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A multifaceted youth centered organization that is very progressive and runs a program around the country that enable young people to move forward. It started off by asking ourselves what is vision 2030. As you know Kenya has a vision, Kenya has a path and a direction that it's supposed to be going but you'll find that a lot of young people don't see that vision. They see maybe other visions of other countries and desire those countries but it's until young people of this nation begin to desire to see their vision and the country's vision and that's how vision 2030 youth came about so that then we can be the leading organization to go around the country enabling young people to get the information about the vision because in that vision there is a place for the youth. The reasons why there is so much unemployment is because not so much youth are looking at entrepreneurship as an opportunity. So us as vision 2030 have looked at the entire economy sector and understood there is agriculture. There are those basic sectors that have to operate for Kenya to be existing. So something like agriculture is one of the best options for young people to invest in or to get into because agriculture currently the average age of a farmer in Kenya is 65. So you can imagine 12% of young people in Kenya are in agriculture. That's a very little number and yet you'll find this youth come from the rural areas where their parents have enough land that they can start tilling they can start producing in those lands and agriculture is not just about digging with a jembe there is mechanization there is also agribusiness what we talk about value addition and value chain opportunities so young people need to open up their minds and look at that and also vision 2030 just to conclude we look at things in a different perspective for example we have a program called bilateral recovery program bilateral meaning this country as a nation has signed bilateral agreements with nations around the world you've seen his excellency Huru Kenyatta and even other members of our government travel to foreign countries and signed bilaterals in all those bilaterals I'm sure there is something there for the youth so we as vision 2030 have looked at WTO all those institutions that have come to Kenya to enable Kenya stand up and lift up its capacity we believe by creating that awareness and enabling the youth to demand for those agreements so that they can find their future alright thank you so much that is vision 2030 youth and of course I love the fact that you are targeting the young people of this country to empower them in that particular area and keep doing what you're doing and let's talk about Mata's Konstanti the nation and I'd like to hear your thoughts in regards to this because the stage has been set for an epic battle at the Supreme Court we are looking at a scenario where we are going to see the Azimio lawyers going to the Supreme Court and of course this is a petition that is going to be filed by 2pm today and we have Wafulache Bukati and Ruto who are going to be the main respondents to this petition what do you think about the likelihood of this are they going to win are they going to lose what is the turnout according to you in this petition thank you very much firstly I would like to say that and first thank Kenyans young people old people all Kenyans for having a peaceful election for the first time we've been able to have an election without a lot of violence or any violence so to speak it has been somehow free and fair even going by what the observers who had come around the country the international observers some from the Americas some from Europe some from all other places African Union East African Corporation all of these people we've had a process because the election is a process it's not just an event and you remember the kind of tension that the country was going through when we were waiting for the announcement and there was so much tension you could see that there is going to be anxiety was all over the country but we over stood that and yes William Samoy Ruto was elected president-elect according to IBC and the announcement that was made however the country which is a democracy following the constitution of 2010 which gives an elaborate direction after which an announcement is made by the IBC chairman so Azimiyo Laumodja is in its rightful place whereby they are going to court to say that they object or they don't agree with the outcome of the election however I think the burden of proof lies on Azimiyo because UDA Kenya Kwanzaa will be given all the evidence all the accusations and all proof from Azimiyo from the side of Azimiyo so they will be able to scrutinize it because they have their legal time allowed and the timelines will allow them actually in regards to that particular timeline because once the petition has been filed today it is at 2pm deadline once it is filed Azimiyo will have 24 hours to sell the respondents and the respondents will have in turn 4 days to file their response so after that according to according to the information out there is that there will be a petitioner who will have one day to file an interlocutory application alright and of course on the 8th day after filing this petition the supreme court will hold a pre-trial conference sharing of the petition will will start immediately after that and of course the judges verdict will come later on and that will be final so if you look at this particular timeline that we have 4 days, 8 days and the petitioners being given time to respond do you feel like this process is going to be a replica of what happened in the previous general election I mean it would not be really a replica it would have its own mechanisms because you can imagine at that time William Samoe Ruto Uhuru Kenyatta on one side and Railo Odinga was on the other side I think the setup this time is very tough I believe even this is a much more closer election to call compared to you know during the other time in 2017 Railo Odinga did not run he boycotted the election so Uhuru Kenyatta was elected with 98.2% however this time the numbers are so close so it wouldn't be like the 2017 it will be a lot of David Barragana li 5 elections no no no this will be a lot of you have to prove your evidence because in the end of the day we have to also have faith in our institutions I believe Azimio also went in the election knowing if they win they were going to be announced by the same institution or if Kenyakwanza the same way or even Wajakoya and the other Mr. Maore you see so everybody knew that the election would have an outcome however disputes are always allowed and Azimio will have its day to bring the dispute to the public and say this is evidence and we as a public also you remember we you know there is no password I believe the the system that IBC had put in place because we have many MPs elected we have many MCAs elected we have many Senators elected 47 County Women Repelected and we haven't had of any polling station drama we haven't really had of any matters that happened during the polling station or during the election period this is now post election where we are hearing that they might have been some anomalies and you know even globally it's recognized in the world there is no perfect election in the world so this is going to be a grand battle I believe the battle is here but the battle doesn't end there in the end of the day you know the power that is given unto the Supreme Court the Supreme Court has power to either nullify the election or accept it was free and fair so once it nullified you know what happened in 2017 there is a reelection so that is probably going to be the outcome but we will see I don't want to jump my gun because I haven't seen the evidence provided for by Azimio but once we see them because they are the complainant then we will be able to make a soba decision even as a nation and I love what you are saying here because at the end of the day as a nation we are looking forward to having something that is going to take the country forward in terms of matters concerning peace but the conversation that has been ongoing also is in regards to the commissioners that are of the IBC here we are looking at the four commissioners we have Sherrera, Francis Wanderi we have Justice Nyanga and Irene Masete who have maintained that the numbers released by the chairman of IBC Wafolec Bukati who are erroneous that he ought to have verified before declaring the final results and we have seen the trends youth have been talking about on twitter they are 0.01% and they are 0.1% and the opekness of the whole process what is your thoughts on that particular issue and how it plays in this case I don't want to seem bias but for example take a company it has board members when you are making a decision you dispute when the board is there and in this case IBC under the election at 2011 is like a board that's how it operates so if there are any disputes you bring it forth within the board and you raise it up and secondly if IBC had a national tiling center at bombers of Kenya where you saw all agents according to the law all chief agents and agents of different candidates were all pregrimaged at the bombers of Kenya so I felt a bit taken off myself personally and I've had this discussion going around as well to this point that how did they desire to live the bombers of Kenya as it was the board and the office of the IBC national presidential tiling center to drive over 10 kilometers to the CBD to a hotel to make that announcement I believe if they made it in front you see when the fracas was there everything was heated up there so they should have raised that matter in front of the TV in front of the public so that that matter is dealt with there because now what happened is later is now you can see people are trying to say you've seen this on social media and I know social media can be faked around especially now young people need to be very careful of a lot of fake news but we've seen in social media where they have put two different pictures of the lady Cheshire and Rayl Odinga speaking and they have tried to show that they are speaking actually the same statement so you see the authenticity so if they stayed there they would have made this whole process more authentic but for them to live now it then creates another shadow because now the body and then you can hear also in the legal arguments of different people especially like now Kenya Kwanza because they are the ones who are saying you're stopping our election they are saying that the burden of announcing or the the responsibility of announcing the presidential election is held under the office of the chairperson who is the national presidential returning officer like in the constituency there is a returning officer you don't see anybody else going to announce in the county you don't see RO who is a county returning officer and now in the national there is a national returning officer who is Wafulachi Bukati however if it's in a bold decision whereby we are saying procurement needs to go to this company then there is a vote and in the vote is where the commissioners would have their say but to this one even the deputy PO did he announce together with the RO when the RO was present only in Embakasi where the RO was you had about that story very sad story where a young man who has a young family has now lost his life because of election we just hope this election matter as a young person ends so that Kenya can move on and we hope that the judges will be able to be fair and just in our constitution in our national anthem that they provide justice and justice for everyone and I'm looking at the IEBC and it has had a very long past or history of commissioners resigning especially during the election period either before during or after and this has brought about to the questions being raised about the the stability of this particular institution the division within the commission that led to the four commissioners to call for that particular press conference that you've just highlighted on this particular result for the election is also likely to feature in this particular case I believe so and by yesterday it was not clear if the four who include the commission vice chairperson Julia Machereira would appear as respondents or witnesses but now I'm looking at the logitivity of the IEBC do you feel like it's going to last to the point that it will come and see through the next general election I know this I'm looking at the future here I think that's the commission yes that's a very good question and a very permanent question to Kenyans because for example we are business people as young people we trade but immediately we talked about two months to election if you are having business of exporting your fruits or your vegetables abroad you are told now we are not buying now from Kenya because of instability if you had a business transaction with a foreigner who had come to this country they closed down their companies and they said minimum engagement ok and this also follows down to even businesses closing down you saw even during that period of election a lot of businesses had closed down and I thank even the government current government for trying to bring back normalcy which is very important however I believe that the IEBC commissioners and their stand which under the constitution have the right to oppose they have the right to speak what they feel is their opinion and indeed don't believe even Chibukati has the right to stop them from saying that however I would like a clear process we would like a clear process of engagement because if they are chosen as witnesses then it might even look bias because as a witness a witness and you are part of the commission the commission and you've taken the oath of secrecy you've taken the oath of allegiance or whatever the oath they don't take even the normal oath they take their own oath because these are independent offices established under the constitution 2010 so we need to be very careful but however we need Kenya's democracy to experience this because once and for all we will know what the process was and better of this time there is no mystery like a password you remember about the server the issue about the server at least this time the server being not open or not closed this time we have a portal so everything is within the portal the IEBC last to the point that it sees through to the next general election in 2027 in your view in my view any person who will come in will want to change it be it Rilo Odinga or be it William Bruto because or even the people of Kenya in the end of the day if we elect a president and I know the constitution says the nation lies with the people that doesn't mean because we have given us sovereignty or they have borrowed a bit of it that means that we as Kenyans don't have our own civil rights we have civil rights and we as Kenyans if we feel aggrieved against the IEBC or we feel that they need to be more reform that process has to continue but one thing you have to give credit one thing you have to give credit to this IEBC unlike the last time which the IEBC ran the election in many quarters and in all quarters you could hear of praises of how the IEBC ran the election only perhaps at this final time where there is this issue which has been raised but the IEBC everybody in Kenya because even the way they managed the whole process this time was very unique imagine there was a choir there was a choir when Akina Nani was bashing the IEBC officials there was a choir singing for us so you could see the positive energy and I believe Chebukati tried his level best it's not an easy job you remember Kivwito he was called Mr Kivwito you remember what he he's Kivwito you remember the kind of stress the mze went through just because of that election election is not the end of life and I believe Kenyans have proved to the world that you don't have to fight because of an election election is just the freedom of expression freedom of association freedom of political engagement it's not a matter of life I love what you said and I saw a particular meme online when somebody was making a joke about if you were to apply for job interview and to say that you can work under pressure you can indicate clearly for example hours at the choir yes I mean that one is the choir at Bomas is a very spiritual choir I believe they held they are cool threw out the whole process threw out the whole process and I believe that's the spirit of Kenya the IBC's performance for this election do you think that if we are to go to court and of course the the supreme court has 14 days to deal with this particular matter will it tarnish the whole repetition of Wafulache Bukati considering the fact that you know what he has tried to bring changes in the commission he has tried to bring changes in this particular general election ensuring that all form 34As was sent to the cloud and every body every Kenyan could access it just from the comfort of their form to be quite honest on my opinion is I don't want to kind of stigmatize or prejudice going by his statements that he's given he's even talked about being profiled and his members of staff being profiled they're working still under a lot of pressure what I feel and I want to ask the commissioners did they report this incident to the police have they done a statement with the police to report because if they say there was a fraud the people who deal with this crime under the penal code is the directorate of criminal investigation you understand even Chebukati when he was attacked or when he said that his staff have been attacked he wrote a whole letter and reported the matter to the NPCS National Police Service now that's all of it including the DCI and the administration police so I hope that the commissioners have reported this matter so that even what they have said has to be in a statement which is under oath so that it's not you know right now what we are seeing a lot from the commissioners is social media statements and news statements we need to see a signed statement which is certified by Anafi David saying that this is my true standing and that will all be done when we go to court now interestingly even as we talk about this matters concerning the court the president elect William Bruto has been making statements into gas to planning for the future and he said this am I quote but for the first time they have not planned demonstrations or other undesirable acts this is a good way to start growing our young democracy in the right direction this is what D.P. Bruto said what you thought in regards to that because he also thanked President Rukinyata and promised to carry on from where he lives he will have his respect and enjoy his space this is D.P. Bruto talking about Urukinyata this is the president elect and he said he will have his respect and enjoy his space and I am going to continue from where he will have left I think that statesman that statesman because irrespective of what people may say and irrespective of what people's views are private or public it's still there as a fact and I am glad you corrected yourself because he hasn't been sworn in but it's still there as a fact that William Bruto is a president elect and his stacha and his demeanor has changed because obviously you saw even his security was enhanced he's gotten various acknowledgements congratulations from various states all over Africa and in the world and therefore it's important and prime for him to behave as a president elect and it was a good show of olive branch to his excellency Urukinyata and seeking the president and saying that we will look after you and your interest will be looked after and saying like kind of an olive branch and saying the election has ended irrespective of there being a petition life has to go on and we are going to continue and the constitution also and it's not even William Bruto himself I saw that yesterday when Gashagwa in one of the state one of the appearances they made in Kiambu in Gedongori when Waitito said that he seemed like he wanted to be a virgin against Urukinyata no Urukinyata is a respected African statesman and I'm happy that even Gashagwa corrected Waitito and told him that we cannot have that but politics in during a competition people say a lot of things but once the competition is over we have to make peace and the country has to continue so I do really really congratulate William Bruto for the things that he said and he pledged to revive projects worth 500 billion Kenya shalings this is William Bruto and he said that these projects have stalled and he pledged to revive them he also promised that no part of the country will be sidelined by his administration I think to be very honest and to be fair to the gentleman he had a vision and he demonstrated very well in the period and he provided a manifesto and I believe he went around the country with his team to do what is called economic forums county economic forums regional economic forums to find out what ails the community and society in its own diversity I believe even he has the Nyanza one he has the different areas and therefore he is simply saying what he is going to do in his vision and even if it was Raila Odinga whom we respect a lot Right Honorable Raila Odinga even him he would have been saying the same so we shouldn't look at it in any negative way we should actually be saying wow if one of them can do it and make that happen and put a cent in someone's pocket and change someone's life and uplift and enable young people in this country like our organization what we stand for for example like the SMEs we are very very dear about SMEs we have a program called student SME program if you look at the rate of unemployment in this country and who are these those who have not gone to high school or tertiary education you rank them or demograph them as under employed there is a category they are called under employed because they have not had to go to school and they have not had the opportunity to I am not saying it in a bad way but according to the statistics then you have because that's where you can place them then you have the unemployed the unemployed are those who are meant to have been having had employment because they went to school they got a degree they got the skills but they don't have a job so those are your unemployed so 60% of these unemployed people who are the students as as vision 2030 youth have a program which we are partnering with various universities in this country to raise the consciousness of these students in the university today so that they can then start appreciating entrepreneurship say if you are a lawyer the basic need to start a company in Kenya is a business name like if you can have the business name act is the most basic form of a company which you can start yourself so you can even start a paraligo company while you are still in school because even students do paraligo services why because they need to build an experience so that by the time they are deciding to have their own law firm or perhaps become a partner in a law firm they have to show how they have applied their skill in a workplace I love the direction that we are taking in this particular conversation here because now you are bringing in the youth aspect of it and I love the fact that what we are saying that as a country we must move on we must move on what do you think is what is your position in regards to now the youth themselves they need to start getting those jobs they need to start applying going for those interviews but there is this perception that is still there that you know what still the elections are still ongoing there is this other perception and I was interacting with a few last week you were telling me that they cannot move on with their lives because they are either too excited about the present elect or to be disappointed about the petition which way for the youth youth I speak to you personally and call upon you to listen to yourself every young person in this country has a need one what are those basic needs young person who is above 21, 25 probably is living on their own they have to pay rent those same youth in that house they are living in probably have a young family they have to feed their family they have to cloth their family those same youth they are in order to cloth or feed their family they need energy, electricity they need gas they need kerosene even just to leave the house and go to the streets that youth needs fair that youth needs transport money so I believe youth need to wake up this is a wake up call let us take advantage of this opportunity we have just come from a difficult part of COVID-19 most of the young people's businesses because young people hardly save young people hardly have savings because they leave hand to mouth many countries in the world that have succeeded were not built by the old generation they were built by young people who decided to make a choice and that choice you've already made politically it's out of your hands but the choice that remains in your hands is you need to feed your family you need to cloth yourself so find out and figure out and not reinvent in the wheel getting into entrepreneurship getting out they are looking for those jobs again engaging in positive peer mentorship not sitting at home lagging watching TV go out there and look for a skill right now there are many tivets under the jubilee government never like any other government before that they built tivets all over the country tivet was a solution that I believe was brought about for example if you all know about the geopolitics I'll be very short with this I'll take you all the way to North America in the 1930s after the first world war North America was like Kenya today Kenya is facing an economic depression agree or don't agree it is a fact 80% 70% of our people live in abject poverty and this is where North America was yes this is where it was back then but I always say my best president of America after Obama who is our Kenyan the best was Franklin D. Roosevelt to me he came up with various programs that changed the America and created employment for the youth created creative economy like Hollywood created an