 for John Bresson. Oh, they're having good fun there. Merry Christmas to yourself as well, Derek. Right, I'm joined now by, let me see, we're joined by Kevin Corley. Good afternoon, Kevin. Hi, thanks for having me. It's actually Kieran. It's Kieran. If I had been good glasses on, Kieran, I could see your name properly. My apologies, Kieran. Kieran, how are you today, sir? I'm good. I'm very good. Very busy. You're very busy. Well, that's a good thing because you're here to talk about something that I have never heard of before. And you have a business and a business that's going quite, quite well. Tell us more about Braggen. Is it Braggen Skincare? Braggen Skincare. Braggen Skincare. We have a snail farm in the shadow of Braggen Mountain here in London. Stop, stop, stop, stop. A snail farm? A snail farm. Yeah. We have over one million snails on a snail farm in Monham, and we harvest the snail slime from the snails, and we use this to treat people with skin complaints or skin issues, or even as a cosmetic to help people to appearance. You don't need it, even. I don't know about that. Well, tell me, where did this all come from, or how did this all start, Kieran? Okay. So it's not you. I can't claim to have discovered it. Two and a half thousand years ago, one of those clever Greek fellows called Hippocrates, he is the guy who grew up with Hippocratic Oath. He was using snail slime to cure people with eczema, or psoriasis, or dermatitis, or any sort of dry skin issues. Because he didn't have a pharmacy down the road, and he didn't have any online stuff that he could buy. So you've got your many snails. Did you say you have over a million? Over a million, yeah. Where do you get a million snails from? Do you put hot water in the grass on a speed, or how do you do? I started initially with 50,000 breeder snails, and they done exactly what it says on the tin. And along with these little guys, how long do they hang about for? I mean, six months or six years, 60 years? What's the lifespan of one of these guys? Okay. So in the wild, a snail will take three to five years to reach maturity. But that's mainly because they're very fussy little bugs. They pop their head out at dusk, just as it's coming to dark, and they see what the conditions are like. If it's too hot, they go back inside, too cold, too windy, too wet, too dry, too anything, and they go back inside. In fact, they can live inside their shell for three years, and then emerge on the scale. So in the wild, they may only come out to eat maybe once every four days. That's what takes them so long to mature. And I'm reading here as well, celebrities like Jennifer Aniston, Kitty Holmes, and Jessica Alba, they've all hopped on the snail trail, so to say. And it's also very big in Korea. I believe that's where you sourced your little friends. Actually, no, I got my little friends from Carlos, so mine are all Irish snails. There was a snail farmer in Carlos who was rearing snails for Escargo. So that's where I started. I got 50,000 snails from her. And no, all my snails are Irish. All snails are Irish. And I mean, the slime, how do you package this in a cream, or do you mix it with something else? Or what's the story with the, how do you market it? So we harvest this slime from the snails. And then we work with the pharmaceutical company in Italy, who can stamp the products and make it all official, make it all European tested and so on and so forth. So I send them the raw material, which is slime, and then they make the products for me over there. So they're a contract manufacturer of products. And obviously this slime, it has been proved you sent back to Greek days, but on Scientific, it actually does have antibacterial properties in Axl slime itself. Yeah. Well, snail slime when broken down is very rich in collagen, elastin, vitamin A, vitamin A, proteins, enzymes, hyaluronic acid, antimicrobial peptides, copper peptides, whatever they are, iron, allotone, and the next one I can't even pronounce. Anyway, yes, it's good stuff. So if someone had, say, for example, eczema, you would recommend this for that? Yeah. So we have a product, which we would sort of develop, especially for eczema. So our product for eczema is called an atopic cream. And we have taken all fragrances out of it, because fragrance can be there, eczema, eczema, eczema, any scent. So the product is as natural as we can make it. Unfortunately, European law dictates that for a natural product, you have to add things like preservatives. You also have to add things like stabilizers. So when we started it, we started on the kitchen table, and we were mixing two products, which was snail, moosin, or snail slime, and aloe vera. But those two products, because one is denser than the other, they would separate it, and we'd have the two sitting in the bottle one on top of the other. But I mean, we all know, shake the bottle from that and mix it. But in law, you're not allowed to have it so that they're separated. They have to be constantly mixed, constantly stabilized, and hence, the aesthetics of the pharmacy is constantly stabilized. And many, many products have you got, Kieran? Obviously, you've got one for eczema. Do you have different products for different solutions? Yeah, absolutely. I think we're up to nine. So we have three cosmetic products. There was made up of hand cream, a body cream, and an anti-aging face cream. And in fact, I'm a bit weary about this, and I've had complaints about the anti-aging. Some of the ladies that are using it, you know, they haven't had that on the cost with their cost pass anymore. They just think they're too young. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like my sense of humor. On the healing side of the fence, then, we have an air topic cream, which is a moisturizer for your skin. We would recommend that for psoriasis or eczema, or any dry skin, really. Then we have a scalp soothe and a shampoo, because a lot of people have these issues with their scalp, where they have irritated scalp, as a result, possibly of eczema, but many other things as well. And where can you purchase this? Is it online only, or is it available in retail, or if I was looking for it? Sure. Well, we're online, primarily, at braggandbrgnskincare.com. But I have a couple of outlets in and around Monneron, where I'm based, who stock the product for me. But I think I'm going to try to stay mostly online. And these little guys, how long have you been doing this, Kieran? So, we've been farming snails for four years. We bought our first product to the market in July of 2022. So, we're at it sort of. What do you do with your little friends when they expire? What's the story with them? Is there a recycling process with that, or what's the story with those? Yeah, well, there's a couple of things. So, firstly, snail, if a snail lays eggs, or if it breeds, it will pass away, 99% of the time. I'll give you a very brief, a brief outline of that. So, when the snail gets its, when the eggs are fertilized, it carries up to 100 babies in their eggs, just underneath the shell. But as those babies grow, and they consume the egg from the inside out, the last thing the mother snail will do is lay those eggs, and then she passes it to them. But she lays the eggs about an inch down into the ground. Those little guys will consume the outer. It's not a shell, it's more like a membrane. And that's the last thing they will consume. And that gives them sufficient calcium to make the first shell. And that shell will do with them as they mature. Very good. So, it's self-cleansing, self-recycling itself, basically, yeah. Kevin, it's been an absolute mind-blowing interview this afternoon. I mean, when I seen somebody snail farm either, my goodness me, this must be, but when I'm reading about it, I'm reading about Jennifer. I mean, if Jennifer Aniston is using a similar product on Katie Homes, I mean, there's something in it. There definitely is. These guys, and you're correct. It's telling me here that the worldwide market was worth $550 million. And towards the end of the decade, it'll be worth over $2 billion by the end of the decade. So, there's definitely something in it. It's definitely working. You don't have predictions like that if it's not working. So, $2 billion by the end of the decade. And you're in it now in 2023. Yeah. Unfortunately, those ladies are not using my product. No, no, I understand that, but they're not using your product yet, Stanley. Yeah, absolutely. But they are using some similar products, which obviously is good for your product because it's basically saying that, yeah. So, actually, I'd like to say thank you because the biggest customer base that I have outside of my own country, one of them is Donegal. There are an awful lot of customers in Donegal, and I'd really like to thank them because, you know, when you start and the first product or the first order or the first 10 orders are extremely important. But a lot of those, I could say, come from Donegal. Thank you. That's always great to have that. And do you have any orders from around the world, apart from here in Ireland on your website? Markets all over. The US, Canada, Australia, Sri Lanka. This week, I had my first order from Dubai, Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Slovakia, obviously England, France and Scotland, as well as here at home. So I've sent product to all of those customers. That's brilliant, Kieran, absolutely. Kieran, it's been an absolute joy. You're all set for Christmas. You're all set for Christmas. You're all set for Christmas? I have a few orders to get you out of the area. No rest! a pressure? What would we get? That's Keir and Carly from Bragg and Skincare. You get more information on braggandskincare.com. Keir, is that correct? That's right. Thank you very much. You have a good Christmas, Keir. And thanks very much for joining us on the program this afternoon. That's Keir and Carly there from-