 The first one is a hearing, and actually, it's pretty much a hearing in three parts. The first of which will be a hearing to reopen the special permit for 1398 to 1406 Mass Ave to amend the parking requirements, so on. So I think we'll take that one first. This is with respect to the, actually, two buildings in the Heights. We're going to hear three different hearings, more two buildings in the Heights down across from the bus depot. And there might be some overflow between the things as we go through. I think, in the end, we'll be voting with respect to the hearings separately. But I think that you may be talking amongst each one of them. So we'll open the first one first. So that's the hearing to reopen the special permit for 1398 to 1406 Mass Ave to amend the parking. And I think we've got a, Mr. Kishon, if you would come forward. Yeah, be great. Tell us a bit about what you're looking for on the parking side of the equation. Let me introduce the players for our team. To my left is Russell D. Martino, who is a, I said hello. I told you not to say that. He means it. Who is the representative of the owner of the complex called the Village Center? Arlington Village Shop. Arlington Village Shop, that's what I said. And with him and with us is the engineer's representative, Tim Williams, who should be committed with the board as he's done many things here in town. Tim, would you come forward too? Sure. We are requesting an opening of the permit for the specific purpose of adjusting the parking because of a change in the tenant mix. We are having two new tenants. And you're right, Mr. Fair, as an indication of three parts, like all of Gaul that has been divided into three parts. And although we're coming first, we'd like to make a presentation of what the parking will look like, assuming the board approves the tenant mix as it unfolds later on this evening. So our request will be contingent upon your approval of the other two hearings. What I might do is I might continue this hearing to the end so that we don't have to build in any contingency into the actual ruling. Into the actual ruling, I think. OK, with everybody, I think it makes the most sense. All right, so in essence, we have on the board here parking. Earlier, actions of the board reduced the parking based on the 20% reductions to a total of 68 spaces. And one of the plans that I have provided the board indicates that 68 spaces was an approved requirement or content condition of the ARB in our earlier hearings. We now request 67 spaces primarily because of a requirement of one of the prospective tenants that care well folks who will make a presentation through their attorney, Mary Wynne Stanley O'Connor, regarding the necessity or the request for two handicap accessible spaces near where their operation will work out of. So we have prepared a new plan. And Tim will go through that with the technical aspects of how we arrived at the 67. We lost a space primarily because of the re-adjusting of the handicapped spaces and increasing the handicapped space by one. We also have a vacant space that we would like to fill with a compatible restaurant use. And we'd like to speak to some way of eliminating the necessity of coming back to the board. And we've spoken with Carol with regard to possible ways that we could do that so that adjusting of the parking would not necessarily require a hearing and council and meetings and continuances and so forth. So Tim, we'd like to walk you through that. The only real modification over the 2009 approved plan was the incorporation of a handicapped spot right here. This is an existing, you can see on the 2009 plan. It's an existing standard parking spot. What we're proposing to do is just hash this out to ADA standards and then convert the adjacent spot into a handicapped spot. In doing that, we're also going to need to modify the sidewalk out in front and incorporate a ramp, an accessible ramp as well. So what that does was it impacts the landscaped open space. It's still at 14%, which is above the 10%. So it's just a little bit of an additional impervious surface associated with that change. So we have one van spot and one standard accessible spot with appropriate signage. I'd like to point out that even though we're asking for a reduction in size, it does not mean that we need to reduce the size. If all we're saying is that based on the new tenant mix, only 67 maximum space is required after the 20% reduction. So we're not saying, please give us something extra. We're just saying the tenant mix requires a readjustment and it comes out to one less space. Russ, would you like to speak to anything? No, just introduce ourselves again. Those of you that were here when Len came through the first time, he sends his regards. And unfortunately, he couldn't make it. But he did want to come and see you all again and say hello. The message has been relayed to us for over a year now. The importance of trying to get new tenants into the center. We've been trying very hard. You will see the follow-on tenant that's coming for the restaurant use. We were very excited and fortunate to have a relationship with Carewell prior where we were actually looking at moving them into a separate space. As it ends up, they liked the space that they will be coming in front of you on enough to motivate them to come to the center with the caveat that they do operationally really want the additional handicap space when we met with Carewell and we talked about the potential ways to get it to them. We actually felt that an additional space, as opposed to moving the handicap space, was the best way to do it. Given the seating counts that we're looking for, given the operations of Panera when they were in, we felt that the reduction in parking would be OK. It wouldn't adversely affect the operations of the center, given the seating count that the new restaurant tenant is going to ask for. And then the additional request for potential seating on the vacancy really is to allow us to appropriately market the space. We feel like the category of restaurants is one that's desirable right now. We've heard both from customers at the shopping center and from leaders within the town that the restaurant use ended up becoming a bit of a town center when it was here and operational. So we'd like to allow ourselves the ability to put another use that is compatible with the Babelville use that you'll hear from tonight next door. And in order to do that, we'd like some level of assurance that we can have some additional seating that makes sense. So that's reflected on the plan now that it gets us up to 94 seats. And then it shows that we can do that within the zoning code with the 20% reduction at 67 spaces. Do any of y'all have questions? I think I'll just start out, because I think maybe I'm just missing something here. So I was following you until the last bit about the seats. That's the part where you told me not to talk. Yeah, about the number of seats. So I'm sorry, but I'm not familiar enough with this particular special permit to know. But are you asking for an increase in the seating for the space? No. What will happen is that there is approximately 2,300, almost 2,400 square feet of vacant space. We'd like to use that vacant space for a potential restaurant use compatible with all of the other tenants and what might work. This is a space outside of the Babelville. This is a different space. Next door to Babelville. OK. So all we're asking is that in the future, because we have that space and because we can either fill it with retail or restaurant, we'd like to be able to have the flexibility of indicating that that space, based on the number of seats in that space, if it were a restaurant use, would add up to the 67 total spaces that are already in the complex. OK, but we don't have a piece of paper that says that here. Or I request that. No. No, you don't. OK. So I'm not sure how, help me out in getting there, how we're going to go from the paper that we have in front of us. Actually, yeah, we're requesting two things, first of all, we're requesting that based on the tenant mix, we need to reduce the, we can reduce these space requirements by one parking space. So we're requesting that. Yeah, OK, so when I'm certainly jumping ahead here, but in my mind, I was looking from just the application and the materials that went along with it, you're going from, I think, a requirement at the old Jimberry from nine down to five. So I was getting there pretty quickly on the addition of the handicaps based on the fact that by the bylaw, you're reducing the need for that space down. So that's it. And everyone can have their own say on that, but that was in my, this is how I was processing it. I think the next thing, though, and I'll move on after I say this, or have you respond, is that's a big difference in saying, OK, whatever we put in that space, the parking's going to be fine unless I see kind of the numbers in front of me. So going into step two, which is really an informal request to see if the board will accommodate us in the future, that we have 2,400 vacant square feet. We think we could put a restaurant in that space. So for, at worst case, a new retail use. So we have, based on our tenant mix, we have extra spaces left over that we haven't technically utilized. So what we're asking the board as a side light to our presentation is if we could have some way of eliminating the necessity of coming back just because we have a new tenant and just because we have to go through the space adjustments all over again, if we don't use any more than the 67 spaces for the 2,400 vacant space or vacant square feet, then I guess the question is, can we do this informally maybe by an affidavit that we would give to the director who would work with the board so that a hearing might not be necessary just because we fill the 2,400 square feet? OK, well, let's, I think we'll open it up. So why don't we go down and ask whatever questions. I think it might make sense to kind of keep the two things separate if we can't answer that one. Before we go further, can we just get some clarity on where all those spaces are on the plan, where the carmel is, and how many square feet it is, where the vacant space is, and how many square feet, and where vacant they'll, and how many square feet it actual buildings. I'm assuming the vacant is in the middle of the two. I'm not sure that's the correct assumption. Because this plan is more geared at what was approved in 2009, it doesn't show the individual spaces. But currently in the shopping center, approximately here is Massage Envy. Directly next to it is the Mead House. Directly next to that is the roughly 3,500 square feet that's going to go to Bagelville. The old Panera space. And then directly next to that is the vacancy that we've been talking about that's about 2,400 square feet. And Urgent Care is all the way on the other side. Carmel is here. Carmel. And this is where Jimbury currently is operating. OK. And taking up the same space right now. Yes. Thank you. Bagelville and Carmel are both taking over the demise space as it sits today for those issues. Thank you. So it divides up what was Panera. They're taking what was Panera in whole and no more. And using less seats. And that was already a little extra 2,500 square foot space. Yeah, that was the former town of Cranbett was there. And it's vacant now. And what Dick was presenting was, is there a way to get approval based on the parking spaces? I was just talking about Christine. If we get a lesson. Gotcha. Thank you. That clarifies a lot from the way down. OK, Bruce, why don't you start? So with respect to what? May I get this here? Excuse me? I can pass for the bar. Are you feeling something? We're in the middle of a meeting right now? Yeah, I need to go home. I'd say say I can go that way. Oh, sure. Come on home. Yeah, sure. Come on through. That's fine. Have a good night. No, I see the. That's OK. No problem. Have a good night. Good night. Oh, I'm sorry. I have a wrong place. I work in just performance. Sometimes I miss out on the dollars. So with, so did that answer your question? I've had a moment of clarity here. And I think I really understand the request much better now. So with respect to what I think is the question is most immediate in front of us, whether the parking scheme works for Carrewell and having the new handicapped space. I don't see any problem with that. I will point out to him with respect to the plan, the new plan. There's a couple of inaccuracies here. Sure. On the chart, sort of lower right hand side where you're counting the number of parking spaces, at least some of the copies that I was provided, the standard parking spaces. And I did the count, actually. I came up with 50, not 52. And I think that's the right number to get to 67 total because you have 13 compact spaces and four accessible parking spaces. So the math works out that you would have 50 regular size parking spaces. OK. And as long as you're looking at making that correction, just below that in the parking notes section, you may want to change where it says 1389 mass after 1398 mass. So it shows up in a couple of spaces where there's a transposition of the digit there. Excuse me. Would it be helpful if you had the larger plans in front of you rather than both sides? My little tiny ones? Hang on. Sure. I guess if we could be honest. Oh, great. This is the last reason why I'm here. A little bit different. It's different. Yeah. I did update it based on discussions with Bear Breyer yesterday. OK. Here's your count over here. You've got 52, 13, and four, which has up to 69 spaces. And so what you need is 50. Yeah. And then down over in this area here, you've got 1389. So the 1398 from the address. But otherwise, I have no problem with the request for the modification of the parking plan. Do you want to entertain comments on the other aspects of the project? Yes. No, please. I mean, we may as well do them all at the same time. I think the problem in trying to anticipate what the parking needs are for future use is we've got two criteria that we're looking at. We've got a formula for retail, and then we've got a formula for restaurant use. Restaurant use is based on seats. Retail use is based on size of the space. So I think it's hard for us to project how many spaces you would need to have, even before the board, percent to its special permit powers, started to reduce that number. So as much as I'd like to make your lives easier, I think you're asking us to engage in a bit of speculation about what the use might be in the future. And I just don't see how we do it. I'll speak to that, because I think that's an important point. My thinking is that if we've used, for example, 60 spaces, and we have an excess of seven spaces, just by example, then we know what kind of retail based on one space for 300. And we know how many seats would be available for restaurant use based on the excess number of spaces. So while, on the one hand, it may be speculation, but once we've targeted a prospective tenant, we can say, OK, you want a restaurant use, you better know you can only have seven spaces or 10 spaces. And if the way I would play it out in my mind is that we would then say, here is the name of our tenant. Here is the number of seats that the tenant expects to use. We would prepare an affidavit to that effect. We would hand it to your director who would then bring it to your board. And at the meeting, you say, well, this makes sense. There's no need to have any kind of a hearing. Just adjust the parking based on the number of spaces and seats left over. So maybe it's too simplistic. I don't know. Well, I guess I would also not necessarily, I mean, it seems like we could be signing off on a new tenant without ever actually seeing what that tenant's use would be or facade changes or other things that are germane to a special permit branding. So my own inclination to speak for myself as would be how to say, I don't see how that would work under the bylaw, but OK. That's it. So picking up right where Bruce left off, I think that we'd want to see the signage, all the same things you've brought today for that, for your new tenants. We'd want to see the same items, and that would require either a meeting where you'd be before us to explain things and point out what you have, and we could ask you questions or a hearing, which is our normal. Which would be a hearing as well. So it makes sense that you would probably need that. You're beginning to sense a trend here. It's not a trend. Just in continuing this process, it's helpful to see all of this. Add on another footnote. I think the problem is you're beginning to erode the public process a little bit, too. And if it is part of the public hearing for a special permit, I'd be reluctant to say, OK, we're going to have some alternative method, and it leaves the public comment from being written. Rather than here is the rest of the comments, why don't we just withdraw on step two? My other question on that would be, you probably know right now how many square feet you have, and you know how many extra parking spaces are there. But before we delve too deeply into this, I think the other flaw in it is that the required is 77. The proposed is 67. That's the 27. No, I mean, but which is the extra? Is it the extra off of the 77? Or is it the extra off of the, is it off of a legitimate count? Or is it off of a reduced count? So my request to Dick in formulating this, and as long as I may have been, was that when we did the math on figuring out if it made sense for us to be able to put it on a restaurant in the 24.06, is that to me it came down to how many seats does that restaurant, how many seats can I put in that restaurant? Does it make sense? And using the existing approval and using the zoning bylaw, if we applied this 20% reduction every time, it actually came out that I could theoretically fit within 67 parking spaces according to the bylaw and go upwards of 50 or 60 seats in this adjacent space. So my request, and it was late in the game or the presentation could put a little bit better, was can we get them to just say, yes, it's OK to put 50 or 60 seats in there so that when I go out to market and I have a tenant who says, I want 60 seats, I can say yes. So you're saying you have maybe 12 or 13 extra spaces with the 67? Applying the mathematics that are in the zoning bylaw and using the 20% reduction, yes. But I completely get that it's more than simply counting seats for this authority. And that's fine. This isn't a deal killer for our ability to get good tenants. And it's just I was looking for a way to be more forceful when I was marketing this space. And I will say we want you to have good tenants. And we want to work with you in getting those good tenants because I think everyone believes that that is and can be a very vibrant area of the town. So I don't think you should hear anything about that. That's fine. We will, though, if all bad because I don't want it to drag us down too long. We have what I think is more important things to hear around the unit. So in reference to the 67 spaces and the use that you're talking about that you've come before us with the care well, I have no issues with the change that you've made. So tracking the two spaces and putting in one accessible space and an aisle space. I do have a question. The ramp that Tim mentioned, is that actually a ramp? I don't see a curve there. Is it a ramp up to the door? I believe it's a flush curve right now. That's why we have parking bumpers. OK, so it's not really a ramp. It's just a sidewalk. Yeah, exactly. It might be a little bit of a grade. Yeah, other than that, I don't have any other questions on this aspect of it. I don't think I have any questions or comments as to what's currently on the table, so that's fine. I'm OK too. Everybody good? OK, so, Carol, anything? Oh, one more thing. When Tim makes that change to the 50, anywhere where you've made a change, it would be helpful to have a cloud on all your changes. There's a number of changes on here that don't have a cloud on it. Yeah, I can do that. So we kind of had to compare this to the old one and figure out what changed, so everything should have a cloud. So I'm trying to think of the best way to do this. Why don't we take a look? I think I would like to maybe entertain a motion to move this particular one along. I believe you want a contingent on the actual. And that can end this evening. You were right this evening. Yes, yes. So I entertain a motion for the reduction of the spaces to 67 with the addition of an accessible hand cap accessible spot and amending the special comment in that way. So then, can we do that? I'll second it. Can I amend what you said? Yes, please. That's why that's why. The only thing I would add, Mike, is just to say, has shown by the Allen and Major Associates Plan. I'm going to amend age. Yeah. Sheet two on our head. As revised. Sheet C2. C2, yeah, because the date I see on it is 07.05. Well, they're both sheet C2. So you have to say sheet two of them. On the bottom right hand corner, I find the date on top. Yeah, see, there's a tiny date down here. There's a date on issued for review in the revision block. Oh, OK. OK. So September 19 of 2013 issued for review. Yeah. And that doesn't have to be in part of the motion, but it would be revised by Allen and Major Daily Purpose Technical. Right. Actually, Tim, why don't we use the big one? And if you want to give the big one to Carol as the one, because I think that was more correct. Can we go on the slide? Was it? Yeah. Just to reassure you, I'm ticked to show. OK. Oh, so that's that as the restaurant seats piece of the puzzle? Yes. OK, let's go with this. I take it back. Yeah. Let's go with this. We're going to go with this one. There's one more thing that maybe should be changed. Maybe it's not right, but your letter noted the square footage as being 2,494. Is that the space for tenant three, which right now is listed as 2,431? Well, this is carrying over a plan that was carried through a priority process for 1,406 Mass Ave. So that's where footage has been modified during the construction process. I can update the plan as well. It'd be good to update the plan and also put the dates, since the letters are not the dates that it addresses, since the letters referring to those addresses. These are all technical changes that still go with this name. Excuse me to just update the plan and resubmit to Carol, take in all your comments. I'll update it and I'll get it back to her. Great. Yeah, I think the most important change is the 50, the 52. Yeah, what I did was I didn't amend that when I took out these two. No, that's fine. I just think that that's, I mean, the square footage would be nice to get correct. It's just we're dealing with the parking lot now, so I think we'll be OK. OK. Carol, did you get enough of that? I got some motion. It's sheet C2 of the Allen and Major plan that in September 19, in that it will be a revised plan would be submitted. I think that was all. Administrative corrections with administrative corrections. Revised plan with administrative corrections. Yeah, yeah. And you said that the 50 parking spaces is the thing you want to see. Yeah, the 52 needs to be reduced to 50. Thank you. OK. I think we did have a second by Bruce. One of the longest seconds of it. That's Bruce. Yeah, exactly. So all in favor? Aye. That's even in a call. All opposed? OK. So I think we're good. And that is contingent on the third hearing. Thank you very much. Thank you. OK, the next hearing we're going to move to is the hearing to reopen the special permit for 1398 Massachusetts Avenue to amend the signs for Bagelbilt. OK. Well, now I am Carl Tamein. I am kind of surprised by that. Mr. Tamein is at another hearing with the Board of Selectmen. And he didn't know if he could make it here in time. So I'm just going to sit in on this. This is the client, Sarah Geo, with the $20. And he intends to create a Bagelbilt shop for our location that was formerly the Panera location. Although the Panera location had many more seats, the proposal is to have only 64 seats in this location. And I don't believe any special permit requirement for usage is called for since this is a hearing where we're replacing one restaurant use with another restaurant use. The only thing that really changes is the number of seats in the menu and the signage. So we are really here to request a signage that, in essence, just replacing whatever Panera had wherever it had it. And so I think it might be appropriate. I've got some pictures of current situation, which I think is enough for everyone. And the first sheet that shows existing signage conditions is what the front looks like right at this particular moment where you can barely see the Panera logo on the front. But that is the way it looks right this moment. And on the next sheet, the existing signage is only relevant to show you what the rest of the shops look like for signage. And this third sheet, which has previous signage conditions, shows Panera in what was adopted and approved by the board in the time that it appeared before the board. So what is in front of you is essentially a request to reinstall signage that says instead of Panera, Bagelville, and on the front in that area where Panera had its prior sign, and also at the rear where Panera had its prior sign, and also at the standing sign, which just requires the insertion of a modest notice of who the tenants are in the village area. You also have the menu called Provided the Board, along with the building permit for the work that's going to be done in the interior, along with the aspect of the floor plan for your view. I don't think we have that. Really? I don't think we have the floor plan. I didn't put a menu. I did not distribute the menu. The menu is really not the view. Have it. I'm curious. Yeah, I'll be right back. I'm sorry, we're not ready yet. We don't have a building permit for the interior, just for the signs. Yeah, no. Oh, I'm sorry. So I guess it was just a, sorry, my bad. OK. And Sergio is here to answer any particular questions. My sense is that without having Bruce weigh in, that we really are substituting one tenant for another tenant. Signage is the same way. Bruce? You know, it's been a longstanding tradition of the board that we have materials and models. And I think some bagels would be appropriate. Well, just so you know, depending on how we're done. So I have a couple of questions about lighting. So on the front facade, the front signage, it looks like the goose neck lamps are still there. Yeah, the exact same lighting that we've utilized to. OK. On about the fourth page of this, where we have the picture of the bagel, it says halo 3D carved bagel. So does the bagel tend to be lit? Yeah, inside of it. Inside the bagel? OK. So then what would we be seeing from the street? We're not going to be able to see the light, but when you look it, you're going to see the bagel with the light up, like the meat house as now. So would it be the white area around the letters would be lit? Yeah. OK. And the bagel. And the bagel itself around the outside and then the whole signage in the back of the building. Is that lit also? No. No? So it has the goose neck lamps looking down at it. But there's no illumination coming from the side itself. So that, picking up again on Bruce, the halo lit. Typically the halo lit shines light back to the wall, correct? And then the letters pop out. Or is it actually in the edge? It's actually on the edge. But you don't see the light, you just see the illumination. The only thing I saw was that the sign and height is more than our four foot standard, but the Panera sign was also more than the four foot standard. So I don't see an issue with it. It is higher. And what you've shown, which are very helpful, these signs here, the Panera bread sign is even higher, I think, than the bagel sign. So it's just with any other. Yes. I go with the Android sign. Was the Panera sign lit? Not with the goose necks, but the 3D halo lighting. I'm just trying to picture what it looks like. I think it was. It was. It's a photograph of it here, but it's not. I can't tell. That's the other one. I just noticed that it was a little slightly different. It's just a different lighting, I guess, now. Your breath is in two times the same. I'm just trying to remember what it's in. I have no issues with anything here, and I think that's fine. I'm also OK with that. I'm sorry, I forgot to ask about this. In According to Mayan's letter, he talks about a proposed bracket sign. I figured that out if I could. I'll jump in here. I think what he's talking about there. The bagel itself. No, it's not even that. It's this. Yeah. Which is in the bracket sign. It's the sign on the signpost. I was concerned that that didn't be the bylaw required, so he was requesting as a Justin. Just in case, fair enough. Yeah, but I figured it out after I kind of parsed it. OK, I'm fine with that. I have no comments on it. Anything else from the board? OK, then I'll entertain a motion to approve the signage for Bagelville as presented in the, I guess, we'll go by the date of the gamut signed package dated, even though it's crossed out, 9-9-13. Why don't you call it the date that it was stamped? You want date stamped? Sure. Previous version, but the date was updated. That's fine. That's fine. So date stamped October 31st, 2013. I have a second. Second. OK, all in favor? Aye. Thank you. Welcome. Thank you. That's great. Bagels. Hey, I can also be Mary Winsfield. Bruce, I'll be much kinder advisor than you. Dick, please tell Carl. Don't feel compelled. Please tell Carl he did a great job. Good evening. Hi, Mary. So now, the next, after getting back on schedule, actually, they're almost close to it, anyway, and once I find my agenda, I'll be able to save them up there. Thanks. I don't know what I did. We're now going to have a hearing to reopen the special permit for 1406 Mass Ave to amend the signs and parking for Farewell, which I think we can do the parking again. But I don't think we'll need to, so since we just did it. So OK. All right, thank you. My name is Mary and Stanley O'Connor. I represent Farewell Urgent Care Center in Massachusetts. With me is Terry Geoby, who's the vice president of Farewell and a representative, Jason from Backbang Sign Company, who will review the signs. You have our letter, but let me just review. This is a very different use than what's been in these two buildings in the past. And it is of use permitted as a right in the zoning district. What Farewell is proposing to provide is stomp-in, medical services, flu shots, treatment for colds, non-life-threatening accidents, that type of service for the community. And one of the things, they have seven locations, correctly, in Massachusetts and one in Rhode Island. In fact, there's one in Lexington that recently opened on Bedford Street. Now, I will tell you I live in the Heights and I patronized this neighborhood shopping center quite a bit, three or four times a week, the mayor, the meat house. And I never realized what was in the other building, frankly. I didn't even realize there was a jimboree because I would suggest to you that a lot of the activity goes on in that other building. There's a lot of activity. So signage becomes very important for my client to distinguish there on the end of that second building. This is a very different use that was there before. And it becomes very important by way of identifying the area. The other thing I would suggest to you is that this use, unlike many retail uses, there will be no what we would say paper signs in the window that you see inside hanging inside the window. So that would not be something that they would be doing. They're going to have, they're in the space of, proposed to be in a space of 2,400 square feet at, actually, almost 2,500. They require one parking space per 500 square feet. So this is actually a reduction in parking from the jimboree use that was there. My client, if you can answer any particular questions you have about the use, Jason can speak to the signage. If you'd like to ask any questions, we'll get to the closing. I'm going to start at the other end. And surprise, Andy. OK. I think I'm fine with this. I didn't see the color till now. We have samples relative to the on it. Anyway, moving to red to accentuate medical care. Urgent care is something that is new to New England. If you go anywhere else across the country, you'll see urgent care is on every corner. I've been in health care for 30 years. This is actually my first time in a federal report. So it's kind of cool. Well, glad someone thinks so. If you'd like our autographs. In case you wanted to learn about education or what we do and what we're trying to accomplish with urgent care, we want to make health care more accessible and affordable to people. We all know that emergency departments are just so overrun in five to 10 hour waits. And urgent care, we can take care of some of those simpler things that aren't life-threatening that people can get in and out quickly. We have really nice sites. They can be comfortable while they're waiting and meet the needs of the community. So our mission is to have efficient, affordable, and quality health care in the neighborhoods. So that's what we're trying to accomplish. Just tell me a little bit about this. Let's look around the corner here about the color and everything. It's only got the black and white. So how does the signage work? You just replace the awnings. Pull the red to just, yeah. And then you have a black care. It's actually a green. It's actually blue. It's a navy blue. So you really fit nicely within the frames and so forth. I mean, I looked it over in black and white. I think it looks fine. What are you doing? I'm not going to go. I'm going to be able to see if you are special. This end of the table. I think we were short one or two pockets. And the locations, are we adding any locations that that's the one added location that's on the side? And the rear, right? The rear. I think the rear does have some. How are those ones that are on the wall applied? Are they on top or are they, looks like they're being set? The front sign, the top, the carewell letters are haloed. They type where the metal is a metal can that shines on the wall. You can see it in the silhouette. And then the urgent care letters are facelift, like the all the other signs I'm building right now. And so that would be the same for the side sign. That would be facelift. The urgent care is facelift on the side elevation? Actually in all three cases. And then in the rear, it would be just like the front sign, where the top carewell letters are haloed. And the urgent care letters are facelift. The smaller ones, in the case of the one on the back. Facelift means? Facelift means that the light comes out the face, just like the gymery sign, the outreach sign, the haircutery sign, that are currently on this building. But you don't see the lamp. Right. It's behind that. And this is a little side profile here. This shows that the haloed letters stand off the wall a little bit, and the facelift letters are flushed out on the wall. So that the light can create this glow behind. Right, that halo, yeah. And this is just an internally illuminated sign. But not in the case of the urgent care sign. That's lit. That is facelift. All three urgent care letters would be the same facelift. Which is allowed in the building, right? There's two new signs, but the back doesn't have a sign right now. Currently, no. These are for the sign in the back. All the people will be parking in the back. And we don't want anyone to try to walk around the building to the front. So for us, the back of the building will be the front. Oh, yeah. That's where they're going to come in. That's where you have them. Yes, that's where our reception will be in our waiting room. And the signage, the urgent care, as you come down, mass it up, from what's in there, kind of distinguishes it. Because you see the bank, and really your focus is the bank, and this gives people a sense of what they approach. Yeah, I think you need that sign there. Yeah. But I'm just wondering, if you frame it with a background or something, it might be OK the way it is. But you could also put a panel behind it so it pops up. It looks like a sign. That is something to consider. I mean, I think because the letters are red, they're going to be effective. On the side of the elevator? Yeah. Are they red with a white margin on that? No, it's just the way the drawing's done. They're solid red. This side is the white. So that should pop out on a light building. This should be enough. It should be. That's a clean look. And they're lit. It is good. Right. OK. I think that's great. I like it great. Oh, I like it. I think it's good. I think it's good, too. We usually don't allow two signs in addition to the front of the building. But in this case, it seems like it's really warranted that you're going to need it. And it's for a good use. And people are going to need to get there quickly. Thanks. You have a chance to get it. After a day like today, it's time to have to see it. That makes sense. And it's a very non-obtrusive type of sign, also. So I think it looks good. Did you inquire with the building inspector or the police director of police services with respect to a red-lit sign? So he hasn't weighed in one way or the other on that. No. OK. I think the police may have an objection to a red-lit sign. Well, in section 703C, it says, no red or green light shall be used on any sign if in the opinion of the inspector of buildings with the advice and consent of the director of police services such light would create a driving hazard. OK. I'll talk to you about that in a second. And on the side there, you would be looking right now. Right. I think it would be a non-issue rear and front. Rear and front, I don't see a problem, especially by the next time I'm driving down Mass App, particularly with signs just turning on. It could be one of those things that momentarily catches your eye and might confuse the driver. But that's really, for the building inspector to determine that for the board to determine. I actually park company. I'm not moving with my colleagues on the side elevation sign. I think you are allowed to have two wall signs. One along the facade of the building on the street side and one on the parking facade. You'd have to have the board determined that it's in public interest to allow for a third sign. And I'm not convinced. I've opened to persuasion. So from my perspective, I don't know that I'm convinced. And I actually don't like the side elevation because what are your hours going to be? 8 to 8. OK. I look at that. And I think people are going there no matter what. And they're going to be surprised that it's locked. And it doesn't say care well, urgent care. It simply says urgent care. It's going to be lit up during the night on hours that you're not going to be open, I presume. No, it won't be lit up when we're closed. On the side as well, the side elevation? That could absolutely be done. I actually would recommend that. I don't think you want to have a sign that's urgent. Yeah. And I think that's my problem. Because people would think that we're open. And then they would be like, shut off my timer. Right when they're closed. Yeah. But that just, so 8 to 8, that means you're really only, it's only being effective for a couple hours a day, essentially. I'm a little bit with Bruce. I think at the very least, it would need to say care well, urgent care on the side. Because I think just a red sign that says urgent care just makes it look like a 24 hour a day place that I can go and for whatever it is I need. I think what you're putting in there is a great idea. And it's great and everything else. It's just this one elevation that I think is kind of difficult. And I think that in saying it, you said, well, we want it on the side. So people who need care can get it. Well, I think that's exactly the reason why I don't want it there. It's a little bit too much of it. And I think I'm a little bit in Bruce's camp on that particular one. I think at the very least, you need care well, urgent care on the side. And I think if you were to turn it off whenever it was closed, is it really getting you the benefit you want for having the sign in the first place? If your hour is only getting to 8, I don't know. Can I just one? Yeah, please. I think it does serve a public purpose from the perspective of if you're coming down Mass Ave. And I do agree with you. It probably should say care well, urgent care. Yeah, I mean, care well, urgent care. It defines it. But it draws your attention to it during the day. And it might, when it's lit, you'll have it there. But when they're closed, the light is going to be off. So there'll be a sense that it's a 24-hour type facility or people would be drawn to it in that respect. OK, so if that's the case, why have it lit at all? Well, it's a day like David's time, 5-8. Sure, 5-8. Is it handling emergencies usually? Non-life-threatening emergencies. Non-life-threatening. And if somebody comes in that does have, not right there, we'll treat and make sure that we minimize anything, get the ambulance right there. And we also work closely with hospitals, the nearest hospitals, all the physicians, the PCPs, because we want to collaborate and be part of the medical community. So to turn away the hints, that fast care for people, quality care, they need to know we exist. And as I said in the beginning, urgent care is so new to New England. All over the country, there's 9,000 urgent kids across the country. And the reason why care well came into New England and Massachusetts in particular is because there weren't, there were six when we started a year ago. I think it's up to about 13. So it is catching on. And part of it, part of the big thing that we have to do is educate the public of what is urgent care, when to use urgent care, and how basically you can get service quickly, efficiently, and quality service. So that's why for us, it wanted to have a difficult destination. We need to be able to become a destination for people so they know they can get good care there. We don't get referrals from other places. It's as people get to know us. Can I see that board? One other question I'll look on. You had mentioned that the reception is going to be at the back. So what is going to happen with the windows in the front? The windows in the front, we've been talking about potential wrapping. You know when you see the vans that are wrapped? But we have something really nice and medical on the front with our services to let people know what they can get inside. So as walking by, they could know what kind of things we do, flu shots, and like that. Or it just be glass, tinted glass. So I'm wondering if you make it just like a sign. You know, it's not to be, it's not looking like it's the emergency ward of a hospital. It's a sign. I mean, you're a business. Care well, urgent care. Then you have to evaluate it on whether you think it's needed at all. Right. Something about the way it is now, it seems a little like an emergency thing. And that probably the fire chief would have the police chief with it? Yes, the police chief, director of police service. Maybe less exception to it, if the care well was certainly there at least. Take care well, urgent care, and just put it here as a small sign with the same background. That's your logo. That's your thing. I mean, it crosses out that side of the building. This is just a blunt wall. I know. Yeah, and I think if it were a sign, that would be. Going back to your question about the windows though, it sounds like you could potentially have additional signs in the window, which I think that's what I'm trying to understand. Because we have had situations where, and right now, I'm trying to think of what else is in that block. In fact, when Jimberry went into that space, we specifically, I recall this conversation at the hearing, said, you have to keep the windows open to keep the sidewalk vibrant. Well, I think it's air-conditioning. No, no, no, they're propitious. Yeah, and it's just, OK. We have the same situation in Needham, where the front of the back of the back is the front, and the windows are just there. Because the front door is going to be egress only. Yes. So no one will go into the sidewalk, from the sidewalk. It'll be locked. Unless for some reason, there's an ordinance to not have that happen in Needham, there is. So we have a, you can see when people come in, the waiting room and everything is in the front. We have an alarm. It's a nice bell. It's on the right. So if someone comes in from the front, because Needham wants the front door open, then would someone's proposed right there to greet them? I think that would be really helpful. There's parallel parking in front of the building. And two of your signs are going to be in the front of the building, so people are going to be trying that door all the time. From the same exact issue, I think it's a long arrow. And just the nature of the other shops that are there, they're all using the front door. Yeah, and I know, personally, if I can park on the street in that particular plaza, I park on the street. You know, I mean, it's just, yeah. So it's easier, just from the perspective of the president. So I think that would be helpful is to try to figure out a way to keep that front door open, just for the life of the sidewalk and not to have just a dead pet. As you mentioned, a lot of the activities is on the other side. So it would be helpful to liven it up at least a little bit if we could, or at least as much as it is. Better practice. We try to encourage businesses in our own tend not to turn their front doors into walls. The board has encouraged other businesses, other retailers and restaurants to keep their windows clear and open and translucent and to actually use the front doors. We're trying more and more to open the front doors and open the windows to keep that streetscape vibrant. So I think the board would be wise to try to do that. And I think it would be in your interest, too, because if your business does that, another business wants to do it, and another business, before you know it, it can detract from the experience people have in the commercial district. We don't want that because we want you to have a nice pleasant place to operate your business. We could suggest for the side coming down from Lexington on Mass Ave, a sign that says care with urgent care. Compliment, really, signs you think is appropriate. That has a background and a frame, basically. Yes. Well, what you do, actually, is kind of like the same application, but the letters are mounted to a panel that has the same background. Would you want it to match that surrounding tile material, that kind of off-white, one that's behind the current sign? Yeah. Or the one on the front. What's on the front behind the sign? Oh, no. Same. We could try that for the panel with the sign that goes in. We could try to match that color. What's behind the front panel? This is a different color. It's like, it's more brown, I think. Can you match that one, too? That would look good. Yeah, like a half-ton of that. Would you like that one? Yeah, I like the idea to do that. If you're going to allow an extra sign. Yeah, I think that looks more like a sign. I can get there. I can get there. I just, the way that it was popping out, I think, was a little bit more common. Are you presenting? Well, I like those suggestions. So, I'll come on board. OK, anything else? I think it is advisable to have that sign. It helps to get people to that, especially if they are going to be sick. I didn't tell you. I need to find it. Right. And I do allow it for banks. If you look up and down Mass Ave, people get advantage of signs that are turned facing up and down Mass Ave quite a bit. So, figure. OK, so I think I will entertain a motion to approve the signs as presented in the sign package by back-based sign dated. I'm 19. That's what it says in the title block on the right. Oh, yes. 1913. Yep, thank you. 1913. With the changes as discussed to the side elevation sign of Carewell Urgent Care sign with. And with consultation with the fire? Police booth. Yeah, director of police services and building inspector. Strong suggestion that you keep the front door up front door. We'll have a new drawing done for that. Perfect. So, if you get that to Carewell then she can put that into the file. Second for that? Motion first. Move. Second. OK. Andy. Andrew seconded. All in favor? Aye. Thank you very much. Nice to meet you. Thank you. Thank you. Good luck. Good luck. First one. That's very good. Exactly. Thank you. I hope before hearing you lift up to your expectations. So, if we have a serious emergency, we should not come to you. We should go straight to the emergency room. Yes. Light threatening. Light threatening. Yes. Light threatening. Light threatening. Night threatening. They have your list for cover of your room. Yeah, that's it. Right? So, we were going to see a cruise. Yeah. That's right. But now it takes time. No, I think we should be OK. OK. We have next? Yeah. I have a piece. We were doing it on time. OK. We'll give it two minutes to clear all of it here. It's okay, it's all right, so sit on that. I might just wait two minutes and try not to die now. That's good to see you. Nice to see you guys, too. Have to do it with a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You get there eventually. The laughs and bagels would be great. Yeah, I run the bagel when I ran it. He was giving me a hard time. I have to reduce his parking space by one. So the irony is... Only a parking space. And here he is volunteering to give one up. We can change that. Thank you. Bye-bye, bye-bye now. Okay, so next item of business on our agenda is a Sims update. And here to give us a bit of an update is Jake Upton. I'm only 236 here. Okay, so just to roll into a sort of construction update. Jake, can you just hang on for one second? I'm sorry, can you just open that door around this point and keep it open? Okay, thank you. Quick run-through. We've been making great strides on the construction and are into punch-level details on a lot of the buildings. The B units have now been turned over. They have exterior punch still to go, but the interior units have been accepted. And that allows our broker team to get into the elements and show effective buyers, which is very helpful. We are hoping to start on the A units this week. And the exterior of those buildings are being done right now. So we're going to sort of finish the exterior and then that crew will go into that exterior of the B units and just some touch-up paint, some cleanup on the outside. But basically those are rounding out and then coming together pretty well. The C and D units are expected by the end of November to be done. And that will make a big difference. We can move the construction fence away from at least the D units and hopefully the C units pretty quickly. So there's going to be a lot of concentration in that area up at the top of Sim Circle. The Vista Park has been under construction. The hardscape is basically done. There's some detail work to do on the stairs and some of the joints in the concrete work. But the pavers are in. That'll be back filled with the foam and sort of going through a process of seeding or getting ready to seed in the spring. We're talking about the upper or the lower Vista? The upper Vista Park. We expect all that planting to be in by the end of the week this week. The lower Vista Park has been graded. Well, we went over some final details that's coming in today on some seed mix and things like that. But the plants have been delivered and are going to begin going into the ground. And we're hoping that in about two weeks we can take down that perimeter fence that's just on the other side of the sidewalk as you drive up. So it was great to look out. We've done some of the clearing of the non-indigenous species, shrubs and trees that were blocking the views and sort of being invasive in general. So those have been knocked down. And there's a great couple more coming up items like that to do as we go around. We've made great strides on the perimeter fencing. It was part of the landscaping plan and the landscaping on the perimeter of the residential project. The sport court that's behind the B units is nearing completion for another week. We probably will have to come back for the special sport court. There's a paved area. We'll do some striping on that. We'll be doing the sport court application, color coding of the pavement probably in the spring because of the weather turning. And that can't freeze while it's being installed. Building three is a critical path for us, which is the larger of the two buildings. We have occupancy in building four now. And are really trying to focus on finishing up the interior units of building three. We're expecting that by mid-December those will be done. That schedule has slept a little bit by about three weeks over the last month or so. So we're making strides. The pool deck, the plaza areas have been stabilized. The turnaround area in front of the B units, in front of the buildings three and four. Has very much come together. The mail kiosks have been installed. The last one is being painted now. So we're really into the final stages of sort of cleaning up and punching out these units. And the end is in sight. We have moved the construction fence to the top of the hill. To the left in front of the town of C units in the Vista Park. As the Vista Park is completed and once we are able to do our repaving of the road, which is supposed to be in two weeks, we will be able to take down that fence and access the buildings from the exterior to back out of the site. So what we're looking at as well is we've been kind of working on the landscaping coming up on both sides of Hospital Road. A little bit of concentration on the left-hand side as you come up. The buffer zone enhancement plan, which is the increased vegetation planting, is now mostly in. I think we're just having to be verifying that we have the right number of plants in the right places. That happened over the last two weeks and we're excited to be through that stage. And Shelter has made some great progress as well. They're bringing their exterior siding material around to the front of the building. They've got their binder coat down on their turnaround. The retaining wall is basically done. And I think they've made significant progress on putting the material over the riprap and preparing for the planting of that. They've sprayed the application in. They haven't sprayed the seating in. I'm told that they're planning to do that in the spring. But that riprap slope is changing dramatically right now, which is great to see. Shelter has had an issue with NSTAR where they had temporary power coming to their site and then from their site down to the marketing trailer where the temporary power was turned off and before the new power could be finalized and inspected. So they've had to get a generator on site to keep power to the buildings and keep heat for some of the glue applications that they're doing inside the building and some of the materials. So that has created a bit of a strain with the neighbors. It's a low-level generator. It does have a noise. I think it was in the bylaw, but it's a little bit of an annoyance. And so Shelter reached us, asked us to reach out to the town to say if there's anything that we could do to accelerate the electrical review of the NSTAR work, that that would allow them to get through that work as quickly as possible. And the town managers asked the building department to be even more reactive for calling in on that inspection for that scope of work. So that's been very helpful and appreciated. The neighbors have approved weekend work for planting of the parks into that activity that's been happening and some light grading operations to finalize that area. And as the parks are coming together and the open spaces are becoming complete, we are looking to shift the focus onto the conservation documents and we are trying to prepare a consensus bill for the finalization of these documents that the final CR has been approved as to form. There was a modification, as you recall, that we did with Shelter coming in to include them in the governance of everything and join our agreement to the CR documents. And now we are going through a process of documenting where the final conservation areas will be and also working with the concomitant land trust and the Friends of the Sims neighborhood group to finalize the actual recording of the CR and engaging the DCR department. Well, it was DCR, but now it's EEA, the American. DCS, so the EEA. But which is the government and it actually holds the conservation needs and we need to update that with their legal input. So we've met this evening and go over that with the land trust and the representatives of the concom and I think we have a plan and I know it's active if it works. Because we have a lot of different parties that have been viewed and approved those documents and so it becomes somewhat of a circular process with any significant changes to it so we're trying to minimize the changes. In terms of the offsite work, we were able to complete the installation of the drainage basin that was an add into the Summer Street corridor. That was an extra drainage basin that was not on our original plan. That was a difficult thing to pull off because of all the existing utilities some of which were just legacy utilities that were in and underneath the road so we had to shift our plan a few times. So we're glad that that's in and now that frees us up to complete the sidewalk and some of the turning lanes that are in Summer Street so we can finish that scope of work. Good news is that I'm told that the new telephone pole for the telephone pole relocation for Verizon up on Yorkshire Road which is an offsite mitigation measure has actually been installed and so the process of transferring the lines over is soon to begin so we'll raise the glass on that entrance and check the box off on our conditions of approval. Correctly. Yeah, well we'll save you on that coming back. Yeah, exactly. Not too early. So we are probably going to take care of that and I've talked about sort of coming in and sort of re-reviewing where we are and kind of checking the boxes off on the conditions of approval at various stages of everything. I think we'll do for a refresh around that over the next week or two but we'll just been working really diligently to just wrap everything up and get the details taken care of and get these buildings occupied and kind of installed and just kind of going away. And I think to Jake's point of checking the boxes so we are, I know I need to check in with him again but I think what we are going to do is have Jonathan Buck the attorney at Foley go through all the conditions and list them and in that way Carol and the planning folks can work their way through it with us and also with Jake and to kind of go through the different conditions so that we'll have one meeting near the end or at least one, maybe we'll do it in parts but where we all go through the different conditions and go through them and get comfortable with them because I think in the end the building inspector is going to want to hear that the ARB is comfortable with that the different conditions with bonding with everything else that's been done that we're comfortable that those conditions have been met for when he gives the final certificates of occupancy. So I think in a timing range we're probably talking maybe not I don't think we're talking about the next meeting but probably the meeting after we could be in that position so we'll have to just take a look at dates and all that kind of good stuff but I think that's where we're at and I think after that one we will raise a glass so I think that would make sense. So yeah, exactly. So that is coming down the pike just wanted to let you know that in front of you a good amount of time ahead of time I just need to kind of get together with Jonathan and let him know what the exercise is and what we're trying to do. And a big section of those conditions are the CR documents are relating to finishing the parks so by completing the construction of that and getting those documents done that'll be a lot of checking works. So we're really going to start focusing on those that portion of the project over the next two to three weeks and hopefully bring those in line because we see those as a critical path also on sort of finishing that completion the requirements for the certificate of occupancy the final certificate of occupancy. Are both parks going to be landscaped this year then? Lower Vista at the same time. Yeah, so for our e-mail exchange this morning on the seating of the park I think that there is a desire to do the seating from the contractor's perspective but we also recognize that we are a bit late for that in the season so at the very least if we do allow them to do that we're going to be pretty tight on their need to come back and guarantee that they'll have to do that. But we certainly do want to get that fence down that temporary fence, the construction fence and the screening that's up there so that people can start to see more of some of the attributes of the site. Will you have all the interpretive elements in the upper Vista park? Yeah, I think those are supposed to be all installed, the signage really should be done in about two weeks. There's a lot of historic signs there still to go there's one sign in front of the shelter that we need them to complete their site work and so we're going to give to them to install when they're done but the road signage there's a do not enter and a one way sign for the full hospital way connect a road from Sim Circle to Woodside Lane those need to go in and then all these historic signs in the car that should be coming in as well as a lot of the identification signs for the panel to be basically need to go actually on the numbers on the street addresses. So what's your lighting? Do you have the street lights? Street lights are in, they're functioning we've gotten some comments about them so we're verifying that they were per plan which we think they are but we really completed there the screen fencing has been a big difficult process to weave that through the buffer zone without minimizing any damage to trees but also prefer working with everybody to maximize the effectiveness of the screen to the extent that we can but we think we're pretty much done with that we still have that last little section to go around the backside of building 3 that runs parallel with Browell Street but that should be done soon and going through a punch list where some slats that were not done for the installation just need to go back and get tacked in and that type of thing so Are you going to paint those like full bases? No You're not going to like them They're contrary to the problem is if you paint them and peel and it's hard to keep them on They're concrete and they're tall and the light sits on top of them unfortunately Yeah that's done because they're aluminum poles so if anybody backs in or just taps those poles they come down very hard so the design that's often used in many different parking lots in different configurations is to bring the base, the concrete base up a little bit to the base and then the ones on the top of that so that is per plan but yeah that's the plan I gotta get up there Are any condos so deaf? None have closed but there are some on dark green and how many of the rentals are occupied? I think like 14 14? 14 leads to not sure how many are actually occupied I think 10 or 12 are occupied so that's that's begun and then a affordable watery process has begun as well and those are being done for the whole complex and so we're hopeful we get through that and we're in danger Do you think that applications are due to leaving on the 6th or the 1st one? Yeah I think in two weeks so we want to bring in we're really pushing that building free for coming online for occupancy so that we can get all the affordable all at once so we've been working with Laura on finalizing some of the details as it relates to the affordable housing You've worked out all the parking issues conversations around that and I think Laura and the staff are coming up with a good plan in respect to all of that I think that will be all set and and finalized so that should be good Yeah we got a request for some more information and sort of a statement of our official policy which we'll be turning over to the final approval and we'll also have a layout plan on which spaces go where and in a sort of a finished process an adjunct with our kind of many documents and ties to the exhibits to the kind of many documents Right and I would envision that that wouldn't come back here that will be handled by by Laura Yep Good Thank you Thank you and I still continue with anyone you know come up with a visit just let me know when you want to do it You can go to parts of the site now I know I can Yeah you really can Which is kind of nice We're going to have a special secret door too I like the special secret door Alright thank you Thank you Thanks for the update Right on time Okay so now we're on to what I just wanted to mention as we kind of caught up here quite a bit there's probably a little bit more catching up to do and as such I think the other thing we're going to do I'm going to talk to town council about it and that sort of thing but I do think we have the ability to throw draft minutes out there after a media review or you know we can decide who reviews it at any good point You asked me to check that the board has to approve them really Yeah I got bad information I'm sorry I thought I got back to you No no I won't listen to that person again We don't think there's anything to prevent you from putting draft minutes up but you still have to approve Oh I think so I think that's fine I do understand that but I think in order for expediency from now on we might end up putting up draft minutes if we don't get them up to them You get them as soon as they're drafted The problem is they don't get drafted That's the problem We need two carols Yeah we need to clone carols Okay so the ones we have in front of us today are the first one is October 15th 2012 is the first one and go around for four sort of type of graphical things in the first discussion I guess the second box that says discussion both in the third line towards the right hand side Carol could you squeeze a Z into my name I'm way behind October 15th, 2012 Yeah The last one Okay Sorry I was going chronologically The center of the table is with it now So about the fourth line where my name appears there's a Z missing Thank you Then down the agenda item Sims update in this So nine line it looks like you want to say Colwell banker and there's a D so we can strike that in documents used written in that box right below that on the first line on the right hand side where it says scheduled I think you mean a schedule of Arlington's 360 color scheme a D at the very end of that on the vote in the second line I think you would say Mr. West seconded and all voted in favor as opposed to Mr. West approved although we do usually agree with Andy And then the last item was on the agenda item approval of minutes we don't identify what date those minutes are so I think approval of minutes dated good I remember the three star yeah I actually remember that Kristen no I don't have an advance you're good as Mike Bruce oh do you want me to vote yeah if you could did we get these ahead of time did I just missed it mine weren't in the packet were they in your packet mine weren't in the packet I didn't get them in the packet and I didn't get the agenda but I did get color so I won't have any comments so I would move to approve the minutes of October 15th 2012 has amended is that good second by Andy all in favor aye and we have one abstention Andrew I'll just give a nod okay the next one we've got is August 19th 2013 did I almost remember Bruce anything on this one three small things on the vote in the third line we want to say the required now it requires spaces and then a little farther along in the third line previously allowed and then skipping down to the about two-thirds of the way down the page there's a sentence that begins on the fourth line and runs into a fifth that says the chairman asked Mr. Putzimans if he would I think it should be if not I'd be if that's it for me come back to you Christine if you like Andy anything I'm saying I'm okay I have none I'm sorry Andrew I apologize that's right did you get this one yes I'm good as am I moved to approve the minutes from August 19th 2013 as amended second all in favor sorry about that they do go back far they do go back far exactly and finally when Carol's ready September 23rd 2013 okay great Bruce anything on this one perfect I'll come back to you Christine I'll go with that Bruce is very thorough same as am I nice job Carol moved to approve September 23rd 2013 second seconds all in favor okay putting that one aside and we're gonna let Carol do her thing for another minute or two if she needs to and then we're going to talk about master plan for a couple minutes maybe what's coming up I think there are a couple two quick things you recall that the board wanted to get some time on a master plan advisory committee agenda and they're working at quite a pace very full agendas so one of them they had an idea that if you'd be willing they could would be willing to come out on a Monday night and get on one of your agendas so that they could attend here to hear Andy speak about it and one of your upcoming meetings and my observation is that you haven't been as busy as they are but you haven't been as busy as you were in recent years where you met so frequently we got a nice break last month so if you're amenable to that they are very interested in hearing Andy describe the Mill Brook planning concept so it's not just the Mill Brook because that's the Brook let's say district it helps to focus on the district has other issues though hesitated to lead to district because it implies certain things that may or may not happen quarter baby steps well what kind of district will it be do you know people will conclude they'll come to conclusions about district we don't know what it will be if it will be something that works its way into design guidelines if it's something that will work its way into zoning or not if it's something that will just work its way through private persuasion of private owners or through town owned but all of those things are talking about an energy not a piece of water the area between Mill Brook we don't have to name it tonight Andy it's your presentation go for it your presentation when you wrote it down you just said Mill Brook or Mill Brook concept or something I try not to make it sound like it's something that's all fully baked going to be delivered on a platter I think what would be nice is for them to hear what kind of resource they've got there and that's what I find you are very good at explaining how we get there isn't as important right now as vision which is what you're very good at presenting if they may have no concept of what is already there I think it's important that I keep having trouble getting people past the linear park and onto the idea that there could be other opportunities whatever you want to name and cross connections between the three three features so I can work with the chairman on an upcoming agenda I think that sounds good and we'll just make sure it's one that Andy right because Andy already makes himself available on Mondays for the most part I was available for that last one they weren't they had no time so I think that's a that's a good idea plus they want to meet you all you love the members plus the consultants would potentially be do you want to click through with that many people do you want to have a projector or do you want to just leap through and give them each a copy your choice depending on what else we have going on we have one a sign a reopening of a special permit for a gas station sign coming up in December the projector might be nice for people to have yeah it might be I don't want to put anybody to sleep any more than I already do but if we have many people in the room it's kind of hard to I doubt everybody will come they haven't had any use for everybody I should think that's the case but we'll do it we'll probably show it against that wall whatever you think no that sounds good we'll figure it out but we'll work with you we'll put it on the agenda and we'll make sure you're here and we'll work with you I'm down for it any time okay good so as far as your your expectation will be continue to be available on Monday that doesn't matter nothing to avoid no Monday to avoid except next Monday in Monday very good and the only other I was available for this thing I got some more credit we'll give you that we'll put the check mark next year I'm lucky no though I call this I hear that it's okay there is a workshop Thursday evening a presentation of the baseline report most of which has been posted there's one element still to be received the land use element will also be I know that comments will be received for several weeks after the workshop on Thursday so you're very much invited to come out for that to hear the presentation of the vision goals and the baseline reports that is at the central school on the 7th that's the third day at 7 p.m in the main room and as your liaison I cannot attend that meeting so if some of you could attend that would be great but we all have it everybody got that in their packets right a lot of freedom wait I didn't get it the directors reports are you talking about the baseline reports that was delivered to the master plan advisory committee oh I thought these guys were going to get it too I didn't know that was the idea oh I thought you were going to put it in everybody's packets no I didn't know that I thought it was just for the master plan advisory committee but we can make copies I think it would be handy for them to have it that would be great or we can ask Judy to just give them the dropbox the dropbox link also and you can look at them on the computer if you want it's a lot of stuff to print out or if you what are you going to do on Thursday it's just going to be the presentation so I'm handing stuff out because it's just too much yeah if you could get us copies printed copies you know at some point I'd like to get them to you so that you have time to look at them before the coming period yeah I'll let you know when copies are made if you're strolling by town hall you can pick them up otherwise we'll do them too some other way okay yeah I think that would be worth it we're just having an available we can pick them up yeah I think that's the other thing if you just send us a note that says that they're available I think all of us each of us comes by here to pick them up yeah that is the next one does anybody want it on the dropbox I'm not going to do that we've had trouble doing that Judy has to send the link directly to the dropbox the problem with the dropbox is sometimes you've got more than one dropbox and you try to coordinate which one is this okay good that's it on master plan great anything else from business or anything else it sounds like a motion to adjourn would be in order so moved all in favor bye