 اتصدر are you sure? اتصدر اتصدر اتصدر اتصدر لنذهب لنذهب لنذهب لنذهب هل لديك؟ هل لديك؟ لنذهب لنذهب لنذهب لنذهب أ었ما everytime这ي يسأل شكرا all of them방 meidän كلام يكون لديهم محلقة أكثر من المجردين. وهذا يجب أن يكون لديهم مجردين. سأقول أن هذا جيد، ليس لأن فارق كانت تصميمة، لأن المجرد من إجابة إجابة، إجابة إجابة إجابة ليس لديهم مجردين. يجب أن يكون لديهم مجردين. سأعتقد أنه، في بعض الأمور، في بعض المستخدمة يظهر أن القطر يفعل ماذا يفعل ، حيث أنه لا يوجد مفتاح ، حتى كيف يأخذه ، يمكنك أن ترى أن هذا يأخذ أبدا 10 سنة هناك الكثير من الناس who forgot that Maroc Lawan was still being prosecuted. So that's why the lesson is that we should be patient with the system. Even though the system is said to be corrupt, the system, the legal system, particularly in this country, moves slowly, but many times surely it will get to its destination. If you recall, Maroc Lawan has so much influence. Even though he's not such a very big, start-up person, they have so much influence in national life, particularly in the House of Representatives. In fact, it was at some point called misintegrity. So it shows that with this bribery we take very lightly, it's enough to bring down such a big personality. So we should begin to be very serious in this country knowing that no matter how we run, the House of the Law is long enough to catch criminals. All right, Mr. Prof. Manon Abay, I want us to still speak about the time that this has taken. Like you've mentioned, the judicial system in Nigeria might be a little slow, but it eventually reaches a certain stage. But nine years for one court case, shouldn't that be a problem? And what necessarily would cause a case to run for nine years? And because of the lack of proper investigation into the case, or just continuous adjournment for nine years? Thank you. We often say in legal parlance that justice delayed is justice denied. Now you can take a look at the justice of this case. The sentence concurrently is seven years. They are taking ten years to convict a man to go for seven years imprisonment. So you could see that to that extent justice is not solved. If he was convicted within one year, he would have solved this sentence and moved on. Assuming it does not appeal. Now, one could lead to this delay several factors. And those are the issues in our criminal justice system. One, it could come from the lawyers asking for adjournment. Now that. Two, it could come from Jusson. If Jusson was on strike today, he would have been known conviction as an artist today. It could come from infrastructure. Maybe the prosecution was not ready. There was no vehicle. There was no light. There was public holiday and all that. It could come from the witnesses. Maybe they were not available. Remember that the witness in this case is a personality too. It may not be available every time. It could come from the bench. In which case, vacations. Maybe the courts, this is so full that day. And then the matter is adjourned. It can also come from the transfer of judges. Even the matter has been parted. And then there's the reshuffling of the courts. Then the case will begin fresh to begin the novel. But also if there's a mix between investigation and prosecution. Even conviction will be difficult. So these are the issues. We should begin to look at going forward. Our criminal trial being timed. Well, the Admission of Criminal Justice Act had tried to address some of these issues I've raised. But the impact has been reduced. We're not getting the full impact of the Admission of Criminal Justice Act because of the practitioners. The stakeholder. Don't flow in the spirit of the ACG. However, we are at least happy that after 10 years this case can be concluded. But then I will sound a word of caution that it should not be only for Rukola Wan. There are many other trials that have started or have started or have missed them. But it is important that we don't wait to spend 10 years to conclude a case whose sentence is 7 years. It's not good enough. Okay. Prof. Adonaba, I wanted to ask you what the options would be for Rukola Wan regarding this case. Because he's argued that he was not able to produce the call log between himself and Otodola when he allegedly asked for bribe. He went on to say that he wanted to collect the money just to teach other oil companies a lesson and things like that. So what do you think would be his options or defense if he wants to appeal that he was baited seeing that the DSS has already planted cameras and mapped the notes? Is that even likely to happen? Well, I'm not in his legal team. He should study the judgment closely before they appeal. It's also unprofessional to appeal just because he wants to appeal. Before you appeal, you should ensure that it is underscored in hard law and facts. Not just appealing. And that is part of the delays you see. What you see often is for parties to continue to appeal whether they have good plans of appeal or not. I'm not going to advise Farouk on camera, but his legal team should do a thorough before they appeal. That is what I could say now. He has the right of appeal. He has 90 days by the Constitution. He also has the right of a well asking for bail, but now the presumption of innocence is gone. It's no longer innocent. It's a conflict. The bail condition will be more difficult and strict. That is what the legal system says. So he has the right of appeal and ask for bail, then appeal. The cutoff appeal is often first in deciding appeals, criminal appeals. If they decide to appeal in a year, they should be able to get an appeal heard. I also want to speak about what the next 7 years would be like for Farouk Lawan. I'm sure you've been in the system for decades. Will the next 7 years be like for him? Seeing our correctional system and the state? The computation of years may not be the 7 literal years of 365 days. The prison for the Corruption Service and the law has a way of calculating it. It's not easy to be in detention for a year, but declared for a person of that stature in national life. But every crime has a penalty. I've been now being convicted for 7 years, and that's it. And also some of the things that you have mentioned before, I know you already stated that the Administration of Criminal Justice Act should be able to fix some of these challenges. Is there any ones that maybe the NBA itself can start to act on, to ensure that it doesn't take 10 years to secure a conviction like this? There have been several seminars several communiques until just a month ago I was chairman of the NBA section on Public Interest and Development Law. NBA has won quite a lot, but the NBA is the bar. There are many others because of the benches there I kept long earlier the parties the witnesses and all that we should determine in this country to make things work where we do a lot more on talking talk shop nothing is done. Now what are the conditions of studies of the bench that have just gone on strike? What is the link between prosecution and an investigation? I would imagine that a criminal trial should not last more than six months. What is it? Before you bring an accused to court you should have done your investigation. So political cases should go away from our legal system. You look at many other countries before they arrest a person they have done thorough investigative work. The evidence is ready. Why don't we our criminal trials are supposed to go from there today? Why don't we block off a month for trial and go from there today and conclude the trial? After ten years how easy is it to analyze evidence in writing even judgment after ten years? So those are the issues many times those will arise for the appellate court to overturn the judgment you can recall about some judgments where in the course of it because of the trial the judge have been elevated and based on that a conviction is washed those are the issues Alright Yes, Prof. Ananaba Lastly from me How does the law look at the person of Oterola right now? Is it as a whistle-blower because he is saying that Farouk Lawan had demanded the bribe from him So is he looked upon as a whistle-blower and is this something you would recommend for others to do? That if for example a politician or someone in high place demand a bribe from them Do you think this is something they should do involve the security agencies the DSS set up cameras like this so that the issue could be prosecuted? Well the whistle-blower system and the rules are there so that is given but I'm not going to comment on at all It is a prosecution that determines who to prosecute It is the power of prosecution residing in that state or the federation Now if the prosecution has taken that decision it has taken that decision It doesn't mean that as a precedent based on this case as to what somebody should do but we should be patriotic in Nigeria every security system to apprehend criminals That's the best I can say and daily the prosecution system the security system requires a cooperation of Nigeria and for the purposes of cracking crime and prosecuting crime such should be done In this particular case I'm not going to comment directly I'm going to say that the prosecution took that decision and I've been taking that decision It was not faulted successfully in the court so that trial has come to an end What can now happen is an appellate here in Yves the convict resource to it Okay I think I'll finally just ask I'm not sure if you can comment on this but I'll try Is there any similarities you can draw between this case and the case of the kind of state governor who was also seen on video allegedly receiving bribe Now that's what I was saying that a criminal prosecution is crime against the state but the state decides what to do the kind of state governor you're talking about is has immunity so we can't even talk about it so that is out of the way you can prosecute him even if you want so there's no business to talk about it Thank you So hopefully after his tenure as governor it might spring up again Well thank you very much Don't explain say that again criminal complaints don't explain there's no statute of limitation so you can prosecute a crime committed 10 years and go 20 years Okay Prof. Anaraba Thank you very much for joining us this morning and for speaking with us Thank you Alright Stay with us here on PLOS TV Africa We're moving away from Farouk Lawan to Farouk This time the new chief of army staff and of course the expectations now that he has been confirmed We'll talk about that after the short break