 Hello and welcome to e-app mini catch-up actually probably call this like the end of the Ragnarok official ending it rat Ragnarok, Ragnarok, Ragnarok. Yeah, we're gonna be checking out the messages that we had over the streams because obviously yes all three streams were extended and we were unable to get to them as quickly as we could. That's true we were jam-packed with think well y'all know why you all know why and you had plenty to say so we're gonna have to get through all that. Yes but before that we're just gonna check out that Mr. Synthetic Man had commentary for the video of course that's kind of imagine how he's gonna have responded to it but it happens to be the last two minutes in a new video we put out so we can give it a little look see I imagine well it's that time Lee the happiest with the coverage I can't imagine like he's ever happy not the happiest guy now obviously that that e-fap episode by the way this is kind of me talking to the audience right now you guys fucking really like that one holy shit not only like the re-watching of that episode by a lot of you but again all kinds of messages about how it's like everyone's favorite episodes so apparently we're not quite dead yet as a as an IP the old e-fap you know we'll put out some good episodes apparently. Can't say I'm surprised I figured that would be a pretty popular fun one that people would really like. Got a lot of ups and downs so to speak it was a quite an adventure anyway for those who are familiar with it this is apparently his response to what happened so let's have a look see. Cringe moments there were multiple woke moments that were obnoxious. God of War Ragnarok. What a great story I'm just trying to get to a different section right now. I won way too many awards but at the very least Elden Ring One game of the year so it's not like it was terrible. Now normally I would end the video here but as you may have heard there was some recent controversy involving me apparently for whatever reason a podcast called e-fap that I know many of you heard whatever whatever reason for whatever we already know you know you know they mentioned us why they need to mention this like yeah podcast called e-fap you know yeah what is that a channel that is in my recommended like by feeds whose hosts I specifically call out by name Mahler in particular whose episodes I claimed to have declined since Wolf had left which by the way my people may think like maybe you forgot what e-fap was no he's actually because there's a thing I was cursed to have watched all of his streams he talks about some recent e-fap episodes in one of his streams he talks about the philosophy to one he said he watched oh yeah yeah that's right destiny like right right off the bat just just try to come across as the cool guy was like what what is this what is this e-fap thing I don't know what what's that I mean also I don't know all of the the things about the hosts personally that I would make fun of yeah we have a clip of you you specifically said that if you came on you would say you know what to make fun of each of us for whether it's Jay in the trans stuff whether it's me and the not being straight I'm sure with Fringian Mahler he is plenty to say but come on you you can't try and be just a weasley little liar dude yeah when you you know don't act like you don't know because then of course you know we all know what he knows why would he be like why are they responding to my videos like yes e-fap's not known for responding to videos that have differing opinions or anything that's not like no it was predicated on especially not always I was it was a thinly veiled thing at the end of his like Ragnarok video and then yeah on top of like all the times in street when you shitting on you and a lot of people actually yep I would end the video here but as you may have heard there was some recent controversy involving me apparently for whatever reason a podcast called e-fap that I know many of you have heard of decided to make a video on my god of war Ragnarok review which honestly I don't really have a problem with as I've said many times of previous videos I don't script my reviews they aren't particularly well stop it stop it yeah the thing where you explain the reason why they're riddled with flaws well as opposed to trying to be better as the game desperately tried to explain like if you're gonna do it a certain way you need to own the fact that people are gonna respond to the things that you said in that video whether they're true or not they don't care how hard you worked on it they don't care what your methodology was all they care about is whether the things you said were accurate or not that's it and they were almost exclusively not accurate edited either and that's very much on purpose so I'm sure they get pieces of their exact but it's on purpose and he's the one who said yeah I know I get things wrong all the time and that's I'm not gonna change it why these can't really use this as a lot of logic to me I make it in a way that results in many flaws so like why what's the deal guys like why would you respond to it almost by implic like that's almost the implication leave me alone I feel like he's pretending as though there's not great okay well we said it when we were covering his videos just like if you're going to accept that your methodology results in significant errors then you have to expect results that include people basically pointing out how wrong you are right that's that's like that's how you made it like that's it's that simple nobody really cares like how you made it or how long you spent working on it all they care about is what is apparent in the video that's it yeah as I've said many times the previous videos I don't script my reviews they aren't particularly well edited either and that's very much on purpose so I'm sure they could pick it to pieces if they really wanted to do they could they could destroy it they wanted to if they really want to like okay what what do you what what is what does that even meant to me like I recognize that it is so deeply flawed that it could be torn apart currently probably wouldn't be hard for even me to do that to my own videos the whole idea of that is that like us we're supposed to be very good critics of ourselves we have that running at the all the time all the processes why why like yeah I could have ripped apart my own video if I wanted to it's like what we should have done that in the editing process that's part of making the good video and so I popped into the stream for about 10 minutes and what did I discover that Mahler had watched up to 20 hours of my God of War Ragnarok yeah you can already detect the tone I'm being shamed for this on eye yeah how dare he watch my stuff what a loser he is to watch my screen money like some of some of his audience surely watched his whole God of War Ragnarok life right that's kind of like the point of the audience would he look at the audience and go wow you watch 20 you know I mean like why he's constantly devaluing his own content but not in the way that we do because his content shit it's that like I can't believe anyone would actually like how terrible would it be I got to be able to denigrate Mahler for watching my stuff but I'm not gonna think about what that says about my audience that would be I'm sure the framing is gonna be that I'm obsessed or crazy or I guess it's kind of funny though right it's like you watch 20 hours in my live stream it's like yeah and you played the game for 20 hours like it's such a like people I guess it's doing the motivation farming shit that I've always hated but it's just like if only they knew the truth which is I was watching his video and I was like I wonder I wonder how he played the game helps me a lot about someone in terms of what they think of the game when I can see their entire playthrough oh he streamed it I guess I could watch it while I'm sorting out like how I'm gonna edit together his initial video and the future video so that like the whole reason of that all happened the way that it did is that I didn't want to have us basically like you know when he says like Odin offered a really great deal he should have taken it then we do all the the responses that he even his fans gave him and then he responds to that in the later video if I played the whole full video then then we'd have to repeat all of the topics as we come back to them in terms of responses I figured why wouldn't I just do it one by one that makes the most sense and then of course if ever I found stream footage that completely counted his opinions on what was happening in the game I couldn't help but put them in to be like this guy's lying to you by the way I popped into the stream for about 10 minutes and what did I discover that Mahler had watched up to 20 hours of my God of War Ragnarok streams and edited together a hit piece on me so if criticism and hit piece just let me know if yeah also if if it's just a description of the things that you do if it's just your own clips if that in and of itself is a hit piece then it does say a lot about you would describe that as a cell phone right like if yeah that's that's that's a good way to describe it so yeah if you just want to be playing as a hit piece against you okay dude interesting yeah pretty much like you can call it a hit piece if you want but it was it was it was work and it was a response to how bad you are as a game reviewer and then just highlights of how awful your personality is if that's what a hit piece is I guess the motivation would be like malicious but it was just this is this is stuff that I found I wanted to show other people it was all not it's factual so from his stream really understand like what's the problem you put your stuff yeah you know instead of actually spending that time making videos for that so first of all that is a video I made yeah that there's a video it was also it's not only a video you got to essentially double dip with it because in and of itself it is a very interesting observation on this character this synthetic man guy it's also the blueprint for a stream which is our job this is a weird jab wait it's what he already said this in the on the screen yeah I think YouTube videos don't last they're just yeah it's just the criticism of molar is that he doesn't make videos anymore right he's lazy and a fat complacent like just sitting on this pile of money that he does from this little dragon to be dragged it's kind of like you're you're almost trying to simultaneously imply laziness while shitting on somebody for spending a lot of time on a task yeah he's yeah exactly he's he spent 20 hours isn't that crazy that he did all this work instead of doing all this different work it's really something that's that's that's good to do is to like sit with your thoughts and try to reconcile incompatibilities between friends like oh you already said you could tear apart as he could even tear apart his stuff if he could be asked to but he doesn't he just wants to really really really annoyed that you did sorry I was watching you I wanted to take you seriously I wanted to see what arguments you had I was told by many people you had the best Ragnarok criticisms they were awful not the first time we this has happened to us though for his channel I wish I was joking but seriously they didn't just watch my review and the response video Mola was editing the stream to make you look bad I would love to actually have you explain how that's the case the problem is I couldn't edit it any other way it was impossible with the clips I had is how do I make him look good it's what he says it's his opinions they're awful they were really bad they were uninformed they were contradictory a lot of them were just lies also he's foul like what do you want to do with all that I can't show his video in any format that makes him look good not my fault yeah what we're out of context other people use for the last Jedi and rings of power on them can you like sort of just what what what is the deal like what does everything have to be built through these weird lenses I've seen loads of this like wow so more is using the same arguments that if you so I've seen the one where it's like do you remember the not so great debate where the guy said he's old Mola has used this as a defensive Kratos that it's been a long time since the original trilogy it was like wait they skipped the part where I was like that time was filled with development that we played through as the everyone forgets the end of God of War three bad exactly I was about to say the hugely important part is that God of War three kicks off the arc that he goes on in these two games like it's a giant magical sword I think beginning of the change in the character whereas what happened with Luke is that he was super duper happy and then saved the day and then we see nothing and then he's a hermit miserable asshole who abandoned his family and the galaxy yeah exactly we didn't get any of that information and it was a much shorter period of time as well we got we got hours upon hours upon hours of all these like discussions and inspirations he's had from all these different and we've got exactly retrospective information with Faye even in those few scenes a little bit of insight into how that relationship would have would have fed into the arc that he goes on it's not comparable this is like the tribalism shit man like if you disliked last Jedi and brings a power then you should dislike Ragnarok the thing is plenty of people are out there who are like no that's not how that works I don't have you saw one of the top comments I read was like why is he saying if you're right wing you should dislike Ragnarok like I'm right wing and I do not like feel that way I was reading stuff like that I was just like that's gonna be weird right like what the idea you're being like or dislikes being gay kept on your fundamental beliefs about life through a video game because of a game that you like yeah it's fucking bizarre but yeah I mean sure don't watch the coverage just go from what one person said in a comment oh no he was by what the other people said in the comments where they were like thoroughly impressed with the coverage the streams of the thoroughness of it the stream clips weren't additional context they were actually taken out of context so when he says the enemies are spongy and then I show clips of him saying he doesn't understand the mechanics he doesn't use the moves that explicitly say they deal more damage and he doesn't understand how to use certain moves because there's too many buttons you understand that his criticism that the enemies are too spongy is worthless it might be true you're adding context yeah that is additional content tells you how he constructed this opinion how was it not additional like it's it's categorically additional context it explains a lot about the argument that he made in his video and then trying to bandwagon with like oh the puzzles they're way too easy to solve and they give you clues anyways was pointless like everyone pretty much agrees with the criticism but then you see him solving the puzzles and like holy fuck dude people like you or why the devs made it this way well I thought we all agreed I thought we all understood the problem with the dean takahashi like cuphead thing I thought we did too yeah stood what that meant which if we don't the reason why it's really bad to see dean takahashi unable to complete the tutorial level in cuphead is if he made a review of that game it'd be worthless to me we're just not playing it the same way we're not on the same level of play you have to have some level of expertise in what you are yeah so like if I if you were to alternatively watch somebody who was able to play a game at a super high level of play that they could play it on a really hard difficulty pull off all of these crazy combos or something you'd be able to it's like oh you understand the game you have like a greater understanding of the game you probably have insights to offer that I wouldn't be able to pick up because I'm not as good at you with this like if you're like incapable of even playing the game at a base level anything you say about the game has to be filtered through the lens of oh but that was how you played it which is not going to be the way that I played it it's kind of the difficulty of like reviewing video games that you don't really have with something like a film or a television show where like I guess everybody has different levels of understanding about like the material in the story but there's no like skill influencing you know somebody's perspective on the mechanics like there isn't a video game I thought we all understood like what the problem was there I hope it wasn't just lol he sucked at the game haha like I hope it wasn't that simple people say like so if ever against sponsorships I was like did you listen to anything we said like anything at all no I'm pretty sure that we explicitly said like if you're gonna take a sponsorship taken from like if it's a good sponsorship that's good if it's a bad sponsorship that's bad you can take a sponsorship from Raid Shadow Legends especially people have no idea like have no interest or understanding of gaming as an industry and they're just like I don't know it's a product it's and it works they don't know like the predatory nature of mobile gaming and stuff but you can't have a guy who's like I'm the real dude about video games and everyone else just sell out your left man and then and then you chill for one of the like notoriously terrible games ever and then apparently the following video is like it's bad by the way don't go get it hmm well too late you already recommended it to me and I tried it so sponsorships are fine uh I thought we all knew they're for good things you've added well I should say sponsorships are neutral it's it's you need more information they're neutral they are absolutely neutral it depends on how you approach it and especially how it slots into your broader statements and goals as a creator so um oh yeah the other thing I was going to say as well like just because we that's like a gameplay example uh in in the puzzles and the combat but then also the story example right where he was saying like he was talking about one of the better seeds of the game he like complimented like two or three of them but he said like my initial grievances with this whereas the Treyas was being condescending and then I just showed like his actual commentary from that scene where he was like the characters are being assassinated right like what I think I'm glad you brought that up because looking at that last sentence the stream clips had no place being included because reviewers is actual thoughts up to completing the game it's like now it may well be the case because of course like the thing that you think first ideally if you're like you know trying to be really thorough in creating a review you might figure out things about a game or a story that are better or worse after you play through it your thoughts kind of coalesce you get them organized you know there's something to be said obviously about like uh like a definitive statement on something after spending a lot of time thinking about it and working through those thoughts but it's a little bit awkward when somebody says I initially thought this in their final review but then they said something totally different when they initially saw it it's like hmm that doesn't hmm you know he made a claim about what happened when he first consumed it that was just false and I and that's that's the point of seeing that it's like he's lying to you he launders his opinions to be more acceptable and remember he's not going to put in the video by the way guys I think you're part of the industry's problems if you listen to dialogue because that's a batshit insane take that is an insane thing to say if you don't think it's insane then you you have an issue you have a problem and by the way like I remember seeing on on his video as well it's like oh so they're uh they're complaining about you not taking it seriously not listening to dialogue and not like engaging with the game on its terms and yet they did what they did with the last of us two and I'm just saying they're like what engaged with it on its terms what I did we were totally we were listening why do we think we were able to give it such a comprehensive breakdown we listened we paid attention that's how we knew it wasn't good that your references are accurate like oh yeah most important thing I guess that's something that we didn't make clear to people as they even if it's something that we think is probably gonna be bad going in we do listen to it we give it its time of day that's how we know if that it's good or not at the end because we're not always because obviously you can't base your opinions off of just what your first impressions or your desires will be you have to actually check of course only a fool would think otherwise that time making videos for his channel I wish I was joking but seriously they didn't just watch my review and the response video no he edited together a bunch of clips put some of my points out of order and showed many parts that had nothing to do with any of my points but simply I mean he's technically true I did throw some stuff into that nothing to do with the game oh yeah I was taking in front of the Jewish conspiracy yeah and the the undesirable the the obvious flaws of my sexuality and things like that yeah it's just the things we noticed along the way even then I would say that those are related in some way well when you when you're working on a video where you're trying to discover the person's perspective on a lot of things and then you randomly come across fucking calls to war and aggression against particular groups of people that are yeah I was just like holy fuck I cannot believe this is actually happening this doesn't even seem real um oh and that's another thing we've been told I've been seen like that we've become cancel culture and it's like I haven't called for anything to happen to him haven't said a thing and uh I mean I'm surprised that anyone didn't know this but me freeing in rags are pretty liberal on free speech you know we're free speech extremists almost I think very pro I think you could call us that in reference to how the internet like the overtone window of free speech we're pretty extreme yeah yeah these days absolutely yeah just to my in some way and I was painted as some sort of neo-nazi or racist I I did I can't imagine why I did not paint you that way uh I played your opinion that way with your words if people come away with that perspective from what you have said that's a result of what you have said like to be fair this comment this is this comment isn't even untrue in last two hours more showed stream clips portraying you as a homophobic racist transphobic anti-center but that's not because I contextualized the comments and said that is the case we played them that was it those are the things you said yeah those are the things you said many times over that account is Cobain he was uh he's he's become known in the e-fab community is basically synthetic man's like sentinel he was there for like the whole stream apparently there's something and he did all of this just because I disagreed with him about the quality of a video why what actually acknowledge all the questions when you was chatting on him though why do you know so yeah well he doesn't know about he doesn't he probably doesn't know that I know about him because he doesn't look into this at all so if someone said all right Mola it's time to judge you I'm in like a big old courtroom they're like tell us what was your motivation to do this was it just because he said something about a game you like that you didn't like what he said I'd be like okay do you really think that would be it when e-fabs been going for this long we've covered so many people that completely disagree with us on on something why is it the like people have said the only other time anyway it feels like more has done this is with the the twitch react saga but even that wasn't as extensive so it's and that was when someone was coming after a friend of mine so it's like so so what is it it's like well for anybody watch the stream probably knows around about the part where he like shits on all of my friends me and the work that we all do and then he says that their sexuality is a character flaw and then said some other really bizarre and crazy shit after basically lying about a video game was pretty good yeah basically at this point i'm like well what motivation don't i have what is what is the golden motivation to have and then um do i not have that one i think i have all of the motivations something that i find interesting because i think it's kind of it's it's kind of like revealing right of the way that somebody else may think about all of this uh there's usually like some broader objective into like the goal broadly of basically like any episode of efap or any like coverage of a film or a video game or anything is to try and contribute to and improve the discussion surrounding media that's like the goal ultimately is to try and facilitate better discussions about storytelling yeah media you know video games everything there's there's like always that sort of working there to try and have better uh discussions which it seems like it's it can never be that right it's like oh well we're just talking about video games like we're just talking about video games or we're just talking about movies like it can't be more than that need to devalue what you're talking about it's really art is really important to me um storytelling is like super duper duper important to me um and i i want to i want to facilitate and be and participate in like discussions about it for the sake of like not just you know entertainment but to try and yeah like kind of have those better discussions about it where we're trying to use references and sort of develop an understanding of people's frameworks and to try and develop good frameworks that we can use it's not just about like agreements or disagreements or like petty arguments on the internet about movies it's kind of a lame way to view it you know i just think that if it was as simple as you said something about a thing that i like that was mean all vice versa it's like don't you think efap would be a very different show at that point like uh yeah yeah you think so there's a lot of people who hate ragnarok by the way synthetic man is one of many so what was it you know like surely it's more than that and i would say yeah and also remember it's more it's more than just a video game to a lot of people for the people who made it it was several years of their life and for a lot of people who played it it's like a really important story that has deep meaning to them and has like and has like lessons that people are pulling from it they want to try and apply to their lives that are like deeply important to them well thanks how much the game means to them and how much they think it's getting shut well funnily enough that's kind of i've said before that was kind of the motivation behind me making the soma videos was uh it was tipped over the edge when i saw the joseph anderson video was having a big effect and for all i know where it was like i don't want to see like that to play out yeah that could have contributed significantly to the creation of amnesia rebirth for all i know which really fucking upsets me but there's somos from that studio yes uh no no chance of getting another sort of thing because of that but yeah so what i guess i'm saying is yes the pursuit of of interesting discussions the uh expectation that through more deliberate conversations we can perhaps push the needle slightly in terms of the overall discussion the checkout points of view that are completely alternative to ours because you know coming away from ragnarok saying uh like like he had several quotes from his streams he was just saying like the story is just awful and then in his video he said that the gameplay is like the best part which i hadn't heard from really anybody most people i'd heard who didn't like the game shit on the gameplay quite a bit so like okay yeah you got that then you've got like he really has issues with me personally and with several of my friends personally do to a aggressive degree and to this day i think he thinks that i don't know about that or that nobody knows about that it's just like it's in your stream dude i think he thinks of his streams as like a secret yeah it's weird the the way that he operates on a stream and the way that he operates on his like normal videos it's like a a very very toned down version of who he really is so to speak because who you are in a live setting is arguably who you are in a more real this is kind of an interesting thought um do you do you think do you think that it's a bit more complicated than that in the sense that the way that somebody if somebody would have sit down you know like like there's instances where somebody says something it's like do you really think that and they're like no actually no i don't really think that that's stupid like if they're as soon as they have a little bit more time to think it through um they're like there's something to be said about a very well thought out scripted statement on a topic or a video being somebody's essentially definitive thoughts and it goes both ways right you could say something that is more honest that you wouldn't want people to hear because you're on a live setting or you could say something that you genuinely don't believe that just seemed right at the time and you're like yeah and then you exactly it's yeah that would that would basically be my conclusion but of course it's in this case it's a little bit more uh awkward isn't it one of the key factors for people discovering whether or not what you said was what you believe is repeat offenses and what you do when you're faced with it and what would you say yeah exactly if somebody says to you do you agree with that thing you said you got answers there's answers to that question that are available to you then we'll be indicative of what you actually think at that point yeah so the question is am i going to respond fuck no i'm not wasting 11 i was gonna say this is a response and also like it's kind of funny to be like haha i'm not gonna respond i'm not wasting my time on that it's like oh okay when we finished the coverage there was a question of like if he makes like a big old breakdown are we gonna respond to it and we figured no we like because there's so much shit we've got to do that it's probably not with it but the conversation also went to like he isn't going to do that like in terms of he's a pretty consistently written character if i can be a little clowny with it like he's he's uh what do we know about him it's like low effort and very much doesn't want people to know about some of the shit that he says when he thinks he's got a more core more passionate audience listening so it would be a very bad idea for him to do like if i were a friend of his i would not advise him to respond to it yeah i would say if you live you need to act as if this never happened carry on obviously your audience is retarded right you need to just keep sailing on with that i probably wouldn't have recommended this even no i do act as if you have no idea of it you're totally ignorant of it you've never seen it just let it go away be forgotten yeah just and then in live streams people ask you about this this horrible video that's been made about you should be like you know i uh i've seen a lot of people have made responses i uh i haven't looked into them or whatever because this is the thing when you said stuff stuff that he said less eyes the better absolutely the less explicit about that himself thing you need is people watching oh yeah this makes sense seven hours of my life watching that shit i don't give a shit what they called me the fact that they couldn't just do a normal e-fap episode hey he said he can't just do a normal e-fap he didn't know what e-fap is yeah also this is what we do buddy that is that was a normal e-fap response it's just like people he's not aware that it was classic e-fap they did dude it's becoming people's like favorite episode of all time which doesn't surprise me i guess because of doesn't surprise me at all it's pretty funny that he was to say a podcast name e-fap but yet he can speak about the format so casually it's just you know i think we normally do we have done that format before the twitch saga was that format yes except twitch streamers are actually aware that you will look at their streams for some reason youtubers i guess or at least this guy is like what but also you do care because you made this response at the very least yeah load on my videos really says a lot about them so i'm it says a lot about us what is it no like tell me what is it say about us i'd be curious like is it sad that we care is it sad that we defend our friends is it sad that we have the effort that we care about art that what does it say about us really or is it just sad soy pathetic da da da da da buzzword buzzword i'm not gonna give them the attention they so desperately crave you took that from me the whole point was that your attention the whoring like crazy they we don't care about breaking down games properly you just do it really quickly for whatever's coming out and whatever's popular that's your whole thing because you're trying to get more numbers you're trying to get more attention you have the clips where you're clearly upset and jealous that the people who are above you right now don't agree with you on what is woke or not and then remember when someone is chatting like why are you talking about baller so much he's not even like like who cares he's not relevant he was like yes he is he's on several podcasts like yeah it's a little bit it's kind of funny right it's again the way that you talk about it on a stream is interesting but then when it's the video you hit a lot of standard like points that are a lot more easily agreeable like ah yeah their attention seeking ah yeah i don't care like i've got better things to do in my life like those sorts of easy it's just funny it because that's really like the easiest way to distill the difference between like his his videos and his streams his videos is like he filters through to make everything more palatable but it's like not truly reflective of like how he feels or like what his actual perspectives are on a lot of things like we saw examples of that in the coverage it's really interesting is all because it's so clear cut and i suggest you do the same this is the last i will ever mention this in a video no it's see you next time guys i guarantee you i'm not gonna watch him but guarantee you he'll say it in streams he'll be like from that i think the fact that he very specifically said that i think the fact that he said that like it's indicative of the fact that he will talk about it in streams well he can't let me i mean he couldn't he couldn't help him well he couldn't help himself when it was just shitting on you like during his life and and lots of people too like it's funny because he's like he's like oh you come after me did all this just because i just like it i think differently of the quality to you it's like dude we saw the clips where you're like getting angry every time any like cutscene plays you'll just pause they go baller likes this by the way like it upset you that i like it it's fucking really comparing yourself to moller and in the same way that you are comparing yourself to many people we could see it in your personality well do you remember the part where he was like very madly talking about Alana Piss and she works at Santa Monica so i guess that might be an example of right somebody moving onwards and upwards and doing well in their career and that seemed to piss him off oh quite a bit yeah he said he couldn't say what he wanted to happen to him because he'd get him banned like what is that you know that's like what are you doing that's a little bit weird so i guess that's the response there there you go this thing it's fine with us like there's nothing for us to do the videos there go watch it if you want well the coverage is done yeah that's it yeah um which yeah leads us into we're gonna start responding to all the things we were sent yeah all across all power many hours that coverage ended up being a total three streams in totem nice very very long streams all right there's a lot we'll go chronological so it'll go from just talking about ragnarok as a story and then into the synthetic man coverage we'll probably note the change because of the tone of the messages will likely do you even need to know that it will be a parrot it will be a parrot yes so first one is count dooku i've been looking forward to this yeah a lot of people were very excited to see us do a breakdown of not only a game but a game story with full access to all of the reference material how cool is that absolutely spent a lot of time watching the uh watching the video to learn about what happens even those of us who didn't play it we watched the cut scenes and listened to the dialogue and the interactions now that it's december what's y'all's favorite version of christmas carol our favorite version of christmas carol i think my favorite version is the the one with uh the muppets mickey mast no the the disney one oh i got you where scrooge mcduck yeah i've always that is a good one i think i'm gonna go with the muppets though i remember really liking the muppets one but man it's been a long time since i've even consumed a christmas carol as a story yeah maybe i should did any of you guys watch the uh i'm not sure about i think i watched at the the robert zemeckis the the one with jim carrey no i didn't the animated one yeah i'm not familiar with that i feel like i i'm pretty sure i saw that i think no but i i really like uh i really like the scrooge mcduck one one of my favorite moments was from mawler's playthrough was him using a realm shift to outrace mill near back to thor i remember that i think i was running toward him while the realm shift was activated i could see be all there was like a big back to him with me i was just like oh jeez rough estimate all of mawler's god of war streams amount to five point five days uh would that include the original 2018 stream the new one and then all the set of the originals plus ragnarok so wow fun time though uh this story was a 20 hour fangasm i would say there was a hell of a lot of fan service but it's funny because a lot of people i guess feel that it destroyed god of war as a franchise if you say so careful mawler you're covered in bifrost yeah he says that a lot in the game you're not saying that a lot if i say sonic is good because you eat mushrooms and save princess from giant turtle i'm objectively wrong the response i got was that is lying not being objectively wrong oh this is so this is the example about how we can at least prove there is some basis about speaking on media objectively speaking like um and i think the example you often give for me is just like you'll describe the title of something and then the content of something completely different if you like see i am objectively wrong i guess the the counter-argument is no that's just a lie so how do they deal with people who just don't know what about people who actually get it wrong yeah but they weren't lying like what i said yet should impact is about max if you're lying you're wrong right you're wrong about the fact so it doesn't even you're just kicking the can down the road it's like meaning what you are saying something that is incorrect with intention to mislead i guess but yeah you're right there's still half of that it's still a thing but it's happened before i said when i was trying to describe what genshin impact is without having any clue what it is if someone said yeah you were lying i'd be like i don't i don't think i was lying i just thought that i knew what it was but i didn't so this happens all time right it's just i don't know it feels like like the nature of having a discussion about a piece of media while trying to appeal to what is in the story it doesn't mean that there's like a definitive correct statement about something it's still a matter of using those references to support arguments that may or may not be convincing to you know a certain degree to a great degree or to a lesser degree yeah what is it called when understanding of certain facts wrongs but i mean nevertheless right like it's still a good idea to try and appeal to the material in the story surely and what is it called when if i told my dad because he does nothing about this sort of stuff i'm like that's mario and then i point to the princess and be like that's princess sonic now i need you to to recant that like like as information to pass a quiz when when fringy comes in here and asks you and he's like okay and you're like what's princess's name and he's like sonic and then you just go you're lying it's like what no i i had it on good authority you know yeah it's the the difference between like a line just being wrong i don't think most people when they get something wrong they're not lying they're just incorrect they're operating under the wrong under bad information they're they're conveying information to you that they believe to be correct so we do the thermometer example because no one's going to claim the thermometer is lying like no it's broken that's not the same thing yeah and if they say lying it's almost certainly you know just a colloquialism but yeah when you lie you have malicious intent you're intending to deceive somebody you know that what you're saying is not true or you're being irresponsible i'd go as to say is if you're if you're repeating something irresponsibly that you know is very likely not correct but you're saying it very boldly i would i would classify that as a lie as well i think um i've been looking forward to this with a little smiley face good stuff look good look up r34 fringy i promise you won't be disappointed yeah fringy look i love rule 34 no i'm good i'm at a rules rules are what bind us together as a civilization it's what separates us from the animals hi rags hello i'm allin hello hi fringy hey hi all have you thoughts to offer regarding the cocaine bear trailer looks funny i've not seen the uh cocaine bear trailer weird kind of movie i hope it does well about a cocaine bear a weekend with mauler and the gang dissecting and gushing over a shining example of storytelling in video games greed uh jk have a good one oh the greed me oh i'm sure there are many who would say that yeah i stayed up all night catching up on god of war streams you would enjoy them i hope so yeah i hope you did through the streams we've seen mauler and metal struggle with one of the deadly sins oh that'd be greed against it greed boy maulie you're awfully brave of you to go on your stream of many to say that atreus is just a simplified and less impressive elizabeth comstock you trying to trying to meme me you when you're prided yet in here that's a lie also i know this may pain fringy but i'd love to hear his thoughts and anyone else's on the latest mario trailer and not just on the voice casting uh i'm sure i would have talked about it so the thing i uh there's the there's a new clip that was uh shown at the game awards where it was like mario toad is like leading mario through the mushroom kingdom he's jumping around going through all these platforms and using pipes to get around to get to princess peaches castle and um it kind of like that scene kind of reinforces my feeling about that film which is that the animators and the artists are like working very very very hard to create something really cool i don't know if the writing is going to be of the same quality because the film looks fantastic talk about avatar too but uh yeah no like um the the animation looks great there's like a lot of neat little like very subtle nods to the specific games um the score is like incorporating a whole bunch of different tracks like it's got tracks from super mario brothers got bob on battlefield and like the overworld theme for super mario world it's uh it's it's got a little um it's it's got a lot of these really neat like things injected into it like clearly a lot of care went into the animation but i mean in terms of like the jokes that are happening right like the joke of oh look when toad goes through the pipe it's like really easy for him when mario goes through the pipe he's like crashing into all of the walls it's kind of like right so that's kind of like what we're going to be getting then in terms of the jokes probably going to be like pretty um pretty standard pretty dull yeah and we're probably not going to do anything particularly crazy by way of like any interesting thematics and someone might be like well it's mario to which i would respond yeah and i really like mario and i kind of like i don't know man i feel like it might be worthwhile to try and do that now i could be totally wrong maybe that film will come out and blow me away in terms of like having some really core message that's super important um i remember when i was playing the new mario card eight uh tracks like the new courses that have been added to the game something i was thinking about i think i'm talked to rags a little bit about it when i was telling them the seems like the premise of the film is that mario and louisji get separated and louisji gets taken in by bowser and so mario has to go and save louisji and like work with princess p go save louisji i can see that as being like that actually seems to me like the kind of obvious choice to make in terms of writing the story because you'll be like well yeah because louisji is his brother so that's going to be like an easy sort of narrative thrust to get him going on this adventure um whereas in a sense the more unconventional choice would be to have peach be abducted and then mario louisji work together to save her uh but i can't do that well i guess the thing is that something i've been thinking about is that if you wanted to push a theme that was trying to leverage what we already understand and know about mario and and like and the characters in that world for as straightforward as they are what if it was a story where it is mario and louisji having to work together to navigate through this new world and mario being sort of the the very you know he's pretty like quintessential hero character right goes out there saves the day very brave and everything i mean what louisji is much more tepid and reserved he's he's more obviously more introverted maybe well so what i was thinking was what if you had it so that the the the point of the film is meant to be like some sort of statement about the way that you need to try and like move through life and and like the mushroom kingdom is kind of almost sort of this allegorical world for that like it can be a literal place that exists and you know has a real thread what if what if the nature of that story in terms of a core theme is that mario is kind of reckless in the way that he just barrels into dangerous situations uh and he gets himself into a lot of trouble but conversely louisji is too reserved and too held back that like he can't take any action and he can't be like affirmative and and do what he needs to do yeah individually you know individually they can't they can't do it but together learning something about each other and their ways of maneuvering through the world yeah they complement each other's strengths and they can cover for each other's weaknesses and that like and that nice sort of teamwork is really great um just because you know just because you're not perfect yourself doesn't mean you can't work with other people to achieve incredible things and cooperation is great it brings out the best in our it's really really nice approachable you know safe kind of messaging stuff that's using mario and louisji to do that i think i think it's a pretty safe message but i think it's also like a pretty worthwhile message very apt yeah absolutely and of course in terms of building character it's like well mario and louisji maybe at the beginning that they're not quite as good friends and then over the course of the story as they begin to understand each other a little bit better they uh they come to trust each other more and then each of them get something from the other that they didn't have so like louisji finds courage and mario finds i guess like not intelligence but um discretion a more methodical yeah exactly and then the two of them working together you know save the day the real one floating this is because i get the impression that the mario movie is not gonna i don't know i i i i don't i get the impression that in terms of like a core theme which a lot of my favorite like animated films tend to focus in really heavily on like walley the Incredibles finding nemo and stuff um shrek like i'm not that's funny it's kind of like a meme but like shrek is a great film and that's got like a really valuable i just uh i don't get that impression based on that trailer i get the impression that for as as great as it's going to look and for as much effort has clearly gone into it on that front i just get a little concerned that the writing is going to be like very mediocre and very like straightforward that aside from a mario film story and the message i feel yeah i think that's that's kind of how i'm feeling and i i don't i don't know man i feel like people do remember like the ending of super mario galaxy where they kind of tried to do something that was a little bit different tried to do something a little bit more emotionally resonant and i think it kind of works like i feel like mario was entirely capable of doing that and i i'm not sure if they're going to do that that's that's kind of i could be totally wrong though maybe maybe the film come out and blow my mind so interesting yep there's he has um who's hotter freya or sif um honestly they're both in terms of they're both very attractive right like they're both very physically attractive people so i think this will come down to who you find personality wise or maybe their role in the world which you find more attractive um that maybe it's probably whoever will mesh best with your personality that you'll find to be the most attractive because obviously they're both very very lovely ladies but they have they seem to have the they're they have strong personalities but how that sort of exhibits itself is in somewhat different ways freya is far more outgoing about it but she's of course in a different place to do it than sif is um they they're both very family oriented they both are willing to do things that are potentially i mean certainly very dangerous uh in order to try and you know help their families out in the best way that they can um they're both maybe sif is a bit more supportive um and freya is more i guess more aggressive in that kind of way um i mean they're they're both especially considering how little of sif we get it's kind of nice to see that we get you know a character there and how important she ends up being but i don't know uh honestly i would probably go with sif but i think this is you got two winners here both pretty powerful too yeah they're both powerful they're both i mean they've both clearly been through a lot one the their suffering has been in different ways both at the hands of odin but in totally different sorts of you know like i said sorts of ways i mean whether the way that odin treats thore is different than how yeah the way that odin treats the state of their kids yes yes the their children are very very important to them they're very well i guess what i'm saying is that both of them in some sense failed it's just that maybe freya is as much more uh apparent and significant yeah because ultimately sif did fail to like protect magne and moody for it's like what she said right odin threw them like at the at a mountain face and like for what and it's like but she didn't stop it which is probably what's motivating her right now to be more like i wonder what she could have done she understands better yeah yeah her position is not like she doesn't have because freya is obviously a very powerful warrior she knows incredible magic we don't really know about what sif can do that wasn't really uh something that we got to see in the story much we don't know if she's just very charismatic or if we don't really know much about what sif is capable of we didn't see that part of her manifest in the story um so that would be it would be interesting to know those things because there must be there must be something about her it just wasn't important to the story to see that element of her not sure why people call good yes not sure why people call kratos soil woke the whole arc was for him to open up and be better not to go back to how old what he was but something new a father a leader a friend a brother kratos is full of his complete yeah the problem is that when you say be better there's a lot of simpletons who fixate literally on just the words be better and any sense of nuance or context just goes completely out the window and it's a damn shame because freya and kratos they're like i guess freya in their own separate way but everything in god of war has some build up some explanation behind it there's some sort of reason for why things are the way they are it wasn't they didn't just throw in a phrase or a word and want that to preach to you they put a lot of work into it and if people can't realize that then that's just well they just have to write great advice in there you are not your failures is a really good thing to think about when it absolutely worth now some simpletons might have thought that the the scenes in which we got those messages were nothing but filling and it's just padding and pointless wasn't anything of substance yeah that it was pointless and that it was just a glorified loading screen but of course those people are fools the fact that the first giant jellyfish and freya's wedding missions weren't core story baffles me because they are so important to the characters yeah they made i would argue a lot if not all of the side content is important understanding the whole story the fucking fey one super important all inside i'm really happy with christopher judge's craters loved him as teal see teal teal in stargate and now i also love oh yeah that's right yeah he was yeah man craters was in space crazy right i suppose hope to see him in more projects yeah yeah cool uh how much he cares about this one it'll be interesting to see if people can disassociate yeah or if every time they hear him they'll be like yo that's kratos or if you'll you know ever be able to not be kratos i think he really wants to be more kratos or with anything they used to go with next don't blame up for that at all this just says woke uh so g o t g h s referenced go w best tv special ever i mean is that the galaxy or the whole special referenced god of war i call oh yeah i remember they for some reason people looked at drax and said he's kratos uh god of war all right i see i forgot most of what happened in that special wow i'm not sure i even understand how you look at drax and think ah kratos what could be big muscly guy okay i know i i that's that's all i got i don't know is it because he's got like tattoos or something like mox on him kratos has a big tattoo i guess so it's just the the coloring is so different yeah coloring is very different white um best villain award goes to odin or silco oh damn uh i'm a huge fan of both of those i think i'm gonna go with silco i like them both a lot but we get a lot of that's thing we get a lot of silco get a lot of odin too i i'm gonna go with silco personally but they're both super great villains i dole so much about them and i'm just like the more i remember about silco i look forward to rewatching our k info in seasons who comes around because remember how like he like completely tears down vanda what he believes is like a complete breach of his principles and then he ends up doing the exact same thing when you hit ali yeah there's just there's so much about silco that's great he's he's one of the best villains all right um i'm gonna i'm going to go with silco is my favorite though i don't want that in any way to undermine how much i really like odin what are you bringing i don't know i'm uh that's tough it is it's legitimately difficult because silco is my favorite character in arcane um oh damn i think silco might just just a little bit uh been out on just a little bit though but does any character from arcane beat up kratos oh i don't know i don't know i don't i don't think i don't i'm i don't know because kratos is one of my favorite characters now just in anything oh yeah i don't know any of you guys checking out or revisiting the witcher three now the next gen update is coming out this month um very possibly actually i'm i've i've only played through to completion the witcher three once and i haven't finished all the dlc i haven't finished blood and line yet but um i i am very interested in playing it again now that the next gen stuff is out uh it could be the excuse that i need to get you know into it play it again experience it again and hopefully anyone who hasn't played it yet i would highly recommend it i think it's a great uh fantasy world and i really like a lot of the quests and the dialogue in it and it's a you know it's a fun game to play i really lost myself playing the uh i really i it's a game you could lose yourself in i think the world's really awesome and great i like so much about it so probably yes to answer your question probably yes i would like to play all three of them someday i haven't played the first um i hear that it's of its time in jenki uh but i didn't play the the second one i would also recommend though that is a that is a difficult game witcher three definitely modernized it in a way but i enjoyed three or two quite a bit it was one of the first games that i played that was like oh shit this is like a difficult game that like success isn't guaranteed i need to really work hard i need to be good and pay attention and do all the side content and things it's it's insane looking back at the last of us two after god of war five and just seeing the stark contrast on how the developers treat their characters and the intelligence of the audience yeah uh when you think back on the last of us two it spends a decent amount of time trying to achieve very little it does it has one point it drills over and over and over again and its whole narrative like squashes that point anyway i don't even do it well meanwhile there's a lot of things that uh there's a lot the ragnarok has to say it's got a lot of characters to work with and because all the the characters are different in their own way you can have all kinds of different messages yeah a lot of the kind of opposites in terms of uh writing discipline thoughts on the designs for these new pokemon low kicks king gambit and uh backs caliber and clod sire um could would you copy those into the discord and i can look those up while you're carrying on with super chat so once i have pictures we could uh very well address it all right my biggest criticism is that odin wasn't defeated by throwing mamiya's head horned first at odin it's been cool wasn't all fucker in the final fight though so it does well that would be that was what uh that's what that's what brock called him yeah he says that one was for brock also thoughts on the new mario movie and indiana jones trailers all right well you got the mario one you know jones i'm just depressed yeah that's about it if we got the vibe of here we go again yeah probably gonna rewatch the four of them before the fifth one of course i like how they play the music from the movies that at this point at how many years old now 40 the give it a lot of people yeah well it's just kind of funny it's like yeah remember this music from a movie that isn't this movie it's like yeah i do i was talking about it on i do i think it was open bar and saying like you guys remember like 12 years ago we said he's too old for this yeah and now how old isn't harrison forwarded his late 70s it's insane man like you know henry cavill would make a fucking great indiana jones oh sorry how to make a great anything at this point it could probably yeah i mean he's like james jones james bond i mean it was super mad formally but yeah yeah yeah it's it's one of the greatest fucking gams of our age of our generation was that you had henry cavill the perfect superman and that clown snider just completely squandered him and they're like look you turned up a black adam now he's fired and now now the rock is not following water brothers or like the black adam twitter account on his instagram or something he unfollowed because it's over it's over before it began well it might not have been it made a lot of money i suppose yeah i guess you're right if it didn't make over a billion it would have been an interesting time oh absolutely yeah but i don't think that was ever going to happen not for because now it seems like it's gonna be a hard reset everybody's done i mean if if henry cavill is out that means everybody's out surely otherwise that seems deeply unfair well that what a horrible coincidence that patty jenkins shit is happening too because that might not be necessarily connected it could just be a you know really bad shit that's happening because of a foreign other stuff and it's just like if we've got wonder women's on the ropes we've lost superman and we've lost batman at least that batman yeah it's really not an enviable position to be in at all to be no matter what guys that dc guys and be like what the fuck do we do there's no decision that you make that won't piss people off and the reality is that the correct long-term decision is probably to just rip off the band aid into a hard reset and stop hobbling along with this this this deeply flawed universe make it very clear we are it is a fresh start these characters are not their old iterations we are uh we are moving forward i think that's the best you can do yeah we're about to say mubes um remind me what was the what was the thing that was said uh what about the wonder woman stuff oh yeah so i was gonna say man of steel was that 2010 13 13 so imagine you know they started in 2013 and their intention is to build something as powerful as the mcu and you asked them in 2022 how are we doing and they're like uh we've lost we ever got any of our headlighters like oh you've already killed superman of you and it's like well uh i mean technically in the meta yeah like in the second movie we killed him it's like second movie you're like what we brought it back you're like what are you saying it's like but we've lost him now how do you lost him how did how did superman die again it's like no no the actor he's gone he's gone uh one one we you know two movies two two one one movies she's out now possibly and you're like why you're like so i don't know i mean it's like the most successful movie is aquaman it's like aquaman yeah it made like it made more money than the dark night it's like how why why china it's like okay but what what have we released recently black adam solo movies with justice society it's like oh and it's at what fighting shazam no he's never gonna fight shazam it's like why it's like oh the rock just doesn't seem to want to it's like we know what anything step by step how this all became this way but like when you look at it broadly from you know 2013 to now you're like holy s*** guys in nine years you this is a calamity i was just scrolling through twitter and it's screen rant it says uh a new report reveals more insight into the decision to reverse henry keville's dc return to superman according to a hollywood insider keville was a pawn in dwayne johnson's quote-unquote failed attempt to control a piece of dc is that yeah but who said that though is that actually is that like a reputable source or is that just like i mean that's i mean surely like the rock is done right like i figure like there's no way to from that it sounds like he might be here oh uh apparently no that was a hollywood reporter okay so there's probably some truth to that hmm that's kind of that's kind of lame i i mean presumably it is a hard reset right like it's i i've talked about like angry joe's been very mad about it and something that he's been tweeting a lot is like essentially the notion of if you're going to get rid of henry keville then you have to out of like fairness get rid of your people too like get rid of uh get rid of john senor's peacemaker like they already did make a mountain say that the big reason they got rid of him is just he's just not young enough for the role well yeah so the the point is that the new Superman film is going to be him and is is earlier years is like a reporter and metropolis and so henry keville is too old just to be in this 20s by that logic then you know james gunn doesn't necessarily have to do anything else uh well i think the thing is is that because if you if you told me if you put me in a position where i had to be in charge of this universe i would just like i'd just be like hard reset with we're stopping there's no point to continue it just like this franchise it's not working gotta have to be working we have to do a lot of hurt but we're hurting now the thing is for now but saying this on um open bar but surely that is what they're doing it's just the if we're in that boardroom and you suggest that and we all agree the next step is okay but we've got several movies coming out that are that are coming out we're not exactly in the position of just announcing this is done as a timeline but also these movies like we'll probably announce these things after these movies come out yeah like wait until maybe give it like a bit of time and go radio silence and just put some distance between the current dc stuff and then whatever you're gonna do next but that's not what they're doing they're gonna announce stuff next year at the beginning of next year they're uh full steam ahead seemingly um whereas i would recommend taking like a year or a couple years gap between everything not just to create physical space or i guess temporal space in between the old and new but to really make sure that you have your ducks in a row so to speak on the story and your overall dude i can see them being like james please save us save like whatever it is that you need to do we actually have no idea what's going on if if if you wanted to try and maintain some of the bridges with some of the acts that you already have i think that the easiest way to do that would be to give them a different role give them someone else so like um like if if henrik evil can't play superman ask him if he wants to play hell jordan or something like you know see if there's like another role that he wants make him buy a superman village just to rub it in the fans would find it really cool they make him play zod holy shit like yeah i think fans would appreciate he would make a great zod he probably would i mean he was a great lot of things i mean he was the villain in fallout essentially in a way so yeah it was really good and that like the reality is that henrik evil just needs to be paired with people who are as talented and enthusiastic as he is and often it's been they're enthusiastic but they're not talented or they're neither obviously the hope is that 40k project that'll be the one now please because he's executive producing that as well which means that he has he has a handle he cares about warhammer he clearly cares about warhammer so that could be awesome if he gets to have exercise some level of control over it which he may well it seems like at this point he's kind of like sort of the de facto spokesperson from warhammer because it's like this incredibly charming and handsome british man like basically james bondon real life is like yeah no i play with like warhammer figurines it's like the best PR that you could ever have at this point company may as well have been made in a lab at this point but it's kind of like wow you uh knocked out all entry so it's kind of crazy that he's not winning more like he is obviously winning at the game of life because he's like a super successful you know but like you think that he would be off of his game right like he would be he'd be having no trouble well i think that all of this it's it's gonna be i think the long run all of this will be a very advantageous hump to get over yes you can call it that because he's we're gonna he's gonna be around for a long time i think he's going to 30 so he's still got a lot of years ahead of him absolutely he just gives me that that pierce bras and then energy i think i can imagine a an older wiser kind of like you know a a 60 year old Henry Cavill who is just he's he's just he's got the silvery beard experience look to him he's just he he's gonna be he could be essentially the almost like Christopher Lee in a sense where i get that i get the feeling with Henry is it cavill or cavill i say those often because i often forget about this now that i'm thinking about it but he he strikes me as the kind of person who's like William Shatner or Christopher Lee who's probably i just they're just gonna drop dead one day they're not gonna retire they're not gonna stop they just have a huge passion for it and they want to keep doing stuff and so we're gonna have just kept going hey you know what maybe like in 20 years he can play uh he can play Superman's dad he can play Jonathan Kent or something this circle will be complete i mean yeah except he'll be a good Jonathan Kent where he won't be like telling him that he should let people die he'll be instilling good lessons that's kind of funny because like we have to play Jonathan Kent right um maybe but it was uh wait what was that sorry it was like another actor that we wasted we got we got um i i can't believe i'm forgetting his name now i literally just had it yeah Kevin Costner yeah we had him as uh you know well you had a lot of people right you had Amy Adams as a lot of slain it's like Amy Adams is a pretty great actress but like she didn't have anything yeah as Perry White like damn that's some real good casting there yeah and then you have these weird ones like Gal Gadot is Wonder Woman it's like why it's not yeah you know why like it was an obvious choice in some ways it was a good choice because like people wow and that's that's that's true but i mean it seems like at this point we're acting though yeah it's uh it's so funny because i i i'm aware of like whether we're making you know Buffy and stuff that Joss Whedon was like whip-crack type director in terms of getting performances out of people which is you know there's this controversy over that right like if you get some of the greatest art ever at least from your own POV is it with actors being shouted out to actually do their job properly yeah people yeah because then you're like oh so what if we take an actress like Gal Gadot who seemingly just can't do it and a person like Joss Whedon what happens like he gets fucking destroyed because he probably was mean to her a little too much maybe even because of that maybe he held some resentment that way but also like the writing stuff and like oh yeah that's that's where it would have backfired because like you get a lot of people saying stories about some of the most classic like auteur directors were assholes like makes you wonder about how art gets made in it um i wonder um like i'm because if there are if we if they're restarting and like it seems to me if they have the motivation to get like somebody in their 20s to play Superman that they're trying to think like very we want people who are going to be able to stick with us for 10 15 years that uh i wonder if that like informs i guess there is that looming question right about the batman about what's happening with that universe that is like very much not part of the dceu but was like successful and well liked what's going to happen there because i think i don't like the idea of that getting folded into a broader universe but at the same time if the other option is that it ceases to exist i don't know you know like i'm not sure what i would want if those are my two choices but it's going to be awkward if you have two batmans at the same time i think that's just gonna confuse people oh what an awkward situation for that and joker and that like it feels uh i'm sure joker feels a little bit more segmented i think i think joker feels a little bit like it helps that there was no like it doesn't matter how segmented any of them are the big question all the suits boardrooms are like listen if these things are successful on their own then they can help basically attach like a bloodline to our big universe and so do we incorporate them and funnily enough joker and the batman as universes feel like they fit together more than those two fit together anything in the dcu which is funny considering that they weren't designed to fit together at all yeah like they're just their own things but like i worry about that because if if a joker two comes out and it's hyper successful then i feel like it's it's just ready to be preyed upon they'll be like all right we're gonna have to involve it in a universe walking phoenix you ready to play joker for five more years we're gonna put you in the joker avengers movie as i as i understand that there are some level of compartmentalization with some of these things like the the executive producers of uh of like joker are not the same as the like the executive producer of a lot of other dc stuff so like it's kind of a level of you know how like with giant conglomerations like and how it works it's never really dated didn't they not think much of anything about uh todfield's going to make joker when they like this this will probably not work that well not only had a 50 million dollar budget it was pretty cheap yeah they didn't believe in it as i'm at a million dollars yeah that film surprised the fuck out of me as well i did not expect to be coming away thinking like holy fuck that was great yeah and it's ready to get a movie that's almost entirely reliant on like the performance of a character that's like the joker we don't expect because god we've had like all kinds of joker results haven't we uh we've had yes we have it seems to it seems to be either great or horrible just seems to me no really but think about it like i like jack nickerson as i love him as i like his joker i obviously i really like heath ledger's joker i like what keen phoenix is joker a lot so really it's and and i like mark hamill's joker a ton so it's really not hit or miss most people do a great job is that the guy you haven't mentioned yet is that one guy that the ideas guy is aware plaque i'm an idea yeah well that was embarrassing i actually heard that they wrote that and then it made it through the actors and then everyone saw that and they kept it in like made it through the cut yeah then it's in the final cut clearly that joker watched a lot of viva vendetta like this is a real cool movie and i should place my whole personality after it on that yeah and by the way that's not me throwing shade at viva vendetta i like it no i don't it's like putting yeah hugo weaving next to what's his face ha ha ha hugo weaving next to it's a morpheus he's got his name down darryl lester what's his name darryl ledger yeah i he he's just he's just that cloud actor guy like that he played a clown you know well that was about to say he's known as the clown actor guy but not just because of the literal playing of the he was at one point he had respect at one point but it's just gone now because the morpheus and joker killed it i think it was with joker it was like he talked about all of his method acting and everything like he talked about all of these extreme lengths he went to to get into character and the character was shit like it's just really awkward the method act is only cool if it's good yeah it's good exactly and at this point it feels like people are starting to turn against method acting in general people just feel like it's an excuse for someone to act like an ass yeah didn't ryan johnson ruined version of expectations well i can't remember method acting i can't remember who said it but someone said something along the lines of like people only seem to method act when they're playing assholes they never like method acts when they're playing like a really great guy you know i guess christian veil is desperately trying to keep the concept of method acting it's good he's well because he yeah because he's i'm pretty sure he does the thing where he tries to maintain like the action yeah he has drastic it like weight loss weight gain kind of well there's that but i what i meant with the accent is like because he's not american but like when he was screaming on the set of uh above of uh terminator salvation he's got that american accent there and it's like are you are you still like maintaining that as part of like getting into the role like you tried to carry the hurry yeah well how was it i hope it was good because it's worthless now isn't it that would never not be funny i'm sorry it's it's hilarious he's so mad and it's it's funny because he's getting so passionate about the acting for terminator salvation well i mean we look at uh Thor Love and Thunder the movie that everyone's already forgotten he was it's a shame that his his character was i think it holds a record for the fastest 180 yeah that a villain ever gets um might be yeah but damn like he's you could tell he's a very talented actor who is just given crap to work with yep my god take care of us though i hate you all gods must die now wait what what is next scene oh no this god is dead this god was nothing but nice oh that sucks it's like wait what the kidnaps children it's so the characterization of a gore was so fucked up it was just totally scatter shot and i bet you on set like he had no idea like what i mean even said working on on uh like green screens he had no idea where he was at any given moment that must be he probably hadn't even figured it out yet feeling yeah it's probably incredibly difficult to perform if you don't have a good director who's really kind of arranging these things for you and telling you like here's where you are here's a picture of it this is what we're going to do this is yeah i'm a subject yeah it's something you see with uh like for video game performance capture like often they'll have to try and paint a picture for them right but it's probably because they isn't that kind of interesting because like video games when they're doing performance capture they'll have like concept art typically or like some sort of yeah this is where that thing is this is where that thing is like this will be there and that will be there and you need to try and visualize it but here's some images to help you do it you think that they would do the same on film and maybe they do but maybe maybe it's a matter of direction right some directors know how to do that and some directors don't and if you're working on video games you have to get good at that because that's what performance capture is that's the only way that you're gonna that's like that's the way you have to do it you know yeah um before we move on to the next question um we have a pokemon yeah so i've got my pictures here so at the top we have lockix who just looks like an edgy beetle not really a fan i'm uh i'm kind of neutral on him underneath that we have king gambit that one looks a bit silly that one yeah not nearly as much of a fan of this one his mustache is very big that's rocket hands i think he might it could be just like just general cartoon hands because a lot of pokemon they don't have like individual fingers it's very cool you see the sword on the sword too yeah he's got a sword on the sword to let you know he's very he's very sharp very dangerous um next up we have backs caliber it was my uh i kind of like i i think he's not overly complex he's kind of got that godzilla vibe to him uh don't think this is too bad at all i i think my i think my favorite is the last one here yeah claud sire claud sire yes yeah we went in order of worst to best i think maybe yeah he's the best look at him yeah look at him yeah i like him nice and simple i like him a lot big ol face he's just hanging out you know for a fact he just he hangs out near the water and he's just happy exactly he's very happy we could all learn a lot from because i guess is he related to quags I he looks like him probably he does i would i would reckon that he is what he evolves into quagsire I guess not certain uh quad sire okay look at him he's he's so happy yeah he's just happy little he gives me this hot little fella he gives me those kind of empty mind vibes like a possum almost where he's just carrying on having a good time not much he's gonna get him figured out oh I love him he's he's pretty fantastic he's uh man he's really cool I like him a lot I'm so glad that I know he exists now puts a smile on my face all right then um here we go I've studied Norse mythology for years and the only characters that are truly accurate to myth mostly are Thor, Sif and Odin the rest are a unique interpretation God of War has always done this with its mythology though it's the pretty normal approach this is what we should have expected anyway you when Kratos goes to Egypt right like if or when that happens and let's say we were the writing team and they're like he's gonna go to Egypt now go tell a story we'd be like all right there's two modes we've got here one figure out what kind of story we want for Kratos what are we gonna have him learn what what's the hardship gonna be you know all that stuff and then we're like now need to go and read up on Egyptian mythology see what the greatest and most well known and inspirational stories are see what roles each of the main gods have and then we're gonna try and have to hammer them into Kratos's story and there's gonna be some that'll fit right in be like oh look at this this character does this this this that's perfect we'll put them there they'll do that there we go and then there'll be one was like oh we we can't use that that's that's kind of that's useless but give an example uh they they had in the 2018 game I think what actually happens in mythology which is uh Jormungandr bites Thor and then Thor kills him with a with a hammer strike and then Thor dies of his wounds that's like that's what happens to those two in a fight I'm pretty sure anyway I could be wrong but my point is they saw that and we're like okay we can have him fight but we can't have Thor died at Jormungandr we we need we we're doing two for Kratos yeah and then someone would be like so you just go in within an accuracy it's like yeah but we are doing something else we're trying to make a different point I'm not beholden to I'm just I'm just not beholden to the source material I don't have to follow 100% first off I you don't really want that you know I think anyone who thinks they want to be faithful to a lot of these old stories is yeah I think you are I think you are not considering how fucking batshit a lot of early in particular mythology is like if they go to Egypt next like y'all ain't fucking ready for like I mean Norse is one of the crazier ones too it's just a lot of crazy shit happens it's okay to be like you take the good and leave it bad it's probably a really good idea or to use it as some kind of a blueprint but to think that you should be just you have to be beholden to it in all these ways is I just don't think it's something you really want or will be consistent with I guess the point that Mola was making though is that it's it's the goal seems to be we have a story that we want to tell on certain themes that we want to get across let's look at the mythology and see what we can leverage and see what things we can change in order to facilitate and I think they are invested in a sense of especially after knowing so much of what happened in mythology versus what we saw in the game they want to portray a lot of stuff as you know it to be a Norse fan it is the big epic battle that results in the death of Odin Thor and destruction of Asgard yeah they obviously are like we need to at least like we're gonna have plenty of things that big Norse fans will recognize and they do um like you know thanks to this game I'll I now know more about Norse mythology than I ever did um well it's it probably was the same with uh I guess the problem is some people would be like well yeah but you might know some things are the wrong that's accurate yeah that's fair but like I'm not even suggesting remotely that I'm I've got accurate information I'm just saying that thanks to this game I now have more appreciation and I'm aware more not I know to pronounce certain things now or about the fact that I even know that the Acer and the Vanier and the Giants are like a thing yeah I didn't know that before these games I had no idea um and now if I see that in some other context in some other place or for example if someone's just like who holds Gala horn I'll be like oh well Heimdall I guess I'm assuming would be my first guess so you know and then it's just something that that someone would be like how do you know that it's like oh it was a video game you know and they they use plenty of the names because I saw some people saying like oh you know I wish Kavassia was more accurate to what he was like in the in mythology versus what they did with him in the game and it's like yeah that that'd be an example probably of someone they were like we need we're gonna have him collect poems who can be the person who wrote them it's like well we've got this list of names of people we who are famous in Norse mythology we still haven't used yet throw Kavassia on it you know something like that um yeah it's not an accurate representation but it's the kind of thing that is I think is is neat where they they're doing what they can I didn't get a sense that they were disrespecting Norse mythology but plenty of people have made that claim so yeah it's yeah the whole look it's a very strange thing to talk about respecting old mythology and stuff um especially mythologies that like virtually no one you know believes in uh anymore I'm sure there's a few running around out there but uh you know it where where do you draw the line when it's okay to part from it would they would they treat all mythologies the same you know especially nowadays with you know Christianity being you know as popular as it is and you know such a big force in the world that people actually believe is real um you know where does that you know stop where does that line get crossed or not um I didn't clearly care I do agree they clearly cared yeah and and if you were like you they didn't care enough like okay okay I just I mean they've got way more references in there than what one would expect if they didn't give a shit I would happily concede that uh Mike Flanagan disrespected the source material for Hill House he I think the only thing that survived is his names of characters was it um I'd be curious what the counter arguments that might be though because uh when I wonder if maybe he would never actually seen his commentary on that um so yeah in in regard to um the accuracy for Thor siphon Odin I mean it's cool to hear and that they've got everyone else's sort of unique interpretations yeah I kind of I imagine that's the result you'll get if they do Egypt well they did thoughts on story and characters of the red dead redemption games surprise Mola hasn't played them considering he likes long things stories and games I've never I've never played it's a broad question yeah yeah I just couldn't speak to it myself neither can I I really like John I really like Arthur and I find Dutch super interesting the problem is it's like how much more do you want because there's a lot of characters in those games and there's a lot to be said about about them and what they're gone for is up to you how much you want I know that there was a uh there's a particular like there's a side quest of red dead redemption in the first one that's really cool at John just as he's in his travels he just keeps bumping into this guy dressed in a black suit I think he's wearing like a black hat as well he just he just knows things about John's past not good things things that he did in his past were pretty bad and he just was like devil allegory or something well so what's interesting is I think at first you're just like oh he's just this guy who's just hanging out and he knows these things and then it all leads to he's standing on top of a hill overlooking John's property and and John's like you know what are you doing here like you know who are you and he's like I'm an accountant of sorts like you know I like I think he's yeah I think he says like I'm an accountant of sorts and he says like you know like tell me your name where you know me from and he's like oh like I know you're from I know you're from like here I know you're from back out west I know you're from all over and then I think John says uh tell me your name or I won't be responsible for my actions um and then the guy says oh you will you'll be responsible this is a fine spot see around cowboy um and he just starts walking off John's says damn you whips out his gun the guy says yes many have and then he shoots two bullets but nothing comes out and then the third one like doesn't work gems um they are standing on the hill where uh his son buries him and uh his wife um and he's the last one left and then he you know goes on and kills a guy killed John and then he's turned into an outlaw as well so the cycle continues so it's like this really cool sort of foreshadowing where um I think it's safe to say the two bullets he fires represents John and his wife uh and then the third bullet jamming that's that's his son on the place where they bury him at the end of the game it's like pretty cool they didn't need to do that but they didn't this was like this really awesome just like side story that you can totally miss um and I'm pretty sure that the uh that guy uh he doesn't show up explicitly in red dead redemption too but I think you see his portrait in a couple of places around the map so they kind of carried that through so yeah I think it's safe to say that he's meant to be deaf um he's sort of he he knows things that he shouldn't know and he's like there and he's he's just for some reason he's kind of like messing with John um and it's kind of like the necessary acknowledgement the story needs to have about the nature of like John's past and the fact that like the nature of his redemption is a little bit more complicated than like a clear cut oh you're a good guy like that doesn't really exist for him are you familiar yeah yeah no no I was just gonna say that's that's like something that I really appreciated in the first game I really like that subplot there is a in western stories there is often this element of you know the devil existing as a character whether he's at some crossroads or or whatever there because in a lot of western stories there is you know western ghost stories and you know stuff like karma coming to catch back up to you and so you know especially you know in christian mythos you know the devil coming to collect is a big you know it's a thing that pops up a lot in the western stuff that I've always really kind of kind of liked um well so the thing is is I wonder because would you say that you're a fan of westerns like as I uh um like as a genre I would I mean I like westerns I don't off I don't watch things because they're westerns but I like watching westerns if that makes sense right so I would probably say yeah red dead redemption is like a massive homage to like to westerns it's it's like very clear that it's a uh that that um it's kind of like we've talked about the people who watch you know the writers behind the simpsons clearly watched a lot of movies and a lot of tv shows they had a lot of references that were really neat and clever it's pretty clear that our rock star are big fans of westerns um like there's there's so much about it that's like an homage to that entire uh entire like genre and I mean I I'm not I'm not like super familiar with westerns as a genre but I mean even that comes through clearly to me and if you're talking about like yeah that there's often a figure who's actually meant to represent the mysterious stranger the man in black the the the the the the dubiously supernatural devil character who knows what people do and can get up to and you know the the evil things that they've done you know I the have you on a similar note fringy have you played witcher three I played a bit of witcher three but I I've tried it twice and every time I've stopped at some point and I couldn't tell you why like I just sort of stopped and didn't keep going there is a there is a character in the hearts of stone expansion named gaunter o'dim that would be very interested to hear you one day maybe talk about or give your opinions on but if you haven't played it and you haven't played it I will okay well I mean if there's that new update that might be a reason to check it out actually he's one of my favorite characters antagonist something in in fiction I really like him so okay interesting I've mentioned him in the past every very very intermittently but I really like it but it kind of ties into this in a way um I asked someone if gimli wanting Frodo to die is a subjective argument and he said yes because you can interpret the scene that way that's when I gave up on debating him I think we're being really generous to the word interpretation of that point right like yeah I just see something is not what it is yeah if that's what that means then the fucking interpretations are meaningless like anything yeah like if somebody looks up at the sun and says I think that's like I think that's made of cotton candy well that's your interpretation that's your interpretation of reality all right then there is a uh you want to you want to always for pretty much all of your opinions unless they unless it's it's good to have a reason for why you believe the things that you believe and if it's stuff like favorite color or favorite band like it's not as important but it's still you know good to you know have a reason even if you know even if it's not like a super big deal like not knowing not knowing why blue or green is your favorite color it's it's not that's not gonna really change anything it's not that important but if you go to like what's your favorite band is like why well like yeah I guess you just like the way that they sound sure but you know why do you like the way that they sound um you know those are pretty low-tier things but when you talk about like your political opinions or how you think of other people why you like or dislike certain you know ideologies or you know just people that you know or that you've heard of good to have a reason why tie it to something objective you know ask yourself why you think what you think yeah I would have then you end up like certain I would gatekeep it as a not allowed to be an interpretation I'd be like you can't interpret Gimli wants to kill Frodo you can't there's nothing that supports that at all you all you've said is something that's just like Gimli is clearly Sonic the Hedgehog it's like no he's not it's like okay that's an invalid interpretation no it's not where are you getting that from unless of course you have defined interpretation to be just a random errant thought slash feeling you just happen to have that has no reference to anything that has no reference to anything you want everything to tie back to something in reality that would be really cool certainly verifiable by another source another human being that would be good it's a it's a great way to check and see if you're not hallucinating or that yeah you're believing something's actually real get that independent verification from someone else get someone else's opinion maybe they notice something that you didn't vice versa predictions for next story question mark uh well I think I I guess forgot a war I presume Egypt is up next if we ignore wherever he's going I imagine it's like what have we done in totality it's like angry man destroys entire pantheon through revenge and then angry man calms down and tries to find an alternative way of solving the problem of evil gods doing evil things without just killing everybody and involving collateral throughout it and he's leads to the point where he's actually being praised for his great efforts and he's come to understand the value of life beyond himself you know and the ones he loves even so what do you do with the next it's like well we can make him go face to face back to Greece you know we could we you know that's going to have some heavy implications and what can he do to because he's he's rebuilding the Norse world that's his goal and I think he's going to be 100 successful and so in the next game could be the Norse lands get attacked and he's forced to leave to find out like what the hell's going on and why they would do it or that he decides he needs to take his um you know positive impact on these worlds and go back to where it all began and fix his uh his bullshit highly or as as the expectation going to Egypt what would that include it's like could be the Egypt attacks uh you know the Norse lands and he has to go there himself or the maybe um we're saying that the possibility that maybe he wants to be more proactive in terms of doing like you know the hero thing well you could have like a uh Sindri wants to go there to talk to the gods of the dead over there see what he could do about Brock and the so he goes I really like the idea of Anubis being like a major character I really like the idea of him being one of our important Egyptian characters like pov characters who we fuck yeah Anubis I think I like the idea of making Anubis and seeing if you can have him be like the misunderstood like he's actually like he's kind of you know he gets a bad rap um he's the he with the way that the the Egyptians were super super focused on like the afterlife and what happens after you die in the idea of a god whose job is essentially the god of mummification the god of the I'm the person who resides over the preparation for the next world in a sense so a god that's all about um like judging people seeing into their hearts and what they think because he's seen so many people pass on from this life to the next and you know this maybe he's the cynical guy that Kratos needs to uh maybe he's um or better and I don't know I because he'd come across a lot of really good people too um certainly from as far as I'm aware Egyptians thought very high they thought very highly of themselves um so they they'd often paint their you know people in a good light but I think it would be interesting too I mean we talked about the the concept of pairing Anubis and maybe Osiris to you know death relevant gods and one is you know more of an optimist one's more of a pessimist but it would be good to have that super sagacious kind of character who can have his own personality of course whether he takes the you know he's he's very upbeat and charming and he's you know he he doesn't let you know he doesn't see death as a bad thing he's like yep you've done this part of your life now the next part of your life's about to again uh to begin I'm about to I'm the one who sort of takes you there or explains things to you and I mean I think that I think it would be interesting to have a death god who's very optimistic and happy and you know very wise and fatherly very yeah very easily Egypt set could be pretty chill and that they are attacked and they ask the Norse lands for help could be that I think I just I just want Kratos to hang out with Anubis I feel like that could be a really cool dynamic I'm almost ruling out Roman and Celtic because I feel like they're too close to Norse and Greek but um I think the the narrative power of bringing in like the Roman pantheon as a result of like what he did to the Greeks or something well maybe that's maybe that's why he's not right like he's in Egypt and then that's because Egypt is closer to Greece and and uh and uh Italy yeah like imagine that's the tight like the the the bait for the next game is at the end like Jupiter just fucking lands in oh yeah yeah we get Jupiter Mars pulls him out as like oh and could you imagine if it then is is like it's war between the Roman and the Egyptian pantheon and then and then Kratos has to figure out how he's gonna like mediate that conflict yeah and and he has like immense guilt for the Roman pantheon if it's like it was born out of the death of the Greek one but at the same time if if it's like rag said the the Egyptian pantheon is like super chill and everybody's nice and friendly over there like what what would he feel compelled to try and fight to save here you know what maybe in this scenario both the Roman and the Egyptian panthers have the motivation to destroy each other they're in like a full-on war and that he feels he should stop it step in but how can he do that how's he gonna do that because as much as I agree that like the story's complete we don't need anymore my concern is less so with how the story's complete don't move it on it's more so with I don't know if we're gonna guarantee the talent to move it on I really don't want to move it on it's gonna be bad but if it's good oh we have plenty of places to go if it's good if it's really great like if we got told that the next arc is going to be as good as Ragnarok and and God of War 2018 it's like holy shit let's let's talk about this but like I think that I agree that the wise choice is to have Atreus go for like a whole game now don't don't bring him back even though it seems like he said I think it actually works better that he goes on his own crazy adventure comes back the next time we see him he's a full grown man that would be really cool absolutely I mean just to share time that would be six seven eight years potentially well just what would be awesome is if the payoff is that when Kratos is off on his own again and he's in Egypt and everything's going on it gets really really really difficult for him it gets really challenging and then right at the end Atreus returns and like yeah and he's grown and he's gone on his adventures and he's potentially eight or so years just wiser and more skilled and he's seen so much more of the world um yeah that would be a neat idea he's all you would go he's always going to be there to come back whenever you need you know they are in an excellent position for storytelling they can go any direction they want yeah they can they're in a good place they there's a lot because even though like you said Kratos' arc is complete it's like there can always be another one like there's always more to do right he's on the path now I feel like I mean even if he becomes a static character that'll be totally justified in a way well because we can have other characters who go on arcs maybe Anubis has an arc he needs to go on Oratyrus or Arc Kratos becomes the you know more of a teacher in a way yeah he becomes less of a fighter more of the old wise man who he's the one who gives the quests and offers you your advice and things like that thank you we get another one though we're gonna have to have a mamiya you can't have this without mamiya anymore uh he's like integral um super useful from a perspective of having conversations just in general between parts of gameplay they're boring a chad of water you know if mamiya is in a land that he doesn't understand so well I would pay good money to just have Kratos and mamiya commenting on egyptian landscapes and stuff yeah and I mean I feel like it's gotta be because before it was north it was gonna be egypt that was a plan it was gonna be egypt before they decided to go to uh to the north mythology yeah and if you ask anybody egypt is up I think if you did like a public vote on what should be next egypt would win I think everybody's heard of it everybody's heard of it but I feel like uh in the west we don't have a great understanding of it in culture like which we should because we were extremely heavily influenced by the egyptians the egyptians were like really cool um and and if you're working with a game sort of setting just the just the aesthetics of egypt are so unique and interesting and there's nothing I can get you to the box art right now the box art of kratos there with the the pyramids in the background pyramids yeah the pyramid that image alone dude you already know all the enemy types are built for you there's gonna be mummies of course there are yep we'll scale them out of the floor yep there'll be those yeah I just gotta have a big focus on especially it'll be really important for kratos because like I said egyptian mythology and culture was super not obsessed but super focused on the afterlife and dying and going on into the next life so thematically for a potentially much older kratos that could be very interesting as a concept to explore imagine if an uber said something like some of your victims of you know like i've i've met him i've talked to them they told me a lot of things about what happened to them you know yeah he's like totally in no way surprised about kratos like he knows everything about him already he's heard so much we'll see that's another thing right like i think that they could drop cindy entirely now or they could have him go they could drop tear entirely or they could have him go they could drop frayer entirely or they could have i think it would be good to have tear tag along that seems like a good opportunity because he's traveled around maybe he's like the guy who can because maybe maybe that's the thing with anubis right because he judges people and he looks at kratos and he's kind of like he can't quite figure him out it's like hmm you know like you're uh you're an interesting figure for me to figure out your scale is well because of your life is a release exactly because like there wouldn't be many people like kratos so that could be cool for anubis right where it's usually pretty straightforward for him like looking at kratos is kind of like hmm especially because he's about twice plenty of people i've seen a lot of you know changed people come through here but very few like you and i know what you you know it's like i know what you did like it was it's like i know exactly what you did but i know what you did in in the north slands too and it's like you know everything you did good and bad what's your goal what is your objective so maybe maybe it'll be interesting is it ever they wanted to do the payoff of kratos being released from the blades of chaos and getting the ash removed i wonder if they'll ever do that or that would be the final culmination of this arc it feels like it would be the end if they were going to do that that would be the end that would have to be the end it's all it's funny because it's like that would be an incredibly powerful moment but you have to handle that with incredible care yep yes you would man that would be an incredible payoff though they nailed it i think they've they're still pretty mysterious about the origin of the blades and the nature of the curse in terms of if it's got even potential to be removed imagine if it came from egypt that's where the blades of chaos actually have the power to do that i think i think someone said there was an origin for them in a comic or something that is canon oh okay i think someone said heffestus made them but of course you can argue that he used materials from egypt or something like that yeah anyone again if you're going from like egypt in a way is like the proto-greece like the amount of stuff that the greeks took or i say took in a very in a generous sense but you know took from the egyptians is insane the the greeks loved egypt they were super fascinated by egyptian culture and their discoveries and their you know aesthetics and art and their culture so it would be very appropriate for his greek origins to tie into you know egyptian stuff people just don't understand or know about how you know influential egypt was to the greeks yes uh very excited in the second that they have that tiny tiny teaser trailer where they just show the pyramid and then they show the god of war symbol and then they have the and that's it i will i will go nuts along with the whole world and and then the trailer the teaser trailer will come out and it's like older kratos with maybe a bit more of a grayish beard yeah like walking in the desert or something and that's it for that teaser too and then it's like coming in three years from now and i'll be like fuck we're an antagonist though for an egypt who would it be would it be raw you have uh you could be raw it could be osiris it could be it's sechmet it could be all kinds of gods a lot of gods were very um i still think your best friend and your worst enemy that sort of thing um yeah really interesting twist to have it be that there are there are roman gods over there doing stuff and that they are the villains of this even though we're in egypt refugees from the greek pantheon go over to egypt no like i i think that we we would argue athena athena brought in a new very strong new world she birthed it out of what kratos left behind and that they've all been brought up and understood that kratos is a monster that he's gone dead and a coward and he backstabbed all the gods and this is what i want to deal with i want i want kratos to know that all of them have been lied to about how everything went down and that they all hate him because he destroyed everything yeah and then they want to kill him for it and he's like no like how does he deal with that it's like and he's this is a different dynamic again the norse and greek that he's having to kill gods because they believe him to be something he's absolutely not and that they have a good grievance to have with him but it's not the the accurate one so to speak um i mean it's yeah that that would imagine the boss fight between kratos and jupiter like that could be so cool as well i like the series because you can have it have these really meaningful stories but it's still like epic battles between the figures from the holiday well known and jupiter could have like immense respect and love for zeus even though we know zeus is a piece of shit in that history um and he could talk about like all the horrible things were done and yeah and you could obviously bring athena back there's there's nothing stopping you from doing that which would have very heavy uh drama why do i imagine like kratos worked his ass off to save and sort out egypt and then he went back at the end and found that like the norse willed had been ravaged by the roman pantheon something while he was gone oh yeah that'd be that'd be a gut punch wouldn't it and the reasoning for it is because of what he did to the greek one it'd be interesting like what kratos and and like set would uh like those sorts of interactions could be cool there's just like a lot of a lot of interesting interactions of just kratos with this guy kratos with that guy you know it's just yeah when you characterize as strong as kratos is now it's because it used to be i want to see kratos kill this person this person this but now it's like i want to see kratos talk to this person yeah i want to see kratos talk to rah or osiris or set like the most beautiful thing that happened with kratos and thor wasn't their fight it was kratos compelled like trying to compel him to stop to put down the hammer that shit was so good mm-hmm way better than the last fucking thor we saw yes it's not even comparable one of them is a clown one of them has a great character uh you're right back just one second that'd be good seriously just excited if you guys say something is bad it's only bad according to your standards right so how can you say it is universally bad you guys stand as just that solid also hello rags if we said something is universally bad i assume we're referring to just it's generally considered bad or something but also i've said something is universally bad um generally we say like something's generally regarded as universally good or bad but that a thing is universally bad i mean i don't know what we'd refer to as it would probably be something that is just bad in all of its categories it has no redeeming qualities um they said hello rags oh hello reya is of royal vania blood the vania earth god so her doing this is reasonable are we talking about when she uh crashed the whole forest around kratos in the opening yeah uh we've already seen her do foresty stuff um or with the giant like that that didn't seem like a shock to me at all um also hi rags hello do you think kratos is woke because he isn't no i don't think kratos is woke i have a brain oh uh if you if you think kratos is woke you legitimately you have like mind rot you need to cleanse yourself of the the goggles that you view everything in the world through grow up phenomenal game but i hate odin's design characterization great voice great but his look it's so bland and boring i don't agree that it's bland and boring i can see why people wouldn't like it but i think it fits him pretty well i am quite fond of it uh i just think it all matches it's how i would expect the man to dress this i i think he holds himself the way i expect him to with how everything was shown to me of what he is what he does and yeah i was just very happy with it as for people finding it to be bland and boring it's like yes fair whatever i thought and odin were both very controversial and yes if if the biggest complaint you have about odin is his appearance hey pretty good stuff honestly yeah i was just really happy with the character i remember being so sad that it was like another 15 hours into the game before i even got another scene with him because i was just like please i want more odin and Thor um and i did get it uh i love the approach McCreary takes with his music his efforts are what make Godzilla king of the monsters one of my favorite soundtracks it wouldn't surprise me that that soundtrack is yeah i just i can't remember anything about it personally but it's it's been a while and i just remember charles dances in it and he says like three lines or something yeah then he's gone and also that they knew portland or something boston boston i can't remember like the boston and they have a terrible cover of godzilla at the end credits because movies just love terrible covers movie was weird and there's an even weirder one that came out we have what kong versus godzilla oh i thought you meant because i was about to say remember in the episode of willow where they have that dog shit tier cover of black hole sun i i actually ate the person who made the soundtrack for a willow they need to be stopped you need to be told to sit down everyone involved in making that show needs to just consider a different career path started from a mirror and ask yourself why why did you do it what possessed you and warwick please take some acting fucking lessons please a little bit yeah in a game where everything else is so richly designed odin's average appearance feels so out of place he looks nothing like the craven monster he was built up as in 2018 how about that i i was about to say why do you think that is why do you think that when they tell us he backstabs everybody he distrusts everybody steals things he annihilates like worlds he punishes and tortures everybody when you meet him he's like hi how you doing how about that you don't look like a backstabber yeah i think that i think you've just summed up the point perfectly in as little words as possible it's uh i quite love it i i loved his uh his vibe when he first walked in because of the fact that like looking back anyway at the time i was still like really trying to figure out what we were dealing with because even with thor uh he makes a really quick good impression but you still want to have the whole game uh or rather the whole story so that you can understand exactly what was being done but um just mami is part of what clued me on to being like oh man this is this is super interesting was mami is like almost desperate anger when he's uh he's he's pulled out of his little hiding spot um yeah because like it's it's just like you know calm down odin's being chill and it's like no that's that's kind of the point he's really like he's and he does it again when atreus talks about going to asgard he's just like what the fuck is wrong with you like i have been trying to tell you for ages anything you're thinking about in terms of oh no it'll work because this is like that's all a part of it that's all the the fucking pantomime he's putting on stop i have told you this a million times over stop trusting him and then synthetic man i was like he seems like a kind old chill dude like what i don't get it he seems so nice like yeah that's because you're a fool yes uh he doesn't rely on physical might or appearances can be deceiving doesn't mean his design had to be devoid of any kind of character see when you said bland and boring that's one thing but saying it's devoid of character i'm gonna have to say you're wrong on that one it's um it's very like uh uh grounded his appearance right he's wearing clothes he's remember as god is built like pragmatism his clothing will be pragmatic his approach to everything is like he's just he's a very like nuts and bolts type of guy but for the purposes of getting everything he wants and needs he's smart enough to try and look like that's not what he's doing what did heimdall say real power doesn't reveal itself until it needs to or something like yeah i think so odin for you i know nothing about god of war but i'm already crying probably about the fan ring the thing yeah which people still like wow you guys were defending that even though it's just like look if you can't deal with the arguments go away it's funny i was watching uh andle because that that our uh breakdown that'll be coming up um it'll be fucking rejoiced for many of your fans i imagine and uh you know um it's like the episode literally passed the one that we watched up to three and uh remember security guard man that we were quite fond of uh yeah yeah yeah yeah so uh we see him like i think the first time we see him in episode four he's gone home like his his original home i think to see his mom opens the door and i think uh i think she slaps him and then hugs him because obviously what's happened and i can't remember if he's tearing up or not but it's clearly sold as like a quite an emotional moment and i was just thinking to myself like if people really not get it like because you can make this argument for everything i'd be like i don't know this woman i've never met her before how am i supposed to interpret this scene how am i supposed to feel anything it's like plus his mom and she's probably slapping him for the mistakes he made in that operation and then she's hugging him because she loves him and he's trying to remain as stalwart and professional but it's the woman who raised him and so he's gonna crumble a little bit in front of it right like we know this because we know what mothers are typically speaking well a lot of us had them uh as well as we've seen you live with them you really get to know them well you've you've seen other stories in which there are parents so what i'm getting at is the same thing as fanrear it's like these uh these are basic things like usually the complaint comes in when there's zero context to understand the emotional stakes of what's happening i know atreus i know what it's like to have a pet it's sad when they die pretty simple if you're gonna be like that's just manipulation um i just i just start to wonder i might even think that i need to think about how i would categorize what is manipulative and what isn't yeah that would be an interesting discussion to delve into because i would probably start out by getting a bunch of examples being like well this one probably we don't i don't feel this is manipulation i feel like this is why let's find out why what what are the differences between manipulation and just i mean just i don't even know what's the inverse of manipulation being convinced well yeah because synthaniman called the uh the the bear thing manipulation is like i mean it just seems would we say earned or it is what it is it's just the same playing out as you would expect it to like when luke says i am a jedi like my father before me just like manipulation you're trying to manipulate me into believing that he is a jedi like his father before him um because yeah if uh you know if if you're watching a story unfold or that it just cuts to a little puppy who's dying slowly while suffering and then it cuts back to the story are they like we put that scene in there to make people feel sad i would be like what the fuck it looks like what are you doing but yeah you know we'll probably go over that the next time we feel like something like that happens i mean the zero one is a lot of what people want to reference in elasvis too and yeah it's just it's because it's so incredibly blatant and it's so poorly constructed in terms of uh there's one goal in mind and it's to make you sympathetic for that guy so that when he dies you can feel what abbey feels and then you can be on his side they did it so badly and it's so absurd to the scenario and yeah before the event happens too it's so funny if you can see through the in universe thing to just see what the purpose what what it's trying to tell you or what its purpose is that might be a way to sort of solve it i think yeah because that is probably one of the better examples to try and figure this out because if someone said like don't you think what he did is a good thing though i'd be like yes yes it shows that he's he's of a character that will rescue animals that are in need and stuff sure any problem is that doesn't really change what he does in the fireflies and what that decision means for example like if i'm beating someone to death because they uh they cheated in a game of cards you're like wow that's that's terrible and then you're like ah but you don't know the context behind it all or additional information it turns out they killed my whole family or something like oh okay but in this case it was more so do you know that yesterday before more did all of that he saved a cat from a tree like that doesn't change much of anything actually sure that's there's a good that he did that but you're not going to make it so that i now feel bad that joe killed him that's not happening you have to do a lot more than that the only problem is of course they to do what they want to make me feel on abby's side so to speak you need to change what happened in the last one but it's too late you can't it's its own done or it's never too late to try it oh they did try yeah meanwhile like you know ragnarok is just building its story it's not contradicting anything so that may be how i how i would try and uh sort of decipher what would be manipulation but like i said i um some people have asked like why i don't do more writing and it's like part of it because i'm still trying to figure out what i think of when i'm breaking down all these different stories and methods and now to be one for the the future to think about maybe digimon of the day is vaikmon vaikmon all right what do we got man you just don't know what you're gonna get with digimon do you really you legitimately don't which is uh yeah the fuck how come he wasn't in god of war it looks like it looks like an abominable snowman it's mixed with blastoise price you you could like see some of the ideas that they were having have just lashed hard you're like what's uh what's what's the goal here exactly do you like well it was some kind of addable i hazard to guess it was some kind of it then they like want to go with like a viking influence possibly but then also just those big fists i'm not sure what's going on there he's very strong he is he's a big fister not a fan personally i'm not a fan either i love when fringy says stuff with finality and confidence like that should have killed him he is absolutely dead he's dead i know yeah i hear it in fringy's voice yeah yeah also play ddlc dumbo's perhaps maybe one day maybe usually did you play the lost spirit side quest in vanaheim they reveal quite a bit about phased character that was previously unknown i did i was in part n or 11 of my playthrough but yeah he done made a mess in the hopes of stopping thaw which really helps out the uh additional understanding of the character uh but what if chris redfield punched boulder oh i hear puns that's existed like all this time it's probably the most famous thing about that game is that chris that isn't it absurd that there's like a quick time event where chris has to punch a boulder to death to solve his problem it's funny uh when you fight a boulder that you do have a moment as great as we punch big old stone wall to knock out portions of it to then throw it on to him but it's like yeah but he's a god like chris is a guy and he punched a boulder and chris is just a man whose biceps are as thick as his midsection right he's uh two-thirds of his width is just his arms uh love the game but here are some of my complaints fey confirmed near powerful as thaw thaw not the thaw from the last game he beat his own son to death pointless giant mass suicide via marbles you just well so fey went toe to toe with him because of the axe i thought that was the implication they made the axe in order to have it put up with uh put up a fire against thaw i think that was the idea um we don't know the nature of their fight exactly but yes she was uh fey being lau fey apparently she was like quite an incredibly impressive warrior giants are obviously judging from the game you get all kinds of different results if you're a giant you could be huge you could be small you can have different magical powers fey was a very strong warrior um he mirrors kratos quite a bit in terms of her abilities from what i think the implications are hence their kindred spirits sort of thing but i don't really have any problem with that uh it doesn't contradict anything from my knowledge and then pointless giant mass suicide via marbles i mean as described they feared uh the asia so much that not only were they hiding in yotanheim and they got rid of all of the ways to travel there they also hid themselves into marbles so that even if uh odin or the asia were to find them they'd only find corpses i i don't uh part of that is to do with them seeing their own futures and a lot of the giants would follow it to the fatigue and then i guess that they also thought that was a good hiding place not sure how i feel about the whole marble thing seems really weird sad yeah that you could do that uh yeah not just that he does a thing that you do anyway but it's also just like i don't know if someone was like quick let's all go into marbles i probably like i don't know man i mean i guess as a last like have we exhausted all other options well i don't even know if i would prefer to die or not as in as opposed to going to marble what is it like to be in a marble i i don't think they have a really talk i don't know is it just sitting there waiting or is it like going on pause like which is what i assume it is because you can't like you don't have a i assume you need like some sort of a body to experience things but the body needs the soul to like have a person you know there so i assume you just you know i would intuitively sort of think that if you don't have a body and you can't sense things you just it's like you don't exist and when you get a body it's like no time has passed you just you stopped experiencing things and now you've started again that time in between it's like when you're in like deep sleep and you know you don't really have a perception of time so much i would guess but i'm not sure how that works of course oh here we go this walking simulator but should the kratos we fell in love with and turned him into a pacifist a pacifist really you passed a fist across your face who tolerates being disrespected and threatened the old kratos would never try to reason with someone like oh dan well thanks for the super chat brainlet i mean come on man he isn't the old kratos that's kind of the point of the last 50 fucking hours at the end of level three he's not that guy anymore he's desperately trying not to be that guy i don't know if he knew this kratos in the first three games isn't really a good guy kind of an asshole um you just kill us people are in his way like isn't that cool oh no he kills kratos in this way brother like i don't know how you play it he will grab people like i i feel like an alien sometimes i'm like it's so awful that you could just kill fleeing civilians for their health orbs and other people like isn't that so badass it's like what no what's happening why uh um yeah you know the sea the the sea captain guy boat captain you know whatever but um i love it's like we fell in love with that kratos like i wouldn't say i loved that kratos that said i thought he was hilarious uh i would happily play as him you know if they had kept it going he was just a crazy psycho killed all the doors because yeah that game might have been fun sure um i'm glad they didn't do that though glad they went with what they went with and then like you know a pacifist he's not a pacifist my duty kills a shit ton of things throughout 2018 and ragnarok he's killing everything basically they even comment on it like yeah he kills but he's sad about it now who cares what a crowd that sort of shit like it's obviously poking fun of the fact that really at a broad sense he's still killing everything but we've got lots of reason and that's kind of what these games are trying to do um and then tolerates being disrespected and threatened does everyone forget he threatens to kill odin in that scene i guess they and odin threatens to kill atreus if if kratos does anything it's the same argument um synthetic man made it's like why would kratos endanger his son that's like his primary motivation is to not do that yep and then like later that night he has like an existential crisis because of the fact that his son is coming so close to death when it was like phased primary wish that he simply take care of his son and then the old kratos would never try and reason with someone like odin it's just like yep he's a better creator i got him yeah the combat sucks too the old kratos had a lot more depth than this one and he only killed people who got in his way he wanted to spare hercules he only killed people who got in his way and somebody didn't play the games and pay attention holy shit you and i know that's horse shit and i haven't played them absolutely what about that guy that you just killed when he's climbing out of out of the underworld he just like stabs him in the back for some reason no he was in his way friggy he was just in his way and then he kicks into his death when he's already up he's already up there and fine he just kills that guy he was in his way you didn't need to use his body for a lever and they were in the way those screaming civilians were running for their lives they were in the way also in the city that he was just because someone's in your way it's not an excuse like there is yeah well you're right that is doing the good for their life Thor's design is damn near perfectly accurate to mythos just a bit fatter Thor doesn't wear armor he wears pelts and bone this Thor's design character are fantastic i thought he was awesome yeah fun fact mamiya is voiced by senator armstrong i think people have like really yeah that guy does a shit ton of voice acting it's unreal mamiya how do we know you're telling the truth my sources i made it the fuck up Norse fun fact mamiya is actually Odin's blood uncle so is Loki yeah see there's gonna be some family tree elements that they're not gonna be able to maintain uh fake deaths aren't gaming stuff like this is for people who don't actually like video games but visual stories don't need a story to throw a ball um i why are you doing the thing where it's like you can't like video games and also like the the fake out Thor death thing i don't know yeah because i wasn't exactly convinced i understand a lot of the arguments people give but i don't i don't find them that compelling i certainly likewise i can see it would be cool if they could be propped by actually dying as well that he would do that but it seems like if you actually die in that scene you just die but if you you know you get to that point in the fight that's when that prox is like a bit more dynamism to it would be really awesome but the idea that it happens and that's bad for gaming i i'd need to be convinced of that a problem with Theo's idea what if you don't lose to Thor what then do i just not get a cutscene or what well yeah i think Theo would say that's fine you just don't get it exactly which to be fair i'm not against either i don't think that's yeah i don't think that's like an argument for why that should have not been an option at all there are a lot of things that can be missed in the game via playing better or worse um i tried to highlight one of them with that that dialogue that comes out of Freya depending on how you fight the ancient i like stuff like that i think it's cool uh qte's on pc are cancer when they tell you to press w instead of up arrow symbol or when they tell you to look for k or something like that yeah the issue with quick time events on pc is that you have a lot more options for buttons and on a controller your fingers are you're pretty much touching every button at the same time pretty much um so when they throw uh you know w e r t f c v x z spacebar all the you can't there there needs to be that like it just doesn't quite it doesn't work because you're too worried about now you're looking down at all of the things and you're not paying attention whereas like on a controller right you see the button you know exactly where it is boom you press it but on a keyboard and a mouse that might not necessarily be the case you'd have to look down to make sure you're pressing you know the right this or the right that if they choose oddly positioned buttons um but yeah you got to be more careful about that on a on a keyboard where you have one really not a fan of qte's generally yeah i'm not a generally not a fan of them there is a time and place for them that i often feel goes um unrespected let's say more base takes from fio people dad well why do you think we have him randomly came across a video from over a year ago which predicted odin would be tier and his reasons were fairly accurate well good for him that was a pretty cool prediction uh thaw killing and bringing craters back does also fit the story with odin telling thaw to not kill him in their fight well like you said uh i come if it was covered but obviously we're supposed to interpret it as a sort of like he got knocked out and then he tapped him and that took him back in they took that opportunity to show us a screen we're familiar with death and then they undid it to create that moment in in players to be like oh which um yeah i think it's a neat little creative use of the player character connection in video games that i that i appreciate and i think it's kind of neat and it's ultimately it's a very minor thing but i i think it sort of gets you know it keeps you on your toes and it was it was a fun little clever thing that they did and i liked it and i wouldn't lack of a better explanation by the way it's a moment for players to feel like the game reached out outside of its bounds for a moment there and i know i feel something a little different dearly it treats you the game it's the game kind of addressing the player in a way which can be good and can be terrible but i think for something like that it's nice i wouldn't be opposed to seeing more of that sort of thing in the future dearly it looks like shme from hook yeah he kind of did umo teeth throughout how kratos has mamiya as the other side of his coin turning his back on someone when he feels his own words inadequate could just be just a natural result of where he is but um yeah not not are they suggesting that like when kratos doesn't exactly know what to say and he can turn his back as a result that mamiya can almost act as they uh back up mamiya can then sort of uh try to chip in because i'm already thinking like that happens i think with tier kratos turns his back on him and then mamiya starts talking to him so maybe i mean they said motifs so i'm going to think about it devil fruit of the week meaning you will lose the ability to swim i believe if you accept this trade the ability is change any body part into any weapon assuming you can change it back and it's yeah painless then yeah sure that's pretty cool i mean i be honest with you i don't even need swimming then because i can turn one of my arms or legs into like a thruster or a propeller something like that yeah i guess i could count as a weapon would that count as a weapon uh a propeller you can definitely use that as a weapon to use it as a weapon or that is well that's kind of where i'm sort of going with this line of thinking right because i was about to say well an axe an axe is like clearly a weapon but it also is a tool right but a sword is it's just a weapon it's not like they're not good tools generally um a knife like that's a tool but it's also a weapon so i see what you say like where it is um in the spirit of the question if it's only some you can only turn into things that are primarily understood to be weapons we could probably still find something that would help with swimming right um i'm just trying to think what i don't know like primarily sort of weapons that you could turn yourself into but that would help repel you underwater maybe if you turned your arm into a wooden shield it would float the wooden shield wouldn't count as a weapon would it um it depends whether you kind of shield this weapon i probably would shields have an offensive they're used in tandem with weapons they're only generally used for a combat situation shields can have spikes and stuff on them to help only bucklers would certainly count as like weapons in a way um and how they're used i would say shields would count as weapon all right i was more so thinking about like generally in games there yeah what is the limit here is it only what humanity has come up with or is it like we have sci-fi weapons oh yeah i spoke you have like laser guns and stuff like that because even anything with like a propellant force underwater would then push you up right and forward depending on uh yes it would if you shot below you with enough uh yeah force the um basically yes to this deal i'm i'm i'm more than happy as long as i have control over it and it's painless and i can switch it back then i don't see why i wouldn't yeah i think for me i'm also in that category of might as well because i just never swim uh so i would almost by default get more use out of this though i normally have a weapon with me anyway by default but i guess it can't it can't hurt to be like oh and especially when we're talking about the axe or the knife thing like that's just a generally useful thing you could have on you at all times but you could also just carry a knife with you at all times as i do but i don't know i guess so i mean i guess it would just be fun and cool so i yeah i guess for that virtue alone it probably is worth it the excitement in his voice before he punched that chest is such a neat little moment i think they're talking about the boulder fight because uh i think anyway i'm assuming they're not talking about Thor punched the chest because i think um boulder punches Kratos in the chest and uh he's happy when he's hit by uh Kratos because i think he's he's always looking for an opportunity to feel something and i think he thinks that if i find an opponent strong enough to punch me hard enough that i'll actually feel pain again which um i have to imagine is a real thing right if you were numb to everything in life the idea of being able to feel pain might actually seem like a a reprieve oh we you know we had a character in hillhouse who was kind of the inverse of that she was she she would always feel things from other people she she constantly had emotions and things so feeling the inverse of that was just like unfathomably uncomfortable feeling nothing whatsoever absolutely nothing oh fuck you reminded me that payoff is so strong because isn't it good at first you believe like because she feels everything and she touches a corpse and uh she's like terrified and so when you're first going through the show you assume she saw something horrifying right like a monster yeah that's what you assume yeah how she died but then we find out later on that what she felt was absolute nothingness and it was like it was just horrifying experiences ever and that show was good what a great ending pity about the ending but man still worth um this just this says or a fear of death i'm not sure what it's connected to or what the question is sort of but all right yeah sorry i just i don't know yeah god damn it moly you forgot about crimbus i blame mootl i also hate summer fring fringulius you hate summer fringy is that what you're saying oh they're saying i hate summer too because fringy mentioned disdain for some portions of summer uh ironically this coming from a caribbean islander i didn't forget about christmas it's just that this year it was impossible to get things ready for uh you know if silent night were out that would be really fun to just watch for christmas thing and then i could maybe get that edited in time but oh my god i've got so much going on and metal's coming over soon so i was hoping to just maybe have a couple days where i don't have to you know edit all day but hey uh next year hopefully we'll we'll have a system set up that more efab movies are coming out i still want to get to the point where we have that coming out more regularly i do too um winter kings versus summer cucks death to the sun whoa death to the sun we kind of need it it's uh you know you know it's super useful for some stuff so we'll keep the sun the air is so hot everything burns fringy as he talks about the mythical australia hi rags hello yeah that's what it's like it hasn't been too hot this year though fortunately but summer's not apparently partway into it so i could get worse and it almost certainly will feast fringy together we can kill the sun and chill well i don't know if i want to get rid of it i just i just wish he would let me chill out a little bit and uh in the summer months just just dial it back just a little bit all right but my message last time i misunderstood the argument anyway beer's use of odd instruments like the accordion or the hurdy-gurdy will always impress me also i just adore the hurdy-gurdy hurdy-gurdy uh his work on ragnarok makes it so that i will like be singing his praises as a musician for a long time even if he made like several soundtracks that were worthless after it the it's a goldy when rings of power too electric boogaloo comes out and it's just got the most bog standard mediocre forgettable music in it i'll be like you know it doesn't matter it doesn't take away what he's done ratatosca's missing an eye it's odin i think um we're supposed to infer the because ratatosca said he was um he was near death when he reached igdrasil an igdrasil turned him into what he is now i think we're supposed to assume that it was like he lost his eye when attacked by something that he ran to to igdrasil i i guess we'd find a mole from mythology it's dangerous world out there for squirrel rags i mean that was literally the lesson of that merlin taught to you know wart when he was a squirrel he's like that it it is a very dangerous world and you need to keep your wits about you this is what it you know this is the life of a squirrel is you are constantly looking for things that we're trying to eat you or kill you um so yeah uh rags you're all right the rest of you are great well thanks i can get i suppose except fringy you make me feel things i haven't in a long time wow what what i mean uh have been watching since the first eve happen decided to finally pull some cash out of my tight butt happy holidays and all that oh thank you it's clear bea mccree re had strong vision for every ragnarok level rings of power there's so little to be inspired by i genuinely think that's that's the answer i yeah he was clearly there was one one of these projects he definitely cared about the other was just he had no passion for it seems i have to imagine when you're writing the music for a very story driven piece of media that it can so easily inspire you if you sort of are interested in the story yeah conversely there's nothing to latch on to it's hard to find ideas uh bea mccree re also did the ost for the king of the monsters which is honestly the best part of the movie check out the monsters themes especially rodents oh he's done a lot of stuff i wouldn't want to expect anything else i'm sure it's uh very i mean visually that film was pretty awesome too it's just the writing it was pretty cool yeah the writing was terrible yeah there's too much human bullshit yeah that goes back to the writing i metal you would say hi back ike dooma dooma wasn't even on that episode about it hi rags hello did you watch organized chaos obliterate ballers video i did oh organized chaos is so based in red piled based and he's piled on something he's so amazing at yeah man he definitely convinced me hall of his arguments were so good it certainly is well yeah because by the time this comes out you guys will have seen us watching his video on my video it's something else uh he really pushed the limits of talking about something like it's like he was paid to disagree with me no matter what like yeah no matter what you said and then it ended up that he contradicted himself plenty of times and that weird thing of shitting on dialogue bizarre that was really isn't that crazy yeah yeah like just because just because that was a very creative question i think i think it was drinker's suggestion right like have the characters have a conversation you know now that's that's original this is a visual medium even though characters talk in movies it's pretty yeah the movie critic who's just so stupid he's like don't poo poo dialogue my dude well i think it's just um it's the thing of where you've you've you've uh you pulled the wrong lessons from writing advice like you don't realize that show don't tell doesn't is not like a flat condemnation of dialogue you can show a not tell with dialogue it's called subtext like it's it's really the dialogue is incredibly useful because it's like a something of an insight into the way that a character is thinking but like it's not just what they say it's what they don't say or it's how they say it or when like i don't know it's a little more complicated than just visual good dialogue bad it's just really strange but hey anything to disagree with you i guess chat behave yourselves i don't know while i was over but all right hi mauler rags fringy and guests hello i left space there for you to say oh yeah hey yeah i was wondering if that was like a message thrilled there's a ragnarok slash gaming efap and that there's gonna be more than one also really enjoy this format mauler plus hi rags hello yeah i mean it could come up again sometime depends on what games come out what interests sort of aligns you know how it goes is a very interesting quote from the pros edda one of the main written sources for norse mythology naf is a giant who dwelt in yortenheim he had a daughter by the name night he was swavy and dark like the race she belonged to oh that that wouldn't necessarily mean skin color but it could that could yeah you're right dark but um a couple things i guess like she's yeah you know a dark skinned person or a person who's just more metaphorically dark ma prophecy writing is wishy washy boring on a good day boat is the boring prophecy talk in a gameplay is all the worst walking sim she gets cool again when she's given stuff to do yeah but well so this is kind of what we were trying to talk about with the prophecy stuff i feel like the game utilized it in a pretty strong way right especially when it's whole point it wants to make is the power of choice and uh you know like locking in this grand idea of prophesies of these horrible events and all these different deaths and stuff but simultaneously trying to drill it all the way down to someone like thorby and like we don't change we are monsters better to just do what we are be what we are according to who according to what this game obviously isn't saying that are the prophecies of the reason everyone's doing everything and that everything set in stone a lot of the prophecies you find on the shrines don't come true like it's worth mentioning one of the shrines you find has Thor dying to your maganda obviously more of a reference to the mythology but that does not happen in the game and that it's uh it's arguable that those the most important changes happened because the individual characters changed there i think atreus and thrude have more chemistry than atreus and angroboda um i think i agree i would say so i think atreus and thrude is much more interesting because of the fact they come from like warring families yeah yeah that's that element because you know kratos and atreus killed our brothers that too yeah or hates them but she doesn't seem to hate him quite as much she actually gets along with them it's it's yeah it's it's more of a uh clashing dynamic yeah follow me for two hours doing chores while i don't tell you where we're going who am i and why you should care most last of us two part of the game so now i'm just wondering what it means for something to be the last of us two like boring slash confusing because i was gonna say it's just like i'm weird that we throw that yeah like not accomplishing much with your time i yeah i'm not exactly certain uh she does give you plenty of information like it seems to me everyone who hates the ironwood section missed at least what the ironwood section achieves one of the big ones being of course it allows atreus to understand his rage form like that's that's pretty big in terms of developing him or at least his abilities the fate of the giants convincing her to do more with her life than what is written like these things happen there i know that none of us like ironwood but like you gotta acknowledge what happens there it's some things yeah i mean it did accomplish things it just took way too long to accomplish them there's way too much dead space in there in terms of potential uh what's weird is what else could they do with the marble souls put them back into the human giant bodies how many soulless bodies are walking around well so first of all before we can make that decision we need to know what the the people wanted when they went in and then what does it mean to be in those marbles and then what does it mean to be put into an animal none of these questions are answered and then they just do it yeah i think that's just a it's just a flat out i think a weak-ass part of the story um they want to make your maganda and that's what that is and then how many soulless bodies are walking around so that's a weird thing right we see what happens when the animals are taken of their souls they sort of wander and and they're like one of them's licking a stone because it's just done i i guess they die eventually their body would just run out of sustenance because energy yeah it would it would just starve which is a horrifying which you know a part of you want to it's weird because you kind of what you think like that's a terrifying thing to happen and they're like is there even anything yeah if there's no one if there's nothing in there to even feel it like nothing is getting experience it's literally just a robot like a flesh robot at that point it's just an automaton there's nothing in there yeah it's because it's not the there's nothing in there to feel the pain and anguish of wasting away it's just it's just a body a zombie so to say it essentially it's a zombie um but yeah without a person in there it doesn't i guess it doesn't mean anything it's almost like what's terrifying is the potential of you know that this it's kind of a and it goes from the shell to i think innocence talks about this with like dolls when we look at a doll we see like a body that makes us think of the the empty potential of what a human could be reduced to and you get the similar vibes with this and this and a body that doesn't have a soul in it um but again they don't they don't do too much with it so i could only assume that anything you do to that body is i mean the most like if you came across one of those bodies that didn't have a soul right then i mean it would be immoral to destroy it in the sense of if the point was to get the soul back into a body you know in a way that that does still belong to the if the soul is like no more it doesn't exist then that's one thing but if there's that person's soul out there that needs to get back into that body which it still owns then it would be immoral to destroy someone else's property at that point um and not just the moral implications of that's the vehicle for them to experience the world so it's more than just property destruction um you know it's it's the amount it's like you know krypton had its chance to destroy all the eggs it's it's the amount of potential that you've you know rid the world of things that just can't happen now because you've decided they can't happen um it's very abortive in a way uh it's unpleasant to think about but the that just wasn't really explored that much they were doing other things also one moment real quick he's got a only fringy played soma so we could make a great comparison to who's and then they name a thing that i'm not even gonna okay well good thing i missed that in chat it wouldn't spoil anything out of context but i'm not even gonna give you that sure okay yeah one day he'll play it one yep at least snakes have stellar throat game right also the giants went into pokeballs so that they could hide from the asia the asia are still around atreus what the fuck yeah we read this one out live because yes true uh the only stated purpose they're aware of for why they went into those marbles is not over it's still a thing so a basic respect of why they chose the action is being ignored just because atreus is like i don't know fuck it great man genshin impact is best explained as breath of the weave waifu wars got you back here ragas yeah also it's got your rates are horrendously predatory i i know nothing about genshin impact about the more i discover about it the less i know about it that's sort of my position i it seems to let the more i learn the less i like it uh fringy you once called bohemia boletaria all right i might have to hurry up that's you must have been thinking of something else when he said that demon souls i think is boletaria right i think so yeah maybe it's because i was playing demon souls because i got that for ps5 i need to come back to it there that's pretty funny boletaria i love the transition from the final phadream back to kratos's tent yeah like uh he he's sort of standing with or sitting with her and then the floor comes from behind him and then the the tent starts to come in from the top as well like they i think they do a different transition for each time he gets back into the real world from each of those i'd have to check it is cool nonetheless they had a lot of cool transitions in that game reminds me of uh actually hillhouse hillhouse loads of really good transitions for the past the present present the past or just finished callisto can't in good conscience recommend story and characters sorry can't in good conscience recommend story and characters are thin gameplay is mixed at best 11 ish hours extremely linear game with small side areas that dead ends gonna try signalis that's a shame in it thinking of the more i hear about the less i like have you noticed how much older kratos looks here like he's truly showing his age one of the few times in game it's heartbreaking yeah the the you can spot a lot of the like crow's feet and sort of um sort of standard aging elements that you'll spot i i'm curious if we go forward 10 years or something that if they'll uh they'll start considering making him like very like getting into much more of an old man kratos sort of stuff surprised definitely feels like eras of his life sort of thing but i don't know if they're ever gonna kill him i really do wonder if they'll they'll ever want to i was about to say it'll only be once the game stop making money but it's like that's they'll just not make them at that point though it speaks volumes of kratos's character and of how he raised atreus that both remember their interactions with people they care about so well as to recant their words to them in opportune moments that's the thing they they've spent so long with each other that uh the big epic sort of uh tragedies or adventure parts where something is said it's remembered their whole lives so and you know it wouldn't have been the only time that he would have said certain things it's just the time that we heard and saw them as well heimdall is just rags in god of war changed my mind i'm not i'm no rags is a lot not at all first off yeah i am a lot nicer than heimdall is secondly i have a i'm very optimistic i think maybe even to a point or to a fault in how good i think generally of humans um i i'm not i'm not a very cynical person at all um yeah i don't i don't see how you got that heimdall and i definitely are very different from one another i agree why does Thor still have the cut that was a particularly deep one didn't heal right i think we can say about that i yeah i mean getting hit by leviathan like that by kratos that's a that's a big deal big that's that's kind of wound that'll leave a scar i'd imagine maybe given a lot of time it would heal back up but maybe not it's a little bit hard to tell but both seem like they could be possible i love heimdall's haughty shit poster energy i really enjoyed him as a character i thought he was uh really well done and a great sort of just element to throw in among everything else and i think they took full advantage of his power as well and i don't know if that's what he's like in mythology but it was a cool interpretation of of how he could use power i think heimdall speaks acts and moves a lot like weyoon from star trek ds9 extremely close resemblance to push very similar traits have you seen ds9 rags no i actually haven't no i know very little about deep space nine i haven't seen either neither right new amnesia has come in shady boy i uh oh they said how about that i i am very much scorned i i'm not happy with them so it would take a lot now for me to come back it would have to be the game has an incredible trailer that tempts me beyond belief and then several people i trust tell me it's an amazing game that's the only thing sorry who's this new amnesia game oh yeah freak i mean you i mean moller and i are on the same page on that one like i the best that i could say that i have in terms of curiosity for the next game is is i i guess just i mean it would be like the next i mean the rest of the willow season it'd just be like wow is this how bad will this be and in what way i have no confidence whatsoever that the game will be good but there always is there there's that element of me that's like legitimately curious where do they go how do they course correct if they do or do they just make another shit video game uh amnesia we both felt like getting slapped by a friend uh kind of and so i just i feel disrespected i'm just i'm not i'm not getting involved like i said i have to be unique circumstance for me to give that thing a chance i was like nah how about i'm thinking so pretty much the same for me hola ragola hola yes any ssd is an upgrade from mechanical hard drive but you don't need to overspend for nvme games don't benefit from the large bandwidth yeah the only the only really good one that i feel like specifically in this computer like the boot drive the c drive is the fastest one the others are not because they don't really have to be um but you know i some games you know they benefit from ssd a lot of them do in fact you know in fact a lot of games and the recommended for them they say you know and now ssd yeah it's uh well i mean it's it's part of what's being pushed with like playstation 5 and kind of to elas works at xbox but especially the playstation it's like super fast like loading times it's really fast ssd just today as i've been piddling around in guild wars i've noticed that whenever this a group that i'm in goes into an instance i'm the first one who's moving and grooving and i'm waiting for other people to they're still sitting there loading as their characters are part of the world the characters have been sort of loaded in but they're still you know they're still at a loading screen and i've you know gone ahead you see it speaking of fun mythological games with excellent character writing an absurd amount of optional dialogue hades go play at dumbo's i've heard good things lots of guys but also hollow rags hello people were expecting patrick stewart odin instead we got soul goodman not definitive odin but for what it is i like it and we were we were expecting patrick stewart odin like a very official by the books um not very personable you know duty-minded character i don't know is that what we were expecting i had almost zero expectations beyond what i've been told in the 2018 game because i thought i was trying to avoid any more information i don't say that that was my experience um i was just happy to see what they were gonna do and they've earned they're the opposite of amnesia rebirth where if that same team made the next game it wouldn't matter if the opening hour was all stuff i didn't like i would be like i'm gonna have to wait until the entire game is over before i judge it because i have so much faith in these people and then you know if i complete it and it was shit i'd be like right i think that's kind of what happened with me and amnesia rebirth i tried to give as much good faith as i could for a while of course i mean i think everyone did i mean look at the pedigree of the company you're dealing with a fear flashes and you're just like it's fine it's fine it's fine this won't be the whole game this will be this will be a little just a little temporary thing just to get us on edge maybe i'm fucking something up maybe i'm supposed to be using the matches in some way i'm ever supposed to stay in the light more you know like some some stuff is probably wrong i'm probably doing something yeah coming out yeah just guys coming out after amnesia the dark descent and soma hitting amnesia rebirth was like a fucking brick wall it sucked it was just unbelievable what an insane disappointment love you guys here is loot well thank you cheers some hack silver for the lads thank you thanks i love loot this thaw is a lot like guys in my family it's the thing a lot of people related to either thaw or throod and what was happening in that relationship not exactly uncommon this isn't odin source it was revealed to me in a dream nice i wish i could get some of that it's a it's a thing it's a complicated thing when someone says this isn't the odin that it should be and stuff they could very well be people who've never even read a lick of fucking north pathology but at the same time maybe they would defend it that way to be like i don't have to have read it to know that this is not how you do odin there's almost like a perception of what a character should be and i think a lot of people do accept that that has nothing to do with any particular source it's just what we believe the the thing is and i feel like the original games really did create a lot of their characters based on that sort of system zoos looks exactly like how most people think zoos looks that's just it was nothing subversive about zoos except he was kind of a dick but even that is kind of like well you know he's dick things so but then they revealed all the gods who became dicks because of pandora's box being opened so i'm still not clear on what a lot of god will fans think of that kind of retconi and also takes their agency away a little bit even to the point that when you're beating up zoos at the end of god will three the the black smoke comes out of him as if to imply the evil from pandora's box has been released i'm not sure what you're supposed to make of that exactly either like it like once you do that is he back to being a good guy and he's like oh no don't kill me but it's too late though hades as was talked about before it's still somebody that i think a lot of people like you don't design him that way boo so you know i'd like to say marvel's Loki is bad because he wasn't impregnated by a horse not giving birth to an eight-legged horse absolutely ruins loki's character stuff like that is why the whole like after adhere to source argument starts to get troublesome a lot of things that people are not going to want to be accurate but then it's like so you only make accurate the things you like a bit awkward wait is god of all ragnarok just a ripoff of hook odin has one eye captain hook dylan is me atreus is pond pan son who goes to hook kratos is pan kratos does kind of seem like peter pan doesn't he they're very similar not hearing any disagreements no no not not from us righty then i saw a review from someone who's confused why atreus was sad that fenry is passing when he had hunted a deer earlier some people are beyond help oh gee i can't imagine why atreus is chill with hunting a deer but he's sad when his fucking wolf dies i can't imagine the wow your pet dog died after spending over a decade as your loyal friend yeah but you squashed a cockroach the other day so wow you had chicken for dinner but you're sad when the dog dies weirdo pretty fucked up hmm gee some people are assuming this is not a made-up story geez what a retard just got my fringy and molla plushies they're great one to go high rags very grumpy hello oh super glad you're happy with it yeah uh funnily enough my fringies have delivered i still haven't got my mollus yet really okay i just got mine the other day they have arrived probably check the site actually the updates um i love how the nonsay intends and everyone remembers kills yeah i read this one out because yeah everyone everyone talks about it as though it's it's in stone and that's why it's motivation but uh i'm dal's intention to kill atreus uh was it was like born out of him noticing atreus's motivation to subvert as god but that changes as you can find from bonus dialogue if you talk to i'm dal he's like hmm you don't even know what you want to do and how interesting it is that ultimately it is it is heimdall's intentions that get him killed you do not get to decide my fate fringesoy the nons reinforcing kratos's lesson to atreus intentions do not matter only the consequences top notch stuff well in relation to the result right like it's at that point the intention is not going to do anything because what happens next is going to just i i quite enjoy it as a sort of like but i didn't mean for thing to happen it's like that's great man real useful at this point but yeah obviously kratos uh he's still destroying apathia but for completely different reasons better reasons go to go the the nons are just like lol it's your story will end so soon what's an endgame time kratos would have died if it weren't for his character change saved by friendship i think um there's a lot of ways to interpret that would kratos have died had he not made significant changes in his decisions in the end game of ragnarok it's possible maybe if he continued to attack thaw maybe he kills him and then throod is like works without him to stop you there's a possibility and maybe it actually works you know there's lots of different ways things could roll out differently if kratos hadn't decided to save the civilians to save or what um remember they delay ragnarok as a result of him trying to save the civilians is all kinds of ways that if he hadn't he may have died there you know um however it could be that uh when they say pity your story will end so soon if the nons are like ethereal creatures that lived forever then him dying soon could mean you know one day one century one of those things they weird maybe uh maybe a story doesn't necessarily end because of death maybe it's like yeah you finish your journey you finish your arc of sorts and that in a way that means your story is done to them who knows you know if you reach your yeah who knows who it's very open ended to interpretation which is uh there's no reason to think that no one's can't lie they could probably also then uh brock x kratos best bro ship yeah really good job with that absolutely they did if you equate the nature of a thing to its purpose or function and surely its form is equal importance not less perhaps i misunderstood but even in context what brock says seems kind of flimpy all he's talking about is uh the form form might tell you something's nature it's potentially possible especially like in mechanical sense but whether or not you have that what he says stands true the the nature of the thing like what it is what it wants what it does is going to be more important as information than what it looks like which is all you really get it it's also very important to in you know in the way that the question was worded do not link some things um uh nature with its purpose because in a way they're they're they're in great opposition because something's nature is what it is and it couldn't be any other way um whereas the purpose of a thing is something that's imbued upon an object purpose is purpose is not intrinsic to something whereas something's nature is um so for like the like um a a purpose requires a a user of a thing or a mind uh to use something for a specific reason purpose or function to try and broaden it out I think on purpose these which kind of comes back to what you said about the axe earlier right like you look at an axe you're like weapon it's like well yeah what's the purpose of an axe is like well generally we know what it is used for but that's still a generalization it's just useful to say that when in truthfully the purpose of an axe is whatever I essentially want to use it for I imbue that axe with purpose through its usage and it does certain things better than others which is why generally when you say what's the purpose of an axe we can all agree it's you know for chopping things uh but it's it's not necessary to the you know to the metal and the handle and everything it's not it's not intrinsic to it that its purpose is to do anything yeah and obviously what's happening is what is Kratos the god killer like one way to summarize him what is his nature it's like he doesn't want to kill everything in fact he's kind of against it at this point just because and then you know what is he I love that sequence so much it's like what is he doing right now he's like he's crafting a weapon to kill a god that will likely start a war that will end in bloodshed and it's like so he's doing everything that he did in the originals he certainly looks like something right now and it's like yeah yeah yeah yeah but think about why he's doing all the things that he's doing and that's what they start saying him and Atreus back and forth to each other throughout the third act why are we making these decisions is uh is there the right thing to do not because it's written that sort of not because we match some kind of bad thing in terms of our form our nature is more important don't touch my spear gross piv yeah well I guess is that how far we are right now in story with brock and forming the spear huh ready perhaps the two spears also refer to the two faces odin puts on in the story as both he and tear have spears associated with them uh it's possible possible is when they were talking about that shot where he's between the two spears and it very much looks deliberate yeah it's it's very deliberate I just kind of wonder what they were thinking when they did that in terms of what they wanted us to yeah be thinking about um and fey was an example of fridging reference for anyone remembers efeb episode and high rags and this is the thing man I I just like I was never convinced by that whole fridging thing I just won't be um I need them to address uncle ben is that fridging and if it is then what what the fuck's the point of this anymore if a character dies for the sole purpose of it seemingly in the story of motivating someone else to do something that's bad or I guess it's not even that it's bad it's that it's a trope and that it like removes the agency and meaning from that person which I just like I mean it's all in that episode I don't know why I bring it up it frustrates me long time listener first time caller it's not the typical efap speed but I'd like to recommend causeway a new film from a 24 slash apple tv plus I haven't heard of it neither have I uh strong through line incredibly well realized characters who are expertly performed and yes themes but not at the expense of plot or characters also high rags oh well all right we like themes yeah we do like things it took us like we like things that are convince our audience we actually like them yeah we like themes that are well supported by the material thanks ryan they're not contradicted the messaging of the film it's like the version right it's like now a lot of people see that as like a dirty word so sad so many of the great time to subversion exactly what is unforgiven if not one of the biggest subversions of like its genre ever yeah um I've been looking forward to this that's three different people who've said that quality meme quality meme from it is a quality meme from uh well beloved films let's call them yes they definitely are yes damn you mubishly it's still not done with 215 it's not my fault I'm sorry ten and a half hours last time and we haven't even gotten to the real good stuff yet I don't think my heart is ready also higher frags and oh sorry high rags and frongo hello I guess we're on pot too then what's up peeps I'm bricked up and ready for this breakdown bricked up bricked up it needs to be bricked up but like alcohol or were you ready to take a shit I don't know what I mean maybe he missed maybe he missed I'm bricked up I'm ready to lay a big old brick ready to lay a brick oh my goodness I hope it doesn't I hope it's not brick shape that would be very unpleasant if it was brick shaped them edges um maybe he misspelled what bricked up the problem is I'm trying to figure out what the word would be yeah trying to figure out what would be the word I've been looking forward to this part two take two nice yes so we are the second part of this big old journey e-faps violent night for Christmas I would it's just not out it's not out yet so I said sit in theaters we can't exactly turn that into an e-fap movies you know but perhaps next Christmas maybe chat doesn't have all their soul bits oh hey guys same thing I said about the last of his two streams I've never played a single god of war game but I'm totally engaged when you guys go over games also I totally dig the new format that's good to hear I do hope that people who have no context for the stories we cover get enough context to understand them you know I hope so too um because I went into Ragnarok with not too much context you'd show me stuff you'd shown me stuff from 2018 yeah but for the most part I went in not really knowing too much so I got a great deal out of the story and the characters even with my very limited amount of context uh thank you guys for entertaining while I'm at the hospital with a massive hole in my neck oh no well since you typed that out I assume you're you're making it you're all right hang in there so whatever may be happening I hope it's not too massive of a hole whatever it is that's going on there any thoughts on Home Alone 3 it's my favorite Home Alone because it was the first one I watched for my grandpa I can't even know if I've seen Home Alone 3 I'm trying to think of what it is I don't know if I've seen Home Alone 3 either I've seen one and two for sure but uh I don't know about three home let me uh let me maybe the cover because I made a bunch of Home Alone movies didn't I like there's a Home Alone 3 1997 um who's in it Scarlett Johansson David Thornton Haviland Morris Alex D. Lins but but this is like I guess this is not well I mean it was written and produced by John Hughes directed by Raja Ghaznel Raja Ghaznel maybe um mixed reviews doesn't look like we have see da da da da da yeah I I guess we got a new kid it's not the McAllister's anymore a Peter plot is Peter Bioprah Alice Ribbons Burton Jernigan and Earl Unger are for for internationally wanted criminals who work for a terrorist organization I don't think I've seen that one the thing I only saw oh I've definitely seen I've got zero memories of this oh in Silicon Valley California they steal a 10 million dollar missile cloaking microchip and hide it inside a remote control toy car to sneak it past security at San Fran International Airport however a luggage mix up causes a Chicago bound elderly passenger named mishass to inadvertently take the thieves bag containing the car I have seen this I have when I was a young lad I I I have uh memories particularly of specifically the terrorist guy when he learns that the toy car is bound for Chicago he says we are going to Chicago and then it cuts to another scene but I I remember very little about this but I have seen it yes interesting I think the name of the kid is um I don't know I don't even know who the fuck is it Alex Pruitt and Scarlett Johansson plays Molly Pruitt who I assume is that's the name of the guy in midnight mass the reverend you priest I don't know Pruitt my second grade teacher in school her name is Miss Pruitt oh weird that I remember that also y'all watching cocaine beer yeah maybe maybe I don't know maybe devil fruit of the week this is the one again you gotta sacrifice swimming for the beast beast fruit which allows the user to generate and manipulate biscuits at will fucking yes yes absolutely yeah generate them I can solve world hunger or at least close to it I guess the world's gonna have to eat biscuits but I don't know this gotta be imagined imagine imagine that power also manipulate the biscuits what that means like telekinetic but with biscuits biscuit kinesis okay do like uh yeah uh what would it be do be yeah I don't know that's just I have to think on it yes basically I can't see any downside to this really uh who gonna immune and thought and memory is that what they mean I do not know sure they mean something theories on what's behind the rift could it be us I don't think they would go for that I could believe that it's like pure knowledge I just don't know how that would manifest if if an entity was to absorb it you know what does it mean to have all knowledge I wonder how that how that would go but uh because I have a feeling that's gonna come back whatever that rift led to is probably gonna be more to that in the future games like every it would be interesting if every pantheon or every culture kind of had their their own tear or the tears were kind of like the orbs in amnesia where like every like multiple civilizations are aware of them and what they do with them is you know what they do with them but they're almost like this universal kind of mysterious thing that different cultures can get a hold of so maybe this rift into ultimate truth is something that you know in different realms worlds and dimensions can be accessed potentially by people I think that um it's worthwhile considering the with Odin and Zeus being dead that that could cause something like uh yeah um in that world potentially those guys were holding something back or something didn't happen because they were alive and that or they had a project that were working on together that is now you know something that's going on there's lots of things you could do with the fact that two of the the biggest gods of all time in terms of culture are dead uh was busy guy yeah wow an efap episode and the plushies on my birthday this is a good day thanks for all the content guys and high rags hello hello after 200 I started a start to finish efap binge and thank god for two time speed and 12 hour shifts but now y'all sound blasted at normal speed whoa can't watch because I'm not done with ragnarok yet I I've had that before when I've listened to something for a long time on times two and then it goes to times one and for a moment what's wrong with you yeah I'm like why are you guys talking like it's slow bullshit what's going on uh Odin lucky no one looked for tear in his room no so the way it would have to work is the nobody goes into the broom closet the thing that Odin is relying on is that he's like I've been tortured for many many years I just please when I go in here please just leave me the fuck alone and the way that they get his attention is they'll knock the door and ask him to come out so um you could say you can might be able to uh relay to Odin who knows yeah like as soon as there's a chance of them doing anything it might be the uh it would be munin at that point would would call for Odin um I think you can argue there's some level of luck to it but I would say it's still in the more likely camp that nobody was gonna just burst in there suddenly and if and if they open it up and he's nowhere to be found that's not like an unsalvageable situation yeah he has to then port back somewhere else and be like I was just walking around I was I was wandering around Yggdrasil you know that sort of thing I think a cool detail is that uh when you find him in um bottlefine if you look around the room you can find a couple of raven feathers cool Susan be like great bleeding fuck you freed raw Susan feels that way about a lot of people uh this injury doesn't respect Atreus's right to bear arms I think he's cool with him having bear arms it's just when you yeah nice joke though yeah I really enjoyed how Loki has some secret sly tricks to hero there but causes a lot of chaos often unintentionally like with Garm yeah they tried to obviously crank the Loki elements in his personality there's he wasn't called Loki for no reason not the god of wisdom I'm dull constantly has to hear what they think of him if he has to put up with them he probably thinks it's only fair that they put up with him yeah I think that there's a reason he's the way that he is to do with his abilities it's a shame because if he was you know if he was a really nice person people would probably be really nice to him but I think because he is I think he's grown naturally cynical as a person when he behaves that way in front of other people they have a negative impression of him and so it kind of feeds in on himself hello molla fringy and rags hello hi receive my awesome molla and fringy plushies eagerly awaiting rags next I'll tune back in once I finish Ragnarok oh awesome yeah I got them too they look uh they look really good um as I I think the rags ones will be arriving what like probably weeks from now right early yeah I think uh early January something like that I can't remember off the top of my head though so it's funny to hear you praise the wrath's path introduction when I think it's the worst time to do it having a big single target base move introduced during a huge hold battle seems counterintuitive I think it'd work better during the heimdall fight the wrath's path introduction oh they're talking about um the form of rage mode where you can have the rage drain for like a boosted attack just they're saying I think that's the worst time to do it having a big single target base move introduced during a horde fight seems counterintuitive um the thing about it is it doesn't like wipe out one huge target in the same like it doesn't it wouldn't do that for like any of the mini bosses it just does a significant chunk of damage but it does instantly wipe out most of your average mobs I think it it makes a lot of sense to introduce it there uh and they definitely don't want to introduce it as late as like the heimdall fight I think that's uh you're running out of time at that point right in terms of letting people use it in the story but um I don't know it's uh I can I can understand why why you make that argument I think kind of fair um oh that's a shame zero punctuation was not all that fond of the new god of war sad face well I haven't seen his review me neither but I often find myself either agreeing or disagreeing with him here and there you never know respect for the man for uh going for this long you know absolutely Cooper he's a very talented person uh how would you rank the god of war games um I think it's been said before obviously ranks and freeing you can't really answer in terms of ranking all of them uh for me it's it's as they were released my favorites from least to most is one two three four five ending my playing the psp games and ascension which I think I might do when uh metal comes in a language that Kratos killed personally oh Greek kind of I mean there's still plenty of people who speak it left yeah the nature of its existence is I suppose up in the air in terms of it yeah well the what happens at the end of god of war three is that all of the people who were left were like screaming and running around the implication of course being that this is a horrible place to be but they are alive and Athena's planning to make the place better so probably actually really difficult to wipe out a whole like culture you got to get everyone I get them all it's hard to do people don't generally want to die so they'll try not to die why did the mask go to hell if the piece isn't there but they went to Helheim because of a mistranslation and then it pointed them to Garm I think we're supposed to assume because it attunes to the goals of the user uh and then a user has to be a giant question mark and uh Atreus sense is like larger creatures that are in pain slash suffering whenever he goes to any of these realms did it with the huff kufa and uh I think there was another example right um or which realm it would be but I'd have to look around but yeah obviously it is precedent of a sort I think that is the interpretation we're supposed to go with there's nothing open for it I don't think there is a Polish movie o dwoch takich drachels the the two who stole the moon made in 1962 to the two twin brothers decide to steal the moon and sell it so they don't need to ever work nice I wonder how much a moon's worth some moons are definitely worth more than others some moons are great some moons are shit like Pandora that's a moon right I just I'm still stuck on the healing it pot do you need like a net would a net do it I don't know if she'd do it but maybe you could use like um like what what a grew do he used a shrink ray right was it grew the did it or grew his villain and yeah and he's I don't remember anymore because he's that guy right the one that's in the guy yeah yeah like the the end of mode looking dude yeah um I don't I he wanted he's he he was really obsessed with a freeze ray wasn't he oh yeah I think so you're right but I think grew was gonna we needed to shrink it no wait grew use the freeze ray didn't he in the beginning when he he wants to get in front of the queue at like the starbucks or whatever and you free oh yeah yeah yeah I haven't seen that movie in so long I can't freeze right I think that's the yeah I haven't seen it in ages I remember liking it but mm-hmm it became an abomination as far as I'm aware yes like many things that just keep going and going I'm sort of a Norse mythology expert myself spider-man a lot of them popping up yeah a lot of them earlier before Kratos talks about slipping back into his old ways then delivers the most violent kill to an enemy since oh gee god of war get wrecked Heimdall that's the thing man I saw a lot of people saying it was weird that he thought it was just like I guess the gore aspect because a lot of people said like that that kill on Heimdall was a little more creepy than any other kill creators has had yeah it was very personal and up close and his face was fucked up and you know his last words were calling him a monster and yeah it wasn't it wasn't really quick it was you know it's strangling him essentially I'm a mere compelling him not to in the back brother brother don't force isn't who you want to be good stuff Heimdall maybe a shallow character but he's so important in the story like I said I don't think he's shallow I don't think he's shallow he doesn't have as much time as a lot of other characters but in the time that they have they've created somebody who I understand and who I don't think it's one dimensional we saw it it was that battle does a lot of work to emphasize his flaws his flaws more so than just being an arrogant asshole right like where it all comes from dimensions right it's like what does that even refer to it's just like how many modes of operation does the character have and what do they care about and how can they conflict and so it's like what do we get at first it's like arrogant asshole who thinks he knows everything it's like right mode one what else we got it's like we already have mode two where he's an arrogant asshole who thinks he knows better than everybody to everyone except Odin when it's Odin he shows massive respect and submits to anything Odin says like oh that's kind of interesting and then of course like having him be like oh please don't kill me oh no like like this is like uh oh this is this is adding to it because the arrogance is almost unfounded but the second he realizes that uh it's actually through pity it's like there's loads of things getting added on but I think yeah it makes him it makes him more complicated than one note and I think it's pretty straightforward when he says you do not get to decide my fate I feel like that line basically defines him like pretty clearly this is this is his core he sees all and he knows how other people act and he believes that he is totally in control and the notion that he isn't is unacceptable and consequently it actually results in his death yeah he could have walked away like it's it's it's all it's all very ironic right you think you get to walk away that's not how this works it's like it is Kratos is giving you an opportunity to walk away but you can't see that you refuse to accept it and then yeah you get some self-killed like basically essentially yeah he does yeah and I think Mamiya knew already right I don't think a warning is going to cut it yeah he knows wow because he knows better but yeah it's just such an interesting dynamic that this guy who sees all and knows all and is like incredibly in control of situations because of that is hyper insecure the moment that that gets challenged he's just not used to it and like to me that's dimensions yeah um like I said he's he's he's nowhere near as complicated as like Kratos Freyja Oden but he's still got he's still got depth and what little time we get with him that's what's so impressive about the uh about the writing in the game is that even in very small moments with uh with characters you just get the sense it's kind of like you know it's like the the iceberg theory right for writing where even though you have you know not a whole lot of information if it's written well it just sort of conveys a lot more information beneath the surface it feels like it's built on top of something that you haven't seen but that you can infer good stuff absolutely uh y'all didn't mention with the spear Kratos now controls all the elements fire blades ice axe earth with mealy and now wind with the spear that's kind of interesting and thought of it but don't forget about heart I um I if they make a new game I am genuinely going to be curious which of the weapons they're going to drop if any because all of them are so well because I mean he's got it if he goes to Egypt he's got to get some Egyptian weapon that's the thing I wonder if they'll they'll just commit now and be like right we're gonna have these three weapons and we're gonna add more and then we're gonna add one more you know until he gets it all yeah doom style the thing is like I can't see like if you just drop the drop near spears like really I want to keep the I want to keep the spear it's too personal there's anything that I would drop I would get rid of the axe is I think there's reason behind that being that it's the Norse weapon and if he moves on from the Norse land it's like I can see him well so so it's not it's not a thing it was a begrudging letting that one go because I'd want him to keep them all because what I like is that um it feels like each of those weapons not only do they fill a clear slot in terms of their utility but narratively you've got the Norse weapon that belongs to his wife then you've got his old Greek weapons and then you've got drop near which is a combination of the both to spot and spear but it's made using an you know an aspect of Norse mythology it's really awesome and if you want to keep batting on he's a god of war makes sense that he has a whole bunch of weapons yeah the problem is it's just it's a matter of uh can you design it and balance it in a good way yeah exactly you know it can get to a point where the more weapons you add the uh the harder it gets to make each of them feel unique and the harder it gets to balance it all yeah you want to have maybe weapons be more roll oriented yeah we don't want to do well we want to do the thing that Halo does right compared to Call of Duty where each weapon in the Halo sandbox uh is functionally distinct from the other like even when you're like the SMG isn't quite the same as the assault rifle even though they're both fully automatic medium range weapons you know the SMG is a little bit more short range and the uh the the assault rifle is medium range and it's kind of the shallow clip is specifically designed to tie into like melee attacks whereas the SMG is more of a dual-wield weapon you got your blades of chaos with your crowd control with lots of cleave to them aoe fast aoe and then you have your weapon have you hit a you know yeah probably your you probably want your your spear could be single target damage for the most part uh because it's a spear you stab with it um it's got some range to it as well maybe the axe has got a lot of crowd control associated with it you know it's a a general all-purpose thing that's good at keeping enemies stunned or slowed down things of that nature there's a lot of options that you could explore I feel like um well the problem is that well it's not really a problem I guess drop near kind of slots into the projectile weapon slot pretty well because all I was saying is like maybe the next one's projectiles but magic of it I don't know it might be it just gets harder to to carve out like a niche but that's something that um yeah I'm not sure I'm not sure what what would be the Egyptian weapon though if they picked one that was like a quintessentially Egyptian weapon of course had the co-pash uh right had uh generally they had maces were big in Egypt generally the the mace was a symbol of authority oftentimes a pharaoh or a general would be depicted with a mace um you know a good bludgeoning weapon uh you've got of course spears bows and arrows you know and all kinds I feel like it would be the co-pash right surely that's the most iconic yeah um but the problem is that it's essentially a sword axe it's a sword uh but maybe that's the nature of it right the axe is the axe is very much an axe maybe the sword slots into the middle ground between the blades of chaos and the um and the and the axe and that it's like it's it's kind of like the happy middle ground it's stronger than the blades of chaos but it's faster than the axe maybe that's the way it works maybe I mean it's tough maybe tied into melee combat right like the sword and the axe together it's possible that the instead of maybe a a runic based magic system we go with something like instead of Egyptian weapons being given to you maybe they could be tied into the like to the rage modes or your special abilities that you activate that's when the Egyptian stuff comes out um maybe you maybe a god or goddess gives you a blessing of some kind and you could summon their power for a short time um or you just instead of saying you know we already have essentially two sword-like weapons you have you give them the mace you give them the the the single target big anti armor um you know clobber and weapon uh but there's a lot of options to do they have so much to work with and there's so many things that you could do with it they mentioned this boat in helheim in the last game uh you talk about the boat we use in the first the 2018 game oh the the playing boat yeah or are they talking about the fact that we're on a boat that was rigged up with the uh to float or the yeah they maybe they're talking about how we referenced freya's floaty boat in the previous game like that's possible I remember that uh that wouldn't surprise me yeah I can't quite recall but wouldn't surprise me Chad birger yeah he yeah he is sacrificial so about Odin not sending everyone he has to get heimdall home or at least take the key to as god off him since he knows craters wants to kill him I I don't know that he has any concern really that he actually would kill heimdall and he probably told heimdall not to uh do x ylz but like at that point it's just heimdall's doing what heimdall wants to do I think I don't know how that would that would work right because we know that Tia knows that craters intends to kill heimdall does Odin then say hey heimdall one of my best warriors don't don't want exactly you know don't all right I've just seen something that's just so you know how like a couple of days ago was the fifth year anniversary of the last Jedi I've seen I've seen a twitter thread um where someone's like that they're praising the holdover maneuver they said three stories came together in an explosion it's like it's really funny isn't it because it's like that's one way to look at it that's one way to look at it is like ah the three stories have you know coalesced into one epic moment that destroyed everything it's amazing five years ago yeah you don't see as much loud praise for that film though it's kind of funny you really don't but you see that with a lot of things right like who is uh who's still talking about whatever the what were the more praised marvel projects of the year well moon night the sentiment turned on that one i guess shang chi's one that didn't really get turned on as much but i mean people have been shitting on simulia a lot lately so yeah he's uh maybe well he's pretty cringy he's pretty cringy the thing that he because they put the the trailer out for the new barbie movie which he's in and i think he tweeted something like just i gotta find it tarantino thing it was related to the tarantino thing or at least that's all that anybody could see based on let me see he said it's all just formulae superhero movies nowadays upside down smiley face and yeah of course it's like dude like get over it like i don't you know what i mean like chill but i mean that that would be an example right like veteran or two directors of sort of shitting on the industry you was like an upcoming actor getting on the back is just it just looks awful uh yeah especially when shang chi and i guess the sentiment did kind of because people started clowning on that for like the visual effects like in that final battle how it's just this big gray like brownish gray space like on a cave like next to a cliff where the spider's happening and it all just doesn't look real at all but i mean that was one of the ones that people were praising more so than the others but like at what point how often is somebody in you know let's say in 2025 just going to be like do you want to rewatch shang chi the legend of the 10 rings like who's going to just do that including the people who said it was good no one's going to do that because it's all disposable people watch it and then they consume it and then they have thoughts on it at the time but then it doesn't have any enduring legacy it's just gone and forgotten but people still rewatch iron man i don't know if we're in an era of disposable entertainment it's really lame i saw that there was uh on twitter it was trending like hashtag fire james gun he's really yeah he's only just started it's his first month on the job you can yeah but they all those decisions like henry cavill and stuff they go that's why they want to yeah well yeah that's uh but i mean in a certain sense that's kind of like brave isn't it as a choice to make especially if you believe that you're taking things in the right direction uh but yeah as for why didn't odin basically like i don't know put heimdall under ultimate protection um i'm not sure that that heimdall would need it it's like kind of amazing and as they said his reputation is unkillable i'm not sure what what it would look like right odin goes back to asgard and says hey heimdall they they want to kill you i think heimdall will be like well i'm going to kill them i think it's it's kind of that simple and obviously that's what's happening in vanaheim he's like he first of all he's happy to kill both freya and kratos and i don't blame him for his confidence right like not only is an arrogant prick but he's like never been scratched by anyone but gonna make you feel invincible yeah he hasn't even been touched you don't think you'd have to even worry about him um how is it we have a mask and loki and no reference to the jim carrey movie mask very true sorry it's the one thing that god of war ragnarok needed to push it into true greatness that that movie is i remember enjoying that movie a lot the mask yeah it's uh it's a classic and then they made son of the mask which was uh not so good i love it when kratos asked loki about the mask and shows shows he has faith in him he shows that in several moments in the game yeah i mean because because of course the one that was more negative was him screaming boy but then standing there to let atreus make the choice yeah and the fucking dumbo was like wow kratos still hasn't caught up to him it's like he's obviously doing this on purpose he's giving him a choice he's letting him make the choice and then of course at the end the fact that he's more much more comfortable just saying this is your choice because it's basically a recognition by kratos that it's like this is atreus's story right now what's happening here he needs to make this thing people in like wow he's not even the protagonist in his own game it's like they're both the protagonist they're just different stories that they're having atreus is much more so the protagonist of like the brudden norse like adventure essentially like in terms of tying directly into ragnarok but i mean kratos is too because he's the general who leads the army to war in ragnarok he makes most of the that montage wasn't there for no reason like he makes most of the decisions in the game he makes tons of decisions yeah like i mean i of course we've talked about active passive like kratos is not a passive character he is very active nor is he a pacifist no he goes to war the game is all about like how he's desperate to avoid war but he doesn't want war but he'll fight it he'll he'll fight a few it's like he said in his speech i didn't want this war he's right he didn't want it but he'll he'll fight if he needs to yeah hello there i've never played god of war and i don't know if i will in the future here's some money oh thank you oh nice f for brock god of the scrote here scrote god be a little more scrote when i freed tear from the super easy prison i suspected that either the game was badly written because of all the recent story failures all that that wasn't tear i'm so glad god of war was amazing i said man i think that's one of the first things i said when when it was revealed i was like fuck that makes sense now i was gonna complain about it but there you go uh odin played on mamiya's guilt definitely did the same for freya as well this uh all three of them see each other in themselves right like what they've had done to them by odin and so there's less pressure to grill uh tear on his claims but brock doesn't give a shit brock doesn't care what you've been through he's gonna he's gonna be pointing out your bullshit pretty consistent about him brock is what critical thinking is valuable irl yeah yeah it is yeah keep your brain running no matter what and you'd be surprised what you can find stuff is just like wait a minute that doesn't make any fucking sense poor brock i felt that one it must grope yep grope when brock died i ran through the rest of the game mad as fuck ready to kill odin yeah yep that was the point where i uh i was like now it's personal go into the credits now boys i was like i'm just playing this until i see the end you know anubis is the god of lost souls like i said there's a way to get sundry into the future narrative that's possible yeah you pretty much have free reign to do anything of course but you pretty much have free reign in the realm of appropriateness where as long as anubis is essentially something to do with death the realm of the dead passing on to the death the process of dying learning to learning to prepare for moving on to the next world then it'll be it'll be fine there's a whole bunch of stuff to do there there's a lot to latch on to with philosophy right like it's a common thing that gets brought up in stoicism essentially that like learning to live means learning how to die well essentially you know learning how to be prepared for the inevitable that's the thing i don't even know what kind of payoff you do there if you did have it be that sundry was searching out anubis to bring back brocks like do you just go with like he needs to learn to let go or do you have it be that he actually basically sacrifices himself to bring brock back or something you know there's a lot of different directions you got options and you could and they would all lead to different roads thematically as well it's kind of the cool thing when you've written a story well is that when you want to go further as long as you have the similar mindset when you're creating the price story you just see that there are so many opportunities that you've left available to you you know in terms of telling a story it's good stuff metal plushy yes if you would like to do one it's uh not an impossibility it's gonna be whether or not it can be funded and stuff the complicated situation yeah but if if it happens you we will be the first to like a second to let you know maybe even first we let you know before he did maybe first i miss you guys watching steal his likeness oh god plushy out of it this one's kind of funny to think about now i miss you guys watching videos and responding to them but this is close enough i like the coverage of games instead of always my favorite oh well if you wanted to see us responding to stuff we got a double dose of fucking cringe that's what yeah yeah god damn uh i enjoy when you cover good content do it more to bounce it out and more gaming content merry christmas also fuck you youtube notify me better more latism love you um i mean this is kind of thing we don't really go by like how much negative stuff have we done it's time for a positive or how much movies are we done time for gaming as you can tell it's pretty much just about what's coming out and what we're interested in pretty much pretty much so um i can understand that you like these ones more than other ones or whatever but you know just kind of the main thing we're gunning for is what we're all passionately invested in chatting about yes and yet he honored it references loki's talk with odin in asgard a talk that tear should not be caught up on um um the the whole peace aspect saying yet he honored it is probably referring to how odin hasn't overtly attacked them yeah that would be yeah that's would be red if you didn't know who he was and you could push back and say the iron here y'all have attacked us you're like well we're in we're going to places there but like odin himself has not has not come after the stabs with his big old spear we built a wall and made the giants pay for it clearly a world game kappa oh yeah true odin we make a good team don't we thaw tell that to boulders snapped neck get old that's a good one never get old the haze in the end battle literally the fog of war adds so much to the atmosphere yeah it's uh it's the soundtrack for me man that's what makes that whole ending it's such a great track for setting the mood i love it uh right there she's standing atreus should see her um if you're talking about when throod sort of surprises him it's the he climbs up he turns around to to help sundry up and then he turns around and then she's there so i think there's room to argue she was uh you know she came at him when he didn't see her i'd have to see it again nobody i'm still thinking about that line zod snap neck that's just like hey it's so he's coming out with his first movie soon isn't he uh oh i suppose so yeah i think i don't know if he's finished filming it or not yeah but i mean but oh because he raised that because can you raise a shit ton of money for it like over a million uh i think so yeah for uh for like his big feature film that's gonna be something well i'm sure that he would have spent more time working on that script than on the sure fucking i think you i'm pretty sure that when it when it all uh got him in trouble with people he repeatedly was emphasizing that he wrote it in 20 minutes which i don't i don't believe um i don't i don't know that you can write that much in 20 minutes like you could if you were just blazing forward but like i'm pretty sure that why would you even putting out why would you release that 20 minutes when you blazed wow 20 minutes you know i mean like so here's well so here's the awkward part i distinctly remember that people had pointed out that in like streams that he had done around that time he had like mentioned specifically that the zod snap neckline like before he had published it you know like that it wasn't like that that was actually a line that he had i could be wrong but i feel like i i that that just sounds familiar to me that like there were actually streams where he was talking about that film and he had he had used the line zod snap neck before he had posted the screenplay which indicates that he had actually thought about it for a little while longer than 20 minutes which is kind of amusing because like zod snap neck is uh that's like a look i'd give i'd give it to you as a first draft line you know sometimes you got some clunky lines so like if that was one that you thought was really cool beforehand damn it's just funny zod snap neck it's so awkward tell it to a broken neck like what does that mean good for him that he had well yeah i mean he'd make it over now right so so i guess in a long time it all panned out well i mean i i mean it's it's it's cool to go out there and make stuff ultimately yeah it is uh there is legitimately something admirable about it even if the uh even if the talent or regardless of what the outcome of the yeah like the fact that you actually did it about work is yeah exactly doing the work yeah even sif's decision at the end is consistent with her love of her family and past decisions also step on me mommy sif oh my um yeah i mean yeah like i like i i guess we had inadvertently talked about earlier uh she's has a very strong tie to her family yep my only complaint is that thord died i'd love to see him redeem himself to be better imagine a kratos and thord brochip obviously his dad that's why it's a tragedy that's why it's a tragedy um and you know you can what you can draw from it as inspiration is like don't wait for someone to tell you to change make that decision yourself so wait for someone to stab you in the hand off they burn an axe at your gut um yeah that's why i mean i like that they provide lots of different endings and pathways for different characters that regard a similar point often what you do get that theme nice and strong how did odin know groe's mural prophecy that led to the boys to search for tear in moosebleheim does odin get info beamed from the green ravens implications how did he know his ability to say again i'm curious what the question odin know about groe's mule prophecy that led to the boys search for tear in moose well so he knew about all the shrines um are you oh so wait are you asking i'm i'm not quite clear on what the question is yeah they didn't search for tear in moosebleheim there's from his fatal time i got him except to how did odin know groe's mule prophecy that led the boys to search for tear in moose all right like the the one that they found in mid god all the one the question is how did odin know where to place fake tear um and my assumption for that would be that he's probably got a plan for the likely realms that they would search i think uh swaddle find was just a really good bet anyway because it was under complete control of the asia and you can't get they couldn't get to as gods it's not going to be in niefelheim or moosebleheim uh mamiya says there's a little influence that he has over the primordial realms obviously it could have been in mid god and some other places but i think at that point wherever they ended up looking for him odin could likely set it up ahead of them yeah i mean he can get around pretty quick and then of course you got dirlin uh is he sends right in that direction as soon as he's done that it's like well they're probably going to be hidden that way well that's probably part of it right he would have told dirlin to do that and he did yeah and then it's like okay they're on the path get over there if i may more what about the noose i find it odd that odin would leave that around in mid god where freya is after she taught him magic still cool um i feel like we didn't get quite enough information on like they tell you about it he hanged himself for nine days and nine nights or whatever as part of some magical thing to uh sorry thank you for saying hanged and not hung it is hanged yeah that's yeah it's thing a lot of people think yeah like i'm hung but i'm not hanged it's an important distinction uh yeah so so we don't really have enough on that that item was imbued with some kind of magic but he also didn't like it got left behind i guess he didn't keep it because he uses it to power up his uh staff at the end of the game so i guess it went somewhere he because uh it was from igdrasil that he hanged himself i think as well so i yeah we don't really get a lot of information on exactly what's going on with all of that um but nothing that necessarily contradicts it's just uh vague not enough information yeah and thus loki's mask traveled the multiverse until it was discovered by jim carrey yeah how great freya was played by mike from until dawn i don't even remember which one mike from until dawn is i think he was like the main male guy because there was head and pen and tears a name i think she was like the main and then i think he was an x one the j liked tweet of the day is people who claim not to care about politics are judy conservatives who are pretending not to get laid tending not to be to get laid the people who claim they don't care about politics are trying to come across that way to get laid i see i mean i think interesting opinion i think there are people who legitimately do not care about politics though i think a lot of people don't care about politics there are a lot of people who fucking hate politics and want to like most people don't care that much i mean most people just don't vote unless when you convert politics into basically everything if you say like now if your interest in the gaming industry is political to an extent you'll be like okay so everything fine i guess i care about politics then well i mean if if it's just like at your fingertips on twitter as you browse the internet and something political pops up you comment on it that's one thing but actually caring to the point that you're doing things or paying attention or staying informed shots are much smaller yeah everyone's gonna have like a a care floor so to speak but it would be reasonable to say plenty of people want to move through their lives without really thinking about a lot of it yeah this one just says i cried don't even know what oh the next one says data boy has become dad of man so i assume that's about the craze finds his own way this says here's the best part happy kratos it is amazing yep hi i love that payoff multi-verse madness has been awarded the best movie of 2022 at the pca's beating the batman top gun maverick and more what yeah yeah what can you do this is like oh well and you do there you go uh do you guys think face scenes are more like flashbacks or craters his brain distilling the knowledge fray taught him i prefer the latter interpretation combo it's it's it's you've got lots of crazy things happening in them right and it's change of clothing sometimes the environment is uh changing while he's moving in and out of it it's probably a memory that's being recontextualized in the form of a dream like uh no reason to think not that but i think you're right that it's um these these remembering these significant moments because they're coming into play significantly in his life now like the advice is becoming very practically used uh the evil is defeated hassan just got banned off twitch for copyright infringement well he'll be back it's all right i think there's only temporary yeah they'll never you know they'll never you know despite all he said and all he's done they'll never get rid of them as i cried again was the ending credit us in the mural i do i do really love that's my favorite that's my favorite part of the game was the ending mural the original prophecy i thought it was changed supposedly done by agribota after ragnarok to show credit has changed his future his fate um they do show the um the sort of the mural itself the first two pain panels are of a particular art style and the third one changes significantly and it looks a lot more like agribota's drawings i think the implication being that he has indeed changed his future uh it wasn't that way the first time around us or rather it wasn't going to be that way if he didn't absorb the lessons that he got because this thing fey was very motivated to to give him what he needed to put him on a different path right and a lot of it comes in the form of telling him some stuff to really really think about and then use as he approaches all the events he does in the two games the game's so good rags will never play it it's not so good that all it's so good that as if they're linked it's just i don't have a ps5 maybe one day you'll by the time you fucking consider getting one the ps6 will come out yeah i just i'm i'm probably just not going to buy a console because i just don't think i'll ever end up playing it got my hands full as it is when an animal is wounded it must stop the bleeding or it will die and this this is a distraction actual therapy thanks massives hi doggy hello there's a lot of very inspirational and meaningful lines that can help you out day to day but i'm for a lot of the greatest media be really helpful this just says and or well perhaps in the future more would you consider making an unbridled praise presumably they're talking about god of war agnoraw it would be it wouldn't be an unbridled praise it would be like a full breakdown there'd be so much to talk about take forever but uh hopefully the three e-faps come in some form of a praise i suppose in keeping with today's theme hades too is woke because the main character is a woman ew they allow them to be in games now disgusting when will the madness end i'll believe it they should be ambient npcs or vendors at most i remember when the metroid series went woke or like what was a girl oh wow really yeah so embarrassed for them and yet you know lord long bong of mewabschlington abbey is there any good chance of a kong fap of peter jackson's long kong when there's less going on there'll be a movie fap for the ages ps the world wags these riches for the good boy hello and thank you i think so that sounds like a neat idea maybe when there's less going on maybe when there's less going on yeah which is which is later it's not now not now what's going on now i'm creating my first graphic novel the premises three children of the mad queen are banished from the first castle they must redeem themselves by killing the prince in the second castle uh this is one of two but i can't see any two of twos oh well that's just an open-ended story who knows oh one of them wants to go straight for the kill the other wants to prevent a war from happening the third is conflicted if the redemption is worth it okay well sounds interesting best of luck go nuts graphic novels are pretty neat uh fringy talk about elephants for three minutes i could give it a try but more than i'd get some facts wrong something i do know was the elege uh i was about to i was i was combining elephants and intelligent i don't know what he's talking about elephants three minutes they are emotionally complex animals as far as i can tell well no but they actually are well i guess the rancor is too maybe that's true this is like the rancor is there anything in an elephant's brain that we could uh um oh oh is there like any juice in the elephant's brain that would like it's like glowing juice yeah exactly i don't think so um but but as far as uh as i understand it yeah elephants are among like the most intelligent animals like uh on on the planet they're super duper smart i mean by animal standards i suppose um they are very social they apparently mourn their dead which is very interesting since like very very very few species do that um they can recognize themselves in the mirror which is an interesting one in terms of self record you know like self-awareness yeah though interestingly i know i know that in terms of passing the mirror test dolphins pass it chimpanzees pass it um elephants pass it but also magpies pass it too magpies specifically magpies are smart as fuck well i guess it's interesting that it's a lot of clothes it's very smart well yeah because that that's the thing with crows right and ravens that they're fairly intelligent which is which i know that whole kind of family the saying bird brain it's like well some birds are pretty smart actually it should probably be like lizard brain right because lizards tend to be yeah generally reptiles are not renouncing no one ever says it's smart as a i think the best you get is that serpents are associated with cunning and cleverness right but that's just them hunting right that's instinct rather than long-term planning and strategy well i think that's just like a biblical thing uh as far as i'm aware the serpent right i guess because snakes like to slither around in the grass snake up on things but i mean it's you know a lot of animals do that right like lions cheetahs well what's interesting is that originally the it was a serpent in the garden of Eden it wasn't a snake yeah it was sort of a nondescript kind of scaled creature but eventually serpent became snake and so snake got the association with you know lying being cunning and clever when the reality is that snakes spend like 90 percent of their time just laying in the sun yeah it's like pretty much all reptiles they're very they're often very sedentary a lot of what i mean you know ectotherms are i guess most animals are really like when you think of lions people think of like the the king of you know they don't look at the exciting bits they're the king of the savannah really but yeah they think about the exciting bits rather than sitting around just laying about not doing anything for most of the day animals have that in common with humans yeah pretty much um but i mean in terms of it's i guess it's um it's kind of interesting where those things because because in terms of elephants it's they have big brains obviously in terms of like the size of the brain because of how big they are but the more relevant part is that they have big brains relative to the size of their bodies i believe i believe elephants do i think yeah i think brain relative to the size of the body is is a general indicator for intelligence well i think there's that but there's also the wrinkles because yeah like koala people are doing yeah koalas have very very smooth brains koalas have incredibly smooth brains they try their hardest but they they have super duper smooth brains and as we were saying earlier snake wise uh you know the phrase to speak with a forked tongue is of course another one of those it's snake like you know things it's just yeah that's uh the the the tldr molla was that elephants are emotionally compact complex creatures except they are that's the big thing with elephants elephants are awesome they're really cool there are no dumb questions just easy ones in norway we have a sports ball made of rags called basé say that again hello in norway we have a sports ball made of rags called basé or or bass easse easse i hope when i can get to play this in a year on pc that i will have forgotten all about this game in its moments if not truck coon can help me out hi rags hi um yeah i mean be able to make quite a few sales when it hits yeah i'd imagine um but yeah so that says through part one and two of the ragnarok streams part three i suppose god of war was ruined a video essay now what i hear what's your opinion on fritos isn't them hooked up chips fritos i love fritos i mean they're okay they're fine there's really basic corn chips i mean there's really nothing at all exciting or interesting about them it's not like an impossibility that you could have fray and kratos i just don't like their friends that's what they are they're comrades that's the thing about your opportunities as a writer it's like why why remove the chance that they could just be warriors that respect each other and their interests and their line yep that's i think i mean that's what it is and that's i think that's the way it should remain thoughts on these new pokemon designs morshold palafin and the hero form and espadra okay you're gonna have to hunt these down right i don't i don't know if they're gonna beat the quagsire fish thing uh fringy could you look these ones up yeah like let's collect them and then let me know sure oh boy what have you brought me little did you know this is the beginnings is when everyone thought things were normal uh night we dine on turtle soup turtle soup what do i know that from what do i know turtle soup from uh okay this one says i need 10 hours of this oh well is this the next quantum tv um same vibes this guy is what people think fnt is same for us i know i think he's there he faves yeah he's the clown person that people think we are uh fellas i've heard your claims that scarlet witch could take on Wakanda but if you consider she is white yikes uh oh not a good look sweetie well very true she could still do it i think the only two points he made i agreed with was the annoying npc not letting you figure out uh puzzles and the unsolved unloosable qte i'd be curious if you uh still feel the same way about the unloosable qte when it's far as i'm concerned not what it is but it doesn't like when it's not a an event you need to press in a certain amount of time that stops it from being a quick time quick time event yeah if you can't lose it and there's no time element that's involved then it's not a qte it's just a press it's just a button prompt it's like saying that enemy is an invincible enemy you can kill like what do you mean it's just something you can kill um i guess we've got our pokemon in order from top to bottom so first one is mouse hold see because it's the household but with mice ain't that cute um yeah um it's cute i don't know what it means though for there to be these four you know it's kind of like the magnet ones how there's like my magnet ton magnet ton or dung trio yeah um the second one there apparently hero form is a thing because like there's a dolphin like as a regular pokemon it's a dolphin but the hero form i guess it turns into that okay yeah i yeah i don't know what to make of that and then the third one there i guess that's meant to be like an ostrich of some sort but kind of like kind of looks like it's got chicken wings up there on it's you know like chicken drumsticks up there yeah it does yeah not a good evolutionary adaptation to have delicious looking drumsticks on your back and then the last one is a robot shark which is probably my favorite of these um there was like a yeah i'm not really a fan of any of these but i guess if i was gonna uh well if i have to pick one that's because i'm compared to claud what was it what was he was uh yeah claud sire nobody's beaten him he's the best one he's great look at him but yeah all of these ones not so great i'm guessing because these must be the new like for the new generation absolute state of working on bringy have you watched the new series mister in between check it out if you haven't and want to love you all and hello rags hello i've been heard of it um more than one woman equals suspicious amount very true be aware of those women they're out there this man infuriates me so much the fact that i don't like taxes and don't like woke stuff means i have to hate god of war because he thinks it's boring what a strange like there's a brand new sentence right there the links are just wild because i don't like taxes i have to hate god of war like what i never knew this about myself being able to understand what's in a video isn't a problem of being a lefty it's a problem of your bias affecting how you interpret things um doesn't matter it's not even left or right it's just biases right like you kind of just said yeah when you see an event take place and you got all this surrounding meta and culture can really fuck up your ability to read it for what sometimes it was just meant to be which it could just be a thing it's that it's that meme right about the um the curtains or something it's like the curtains were purple this represented blah blah blah blah blah and then the office like no they were just purple gotta find a balance i don't blame people for being jaded with so much legitimately woke garbage but you have to read wokeness into god of war ragnarok to come to these conclusions but we saw that we saw what it was looked like it was kind of weird yep very strange all right next fruit of the week is the mark mark fruit which makes the user capable of aiming at whichever target he decides upon from any location at any time with anything with ease basically an aimbot it's even more than an aimbot this is being able to hit things that you don't even know the locations of i guess you could call that an aimbot sort of i think an aimbot is just never missing but this seems to go like even more you know i thought you're gonna mention like it it must teleport things right because if i if i could like for example yeah through a stone in my room and it hit you because that's what is even happening there because even with aimbotting like you have to have a line of sight to your target well it depends on the bot yeah the crazy bots it depends on your yeah i guess you have some of those yeah they're not as common generally it's just it just aims at everybody but the bullets are just normal bullets all right um yes i'll i'll take that in exchange for not swimming fine to me i'm not sure how much use i'll get out of it but you know i think i'll find like like if they're like really really evil terrible people up there like terrorists and stuff oh yeah you could really do something you can make some huge changes to the world couldn't you yeah but that's the kind of power that you just cannot abuse yeah howdy y'all here's some money go buy a good meal from mickey d's called menu and bless your hearts i'd like shoot meant value menu should send on phone oh story sorry i was wondering what menu is talking about in mcdonald's yeah you know menu uh i watch synth and for context he values gameplay above all else the story barely matters to him oh we got the video most of his review was about the story he even said that and his gameplay review portion was awful as well he didn't say anything really he just it was very empty and off the wrong describes mechanics like that was that was it that's not that's not like a review that's on a breakdown rise up sin cells hail synthetic man oh and hi eva in cells itself that's actually sin cells i like how metroid fusion did it with samus losing her abilities to the x parasites and using those against her in boss fights hell the s a x is a copy of your fully powered suit from super metroid um well that's been a variety of different explanations in the metroid games because of course metroid primers you get blasted into a wall yeah that's pretty sure yeah meanwhile like you said yeah the x parasite contextualizing and then samus gets a brand new suit and then you have to deal with the it was the s what they said yeah the s a the clone evil samus coming to get you yeah i'm working on the story for my fifth to be published game and it's a huge step up from my previous stories thanks to your writing advice also haimola all right well i'm glad to hear that yeah good luck hello fucking deep am i crazy for thinking god will ragnarok getting nominated for multiple vgas is a bit unfair the game came out just about a month ago i'm sure it's good but for real um i mean that's it it would either be this year or next year and it was in the eligible window for this year if anything the criticism should be that the game awards do their events in december when they should probably do it in january or february like every other awards thing generally does the golden globes are in january oscars are usually in february and the emmies are usually at the end of the mid season before the the new season begins because it gives like all the stuff of that actual year that calendar year time to uh to be eligible because games are coming out in december they they're next year and by then a lot of people forget about those games and they don't get much consideration or at least it seems that way but i mean ask for it was eligible how long should they have waited well the fact they said like it's only out for months like isn't a month long enough to you know judge it disguise arguments are basically fucking magnets how do they work i don't want to talk to a scientist i don't want to talk to a scientist it is incredibly priceless to have so much of like i don't understand the story will simultaneously be in like fuck the story how do you want to listen to these characters talk yeah and you shouldn't even want to listen to the characters talking but i'm gonna talk about how terrible it is that they're about what they're saying sims 3 and 4 cost well over 1k for all the dlc respectively uh well i guess if you bought it all when they came out but then they usually put them on sour right like the uh isn't there like a isn't there a train simulator train me later dlc comes to someone insane yeah well yeah that sounds about i mean it's it's something that's the same with uh because like city skylines a lot of paradox games will have a shit ton of dlc but the interesting thing is that with a lot of paradox games some of the features that like come coupled with the dlc will just be added to the game for free anyway so like if you play city skylines and you don't have all the expansions you've still received a lot of like new functionality yeah yeah dlc's that come with um with extra yeah like vanilla game update yeah that just like it like a framework update that needs to exist so that the dlc can be there but i mean in terms of the sims because i think the sims the sims 4 has like the most expansion packs of any game it's got like 12 expansion packs and it's got like a ton of game packs as well and stuff packs so there's like more stuff on top of that because i think the sims 4 at this point is eight years old um i wonder if they're ever gonna make another one also christ this guy's channel is some of the most annoying culture war stoking bs i've seen in a while it's getting difficult to give benefit of the doubt to any of these sods seriously anymore um take them all individually listen what they have to say judge for yourself i suppose obviously i wasn't very compelled by his arguments i would be very disappointed in myself if i found it really anything he said approaching compelling boilers i'm out well yeah i mean till you can share enough yeah game fair enough a detail i find cool as freya and boy kill hugan and munan odin summons a spellbook from his bookshelf in the background and goes full wizard mode yeah he pulls it off the uh bookshelf after i think he tries to like fly or sort of doing some kind of move and freya fucks it up and then when he sees them die he's like no because he's coming close to really getting fucked up but he gets the spellbook and he gets like a second wind my moeller and fringy plus he's arrived today hey oh very awesome all right if you like him uh i have loved the dauntless shield very satisfying on mini bosses dealing massive damage on stun makes paring feel like his own play style yeah that's what i really liked about it enjoyed it more once i understood its drawback wasn't clear on it if it yeah my favorite weapon was fists with the poison damage buff from lunda's armor of how it lowered the level of of often enemy also the armor look neat i didn't even know that was a thing i have to um look into that poison had damage buff on the fists with lunda's armor play every fire emblem game leading up to fe engage any fire emblem i played i played uh awakening and three houses but i didn't beat either of them um sorry i don't think i played the one that they were asking about i've played i i beat i played and beat the first two um on an emulator for the game boy i they're like fire emblem and sacred stones i think i played path of radiance i think i beat it the game cube one i think there was another that i started sounds like you played all the ones that came before like awakening kind of reinvented popularize that series because like otherwise it would just through smash brothers really there was a ds one that i played uh were you you like made a character who was a part of the story um oh it maybe that maybe you did play awakening that one was on three ds yeah that's that's what i played it on yeah um i might but i just don't remember too much about them other than they were fine uh i some of your units were just insanely op and i guess that was they're sort of supposed to be but i thought there was fine games um yeah i think they're fine games i never you know i never got into them but they were good you know strategy games to play so um this is in caps lock i feel like shouting but i'll just go synthetic man is in chat invite him on to defend himself well once you got to see those other clips especially the one about his plans for if he ever got on to um the call with us probably imagine weren't exactly interested it's uh it's uh it's one yeah pretty foul guy pretty foul guy i think people maybe misunderstood our our approach with like having people on it's not like some kind of open invite to literally anybody including satan even though i'd be interested to talk to satan it was a real thing um if you like overtly say you can't wait to just chill over us and literally use words that can fucking get the channel banned it's just like oh well then we're not gonna have you on pretty straightforward um he's also a really like harsh piece of shit so um yeah there's there's not really any reason besides he wouldn't be said he's not interested anyway so yeah we know he's just chasing clout trying to get an audience um and he would just do nothing but it's all yeah there's just no reason for it he's a foul person uh why compare athenians to the draugers if they're the same creature what if the north's common enemies are way tougher than greek soldiers i'm sure uh why why would you you just assume they are right uh the the drauger like these reanimated monster mythic creature things versus an athenian soldier yeah they're just regular guys so if you're pointing out like yeah he killed a whole bunch of a athenian slash rodians um so why is he having trouble with a skeleton that was a bizarre argument i think he says it's also really more so down to the player as is the conclusive argument the canon version is that kratos doesn't have trouble with a lot of these enemies the play well the canon version between avid dies that's for sure i'll come to video games pretty much yeah do you think doomslayer like doom guy sorry he ever died to like a random skeller man yeah with him or something no it's like zero nade's coffee said right like a random fireball it's not just gonna like that didn't happen but if you're shit of the game yeah but it's non-canon so it's okay that's just your that's just your experience with that story mr fringles i recently found the youtube channel casual geographic and thought of you have you seen his content or could he actually be you in disguise thus uh i presume he's australian i haven't heard of casual geographic though yeah i don't know who that is is kratos wonder woman's cuz why i don't know is kratos cuz i'm sorry what was that and like is he oh because is it because of like aries and everything and like because there's all the the oh yeah right like wait who's wait who was her dad though was it zoos or who was it implied to be zoos i can't remember no but then they wouldn't be cousins then they'd be siblings yeah brother step brother no well just regular half brother brother half brother sister yeah there are lots of people who just want tragic endings people wanted berserk to end at the golden age arc people are just weird some people are weird i'm gonna assume that i don't know what the golden age arc is is that it like but that's not too strange for people to want things to end up there at the end of their golden age right that surely can't be maybe i'm misinterpreting what he's saying i don't know anything about berserk so i don't even know what happened in that remember the guy that said armor is for weaklings remember what kratos did to his face i think it's just a really weird argument to say like it makes you a weaker person to have armor be fine without it or whatever yeah that's just not true kratos is clearly weaker now because he wears armor i just think interpretation especially with the armor giving him like amazing magical benefits also cover yatsi's god of war 2018 it's time to coin a new term for cinematic linear adventure games and how about we stop adding gear sources and cosmetics into every game oh gear scores and cosmetics sorry if you're covering the god of war ragnarok video um we have a cover if we have a cover to yatsi video i don't think we have i don't think so now i don't feel like that would be like good coverage really like i'm not i i feel like um the format that yatsi uses to do his uh reviews is like not super compatible really no and a lot of it is very casual and quick and a lot of it's super joke related like he's he's describing the game in deliberately stranger ways in order to have payoffs for jokes well yeah and there's usually some like broader statements being made about uh about the industry through certain games rather than like a hyper focus on on each individual yeah what pantheon would y'all be most interested in kratos taking on personally i want to see us explore a mishmash of hindu gods and buddhism yeah it'd be egyptian yeah it's easily easily egyptian for me i don't have any real interest at all on the indian or the hindu pantheon i'm happy for them to do anything they choose but if i somehow got the choice it would yes it doesn't matter there are accessibility options for colorblind people i guess they're making fun of his ability to solve things did the cast realize that with the first berserker he dropped the difficulty to easy to beat him he did not have the skill to beat him how does anyone think he raised the difficulty back to hard for the rest of the game oh i don't i i didn't remember if that had happened or not i i just i was too distracted by the whole like it's mandatory it's clearly not then he says well that doesn't change my point at all which is like uh i feel like it does that was some hyper cope i don't think there's ever been more cope than when he said wait i was wrong about that fact well you're autistic for remembering it yeah this is actually a character flaw on you because you noticed me being factually wrong it's like earn your place you were uh in terms of enemies returning many think that halo got worse when it ditched the flood in favor of the prometheans yeah uh yeah it did because prometheans suck and i don't even let her great calm down then they're coming in a better great yeah we've had this discussion yeah they're great but uh well flutter a mixed bag it depends on which game we're talking about but i mean the flood are definitely better than the prometheans the prometheans have a lot of like very fundamental design flaws i'm pretty sure the act man would have i i'm sure it was like when he did his coverage of a halo four something that he highlighted was um one of the the cool thing about the covenant is that because each uh each enemy feels a certain role in the battlefield gives you a lot of options for how you want to dispatch them um like you know there's no there's no clearly better strategy at any given moment it's more of a matter of different play styles depends on what weapons you have but the problem with the prometheans is that there was a there was an order there was a correct order in which to take them out you need to get rid of the flying one first because that one can resurrect dead enemies get shields it grabs your grenades and throws them at you there is never a good reason not to take them out first whereas there may be a good reason to take out the grunts before you take out the elite or vice versa there may be a good reason to deal with the sniper jackals first before you want to you know handle the ones that are close up and then like the knights teleporting everywhere is really annoying means that really you need to fall back on long range weapons constantly there just wasn't that much variety because i think it was just the there was the night the ones that run around the dogs like and then there was the floater and i think that was it i think there were legitimately only like three promethean enemy types it's like man that's not that's not good enough um yeah compared to there are more kinds of brutes alone yeah exactly because you've got different kinds of jackals you've got different kinds of brutes you got different kinds of elites because even with the elites you've got like the basic elites and then you go up with like captains it was the same with the brutes and they get different weapons as they go up um and i mean and if you boil it down to base enemy types with the covenant you've got a leech jackals grunts uh you've got the the brutes you've got um the uh i can't believe i cannot believe i'm forgetting their names i can't believe it the big guys oh my god i can't believe i've forgotten them the big guys no not the glorms i can't believe it what the hunters yes oh my god yeah you got the hunters um and then you had engineers as well get added in later on yeah and uh and then you got the you got the flying enemies too i think they have different names depending on which region you're in so yeah like the variety and yeah the premiere things were just not uh they were not a suitable substitute for the covenant for the flood rather and compared to the covenant like yeah there's a reason why everybody wants to fight the covenant they're the most fun ones they've consistently been the most entertaining ones to fight they're the backbone of the halo enemies pretty much um i think it'd be safe to say that basically the core of that game is designed around encounters with the covenant basically every game i'd say so just haters no yeah yeah so this just says lies could be about a lot of things i don't know what that would have made in relation sir who among you will subscribe to markiplier's only fans nah me so i saw that was set up and my first reaction was like what the fuck i found out apparently it's for charity oh all right that's what that's a nice thing to do could on him i mean at that point i was just like oh oh okay that works out sure it still seems really strange right because he's like i don't know i um i guess i don't know what he's posting on there exactly only fans is a i mean boogie has an only fan this is a weird world we live in this just says maybe he needs to get good wings quarter of the day wife tells him to cheerfully tells him cheerfully to smile and enjoy life he's playing card bye i can't stand it when people tell me to enjoy life i know isn't it it's just unbearable oh man so this is what it looks like to watch a Bethesda NPC player game a little bit yeah he gets some get some insights from that stream of his appreciate all the god of war stuff looks like lots of fun to watch sweet that is good to hear because it's not just um hopefully it's not just like us having fun talking about a thing we like it's also like uh entertaining for you guys to consume as well as you know maybe learn a bit about something that you otherwise probably wouldn't have been interested in this is dsp minus the snorting and scat fetish is dsp of a thing i have i have got no clue i am not the i'm not the guy to ask for that uh so appreciate no no wait uh this man is why games are getting dumber every day i mean you know it seems like it's just jokes but it's just like why do you think we have these things in games devs see that shit and they out of they got to solve it because a lot of players if they have the experience synthetic man does and they have no monetary reason to continue they'll just be like you know what this isn't fun i'm leaving and then the devs are like fuck we should have the npc help them and then what if they do and it works this is why things end up this way um that's that that's also by the way the explanation for why there's like hyper annoying overt exposition in in movies and storytelling some people aren't picking it up we need more like you'll find this that's what a lot of uh ad r stuff is like further explaining character motivations thanks to people don't get it and all that happened because they had a test screening and some guy was like wait why did the thing happen and they're like oh then uh what was it something's gonna yeah indiana jones is getting his whole ending reshot apparently oh gee yeah apparently this was found out because of john williams he was saying that he's like he was in some place something to talk about the music and he's waiting to do the work for for the the ending that they're redoing that's great that's not that's not awesome no they shot an ending i get wow yeah yeah reshoots i guess which i happen but it's a whole ending hmm i wonder how this massive would fare in elden ring apparently he i don't know if he streamed all of it but he's played it so play zelda tears of a kingdom when it comes out tears of the kingdom uh you'll be playing that right yeah i'll play that for sure actual knuckle dragon makes gamers look bad a little bit uh rewatching buffy and angel wish we had more time with character though remember great payoff at that other point non-spoiler thoughts on said character um i'm obsessed with not giving anything away they are they this this character that is being referenced is pretty great uh for the time you get to know them and it's unfortunate what happened to this person in real life that fed into what happens to them in the show uh pretty sure they are a fan favorite for a lot of people rather quickly good stuff you'll hear more about it uh eventually more help when i catch a glimpse of a close-up of a trace i think i'm looking at lord miles of afghanistan and i can't unsee it who's that oh he's he was a guy who i don't even know where to begin he's a guy who went out and does stuff i don't even know how to really start um i don't i'm not familiar enough with his face to assign it to atreus it certainly didn't come to my mind all right get out these bloody things are everywhere they're in the lift in the lorry in the bond wizard they're all over the melonga gildochuk oh wait that's that's simpsons that's yeah it's the australian simpsons episode there are a lot of coins like the australian simpsons episodes for you what is a melonga gildochuk i have no idea don't know damn probably like rags not knowing what a hamburger is or something i don't know about that hamburger i i assume it has something to do with like pigs but i yeah long man got my muller and fringy plushie and they are glorious fringy when will you get your cousin big bird to make a cameo on efab also high rags and that'd be funny big bird came in to talk about like a new movie it doesn't really enjoy you know ant-man and the wasp quantamania just wants to have a chat about it like i don't i don't have a controversial but i didn't think it was very good who was uh who's your favorite sesame street character um count count the count the count oh you're you're acting yeah well i mean obviously it's your your opinion yeah my my favorite is big bud i like him a lot i was never never really watched sesame street growing up i watched other stuff but um hmm of my favorites i don't even really know them all that well maybe i mean you know about elmer right yeah i know about elmo fuck elmo burton urney big bird oscar the grouch of course i really like oscar he's yeah there's something about him that's just i don't know he's you want to like him yeah oscar is definitely up there um i really it's probably between the oscar about the cookie monster oh i just think he's one dimensional yeah i really like the count just as an idea the transylvanian classic vampire who just loves the count um yep but it's either the count or oscar i think oscar might be my second favorite off to big bud i just i just like big bud a lot well it might be boring to say but my favorite muppet is coming um i like my favorite let's see uh just like uh just second just check in names statler and wal dorf they're the guys who sit up in the in the balcony yeah the two old guys in the balcony who make jokes about the thing to each other i i love them they reminds me of us but i i've just always liked them they're the ones poking at you know fun at the show i i just i really like that i've i've always really liked them i i don't know man kermit i just like him a lot there's a bunch to love everything from rizzo the rat to the that they're all just so full of character even the minor ones well it's it's uh puppets are really like they're a really cool example of just like how how uh well humans can imbue uh like character into into like fabric right like even even into you know like little fabric characters but i mean i mean that would be kind of like undermining obviously the amount of like effort that goes into the puppetry like to achieve like if you've seen some of the the the diagrams of like what it looks like to puppeteer big bud it's kind of incredible like the amount of dexterity that it requires to do it well well like you have to have one hand up and then use each of like each of the fingers to control like the eyes and the mouth because it's really um it's really incredible like what they're able to achieve yeah uh synthetic dsp i know yeah comparisons were certainly made synthetic man more like pathetic man got him oh he showed him i've seen lobotomites with better critical thinking skills i wouldn't be surprised is that what they're called when people have lobotomies they're lobotomites it's i don't even know that's correct or no they're from fall out oh i see uh one of my issues they're they're just i just say that i think they're just surgically altered people who have other brains removed or something like that i'm not sure one of my issues was the design of the raven armor and lunda's armor i know they change when you level them up but wasn't really happy with the design i'd have to have a look at them i'm not uh enough one of my biggest complaints about the game is how heavy the mpcs hold your hand and this guy proves it was not only warranted but perhaps too subtle for the average person infuriating to see what i mean it's such a like because we all agree it's annoying to have them spill out the answer as much as like seconds into trying to solve it but my god man when watching him solve a puzzle and tear in a tray as a desperate to try and explain to him it's uh i would go as far as saying it's priceless you know it's funny as well you'll get moments in the game i think i saw this with fringing and metal and it happened with myself well we're stuck for a while searching for the third thing and you're like i wonder if the mpc will help me out by saying like hey i think i could see something over there you know that sort of thing but that never happens no it's kind of kind of interesting because yeah those aren't like story necessary puzzles i guess i don't know it seems to be it seems to be dolled back a lot um and then the side quests yeah uh the devs predicted this guy would be this smooth brain and made the characters baby him um didn't work though like i don't want to say i'll admit his review was the first i saw so i genuinely thought you couldn't lose some qte's which i thought was bs didn't know it was a tutorial still weird to do it that way though is it is that weird i don't think so i feel like other games have done that it's fine it's just showing a scenario and then it's just like up press square it's gonna activate angroboto you know i mean is it is it uh well here's an example at the beginning of god award 2018 when you have to swing the axe is that a qte that is impossible to fail and do we hate that or is it an introduction of swing the axe by pressing this button yeah that's actually kind of perfect did you guys hate that did you think that was bullshit at the time i think it's it's probably quite common yeah in tutorials press this you can't proceed until you press this button and you like confirm that you know what it does i find it infuriating when um this happens a couple times in both god of all games where it's like uh press the the touchpad button to open up your stats thing and you can't do anything else everything is stopped and then it's like now press up to go to this menu it's like yeah okay i i already know how to use all that it's like now press right now press x on this move you've just unlocked to equip it and you're like i don't even want to equip it but yeah you have to the car get through any other and then you realize at the end when you followed the specific instructions of like 10 different things with specific buttons you can't do anything else until they let you free all of this is designed so the fucking idiots out there who don't even know they have skills are like oh this is how that works they literally can't progress the game until they have accepted that they have seen these menus don't blame us we've told you that you have these abilities yeah the devs are just like we're we're seriously just trying to show you there's a game here you like there are options please use them uh i actually did have weird pito talk on my bingo card what else did you have on your bingo card was it fulfilled all right then because theos was uh buddy a couple of top comments like showing the time stabs with theo predicts the ad or guy this guy's just right wing cosmonaut variety hour if by that you mean like i don't shitty effort because cosmonaut variety hour doesn't really inject a lot of politics yeah he's just not just an idiot good yeah he's just an idiot he's a fool i wouldn't go this far don't let this guy know what loki did with a horse in north mythology he doesn't know anything about north mythology he's just pretending to he needs to visit the north dimension check who had mary sue slash gary stew on their bingo cards of cool yeah what he called right now i mean that yeah a very sue it was like god just such an npc like that's all you got strong woman yeah i saw a strong woman warrior there there can i'll be cannot be any context or explanation to why this is you know well written or anything i i see the thing and i react that there's no brain used it's it's kind of weird to be like will she satisfies all the criteria which she doesn't but even if you were like she satisfies all the criteria it's like well yeah and a lot of films satisfy the criteria of failing the beck doe test like what does that mean though like what is your point yeah please contextualize it instead of just saying mary sue love you guys not you metal keep it up oh wow thanks though thank you but oh britos holds back all the time in this game even against odin thor and especially freya yeah he does right not to kill everything because that's bad i gotta say i was surprised to see soul goodman playing odin and ragnarok still a lot of people making that comparison did you guys watch medical soul he's not quite serious rags loves going after children well i'm i'm courteous if i let them go before me you know rag wakes up and has teleported to asgard we're not in our he said arkansas arkansas anymore dorothy we're not in arkansas anymore we're not that weird man like when i first met that weird in my life i found out how it's pronounced i was just like what i found it very confusing yeah it is a very confusing word it's like the french version of an algonquin word it's everybody knows about kansas thanks to just like a whole bunch of different me it's kind of funny there's a lot of media where kansas i mean wizard of oz superman like there's a lot of just people have heard of kansas but then art it's like art kansas i mean we're not in kansas anymore it's become like a you know a popular sort of idiom you know what's it saying beyond beyond uh we're not home we're in a strange place we're not in kansas anymore but yeah then there's arkansas how come nobody says we're not in ark our kansas anymore well except for just now i suppose because yeah it's just it's well yeah we've we've told us for i think you looked up the etymology there's something to do with you know it's it's the french version i think it's it is the french version of a algonquin word so that's interesting and i don't know if it has anything to do with uh oh yeah so kansas name for the kansas or kansas tribe of the sue family that lived along a river in the area and gave it the tribal name the name translates as south wind people or wind people and arkansas name origin is you have the algonquian speaking indians of the ohio valley called the arkansas or south wind the state's name has been spelled several ways for history that's that's less all later i can't say that's the but so yeah um oh there's even question why do we pronounce arkansas and kansas differently uh arkansas was named for the french plural of a native american tribe while kansas is the english spelling of a similar one since the letter s at the end of french words is usually silent we pronounce bill clinton's home state arkansas um why does he hate frayer because she's of age oh well it's there because she can do things she's a woman yeah ladies can do stuff now no way moley you are playing and praising god of war is blasphemous behavior therefore god punched you with mando season three episodes all written by dave baloney hello when is that out wait what sorry mando season three ones that happened uh i think that sounds like february march something like that next year awesome something so it's pretty close yeah excited for that for you that's you and me bro willy oh shit you're right yeah that is gonna be that's gonna be like two months probably a friend of uh yeah hopefully that's that's it for mando after that right it's ending i is it as far i remember reading some way that they they're done after three seasons of it really i can open up well maybe right because pedro pascal might be jumping ship to the last of us yeah uh no according to wikipedia fourth season is in development oh maybe i read that it's the end for him at the end of season three or maybe i'm just making shit up i don't know mandalorian without the mandalorian remember you can always switch to bo katana whatever right oh wait is she i forget how it fucking works the mechanics i don't know i guess the thing is though is it's like it doesn't even really matter who we like change to they're not how does if anyone's gonna miss what is his name again did jarred yeah ginger in yeah nobody cares about him really no they care about a character i guess it was brought up on really like open bar about how like andor is better than a lot of them and someone said like any competition it has really is mando and then i was like well yeah and it's already gonna come out ahead because it just has to have like a character and then it'll be it has to have one good character yeah if if andor has one good character it's ahead of all of mando everything well there's ahead of everything yeah there's no there's not one good character in mando there isn't we either get empty characters that are just nothing or they're confusing or potentially just flat out contradictory or an impurely written what about um club shit oh i can't wait for glub shit oh to come back and the adventures of uh space mando chapter six on disney plus in 2027 uh 14 year old atreus is canonically smarter than him yes if the smartest man alive says you can't trust him and you still do your slow like i said man i don't know how this is hard but i've seen people say like i love how you've have relied on a codex entry for an argument that should be uh gone through the story and it's like i did get it through the story i didn't even know there was a codex entry exactly i didn't know that until after like why later the codex entry is just the writer telling you directly it's like this is why you didn't need this but apparently some people do cool these are neville chamberlin levels takes on war we are we fans of neville chamberlin here or no he was the guy before uh churchell right he wanted to appease hitler in nazi germany he didn't want to get into a fights or anything with him i mean neville is not a strong name i think neville isn't a strong name uh it's just yeah i would churchell is a fucking titan of a name churchell is a yeah it not only do you have the guy but you have the fact that like tanks and stuff were named after him which just adds to it so winston churchell that's a name right there good name i wonder how much of it is obviously like after the fact yeah like i'm like gorge washington sounds like a strong name but it's like yeah but also it's gorge washington uh this man wants craters to accept the deal which would just be in a spit in the face of both freya and mamiya for even dealing with odin regardless of intent i'm almost tired freya finds out you know finds out you cut that you're you're done it's over there's no rebuilding that bridge yeah and as soon as it's done mamiya would be like are you insane you have you have any idea what's gonna happen next like that i how many stories that i fucking tell you it gets to the point in the 2018 one where you're like he's telling you a story or you see him a shrine and it ends with Thor killing someone and odin like being happy about it i think atreus says oh it ends like that again and the mamiya is just like yeah he's not even explaining anymore it's just like that's how it goes um he's like a reverse anita sarkeesian how strange the horseshoe theory right well that i mean i guess maybe not in terms of more so in terms of like the methodology that they use and how it informs like every perspective more so than exact conclusions i guess um it's like yeah maybe maybe horseshoe theory i don't agree in terms of that conclusions but their methodology of framing everything through weird political lenses is identical it just has different outcomes because i have different ideologies i was to broaden it out i might be able to get it so that they're essentially agreeing as in like this thing is bad and then cites insane political bias reading and obviously the well yeah right like you know male character versus a female character just being denigrated on the basis of their gender it's essentially like the same conclusion right it's just different different target well like if uh for example ironwood it's bad because diversity higher versus it's bad because they made the black woman learn something from the white man and it'd just be like jesus christ both of you are so stupid you've come to the same conclusion based on the same methodology it's just that it's different on the basis of like your political perspective yeah and then you eventually find out that neither of them have anything to say about what actually happened in those scenes and you're like fucking out yeah it's entirely relying on these lenses rather than talking about the stories remember angroboda didn't do anything in the entire plot except provided marbles uh yeah not like she was mysteriously cut the ending seed to have it so that you couldn't see her what did he say they they somehow they got out off screen what i still can't believe that fucking happened like people have played the game by dude like they know it's like how we cut the the werewolf kill it's just you're just being a liar just lying that's all you're doing is you're just being a liar my complaint with the elves is that it was into a history of light versus darkness to fit a narrative but killing the more interesting Nordic lore of them i so i don't know what the Nordic lore of them is but i would say the story they tell is pretty interesting i think in the game that the light is constructed of like lost souls or dead souls rather into this like giant beam and then if you harvest it you can gain different powers or like help craft structures and stuff and then the elves split into two teams of you shouldn't fuck with stuff like that it's like like pressures and nature and stuff and then the other half that were like we can improve ourselves why wouldn't we do that that's a hence the whole like who's correct thing and it's like even with that much context just still like i i cannot believe i'm stuck in the timeline where a political opinion of the ukrainian war is brought up on an efap stream and a god of war review yeah the thing man baffling unfortunately we couldn't man man world couldn't run efap for a good clean like 20 years from in like 90s 2000s i say that as if there would be no political references there would be it just wouldn't be constant be nice about the action i mean we do anyway but you know i cannot wait to see how much of this vid winds up in the next gadelb keep up the good work y'all i have said before there is no more gadelb coming at least for the foreseeable future however this would have been a quote i say gold mine what is what is it when it's just a fucking waterfall it's like an overload motherload but like it's not even positive i'd be writing down almost everything you fucking said this is like what am i supposed to do with this i guess sewage facility you gotta try and figure out which one's the best one you know yeah well like the ideal quotes to represent this brain rot yeah there'd be there'd be some that were like more famous than there'd be some i'd be like i don't even want to fucking make fun of this it's so gross you know yeah exactly cinematic venom 2.0 no i i really want to make sure it's understood don't compare cinematic venom to this guy don't it's not fair cinematic venom was like trying to review a film that he really didn't like and come up with like arguments in favor of it that's very different than what synthetic man is the cinematic man is fine he's chill he like the lord the rig's coverage was bad but you know it's it's whatever everyone's done bad coverage of stuff it's just like a synthetic man took it a little further people were like oh my god you found someone worse than Hassan it's like yeah that Hassan might be the one down from him i'm trying to think in terms of like the category the tier list of like the worst creators we've covered because it sounds pretty bad he's definitely really bad you remember that like there's that compilation of all the horrible shit that he said to all the people who watch him um oh yeah yeah yeah that was so yeah like sometimes i forget how high scoring Hassan is in terms of the absolute piece of shit scale but yeah obviously synthetic man is the number one now yep Jesus what did we do to deserve this clown i don't know we liked a game that's the big fuck up sometimes sometimes the world's just life gives you lemons as they say this guy's disgustingly obsessed with kid smashing but shit talk cindy about being a pedophile well i guess if anyone would know it would be him there are weird comments being made throughout his coverage that make you like wonder what the fuck is the goal here if cinematic then and watch lord the rings wrong does synthetic man qualifiers watching the in his words movie game wrong duties he already admitted himself he wasn't listening to any of the dialogue how this how can this man review the story so funny that people will point out like rags didn't play it how can he review the story and he knows it so much better than synthetic man does i know it pretty well better arguments of appealing to like optically valuable things like you didn't play the game so how can you talk about it as if all of the people who ever like talked about batwoman watched the entire seasons like no you didn't know it you haven't done meth either but yet you comment on taking math rags you wow i'm very pro meth uh how is this one guy the five worst people you've covered uh synthetic man might just be the most dishonest person you've covered this is astounding yeah it's amazing how much you you find out that he like omits or changes in order to sell a particular image is um yeah and it's the open acknowledgement of it and still carrying forward thanks synthetic man has a room temperature iq is a self report you would have to live in antarctica he's got cold brain also high from across the ditch fringy oh hey as out of the pacific ocean is a ditch or i guess alternatively it could be across the indian ocean you have any ditches nearby maybe they just live close to you australia is a very flat country it's not it's not a very uh it's not it's done that many peaks or dips really like our tallest mountain it's only like a few kilometers tall like in fact it might be less than how how tall is cozy osco i can never spell it correctly yeah so mount yeah that's what i mean mount cozy osco is two is 2.2 kilometers tall well that's that's how high it is for reference everest is over eight kilometers high the elevation of the peak is to uh it's 2.2 kilometers that is its height you guys ever wanted to do something like climb everest or anything no everest no i don't know that there's any mountain i'm particularly motivated to climb something i've been watching on youtube is uh there's like channels where it's like this guy who just explores caves um but like that it's like these really narrowed caves um and then like once they can squeeze through those really small crevices and everywhere they can get into these really interesting locations where there's like formations from in limestone and and lava magma like it's really cool but i would never do that no like i don't think there's there's there's no amount that you could pay me i think to make me do that um that i get an automatic terrifying feeling what i see like moving through smaller and smaller spaces not even a well yeah i'm not claustrophobic if i know i have an escape i don't mind being enclosed in something if i know um i can get out it's when if someone like an environment where it's like wait i could get snagged here and there's a possibility i can get jammed i that's that's the thing that's scary about it right you're climbing into these incredibly dark places where you you like because sometimes they know like that the places have been mapped but then other times they're not and so it's like you're going head first or feet first into an area that you don't quite know what it looks like you don't quite know how big it is and you're not quite sure how you're gonna get out i guess if they're doing because they seem to have a lot of like strategies and techniques and methods of maneuvering through these spaces right like different orientation feet first head first where their arms are placed like they obviously do it a lot but like no thanks like no thank you um but i i i guess that's like another example of something where it's like that's pretty cool but like if you can do it and you're able to do it but like i don't want to do it and for me mannevers is one of those things it's like i don't think that the idea of going to that place is cool enough for me to want to endure all of the challenges of getting there and especially the fact that like you have a chance of dying that isn't small though as i understand that there are like k2 is more dangerous than manneverist um more people have died ascending k2 i believe no or not more people but a higher percentage of people who have attempted to summit k2 uh and then there are some that are like sheer vertical climbs and stuff it's just like yeah some of these mountains are a real uh a real scary yeah so so for instance uh of the five highest mountains in the world k2 is the deadliest one person dies on the mountain for every four who reach the summit damn meanwhile i think manneverist does not have that same ratio um i guess to what's that sorry i wonder what it is uh i i'm not sure actually um let's see more people maybe it doesn't have the reputation as ever so people underestimate it or i think it's it i think it's probably a combination of two things one it is a fundamentally more difficult claim and second it might be that because less people climb it it's less fully sorted maybe i know that like there's different uh there's different ways to get to manneverist there's like different different um different claims yeah but then again you've got like these really disastrous because there was that one in 1996 they made a movie about it we're like i think like seven or eight people no 15 people died um during the 1996 season eight climbers died over the course of two days because there was a blizzard that uh that rocked up and so a lot of people died there and of course the really grim part is that you you can't bring those people back down um it's too dangerous so you you die on every step there yeah i think there's i think there's a guy called green boots that everybody passes to get to the summit he's a guy's got like very prominent green boots on and so it's like there's all of these sort of reminders as people go off the mountain of people who didn't make it um to remind them of just how dangerous it is but i mean a lot of people climb it at this point yeah there's a graph some years you know like it's it's on average now like since 2000 like past 2010 it looks like there's on average like 400 people attempting to to summit yeah in fact like yeah that's it's uh a lot of people 807 people in 2018 so a lot of people do it um and i mean it's an incredible accomplishment for those people but no no thank you i'm not doing that either you guys watch the yeah internet story and video about the cave thing i go through caves i watched some of it yeah that's like a story i never knew happened and fucking terrifying right like especially why that fell back in history i uh hmm okay i i don't think i've seen that it's like the premise is like it's a guy who would sort of find really interesting caves and then uh dig it so that it's ready for you know the public to be able to visit and then i guess try and make some money from it sort of thing and you found like a really really good one it was difficult to get in now in and out in and out and they described the process where it's like you have like your lantern and so much digging material and and you go in for x amount of time and it was just this fucking tiny gap that he went through every single time and uh yeah one time uh he got stuck like a rock fell and it just jammed his leg and i think it took like two days from to first be found and then he was fed like you know a sandwich and and some drinks here and then they kept him alive for really long time but he eventually just died because i can't get him out damn fucking horrible and then he has like this whole post thing about how everyone had to fight over his body because it was like a public attraction because that like it became a huge right right oh but i was just thinking about that that environment where you just get stuck in the absolute darkness that yeah like that there's that that's um that's a particularly grim sort of scenario to think about yeah i enjoy visiting caves whenever we go someplace and there's a cave around us yeah like regular normal caves that you can walk through comfortably not these crazy like deep caves well a lot of the times it's just the safe places of the cave um when i went to when we went to south dakota we went to wind cave which as of 2019 had uh surpassed 150 miles mapped uh with more to go and it's the densest cave i think in the world in terms of the the amount of mileage in there versus how much space it occupies and they have you know they have a visitor center and everything like that i think it was the first cave to become a national park but just going there and looking at the pictures and looking at the maps and having them explain just you know they have this like one of there's a huge map on one of the walls that shows the map of the cave and all of the passageways and just all the dotted lines where they just stopped and came back and they're still it goes more further and further and further and they don't they have no idea how big the actual cave is because you need you can only explore you gotta go in and yeah like which is really crazy to think about because i uh i watched a video where it's it's the deepest cave in the world it's i think it's in the it's in the caucus mountains um and it's it's like i think it's like three four kilometers deep uh or i think i i think it's it's it's very deep and um it's very uh very of very of kina cave in georgia depth of like 2.2 uh kilometers yeah that's the one and like they kept going back down and each time they went back down they found out oh it's actually deeper oh wait it's actually deeper and it's even deeper than that like it they just kept discovering that it was deeper and deeper and then at the bottom there's this big like network of uh of smaller like sections and i mean yeah that's like the nature like a cave could just keep going who knows and then yeah at some point it might just be too difficult to get to certain places but i mean it's it's interesting to think about how those things like form over the course of you know thousands hundreds of thousands millions of years um but i mean yeah no thanks like like that's that's interesting but yeah no thank you i like i like when you get to go on those just sort of big spacious caves where they've got like a little walking path in there and you can see all of the formations yeah yeah that's that's really neat that kind of stuff's really cool um nice and comfortable and cozy not not terrifying yeah where it's you just go down there and it's cold and then you get back up and that's that and everything's lit and they always have that point in the tour where they turn off all the lights so you can imagine just like being down there or like you know when the first crazy ass people came down here they just had like a candle and so they'll light a candle with no other lights you know yep this is what they used to explore the cave just this this candle yep imagine doing that yeah i was like yeah i'll imagine doing it because i ain't doing it no thank you yeah it takes a kind of special kind of person to do that because oof well it's the same as climbing mountains right it's uh it's um he's i'd rather climb a mountain than explore a cave honestly um i think if i had to have a choice between it going up the highest mountain or exploring the deepest cave i'd probably yeah i'd probably take them out and i think i don't know what it is even though even though they're both like dangerous i feel like the mountain is is the one that i would prefer i think i could just mentally handle it far better yeah i think so because that's a mental the mental aspect is a huge part of it and you know as we've just been reading about um because i had heard about this because um it's contested or it's not it's not quite contested but there's some question as to whether i can't remember the guy's name the first guy to successfully climb Mount Everest was actually the first guy to successfully summit the mountain because there was a george mallory and there was this other guy who went with him they went in an expedition yeah like in 1924 and they died and they didn't find them they found george mallory like 75 years later um and then he was last seen a fairly short distance from the summit before he was lost and they couldn't find him so it's like a question of maybe he actually did reach it first um maybe yeah and he died on the way back but i mean you can never know you'd never know whether or not he made it or not because yeah like they did a lot of those expeditions but now it's it's at the point where it's more of like a tourism thing obviously it's an extreme accomplishment but there's like tours and groups that would do it then help you get there and like there's all the infrastructure up there that didn't exist before the base camps obviously like that that you've got the the Sherpas right that's what they called like working for months ahead of time yep or like months to prep to make sure that everybody's good to go now but i ain't i ain't climbing any mountains well i guess mountains i've climbed they're just they're like manageable mountains they're not you don't you can breathe at the top and things like that well there's that yeah exactly you don't have to i the thing that always freaks me out about like if i was at the top man ever since like what if there was like a really strong gust of wind and i lost my footing like i feel like that's a real possibility up there you'd fall all the way down well the base camp comic style you just go out out out out yeah like when he falls down the gorge i don't know if it was like that windiness yeah um though uh though apparently it's it's about 900 people have died attempting to summit Mount Everest in it and that's is that after k2 or is it the deadliest well well so it's i think i think it's more so it's more about a ratio of the number of people have died versus attempts uh compared to sheer deaths i think more people have died climbing Mount Everest but more people have tried to climb Mount Everest um but i mean when we were saying you know it's like 900 people at this point are like trying to go for it every year or summiting successfully every year it's like yeah there's no way that it says um it's got the same ratio as it's just as i understand at k2 is a more difficult claim it's just a tough one um though i i think that i think that there's one where it's like one in four people die um but it's not among those top five tallest yeah see there's this on Wikipedia it says that Wikipedia is your best friend all right k2 is the only eight kilometer meter peak uh that has never been climbed on its eastern face a sense of almost always been made in july and august which are typically the warmest times of the year uh k2's more northern location makes it more susceptible to inclement and colder weather uh the peak has now been climbed by almost all of its ridges yeah so it says it's more difficult and dangerous to climb due to uh it's more inclement weather only 377 people have completed the ascent whereas there have been 91 deaths so yeah way less people have attempted to climb it i guess that's probably because like who wants to climb the second tallest but it sounds like it's it's a huge accomplishment if you can actually do it not because you're like at the highest point on land but specifically because it's such a difficult mountain to climb yeah i suppose that eventually becomes the uh the accolade i did the crazy scary one but people want to people want to do the tallest one that's what they want to do this is just critical woke theory lol that's what we meant about the other direction you know this man raises so many red flags i thought i'd gone back in time to the ussr for a second it's kind of impressive and scary how open he is about it a little bit what i can tell this feels at home with his audience yeah he feels like streaming is the place for just him and his fans and he could you know get away with saying a lot of stuff to them made that very clear i don't have to he said i don't have to preach to the choirs like yeah y'all know what i'm talking about what i can tell is this guy doesn't want story doesn't want plot he only wants to hit buttons and see pretty colors hey look i i'm okay with the idea that someone's like i way prefer to play games for their gameplay but it gets pretty cringe when you're like if i see a cutscene we get fucking pissed it's like damn there was a cutscene playing and he was like what is what why is more like this i'm playing the game oh do you remember when he said like he doesn't believe i've played games as well it's it's all part of the cope it's all part of the cope this credit pause i don't have it so someone said this game was good this is the hasan of gaming changed my mind i'm pretty sure hasan does do gaming doesn't he what does he know i don't know actually um i don't know he's among us i remember reading somewhere that this asgard was also based off pre roman Nordic civilization oh hey responding to bad video essays i was starting to think you guys didn't do that anymore glad to see you back to bread and butter basics hi rags hello it feels good to be back honestly i'm sure plenty of people like yay that they were like oh god this is his doom nightmare mode an elden ring all over again literally tell me a trash at your job without telling me a trash at your job so i heard about this do you know what his take was on doom eternal prompt just i don't know no i don't so we're talking about synthetic fans yeah i've not seen the video but i've seen people talking about it and apparently he said something along the lines of like there's no point in trying to beat the higher difficulties because you're against bots not like people it's not something you can even celebrate like who would care that you can beat this game on the higher difficulties that's a bizarre opinion to have as a video reviewer i saw someone playing against humans there's no point in having you know having yeah i'm talking about like getting good at it and i saw someone say like did you really just shit on the entire speedrunning community this is like apparently yeah like more than the speedrun why say speedrunning that's just like games everyone well um true but i can understand why they would pick like challenge is a whole broad thing right like there's loads of communities that are based on not only doing it on the harder difficulties but doing that fast or doing that with no hits taken or doing it with limited weaponry you know all kinds of i've i've explained this to my chat before when i'm like fighting an enemy way earlier in the game than i should be and i'm dying like a hundred times they're like what's wrong with you it's like hey man it's a challenge now and i can do it i know i can like you could come back when it's much easier it's like yeah but then it's not the same challenge you know you can get that drive in you and stuff so it is weird to just be like i don't know like i haven't seen the video but the thing is when i saw that i was like doesn't surprise me he comes out with some absolutely bad shit opinions so gotta complain about something i guess um bringing on efat please he's a real life republican i'm fine we're bringing republicans on yeah he ain't no real life republican he's fucking nuts he's a crazy crazy person that doesn't yeah that's not like a factor it's not about that at all hi efap and guests love the game coverage and response more when you were reviewing this guy's streams and vods i'm curious if his chat if you could see it was pushing back on his idiocy no no no no no no no uh he would often say his chat is saying shit that's so much worse than what he's saying and he was right uh they would say much worse shit i wasn't i wasn't gonna be interested in like trying to clip out all of that or anything it was more so just uh well why do you think they're saying all that stuff um have a great weekend all thank you i feel like this is proof we need a gadelb ask hall of shame for stupid comments this guy is a gold miner needs chronicling he's definitely a mine i don't know about gold yeah he's been he's been chronicled it's all there i find lull tyler's comments interesting that the game isn't gory enough and atreus is too whiny for someone who's raised by kratos i like the story but it could be more militant imo thoughts so funnily enough i think it might be a fair comment for the 2018 game that it really lacks gore there's not a huge amount of examples of the gore in 2018 a lot of it is just he punches things to death um so if that's your preference and you miss the sort of brutality of the first games and yeah i can see that but i don't see it for for ragnarok you saw that montage they why i just don't get it if anything i found it quite satisfying as someone who likes to sort of like annihilate an enemy when i keep thinking about that what were you like he chops it down into their head and then chops the left arm the right arm and then part of the torso off like it's just like how what what do you want at this point like fountains of blood for you and like the the wolver kill funnily enough the animation is similar in the 2018 game but it's there's less blood they added more blood in this one right oh yeah i i guess it's good people want the because the one in in god of war three right with the ogre like rip the eye out maybe that's what they're comparing it to there's uh there's quite a few in the i think god of war three probably is the goriest i'm guessing i'm looking back now i didn't really know what no i think i remember ascension was uh that one was particularly uh gory i remember that was like okay i wrote up when it came out i don't even know that i've seen a clip of the gameplay of ascension i like i haven't i think that there was one in ascension where like when he cuts like a a centaur in half like its guts actually spill out like its intestines spill out into the well they did that in god of war three oh okay but yeah i'm gonna maybe it's those two yeah because with god of war two it's like well there's only so much you can do on ps2 yeah the guts aren't gonna look as effective um yeah it's kind of like old ps2 mortal combat versus what they can do now you know and then as for atreus is too whiny for someone raised by kratos i don't even know what to do with that um kratos was a very very distant father for most of atreus's life up to 2018 deliberately so that he wouldn't influence him to become a worse person because i so much kratos was worried about his nature affecting atreus but yep atreus is too whiny do you mean that he like complains and talks back of course he's still he still does the yes sir thing he's still yeah sort of adhering to that kind of matter of speaking so and that's the thing he uh as you would have guessed from the 2018 game he's very rage fuelled he's definitely kratos his son like they they definitely have all of the traits that come from kratos are in atreus as well um but yeah he rips into kratos every once in a while he'll disagree with him all the time that he's there's the thing he is chaotic uh atreus he's often running around doing lots of different things very reckless um but at the same time he's got that good heart underneath a lot of it same for kratos so i don't know yeah i quite i quite like him as a kratos his son sort of thing i think it looked quite a bit as for the story you like it but it could be more militant i don't know like aggressive in its messaging is what i read that as but i'm not sure what you mean is militant yeah i would need more on what you mean by a militant i'm not sure exactly i read that as aggressive in its messaging like a story that's militant is very obvious in what it's trying to say it's very maybe preachy but just very assertive with its message this is the most painful efap since efap 93 well another one for the history books i suppose uh a tender moment between husband and wife equals woke what the fuck dude is an actual buzzword generator it's bizarre yeah it gets to be too much when it's almost like you need i need you to explain your entire pov because at this point you sound like an alien that's what's going on if you asked him to define what is woke he would say oh you know we all know well i remember when he when he described uh uh ghryla as uh black voodoo magic lady and i remember seeing a comment saying like why did he say voodoo is it literally because she's black yes just like fuck me man and then he was like if you don't admit this is horribly cringe you are woke without like reprieve like you're done you're just woke forever or whatever just what does that even mean i don't have to sad do i just finished two live performances of the stage musical holiday in and you guys are still going yeah it was a long a long boy this dude's name needs to be added to a registry and he should be banned from being within a thousand yards of a story let him let him have the stories he likes just keep him away from reviewing things he does nothing about man literally only remembers kratos for the violence and rage there were times in the old games he showed other emotions but he's supposed to be a real fan of these games get the fuck out would you remember the part where he said he was outraged that kratos cried in ragnarok then he said well there are no tears but he's crying and then he pauses then he's like i don't think he cried in the originals i don't think and he was like pausing because he realizes oh shit there are a couple of scenes where he's like dealing with the losses yeah this is like oh shit did he cry fuck because if he did that ruins my whole argument it's like careful he had he had quite an interesting fucking view of the original games where he's just like completely forgot what happened in them a lot of people seem to mola has free enterprise in his head dude i was surprised how much he would talk about me i was going through those streams not something i expected he wants this game to be doom yeah i think he'd be happier if it was doom yeah um i'll grow up with you but i can't grow up for you oh well one day i'm drinking water casually went out of the blue you hear 10 out of 10 water yeah mola likes this if you didn't know makes you woke also high wags hello this one just says mola likes it uh oh remember that must be bad mola likes it yep another quarter to the long man bad jar why not yeah rags his obvious flaw is that he's flawless oh that's kind of you to say which means i know where we are now in terms of video coverage we're at that yeah i wonder if this guy can explain exactly how efab completely changed when wolf left look i miss him too but come on anyways play ddlc dumboz um it does come up i think everyone loves a narrative right and it's like when would it make sense to say efab change most of us do i i i i i i i understand what you're getting at but like he he made up his own narratives for how bad the game was right um i oh yeah i guess in terms of this guy um uh so yeah like if if you're someone who liked efab at some point and doesn't anymore what is like the changing point and uh there was an assumption it might be when people be like oh when fringy joined there you go that's because that's an event and it happened at a decent time maybe that makes some sense or whatever but a lot of people will pick near end or one of our arcs people will pick when wolf left and it's just like do you even know when that was it was a long time how many years ago it was at this point yeah and uh yeah it just i think they pick it because it just makes sense it just in in your head sort of just optically sort of just like yeah that that was it it was what because wolf was really really super cool and awesome and he was what made efab uh worthwhile he was more edgy more real like yeah i think they may have gotten a strange idea of it is funny because like i wonder if uh wolf from even when we first started efab i wonder what he'd have to say about uh god of war 2018 and ragnarok hmm i don't think he'd be called it woke definitely i highly doubt it uh doctor strange two unbridled rage was a magnum freaking opus i would gladly wait months for another video of that caliber well so that's the thing when he was like he doesn't do any work i was just like but dude you think i did like when you edit when you have the process you do and then you see that i put one video out for like three months or whatever that translates in your head like wow he must be doing nothing i'm like we do not have the same process we you pump shit out without knowing anything about what you're talking about i can't do that it'd be fucking nuts and yes that uh that doctor strange video took forever to make like ruling but more than just me too uh take my money harder daddy you're my favorite isa lab hi doggy hello oh hi doggy the correct term is longoid i am indeed a long longoid long alton mclong's a lot this guy is movie bobs morality jack saints character jabbo's honesty quintons talent and joseph anderson's humor all in one oh what a what a breakdown that's uh what a list of incredible traits that you have uh the thief thinks that everyone steals there you go about sums up what i was trying to say just then yeah pretty much yeah he's projecting his flaws on everyone else yeah i've paid two bucks to simply say this guy is pain and to think these super chats they're not even ready for what's about to happen we'll get into that point two bucks well spent i would say uh this guy makes cinematic venom look reasonable he makes him look normal my venom was uh surprising to us when we covered him but in retrospect he was almost like ill now yeah he's pretty he's pretty chill dude yeah he seems dare i say normal in comparison i don't think he said a cuck can't write well just that this guy is a cuck so how could he write for a chad not sure if birch had too much input with his normal wokeness he just wrote the story what even i don't even know what i'm supposed to do why are we even exploring this line of can a cuck write for a chad it's like what the kind of man right for a woman oh geez i don't know i guess he can because look at what some people said like he already wrote side quests like some of the side quest stuff is amazing so this this weird thing that sort of happened like you know if knives out was amazing like the writing was just some of the best we've ever seen i think people would be like no but it was written by ryanjot when it's like no no you don't need to do this whole like ah how do we reconcile it's like it's easy you just really fucking tried on that one that's all you have to do in your brain it doesn't have to be that like if he wrote he can't possibly write it's like no no no it's look at taiko it's easy right he made ragnarok and love and thunder those two films they're like night and day in terms of like an approach for caring about the characters and trying to have like some level of comedic pacing i actually recommend drink his uh video comparing two very similar scenes from both video films give you an idea but like yeah we got ridley scott example james cameron we've got plenty of these creators that did amazing things and kind of shit things um it just that's just that can happen and so if you're like anthony birch is a terrible writer he couldn't possibly have been that involved in this in fact it's proof that this is badly written it's like you're going about this backwards you're like reverse engine not even no reverse engineering is a good thing in terms of getting yourself information this is this is just like false positives based on biases you're supposed to remove those now when like a new project is coming out and we check out who's making it and we're like oh fuck it's this guy that's still not a guarantee of it being bad we've been over this before there's still a chance i remember saying there's still a chance that the drastic will dominion would be good there's a chance but then i get told it's worse than falling kingdoms like oh fuck sake tried sending this chat six hours ago but had to change my google password been re-watching this efap series i am halfway through efap 23 now it has been a great ride and here's to another 200 faps hi rags may the dawn bless oh hello to you and dawn bless you as well now enjoy your uh your adventure you're on 23 you've got several months left so you'll be good to go gadel but they don't make games for men anymore correct no games for men anymore no tech definitely not only girls only girly boys play video games well do you do you remember in the simpsons movie how like flanders makes this hot like chocolate it's like this work of art i just found a youtube video where a guy like tries to recreate it it's really neat he didn't he didn't it did it took him a little bit longer than it took flanders to prepare but nevertheless well no one could be as perfect as flanders well i mean it's it's hard to compete with an animated character in terms of that kind of speed but it's it's neat ninja guidance for the nes which came out in the 80s had story and cutscenes look whatever man yeah the problem is if we're talking about like again cut scenes it's kind of a it's kind of an awkward way to describe it because like isn't a cutscene when like if you're playing super metroid and you've got like the opening like sequence where you've got the information being conveyed to you about like yeah you hadn't the planet and you this is what you gotta do you know is that like a cutscene it's like it's a story being conveyed in a video game but like i don't know if you know what i mean like i don't know yeah i feel like cutscene cutscene is if it's funny because he was one of those people who's like oh yeah you haven't played like games from like the games i've played in the past it's like you're looking at it from a very like 3d onward perspective um about cutscenes and gameplay because games have conveyed story through non interactive moments but like they wouldn't be described as a cutscene you know well i'm also very fucking tired because a lot of these things like we're trying to deal with the arguments as presented as though they have like some level of weight but i already disagree at the premise so sometimes i just can't be bothered like yeah like i've got to prove the cutscenes have existed for a long time like no i shouldn't even bother like why have we agreed suddenly or something in some weird way that the presence of cutscenes is ruining it as a game it's like what the fuck do people feel that way about like the old Final Fantasy games that would have like extended segments of story also part of his point is right because they're they're like he said he was like of the games that actually did do like more things with cutscenes they were notable for that as if to imply any that strayed from the formula of basically zero cutscenes were notable for it's like so not bad it's just notable but also like no not like there's a lot of adventure point and click adventure games but like in the 90s there are a lot of those there are a lot of jrpgs i know but even if we were to entertain that argument it's just like i don't know you're looking at video games delivering narrative through a very 3d perspective when there are a lot of 2d games that conveyed narrative in different ways like i feel like playing like ocarina of time and you're talking to other characters you know like is that a cutscene is that acceptable i feel like the auger got annihilated when he said like i'm rushing through to do the story and then at the end it was really fun because i got to do all of the gameplay it's like that was always there you could always do more of the gameplay stuff that was always yeah but you didn't do it when it's literally fucking signposted like you can when characters are like why don't you go and do some other stuff exactly mimera is prompting you to fucking explore and he makes fun of it he's like they want me to check out the other side content it's like it's the game it's a video game yeah it's the game like i said i am just i present it like like being like it's a move remember i think i said this at the beginning it's like it's a movie game i'm just like is that that denigray in it or is that a category i can't tell i'm fine with the category if it should probably be a category i think at this point but it's a denigray and it's more complicated than that that's what they i'm pretty sure that's what they're intending for it to be though like the pulling in a movie game would offend me it's like yeah like you like a movie game when i'm just like what do you mean like a narrative focused game with lots of cutscenes i should be like that's fine the snowy movie games which is funny it's like embarrassing to like a movie game well i mean yeah i don't know that it's totally embarrassing kind of awkward to say it's embarrassing to like any genre of game like specifically it's like saying it's embarrassing to like a first a military first person shooter it's like can we that'd be fair that that's well that's not a good example because that is embarrassing but but generally yeah that's uh i just like that he actually honestly thought he had the answer right the whole you're allowed cutscenes if they lost one minute five minutes if it's like oh my god these thoughts pop into his head and he like says them i said that if there's the line between non-movie game and movie game is like did you go over the one minute marca you you are you fuck you little shit you you become a movie game now it doesn't matter how good those cutscenes are exactly it's i mean it's if we're talking about games from the era that he often praised right like sixth generation like jack and aXa there's a lot of cutscenes and like jack two and three but they're really funny and entertaining it's like i'm happy to watch them same with ratchet and clank same with a lot of games i mean grand theft auto has tons of cutscenes like the playstation even even like grand theft auto three has like a good amount of cutscenes but then once you get in the vice city in san andres there was a lot of story well there's a lot of story that gets conveyed while you're like driving between locations that's like a pretty common vehicle for storytelling and in rock star games and max pain three i really like max pain three and that game has a lot of cutscenes and some of them are quite long it feels to me like it's it's just the wrong response if someone says yep i love this game and it's one of the greatest games of all time like oh okay what's what's the deal here with it it's like well it is two hours of cutscene 10 minutes of gameplay two hours of cutscene five minutes of gameplay two hours of cutscene half an hour of gameplay and then the end my response isn't bro i play games to play games i'd be like wow that seems really unconventional these cutscenes like real fucking good like yeah not only that but the gameplay has been lauded as some of the best of all time like whoa yeah exactly and i mean when it comes to delivery of story there's a lot of different options available in video games video games have a lot of options really because you can look at something that's more environmental storytelling a lot of stealth games like metro prime and not the metro prime is a lot of stealth games and then there's also like metro prime and uh you know like games where it's it's much more about soaking in the environment and the uh and the ambience or the ambience and um piecing things together as you go uh of course rpg is a lot of the time kind of let you explore the story at your own pace into the depth that you're happy with like if you're playing mass effect you don't have to talk to everybody and explore every dialogue option i want to be good i don't really care how much cutscene there is i don't care how well yeah it's i i only care how and so far as whether it's good or bad i i don't know that there's any like i have preferences sometimes sure but like if it's good it's good that's that's it if you're i was about to say like with maybe like a chess or a pacman or base invaders but like a newer vision comes out and they run a story mode for tetris it's like you're a kid who joins a tournament for tetris and so there's like a minute cutscene to establish all of that you play against your friend and it goes to the tetris normal screen right and winning it means you beat your friend and then the story continues in the form of cutscenes and then you know if someone was like i just wanted to fucking play tetris man i don't care about whatever this story thing is like i would automatically assume there's a that story mode that there's yeah the mode free play option yeah so then if someone said well i want that for god of war i just want to kill stuff i don't have to deal with a fucking story i should be like i'm sorry that's just like the format that's that they're running with and how yeah it's kind of the same as like i want a first person to shoot in god of war it's like well that's not what it is like you know i i want horde mode and they're just like we don't have that oh well i want it like okay but you can't say like the game is bad because it didn't have the mode i wanted no it's more complicated than that yeah like there are there are contexts where you bring that up but you yeah you've got to be more engage with it for what it is as a format of media it does come across sometimes as weird as like i didn't like this piece of music because there was no visuals to to accompany it and you're listening to like an album it's like what do you like i didn't like this book because i couldn't hear any of it just kind of all the capacity is all wrong and this is the thing i just i fundamentally don't know why they feel like it's done when they say it's a movie game like i have made my criticism i'm like you just talk about a category that i'm not even a game what it is yeah and yeah and it turns into like yeah you guys aren't gamers because you want movies in your games i mean you know i like my i like my very i like games like god of war ragnarok and i like very gameplay focus titles as well yep i like the law i just want whatever it is to be good yeah and whatever it's trying to be as long as it's good i don't see what the problem would be well that's why i try to push it to an extreme if i had a game that was 10 hours of cutscene and 10 minutes of gameplay and that was the totality the whole experience and i know the first thing to say is like that sounds absolutely insane it's like yeah but what if it was really good though what of the story yeah what if what if the story and the characters and the you know the plot of the cutscenes was actually very very compelling and like if someone then said like well should it really be called a game at that point i'd be like that's a fair question but that doesn't it's just a different question but whatever it is that you call this thing is good yeah i think that's important it is a different question it is not it is a it is a fair question but it is a different question and so if you were like god of war ragnarok doesn't deserve to be called a game i'd be like call it whatever you want it's good also good luck calling it anything other than a game it's a video game sorry yeah for the record i don't know how you categorize that as anything other than a game i you're just a you're just a fool if you want to call it a movie game and movie games refer to games that uh have a large amount of cutscenes i yeah sure i'm yeah i'll yeah sure i'll take it do it little game dun dun dun this guy is projecting so hard i can use him to drive use him as a drive-in movie theater oh oh fake quick time event no no the quick time event is there it might be bad it might be stupid but it's real it's it's a it's not a quick time event though what's a quick time event and again it's right i was supposed to hammer like the i'm not the hammer the axe at the tree at the beginning of god of war 2018 make sure you know the button to press to this new mechanic that we're giving you or this this this mechanic that we're giving you you need to know what the button is this is the button press that button to proceed to confirm when i was describing the the annoyance with the menus at the beginning right where it says like press x now press l1 to go to the new tab now press x it's like annoying to go through all of it but i wouldn't describe all of that was quick time events i can't fail like what does that even mean i like i said it just feels like you've found a roundabout way of describing something to avoid describing what it actually is but i don't necessarily blame anybody for being like oh i can't fail this okay but to then complain and call it a fake quick time event is like uh-oh i feel like now you've gone a little bit far yeah just recognize what for what it is um i'd say take a shot every time he says leftist but you'd be dead in five seconds uh i am i imagine he has called us soy and woke about a hundred times by now that's all he knows to do is just call things so they call things woke and act as if that's just self-evident you know self-evident for why it's bad i guess you have to appreciate how thankful we should be that he's making up for our lack of being cold lefty and woke you know we've got a lot of racism and homophobia blah blah blah we haven't had a lot of you are woke since no bullshit you know it's been a while that's true it has to make up for it he's adding a lot i like being the alt right leftist it's fun there is like i've been called on the internet on the same fucking day on the internet i've been called a fascist and a libertarian instead of watching this 10-hour supercut you could listen to the ragnarok roughly soundtrack five times on spotify it's around two hours long high rags hello you could put it on the background of listening to the 10-hour supercut yeah to make it seem really dynamic a really epicky fap i suppose brados doesn't like sand it's coarse and rough and gets everywhere now hey guys i'm high as fuck right now hope you're having a great stream hell yeah cool yeah i fell asleep and woke uh just woke back up hail the long hail i lez rubius bagel snatch do solemnly swear to finish my tfa series by the spring well i don't know who that guy is but apparently that's what he's promising to do i'm trying to shrink you into swearing to deliver it on that yes so yeah that's right today's december 11th covering synthetic man's after main video highlightisms drink water and take care whips and chains brothers whips and chains whips and chains this child is from bizarro california bizarro california yeah the the flip-flop nega verse of our own in the multiverse he's the reverse of everything if he was an npc in a game we would complain about how unrealistic he is i mean no one actually exists like this right dude they're a way worse than him in his comments action holy shit i was told me to rags about it the other day i don't even want to say what they were saying in there uh and highlight in the discord and some of it i was just like you're not serious that's not actually being written it's like yep this is the straw man of rightoids lefties make lol so this is the thing when you see people like him exist and if you see like five of them in a row or even 10 because this is the problem of the internet when you get into certain partisan bubbles you start receiving the worst of your enemy all the time and so you don't you start to forget that there are normal people and it goes both ways if you see many of him in a row and then you see something like where we may have some signifiers that we may in some way agree with him on something in some way and then they should go like oh so you guys are just like him and it's like no no no no no no this is why you have to take everybody individually instead of trying to do this fucking shortcut shit because hyper tribalism sucks but that's like that's just what the internet is involved into now hence why we basically piss off everybody i now feel bad for ever watching synth i never watched his streams i mean jesus christ my dude i think only the hardcore folks did dude there was somebody in chat who was like oh no is that what he meant by they who was like a fad of his just like so when people show up into the streams they probably aren't paying enough attention to quite get what's being said but man if i was there live as a fan and he said that angra boat of shit holy i'd be like oh oh oh i'm leaving and i'm not coming back too far down the rabbit hole well so this is the thing uh what what can pull people out of stuff like that it's like usually not being preached at for how they're a bad person or anything it can be a story they really love and it has some values in it that gets instilled and then they can start to understand a bit better or they have someone that they absolutely love and trust and that person says like hey maybe you're wrong about this thing and it's so so funny i've seen this sentiment in other places but it's like damn god will ragnarok is kind of one of the perfect games to help him out of his like crazy spiral finally was paying more attention to it it's not even that really is it he was yeah i wasn't even that he was never he never wanted to hear it yeah i'm willing to take on board a willingness to actually take on board like what the film was trying to uh oh uh oh that what the what the game was uh trying to say what was the thing for the record it could have been a film they probably could have done it that way um you want a lot a lot no that would have been tough well but like i just i feel like again i feel like an alien sometimes where i'm just like there was like fucking 50 hours of gameplay that i went through so i don't yeah i don't understand what is being said here like yes there's a lot of cutscenes but there's a shit ton of gameplay which is pretty funny because like the gameplay in totality i think for god of war three amounts to i think my playthrough was eight hours so it was probably like seven hours of gameplay and then one hour of either soft or hard cut scenes and so that ratio probably reflects the ratio in uh in ragnarok at least to some degree and even if it doesn't meet meet it one to one that's fine um it's just so weird right like you spend so much time doing combat and i was about to say unexploring but i don't know judging from his video is unclear if he considers exploring cutscenes remember um right oh yeah i don't know this says name the welsh jenny dude we're not in a rabbit hole we're in a goddamn black hole yeah a little bit i know no rational thought can escape you'll probably miss this stream but since you guys didn't bring it up in your two part of stream i just wanted to bring up odin not destroying the realm gates with his magic cannons earlier the lack of planning by kratos lack of planning um the goal i think kratos or kratos' plan they they go over it a couple times was to activate surta and uh he's like prophesized to use the floor that uh rimthor put into the asgardian wall and then of course they they're using helheim and alfheim armies to push back on the forces of asgard when they arrive the machines of war are already destroying the towers so that they can't bring in reinforcements so one of the questions i still brought up this was even on one of my streams i think like the part 10 or 11 was why didn't odin destroy the realm towers well ahead of time and um the only thing i've got for that uh is that it seems that like that he needed those uh dwarven war machine things to do it he designed them he was prepping them to use them for that purpose and the dwarves delayed it as much as possible invented all kinds of reasons why they couldn't be made right because they were always waiting to submit him or he was or odin might have seen a use for him him for those himself being able to you know having these portals around it's possible um especially with the the mid guardians it's likely he may have used a realm tower to get the mid guardians from mid god to asgard so it's possible odin would want to keep them for his own benefit until they become a threat and then of course the dwarves fucked him over with the the floors in the machines themselves so um but no i i think it's a fair question to have about how exactly everything's working out there you sort of have to go with the lack of info like there's a vagueness to it that you have to sort of fill in some blanks like i assume that uh he wanted to get those weapons as ready as soon as possible and that was as soon as they were ready um and of course uh if you remember he says when he's got the mask and the the thing is happened with brock he says uh i guess it's war after all like that was the moment that he decided okay war is actually happening yeah pretty much uh well this was a wild efab don't forget to go outside y'all being chronically online isn't pretty hi fringy hey yeah walks are good yeah chronically online very bad um oh and another thing as well because i can't remember if we went over it but um i remember on my first and second playthroughs being very confused as to how angrobota travels and so apparently the answer is the same way that Loki does slash atreus that when it's i'm not sure if it's when you go to sleep you have to think of a place really hard and giants can like teleport to them question mark they have to go through that weird area he went through first or something because she mentions that place being a bit rocky sometimes as if she does it as well and that's how she's moved around so that answers that i suppose the other question was how did she manage to find atreus all the time and her answer to that in the game is she throws his marble at him when he says it as if the marble allows her to lock on to wherever he is i'm not sure how that makes any sense because mechanically speaking of course this is fantasy so you can just tell me like her holding that marble gives her a sense of where he is in whatever realm he's in it's like okay what is how is the marble made how does that work is when a giant is born a marble like appears or someone crafts it and then they write their name into it i think it was um that they were they craft yeah and then it was ruins or something i guess they use some kind of magic to bind them and then it can tell you where they are at all times like okay one of the reasons why they can get away with a lot of this is because all the giants are fucking gone so not many of them even you know you have him an angrobot or other knows that can you powers but they all seem very um this is a thing i think they would fuck up if they had more nor stories to tell the of you notice like you go when you go into 2018 it's actually pretty damn difficult to travel from realm to realm but by the time we hit the end of ragnarok there's all kinds of ways people are moving through different realms uh it's becoming a lot easier and that it seems like an inevitability when you have a long term story of like long distances all the dimensions and stuff like game of thrones is one of the worst for it like season one it was already reaching criticism for how fast people were getting from place to place when it was an enormous place but by the time you hit the last season everyone's moving around like teleporting absolutely because like we can't be asked to deal with that anymore we got other storytelling priorities you know um for example the question of like did fenrir just know how to manipulate the realm tears like perfectly as soon as he took control of uh garm's body and it's like i guess he did i assume yeah i that one's easy for me to you know accept given that he's he's taking over the brain inside of that body as well um which you know pretty clearly to me implies that you get some knowledge of that you know yeah i think you're right i think there's room there to understand that one especially being a um i saw someone complain like it's incredibly convenient she just happened to want to save them at the end and came in it's like she was a part of the war so there's no reason to not assume that she had some awareness of the fight that was going on um then of course she has that marble and stuff like all you need is for she was battling a valkyrie the last time we saw her when we were on the outside of the war you just assume that fight came to an end in whatever way and then she realm tears back in and sees that they're fighting and then once you see like all she needs to do is see that serter is about to plow his sword into the heart of asgard for her to be like holy shit wherever Loki is right now i need to open a tear to him does and then finds all of them are there but that that doesn't that's fine with me i don't i don't really see any problem with that one but um you know this is the thing it's uh there was a lot to cover so there's lots of phrases and criticisms that were missed um oh god you're still here yes we were there hell of a show guys fellas great work in all honesty it was a tough one the 11 and a half it was uh it felt like it really flew by though that that went some e-faps can get can be tough to get through they feel like they are kind of at a crawl but that one was like woo you blink and feel like it just it went like so fast i was so engaged with it it was uh rich with horrendously stupid shit that we could bounce off of um i know a thing or two about the hen of the tie and even then i would nope out of his elaborate breeding scenario not the god of war stream we wanted hey man if you wanted the like wholesome praise god of war stream we gave you two of those and then they came a cost universe we have to keep the balance of the universe of the cosmos the scales of you know something i don't know his ex must have taken his playstation broke she shattered his heart into pieces all i can assume just a miserable person how the fuck does someone like that get made i'm not even gonna speculate but it's super unfortunate that that happens yep and continues to carry forth seemingly just without any desire to change any desire to even have an open mind um it's it's a sad sight it's really sad to see in a way it appears as of the past few minutes or hours he privated a few streams oh my i wonder why i think they're just unlisted he he does the normal thing of unlisting streams yeah uh i think that probably wouldn't be a fantastic move for him to stop privating streams because it you don't want to just yeah you don't want to be like no it's yeah you know what they're there and they're the best defense is everything i said is a joke 100% like okay uh movie bob versus synthetic with jarred as the mediator oh could you imagine both of them would want each other dead like movie bob would be like synthetic man you're the reason i'm not on mars and then synthetic man would be like movie bob you're the reason we have movie games you're the reason i'm not on mars what was the point again what did he say uh the republicans and they're backward ass everything the reason we have gotten our technological advancements to the point where he would have a cyborg body on mars you don't want to live on mars all right it would be terraformed and beautiful by that idiot oh why would so what's what what's the cyborg part what is that about why i just i guess the advancements in whatever you know has right wants to be a cyborg i mean i guess you know that's like really hard right to get to mars had to no it wouldn't be hot if republicans slowing us the fuck down right i say they ruined everything would have been we would have been running e-fap on mars right now every frame of mars indeed a fam all righty and that's it that's all super chat oh all three ragnarok streams gad zooks well and that's the end of the ragnarok yes it is thank you all so much for tuning in for that that wonderful time on e-fap that will forever be remembered i'm sure is that that thing that happened that's right strange unforgettable closing out of course with a six hour e-fap mini classic six hour mini it's just funny isn't it but we're getting real close to actually catching up to the super chats again but we're almost there we've almost cracked the case wonderful um yes super appreciate all the engagement be it in the form of letting us know what you think that way all the other in the form of very kind donations or just giving us some messages of support um or even criticism all of its welcome thank you all so much uh this this was a wild ride i think if yeah the ragnarok in total it was like 40 hours or some shit so yeah those who enjoyed it and wanted it getting covered i guess you kind of won so uh enjoy yeah but um yeah seriously thank you all so much we are going to head out now mm-hmm we'll see you on whatever it is that it ends up being the next thing we do fully pip yeah goodbye bye bye bye bye we'll see you later