 Well, thank you for joining us and welcome to Open Infra Live, the Open Infrastructure Foundation's hour-long interactive show, sharing production case studies, open source demos, industry conversations, and the latest updates from the global Open Infrastructure community. We're live here on Thursdays at 15UTC, streaming on YouTube and LinkedIn and Facebook. My name is Kendall Nelson from the Open Infra Foundation, and I will be your host for the day. So like I mentioned, we are streaming live and we will be saving some time at the end of the episode for a Q&A, so feel free to drop questions into the comments section of wherever you happen to be watching our stream today throughout the show. And then we will answer as many as we can at the very end. Today is a very special episode of Open Infra Live because we're celebrating the 12th birthday of OpenStack. We are joined by Open Infra and OpenStack Day organizers from France, South Korea, Vietnam, and China today to tell us about the last 12 years of OpenStack's growth in their regions. And in addition, we will stay tuned hopefully at the end of the episode for the announcement of the next release name, what comes after Zed. So happy birthday OpenStack and we'll kick things off with Sumayah from the OpenStack and Open Infra group in France to talk about growth over the last 12 years. So welcome. Yes. Hello everyone. I am Sumayah. I belong to OpenStack France user group. I am working at Red Hat. So thank you for joining us for this OpenStack 12th birthday and I represent France experience during these 12 years. So about OpenStack France user group, the group was created in September 2012. The goal was building a community to promote OpenStack in France. So the group has multiple locations, Paris, Lyon, Toulouse, Rennes, and Strasbourg. The main activities are organizing meetups, organizing OpenStack days, organizing workshops, participating to open infrastructure summits, and participating also to first-dominated. So key events. The first one, the first event is our first meetup. It was held in 2012. Second event was the organizing of the OpenStack summit in Paris in 2014. And after that was the OpenStack Day France one. So the first OpenStack Day in France, it was in 2016. And next, the second OpenStack Day France in 2017. And like each, we can see in the schema, we have OpenStack Meetups organization every year. So we can see a lot of meetups every year until 2020, where the appearance of the COVID-19 pandemic. Okay, so some numbers. During the last 12 years, we organized 60 events. About 150 attendees by event. We organized two OpenStack days with around 500 attendees by OpenStack Day. And we achieved 3,000 members in our French user group. Okay, about OpenStack ecosystem in France. So many public organizations use OpenStack to host their private cloud. We have also leader telco operators that rely on OpenStack to build a 4G or 5G networks. Also, we have a lot of universities host learning platforms powered by OpenStack. Société Générale Banque use OpenStack to host its applications. We have a red hat acquired in advance, a leader in OpenStack integration in 2014. And OVH runs a 900 cores OpenStack public cloud and won Super User Award in 2022. So this is for me for OpenStack user group in France, and happy birthday OpenStack. Yeah, I actually had the privilege of being able to attend one of the OpenStack days in France. I think it was the 2017 one. It was a lot of fun. It was great to get to know everybody, but I think I was one of the only English speakers. So it was a little bit of a struggle, but there were a lot of good talks there. So obviously, you participated and hosted a lot of different events. Which type of event do you think has been the most successful, especially in the last few years, things have kind of come to a halt for a lot of groups? Okay. It was the OpenStack days. It was an outstanding event. A lot of participants and a lot of companies sponsorizing the events and making workshops in those events. So the most amazing events were the OpenStack days. Yeah. They have a lot of good energy, much like a summit, but it's nice to have the local group gathered together. And I feel like you always learn about new companies that are using OpenStack at them that you don't learn about at a summit. So that's really exciting. I hope you get to host another one soon, but I guess it's going to be a little bit. Also, thank you so much for about the group in France. So next up, we have Siong Soo from Korea. Hi. Thank you, Kendall. Hi, I'm Siong Soo, an organizer of OpenStack Korea user group. And I'm working for NHN Cloud as a cloud system engineer. Okay. First, let me introduce our user group. So our user group created at February 2011. And it was so fast that our user groups were created the year after OpenStack was introduced to the world. And our user group is mainly active in the Facebook group because the most people are using the Facebook and it is the most accessible. But however, it is difficult for people who don't use Facebook to join our user group. So we are planning to create a website that will allow more people to easily join our user groups. And then we uploaded our every videos such as Meetup and Conference to our YouTube channel. And our activities is very similar to other user groups, but one special activity is the Upstanding Contribution Mentoring Program. The Korean government has created a program called the Open Source Contribution Academy to encourage developer and operator to contribute to the Open Source project. Although there are not many OpenStack core reviewers or core contributors among the organizers of the Korean user group, but we are joining this program to inform many people about the global development culture of OpenStack and give them a way to join the OpenStack community. The next one is the opening platform ecosystem in South Korea. There are many companies use OpenStack and Kubernetes based on their infrastructure. Most of them use OpenStack for private cloud, but some companies provide public cloud based on OpenStack. So since large Korean companies use OpenStack, it is a very good reference for other communities in Korea. And also the SK Telecom, which is the most major telecom company in South Korea, started an open source project called Hano to build an open infrastructure and cloud native computing. As I know, that project is based on the OpenStack Helm and Airship project. And also the Korea government also use OpenStack. The Korea Meteorological Administration uses OpenStack for their IT infrastructure. We started OpenStack days from 2014. So it was an event held in the early days of OpenStack in South Korea, but it was very successful event with over 700 people are attended. And we have successfully held opening holidays online, even when in person events cannot be held due to the COVID-19 in Korea. And finally, we can held an in-person event in Korea. So the opening holidays Korea 2022 will be held in in-person event at November 1st. And we will provide live streaming for some sessions for those unable to join as on in-person event. Also this Saturday, two days later, there are an opening plan and cloud native days 2022 in online. The six and more open communities in Asia are gathered and make this event together. So please join this event from our website. And I hope to see you all on Saturday. Okay, so thank you for listening my talk. And I and the OpenStack Korea user group are welcome anyone who wants to collaborate with the Korea user group. Okay, thank you and happy birthday OpenStack. Yeah, I so I have one question for you before we move on to Vietnam. So obviously you have this open info and cloud native days Asia. What has the Korean user group learned from cross user group events like this? Do you have advice for other groups that might want to organize something like this? Okay, so so as you know, I'm an organizer of Korea Group, but I don't have many opportunities to meet with user groups from other countries. So, even if I went to the open info summit, it is actually difficult to meet unless I actively try to meet the people of the user group. So for me, cross user group event is a link that allows me to easily meet other user group people. So I look forward to collaborating with more local user groups and starting with Asia event. Yeah, awesome. Thank you so much. I think that this sort of event really embodies what the Open Infrastructure Foundation is trying to do, building, you know, cross user group connections, cross community connections to push forward open infrastructure. So efforts like this are exactly what I think the future is going to be focused on. So thank you so much for all of your work organizing things like this. Thank you. Thank you. Awesome. So we've heard from France. We've heard from South Korea. Up next, we have Vietnam with Tuan. Hey, guys. So call me Tuan. My name is Tuan and I'm co-founder of Vietnam Open Infrastructure before this open stack user group. So yeah, so we create the Vietnam Open Infrastructure Group in May 2014, but actually the one of the activities we think about, you know, open stack open infrastructure before that. But officially we established this in May 2014. So the goal for this Open Infrastructure Group is we want to open the community in Vietnam of Open Stack and Open Infrastructure and we want to gather all of the users to join our group to, let's say, expand the knowledge of Open Stack and Open Infrastructure. And the main activities of our group is technical mix-up. Another thing is we organize annual, you know, open the second opening for days. And then we also join the Open Stack submits with some people over there. And then we also have a table workshop with Minas. And we are a member of Vietnam Olympic Subcommittee for all of the students in university in Vietnam. Some numbers I would like to show to all of you are we successfully organized three Vietnam Open Fridays. And the total numbers of attendees were 1,500 of us. And we had more than 80 companies joined it and more than seven countries over the work. We also organized 29 technical mix-up. The whole number of members in our group right now is 5,200 of us. The opening for ecosystem in Vietnam mostly I think happening in the IT area. So we right now have some companies trying to join the public cloud market using Open Stack as foundation. Some telecoms come, you know, cooperation in Vietnam. Just research a little bit. I would like to emphasize a little bit of Open Stack opening Friday because the adaption and adoption of open source, you know, infrastructure for charcoal is not, you know, quite easy to achieve. Then not only the whole infrastructure, but we are trying to put a lot of, you know, open platforms as well. You know, the slides fly so fast. And then our value is we are trying to connect individuals and organizations throughout, you know, open mindset, we put the open mindset on top of everything. And we're trying to promote the acceptance of, you know, open ecosystem in Vietnam. Awesome. Yeah, I think it's good to have your values outlined and kind of give direction to the sorts of events that you want to host. And the four opens are definitely the foundation's methodology for the success of our projects. Open Stack turning 12, I think is like proof point for that. So throughout Vietnam's events, I've actually had the privilege of attending one. It was wonderful. Yeah, it was very exciting. What sort of local growth have you seen around open infrastructure in Vietnam? Oh, do you mean the open, you know, all of the IT groups or just, yeah. So we have, yeah, I mean, so I think, I think why not the open ecosystem in Vietnam is very, what expands rapidly. And we have a lot of, you know, collaborations with other groups. For example, the Cumbia desk group, you know, an open, let's say, what is that, the open platform group in Vietnam's and micro service is so blessed. And I think all of the trends, let's say, trends in IT right now, we have collaboration and we have connection and we, you know, usually create or overnight some technical mix up, you know, together. Awesome. So similar to Korea, the building of bridges between OpenSack and Kubernetes and other adjacent open source communities is where we're growing towards and continuing to build. Cool. Awesome. Well, it's great to see Vietnam continuing to grow and flourish. And I look forward to coming back to another event there at some point. All right. All right. Thank you. Thank you. All right. So we have one more user group left today. And that group is organized by Horace Lee. So take it away, Horace. Hi. Thank you, Kendall. Hi, everyone. This is Horace Lee from China. Yeah. I'm today going to introduce the China community here, what's going on and how it looks like. And hopefully I can share some interesting information or useful information for everyone. So I started with the momentum here originally in China. So we have some surveys that is ongoing to most of either the service providers and users, OpenStack users here. And the result is like over 70% of the OpenStack deployment in China are already in production. And also, yes, OpenStack has grown massively and successfully here used for a lot of industries here. And also 65% of organizations run hybrid cloud here, but the majority run over half of their overall cloud infrastructure on OpenStack, which is also a very significant momentum in this region. Overall, we know around 25 million cores of OpenStack are kind of run in production. But I know last year we have the Million Core Club established and basically China Mobile is one of them. And China Mobile is also one of the largest users of OpenStack. The company itself running six million cores in production. And recently, as I'm aware of, after we announced the Million Core Club in Summit, like the other telco companies here like China Unicom and China Telecom, they also started to apply for joining the Million Core Club as their deployment has reached that scale as well. And regarding the top industries for OpenStack that is used in China is like below, especially like in the academic research area, the energy, finance, IT, and telecom area. I think telecom is one of the biggest industries that have massive deployment of OpenStack. And around community, I think actually, because I have, well, actually I'm, I personally is pretty new to OpenStack. I joined Foundation in 2018 and I started to get in touch with, engage with the OpenStack community in 2015. But as I'm aware of the local community or China community has started to evaluate OpenStack or starting to work with the global community even earlier than 2015. So I don't have those history data in my hands. But still, like even with all these years, the community is still getting mature and also getting more and more diverse and still maintain an active status. Right now, especially with, I think starting with, I can't say it's starting with OpenStack, but starting with like cloud computing open source projects, the whole open source philosophy is getting more and more accepted by the industry or companies, organizations in China. So the overall open source theory is getting very welcome here. A lot of company, even startup companies and some giant companies starting to set up the open source team inside their companies and started to evaluate the global open source technologies and even actively engaged back with either standardization or cloud contribution until looking at the technology evolution. Yes. So the overall, it's very active and also the community is very dynamic because every year there is like new project coming out. There is new technologies that is coming to people's vision and people starting to looking at new technology, what would be the next step. And people kind of like developers and community people also starting to move around and joining multiple communities, which also brings a lot of cross community efforts. Yeah, but that's very typical like current characteristics of China community. OpenStack community is definitely one of the most active and dynamic and diverse community here. Yes. So also as we, oh, sorry, I haven't finished my page. Yes. So WeChat group is also one of the powerful tools and platform that people to communicate with each other. We have different WeChat groups that is covering different projects and covering made up for multiple cities. And also there is like the summit that the WeChat group for summit or WeChat group for a special interest group. And so those people on in the WeChat group, they kind of started to communicate with each other on either technical conversation and some user cases sharing. Regarding the activities here, we have the opening Friday China, which is annual event, one of the biggest one in our community. We have meetups for each quarter that is covering various topics basically proposed by volunteers. And also we have hackathons here twice a year. While these years, we cannot make hackathons happen because of the pandemic kind of restricting the travel here. But we also have the hackathons that have multiple projects, collaborators and people gathered together to calling in two days just to fix inbox and submitting patches to Achim. Also we have the OpenStack WeChat official account, which is kind of an account that is spreading OpenStack news and the user cases and also some technical articles that are written by the local community people. And we have reaching around like 8,000 subscribers this year. And normally for each article we posted, it's basically have around from 100 to over 2,000 reviews. Yes. And also, like I mentioned, like overall, there are multiple communities here around open source technology collaboration. So we also like from OpenStack community, you also do a lot of cross community efforts, like we work with Sissy on the compatibility test that is basically there are a lot of OpenStack user cases landed in China. And also we have multiple service providers of OpenStack. So how those users can use different solutions from different providers, the compatibility test is very much useful or must have tool. And we work with Sissy, which is a local standardization institute that is working on how we can make sure the user can more easily to select the OpenStack distributions from multiple providers. So that was the one. And also recent years, China also have emerged a lot of like Linux distribution communities like OpenOla is one of them and is one of the most successful one. And they do also kind of working with our community and they set up the OpenStack special interest group to make sure OpenStack is running seamlessly on OpenOla Linux distribution. So that was one or two stories that is happened here. So next page, please. Yes. So yes, like I mentioned, China have been engaged with global community and we have started OpenStack community for quite a long time here. And also there is a quite large base of technical developers that is engaged actively with the global community. So China also have a lot of contributions back to the community. Like we have a static static for the last OpenStack release and overall 62 contributors from China help to develop the 24th release of OpenStack. And starting, I think starting from years back, China team or China developers starting to contribute back their components and their project back to the upstream cyborg is kind of before I started getting in touch with OpenStack. But Skyline and Venus, which is Skyline is a dashboard, a new modern dashboard project. And Venus is a log monitoring component for OpenStack. And these two projects just submitted a last year and accepted by the upstream. And yes. So with besides those project and cold submitting back from China contributors, we also have established several SIGs inside the community, including like multi-architecture SIG and financial SIG, which is focused on multi-architecture support and financial requests separately. And meanwhile, this year China Mobile just started up a new working group also focused on computing force network, which is very close with OpenStack and used OpenStack as a base. So this is something that is very refreshed and new that is coming in. So if everyone have interest in this computing force network working group, you can find it out from the openinfo.dev website. And welcome to join this working group and working with China contributors together. Next page please. Yes, thank you. So as I mentioned, OpenInfo Day China is kind of annual event and it's one of the biggest events in local community. So this year we're planning a team of volunteers in China organize this OpenInfo Day China this year and it will be virtual, yeah, certainly because of the pandemic, we're not able to make it in person event, but it will be virtual and it will be in August 5th and 6th and we're about to streaming back the Berlin semi keynote highlights and we will have the local user cases and the user local community updates from on keynote as well. And for the topics that we categorize into five categories, that is, we're covering that we're covering like the OpenStack and the cloud native infrastructure like how OpenStack plus Kubernetes deliver a total cloud native infrastructure solution and we'll focus on 5G computing force network and edge computing. And also there is a category, dedicated talking about open governance, how open source community can be rolled and expanding their ecosystem through an open, a good open governance and also we created a new category this year that is for any new technology, path funding or new vision for the next generation of like cloud computing solutions. Yeah, so those are the category and we also planned two forums on Open Infrared China that is talking about the secure containers and also computing force network. Yeah, so this year the community is getting pretty like back to an active status this year, so we received overall 130 plus technical sessions submitted to this event which is very exciting. Yeah, so yes the page link is there at right bottom corner, so yeah if anyone have interesting learning about Open Infrared China or want to learn more about Open Infrared community in China, you can go to that link or can reach me as well. So I think that's pretty much my introduction of the local user group. I hope it doesn't take too long. No, no, that was great. There's so much information to cover. The open stack and open infrastructure user group in China is so big and like it's awesome, awesome to see all of what you're planning for this year, so obviously it's been very difficult to make events successful the last couple years, pandemic and all that stuff, but it really seems like you've managed to keep the momentum and like change gears a little bit to do virtual events. So what's some advice that you could give to other user group organizers to help them as we continue to navigate the next few months? Yes, thank you for the question. I really would like to share my experience and thought of the event organizing events here, especially starting from this year. Because of this pandemic situation, the travel restriction is really getting back and people are harder and harder to organize the in-person event here. We have to do virtual, but yeah, I learned a lot also like from the foundation like this opening for their life, because I feel like when the volunteers and local community people, when we gather and talk online, people also giving feedback, like generally the virtual event is easily to lose attraction and lose focus for people to listen to. So we're kind of like learning from opening for life, like we're kind of keeping the event short, not making the virtual event too long, like we kind of split the event to be like one session, one time, just to make people so like one hour, no more one hour. So like just days back, we have a live show of talking about we gathered or we invited several OpenStack OG from different regions together to celebrate OpenStack's birthday and it was a one-hour talk show and people seem to be pretty active and interact online with all the speakers and have the focus on it. So that would really make the meetups or the virtual events to be like have more efficiency than making it very long and like the whole afternoon have five, six, seven sessions to be shared together because people generally will just getting a little tired and lose focus after one or two one. So that was my experience and I hope that will be helpful for the other regions organizers. I think that's really good advice, keeping things short and sweet so that the engagement is high, that makes a lot of sense. I think we can all learn from being a little bit more, man, just keeping things short and sweet in general. Awesome, cool. So I do want to invite the rest of the organizers back on camera and we have a couple questions for the whole group, but while you all are coming back on camera, I just want to give a huge thank you to all of you for not only being here today, but all of the work that you put in to organize these events because it's not easy. It's a very difficult job. There's a lot of logistics required and like to keep them going through the pandemic even virtually is so much effort and like can't thank you enough for helping our global community stay vibrant and innovative and moving forward. So thank you so much for all of your hard work. So a couple of questions for whomever wants to answer them. Let's start with like what are some of the current trends in your region around OpenStack? I know some of you have answered this a little bit, but I know AI and ML and 5G are really big topics and we're at the summit in Berlin so maybe some of you can touch on those. Whoever wants to go first to go for it. I can talk about the French part. So the current trends in France, I can talk about telco part because I have the information that some telco operators still use OpenStack to implement their 5G network so they rely on OpenStack using some technologies like a Sariovi or VLAN provider to build their 5G network. Another point is the state public strategy that promotes using open source in general and especially OpenStack for cloud part and also the cloud public in scale like OVH cloud provider. Okay, awesome. Yeah, yeah 5G is alive and well in France. Obviously there are big telcos in every country. I know Vietel is one in Vietnam but I don't know if they're using OpenStack and then SK Telecom is huge in Korea. Yeah, 5G is the future. Everything's at the edge now. Yeah, did anybody else want to talk about AI or ML or 5G in their countries? Well, I have some information from Vietnam about 5G. To be honest, the production of OpenStack or OpenInfrastructure in telco in Vietnam is not popular. They are using OpenStack or OpenInfrastructure in telco but for IT part but for telco part as far as I know they are trying to apply edge computing for 5G. They bought some 5G solution from Edison. Yeah, Edison may sell, I'm not sure about it, may try to sell let's say the Edison cloud, you know, the whole solution which is based on OpenStack. I'm not sure about that, but yeah, but 5G in Vietnam is not really popular right now. It is in commercial but not really popular. Yeah, but AML yes, so we have the solution, we have a cloud provider, the name is FPT smart cloud so they built the cloud solution which is based on OpenStack. They put AI ML solution on top of that. So when they try to sell the services to the customer and they try to sell like AI as a service something like that, AI ML as a service. Cool, that's very cool. I hadn't heard of that company before so it's good to see new and inventive ways that OpenStack is supporting different things, different technologies and stuff. Very cool. Did anybody else want to talk about AI or ML or 5G or should we share a little bit of like the current trending like around OpenStack because yes definitely several companies are still actively evaluating and involving OpenStack technologies and contributing back. So I see this year people getting more talking about like new hardware enabling, I would assume that would be for AI or some, yes motion learning. So the new hardware enabling like DPU, new hardware support, the multi-architecture support like besides the traditional x86 platform support definitely ARM-based platform support is is in a high demand as well. We can see also like I mentioned there are multiple basic Linux distributions available like in local markets so the multiple OS support and how to do multiple OS adoption is also one of the the demand for OpenStack community and this is something we can see here that is happening and the engineers, developers from multiple companies, organizations are working on right now. And also another trend I see or we see from the local community is about how to integrate OpenStack plus Kubernetes to deliver a more thorough solution for hyper cloud that is also another area that a lot of companies are working on. Yeah gotta love OpenStack and Kubernetes together. It's definitely one of my favorite topics and themes which continues to grow around the world. You gotta run your Kubernetes somewhere may as well be OpenStack. So I am curious because I don't know everybody's history. How did each of you personally get started with OpenStack? Maybe we'll start with Siong Soo since you didn't get to answer the previous question. How did you get? Okay so in my case I was wondering how the cloud infrastructure is made and how it works but the studying with the theory was boring so and I really want to see it in action so then I found OpenStack and I shout yeah Eureka because the OpenStack is written in Python and the Python code is very easy to understand and write compared to the other languages. So actually I studied the cloud infrastructure and the cloud system with the OpenStack. So the OpenStack was a very good open source project to study the internal structure of cloud infrastructure and how it works. Yeah I think the way that OpenStack is set up and like broken down into individual services definitely makes it easier to understand how they all work together and like trace through. It's a little bit overwhelming because there are so many different services but if you just look at the base set it definitely gives you an idea of like the inner workings of a cloud and what you need like the basics. So very cool awesome. Who's next? How'd you get into OpenStack? Horace go. I don't want to take too much time I don't want to I really want to leave time for all the other awesome people to share their stories. Yeah so I started with getting in touch with OpenStack in 2015 when I yeah when I when I still work for Intel and we were in the open source technology center and I started to move to the new project like working with the OpenStack developer team and I'm as I was the marketing people so I started to join in the activity organizations and starting to working with other companies for the event. Yes so that was that was the time that I started with OpenStack and then I started to know people and afterwards as I'm like officially kind of being a member of the foundation so I started to work more and closer with all of the companies and I'm kind of taking a new a new role for the community that make me like getting involved the deeper and deeper so yeah very short story. The community definitely is one of my favorite parts about OpenStack. I think it's what we you go for the technology and you stay for the community. Yes but one of the one of the I don't know like one of the my observations of like starting with engaging with the local communities like people here around the community is really really put a lot of emotions and feelings into the community like they're really working together and they they share points they share opinions and they even debating with each other on the certain for example like component or decision inside the community so that's just my personal feeling like I can see people put a lot of emotions to either the community or the project they really yeah yeah so that's that that was yeah that was one of the funding so yeah we're we're really passionate community but we also trust each other and like want to hear the variety of opinions and like the diversity of thought I think is fascinating and especially geographic diversity like we have represented here today pretty well yes yeah um so uh Sumaya how did you? So for me I began working with OpenStack in 2017 in a big state project so to build a private cloud it was a very challenging experience for me so it was an outstanding experience we were a motivated team and we believed in OpenStack so let's say my love story began with this experience with my love story with OpenStack after that I joined the user the French user group and I joined the community and I shared the passion with the community awesome so this is my yeah my story with OpenStack you fell in love with OpenStack just like I did Twan how did you get started with OpenStack? All right so my story started with OpenStack back in 2012 I think so 2012 I did the research about the cloud solution at that time and then 2013 yes I started my my job as senior cloud engineer in Edison cloud so at that time it was a member who built up the Edison cloud environment which is based on OpenStack and at that time it was wow what exactly happened in front of my mind and in front of my eyes as well like that totally awesome solution and it is open source that's what I really really enjoyed it and then you're up to as soon as I continue my career path with Nokia you know cloud solution which is also based on OpenStack and then I moved yeah and then I moved to Red Hat in APEC so I work in Red Hat in APEC you know big name in OpenStack right yeah so my whole story good of OpenStack is you know with the multiple you know giants you know contributors to OpenStack environment awesome yeah I totally understand the loyalty to OpenStack and that it might bring you to a bunch of different companies so that you can keep working on OpenStack but it's really the the best open source community that I've ever worked with I might be a little biased because it's like my first and the biggest one that I've ever worked with but yeah so going back to like focusing on meetups and the events what are some of the biggest challenges that you've faced in your your different regions making the choice of the topic all the time to the challenging point what will be the topic that will attract more people yeah there's so many to choose from like how do you pick yeah yeah sometimes you have a lot of topics and we have to select but sometimes what will be the topic because we don't have we don't have a topic and yeah we spend the time to select yeah but I'm sure that that's definitely difficult programming of the actual event yeah yeah any other things that you know I can share a lot of you know experience from my yeah my side yeah one when we open eyes you know OpenStack meetups or OpenStack you know OpenStack days yeah to be honest to all of you guys like Vietnam we are we uh you know how to say the the adoption of new technology to Vietnam is not really as fast as other countries and when we open eyes to take commissar or we organize uh the open stack of an opening for days we try to bring a lot of information a lot of knowledge a lot of you know experience from outside world to Vietnam and show them hey this is what people are doing in the world yeah open your eyes something like open your eyes and see what people is doing uh the yeah the challenge from from from myself or from my team is how can we invite the uh let's say famous let's say something at famous speakers or distinguished speakers to to Vietnam or they can you know share some information to us it's not an easy thing it's not yeah you know I try my best with my you know connection with my old colleagues in Europe to bring them back to Vietnam and hey please you know as friends could you share some knowledge nothing like that and then um we also try to find the the support yeah in Vietnam as well because you know when when you organize the event about open second people can easily access traction hey what is open stack i never heard about it before yeah and and they just you know use public power providers it's easy it's much more easier for them and then um uh yeah so they are two biggest challenges we we we have to face up and we have to you know song this and I think when I was we are going to to organize the third one in this August and I think when everything is going smoothly since last week is much somehow we have our name in in Vietnam yeah well I hope it's hope it's a success and I definitely uh can vouch for Vietnam being an awesome place to visit great people excellent community for sure all right thank you awesome do anybody else want to talk about challenges that they face with their um meetups and stuff or we're we're getting pretty close to the end of the hour here so oh yes um in my case that there is another challenges in in korea user group so the due to the COVID-19 we have held all our event in online so at first I I didn't know how to do the online broadcasting so to make the broadcasting system I studied the OBS program and made my own the more broadcasting system and now I have to do an in person event and the online at the same time so yes so I had to study and purchasing the broadcasting equipment such as a camera and a microphone yeah so I think I become a youtuber and and and and my my room is becoming a broadcasting station yes awesome something you didn't know you were going to get into as a part of open stack but yeah I would watch your youtube channel so awesome uh Horst did you want to talk about any last second struggles in addition to what everybody else has already talked about uh yeah I just wanted to add something um I don't know if other organizers have the same uh situation like for me like organizing meetups sometimes the location selection is kind of getting a little hard because sometimes especially domestic travel when I mean before even before the pandemic people travel is getting a little like for example like if developers want to join meetup and needs the travel approval from the supervisors from the company so sometimes we can't gather enough developers for a certain city because for example like other people they are interested in our meetup but they are not have travel availability to actually join the event so that would be another challenge for us to like how where we need to organize this in person meetup and how we're gonna like support as many as possible as many developers as possible to join the events to talk face to face so that was yeah that was uh that was the challenge yeah yeah picking a place to get a critical mass of developers or users and operators is no small feat and the foundation even struggles with that on a global scale with the picking locations of summits and the project teams gathering um so that's that's definitely a struggle at all of the levels of our community but maybe maybe siang su can teach you from his broadcast studio how to bring in virtual people a little bit better um yeah nice sharing I mean it's really happy to meet different regions organizers and share experiences so nice learning yeah exactly a different form of open source like you're you're collaborating on how to collaborate in your your areas which is like comically uh I don't know meta thinking but um I do think we have a lot to learn from each other um and I think we are stronger together as a community so yeah unfortunately we are just about out of time here so I want to thank all of you again for attending and sharing your insights and all of the hard work that you do so if anybody watching today is interested in getting involved in a user group in their region go check out meetup.com slash pro slash open in for dev um and also you can keep an eye on openstack.org slash community slash events for updates um when events get planned like we have some already on the schedule from these awesome speakers today uh they get posted there so we're we're happy to help promote anything that's going on um please get involved in your your local user groups especially if you can't attend our global events these these local ones are just as awesome to get to know people and learn about what's going on in our um huge open infra community so um I also want to remind everyone that if you have an idea for a future episode we want to hear from you um submit your ideas at um open infra uh ideas.openinfra.live and maybe we'll see you on a future show so drum roll everybody was waiting to find out what what the next release name is going to be so everybody like do your own drum roll wherever you happen to be sitting so the next open stack release name after zed is antelope wow yeah thank you all for those who participated in the poll and voted for antelope um we'll continue running polls for for future open stack releases um thanks everyone for attending today watching from whatever platform um you happen to be watching the stream but yeah thank you all of you for attending we'll see you on the next episode of open infra live thank you thank you thank you bye bye