 So we have been doing some work to try with the administration to try to get a presentation about the transition on pieces, child care and all of that. And we've been going back and I've been going back and forth and me and Brian with Kendall and tape Brooks. And to try to settle on a time. I'm pushing for a time on Tuesday. They've said Thursday, I pushed back this morning. By the end of today, I should have a time. So we would do something. Hopefully we can do something with the administration with all their different pieces to get a full presentation. And we would invite the whole Senate to participate in that if from if we can get that put together. So one of the things that we would talk about Monday morning as a side to our list, because I, we're going to encourage you all to work on the list over the weekend is that we'll talk about what are the pieces in that presentation from the administration. We'll have a good idea of what they plan on doing. And if there's holes in that, we'll want to talk about that and make a request that they're able to pull together better information. So, you know, we'll get the money stuff from Jane today and then the administration, hopefully early next week. Sounds good. So Jane, I don't see the other members. You want to start Brian or Yeah, sure. So as folks know, we've asked Senator Kitchell to come in to talk to us and give us a sense of fiscal realities as we take a look at these transition costs that the pro tem asked us to to do. So as we've received these lists from committee chairs, you know, we all I think have noticed the lists have been long they've been extensive. We've heard from constituents as well that and advocates that they are concerned with a range of things as we transition back to some level of equilibrium in the state. So we asked Senator Kitchell to give us just a sense of, you know, dollars and in the reality of what we may and may not be able to do. So with that, I will turn it over unless rich Senator Westman wants to mention anything else I'll send turn it over to Senator Kitchell. Thank you Jane. Well thanks for asking me what a way to start the day with money. So there's good news and there's bad news. The bad news is our general fund revenue situation is extremely serious. I don't think we can impress on people enough that the revenue impact for the last quarter of this fiscal year, and in 21 is very significant. In the last quarter of this year, we're putting together the budget adjustment now and that's, that's not too difficult. But the right now the estimates for revenue reductions from Tom Covet is a total of $430 million. So, when you look at that it, there's the major pieces would be the general fund, which is 266 million down. 152 and education, 1113 million. And so ways and means has been working diligently to think of how to mitigate that loss because the revenue stream into the state Ed fund have a greatly impacted and because their sales sales tax all the sales tax now goes in. So the 25% of rooms and meals so if you look at the hospitality and that area of economic sector. It's really been hammered, and purchase and use a third of the purchase and use on cars goes in as well all the lottery goes in so people think that it's only property taxes that are significant other revenues but those revenues have have really experienced significant decline, both in terms of those that flow into the Ed fund and those that flow into the general fund. So if anyone is thinking about how we can use more general fund, we need to figure out how do we close a gap of $266 million. So that is just the fiscal reality on the state level that that that obviously is not good news, the bad. So I'll go to the good news, but it's tinge and that is we know that we have the 1.25 billion Corona Relief Fund grant. That grant, in fact, cannot be used to help us with those revenue losses. It's got to be with costs. So, to get relief on that on the revenue side, we're hoping that maybe Congress will take further action and provide some additional relief that doesn't come with these strings. And this is not just the state level you're going to be hearing from towns and municipalities and the big thing is because they're experiencing a revenue impact sometimes it's property taxes that people won't be able to pay. But I'll Brian down in your area I don't know rich in your area, certainly in Burlington, any particularly resort towns they have local option taxes. So if you look at what they are rooms and meals and sales. So some of these municipalities are going to not only have maybe higher costs, but also are going to be experiencing a real impact on revenues simply because of that local option revenue stream impacted. So, to me, our challenge is how we take the 1.25 and use it in the most strategic way we can ways we can. I think that we have short term emergency needs and the joint fiscal committee and if you haven't seen it. I'm, I'm sure it's been sent out lays out how we have authorized almost 170 million of that 1.2. And a lot of it is certainly in the healthcare arena for healthcare providers but certainly childcare public health setting up emergency operation system and the list goes on. So I want to let you know that if you haven't seen it will give you some sense. In addition, we already have authorized the essential worker bill which would appropriate another 60 million for those grants that would go out under that program which is still in the house at this point in the budget adjustment. We're also taking some of that Corona relief money into an area that we already have had a lot of discussion about and that's the state college system and the University of Vermont they both are having to refund Roman board. So the budget adjustment uses some of the Corona relief money to address those associated costs. We also know that we're going to have costs with the legislature. We're going to be meeting longer than normal and so where there is 750,000 to how we can support our work as we deal with so many unknowns out into the future. And then another area and this gets into certainly I view it as transition planning and that is the judiciary 4.9 million. And because they recognize the way in which they serve the public, they've got to modify how to make jury trials safe, for example. Another part is just like anticipating the surge in healthcare. There's, there's going to be a big surge, because there's a backlog of cases because the court's been shut down. And so how do they accommodate that workload and what strategies they have to start up. And so there'll be money for judiciary, the courts, but also with the associated other systems, including states attorneys and the defender general. And I'm, and I believe that there's going to be a quest in there for domestic violence services. So that just gives you some sense of out of that 1.2. But that leaves, you know, a significant amount of funding. One of the challenges and I think, you know, you're going to be looking at this. And that is so much of what we're getting is coming down ad hoc. Every group is saying, give me 10 million, give me 15 and I, you know, I deserve it and I'll do great things. I don't mean to minimize it, but I think it gets back to Tim's concern. And that is, we need to be thinking about systems in a broader way than just, you know, this particular piece. And oftentimes, it's very easy when you've got people that are very well organized or they've got advocacy or they've got, you know, paid lobbyists, but that, but we can't forget that that may not that there may be really important parts that we need to address and think about in a systems way. And to me, one of the parallels that we can take some experience with and that's the essential worker program. Some workers had people they're lobbying and they've gotten money the state police have, you know, state some state employees, the DA, but who's they're lobbying for the retail clerk, you know, checking out the groceries. So that's what I'm saying in terms of trying to be sure that when we're looking at things and where we want to make investments to not just not do it in an ad hoc way but how does this fit into a longer term goal. From my perspective, I'm hoping that we can really focus on how we spend the money to get that longer term benefit. And I'll give you an example broadband. Now, practically every committee has had some discussion on connectivity health and welfare is headed as it relates to telemedicine, education is headed as it relates to education for kids or even obviously for higher education. We know from the state economists that broadband is probably the best strategy for economic development, there is. All of these areas, in fact, transcend multiple committees. And how do you put together a response and how do you put your funding together in the most strategic way. And I think reflecting on era would suggest that that was probably not as effective or people didn't think that it worked out and some of it wasn't our fault as well some of it was how the federal money came down. But that's what I'm hoping that we can start thinking about is, well, what does this request fit into, how does it contribute to an agreed upon or articulated goal policy goal or programmatic goal. And I'll just let you know that I, it's been very difficult as chair of appropriations on the broadband front, the front, because it is such a crucial need. And we're all beneficiaries of comments public services come in with their plan, then we're getting comments from the public we're also getting comments from people who have a self interest and what that outcome is. And so, how do we as legislators have the independence and the expertise that we need to help us make sound decisions. So in that case, and this will tie into one of the appropriations request in the budget adjustment for the legislature is to help us to do as we've done in other areas to hire that outside independent expertise to help us bet the comments bet the proposals, help us think about if you've got between here in December. How do you spend that money, how do you do it in the most efficient way, how do you do it so it moves you forward and then incrementally so if you had X amount, this is what you could get this is how you want to invest it. You know that that we're getting us that resource to help, because all of the committees have spent hours, but how do we take a lot of that testimony and translate it into what is a sound investment and a sound plan. So, my plea to all, all, all committees is to think about those requests those decisions and in them, and it's connected away as we can, because historically it's been individual advocacy for something. And I don't need to go through. And I also think as you look at. The trends tell us as well. And I'm very interested in. Maybe some of what we've done in the past needs to be jettisoned. And that's tough, because usually every area of spending's got somebody advocating for it. But I'll give you an example I don't have an opinion on it, but we've been really thinking about demographics and how we attract people to Vermont. But according to a New York Times article and what I'm hearing from some local real estate agents that in fact all of a sudden coming to Vermont is viewed as an attractive decision, and that we are seeing in migration, or people are able to work remotely and feel uncomfortable. So, what is it, what are those trends, what are the data show us. In fact, maybe what we thought we needed to do to attract people. Mother Nature may have done in a very difficult way but so that's the other thing to think about is is what are those trends, and how do we make investments that are as long term as we can. People are just short term holding things together. But you know we're also concerned. We talked about it for example our long term care system. And we have had a lot of focus and we've done a lot on the mental health and the DS side. It's not perfect, but we, I would say that if there's anything that has not had a lot of attention, it's our long term care, and how we keep people in their communities and so our adult days are shut down. How do we, how do we make sure that that critical component of long term care that support people in their homes, some is continues and is able to provide services so as an example of looking at that long term care system and what pieces are going to have to be addressed as we move out of where we are. So that's that's sort of my, my thinking as it relates to the money. So 1.2 sounds like a lot but you start chunking it out. Oh, Brian, I love your cat. What's your cat's name. I have to that's Joe junior Joe seniors in the other room. Joe and Joe, Joe senior and Joe junior yeah very original. I think a lot of senators seem to have cats we've seen them, you know in the background, we have a we have a black lab around here too. Oh my gosh you have a menagerie. I have other things that are not in the budget adjustment but I'll throw it out here, and that is, and our has come in with a $2 million request that obviously if we're going to get the parks up and so forth we've got to have, we've got to have public toilets and we've got to have a more aggressive public health. EMS funding is another area that we know and that gets into the into the frontline services and additional cost to higher ed so we're in the process of considering that now. I think that ag has been looking at something that's quite immediate and that's spring planting. We haven't made a decision about should that go as a separate bill. Some things are going separately. So, I just want to say, you know, if we, if we are looking at how we move forward, we have budget adjustment which is moving out fairly quickly, hopefully by the end of this coming week. So we're calling our quarter budget or instead of a big bill it's a little bill, because we can't really build a full year budget with revenues as fluid and unpredictable. And then we have our joint fiscal structure that can do, excuse me, approve expenditures. And then as a third wave, if we have to, I'll just say our priority is to use the appropriations process. The other thing to is trying to make sure that people, and it's hard because we're getting hit with so much information, but we did send out sort of that simplified this is what's happening with revenues, which is pretty simple. This is all what it adds up to. And we did have the list of all the approved expenditures that the joint fiscal committee did, but if you don't have them, we can obviously get them to you. So that, that's where we are, how we do the short term with the budget adjustment, and then those longer term, where we have a bit more time to put together, get the data, which we can do as part of the 21 budget process, or we can do it. If we'd be outside that through the joint fiscal process. So I hope that's helpful information. So, so, Jane, I just, because this is the transition group, and we're talking about that and Brian and I have had some conversations and that kind of what we're going to be doing is as things open up. How are we helpful in the reopening and getting back to some degree of what might be the new normal. Okay, that's why I gave you judiciary as an example. Yep, they're going to start up they're going to start up with a real built up workload. They also are using automation. With, which some of times has been a little controversial but nevertheless, the way in which they do their work so to me that's an example of anticipating to start up what it's going to take. Where we didn't do a good job, I think is on UI we had a wonderful plan for the healthcare surge, but nothing on the UI side. So that's what I'm thinking as you're looking at. Judiciary is an example but only one of a variety you're probably looking at. But I'm thinking, you know, helping people go back to work, helping businesses open, you know, we know that restaurants in the tourist business is all been shut down. And a lot of what might go on is probably mid summer type things so that first quarter budget will probably have a lot of things that will deal with openings in it, as it relates to the federal money. And the federal money will be able to be used for some of that. Correct. Yes, and that's why I'm asking where we have the opportunities is with the federal money. So that's to me where we have choices to be made in terms of how we get that right balance in terms of long term. I'll give another and you know I view it as long term investment. We know our kids, a lot of kids don't learn well by remote learning. They're also in homes that don't have the books they don't have the enrichment some of them don't even have the internet. And we're going to have kids coming back. Next fall that are we're going that will require remediation. So that to me is another example of how much would we say should be set aside to address those additional anticipated costs that we will be experiencing out in the future so that's an example of using the education through 12. In terms of business, I, I'm not sure what the administration is proposing I think this is going to be difficult and that is how do you pick the winners and losers. Who's going to be in who's going to be out. And I'm particularly sensitive to that because the essential worker, which I'm chairing that committee was an interesting process but unless you want to give something to everybody, then it'll be very little, or you will have to use all your 1.2 billion and you can't do anything else other than immediate relief, or you have to set criteria. And so I think the administration is going to be coming forward with a proposal as it relates to the business sector, who will be included what will be the conditions, etc. I think we'll all have to understand better and and either say that doesn't make sense or you know this parameter isn't right but that's another the startup of our businesses I imagine most restaurants haven't got much food, for example to start out and provide their, you know, until their income comes in. On the other hand, I'll tell you I had a man who called me and he, he, his business is rentals. Housing rentals, housing rentals, and he has about 40 units. He has, he works closely with our community action agency and housing meeting housing needs Department of Corrections. Right now, and his housing includes heat and utilities hit about 25% of his tenants are not paying. So he's incurring the heat he's incurring the utilities is foregoing revenue. He said in yesterday, or two days ago, he had a call from both corrections and from community action, asking for, you know, housing. So, there are collateral impacts in terms of businesses that we may not think of, as it relates to the shutdown, or the, the action delaying sort of the eviction process so that's what we're going to have to really take a look at in terms of any proposals is how you want to set those parameters and the extent to which and I hate using the term but it is like essential workers somebody said well if I earn $26 that's not fair. Well the minute you put in a parameter, you put in a criteria. And it's going to be just a bit over whether we're talking about housing subsidy higher ed you name it. And that is hard because at some point you say, this is the right balance between the resources and who's in who qualifies in the condition so I think those are. Those are considerations that this committee is going to have to think about when that proposal comes in. So, Debbie had a question. Yeah, I actually have two questions so it's very helpful Jane thanks. But the 1.25 billion isn't the only source of federal money right I mean that there have been three bills so far and then there's a fourth one they're talking about. So, I imagine it must be a mammoth task to to juggle, you know, all these different sources but can we get some information about like I know some of the health care expenses were covered in one bill. Well, we health and welfare talk to the Commissioner, who talked about FEMA money for broadband, which would be separate from the 1.25 billion that you know she might be able to add in. Is there a way for us to sort of see all these different sources. Well, yeah, we can I can try to get it out to you FEMA we don't know the FEMA it's not as though it's a grant it has to be and it's matched requires a 25% match. So, from a safe perspective, we want to use the COVID all federal dollars. Unless, and we're trying to get permission to use the 1.2 as a match for the FEMA but that has yet to be determined. So, that those are the kinds of financial examinations that are going on and also discussions around, you know, permissible use, because that and it's very interesting if you want it you say it's permissible if you don't want somebody to use it, then you're saying well we don't think it is permissible and we're kind of getting some of that as well so where joint fiscal is working hard to, you know, talk with Treasury to talk with other states talk with NCSL. But yes, there is additional money coming down. For example, FQHC has got about 9 million hospitals have been getting money through HRSA. So we can provide that. But that, but that's within the short term. So my, and oftentimes it's really what is it more prescriptive the 1.2 gives you more flexibility within certain constraints, the big money that came in with the second congressional bill COVID to I guess you could call it was the increase in the federal Medicaid match, and that frankly helped us close fiscal 20 imbalance. So that is there. We can get you that information if you want and I'm surprised health and welfare has been taking so much testimony, but in terms of the money. We can, we can get that out to you, because some of it's gone out and grant some of it's gone out and Medicaid loans it's really complicated so I don't know for the purposes of this committee. How, how you want to look at that in terms of your goal from how do you transition from where where we are. But I'm sorry Debbie did you have a second question. I did sorry. So yeah just the other piece is, you know how much, how much control does the legislature have over, you know, like 1.25 billion versus you know the administration. And I mean is that sort of an ongoing discussion. No, I think we resolve that with the motion that we pass and with the acceptance of the grant, which was a topic of discussion, how much flexibility and freedom. Do we really need because, in fact, a lot of that one point. One 170 million had to be moved out very quickly. You know we had to give relief to keep the retreat operational. We had to move money this spring field, we move money out to hospitals to providers etc so in joint fiscal we identified a certain amount that was recognized you needed to be nimble, and it had to be moved and, and, and we understood that the next group is where we're going to try we will appropriate. So our preference is to use the appropriations process, but there may be times, for example, if we want to move some of that money out and it has to be spent by December 30. It's not just obligated it's you have to have whatever it is in hand. So it's not as though you can dump some money to a third party so to speak. And we may have to move some out through that joint fiscal process but that will be done with the knowledge of all the legislators in terms of what is being proposed. So we will use the appropriations process whenever we can that that's our operating principle, and the, and we articulated that when we accepted the grant at by joint fiscal. Was it last week, Richie. Last week, the beginning last week. Yeah. We could go. Yeah, we could go Monday we made the first move. So my question has to do with a little bit more. I'm looking for a little more information on broadband. If we keep talking about it in finance as well. You mentioned that there's a possibility of hiring an organization or individual to sort of assess the situation to give us some, some direction and that has that idea hasn't come up yet in finance. I'm wondering if you could say a little bit more about that. Well, it's something that I've talked to the chair. I've also had some discussion with the pro tem to because it's really an issue that unlike the house where they've got a technology committee and they're working full time and very focused on it. Finance doesn't have that luxury, because you've got such a broad scope of jurisdiction. So this is something that we've, we haven't hired the consultant we're in the process of doing it but I just wanted to share that with you, and I was going to brief the actually you're getting it a little ahead of center Cummings, because we're going to talk about it at our meeting at noon in terms of where we are. It's something that we've done in the past. We did it for prison health. We did it for issues how do you get around it that kind of no it makes perfect sense. I'm really grateful for it. I was just curious in terms of timing and, and do you have a sense Jane if this will this be focused on on spots where we would invest money geographically that sort of thing or I'm not. I don't think we're that prescriptive. I think we'll take the data, we'll look at where we have significant issues will look at what we have in structures in place we have those CUDs that are now based. Yeah, they can help us look at that public service proposal. Yeah, which either some people say is good and other people you know the from comments have been critical. I'm not in a position to evaluate the merits of either argument. We've had responses from providers. And so they're having someone with that understanding of the background in terms of who who it's sort of if you're not at the table you're on the menu so to speak. And so many people are there, you know, representing their best interests, but that may not be what's in our overall best interest so it helps us get that independent examination, either validating the report and the proposal, or where it could be expanded, where you would be the most strategic where you could move the money out quickly and in the best way, because it's got to be spent by December 30. So that's, we would that resource would be available to committees, what I'm saying to finance to help give that kind of comment back. So that's crucial for any of us who are deciding where money is to be spent. We need to have some confidence that that this is the best use, and the most effective direction for anything that gets appropriated. Okay, thanks. Yeah, thank you. And thanks Jane this is helpful. I just wanted to make sure I understood the consultant person that your people that you're talking about or is it specific to the broadband issue or is it broader than that. Right now it's going to be broadband. We have asked because I'm sitting with two other related issues. One is public access television. And there's a bill that came over from finance for 100,000 to study because the committee last summer couldn't come up with anything. And then the other is the need for a 10 year telecommunications plan. So that is, from my perspective, the challenges that come in separately, should we be looking at those needs as part of a package and how to proceed. So those are two other, in my mind related where we have a separate bills. And, and I'm like, Jay should, in fact, when we're looking at connectivity, or we're looking at, for example, public access is saying they've been doing a lot with education to support public education. So where does that fit in. And so I think, from my perspective, we excuse me could get some help in terms of how they fit in, or where they fit in, or how they can be financed or do we look at them as as components so to speak of. Right. That makes sense. So it's brought it's, it's technology broadly speaking, the big network technology. And you're right about public access they have been doing a lot with schools as has public television. They have a whole program that they've been using for remote education so that might be something to consider in that package but that's good to hear my other question as I'm thinking about the education area is, would it be helpful or appropriate for us to have, you know, as we come up with things that are going to need to be addressed in the transition that we try to come up with a dollar amount that we think makes sense, or would you prefer that we just tell you this is an issue that needs to be dealt with with a dollar amount what what, how do you want to come up with the, what is what do you see our role is in trying to figure out how much money to try to allocate to each issue. Do you know what I mean, I do and that's going to be the challenge because sometimes it's better to say what you think would be the desirable and then we we move down based on what we have for spending. I would think agency of education is going to be critical to say look, this is our estimate out of the universe of kids we think this percentage. Overall, you're going to have the distribution obviously will be different from region to region is what what we estimate those additional costs will be to do the educational remediation and whatever needs. So I think putting an estimate. For different options is is helpful. Okay, it doesn't guarantee anything, but it also gives you some perspective of, well, do we want to obligate half of our CRF for this particular initiative and so it gives you some sense of sort of proportionality as well. And another question in education came up yesterday actually in the Senate Education Committee that I've been mulling a lot is where we were talking about school construction. There's a bill in the house that, you know, was pre COVID so it's we're talking about how we can change it to to address emergency facility needs in schools. One of the big issues is ventilation systems. We have school buildings filled with kids that don't have good ventilation that's just a breeding ground for transmitting the virus. So we were thinking about trying to identify these emergency areas where a school ventilation system should probably be replaced this summer before kids get back in the building and teachers get back in the building and I'm wondering in terms of timing is that that kind of thing if we determine that's a priority for the legislature is possible in terms of timing. Yeah, it would be the question is what mechanism we use. As I said, once we pass the BAA we're down to the little bill or through through the joint fiscal approval process. But I don't have an idea, you know, I mean when you think about the estimates on the lead that was excruciating to come up with those figures. Right, and we haven't even started to do that research that just came up yesterday and I've been thinking about it overnight. Unfortunately. Yeah, so that that would be. I would think that that would be a premise the same as the modifications to our courthouses to provide a level of safety to the public and to jurors and staff. Yeah, we thought it was related, given that the ventilation is a big issue with the transmission of the disease. So, and the other thing that we have some discretion on to. What we're going to do with if something could be done through FEMA in other words, this and this is yet to be determined if in fact the needs exceed the 1.25. So we use FEMA money. In addition, which of these needs, in fact, could be funded through that revenue, but that's, you know, that's the kind of stuff we do routinely, when we're looking at available funding. And whether that would qualify under FEMA or not, it might. I'm not sure, but those are the kinds of things we'll have to say gee we're in first intent was to use CRF but because we've obligated it, we're going to move these allowable costs over the FEMA bucket. So those are, those are yet to be determined. And we're writing everything out to give us the flexibility to do those kinds of, you know, reallocations. Anything else? Alice, do you have something or Anthony. Just on that last piece we discussed here. I saw in Germany in the New York Times a picture of a school, all the interior doors open, the outside windows open, and they told people for sweaters and coats because it's going to be a little chilly in here. I think that's a real issue. Yeah, I think that's a real issue. It, it, the, the circulation of air and the sharing of, you know, droplets. And, and probably to some extent you could blow through every bit of money just on these modifications so that gets into that debate around how you want to allocate and what needs and at what level. Some of it, of course you can. Modifications to sometimes if it's not a lot sometimes schools have reserved sometimes they will just bond for it as part of their budget. So a lot depends on the school. Anything else. Anthony, did you have something. Not really just a very sobering way to start the day. No. So, so let me just do a little. The place we should look for transition is mostly around the federal money. And they'll probably be either work with the Joint Fiscal Committee, or the first quarter budget that comes out is an area that we might be able to be helpful. And I think what I would say to you in and in those is I hear there's, because I know we don't want to do anything that a standing committee is going to do in this committee. But if there's room on in around issues like broadband that in and in appropriations would like help. And I heard some discussion about the administration may have a big business proposal coming out. If we can be helpful in vetting those, let us know. You know the one thing that I would say, as we move down this road, and all I can think of is john newer everything is hitched everything else. And so much of what we're talking about transcend multiple committees. Usually, in so many cases, the ultimate stop is, as I say the corner suite because that's where the money has to be decided on, but think about these issues, because the committees of you may have multiple areas of jurisdiction. At some point, some entity has to bring that together. And it seems to me maybe that that's what your committee is designed to do is to take those disparate pieces or discussions that are occurring in multiple places, and thinking about how you put them together. As you make recommendations. Well, what I would say is if we can be helpful in that process and you in and in the money committees, see us see a role for us. Let us know. Well, don't worry you're on the money committee as is Alice. I understand that but I think in the over. And as I listened to you on the broadband piece. I think there is a role that we could play in that broadband piece if, if it makes sense, because finance is so busy. I don't think they can cover it all. And I guess the other thing that happens to is that in the course of committee work you take testimony, but at some point you've got to translate that into action. What that should look like, and it's going to look like, you know, I mean it's going to be every discussion is going to be a little different focus but at some point you have to put it together. And so broadband is an example as I said, or connect connectivity is really is an example it probably transcends every committee. So, and people are every committee is looking at it from their perspective whether it's the telemedicine for example or remote learning for kids to economic development etc. So just because it doesn't fit neatly. You know, we've got to, we, we've got to start thinking beyond and it's, it's difficult because committee jurisdiction is a precious thing, and you can have it all disorganized but at some point, you have to bring it together that's why I like appropriations because you can see it coming together, or try to bring it together. But when you're developing policy. Think about, think about how you do it with these multiple committees involvement in discussion and how to take that testimony and translate it into some recommendations for action. Anthony, you know, Oh, good, good. You have a beautiful plan is that a geranium in the back there. Yep. Oh, actually most of the plans went outside this morning. Otherwise there'd be a lot more in here. Finally warmed up it's rainy but it's going to be like close to 70 degrees today. I know I know my son drove when he drove in last night he called he said I can't believe there's snow on the backside of my house so I'm ready for the 70 degree. So, and you've got two members of your committee on appropriations Brian you've got someone on your finance so I think you can between the health and welfare and ag and add seems like you've got really good connecting points. That's one advantage I think we have in the Senate is the smallness and being on multiple committees kind of brings information together. Pretty efficiently. Thank you so much this has been very helpful I don't think anybody else have anything else before we all run to our 830s. What a way to start the day. Very helpful. I have one comment and it's more of a question for Brian and Richie but if there are areas just in listening to Jane I was thinking of other areas that we may not have covered. For example, libraries, which is covered in the Education Committee and, and I haven't really checked in too much with libraries but wondering if I should add them into my list, just to see what the impact has been. I don't want to close but, and then another that I've already that I early on put on Jane's list is arts organizations. They've been really devastated because they had to close so early in this and will not be able to reopen for a really long time. That is such a part of our tourism and cultural life here, especially in a lot of small towns. And, and obviously Burlington but just wanting to make sure we don't forget about them and I didn't, I don't remember if they were on anybody's list. I think Monday morning when at 730 when we go when we fill out that list. Look at what Luke sent out and, and, and we're going to list down more so I guess I encourage you think long term and short term and sometimes you get wrapped up with the immediacy right now but look, I think we've got some opportunities here and we need to keep our eye on though, you know, the long term. Thanks. Thank you very much. Thank you, Jane. Thank you, everybody. Awesome Monday. If you have any questions or whatever, you know, please or if you think I've tried to get information but if there's something you need, just shoot me an email and we'll try to get it to you. Great. I could cut off my head and send it out. But then you'd find it's an empty vessel and then you would be very disappointed it would be like the wizard or boss. So, um, the other. Thanks. Later. Bye. As soon as you hear information back from the administration about putting together some transition presentation from them. We'll get that information right out to you. And I'm hoping that that's Tuesday. And Richie, since we're what I'm sure you've heard a lot of concerns from early childhood. Community and is that going to be covered? You know, what, what. In the conversations. Every time I've talked to them, I said, we need to talk about, you know, the childcare piece and you need to have somebody from DCF there. Yeah, okay. Because, you know, two weeks before they're supposed to open and they just are freaking out and right now. Well, you got, you got, um, I forwarded the email and, and I haven't got an adequate response back from that yet. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Great. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you everybody.