 excited. Just want to start off by saying how excited we are right now, um, about the all season thus far and really the preparation and all the work that's gone into getting ready for Thursday and this weekend. And there's a lot of people involved in it. It starts with the personnel department led by Kyle Smith, but it really takes the entire building. And so so many people, a lot of sacrifices, and we're just very appreciative of all the work, uh, the support from the organization, um, Mr. Blank, uh, so thankful for him and any resource that we need to put together the best team possible. We have it. So, um, very excited, appreciative and ready to go make this team better picture. Yeah, I'll get ready. Um, what, uh, you know, um, a lot of buzz about if the best player available as a running back to the falcons take what will be the approach at number eight for you off? So we talked about best player available a lot, right? And I think what gets lost is really a few things with that. When you talk about best player available, there's not a the draft board. I think we're supposed to bring it in, but somebody wants to, but so the draft board isn't just one line of players and you're taking who else the person that's on the top of it, right? So players are in categories. So generally, when you're on the clock, you have players in a category and but there's multiple positions can be in that particular category. When we say best play available, the key is don't reach for need. If you have players up in this category, don't reach down and take a lesser player at a position of need because number one, we're not again, we're not drafting just for today or tomorrow. We're not prisoners. The moment we're drafting for you're gonna have these players under contract for the next four to five years. So and your needs change day to day. You know, so we want to make sure that we're thinking long term in big picture and it's always we're not prisoners of the moment in that sense. So when we say best player available, the other thing is it's our board, right? Every board you probably look at 32 different boards and they're all different. And on TV, you have certain boards, but they don't have all the information in terms of they're not sitting in the medical meetings or the background meetings are. So it's when we say best player available, we're talking about thinking long term and not reaching for an ease and just making the total team better. Is it fair to say in language terms that's I'd rather have the best player at expedition versus the second or third best player at why position where we draft. We're also not great on the curve. You want to impact player, you know, so if you say, Hey, this player is going to be an impact player. And at this other position, this player is going to be a depth player. You know, I think that's what we're talking about. If you have impact players at either one of these positions, then yes, you can say, Okay, we want this premium position, or we have a clear look. We talked about positionless football. Hey, the head coach or the coaches have a clear vision for this player and how we're going to use them. So let's get out of the position mindset. But at the end of the day, we want to make sure we're taking impact players and making the total team better. We're not gonna, you know, one thing that we talked about when we get in this form in this setting, we never want to, we never really want anyone to be able to read this transcript and get any kind of tip on what we're going to do. So and and it's and the reason I say that is because it's a you're kind of asking, Hey, how many first round grades? And so people probably have a point to where if you're because we're open to trading up or open to trading back. So if I give you a number, then you know that, Hey, they're not going to trade past this point. So we wouldn't say that we wouldn't go there and give you that information. There's been impact players everywhere, Mike, I mean, sorry about that. No answer. They said, is there, you know, there's more this year than maybe last year? Where? Where? Where do you look at? And I know I always answer that question the same way in that and I really do believe this. Throughout the draft, it's you can find players anywhere. And I just have a lot of confidence in our staff and our coaches. And I really believe that we're going to find players at at any point in this draft that can that can help this football team. And we have to have a clear vision for exactly how we're going to use them. Because I'll say the difference for us is we are excited about the players who've added thus far and we better make sure that the players we bring in are going to have an opportunity to make the team. And the players here, I know they're working to make sure those guys don't make the team. So it's going to be really competitive as you look at the depth chart and where we are. So I think you can find impact players at any point have a lot of confidence in our staff and the way we operate and the way we work. But it's going to be a challenge for anyone to come in and really compete to find a spot. How many if any, the simulations do you go through the process? And just to dress rehearsal may be the wrong word, but just to get an idea for how I think you got to it, Josh. Yeah, I mean, everybody's got different processes. You know, the scouts go through it. You go through a tear, not talk all the time. And there's so many variables that can happen in front of you. We pick you try to have a good understanding more importantly of who realistically going to be there, especially at eight, you know, ready to make the pick. Again, there who knows what really happened Thursday night. But then you got to be ready also to be able to move as well. And you're okay with moving depending on what you're getting. So we're always constantly going through that. But, you know, we don't put that little jingle on there and everybody act like a team. I know some teams do that where they try to mock the whole thing out or you guys do on your, which is great. But the reality is, you know, we try to game through that. And we're talking all the time about our player X is here. What do you want to do? He may be in our pod. Well, somebody may trade up, somebody may take him unexpectedly or vice versa. So we're always trying to work through that constantly. Talk about who's really going to be there. How do you gather that information? Because starting one other do those are sitting up there trying not to say anything. Also, Terry has been, you know, I got my opinion. I think it's sometimes, which is awesome. But there's so much more coverage on the draft. So there's 5,000 mock drafts and information true or not travels at warp speed now. Right. If there is having a cup of coffee and he may say something, somebody may be sitting next to me, tweets it out that the Falcons are, you know, taking Josh Kindle at the eighth big, you know, and it goes around the world, you know, right. So it's probably harder than, you know, whatever. There's so much information out there. And it's awesome that people are this interested in it. It's a fun time of year. Is it fair to say that when you talk about moving that you've already been in contact with teams, you may want to move up to your spot and certain things fall their way with their looking for particularly certain quarterbacks going as a running, maybe a player, but is it very safe to take those calls? Correct. Correct. We've already and we'll continue to do that over the next couple days. And but we have we've already talked to a few teams after us because we want to be open and we've talked to teams in front of us and we've talked to teams behind us so far. We'll continue to have those conversations because we want to be flexible. Like author said, we game it out and we talk through all the different scenarios. And it's our job just to be prepared for whatever happens. So we talked through all the different ways and but yes, we've had those conversations already and we'll continue to have those conversations. Whether we're talking about in front of us or behind us. To follow up on that, we've had obviously active offseason and the trade, the signings, etc. Does that have any impact on interest in accumulating assets, perhaps in trading down? Just saying because of the players we've signed, we'd rather move down and get more assets. Well, I think one thing it does for us is it depends on that player who the players are that we're looking at and then you weigh that out. So if it's approaching your pick and you have a few players in your clump and then this is the pick that we can get if we move back a couple spots and then you're weighing that out. Do we wait and take this player or do we want this player and something else additional? Like I said, the only effect that with free agency, the only thing that affects where it wasn't like that in the last, we weren't able to be active in free agency in the previous couple years. So I don't want to say it was easier to make our team but it's going to be more, we want the roster to be, it's to be more of a challenge to make the team for anybody because we're raising the talent level of the roster. That said, throughout the draft there's going to be undrafted free agents that are competing to make the team. So it's all about if we have a clear vision for the player and just weighing those things out as they come to us. How is the collective character and makeup component for this group that you all be picking from Thursday to Saturday? Character wise, how do we assess? Yeah, character makeup is important for you all or you're comfortable with that there not people there that's going to be young. Oh man, there's some good young man in this draft. It really good and obviously it's, you know, appreciate the question because that that is really important to us. And if you look at the players that we've signed us for, there's a lot of really good man that we've added. We believe we have really strong character and a really strong foundation and a really strong culture. And we believe we've added to that this offseason. We want to continue to add to it in the draft but there's a lot of really good options in this draft that we're going to be putting in top to bottom. Some really good man. Yeah, you know, it should be exciting and we won't get to coach them all but there's some very impressive, impressive people we've talked to, you know, to talk about the future and the health of our sport. It's inspiring when you go, it's easy to be cynical now. You're going, you know, people can complain about rules or this has changed and you know, you don't get to do five of days like you used to. And so you look around and talk to some of the players coming into this league and very, very impressive. You guys have been open about the importance of character in the past in the pre draft process when you're talking to these prospects. Is that a really big point of emphasis to character component? Yeah, so I mean, you're looking at body of work. You know, I think sometimes Terry and I, you know, in those short meetings, we're going to get usually, I mean, I've seen people eliminate themselves, but to us, we're getting their best foot forward. And so you're just taking everything as it comes and goes and trying to take all the information to make the best decision, collaborate and make the best decision for us. So we understand that too, you know, and it's just human nature when you're, but we want to know the person is, the day to day habits. It's not a perfect, there's no perfect system, there's no perfect test. And so that's why it's really important that every interaction matters. Obviously folks on the first round pick, you know, everyone believes you take these out beside that. But when you look at the rest of the draft unfold, which is more important, I think in a certain sense, because there's other players that we found starting level players and everything else. How much does how the first round shakes out when you talk about knee versus knee? So your board is basically set where it is, right? But I think what it does do is, is you make decisions. Well, you can make a decision to domino effect, right? So wherever you take a player, whoever you take, then you can decide, okay, do we want to move back at this next pick? Do we want to move up? And you look at a particular position and you can say this position is a little thin. And so we need to move up to get a player there and we want to take the best players off the board. So it could affect you. Whatever you do, it's going to affect you moving around, I guess in a sense, because we're never going to be look, we might not make a single trade in this draft or we might make four, you know, we don't see ourselves as a team that's ever going to just sit on our hands. If we see a player that we want, we want to try to figure out a way to get it. So what I've continued to learn is, and I've always said this, but I've really learned more, but I've always said that, hey, we're all creatures of habit and we learned a certain way. So we grew up around certain people and we learned to do things a certain way, and that's what we're used to. And then you get around other people, really smart people from other buildings, and you say, oh, that's what we're going to do. We're going to get people from other buildings and you say, okay, let's adopt our process. This is the Falcons process as opposed to just how we've done. I've always said that, but still in my mind, I was used to doing things a certain way. So when we get ready for the meetings or the way we're going to approach this specific thing, I still go back to that what I've been used to doing, but I think what's best for this group was best for this group of this staff, these coaches, this building, and so I think that's where I've continued to learn and adapt to not be set in your ways and do things a certain way just because you have done, let's do what's best for us and what's best for his team and continue to be open minded and continue to evolve. More to that too, Mike, that's the perfect process, but you know, we're always looking to improve on it, and so if something worked two years ago, we may still use that, you know, we're not going to just change just to sake of changing, but we're always pushing to see if there's things we can do better in this process. It's the same thing when people ask you about, you know, what are your non-negotiables and why give that information away? We certainly don't think we've got all the answers. We're not going to get up here and be that arrogant. I think that's foolish. Certainly there's people that do, but we're just always looking for ways of people we've had and coaches, what have you guys done well, personnel, guys that come from other teams, what's worked, what doesn't, and then we're constantly trying to evolve and push and improve. Has your evaluation of players in the team designed, do you understand what I'm saying? You're always looking at the easy thing to do as a coach is only look short-term. You know, when you're in this job, I think at any job that's a high pressure job, I think sometimes you can make some pretty bad decisions when you're just looking day-to-day to win some kind of narrative. You see it happens. That's why I'm so thankful to work here from the beginning. It's not perfect, but as you're going along, building this thing every day is not a knee-jerk reaction to it. When you make some moves, you're trying to do what's in the best interest of the team long-term. Again, as you're doing this, sometimes you don't want to sacrifice something short-term that's going to be a disaster long-term. We're always looking at that. It's the national football team that's going to get the opportunity to come in here and do this job. You don't want to get to that problem where you ever get desperate and try to win the day-to-day narrative. I know he's sitting right there, but this is true that I would say in most cases it's hard. The head coach is he's on the front line. He's the game. He's got to go out there and do everything he can do to win that game on the front line. It's easy for me or someone in the front office to say, hey, we have to think long-term. We've got to think big picture, and it's probably harder for coaches. You think that it's easier for them to be stuck in the moment, but I'll say it's about Arthur that he does. He's still able to think, go through it and think long-term and think big picture. Even if this can help us right now, he knows long-term this is what's going on. We've got to be safe. We've got to take things into consideration. You feel with all the moves you made this season, the draft has put you closer to being where you want to be as you approach the actual field portion? Statutously, you know what, every year you'd love to have 15 picks. I think that what we're at right now, this is going to be a very competitive I'm excited about that. So that's part of the strategy, too, as you're moving around in the draft. I mean, how many picks do you want future assets? Because we may have some guys on one-year deals, and it's maybe a hard 53 to make. That's a great problem to have. But it's going to make us some forces, make some really tough decisions at the end of camp. And so that's where you're really excited, because you can see that that's what's on deck for us. So there's a lot of stuff. I mean, you get to this time right now. We feel good. We don't feel desperate going into this. We can make some great picks to allow us to take the subjective best player available, so to speak, and allow us to move around. Terry, I remember two years ago, obviously, you were picking several spots higher, but it seemed like you guys had a really good feel of what was going to happen ahead of you last year. Not so much. Where's the, I guess, uncertainty level now of what could happen, basically 1 through 7? I would say, in my opinion, this is the most uncertain it's been, in my opinion. Because you really just don't know. And we do. We sit there. We try to game it out and think about what we would expect or what we would anticipate. But there's just too many things. There's a lot of things that you can't predict. You don't really know what another team is thinking, regardless of what's out there. You don't really know what another team's thinking. You don't know when someone's going to trade up and how that affects other things. If someone's going to trade up and someone's going to trade back. So it is difficult. But what we just have to do is make sure we really talk through as many different scenarios as we can. So we're comfortable and ready to make a move when we need to. But what we're excited about is, again, whether we're moving up, moving down, or staying at 8, we're going to get a really good player that's going to make an impact for us. So with talking through the scenarios, with so much uncertainty, and not knowing what's going to happen in front of you, how much of that work on making a trade is done before Thursday or Friday or Saturday? And how much is done in the moment when either you guys see something you like, or another team sees something they like, and the phone number pops up that you might not have expected? How much of that groundwork is already laid? How much can't happen until the moment? Yeah, when you're picking where we are, you've had those conversations in general. I'd be surprised if the phone would ring and there'd be someone that you haven't talked to yet. When you're picking in the top 10, usually you've had those conversations and gone all the way down to, OK, this is what it would be. And you agree to the framework, if this happens, if this player is there, this is what we would do. And so you have those conversations. Now when you're in the third round, that's when you get a lot of those calls on the clock that you weren't prepared for, that you don't know, and then that's more so. But when you're picking where we are, a lot of those conversations have been had. I think it was February 28th when the roster move was made with Muriota and you were asked about the impact on the quarterback death chart. You said, we're not in the business of anointing players. We're anointing starters. But it wasn't long after that that you're newly signed. Backup seemed to take that responsibility when he said that he was signed to be the backup to Desmond. Were you comfortable with him saying that? Were you surprised that he said that? And to follow up on that, would you like to add more competition at that position? Yeah, and ask that question. And we want, we're very clear when players come in, OK, this is the vision and this is our plan for you. And really, no one's anointed. Everybody's out there competing, even though right now this is the starting quarterback and this is the backup. But you need to be clear and you want to have a clear, when you're bringing players in and you're bringing in a free agent, we tell them, OK, this is the vision we have for you. And we want to be very honest about this is what we'd like to happen. Now, things obviously change. And but we want to be very clear. So no, it was very clear when we spoke to the player's agent and we obviously spoke to Taylor as well. We're very clear with the vision for him it was. We're clear with the vision for Desmond is. And we're not going to close any doors. We won't close any doors. Like no different than I said in that same press conference, we could add to it. We're not closing doors on any position. We can move up, we can move down, and we can take any position. If it's going to help make an impact on this team and help improve this football team, then we're not afraid to do it. Yeah, but the more context to that, Charles, you got to remember this, especially that position, right, the way you map things out and the number of reps you have. And when you get somebody like Taylor, I mean, it's a guy, it's a veteran in this league. And when he's choosing between the couple spots, again, Terry and I won't compromise that. We're not going to sit there and tell somebody whatever we can just to get them to sign. And then, oh, yeah, we're going to have a competition. And y'all know how that goes. All of a sudden, usually one guy gets five reps, the other guy gets two. Like the way you're trying to prepare and get somebody ready to play. Now, certainly, if it's not going well, he knows things can change, everything just can change. But I think a lot of that, it's we'll never sit there and compromise our morals and just make up, tell somebody whatever they want to hear, get them to sign, just accumulate, because that's not the way we want to operate. So when you're considering you're dealing with a free agency, we're pretty crystal clear what the vision is. Obviously, know that it can change. But certainly, when Taylor was sitting there trying to pick between a couple teams, lay it all out. We'll never sit there in line with somebody and say, tell them that we're going to do something or not. Which is really more of a very recent godly rehab in the roster. You made decisions on the major or now, Jeff, in terms of the careers? Well, we'll just keep those private for now. Obviously, the deadline's coming up pretty quick. But we'll keep that between those players, those agents. And when we make it official, we'll let you guys know. Is there a situation that could unfold where you have a tie between players that you have? Or is everybody on the board? Or have you ranked them clearly one above the other, racked and stacked? Is there a position that you wear? Stings shake out a weird way? You go, we didn't expect either one of these guys to be here. And we both value them. Like, how does that tie break work? Well, the way the board is right now, they're in categories. And we're continuing to do that. Even now, you said, are they graded? They're graded categories. I'm just trying to understand a little bit. So you have hired, they're in categories and stacked in that way. So there's higher categories. And so we'll have players. So you can have a player say, if this is a red player or this player is graded, this particular grade. And then we could have 10 players in that grade category. But they're all in that category, you know what I mean? So then when you're on the board, you can be looking at all the players that are in this particular category. And we've already had those discussions and talked through it. And what's the vision for this particular player? Now, to the earlier question, yes, as you're going through the draft, if now you're in the fourth round and depending on what you've done, and now you have these particular players in this category, it's the same category, but you can go a different way because of what you've done before. But the key is, where our discipline comes in is we don't want to reach down to a lower category and take a player just because they fit a need. So that's where that comes in. I think what you're asking too, is if you've got the same grade on two guys, where then all of a sudden they come up on the clock and it's like now you're having a debate. No, even if you've got them going across horizontally, we've still stacked them. So you're getting those situations, you're not making some emotional decision when the clock's going down. You want to try to avoid that. I mean, it's the same thing when you're trying to go through situations on a play call sheet. That's why I call throwing darts. You don't want to have those emotional discussions when you're on the clock like that. That's why you do try to game it out. But that's a good question, because you could have the same grade, different positions, or maybe you got the same grade, but we've tried to stack them, rank them, so you're not in that situation. I have a question to follow. Why do teams take so long enough to make pitch? That's the best question. You can ask. Why do teams take so long? I've got my theories, but everybody does it differently. Well, I'll tell you why, because it's airtime, right? It's true. Well, and a couple of reasons. It can be strategic, because sometimes your phone is ringing and you want to have those conversations. That's part of it. But then also, if you don't want to hurry up and turn in the card, because that time period, they're talking about your team. So part of it's airtime. Part of it's you want to take the calls if you are getting calls at that point and kind of consider some things. But it's not if you're on the clock and we're watching tape. It's not good. No, it's not good. That's not good. So yeah, it's like cramming for your exam. Yes. Yes. How much we're hearing a lot about the cognitive, the new kind of cognitive test. How much weight do you put in the cognitive test? We haven't heard as much since Vince Young in the last couple of days about cognitive test scores and how they may be dropping some prospects and so forth. And those things have been around forever. Yeah, there's a lot of different tests. There's so many different ones. And when you really look through it, D-Led, there's never one thing. It's like if someone says, hey, if you want to be healthy, take this one pill and you're going to be great and you'll be healthy. No, there's always so many different things. So if there was one test, any test where there was a cognitive test, if there was one, the 40-yard dash or one metric that we could say, this is going to be the key to success or determining success, then I wouldn't be sitting here right now. We wouldn't have a whole personnel department and all these resources invested in trying to find the right players. There's so many variables. There's a total picture. So we utilize a lot of different. Danny Leskin runs our analytics department and he does a really good job working with everyone. And there's a lot of different information. And we take all the information and we look at what's correlating to success. But there's so many other elements to it as opposed to one number to determine a player's success. Yeah, that's like a college admissions, right? When you're sitting there and some people get enamored with an SAT score or some people took the ACT dependent where you went to school and you're looking at people's resumes and some schools, they don't go higher than a 4-0. I don't know what they grade some of these schools anymore. Some people, I don't know how you get a 4.5 GPA, but I guess they exist. You're taking all with a grand assault. You're trying to have some comparative data with standardized tests and those may have evolved and you're just trying to take it all in. And that's the best analogy I can give you, there's no perfect test. If you get a perfect score on the SAT and you're a D student, do you let them in? Not in two-lane. So maybe North Carolina. But that's the thing. That's the best analogy I can give you for it. And you can't fault everybody. They're trying to create a business for themselves. And it's a lot of stuff going on this time of year. Rumors and whatnot. Terry, I'd love to get your perspective on this concept of imposition of value. And I think that's where some of these questions kind of, it's kind of around this concept of when you have two players out of position, how do you discern who's more valuable for a team? And the Falcons, I think, are particularly relevant because you've done things like dropping pits with number four of this contract that's gone out to Chris Lynch, which are kind of against the grain, I think, in some of those respects. So just how does that positional value kind of help inform your draft strategy? Yeah, and if you take those players, so you take a Chris Lynch drum, and we believe he's an impact player with a rare makeup. And everything that we're about, that's what he's about. And so it's looking at everything, and someone might say, OK, you shouldn't pay a guard or invest in that position. But we look at it like, what's the impact he makes on the field, off the field, in the locker room, in all those areas? Obviously, we took Kyle and we took Drake and we believe they're impact players, regardless of putting him at a particular position. Now, there are premium positions, right? So you say, what are the premium positions on defense? You would say, guys that are corners, guys that can cover and take the ball away, and guys that can get pressure on the quarterback. And then you look at offensively, what are the premium positions? OK, you say tackle, you say quarterback, and what are the premium? Those are more, you can stack those above other positions. But when we're looking, going through the process and looking at everything, it's important to look at the makeup and look at the players. And we're thinking about the total team. So we're trying to make the team better. You're talking about not making an emotional decision. As a player available, it may be only two or three picks away from you, or a player available that you have had your eyes on for a specific reason. How do you not get emotional about picking up the phone and saying, I don't want to risk it. This guy's not going to be here in three more picks. We need to make a move. So how do you balance that out? And that's why all these calls are made, parameters. If you want to move back, go up. So you understand, we've got that pot of players. And if you've got somebody that just, we think this guy could change the whole program. Certainly, you're going to have those conversations ahead of time. You know the risk. And then some things you can control. Again, call around. You can make, think you have parameters or trades. Somebody may give that team an offer that's out of your control. But you try to prepare that for all those scenarios in case you do need to do that. I mean, those are things you talk about beforehand. Again, like I said, you think you have the parameters with somebody maybe spot around you some way or the other. And then somebody comes in there and they get them a better deal the last second and you lose out. And you're just like, all right, well, we're about to go down to here. But you're trying to work through all that stuff right now. Yeah, we have all those conversations now, like Arthur's saying. And then you have to trust the process to and trust all the work that's been into it. And then you have to trust your board because there's a lot of stories when you look at the history where it was just that and someone was devastated because some player went that they wanted and they took the guy that was left there and ended up being a really good player, Hall of Fame players. There's a lot of those stories. So we have all those discussions. And yet we still have to trust the process and feel good about who we're going to take off the board. There's so much smoke out there right now, especially in the days leading into Thursday. Do you guys completely tune all this stuff that's swirling in the public out? Or how do you try to absorb this information determining what's real, what's fake? There's just so much of that out there. You can't tune anything out. I know Kayden sends me everything. I know you were talking about your buddy over there. It sends you everything. So you see everything. We see all of them. Go grab a cup of coffee. Yeah, see it. I mean, it's everywhere. Right. No building. So we do, we see everything. And like, yeah, we have to eliminate the noise. And again, that's where looking at the history helps as well because we always say when you look at some instant analysis of some different areas and how off they were, it's kind of entertaining when you go back and you look the history of it. So that's where we do have to, you see everything. And our Desmond say the other day, yeah, I have a TV. So you're going to see stuff. Whoever says they don't see anything, that's just not true. But what you have to do is have the right perspective and understand it is. It's entertaining and it's cool that everyone's interested in it. I don't know how many mock drafts there are out there, but there's so many mock drafts. It's unbelievable. And there's a lot of different experts. And there's a lot of really smart, talented people on TV. And yet there's certain reasons, like I'm sure when they walk in, they get the little card and this is what I'm going to argue today. And I'm going to be passionate about this. And that's just right. It's entertainment. That's what this business is. And all those things are good, though. And you appreciate those things. But for us, we have to make sure we do, even though we see it, block it out and make sure we're making the right decisions for the right reasons for this team, this organization, and making sure we're improving this team. What should you pay attention to? Maybe not for yourself, but for other teams, but for other people. I mean, the lack of mock drafts that exist. Pay attention to what the rocks are saying. Yeah, for others, not for what they do. You guys are going to deal with, like, from my head. Carolina is going to deal with my head. You're probably going to deal with yourself. Well, we try more so to, we try to gather as much information as we can and try to figure it out for ourselves. And again, not necessarily when you're in the top 10, I think more so as you get into the draft. Our pro department does a really good job of we have up, hey, these are what these teams, these other teams need. And these are the areas where they have to get a player. So as we're going through the draft and we see, okay, they've met these needs. And so we work hard to, just among ourselves, to figure that out as opposed to, we see everything, but you have to take it with a grain of salt. For both of you, what about as far as player evaluations? How much will you speak with other GMs and you with other coaches when, you know, just about, just in casual conversation. I said prep for the draft, but just, whether it's at the con line or somewhere along the way, hey, you know, I'll catch up with you after the con line. We both looked at this player. This is what I see is, how much of those notes comparing it? It doesn't even matter. Oh, no, I mean, it's, it does, but I mean, it was, it was like a game everybody plays. It's like, you know, even with among buddies and because it's so competitive, you know, I think unfortunately there are some people that may talk too much, you know, and you can gather some information out from other, you know, scouts or coaches. Very carefully, you know, naturally you're gonna have some conversations. I mean, to say you won't, but you're very careful what you say to people, even if you'd be your best friend on another team, just how competitive it is. Which court is the biggest liars? I don't know, but some GMs, I've listened to some of these, not listened, but I've read some of these headlines and there's some comical answers. When you know it, it's not really the truth. So it goes both ways. I think it's, again, the way it's covered, maybe I don't know. I'd rather, you know, be vague and then sit there and some people just lie straight to you, so. Yeah, I saw someone say the other day, you're working hard at this period to get the outcome, get the desired outcome. And that's what everybody, I was just on the phone with someone that known for a long time, another GM, and I respect him a lot and he's a great man, all that stuff, but he could have been selling me a bill of goods because at the end of the day he's trying to get the best desired outcome for his team, for their team. And we're trying to do the same things. When it comes to landing guys on the day three, I don't wanna ask what's different about the process because I'm sure the process is the same, but you know, we find guys like Avery or Tyler or some of the successes that you've had in those rounds. Maybe the question is like, what's the key to finding those guys that maybe others have passed up 149 times? So with those two particular players, I think those are good players to ask about because we talk, we always have to have a clear vision where there's the first, second, third, or eighth round, have a clear vision for the player, but it's more so where when you're drafting those earlier rounds, you hope you're drafting starters, whether they're starters initially or they grow into it, but there's a starting vision. At some point now you get in those later rounds, you want starters in every round, but you have to make sure you have a clear four down vision for them. So when you think about Avery, we knew Avery was, he's smart, he's tough, he's versatile, and there's a kicking game, not just as a returner, punting kick returner, but we know he can cover. We know he can do a lot of different things in the kicking game. So how does he get a jersey on game day? Okay, special teams while he's developing. Same thing with Tyler, and go through Tyler and go through the evaluation of him, and Tyler was a, he played some linebacker in college, that he can play in the kicking game, and sometimes you don't have the evidence on film of them playing in the kicking game, but if you look at the player's makeup and the player skill set, and then some guys just have to get in the building and they have to learn how to do it, but if you're bringing a player in at that point and he's pigeonholed at this one position and we don't see the value in the kicking game, he's not a smart, tough, highly competitive guy that's gonna go out there and do whatever he has to do to get a jersey on game day, and that makes it more challenging. So it's about having a clear vision for who the players are and how they can make your roster. This is why you spend so much time. Scott, you know, you go back and just thinking about prepping this off season, you go back to looking at notes, things we've done last year, but Tyler was a guy we had targeted pretty early, the guy we wanted depending on how it fell. So it wasn't all of a sudden just by random chance and then it also helps those guys succeed too because it's been a long process to think, all right, if we get this guy, here's how we wanna use him, here's how we wanna bring him along, where you're not just tired, worn down and just all right, we'll give the coach a win here and take this guy and that didn't work for anybody. So yeah, there is an art to it, trying to say all right, well, if we don't take a player early that we really like, there may be a guy at that same position we like later in the draft and we think he's got a certain skill set that'd be really successful. And both Tyler and Avery, those were guys that we had targeted early and we just, and timing and luck sometimes. We're sitting there waiting on them so they could have jumped in front of them and we're thankful that they were there when we took them. You're not gonna have to free agent list, is that as simple to say it comes from the guys in your draft board that just didn't get there as it is quick, because that's the other part of this, the next day of the draft, it's, you know, you gotta sign 15, 20 of these guys, it's as simple to say that they were on your board they just didn't get drafted and those are the guys we're gonna sign. Yeah, the majority of the guys are on the board because do you have a front board and then you have the back board, but ideally you're taking, there's still some players left that didn't get drafted and those are the guys that you're going after and are drafted for agency, those guys off that, still off that front board that didn't get drafted, that's ideal. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, just real quick for both of you guys now that you've been there a few times, what's, you know, now that all of this work, a year, years of work is behind you, what's your favorite part of the process once Thursday starts and we're on for the next few days? That's probably coming in here talking to you guys after the fix. I like to see who's worn down by the grind, you know, it's a late press conference, we'll see who's got perseverance, who's still got, you know, still sharp, you know, close to midnight, that's what I'm looking for. I enjoy the whole process and it really is all the time that we've spent, not just with the players, but with the staff when we're going back and forth to these workouts and you really get to spend a lot of time with everyone and getting to know everyone and you really enjoy that part of it and then to see how it all comes together and some of these players, we're talking about, it's really true, there's a lot of good young men. This league is in a good place and you enjoy that and we know we can't draft all of them but we might be signing them four years from now, five years from now and so the whole process and it really is special, like it's a special time for the young man, their families and so it's cool to see that come together because these guys have worked really hard and some of these stories with players that the challenges they've had to go through for their lives, you really root for them and so to see it all come together on those days and having the conversations on the phone and it really is special. Thank you.