 I don't have the time to do the legwork, so I want to bring somebody in and then play it and go. That's awful. So that's why we decided to bring Dave in. Then somebody who's done it before, it's just a seasonal position and it gives us time for me to get the data together that the board wanted to look at it. But I just think that bringing Dave in without any wing experience, he has a cloud experience where he does it. He's never run a winging on a cloud. It's totally different than whatever you might have learned over the summer. I just think it's a risky move to give him my $210,000 brand new truck to run a brand new route. Well, I can't discuss somebody's, I'm not, you know, the public. What I would know about him or not, as far as his abilities, you know, and my understanding is on his experience level, I'm not really sure, and I was a ton cashed out, not on my public session, but certainly that was the reason that, you know, what the board's gonna do. So I have to do something. And at this point, I can't, you know, our options are very limited as far as bringing someone in in a seasonal position. Has anybody been to Oxford that has applied a seasonal position and just Dave? Just Dave. Because my understanding is they both, the applicants were looking for full-time work. I spoke with both of the applicants about the process and how it was happening. So, you know, I think, you know, speaking as one of the five members of me, I would like to see a fully functional highway department made up of good, reliable, mobile talent. Now I will say that just because you put your application it doesn't mean that you're gonna get an interview or get hired. So I think, you know, on that end of things it's, I don't know who's in the candidate, but I know Dave, I know the big scramble right now is the winner's gonna be here in a month, right, or less. I would just, you know, definitely on Dave's end of things is, you know, you know, just as well as, you know, him coming in, you know, Jason, you were the, you know, a few years ago, you were the entry level of 12, you know. So coach him, mentor him, get him up to speed. Hopefully, you know, between candidates and, you know, we'll be able to put that back together if we get some point this winter or maybe after the winter we get a fully functional for the spring. I know we will have to make some decisions because we're gonna be going through budgeting here in the next, you know, over the next two to three months we'll be doing our budget. So, but I think at this point we're probably looking to fully fund the department now it's not gonna fall through when we have to outsource some pieces and then we'll have to do that, but, so. And as far as the routes, that's the road foreman decides. This leg board does not decide who gets what route and where do I, that's the road foreman's decision. I wasn't talking about it, I was just talking about what I heard. Yeah, so that's what I said to Alan, you know, when I talked to him the other day and was the same. So that's why, you know, just like where I came up maybe two, three meetings ago or something like that and all of a sudden, you know, I wasn't thinking about outsourcing anything more, but. I know they want the biggest challenge. I get to do. The biggest challenge when I see everything what I do is trying to find a good grader and operator is very, very difficult. You know, it takes decades to groom a good grader operator, you know. That's why Gary Slack is doing it right now. You know, it's tough to lose some way to have a grader experience as a, you know, it's no different than anything you do. If it's for our wing or whatever, it takes time to build that skill and learn that. So. Yeah, right now that Gary Slack is doing a couple, he's gonna get through, I guess, he's gonna try to get through all the roads that Alan told me before, before winter, so. So I know for the past two and a half years, I've put in that I wanted to learn a grader and I've actually worked with AJ and I've worked with Doug and I've taken a grader class and I've never been approached about trying on a woodland road or a back road. Never been approached about doing any of that. So I was just curious, that's interesting. Yeah, I mean, definitely that's something between you and Alan and Therese to talk about. I mean, definitely you and Alan first. Yeah. And Alan said that he's taking classes on grader as well, so I'm wondering why he's not trying there. Okay. Anything else? Any other public comment, inquiry? I have one, just because I want to put another visit. But I'm Elliot's here. So one, awesome, like seeing a lot of usage at the skateboard fire. No, thank you very much. My daughter and I kind of walked over this weekend to kind of see it like first hand, first hand with people on it, which was really cool. The one takeaway I did notice that was over there and I don't know how we approached that either with some signage or some outreach on it is the lack of helmet usage. Well, the DJ doesn't have to say that. But I'm saying that people that were there this weekend and these were adults, actually one picture within the paper that showed people clearly not wearing helmets. I know we're working on a sign. We are working on a sign. Yeah, we are. And it's a real extensive sign that's being done in order. Yeah. She's right, yeah. And it's also recommended that they tell you so. From what I saw over there was younger individuals were wearing their helmets. Like the older, I'll say 18 and older individuals were wearing their helmets. Yeah. And even though we sort of kind of have a responsibility there, how do we get that out there? I'll have Dichu put up once. They've already decided the wording, I think, on the signage. So I'll just have her put it up. She can just laminate that on paper. I'll talk to her about that. That was really great. The first thing I would take away was like, ooh. And thank you because we, the raffle drawing, 878 bucks. Thanks. But yeah, as far as usage, it was good. I mean, of course, it was 77 degrees that day. And everybody was 77. But yeah. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. Right. But we have been working on ideas for this sign through the summer and then it takes a while to get that ordered in. Yeah. Okay, let's see. So we had some appointments. She got room. And what's that? Oh, appointments. I'm sorry, I'm not 80. No, no, now we have, which is good. Now we have some committee appointments. So we have one, two, three, four, five appointments for different committees here. And then like we typically, we ask for some sort of letter or document of no interest to do it. So we had three individuals for- Four, because it was a deep ride. Oh, sorry. We had four individuals that had put a letter in in regards to the Equity and Inclusion Committee. Didn't see one. Were you gonna- Lenny, you gonna do it? Not yet. Not yet? Not yet. So we'll be good. Name some of the letters, yeah, they're all in packets. So we have four individuals on there. We can just get a motion on that. So it's Jesse Plotsky, David Fair, Owen Daniel MacArthur, and Christy Fry. Now we move to appoint all four of them to be the Equity and Inclusion Committee. Second. Hey, all in favor? I don't know. Okay. Okay, it's here. Order is sent down. Use on the Planning Commission too. No, I find a place for you if you're old now. Oh, okay. I was just trying to figure out if it's Planning Commission. Yeah, I did not find a place for you if you're old now. We also had four Wayne Townsend for the Planning Commission. There was a letter in there for that. So if I have a motion on that one. So who? Hey, all in favor? So what does that put the Planning Commission at now, officially three? Yeah, including me. Yeah. So we have two, so far, two. Really open for three. I just doubled your- And I'm ready to- I did email with the Chair and the Commission right now. He's going to obviously send us a letter of resignation because he's a cool man. And Ellie had a few words for the back. Yeah, we had a talk before you prove or disapprove over that one tonight. Make a statement. Sure. Understanding of the process of a citizen joining a town committee is a person who wants to join a committee is introduced to the committee. The person has given information about the committee. The person learns the functions and goals of the committee. The committee members get to be introduced to the person. The person is invited to a meeting. The person attends a meeting in person or by Zoom. Through the years, committee members have come and gone. Every time that process has been in place. That is how Peter Feeney, Shane Kinsley, Batch and Henneman, Melissa Hayward, and Kayla Farrow came to be a committee member. However, I am confused upon seeing this name on the agenda as an addition to the Recreation Committee. As chairperson of the Recreation Committee, I am wondering why this procedure was not followed. I was not notified about this. Why was it I introduced to this afternoon? As chairperson, I should have been given contact information so I could talk to this person and invite her to a committee meeting and answered any questions she may have. I do not understand why this outcome is being considered to the Recreation Committee without going through the established procedure. Has the procedure changed? Finding out about this appointment because it is an agenda item puts me in a very awkward situation I have been notified. Well, I can say that since I have been a Bethel, I was never aware of the procedure that you outlined and we have been looking for volunteers, as you know, aggressively as have you. And so we put out the letter, we've put out all the posts looking for volunteers. The only thing I was told was that they were supposed to submit a letter of interest to the select board. We have asked anyone who has, and I have said this publicly, I don't know how many times, that if you're interested in joining a committee, I have asked people to go to the meeting so that they could get a feel for it. I know that there's current member, at least one member of the Recreation Committee who knows the applicant and said she'd be good on it, but I haven't, so I'm not aware of that procedure at all. All I have been told is that they need to send a letter of interest to the select board. It's obviously the select board's right to appoint whoever they choose and so she put in a letter of interest and said she wanted to join the Rec Committee and I don't know, I didn't know she had an attending meeting so I put in on the agenda for the select board to appoint her. So. Okay, but as you said, in September 14th you recommended any person who has interest to come to a meeting. Right. Now, as you mentioned, this person that is name is on here knows a committee member. Yeah. And as far as I know, if you're suggesting that that committee is a pool director, that pool director, I would think that that pool director knows the procedure. Also, that pool director in February emailed me that she had family commitments and has to take, it wasn't the pool director. Okay, so what's not. So I think, so my opinion anyways, well, I don't think there is any formal, there is no formal documented procedures for the committees on how people were brought forward to serve a committee. I know in the past the way the select board has required is that because there were times where people were nominated for a position and then didn't know about it and got results on a committee or role, government and then didn't show up. So the biggest thing that we have asked for here in the last few years anyways is we wanna have some sort of formal communications from that person expressing interest. Now, my opinion is, well, we have a couple of different appointments tonight. So the Equity Inclusion Committee hasn't really met yet, so they'll have people. So that piece of it, because it's a newly formed committee, literally anybody that wants to be on that committee that puts a letter forth is being signed up for that committee. Now committees that are already are established like Planning Commission, Planning Commission. Where are you gonna come? The Planning Commission ended things, of course they only have one or two people on that. So it's easier for them to recruit, let's say. I would say that I would expect that that the appointments, at least the committee would know about whoever the appointments are. I don't know anything about this person. It seems like it's a rushed job and somebody just met this person. I don't know. I mean, my opinion would be, why don't we pull off on this individual? Why don't you schedule a time with your committee to invite that person in to take part of the committee or? Well, I mean, we can't just have people just throw names and, you know, I mean, I can all of a sudden say, hey, I know somebody that put the grade on them. Where does your actual letter of interest? That was your requirement, that's what they've done. You have a person here who's interested in serving on a committee that we have been begging people for years, people to get on committees. And now, you know, I don't know whether she's a contender or not, I've encouraged everyone to do that as is Kelly. So I feel like here's obviously a resident in town who we have been, you know, asking them. I think at this point, my point is not that this person shouldn't be allowed on the committee. My point is the informal system that we do have, at least the name is generated from the committee and the committee knows who the, like, like if this person comes to your meeting, it's not like, Kelly can't say, well, we're not gonna have that person on the committee, because that's not right. And that person has just as much rights to the committee as you do. However, I kind of see your point where somebody shouldn't even know who's coming on to be on the committee without anybody knowing about it. How do I know who the skills, what's very interesting, what I know is one and fifth, right? Right. You know yourself. Yeah, you know, yeah. And I don't have any bad information. I don't have any contact with them. I guess, I guess my, what I would like to see anyways is that the, I guess we go this way. So right now, we have asked the community for helpers, right? So a majority of that information comes back to the town office and probably doesn't go with the committee first, right? So I'm guessing maybe what would be best going forward is that the information, if it comes to Kelly or somebody, you know, to then send that name to the chairperson or the committee to say, hey, just want to let you know this person here is interested in, what do you think? And you say yes. And that is what happens with Melissa Harvey and Kelly. And because of Melissa Harvey's expressed interest, Kelly Hill sent me the name and information for Melissa Harvey. And then I contacted Melissa, met with Melissa and Kayla. And so that has been done in the past and that was what was done with our newest was when Melissa Harvey's expressed interest, Kelly sent me the information. I contacted, I met with them and then they came to, they attended the committee and started doing, I got to know, the committee got to know, I introduced them to the rest of the committee and then they put in their letter to me. And I didn't have to know, I didn't really have to send this on. But in the spirit of this anyways, this person here clearly has an interest in the state of that. It's not like somebody had recommended someone's name and that person didn't even have a letter in here or anything like that. So at this point, if this person goes to your committee meeting or not, I mean, it's not like you're gonna be able to say no to the person, right? So, I mean, I think at this point, it's probably best to go forward with the approving of the person to the committee. If you read the letter, yeah, I mean. I'm all for it. But I- You can't even read the letter to me? I can have to probably do it. No, but what I'm saying right now, Ellie, is that this person goes to your committee whatever, when you meet them. All right. I mean, it doesn't matter at this point, right? Because they're gonna go, it's not like you go there and say, no, we're not gonna let you join, right? Exactly. So at this point- Well, what I think, part of Ellie's point is not just that Ellie and many of you can meet them, but having the person go to an initial meeting, there's sort of a mutual agreement of, yes, this is gonna work. Because that person could also, like I'm gonna know her and she's great to love her. She's really, she's just fantastic. She'll add a lot to your committee. But what if, you know, what if she just happened to be somebody who thought, oh, this is a good idea. I'm pretty diggin' it. And then by Friday, they decided it's not gonna be the point of it. You know, so I can see there's sort of this mutual agreement of we both come up with this meeting. We agree this, you know, this is a good fit. So let's move forward and have your point. Many hands on. Yeah, maybe she, did she try it back? She didn't say no, why did they work with you? Well, I know we've spent, maybe we ought to make the phone list this time. I know. Because I know why they're in it. And I think this is recorded enough for them over the time, and I think a majority of the people that have come through here in the past, someone from that committee that night usually is in attendance and they say that they'd like to add someone's name to the committee. And then we usually ask that we get a letter, you know, interest, and then we say yes, or in some cases we say, we didn't get one, so we need one before we can make that motion. So I mean, should we go forward, or should we have some sort of more? You want to mandate that they go to a meeting instead of suggest that they attend the meeting first. You want to make sure that they definitely have a kind of meeting. So it doesn't be a change after we've done this, like I need to make sure. Well, I just, that they should be interacting with the chair or the committee members. You know, maybe it's not attended full meeting, but you know, so like what Ellie was saying about the previous person, right, they reached out to Kelly, Kelly forwards it to the chair, whoever that is, and then he goes from there, and the chair says, yeah, let's put you into this, like we're meeting minutes, or agenda, and do the process from there. Just not necessarily forcing the meetings, if it's a group that only meets once a month, yeah, then they're waiting two full months, or a month. Well, that's a good case. Yeah, well, that's a good case. Maltry, every committee, except for you guys, meets once a month. And when Kelly forwarded the name, although it's a horror to me, I arranged to meet with her. I met with them, Melissa and Hill, at the Casino, at the end of June, and we talked about what the committee does, what we've done in the past, what it goes, whatever, we met. And they had an idea whether they really wanted to be on this video. She might not want to be now. Oh my God. I think that we should have a little more of a, not necessarily formally written in blood, structure. Sort of something. But I think that just the spirit of making sure that committee members are, I don't know if they can have a little bit. Yeah. To have a full disclosure of what the committee is about and what they're involved in is, I think it's a better step to do that first. Before, I mean, we can appoint somebody and they can resign tomorrow. Right. It can happen. Absolutely. But I think to go through the process, we can appoint the person but in the future, we'll have a little more of a, a way in for them to. Yeah. On the Kelly draft of the process. We'll get to you guys. We'll figure out. Yeah. We still don't manage very often. This is all known. Right. You'll go last or second on last? Either way. Why don't we have the committee that's going to recommend who's going to be on the board. So that way, they've already gone to the meeting and some question committee should be able to recommend whether it goes on twice. Does that sound reasonable? I just didn't know what you wanted. Yeah. Dave? I think it would be great. You want to have a, I recall the scope of what your committee does or a vision or. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I did. I think it's available to the person. Yes. That's not. I'm not saying this person has to meet you. No. This person may need to see something right. Yeah. I mean, that's the committee. You got to make one? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. They put a letter of intent. That's enough for me. Yeah. We did the. We made the point. Exactly. When, I don't agree. When we made, did the letter that we stuck in all the tasks that got stuck in all the items in the tax bills. So when they got stuck in the tax bills, it did say, because we'd had this conversation on team time, we didn't do a little word about every committee that we were looking for people for that had come from, you know, town. We've had years of trying to get people. Exactly. Adding more requirements. You're going to reduce the number of people that are interested. You're going to say, I mean, I'm sorry. A lot of, especially, God forbid you're saying it, but the whole time, why are you going, hey, I'm willing to go out here, don't jack me up. Yeah. Yeah. Also, I would like to add to that, if they're not willing to talk to the committee leader, then they probably should think about, you know, maybe what kind of commitment are you actually going to get out of them? I mean, that's what I was thinking. This isn't that nobody was just to clarify, because Jason brings up a good point. This isn't a clarify. This person didn't want to meet with anyone. This person wasn't told they had to. Right. Because we just suggest that everybody go and put the letter in, just that we've been so desperate to volunteer. So there certainly can create a process moving forward. And I'm happy to do that. It just wasn't the case. That was just not, we didn't want this to be told. And I think both sides of it, because we have the one part that really, if you are an able-bodied individual and the town is not the one who wants to be on a committee, then you have strengths to be on a committee. Right. I mean, I couldn't see if the committee already has 12 people on it, and we're already saying, well, we've got too many people, maybe that person may want to look for a different committee type of deal. Right. But I do see the end where, at least the committee should know that there is an individual that's interested rather than, because the way this life is, these committees are doing work of the select committee, and we're not really dictating to them what they're doing. So in a way, if we just kind of skip that process, when we start just let people go to the committee, then you're gonna feel like we're stepping on which is not the point, the committee, like you know what I mean? Yeah. So you're saying- The point's well taken where there are some people that will say, hey, I'm gonna volunteer, but I don't wanna go through all this stuff. Yeah. All this stuff and you're gonna lose me. Maybe this is a, you know, when we do have somebody come in that puts in a letter of interest and we pass on a loan to the committee chair just so they know they have an end to it. Does that work better? Yeah. There's a copy of the letter, I'll read it for you and I'll point it to you. Yeah. I mean, this came as a big thing. So when we're going forward, if we get somebody that is interested, especially with a letter, that one copy goes to whoever the committee head is and the other copy, you know, isn't the only one that's- Yeah, so- And you'll know that they work with this person on the agenda. So where are you saying- So now you guys said two different things. You're either moving forward or you want the committee to nominate the person to the board or do you just want the committee to be notified that you're appointing someone? So Sophie, you've said two different things here. I think that's a great answer. The flaw in this is, you know, my mom says this wouldn't happen but the flaw with the idea of the committee, only the committee can put forward people to the select board. The issue there is, let's say, Ellie stacks the rep committee with all of the cronies and Moe's super into basketball, but Ellie and her crew aren't. Right. And they keep Moe off the team because he's into basketball. Exactly. They couldn't- And watch back, Moe. Yeah. That's a bad thing about basketball, right? No, but I think in this case if we get the appointee, at least that committee is- I mean, I think- Yeah, you just don't want to do it. Exclusively they're right to say if somebody- Right. Committees. It's actually not there. It's the select board. So it's what they've said, right? It's the select board. And I think it's actually good that we're having this conversation because of putting people on because it's better than having a conversation that we can't get in, right? Yeah, right. Yeah. We're going to have a run on who's next. Yeah. Right. They think it's a start. The last question that we were studying with this last time, very fully with the past, do you want to be honest? I said, sure, I will. They said, well, send a letter in. This is- Everybody knows me? I'm not going to send a letter in. So it's good that we have this. That's a big point about this. Yeah. I'm sure you need to get a letter. I do believe that it is the select board's- It is within the select board's purview to drive what any committee is working on because you can delegate at any time any topic that you want to a committee. In fact, you have done that for the recreation committee. At one point in the past, you said you need to take a plan, a master plan, and work on it. And so I agree. I think that Lindley makes a really good point. And obviously, I completely agree with Dave that we don't want to make this poops of fire, I think, as long as the chair of the committee is notified and they get the same letter to the select board. It doesn't work out. It doesn't work out. And you get a letter of interest. Yeah. And you get a letter of interest. The committee gets it. But we don't wait on approval from the committee because I don't want to be waiting on planning commission people, for example. And the select board chooses who points to push your agenda, not the agenda of the committees. So I agree with Dave and Lindley and Mo on this that you notify them and the person shows up and they don't like it or they're not gonna be a good fit. Then they say they can write a letter of resignation and then they say, but try this committee because this might be a better fit for you. We are suggesting that everybody goes to a meeting first to just see where they're gonna, and that's funny. I'm preaching that to Mom. Try this one. If you're not here, we want you here, you know what I'm saying? Now he's torn between three committees. Yeah, that's right. Now Lindley's like a select board of planning commission. Yeah, yeah. So do we, we have a motion to approve this individual for recreation committee and I guess going forward, we're gonna so make sure that all parties are involved. Yeah. So move. Second. Okay. All in favor? All right. And may I have time for some information? Sure, I'll have a kind of send you the letter. Oh, my God. Tomorrow. And I'm sorry, I'm sorry that she hadn't forwarded to you. I'm sure it was overslaving. Thank you. I thank you for not, for talking about this, so I won't be surprised and shocked. Thank you. Move, move, move. Remember that board meeting when we left the lake where we literally slid all the way? All, maybe it's pretty graphic. They're like. My boots are like, I was just sliding all the way. It was bad. It was bad. What's going on? What's going on? I remember, I was always so lucky. Don't go back. Yeah. Discussion regards to potential contract offer for the track control or other solutions. Yeah. So we had just been talking, it's like we were even talking about that. And I finally, I had told you that I'd reached out to the Vermont State Police. And so she had, so Lieutenant Barbara Kessler had sent. Really, she said it's really not to exceed contract. And obviously, she said the hourly rate change is at the beginning of the contract. So that's the way. Have you heard anything from relative of that proposal? No, I haven't. So I just wanted to give you this one just so you could see that what the state police are proposing right now is it's $75.69 an hour. So for us, if I included the police budget, existing police. And so basically, if we took the existing current budget amount at 11 hours a week, it would give us 11 hours a week at $75.69 an hour. What Lieutenant Kessler did say is you only pay for what they actually work. So if they didn't work the 11 hours. Obviously, I expect that you would see an increase in your traffic ticket revenue, which I think was like 2,500. So I assume you've seen an increase with that. If the state police stopped somebody, they would pay the money not to pay them. But if they were to trust that you would get out of there. I was just curious. Yeah, but again, that's just, it was just one of the options that you've talked about. And so I just received the information. So I wanted you to see that was the state police. The one thing I was thinking of is like, currently, even though they're not contracting to us, they do spend time in the town. Absolutely, yeah. I know. Hard to quantify what they are actually doing for us now but that's six hours a week or 10 hours a week. Like, I'm sighting them and sitting in the town for the first couple of days and they're not in the room tonight. And the thing too is that they're, obviously, this is full service. This isn't just what they do now, you know. They're doing animal service and all that? Yes. Yeah. It's a full service contract. But you have to get on to the classy roads and check speeding up in the air. Yeah, they do everything. Yeah, they do pull on, if you hire them, we're hiring them to do a contract with. Okay, because I was curious about that one week. Yeah. You know what I mean? Before we just sort of stay on the count. Yeah. No, not they do. The one thing I just, She used to be in that whole service. Although I think it's like, She's doing it right now. But the only thing I just wonder is like, you know, they would bill us for 11 hours, right? And we're, right now let's say they're probably doing three or four a week for free. Well, you know what I mean? I don't know. Obviously, they drive through here. I don't even know I could ask them about that. Okay, so. You're doing the practice talks. Yeah. That was one, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. I don't know. They sit out like the fire department, but that's, they hire them. Yeah. They sit on each side of the town. Yeah. They don't do village. They hire the authorities. Well, I won't say they don't do it because I think they want to pull over at the top of Pleasant Street there last week. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I don't think they sort of need to pull somebody over the village any time they want to. Jason. I noticed Randolph has a sheriff department doing their tail. I didn't know maybe there was a better deal. Yeah. Yeah. We've been looking at different options of, well, one that they're having as a constable to pick up with a constable out of an RV and use now. Another one is because they're a constable that's just working full-time over at Burlton. Either Burlton coming in doing some patrolling here and then the other thing we had was Vermont State Police, what they could offer. And the county sheriff is kind of similar to like Orange County to Amina, where's the county here type of deal. So yeah, we're just getting the pricing with the contracts. Yeah, it's trying to figure out which direction they're going to own. But as you can see, it's very expensive for the Vermont State Police. Yeah. And right now we're getting some sort of benefit for, you know. I noticed I had a car pulled over in the Burlton and it was a furser. Yeah. And metal. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Your name's Dave Burlton. I used to be constable here in Burlton for seven years. When I was Christ, well, the state police told me if you track the speed limit there and below, they will not issue a ticket. The federal, because the state judges considered it as a safe speed limit and they will not under 30 miles per hour. What? I don't know about that, I don't know about that. Oh, that's interesting. I don't know about that. Well, they would state police, well, back when I was a constable, would not touch an animal. If an animal is hit by a car, how they're going to hear, I mean, if the best available is hit by a car, they have to call a constable to come and dispose of it. Yeah, that's true. So this would be in lieu of having a constable, the DSP would take over the contract and in the case they wouldn't do animal control, like dog. They're asking the people. No, she's not accepting what I asked. But that was like, because obviously if I had to do animal control, officer, I was asking the same thing, if I wouldn't do it. So, but as far as the $25 amount is asked, obviously it takes, if the town has used a speed study that says that the town, that the speed limit is 25, then I would assume the DSP would be able to, I mean, the judge can't oversee that. But I don't know, I'd have to ask her. That's new information to me. I've never heard it. But it's interesting. Yeah, I don't know. That's interesting. The number two should be anyways. All right, so it's good to know me, but never this, I'll ask her. Do I want her to thank you? Yeah, it seems pretty, but I'll ask her. I think the courts wouldn't say that 30 miles an hour, but it's posted at 25, it's safe for schools. That's interesting. So I would certainly ask. So thanks for bringing that up. Well, I would say, you know, in the history of the speed that we do get, I mean, they're going at 60 plus in front of the school, you know. Pretty easy to get them there. Well, they're doing that on a classy road still. Yeah. So we'll continue to collect the information on that and, you know, budget time before we have to figure out which direction we're going to go with that. Can we talk about any trust on, I know maybe three hours. So our offer is, it hasn't been given, I've said it won't just have to. Is it worth sitting down with that individual? He hasn't put it down. I told him that we can have engagement sit down with them. And he hasn't done that as well. I'll say it's worth sitting down with that individual. If they're interested, yeah, I'm going to ask all of you guys to come. Give them a little bit of an explanation. Good night. Thank you. Hello, nice meeting with them and seeing if it's worth it. I thought I'd be scared to do so, but I have been in some sort of comparison of all the different questions. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. We don't even have an option. Just like you said, you know, some of those options where they might do speed enforcement, things like that, but they may not be the end of the control. I can ask them all. So then at that point you need to have to find someone who can get them in control or build a way of appointing someone on the town and do it like that. No, that's true. Yeah, we have to get them in control. Mo's got a lot of time in his hands now, so. No, I can get you over here. I'll be right over here. I'll catch you in a minute. Yeah, I'll get the hat off. I'll get the information that I got. Okay. All right, we did. Where's that one? Practition for use of public railway, okay. For a varied area of utility lines is the first one. They have any questions, comments, changes on that? Where is that? Where is that? Is there a particular incident to this? Yeah, I mean I already have one. I used it on somebody on Gilead because the house they wanted to put power on and around. Okay. But especially when you have, if power line, companies come to town, and that happens is when people, come in they want to put in new poles or things on the back roads, you want to make sure that they're, so many people on the road, they're going to vary, that you want them to mark and do stuff. So, I mean I already used it this long because that doesn't have anything, so I used it at their company because, and they need to make sure that they put it in the right spot and then, but it was weird. So it's, it's, it's something that you need to have, because when GMP comes to town and wants to upgrade lines and do stuff, you want to make sure, you know what I mean? They did that a few years ago, it came in and crossed the road. When they did the poles? Yeah. No, they just let us know that they were going to be doing it. I don't think they have to get permission. They aren't going to have time for that. Yeah. They just come and they don't have time to do it. But if there's a problem on poles on one side of the street, house on the other, they want a dog and they want to do something different. So we do have occasions for it to happen. I see that you're going to do that on Christian Hill that changes the poles a little bit. Yeah. So, but as far as we need to try the homeowners, I mean, you certainly want to make sure. So I gave this to someone and had them take care of it. So I think that we had, I know we were charged 125 bucks for permit to work in the towns right away. So I would assume that we would do the same thing for this one, is make a 125 bucks. But you want to make sure you've seen it and you know what's done right. Well, it's going to be at least that if you're having a road form and going to look at it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Just like in the curb area. Yeah. Is that the deposit of 250 or is that a separate pass? Oh wait, maybe we have. Yeah, so the deposit of 250 will be refunded upon inspection of the work except would you want some of that to not be refunded? Yeah. That's the credit card for the work. Which paragraph? Which one are you looking at? Oh, I'm looking at this one. I'm talking about the use of the public right away for very, this is a different one. This is just working in the towns right away after two different applications. I'm sorry. I was like, I don't even want to see that. So I think, and I'm going to say that the permit is paid for 125. Yeah. It's a permit fee of 125 dollars on the very aerial utility lines. So that was one I was looking at first. I apologize. And then the second, these are two different permits. Okay. I don't know if anyone has any questions or concerns about the very aerial utility lines. That was a supply room cable. A piece of fiber. The visual process over here in the right is. Right. Which I think it's private property now and obviously if they've been to the PSP and then you can't, you know, it depends on what they've been able to. They've already been to the public services. Well, then we're going to have to go up and give the actual, then 25% of them. Yeah. Yeah, depending where they're going at would be the states right in the town. That's a state highway, a portion of that, right? So I don't know. Yeah, okay. So this is really, like I said, that was my example was the one I came up with. I mean, Kelly, excuse me. All right, perfect. Can we get a quick cut for more show? I don't know. I'd have to ask if you'd have to email Kelly or, I wouldn't, and then she would be able to email me. They're going to drive away. A new driver. A new driver. Like I said, I don't know. We'd have to ask Kelly. She would have got a permit and give a deli road forming on it. So it's a possibility. You just want to be careful, could we? One after one, one resident, pretty good about that. Yeah, I'll ask Kelly. So it's Morse road? Yeah. So are we okay with you moving forward with the motion to approve this permit? Just because I don't know. What's going to be a TCD? It's a manual, a uniform, a traffic control. So if you have to put a black person in the road or the signage that you're going to use. It's a manual, like, what this says? Yes, national, maybe. Yeah. You should read it sometime. Yeah, I wrote a section. Oh, I don't know how to get to these. When you work for the state, you get a job on the state of New York. Is it almost $125,000 a job? Yeah. $200,000 for the signage. Oh, sure. Yeah. I get it. Yeah. That's what it's all about. So did someone have a question? Because nobody made a motion. So did someone have a question about that one? Anything for the comments in regards to this? The bearing or the utility line? Just the first one. Yeah, just the first one. The bearing. The first one. That's for the motion. Yeah. Then it could be for the utility. Second. Okay, on the favor? All right. That's just for bearing and area. Yeah? Yeah. And then the other one. That's just for. So we're approving the permit application to the public right away for bearing. Bearing and area and utility. All right. The next one is the next one. It's the permit to work within the town's right away. So the way, yeah, this is for work, which we talked about, this goes in conjunction with the Highway Access Policy that we guys approved a while ago, because we do talk about in there that they have to get approval from the town. And so what we've talked about or what thought it here was, we could make them pay a deposit and then they, we could refund the deposit to them once, you know, the road foreman looks at it and then decides that it's, you know, that the work has been done right. Because they're paying to do the work. So if you don't want to penalize them, but in a way you want to hang on to something so that maybe they want their 250 back, you have some bargaining to make sure that it, the work is done properly. That's just the. Right, giving them back a deposit that may spread over hours. The road foreman's got to be going and looking at the project going back and being taken on that. We're really into the budget of the Highway Project. Then I would suggest in that case maybe dropping it to just $125 fee because they're already doing the work. You know, it just was, just I've seen it done this way before, but it every time is different. So then in this case I would say just negative a lot fee. That would be more clear for me than refunding money. Okay. If you may have to go out there a few times. Yep. So then we'll just say it's as a deposit of 250, we'll say a fee of, or I'll reword the wording because that way we don't have to update the money that you're trying to change the fee, but I'll just make it $125. Can you act with that last paragraph that the budget will be refunded? Yep. Exactly. I have a motion to approve the permit to work within the town's right away as amended. So move. Okay, all in favor? The only change on that list is going from a 250 deposit to like $125 flat fee. So did we have two motions or just one? Two. The first was Paul Lindley. The second was Mo Hall. Okay. The first was for the permit application and the second was for the public right away, very utility-minded stuff. For the first one, yeah, and then the second one was for the work in the town's right away. Okay. I can, yeah. Okay, thank you. Yeah. Okay, discussion regarding accepting post-marital tax and utility bills. All right, I had to bring this because each of you said, this is $0.70 right here. So what happens is the town of Bethel accepts post-mariers. And so what happens is if, we'll just use an example. We'll say, I pay my taxes, I pay a line on it. It's time through post-marier. So we say it's on time. But because service doesn't pay its taxes, it comes in the next day. Even though mine is gonna show up for three days because I have a post-marier, the office is gonna get the interest and the penalty possibly depending on how many years it is, but I'm not gonna get anything. So we always assess as soon as the taxes are due, the next day, you charge interest. So then this time, DTRI had to reverse 76 interest charges. And this took forever. So what happens when people get upset because they might say, well, somebody mailed their payment and we're charging them, but somebody who's, you know, not charge them because they mailed it, but somebody who comes in the office is getting charged. So basically where I had asked about this at a prior select board meeting a couple of years ago and they couldn't get anywhere. So we also do this because you accept post-marx on taxes, you also accept post-marx on utility bills. So we in the office are okay if you wanna continue to accept post-marx because that would probably be hard for battle residents to have a change where you didn't accept post-marx because you've done it for so long. But we would like to see as you at least wave then give everybody a three to the four day grace period because what we have refunded in interest here is piddly. But yet we have paid somebody an hourly wage to do this for, you know, this could take a full day to redo all these. So you're kind of penny-wise a pound foolish as the old saying goes. So that's renews there that is for what exactly? So taxes were due on September 15th. So on September 16th, we charge interest because we have to. On everything that's not closed. On everything that has not been accepted as of September 15th. Taxes were due September 15th. So September 16th, we charge interest to everybody because that's what we have to do. Because otherwise, if you waited four days, then everybody who, because that's not the rule law right now, we accept post-marx. So if somebody walks in on the 16th, we charge them 1% interest because they're coming in late. But if they walked in and they wouldn't have had a chance to post-marx anyway. Right, exactly. So what happens is on- So they would get paid with interest? Right, so what happens is September 16th, we charge interest and then we get 76 post-marx envelopes. So then DTRI spends God knows how many hours reversing all these piddly charges for interest that amount to $211.76. I can't believe we paid her more to do it than we just reverse in interest. So why do we have to assess the interest so on the 16th? Because the voters vote that you accept post-marx. But that doesn't mean it doesn't automatically accept the walk. Automatically exempt the walk-ins the next day. So what would be so difficult instead of having DTRIs sitting down on the 16th and charging interest and sitting down on the 21st and charging interest? Because right now we can't. We don't have the legal authority to do that. Because the voters voted at some point in their history that you accept post-marx. They didn't. So you just, at the 21st, the post-marx won't be in it. Right. So they didn't come over here. But that didn't come in, didn't have a post-marx, or didn't arrive by the 15th, then it's interest. And that's what we've been doing. We've been, we charge on the 16th. But that's not what's going to happen. Yeah, but why don't you just charge on the 16th? And it's not a post-marx. It's not defective on the 16th. And it's not a post-marx. That's what we, OK, hang on, one at a time. So what you're saying is you're saying, don't charge interest until the 20th. And then I can't go back and charge it. So you're saying on the 20th, charge interest to anybody who hasn't paid. Is that what you're saying? Not exactly. OK, tell us again, please. So at a post-marx, you're not going to charge an interest. On the 20th, you're still not going to charge an interest. I mean, you're giving back. So you wouldn't charge it on the 20th. But I don't know who has. So what's, is there a statute that says that on the 16th you have to charge everybody interested and it's not paid? Yes, that's right. Because you voted on it at town meeting, that you accept post-marx. You didn't also say we accept post-marx and we give a four-day grace period. So because of that, the statute is clear. If you, like, for example, Bristol, we didn't charge post-marx. So the cops empty the mailbox at midnight. And if you had to pay every, you've got an interest penalty. It was clear as much. But with this, it's a little bit, you know, it was clear because that was at midnight you were shut off. But here, that's what we're saying is all we want to be able to do on town meeting day is have the voter's vote. That you still accept post-marx but you also give a four-day grace period on, or something. Because you don't accept, let the voters decide. You don't accept post-marx anymore. And so it's clear everybody's late as late or give everybody a four-day grace period. What is basically what you're doing by accepting post-marx? Why can't you... Right now, so on the 15th, this is the deadline. Anything that happens on the 16th or later, that's not post-marx. I understand that we have to charge the interest and the penalties and things like that. But what... Because on the 16th, you're going to have one or two things. You're going to have four or three things. You're going to have the people I've already paid. People that have post-marx on time that's in the mail that hasn't shown up. Yeah. And then you have all the others, right? Right. That haven't paid yet. So if I'm one of those people that haven't paid yet, that's not post-marx, and I walk into the ten-office to pay, then it charges me interest. I do. But why do you have to charge interest to be at a post-marx that I don't think you have? Because... Aren't you just full-off on this? How would I have... How would I know if it was mail or... Yeah, you don't know if it was mail or post-marx. I don't know if it was mail. I mean... You can't go backwards. I have to... It's a one-and-done... But if someone post-marx that thing on the 15th, I mean... We didn't get it. We didn't get it. We didn't get it. You know what I'm saying is why do you have to go through the very next day and assess penalties? More interest? I understand that the penalties would start accruing it on the 16th, but why do you have to go and actually print them and say, you owe us money? Why can't you hold off on that for a few days? Like they say. Why can't you hold off like a week to do that? Because what I'm saying is we don't have the authority, the voters. Yeah, it's not that you're still going to assess them on the penalties. But then what you've got to know what's going to happen is if... So it's the word you're going to... So basically, if you walk in the door, so basically all we wanted was to deal with post-marx. Because what we're saying is because we do what we do, which is charge it the way we're supposed to the next day. Because then what happens is you come in and pay the next day and we charge your interest. So then basically what happens then is you come in, I charge you 1% interest. And you pay the 1% interest. It hasn't been charged. So now you have an overpayment on your account. So when we go in four or five days later to charge you interest, there's still adjustments that have to be made because now you have a pre-payment. Part of it is the software. It's a little bit tricky to go in either way. We would be doing adjustments. But kind of as far as fairness goes, we were looking at it as the aspect of is it fair that these 76 people got four more days than you did to pay your taxes? No, we didn't. No, but you paid it the same day. It would have been a tiny check for all you know. I might not think that. I'm just like... The post-marx, I mean, there's probably people locally that post-marx are stuff too. But that's really for, you know, you're living in Florida, you're sending your name in the mail. Because you don't know in the Postal Service. Right, and this is hard because they think that's a problem. I just don't know why can't we hold off. Like I know that it's going to start accruing on the 16th. But why can't we hold off on making the adjustments internally until we have received the post-marx. Or something. You know what I mean? Yes, I understand what you're saying. But I still think it's going to create... We'll try. It's going to create... In the 16th, 17th, 18th, you're going to charge. Well, we have time again before another morning. So we can try it, but I think what happens is I think it still moves up in memory because I think it posts your interest as a prepayment and I think we would still have to go back in and make adjustments to some people so I'll have to see Chris. I agree that. I think we all agree that that is a wasted time. 211. But I think there's a way in that system to... You're locked in by the software that you're using. It's either all or none. It's going to charge it on the 16th or it's going to charge it on the 20th. But then you don't run into it. But you could also run into it because the voters have already approved the postage. I mean, you could set a date on the 20th that you're going to lock that in, right? But you may have something that comes in the 22nd that was posted before credit, you know? They all lost their mail. Yeah, we'll honor it. Yeah, we'll honor it if it shows up 30 days late because it's postmarked. But it just creates...this is just taxes. This isn't water and utility. So it's just an ongoing issue, but I'm sorry. It's definitely a waste of time. You had numbers. How many... You had 76 that you had to refund. In September, yeah. So what's the other number that you didn't have to refund? So it was a total number of interest charges. I guess if you have to take a guess from it, right? If you had...I don't know how many people were late at the time. I'm just saying... 76 that you had to refund and there's only three people who charged interest. What the hell? But if there's 76 that you had to refund and there were 197 that had interest... Because it's $211 and you know we paid her more than that to do it. It just becomes tricky because we also, you know, we're also sending out... The letter of challenge. You try to... Everybody's a little different. Sometimes you don't accept postmarks and then life's easy, frankly, because they don't accept postmarks. It's easy to game over. But if you accept postmarks, I do think there's some town they give... They do give. Sometimes they give people a race period. And you have to pay your tax dollars for the first shot you had. There are towns that should have... And that's true. You know, I'm just factoring that because then everybody pays that for that. So it kind of tends... If this goes on in the morning, this is probably going to take us an hour and a half. Apparently. This will be the last thing before lunch. What can be done in the morning? Well, the other... It has to go in front of the motor. It has to go as well. I mean, how does this life board feel about just not accepting postmarks anymore? You can put that on the morning. Do the voters vote to no longer accept postmarks? Then it's like they're either going to say yes or no, either... I mean, I understand the postmark thing because if you are a distance away... I'm just going to use the examples. I watched something about this person in Florida that won money on a scratch ticket and I don't know if anybody heard that, they won like $1,000. But because it was over a certain threshold and then COVID hit, they couldn't bring it to the regional office to cash in that $1,000. So they had to put it in the mail and then somehow it lost the mail and then they kind of got there and voted the time that they had to do it so they didn't get $2,000. All right. So we'll figure it out. We're going to come on because I can't handle it anymore. Is this a table? We can do the same thing because, no, actually, November. So we'll know in November. Is there anything that never people can do? Oh, definitely. I mean, it definitely has a waste of time. I'm going to name one of that. I'm going to take answers. Do you know how many people I would make a man who charges 10% to 9% penalty of 1% interest and their neighbor is mail-checking but they are paying and they're mad because they didn't think to go. I remember last year you were paving in front of the... Oh, tell me about it. I'm not going to put a notice in the newspaper just so you know because of COVID, we are going to ask that people mail in the majority of people mail in their tax payments in November because we can only have one person in the office at a time so that they can kind of see people that feel a little confused but now that they have a new tax bill it shouldn't be that difficult. But we are going to remind people about when taxes are due and ask them to mail in and if they want to receive mail to them and all that. It does make it because of COVID Can they still try to mail in? Absolutely, yes. Obviously, the state is concerned because there's going to be an uptick because windows are going to be closed and things are going to be... What about online payments? Have you looked into that? Over the years, yes but nobody wants to pay a 3% convenience fee on top of what their taxes already are. So there's very little buy-in on that. I can't even buy it last year twice. You can cost me anything. Yeah. You can. Well, you can. If you want to use your bill pay or something like that, of course but for the people who want to like want points on their credit card they got to pay a 3%. But there's no fee. If you want to do on your bill pay there's no fee, which you could do but this is where people want to run credit cards. You're going to watch on your phone. It is. You're going to watch on your phones but just because you're seeing them come out doesn't mean we got it that way. So we'll take a look at this on November and we'll have better data for you on November. How's that? Sure. I think that'd be good to go over any town managers before. Can I get that out of here? Next online is something about speed study in the third row? Yeah. That's under others? I think you can do it. Okay. So right now I updated you on the railroad is in here about just trying to get the just trying to get the graffiti cleaned up. It was the first garage was about $4,000 to $5,000 in fees from the railroad but with Trini Versailles assistance at the State of Vermont we might get it done for free. It's not about the timetable but she gave us the paperwork to fill out the back to her. This is for under the Church Street Bridge and it's been on our pending list for a while but it's crazy because they wanted us to have to pay an absorbent amount of four to five in grand to go in there and to get by the time you pay specific flagging fees, the road crew had to take classes and it was crazy. Amazing what the artist didn't have to do. We're kind of who it hasn't been Just leave a chance down there and show them in there I know, but it's quite the thing and then obviously it already came out but we've rehired Dave Bergeron for the winter and it's due to the fact when he already went over so that was really the only thing about on the town managers report was the railroad I just want you to know how absorbent the prices were for them. It's crazy. Is there any questions in regards to this report that we currently have out there? Yeah, speed study on the dirt roads Yeah, I don't know this was on the list a while before I got here and I don't know We've done this before We found a flat shoe crew going by my house, 50, 60 miles an hour Must be downhill Okay I'll talk Sometimes I've had 10,000 battles a year from now Well, I know we had this speed study because we did a couple last last I see some guy driving around the other day that had something What was it, Jared, on the side of this car? Traffic survey? He was up there Sure, because he was an older guy and he was driving so slow and he was stopping Two rivers they're doing a culvert and that stuff for us So this was on the list and I didn't know where you wanted to do this or why, the only reason a lot of times you're going to do a speed study is if you think you're going to lower the speed on it We do a couple and we did a sand hill and we did a sand hill and we did a sand hill I think that happened years ago So, why? Well, one, there were speed limit signs that were missing up there and then some of the speed up there was higher When you press the button it goes shhh I wonder if if somebody turned them off because of COVID Oh, okay and take a swirler and they like they have water and water and you can see that I'll have to do what they should and they'll remind me Yeah, it's not Yeah I've heard about the windmills Yeah, look at what you're doing I'm going to try to be very careful with the windmills so I'm going to try to