 First day I was 18. I'll do a little well call, so if you just go around the moon, you guys can stay for the day. Choose a bachelor. Laurel, Alderman. City title. Laurel, Batlett. Dave. Davey. So you're in our ways? Yeah, well, a bachelor? Just for real. Maybe then. Step it for us. You ready to go on? I will stand. The only person missing who is excused is Melanie. We're going to wait the additions to August 18 minutes because Angela doesn't want to finish that. So we'll push them to the next meeting. But does anybody have any questions about last meeting and any clarification? All right, excited for me to mention that there is AC's at Parliamentary Procedure and we use relaxed broader tools. Angela's going to give us a quick discussion of the returns and the dates. How we kind of pull ourselves throughout conversations and what I also want to talk about. We're all volunteers. We all volunteer our time. Some of us have a lot of volunteer jobs that they do. So we need to respect the window of the meeting and try as much as we possibly can to stay within six to eight. I like to not go until eight and my mentor used to be the chair of this mission. Pretty much kept that until about seven o'clock. So if I cut you off, I don't need to cut you off. I do want to recognize that we all have a little bit of support. So discussions can get you out of the way. So I was supposed to go to the city groups office and make one of these little ditties up for everyone. And I didn't make it over there today. I have two. So I have one that's sitting here. I'm going to pass it around. And while they illustrate it to be nice and cute, this is like a super scary looking document because it goes through parliamentary procedure as debate happens related to agenda items. Right. So there is a procedure for every agenda item in the way that a motion comes to the table, the way that discussion happens. So there is an action, a second happens. And then there is a discussion typically within rocket rules, parliamentary procedure sometimes called, is that everybody gets a turn to talk about the discussion item. And then it's somebody else's turn before we move on and someone gets up to like two. We use in this room, but they all kind of are relaxed about our tools. We're terribly informal, which is a good thing. But sometimes that means that we get off task and we don't stick to agenda items. So while we're a very social group, and I think that that is a wonderful thing. When we are in meeting, we need to stick to the agenda items. So you're going to get one of these scary little things for anybody. But also ask the city clerk's office about the orientation that of course has changed quite a bit since COVID. Right. So they'll probably be going through that again. And I invite you, even if you have attended, it's an opportunity to talk to the city attorney's office, understand the way that the clerk's office works to understand how I am a liaison through the city to other departments in the city. And then that gives you an opportunity to ask me bigger questions that might be in your mind. So I'm going to pass this little thing around. Again, obtaining the clerk with this is very, very formal. But the essence of this is the way that board of commission meeting should be. Any other questions? Okay. Great. Yes. Good. So we need to, in an ideal world, we need to get through our agenda packet within that six to eight minute, or six to eight. Six to eight. Six to eight to our time frame. If discussion gets to a point where we are on the fence about something or we don't have definitive action, then I should. And then it ends up becoming another item. And typically, unlike a lot of other commissions, you know, they may have an action and then it happens and then it moves on to the next one. And then there's a lot of action that happens each month. Our projects spend time. So everything's on the agenda, you know, over and over. And then sometimes there's just no update, no update. And then this one has a lot of update, the no update, no update, lots of things, right? So yes, there's no action that has to be taken. And there could be a moment for pause, a moment for staff to do our directive. You give us a directive, like for example, last month was about Union silos. And we're going this direction. And we need some more directive and understanding about possibilities that that's the action that is given to me as staff. And then I go back to that work. Does that make sense? That was what I wanted to get to. We can, we have more questions or can't do an answer. And that's what our role is. Because the administrators, you can go to the councillors, you know what you're going to do. You can constantly have them in the city against the same teams. So there's no need to constantly know what they're going to do. Or thinking that there's a lot of kind of situations. I think that that's created people. That tends to be the case is we have this project that we're working on. And as all of these other potential items and actions that have happened to it, we can sit here until we're low in the face talking about lives, right? But instead, if we can try, as we're going to narrow those down to the directive of what we would like to see, or even just to go home and spend some time with it, come up with your phone questions and then send them to me. Then hopefully I can even either direct you and answer you directly or say that this is something that needs to be addressed in public meeting. So everybody gets the answer. So everybody gets to hear it. All right, so don't need to scare you with a policy and procedure, but laissez-faire isn't necessarily the way that we want to be going. So we're just going to kind of relit it. I used to have a class that when you were first brought on board, you went to a class and learned about all this. I don't know if that's happened. So that's the point. There is a video version for COVID, and then it actually included another component, which is the equity piece, kind of board diversification that the city clerk's office is working on. I'm happy to pass that along to you in case you're having trouble sleeping or something. Totally put it off and see how it goes or take it in chunks. That would be the very piece that gives you a semblance of structure. I won't reason that. Yes. Well, I am calm. Yes. The reason, in my opinion and experience, the reason why reference rules is an important procedure is so that everyone can be fairly heard and that people can communicate in a nice way. There's a structure for it. So that's the reason behind this. It's not to control anyone. It's not to make people difficult. It's not to keep us from being friendly. It's none of that. It's really for fairness and for civility. And it's actually, believe it or not, in the very front of it, it has the guy on the way and it says, probably through the procedure. It started at 18. Yes. But that's exactly it. So we all sort of powered ways. We need more power to make the covered way. Right. If you have a hit first. Yes. Ruffle shirt. Yes. Ruffle shirt. Yes. And the agents of the iron mix and sister cities project update for Cindy and Susan. Give us an update on this. Hi. So that last night with sister city in the selection team and Cindy and I are the task force people for Miami on it. We had presents, Angelica presented to us management and powers to be several of our group that came out on top. So the first and second choices and they came back with a string of modifications that needed to happen for it to be approved and signed off on for the city. So as daunting as all this has been it was the only thing we had to do was pay the vendor guys and keep moving forward and talk about it. So as I said we met last night to select the animal and sister cities and everybody after we went through all of the discussion was agreement of what we our decision were to move forward so there was no this course in and so we will be breaking after we give this information to the artists, modifications how that will impact their costs our costs are not changing so they can say day in day or whatever and we will bring information to you that is October 15th with the recommendation of what we're going to do because we put deadlines on all of this stuff we were doing to the artists so they have found everything submitted for me. You want me to talk about modifications quickly? Yes. We're asking. Does everyone know what you're talking about? The skoochies. Yeah I love it. So from one side if you will and from the other side so basically it is three-dimensional this kind of outline if you will is this aluminum and it's clad in hand created ceramic tile that is a different color and then the wings which again it's three-dimensional so while it's very flat obviously it has a depth this way so originally this is like 14 feet I understand now that this is about 10 and then the depth is I'm sure the baudification so on one side it's like honor looping and on the other side it's very alfato if you want to say it Mexican cut paper look so but each of the tiles as I understand would be a blockade of either Guzman, Mexico culture or llama culture the modifications are that because this is attracted or climbing as it sits now the original location is in solution so it wouldn't have to move back I think it's about 10 feet even though it's just out there before we got here that's why you don't have the into that pollinator bed the pollinator bed is about 56 wide around 20 and it's greatest distance across but the sculpture will have to be at the very least seven and a half feet up and then without anything or entrapment so no way for somebody to get stuck or come up by any way and it can't extend, it can't have any flange but it extends below that seven and a half it's just going to have to be quite quite a ways up in the air and then the dimension of the piece itself at 14 feet is smaller so about four and five the piece itself will be quite a bit smaller although the artist is permitted to adorn if you load the column length or the case on however the artist decides to come up with a solution to that problem all of the structure and material all dimensionality weight all of those kinds of specs not a stamp structural drawing but pretty much all elements that we needed for a stamp structural drawing will be required by the deadline for this project to if you have any questions about what we're asking the artist and he has received information today he asked for four dimensions and that's where it was right before you and then if for some reason the that move forward move forward then we will move to our alternates so we have so then our alternate also has some augmenting to do albeit far far less structurally etc. etc. than the original so this is got a five million that the people had presented it's plasma cut aluminum and it's a piece we did not because at this meeting okay okay so approximately 10 feet wide it is in close although the selection panel has asked that it in fact be open on both sides so that's about proceeding that that's from above there's a gazing wall and then there's hand force with a lot of butterflies made from the pieces that drop out in the plasma cut aluminum so it's got negative and positive butterflies that will be added and then it's power coated for this blue color and then petal pieces will be negative space I guess we will and then there's image of the gazing wall that would be along the top so this is the alternate if the first design does not go through then this will be the second design Jodi does not go through that type but I will comment on that in the morning the change that needs to be made or rather the design elements structural elements that need to be clarified is that from ground to ability to grab also needs to be that seven and a half feet tall so as to prevent somebody from basically doing a long bar kind of situation and if there were buttresses where the diagonal elements are those have to be even geared up so basically somebody figures in and you can travel around so in essence making sure that whichever way we go we're not creating an attractive climbing situation so we're sure we'll set this a big yes I just to add to that people understand this one would stay in the original position of Flanders Park where we had wanted them to go it's just that the first one we have to be moved because of the that we needed to have for this management but that one will be right here as we've seen it so and we are in multiple places I've already discussed and voted on in a group the concrete from both sides this is if you will have a round situation so we'll more concrete to come to the base platform if you will of this Evo so it's a client so that's where we are the goal is like Susan said to have all of the information and in the early September it goes back through the internal committee as per our public places guidelines and then once all of those folks sign up which is basically procurement, risk management, city attorney's office and parks department as soon as they say yep yep yep on all of the details then we'll move forward so by so hopefully by this meeting next month we have a fleshed out project for you that's been last by all and then the recommendation will come forward for you to such a to last months not today good good questions about me this is it's artists under contract peace under contract yep so it is on its way to the mayor did you talk about it in the last week that I was last oh yeah we looked at it did anybody want to get up on that you know but just Angela did get the composition changed so the birds are kind of facing each other which I thought was a great idea yeah so I think it'll be more more eye catching if the birds are all just going so he didn't even I'd say we're all on top that's great it was a great idea and he's having more puppy birds yeah yeah yeah fun fun scene all right I hope you guys got your okay so seven thousand eight hundred seven seven thousand eight hundred sixty-seven wow that's great so we first had and it was almost a 1550 split from in person to online so it wasn't seven thousand because I just had to take the seven hundred in person votes then maybe I made that seven no no no no oh no no individually unique votes so every voter had an option five so take so how many voters we had versus how many voters were to be here so what did you say seven thousand eight hundred seven thousand eight hundred votes yeah sorry no that's okay seven thousand seven thousand I'll let you know I quantified it all but they did luckily because of our friends in communications they had to wait for Sydney, thank you very much for putting in all of the individual emails and it was a kid we wrote this was a kid vote and then cross reference to people who voted online I can tell you there are shameless people in this world that just must have a fright or something and they put in totally fake email addresses and vote the same one over and over and over again so we wrote those and we have a very fun way of doing it in cross-referencing emails it's yours in the future and anyway so after all of that filtering the ones that were chosen and we took the top seven and there's reasoning for this received in the range of three hundred individually given votes so this one is by role you got some chosen locations yeah I expected not popularly the map for you guys to put them on there but I will yeah okay this one the next view is from the top of the mountain once you reach it because it's hard to come that one is who's guys part it's interesting because most votes across the board and that's the other funny thing is that online votes and in person votes it's almost it's close it's almost you know exact one, two, three, four questions it's very close it's very close this one's gonna go with my polls oh okay yeah so when we did the call for entry we asked for an homage to for you to consider not require you to consider an homage to long long power and we received one guess one 35 who took that into consideration so here it is that's gonna also go for the rest of the polls from here that it's a brain building and it's really close there's a power thing and the artist did say that she will change it so when the things are green or because that's incorrect but did you did you give our locations to powers because this one we wanted in the on the blocks that they hadn't prepared yet we wanted a little bit farther and I have to try to it's like it's like the next year we can put one there but it's it's sort of shaken by trees and you can really only see one side you should drive by and yeah it's gotta be a specific design for that because really this is not for we actually we need to get back together because this should be voted I need to read but any so there's a power box so so it's my favorite so this one's a little special no you go ahead so we have a person who works with City of Longhorn who does a little training and what not and she used to be on this committee yeah she was one of our she was she was a great person she was a professional she's going to use this box as a SOP for shocker SOP is basically a how to all the good processes and procedures which she writes and which she does going through shocker so this box will be fated according to the processes and procedures and such like a good video so the only way because of the city charter it is actually against the city law for a staff person to be a vendor for the city as well and so I spoke to the city attorney's office and said how is it that we can push this through he said well it has to fit within their scope of work and so I was like well I work on calls do you provide the box how do I paint it what is the size Julie is going to write that so we she'll get the piece in the collection we'll use our LPM contract that the city has to basically make a training video and then we'll upload it to our website and when people say how do I make a box here you go here's Julie teaching you how to do a scale drawing how to skate you know all these things so wait wait wait 17th and call here oh wow hello can I say the mushrooms is actually going to be on over across from the precinct oh all the time the cold skin the 17th and call here I thought are you sure it's not here down town she can sell some of the food I want you to understand so yeah because 17th and call here we thought was not appropriate sizes we don't have a box for that we didn't choose that one sorry okay this is the mission of nutrition oh yeah it's right on school it's very near the high school down the street from the high school in front of the middle school that's on Centennial yes all of the diseases they choose so cute so cute okay this is a treat to be an experience this is going from rainy meadows ride which is by Silver Creek I'll tell them in a couple of minutes there's a spot where they are going to ask you there's people on the left that's Spring Meadows it looks like a T-O right hahahaha Spring Meadows is going with 17 between trains that's one that has no room in that which we're not we do, we'll bring that back in a minute next block Laurel's at Laurel's it's the one that's on there which is Laurel's at Laurel's yeah so the question should we vote first or should we talk about this one first what let's vote first yeah so those are the seven top while hating with the chickens so you all get to do your mission as a choice which we narrow to the next five should we vote on the one of them seven of them oh yeah, those are running at the end so the seven that we just saw were a community did I have a vote? I hope that we accept these boxes for the 2022 shot art at the locations that we, that made start okay, we should pass thank you to the crew here's the question so what would happen if something since we accepted to the places that you listed what would happen if that doesn't work or they have to be switched around would we have to make another motion or something or can we just say so LBC has already given us this list so they've already made boxes I would say it probably is in the motion we probably shouldn't say in these exact locations but in these proposed recommended that's okay we suggest the locations so they're more over the owner contract but these artists, that's the motion to spend those funds for this purpose that's the piece of the motion the sponsor box and we so I'm not really going to pursue the fact that artists are very familiar with this program and several of them like to submit year after year after year and this one in particular has submitted year after year after year and three years in a row has been awarded a contract which the development of this program really was to be a stepping stone for artists with particularly within our community who are looking to get his public art and to exercise truly exercise an ability from moving from a small scale to a larger scale so I just put it out there to the shop art task force that I think a discussion of revising or considering the parameters in which the participants like for example as commissioners have a three year term until you're driven and you apply for another term for three years and then you have to take a year off it may be time to consider something similar so we have the availability for other artists to have a better chance of being awarded another example is this box this is the third year in a row this box has been submitted exactly the same and this is the first year that it was even opposed to come through I think that's a little bit different try trying to get it so I like this best work keep wins every time but I mean you get to know both every time but they're all the same they're all the same we have one downtown and this one is going to be on 17 west bank it's kind of everywhere now but it's an attractive formula blue sky, blue clouds pretty queries and our mission states have our public places that our goals are to diversify the collection and one thing we could talk about in the meeting was you brought the thought about being in but we didn't want to institute where you know, putting the box and putting yourself right out so that was the thing was like rainbows and suddenly one year you have twelve rainbowl boxes all over and also and you know I wonder if I would as interested in how to say this in limiting like giving people up through your window if this fans were all the same you know I mean if you did something like really different if an artist does three different boxes every year and gets I mean in three second years and gets selected every time it's really different but we still be having the same conversation well I feel like with that being said I still feel like if you said this though obviously the town loves it people really enjoy it so I feel like it don't think that would be quite fair on their own terms but I think that going through what it would be like you can only win three times every five to six or ten years or something like that people can get their art out and you can recognize it and it's kind of fun to be like hey I know that person's got another box on this street I don't know I've kind of I saw it anyways but at the same time you can get really overwhelming too at the same time and not be fair to the others so that's just my opinion and how many total boxes do we have to submit? will they all look that way public or do we need some help? all the world will look that way public thirty five will submit it and the world will look that way sixty six or seventy yeah we're almost to seventy because we have to agree that it's not a mission it's in the mid sixties now so is there any way to maybe talk to others since it came like you have three that are available or do we need to I don't know I think we need to be equitable so whatever we do we're also subjected like how do we do that well we could do that could be equitable as winners this year have to take a year off and then they come back and get another opportunity to take a year off I think that's the best way super care and this has to be a policy for the next year we wanted to do a thousand dollars for boxes far more than anyone doing this program anywhere else and it's all mine I can't go to all the towns to do it right especially as you've seen this program it's obviously ground year to year and there's way more people and especially as more kids and whatnot also figure out that they do this too and it's just like to be fair across the board I think that's the best solution it's to be one money that they can out of that person you're on you're off here's one more point that is really important for this conversation in November City Council is putting on ballot what's called housekeeping bill and a bit of auction so you should just look into it for yourself but in the Angelo way of thinking about things there are a number of pieces of a city charter which hang up or could be done and one of them we have talked about which is the IGA every time we want to work with a school we have to get an intergovernmental agreement which has to be signed by the mayor by City Council so we have so many schools that come to us who want to do this and we can't because it takes our effort to get through that process they're about to slash it so that I won't broke them and again I'm going to watch it but like way that you're working with a governmental agreement and it's under a certain amount of dollars and liability is just Harold is going to put a designee on it so like Kim and he's going to say any shop are going forward that you want to work with a school all that has to happen is your board approves and Canada approves and I Harold say five thumbs up and so that means that this program come next year opens up for schools so so that so this will be it's a good time to make confidence and changes so however you want to move forward but to change this program as it sits down before next year it does need to go and also if you did want any sort of theme you don't have to do that now but it makes sense so I have to make a motion that any whether it's this year or following year going forward so if anybody wanted to move to or did not win Harold is a broad man to say if you win in a particular year then you must take a year off while you can save a loss you make it more general go ahead and make the first part the same process so either on your off go forward start now second all favor anyone opposed right now the fun side more fun hey missioner's choice ready for your options there are five option number one who's brave and of course they've already picked up the boxes so sorry I can't go back number two number two later three the beat box four they're here number five and he did say this is the front apparently that I studied is like super famous in our industry so technically this is the front yeah yeah should we start at the beginning hey you're great well yeah I like this one but since we have Houston it's our big statement piece I don't know I think we should honor these because they are such a part of our latest game and I don't know if I actually could see it at all and then I hit it so I love this one yeah yeah yeah yeah why why the beat box that's the same reason same these are both representative of Longwood since we were a big party this says cute things but I can't read the words the beat box the beat drum the beat drum the sugar beat there's so many sugar beats here I like that it represents Longwood we know where the box is going to go with the instruments yeah South Sunset I don't know South Sunset and that's right I asked her blues that's right it's a nice old one so we talked about ease and beats maybe we'll go back to this one number two, layers unsure if she or he can replicate the shadow on the box from all the layers about where they've been on it airbrush airbrush is on the left anybody who doesn't know about this program so where's all you yeah nose spray or whatever that's okay there's your ear that's so cute that's really cute That's really good, but it's a much of the other space one, because she was like, you know, love? No, it's not at all. No, that's branded, you know? Yeah, that's branded, the color of this is... Hell, it's easy to do it. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. I think this is really fun. I think it's been really fun. And then... Oh, sorry, actually, this one's very easy to do. Right. Not really, but yeah, I like this one. Okay. You can learn it. Thank you. Yeah, that's right. So, you have one vote. Angela, show the box. Raise your hand if you can do it. I like that one. Okay, let's do it. Do you have a question? No, I was going to do it. You're going to do it. All right. Wait, wait, wait. Do we need to say one more time? Yes, really good. All right, number one is use. Uses. Pieces. Okay. Layers. Layers. That's number two. Three, beatbox. And I should say, if it was a deal breaker for you, I can't read that, but I love it. That is absolutely a design modification. That is very fair. Okay. I'm just saying. Okay. Before is, they're here. It is eyes. Ready? Goose. And don't look at it. Okay. Goose. All right. Layers. Is he zeroed out? Beats. What? I don't know. I don't know. It's an eye for the eye. There are theory, aliens. Two. Three. Moral, theory on the aliens. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. Change. try it again. This is where Julie is going to totally help us. Most of the time people are driving by, so you know, curses are not going to work, and contracts here are not going to work, right? So yes, but why do you manage to compete for it, right? Yeah, so if you have modifications that you'd like to ask for, if I were you, I would require it, but I wouldn't ask for it. Which one? Which one? Which one needs to be your children's? Oh, yeah, yeah, keep it better. Okay, we need to do the quotient to accept our children's choice. All right, this is modifications. Would it be possible to suggest them? Which are? I'd love to be writer. All of those for you? All right. Jesus. All of them are on the playground. I think we should say any extension. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, I think so. Okay, awesome. Hey, what's up on? What's in it? Theresa. Pamela. We're all going to ask for the children's choice. Yeah, we're all going to ask for the children's choice. We're going to ask for the children's choice. Okay, what would it be, Matt? Oh, is everyone on the Facebook? Yeah. And such. And such. Oh, no, no, no, no. We're just going to do the shoe. Oh, super. Or a nice one. We're going to go to search. Roger. This is what they do. Oh, no. It's Thursday. You get to clean up on Fridays. Oh, there you go. Oh, I think I know. And it is quite a bit different because this dimension in actuality is like, weird. There's like, hardly any circle at all in the middle. It's only a half-quote. So these two heads are going to be a lot close together. Yes. But so Pallin isn't done a deal and she's doing the redesign to send, but it's going to be similar based upon the sludge of panel's comments of you, but we ask for less business. So it would be more color-blocked than we can paint. So that actually works to be able to do the sidewalk as well. So, different images chose it from this mural. We'll be able to do the sidewalk as well. And so the artist that I met today to do the site visit, if you've ever go there, there's eight cat for me. Five little, like, alcove kind of cat food things. So she's going to do the design for each five of those based upon images from this cat. And then also a little bit of theater that's on the southwest corner will be addressed. And sidewalks she's going to do all the way around and also address, like, individual four-by-four squares. So like a family or a kid or two friends who could each do, like, the design. It's going to be soon. I'm really excited to get started before she was good numbering the designs. So we'll be able to hand some of the paintbrush because it's yellow. It's a yellow that's number one. All of them. So it'll be easier to work with. The word is black. Isn't it? I know what it is. I'm going to get it somewhere. I don't know where I'm going to get it. Oh, right there. This kid is there. Right? Exactly. This part is using the proper model and tried. Have it tried. It's upstairs. It takes them home. I'm getting to go. I think work by work is good. And I've got enough so if we have to touch it up like if some kid doesn't saturate it enough it's a special thing for where they're outdoors where it's really good. And it's got great to it. So some people in our community have added heroin. I've seen what we've done and it's not only that. They added sand or they added almond shells. Because it's this urban myth which tells us the acrylic paint. So if it does the same thing, it does it. So this is great because if we can figure out this process we'll be able to share it with our community people. Because no one, no public art program has been able to figure out how to successfully do ground murals that hold up to UV and snow. But also then we'll test it on asphalt for back and forth. And the aim of course when you tell them if they ever want to do it they can do it. And she had even talked about subtracting some of these images and putting them around and then we'll do like a scene you can find. So you only put the QR code and it's there's 9 kites and there's 12 birds but also with all the basketball plus. So hopefully we can talk about four squared and hopefully we can figure out those. Awesome. So I hope you guys are free and everybody can wear any clothes and and you can email them. So if you can just well so the hardest concern right now is getting all of that out while it's done with people who will actually be cognizant of not spilling paint everywhere and I assure her we will have all of this on forever. So if anybody is available and is clumsy like me and will not spill paint and use some outlining that will be helpful. That will likely be on that Thursday or Friday at that time. Wait a second. First and second. September 1st and 7th. And then the community will be three through five so Saturdays and then Monday and the hardest job is to break down a schedule for me. How many people does she need? What does it look like? What are those shifts? Because she's done this before so she knows the tired about her plans for even one hour. So she's going to tell me exactly how to break down in days when she wants to have a break in between for herself. So that would be helpful. This is all in the Neighborhood Improvement Project grant. We matched the funds so the Neighborhood Improvement grant funds of artist fee and then our local places is taking care of the group forlets. We have to bring sinks. I have to talk to Waze Management about the disposal of brush stuff kinds of things and of course the administrative systems. And all here for a patient falls to us and also to the people in the kind of neighborhood. So we'll do a postcard that has a QR code for people to sign up. It will be by level and it will be mailed out to the community. We'll do social media next door and the communications department will help you with that. We're working on messaging books like but the design ticket for postcards is in queue. So it's been a fact that people are only going to hear about it pretty quickly but most people know if they're booked on Labor Day or not. So it's just a good way to do it. And we're not having a meeting before the floor. Do you want to raise your hand and just just see if you'll consider signing up. Let's do it the other way. Is there anyone who knows they can't be there on Labor Day? Sweet. Just sign up to volunteer and write in and don't wear your all these lines. We are going to need an emotion to accept the design. And that's with the model application. That's how it's important. Yeah. For this slide. For the postcards now is there any way to include like for the community like if you need anything to help the biases? I'm imagining it's all a little terrible. They might need a model application. Good question. Yes. Can you help me with what that language how to say that. So it is procedently. Let's talk about it. Absolutely. We have a second. We need to vote. Put your hand around. We're going to wait for you. How much of how much of our money is this? I don't know that. Well materials wise I think we're living less than 3,000. And then of course we have I don't know how much border lights are going to cost things that we're good on. So the matching funds was 4,000. That's what the artist is receiving for design will work. I need considering you know what square foot is a loan is one thing but then you think about the community added value. This is agreed. But they're going to be awesome. I'm not going to lie. We are going to run into something and it's going to be a little running to the hardware store figuring out that sponges work better than walls or you know something's going to happen right. Shhhhhh Shhhhhh Well I mean it's not it's not right. I was so excited. You know and I don't know what I want to know and I don't want to just we don't want these tables to be secure and dry. So yeah I don't get the specs but it's a company that we're already in. So I have the parts that were intended and I are going to have to make a list. Okay so Laura I'll talk to you in a minute. Thank you very much. Good time. 9 and 1 you're all the best. So has anyone Jennifer Miller been down there recently? Have you seen that it's been blue wash? Yes I've been there. I've seen your picture. Ta-da! I think that's the picture I sent you. What do you think? Excellent. The mirror is of course the design that has been previously approved as you'll recall from when this was previously approved the rest of the entire underpass got worse and so now of course it's the full length we put it on the together thing in Spanish and yeah the artist does not seem to understand your under contract with the artist I do think that there could be an added elements and again I can ask again I can tell you are English English so we so we went to I'm trying to recall exactly how I don't want to club it all up I went to the contact person with community services who speaks Spanish fluently and also is very aware of our global dialect which is really important just like the word translating and so we received what that would look like in sound like. The artist concerned and I don't want to misspeak but is that because this is under his name if he were partnering or collaborating with another artist and that was the messaging that is different than this and we're already under contract with this person so I asked him if he could subcontract and it's like on him and I think that there was someone he was going to reach out to to be fair that was quite a bit in a long time ago I can absolutely re-ask I can't be honest with those but it's just happening that such as how we actually the students are a lot of those you want to kibosh this you go on ahead that's a great thing I'm just curious before we started it was right it was well we met no before before maybe like but it was because then it was supposed to be painted and we weren't meeting in person nothing was happening and getting a community paint together in an underpass was absolutely bad yeah this has been fair and then of course since then it continued to get tagged and then also at the same time the city's her fee specialist had to leave the city and there was a very significant amount of time where there was no more so it got really bad which is why we're here today is now it's the entire living place whereas once upon a time it was just so on this contract there's a degree where there's a portion of it so that's why I said it's just wanting to be left completely out it's easy to continue this it's agreeable to working in situ with probably it's like key form and some new organics so this is a bit of what went on down here it's like rolling hills and these little mountain things and so I imagine as he walks it because his community paint whereas he's saving his money he's on the labor and his funding goes for his time and the walking and the facilitating right this is a blended aerosol as is the help that's on the other side I can dig and find it there won't be any of because that's completely process um this whole project is it's a real trick because it was initially painted in 2018 and wasn't covered in her face and so as so let's see my predecessor how could she leave early 2019 that's right early 2019 I came on board all of 2019 met all of you all we had grand plans and then coated it so so since that time then it's just kind of been this there he is so he has what's called mural shield on top of it mural shield likely not the product that we're going to use it's a subtractive product so now getting too deep into this imagine your surface then imagine a primer then imagine your mural oh no no I'm sorry surface surface first layer of shield primer, mural shield then when something bad happens you remove the sealant you face the mural you put the sealant back on you can do that as many times as you want remove the sealant, go back up trouble with it the layers are similar to like it's like a wax and so you get re-scolding and you just like hose that sticker down doesn't function most of the urban ruby most used is something that's not subtractive it's permanent and so you have surface, you clean that surface up really well you have primer, you have mural you have sealant you get spray paint on it you go with a power washer you blast it and nothing bad nothing is relative that happens to your mural you want to get the mural on it's the same last time so it's two waves of going when this project originally happened and it started to be like we need to take care of our mural we spoke with the people at Urban Arts Fund they said hands down do the work then if you're the best thing he does a lot of work so he's got to have as well and so who members on the mural that was one of the things that came up in the three final steps we talked about two of them are using the permanent solution it's better rated to be as well to be and one is using some other ground varnish and we are going with the permanent solution so I think that's the way we should go once this is done and that is a part of this project yeah this is covered in the subtractive so once we're done with this mural we'll remove the layers and then we'll put the permanent on top but it's all intact yeah so if you look down there this part if you look down there this part is a pretty good shape the elbow is a pretty good shape and that part right here but this is a new pass that goes under 9th Street at approximately Alpine it goes from the the ditch you know the old Iraqi ditch you're on the one side of the old Iraqi ditch and then when you come out of the tunnel you're on the other side of Alpine on the other side of Alpine back out so it is nice it's a great thing for the kids to cross there's a lot of kids who walk that way when they're in school because you're going to be along all that and people do walk along like me with with adults around the old Iraqi ditch and it has been a mess it has been a mess for a really long time I saw the arts put it up I've seen the material for this time I feel like I know this has been dragging on and it breaks my heart to say this in a way but I don't think we should do that with Spanish I don't think I think we will run into a lot of criticism that I do not want full public art in the long run I'm pointing at Randy I'll be there go ahead go ahead I agree we've made such an effort with New Zealand's sister cities project and it's so well thought out in that it really marries cultures and there's a lot of Spanish that will be included in this kind of that in that particular neighborhood the Alpine it's so Spanish it is so beautiful in Spanish and it breaks my heart too because those kids in the schools there are the translators and filmmakers and everything for their families whose mom gets chance to be a question only to them and they are to be so admired and I think it's kind of a slap not to see what you're saying all that added space and then to genuinely have a seat and walk together and then I've been working on this project for so long and I feel like it again is completely contradicting to what that actually is especially since we have all of that added space because I was feeling around 5 in 2021 and I was just thinking about this like so formally to go forward knowing that October 5 through 12 we could actually get this done we'll have to make decisions today that give me opportunities just one second what I would suggest then thinking about the way that it is is because we'd love to write choosing long line together going down one side and then and I will look up exactly what goes just from the end she just left she's still part of the long line from she left the city anyway and then have a Spanish translation of the other side tell me which one goes on which side or does it do this near business where it's long line together long line together I feel like long lines are walking one way and then long lines are walking the other way and then the long lines are so that's not this is where it's really tricky right that's not what she suggested at all and this was a very large conversation to the point where the artist felt comfortable yeah because he's the number one partner but we can't there's no way we don't have enough time to give another conversation this doesn't make sense give me a second why don't we talk about our number of people and table this for just a minute and see what we have to find is that alright then are you sure it's the same artist or city or what so we met with the first department city engineer contractor the selection committee task force and Angela and looked at the artwork we discussed what the artwork entails the around the building where we gather our people yeah the platform we stand on the mobile and sorry the artwork entails why it has to be the city the Army Corps of Engineers who walked out to the location on the peninsula where we want to put it everybody was in agreement that was a good spot that it could be done the engineers talked and the contractor talked about putting power out there because that would come and how big the vault was what could be salvaged with anything from the existing vault much discussion they gave us a completely ballpark very open just an estimate maybe price they're having to give us a quote at the end of 10 feet to 75,000 dollars to move this which is not surprising to see everything that has to go put it in the cement vault put a new hydraulic thing put a new decking railing around it and move the giant motor and wire it up to the hydraulic and pull electricity from the clubhouse so it's a big huge thing we are waiting for a real quote if he comes in this is a did you say city wide contractor yes he comes in with a reasonable bid which kind of falls in this price range we can accept it without asking for other bids from other guys because this guy is already working so that's where we're standing we're waiting for a call to see what and they thought it was going to do well and we discussed when we were bringing the artists to talk about just like the snake and the new vault and everything it sounded very encouraging to me and this was the price that I was kind of expecting to move this whole thing I thought it was going to be one now it's an ice wall they're just going to move we're going to move it out so that you can see it but it will be on if we're going to go and we don't know when this department engineer is going to do this but they can call up and say we're going to be there on Tuesday so we have no idea we do know that because it's engineer that now is more of a dam than it is a levy and that actually means something in the role of club mitigation so they're going through the steps and they said they're starting their process that doesn't mean construction destruction demolition starts which includes taking out anything that's in their way really not a spark and one of the good news is that if we build a new vault and get the thing on move our purpose here is to take down the old one we don't have to know oh and also we talked about the Saigon from the Saigon out to the thing, the ADA if they sounded like it could be done without I mean I don't see too much hassle because it's hassle with fully electricity and everything but they didn't say oh no no no what here is the person's vault 99 this is actually under water or is it no, maybe it's not under water maybe it's on the edge of the water the water comes up right here and we actually looked inside the vault and it's not just completely filled up with mud and dead animals like we got it's like I like to have my hands like right here it was it was there stuff was there it was not fun so and then does truly have to be involved we have to dig we have to talk to them about the process what happens there yeah so that's a really good question so before we mounted the city blood contractor I met with the city attorney the city attorney's office and the procurement department to review what his contract says and so his contract says for moving for city purposes we can move anything at any time but of course related to design changes and things like that it's preferable that we talk to them first so we're going to bring the reality of the situation to the artist which is it has to move it can't be on this path anymore so he can say I'm really upset that it's not on this portion of the path and the truth is it can't be so we're going to come up with the best possible solution that's off to the causeway on the north north kind of west east side and once we have all of the project work requirements everything absolutely has to happen and knowing what we can salvage which probably will not be we thought about railing we thought about some of the things to salvage it and what the engineering department and parks department said is since we're leaving the work piece it still has to be safe so the contractor is going to see about recreating the railing and stuff but at that point since it's not a necessity to move forward that's when we'll bring the artist and say these are the things that are required these are the things that we're outsourcing to recreate this artwork we're part of the options as you can participate add to the project etc etc but we want to have the scope of work for the construction and aspect of it pretty well locked down and then if you will kind of like involve the car menu of some of the other things that they could do if Tully wants to be involved and do that by all means and we'll subcontract him or even you know we would subcontract him or if the construction company would subcontract him probably is to do this amount of work but we just need to know what those two are supposed to do so what are the next steps we're waiting for a bid and if you do want me to get comparable if you need to get something comparable I can't help but say buy but the goal is to not have to pull an R and Q and basically go to bid with it's also fairly specific where on the commission it needs to be because there are the power lines that go over so it can't be too close to the if anybody's familiar with the kinds of wall it can't be too close to the circle part of the end it has to be like halfway down there's a bench right there so that would be nice have a bench right there so it's within it's within the power line how do you work on it? I will find out how much you gather if you want to go backwards and go there yes so the verges you need them that's alright yes so you gather the four of them and all of us together in one one if anybody had thought that we would make the together smaller and put the needle underneath so that they were stacked but I like their idea of lawn muck together and lawn muck needle because then if you're standing right here and you don't want to do it it says lawn muck and needle but if you're walking down there you can stay a second and see lawn muck together and I think because of where we are in this path if you put forth the suggestion with the availability and we can create the task force right here and now because I they know I have to go back will we just create any task force and give the task force our launch to make the decision including the if the artist says no if that is the case then the project can go and look at what it will take to go we can either make an amendment and extend the project I would bring back Tom maybe but if we get into if it's to move forward Spanish needs to be included if this is how we want it to look the motion could say that giving the task force right to the rest of the suggestions but on this topic we can go about using lawn muck we have to we need to we have to go about that so if we could fire a big motion that we do lawn muck together on the left hand side which would be going from to the west east and on the other side we would be going in the other direction we would be like that so if I make that motion and we go around it you just ask the artist what are they willing to do now if you would first before putting forward the motion decided upon a little task force I'm sorry Eddie I just wondered if there would be the same length for all of this they are which is going to be that's going to be the design challenge that the artist and the task force are going to be charged yeah it's basing and just all that the words will not go all the way through it's a long one I mean it's that 9th, it's like 4 or 5 I think it's 200 it's 250 linear so maybe a shoulder or a hat or anything I know it's semantic but I think it's important for the words to I mean long on together is different than long on united and I think if we're putting something in Spanish instead of the English that could create an idea and just don't find that we're different or we don't get the same language so this is exactly what we're concerned about is that there needs to be an authoritative figure who is not just a high high speed Spanish right or a budget Spanish artist like in fact someone who is within our community who is ingrained in our community who for corporate recommendation which is what this is so I can go back and say kind of like the essence of what the questions were to get to this but the artist, I think that's what we need to give the artist the ability to work with this person of what that translation that they feel comfortable doing because it's completely possible that the artist yet again says I don't speak Spanish this isn't my culture I need to be working with somebody to put this artwork forward that has my name on it right I would suggest we get him and call Ganna up and say hey Ganna either you or you need to know someone and put that together what we can't do in this amount of time is go under the contract does that make sense but that's a really very very good and valid point I think that's my work so are you saying that the current artist would have been in the contract with him but Ganna would be a subcontract to him if he set the contract that's what I thought you were saying it would go with him so this motion right is going to have to be pretty serious over the next on both sides what have we had the school that's closest by the kids that are just over we don't have you would need an IGA we can't involve the school without the internet but maybe they should but we couldn't do anything online we could just say what we did with the checkbox school issues no no no we don't have time so Shahar is a very strategic very calculated way of taking votes and actually applying them to make a decision what we did for the mural art was ask for feedback that is possible but when people feel like their feedback is a vote those are two very separate things this is a design decision from an artist that is an instinct right so we want to make sure that we're empowering the artist that we already have under contract with a design that we've already voted on and approved and also making some changes and also staying on time on it or not or saying if we can't make these design decisions within this timeline we need to extend the time then we have a blue underpass until the spring and the very earliest let's say May because the occasion or paint has to have a certain amount of it can't be freezing right very important yes so you know or the way that you decide to move forward needs to lend itself to have enough hours over the next month or ends I guess so we either can find a path forward with the selection panel and get there so we can publicize the needed paint or we come back to September and say we have to wait until next year this is not a little thing this is not a little thing to do something something that at this rate my recommendation is to take a look and wait until the spring thank goodness we have to understand that a lot of the artists might not be available in the spring I mean we have to wait until the art of time to be available the artists may cancel the contract yes I mean we have dates for that so but that's not and that's okay okay we should at least try get a motion in their hands the most part it looks like all the letters are usually like these over the ends so wouldn't it be possible like most of it is all behind the line you see what I'm saying like the cloud if he said this is what we'd like to do with this artist and we have a task force that will turn to what we say on the other side of the wall and if you say no then we would just ask that you leave this much space put the background there and we'll do the words is that a bunch of he's the I don't know I'm pretty sure if you met somebody else I think their arm is you know he's got like she said he's got a snake on it and then we have a task force to cancel how do we go about this motion can I make a motion to can I make a motion to ask the artist to change the wording on the mural with to be inclusive to to add in tanish what would be together or appropriate translation by locally appropriate translation locally appropriate translation for the for the underpass this is a tunnel one too it's determined by a local task force as determined by a local task force the task force is determined the words as approved by as approved by the one application you might say you have three options up there you might say it will be no more than X number of laps he has a guidance I don't I think this is the space I think I think you should because we have one month together on one side and one month it doesn't matter if they match up no it's an extra word you're joining the expenses and you're reading it over from here it's extra work to do two words right that's why I'm trying to say that we should bound it to two or three words because he might know what I'm actually going to say a paragraph in Spanish I'm a block element I agree the original ten one month together on one and then to be determined by the one month a task force and we may come over and may have to push back its own thing in spring 2020 I know I think I need paraphrase oh she has paraphrase I can't do that the food has to go themselves you guys should bring that up on this so yeah you can just get that without being on hard yes so I think I have it we're going to Paniel's going to make a motion to suggest an inclusive addition period to add a Spanish locally appropriate translation that bodies the original intent of the message as a group by the public places task force that is amazing cool we're going to go into secondary motions are we good I know I second that motion all members raise your hand please all the votes there's one task force because then the other thing to remember who had said it here we did this design here that's not power watching that's nothing right this is where some power watching when there was no graffiti specialist gently take it off the mural they just posed it down and the mural is now missing so what it looks like now of course just blue so even this design that was approved that has these little things like all that green the green hillies and all that that's not there anymore it's just blue so the new design is going to even have to go further than this right it's going to need some more palm bronze and you know XYZ XYZ et cetera et cetera to move forward it's going to be an argument good job alright well you're in silos but I did we didn't have somebody while I was on vacation to go take a look at so I just don't know so I asked the communications department to come and talk to us about the changes that they in look to make good website and maybe more social media so we'll be based on some of the conversation that I had last month and just being cognizant of folks' time there was a number of people who wanted to share some of their personal social stuff that would fall outside of our business so I wanted to suggest I actually need to get it on a calendar but we forgot this room and the museum come fall because we're busy on Thursdays I don't know if anybody knows there's a man programming anyway so we're likely gonna start having to share this room a bit with the green room people who you know go on then go on stage because this is the only access to the back of the house but if we wanted to have a little of this one or another one from 536 but I don't want to put it on the museum calendar but we're actually not going to do it so just thoughts I love this idea because I'd like to come early anyway it's nice to be able to talk to people about stuff first before you sit down here as long as it's not our public business so this is completely personal and social not public business so well before this I talked to several people about viruses we went through shocker stuff so it needed to be presented at the meeting but it wasn't actually day of the business are you saying that's not a lot so the stuff that you and Randy and I did for shocker you're the task more so technically I shouldn't have done that I should have arranged that but as a social as long as the decisions are being made as long as you're not talking about the weight of money that could be spent all the things that fall under color out of sunshine and other weight loss but really more just like you know I wanted to show you guys pictures of the massive fish that I caught and no one would be like that's when the kids were so sick oh man I wanted to show you that with this 30 minutes or some public art right like that's what this was I'm still broke you don't need a motion I'm just going to extend this meeting now or social time I'm going to talk to myself for half an hour it's one or one okay okay yeah the requirement for your art and public business starts at 6 meeting starts at 6 but there will be an open availability and I'll have my computer so if you just want to share pictures of you know you want to see my fish I can walk in there I can have it so we can all you know jump and tell you know okay great yeah cheers for you all of us okay executive team meets now October which means that in September you will go through all the projects for 2023 that are looking like things are going to happen I promise I will bring the list of your task courses so we can look at it again and then executive team of course one of their charges is we'll be looking at the budget and private investment projects so okay I'll send it to you but just know that October preferably before okay okay okay then December the profit cancel that meeting and do all the projects and then without being and do all the gathering. So, I mean, we have scheduled it for to be on the night when we can meet as people already have that available off our calendar. So just to thought that that's about it. Should be something. Here, here, any comments, any questions? Let's start with one question. What about the spoke project? Are we, it was involved since our next meeting is the middle of September. It all goes well with the artists. Are we even going to set a volunteer list for what are they need? I don't think that. But honestly, on what most of volunteering, they'll have everything barricaded off. It would probably be people at the bottom just black and they'd be trying to ask or answer questions. But I don't follow him. He's gonna be on the lift most of the time. But it is quite disruptive when people are standing at the bottom like the building and stuff. So we have time to just kind of be there and check it out and use this message out when it starts going. And yeah, that's what we're trying to do. We have a lot to do on it. I was kind of gone for half of this one. So, I'm almost half of it. Totally. Well, I kind of think, yeah, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't speaking on that. No worries. Yeah, but these meetings, it's not on these, you sign up and then you can start. Anyone else? I have one. So, I was in the melt states for the store the other day and on the wall was a Goose future from all the East. We're originally, so I took from German, I said to you, so we'll do that. It's that sort of like, yeah, because of the forest lights but you can show everybody what they look like. I think we have one in our house. I don't know how many we should. I'm pretty sure we do the original poster of who's praying. And we have the close car boat too. Yeah, so I'll try and put my desk in my desk so I'll try and put my monitoring in. Yeah, a lot of them though, it's just two more. Right, most of them. The majority of them. So, I just wanted to add a little bit to that. Well, they were, they were, but not here in the shade, they were five or less. And then the other one I had for you was, I said to you an email with the snapshot of what shows up in the Google Calendar. So we talked about last time we get on the museum calendar. I don't know if that would populate any of our events, but my question was, how would communications group, how do we get our events, you know, or our calls or whatever to show up because it's appropriate on that calendar? Yeah, I don't know how about Google Calendar but I sent them the note that we would like to be included in the museum calendar and then definitely speaking, we're interested in bolstering our presence. So it's a public thing, isn't it? Like, well, we're paid too many for the program. Yeah. We're paid too many on the, I sent you an example of what shows up, I actually sent you that, the art walk, one that comes up. Right. And that is the whole metro period of how old you are, so you can search for a lot of them. So just so that you're not simply used, that's fine. No. Just a quick announcement before our next meeting on September 10th at art walk, which will be, of course, downtown. It's my annual date of evaluate for the new judge of the best smitter and the best smitter. Oh. It's real close. Oh, yeah. I have a standard category. Oh, yeah. And we met and they didn't reach out to us for a food this year. That's a long year here. I had COVID last year, so you guys all did. Yeah, I'll be there. You know, that's what we do in the hall. Yes. I'm just gonna say that. Unfortunately, it's not as solid. Isn't it? Is it 10? It's the first one. Is it 10 or 10? Well, I don't know. I'll reach out to Firehouse and ask if they technically can't buy booths, but they've always been happy to have us present. Do you have a plan? Well, what do you do? I don't know. We took two booths. We took two booths. I don't know. Who wants to be on our watch, ladies and gentlemen? I do. I do. I love it. We have a booth. I do. Okay. I can't. I'm driving. Is there anybody who's interested in, like, spearheading our walk activity? Laura, awesome. Thank you. Do you know why we're not at enough? Sorry, Elaine. No. Okay, that's fine. We will work together and we will figure that out. I'm glad you said something, Jennifer. I was too super. I know. Yeah, that's something to be honest with you. Well, I don't know. I'm both the emcee and the judge. That's awesome. All right. Do we have something else to talk about? We will adjourn at 7.59.