 After my undergraduate degree and I graduated from Colorado State University in Fort Collins in biology, I wasn't sure what to do and I had a friend who got me a job working at a bank in Denver and then I transferred to a bank in Albuquerque because I'm from New Mexico and that was really boring for me. I was not made out to be a banker. I'm sure some people like banking a lot but for me it was not a good match. So that then propelled me back to graduate school and it was it was the best decision I made because just by a series of coincidence I ended up studying how materials reflect light and how to use that information to study the earth. And then from graduate school I came to the Goddard Space Flight Center as a postdoctoral fellow and I've been here ever since for about 35 years. And the work I do is fun. I enjoy doing it. It involves some travel. It involves a lot of research. In fact, overwhelmingly research but it's really enjoyable and I don't consider it to be work.