 Greetings, brilliant community, and thank you so much for tuning in to theCUBE here for the last three days where we've been live from Detroit, Michigan. I've had the pleasure of spending this week with Lisa Martin and John Furrier. Thank you both so much for hanging out, for inviting me into theCUBE family. It's our first show together. It's been wonderful. You nailed it. Oh, thanks, sweetheart. Great job, great job team, well done. Three wall-to-wall coverage is what we do. We stay until everyone else leaves until they pull the plug. Do they turn the lights out? We're still early. We're literally broadcasting. Whatever it takes to get the stories and get them out there at scale, great time. 33 different segments too, very impressive. John, I'm curious, you're a trend watcher and you've been at every single KubeCon. What are the trends this year? Give us the breakdown. I think CNCF does this, it's a hard job to balance all the stakeholders. So one, congratulations to the CNCF for another great KubeCon and CloudNativeCon. It is really hard to balance bringing in the experts who, as time goes by, seven years, we've been all of them, as you said, you get experts, you get seniority, you get people who can be mentors, 60% new people. You have vendors who are sponsoring and there's always people complaining and bitching and moaning. They want this, they want that. It's always hard and they always do a good job of balancing it. We're lucky that we get to scale the stories with theCUBE and that's been great. We had some great stories here but it's a great community. And again, they're inclusive. Before we've talked about it, this year though is an inflection point in my opinion because you're seeing the developer ecosystem growing so fast, it's global, you're seeing events pop up, you're seeing derivative events. CNCF is at the center point and they have to maintain the culture of developer, experts, maintainers, while balancing the newbies. And that's going to be really hard. And they've done a great job. We had a great conversation with them, so great job and I think it's going to continue. I think the attendance metric is a little bit of a false positive. There's a lot of online people who didn't come to Detroit this year and I think maybe the combination of the venue, the city, or just COVID preferences, may not look good on paper on the numbers because it's not a major step up in attendance. It's still bigger, but the community, I think is going to continue to grow and bullish on it. Yeah, I mean at least we did see double the number of people that we had in Los Angeles. Very curious, I think Amsterdam where we'll be next with CNCF in the spring and April. I think that's actually going to be a better pulse check. We'll be in Europe, we'll see what's going on. I mean, who doesn't like Amsterdam in the springtime? Lisa, what have been some of your observations? Oh, so many observations. The evolution of the conference, the hallway-track conversations really shifting towards adjusting to the enterprise. The enterprise momentum that we saw here as well. We had on the show Ford. Yes. We had MassMutual, we had ING that was today, Home Depot is here. We're seeing all these big companies that we know and love become software companies right before our eyes. Yeah, well, I think we forget that software powers our entire world. And so of course they're going to have to be here. So much running on Kubernetes, it's on-prem, it's at the edge, it's everywhere, it's exciting. Woo, I'm excited. John, what do you think is the number one story? This is your question, I love asking you this question. What is the number one story out of KubeCon? Well, I think the top story is a combination of two things. One is the evolution of cloud native. We're starting to see web assembly. That's a big hyped up area. It's got a lot of attention. That's kind of teaching out to the future. The future of this kind of lightweight, you got the heavy duty VMs, you got Kubernetes and containers now. So we have assembly shows a trajectory of apps, server-like environment. And then the big story is security. Software supply chain is, to me, was the number one consistent theme in almost all the interviews in the containers and the workflows. Software supply chain is real. The CD Foundation mentioned they had 16,000 vulnerabilities identified in their code base. They were going to automate that. So again, that's the top story. The growth of open source exposes potential vulnerabilities with security. So software supply chain gets my vote. Did you hear anything that surprised you? You guys did this great preview of what you thought we were going to hear and see and feel and touch at KubeCon, Cloud NativeCon 2022. You talked about, for example, the healthcare and financial services being early adopters of this. Anything surprised either one of you in terms of what you predicted versus what we saw? Samantha, I'll start with you. You know what really surprised me, and this is ironic, I'm a community gal by trade, but I was really just impressed by the energy that everyone brought here and the desire to help. The thing about the open source community that always strikes me is 187 different countries participating, you've got, I believe it's something like 175,000 people contributing to the 140 projects plus that CNCF is working on. But that culture of collaboration extends far beyond just the CNCF projects. Everyone here is keen to help each other. We had the conversation just before about the teaching and the learnings that are going on here. They brought in Detroit students to come and learn, which is just the most heartwarming story out of this entire thing. And I think it's just the authenticity of everyone in this community and their passion. Even though I know it's here, it still surprises me to see it in the flesh, especially in a place like Detroit. It's so nice to see it. And you bring up a good point. It's very authentic. It's super authentic. I mean, what surprised me is one, the Wassam or WebAssembly, I didn't see that coming at the scale of the conversation. It sucked a lot of oxygen out of the room, in my opinion, still hyped up, but it looks like it's got a good trajectory. I like that. The other one thing that surprised me that was learning was, our interview with solo.io, Adit and Brian Gracie, because he's a CUBE alumni and former host of the CUBE, and analyst at Wikibon, was how their go-to-market was an example of a modern company in COVID with a clean sheet of paper and smart people. They're just doing things different. They're in slack with their customers. And I walked away with, wow, that's like a playbook that's not, was never in the go-to-market, VC-back company playbook. I thought that was, for me, a personal walk away saying that's important. I like how they did that. And there's a lot of companies, I think to learn from that, especially as the recession comes, where partnering with customers has always been a top priority. And how they did that was very clever, very effective, very efficient. So I walked away with that saying, I think that's going to be a standard. So that was a pleasant surprise. That was a great surprise. Also, that's a female-founded company, which is obviously not super common. And the growth that they've experienced, to your point, really being catalyzed by COVID is incredibly impressive. I mean, they have some massive brand name customers, AMEX, BMW, for example. Great point. I mean, I interviewed her years ago, and I remember saying to myself, wow, she's impressive. I liked her. She's a player, a player for sure. And she's got confidence. Even on the interviews, she said, we're just better. We're a better product. And I just liked the point of view, very customer-focused, but confident. And I just thought that's a great company. And again, I'm not surprised that Brian Gracie left Red Hat to go work there. So, yeah, great, great call there. And of course, other things that weren't surprising that I predicted, Red Hat continued to invest. They continued to bring people on theCUBE. They support theCUBE. And more importantly, they have a good strategy. They're in that multi-cloud positioning. They're going to have an opportunity to get a bite at the apple. And I call the super cloud as enterprises try to go and be mainstream cloud native. They're going to need some help. And Red Hat has always has the large enterprise customers. What surprised you, Lisa? Oh my gosh, so many things. I think some of the memorable conversations that we had, I love talking with some of the enterprises that we mentioned, ING Bank, for example, or institutions that have been around for 100 plus years. To see not only how much they've innovated and stayed relevant to meet the demands of the consumer, which are only increasing, but they're doing so, well, fostering a culture of innovation and a culture that allows these technology leaders to really grow within the organization. That was a really refreshing conversation that I think we had, because you can kind of think of all these old stodgy companies, and of course they're going to digitize because they have to. Think about working for the bank, I think of boring. Right, and they were talking about, in fact, those great t-shirts that they had on, were all about getting more people to understand how fun it is to work in tech for ING Bank in different industries. You don't just have to work for the big tech companies to be, do we really cool stuff in technology? What I really liked about this show is we had two female hosts. Yeah. How about that, come on. Hey, well done. Well done on your recruitment and their champs. And not to mention we have a really all-star production team. I do just want to give them a little shout-out to all the wonderful folks behind the lights here. Good job, the way they do stuff. Yeah, without Brendan Anderson, Noah and Andrew, we would be- Of course, Frank Fay holding it back there, too. Of course, Frank. I mean, without the business development wheels on this ship, we'd really be in an unfortunate spot. I almost just swore on television, we're not going to do that. It's okay, no one's regulating me. Yeah. You love masters to build a twin or something. It was a close call. That's right. It's going to be a hell-scape. Yeah, shit's on fire, so we'll just see what happens next. I do, I really want to talk about this because I think it's really special. It's an ethos and some magic has happened here. Let's talk about Detroit. Let's talk about what it means to be here. We saw so many, and I can't stress this enough, but I think it really matters, there was a commitment to celebrating place here. Lisa, did you notice this, too? Absolutely, and it surprised me because we just don't see that at conferences. We're so used to going to the same places, Vegas, Vegas, Vegas, more Vegas, San Francisco. You don't, yes. Summs up my feelings, yes. Right, yeah. And it's almost robotic, but, and the fact that we're like, oh, Detroit, really, but there was so much love for this city and recognizing and supporting its residents that we just don't see at conferences. You uncovered a lot of that with your swag, savvy segments, and you've got more of that to talk about today. Don't worry, it's coming. Yeah. What about you? Have you enjoyed Detroit? I know you hadn't been here in a long time when we did our intro session. I think it's a bold move for the C&C to have to come here and celebrate what they did from the teaching the kids in the city, some tech, they had a session. I thought that was teach the kids, that was good. I think there was a risky move because a lot of people, like, weren't sure if they were going to fly to Detroit, so some say it might impact the attendance. I thought they did a good job. Their theme rode ahead, nice tie-in. So I think I enjoyed Detroit. The weather was great. It didn't rain, nice breeze outside. The weather was great, restaurants are phenomenal, so Detroit's a good city. I missed some hockey games, I'd love to see the Red Wings play. Missed that game, but we'll always come back. I think it's really special. I mean, every time I talked to a company about their swag that had sourced it locally, there was a real reason for the story. I mean, even with Kasten in that last segment when I noticed that they had done Carhart Beeneys, Carhart being a Michigan company, they said, I'm so glad you noticed, that's why we did it. And I think that type of community commitment to plays, it all comes back to community, one of the bigger themes of the show, but that passion and that support, we need more of that. Yeah. And the thing about the guests who've had this past three days, it's been phenomenal. We had a diverse set of companies, individuals come on theCUBE, from Scott Johnson at Docker, really one-on-one, we had a great intense conversation. Great way to kick it off. You shared a lot of inside baseball around Docker, super important company. You know, impressed with companies like Platform Nine, that's been around since the OpenStack days, who are now in a relevant position. Raffi Systems, hot startup, they don't have a lot of resources, a lot of guerrilla marketing going on. So I love to see the mix of startups really contributing, the big players are here. So it was a real great mix of companies. And I thought the interviews were phenomenal. Like you said, Ford, we had a, Kubea launched on theCUBE. That's a- We scooped the location for KubeCon. You did. North America, Chicago, everyone, in case you missed it. Priyanka was nice enough to share that with us yesterday. We had great Sarbitra Wall, CUBE analysts came on, Pete Townsend yesterday with you guys. We had like analyst speed dating last night. We had- How'd that go? It was actually great. One of the things that- Did they hug and kiss at the end? Here's the funny thing is that they were debating the size of the CNCF. One thinks it's too big, one thinks it's too small, and I thought, is John Goldilocks? What's John going to think about that? Well, I love that segment. I thought, because Keith and Sarbitra, they know each other on Twitter all the time. And I heard Keith say before we went, now let's have it out on theCUBE. So that was fun to watch. Thank you for creating this forum for us to have that kind of discourse. Well, it wouldn't be possible without the sponsors. I want to thank the CNCF. Absolutely. And all the ecosystem partners and sponsors that make theCUBE possible. We love doing this. We love getting the stories. No stories too small for theCUBE. We'll go with it, do whatever it takes. And if it wasn't for the sponsors, the community wouldn't get all the great knowledge. So, and thank you guys. Hey, yeah, we're happy to be here. Speaking of sponsors and vendors, should we talk a little swag? Yeah, let's do it. All right, okay. So now this is becoming a tradition on theCUBE. I'm very delighted, the savvy swag segment. I do think it's interesting though. I mean, this isn't just me shouting out folks and showing off T-shirts and socks. It's about standing out from the noise. There's a lot of players in the space. We've got a lot of CNCF projects. And one of the ways to catch the attention of people walking the show floor is to have interesting swag. So we looked for the most unique swag on Wednesday. And I hadn't found this yet, but I do just want to bring it up. Oops, I think I might have just dropped it. This is cute. Is most random swag of the entire show goes to this toothbrush. I don't really have more in terms of the pitch there because this is just random. So everyone needs this, and you forget these. Yeah, so the idea was to brush your cloud bills. So I think they're reducing the cost of cloud. Kind of a hygiene angle. Yeah, yeah, very much a hygiene angle, which I found a little ironic in this crowd to be completely honest with you. Don't leave the lights on on theCUBE, that's what they say. I mean, we are theCUBE, so it would be unjust of me not to show you Rubik's Cube. This is actually one of those speed cubes. I'm not going to be able to solve this for you with one hand on camera, but apparently someone did it in 17 seconds at the booth. Knowing this audience, not surprising to me at all. Today we are, and yesterday was the T-shirt contest, today we really dove into the socks. So this is, I noticed this trend at KubeCon in Los Angeles last year. Lots of different socks, clouds, obviously a theme for the cloud, I'm just going to lay these out. Lots of gamers in the house, not surprising here on this one, got to level up. I love these because they say it's not a bug, and anyone who's coded has obviously had to deal with that. We've got crowds, so Star Wars is a huge theme here. There's Lego sets. I think it's Star Trek. That's okay, we'll go. It could be both. Never mind, I don't want to go. You can flex your nerd and geek with us anytime you want, John. I don't mind getting corrected. I'm all about the truth. Star Trek, Star Wars, okay, well, I'll say. Okay, go ahead. Yeah, no, no, this is great. Slim AI was nice enough to host us for dinner on Tuesday night. These are their lovely cloud socks, so you can see cloud native, obviously cloud native foundation, cloud socks. Whole theme here. But if we're going to narrow it down to some champions, I love these little bee elephants from Raft. And when I went up to these guys, I actually probably would have called these my personal winner. They said, again, so community focused and humble here at CNCF, they said that Wiz was actually the champion. According to the community, these unicorn socks are pretty excellent, and I have to say the branding is flawless. So we'll go ahead and give Wiz the win on the best sock contest. For the win. Yeah, Wiz for the win. However, the thing that I am probably going to use the most is this really dope Detroit snapback from Kastin. So I'm going to be rocking this from now on for the rest of the segment as well. And I feel great about this snapbacking. Looks great, it looks good on you. Yeah, thanks, John. So what are we expecting between now and KubeCon in Amsterdam? Well, I think it's going to be great to see how the European side of a chill show, it's great, it brings in the European audience and the global perspective. I always love the EU shows because, one, it's a great destination. Amsterdam's going to be a great location. I'm pumped. And the American crowd loves going over there. All the Venn cities that they choose are always awesome. I miss Valencius, they got COVID. I really bummed about that, but I love the European shows. It's just a little bit, it's high intensity, but it's the European chill. They got a little bit more of that siesta vibe going on. And it's just awesome. Yeah, and I think that the mojo that carried throughout this week, it's really challenging to not only have a show that's five days, but to go through all the way to a Friday at 4 p.m. Eastern time and still have the people here, the energy and all the collaboration, the conversations that are still happening. I think we're going to see a lot more innovation come spring 2023. So should we do a bet? Somebody's got to buy dinner. Who, well, I guess the folks who lose this will buy dinner for the other one. How many attendees do you think will see in Amsterdam? So we had, we had 4,000 roughly in Los Angeles. Priyanka was nice enough to share with us. There was 8,000 here in Detroit, and I'm talking in person. We're not going to meddle this with the online. 5,500. I was going to say six, 6K. I'm going 12,000. I'm going to go and go big. I'm going to go opposite prices, right? One dollar. Yeah, yeah. That's exactly where I was driving with it. I'm going, I'm going absolutely all in. I think the momentum here is building. I think if we look at the numbers from- Would you go family feud? Casted by being, yeah, yeah, exactly. And they mentioned that they had 11,000 people who have taken their Kubernetes course in that first year. If that's a benchmark and an indicator, we've got the veteran players here. But I do think that, that I personally think that the hype of Kubernetes has actually preceded adoption. If you look at the data, and now we're finally tipping over. I think the last two years we were on the fringe and right now we're there. It's great. Well, on that note, on that note actually, on that note, as we are talking. So I got to give cred to my co-hosts. We deal with a lot of background noise here on theCUBE. It is a live show floor. There's literally someone on an e-scooter behind me. There's been Pong going on in the background. The sound will haunt the three of us for the rest of our lives, as well as the production crew. Welcome to theCUBE, baby. And just as we're sitting here doing this segment, last night, they turned the lights off on us. Today they're letting everyone know that the event is over. So on that note, I just want to say, Lisa, thank you so much. Such a warm welcome to the team. John, what would we do without you? You did an amazing job. First two, three days, it's a big show. You got staying power, I got to say. Absolutely. Look at that. Not bad. You set it on camera now. Not bad. So you all are stuck with me. Not bad. Eight plus, great job to the team. Again, we do so much flow here. Brandon, team, Andrew, Noah, Anderson, Frank. They're doing our hair. They're touching up makeup. They're helping me clean my teeth, staying hydrated. We look good because of you. And the guests, thanks for coming on and spending the time with us. And of course the sponsors. Again, we can't do it without the sponsors. If you're watching this and you're a sponsor, support theCUBE, it helps people get what they need. And also we do a lot more segments around community and a lot more educational stuff. So we're going to do a lot more in the EU and beyond. So thank you. Yeah, thank you. Thank you to everyone. Thank you to the community. Thank you to theCUBE community. And thank you for tuning in, making it possible for us to have somebody to talk to you on the other side of the camera. My name is Savannah Peterson for the last time in Detroit, Michigan. Thanks for tuning into theCUBE. Okay, we're done.