 Welcome to the 1878 podcast me pet Andy Bush and David who's on location that's how that's how committed to the show he is that he's on location he's picked up his silver mic and he's traveled to another country buddy you see see what I do for you because it's half term at the moment so I'm not at home I am on a little road trip I'm in Edinburgh in Scotland staying at my mate Graham's place I went to college in Warrington with and I thought I just escaped for a few days and come up here and just have a little bit of a mooch but I'm not daft you see I've brought my mic with me because I'm a you know ever committed pro for this podcast alone and also Everett and her at home against Leeds on Saturday which means it's a quite a nice little stop on the way back on the M6 I'm going to leave here Saturday morning hopefully all be good I'll be outside the spell at two o'clock and then happy days can I can I just ask obviously we can see you here on the video chat day to try and look at your setup are you kneeling down with your microphone on a child's chair or what's the setup here no okay so the setup here and by the way it's taken me and I'm glad you noticed because I've actually spent the last half an hour working on this setup because I'm not in my normal place so I'm in the corner of the spare room which is where I am I'm sleeping thus being the spare room house guest but I have a bar stool which is here which is what the microphone is is leaning on I also have another bar stool which is what the laptop is on but I've had to prop it up slightly with a pillow to create a sort of flat surface and then I am on what's kind of like a comfy corner chair I suppose but yeah I mean yeah this is a kind of sideboard thing here so don't take this the wrong way but you're not on the run you're not on the run no no no no why do I do I look shifty a little bit yeah no I did you forget to pay Sheila yeah you mean Gillian they're all she was no I didn't oh incident she's put her prices up but anyway that's another oh that's fair enough though that's fair I told my barber to put his prices up I just didn't think it would last if he didn't yeah but anyway no do you know I shouldn't talk about that here just on like it is half time for you guys and Baz has gone to ten a reef and I just want your opinion on this because it's not here so obviously you know the commitment levels aren't there yeah yeah it keeps on sending us pictures through to like the the the toffee tv whatsapp group of like you know have a good show boys I bet you know I bet you wish you were here you know with just like a picture of it on a sun lounge or somewhere and just like I don't care I didn't reply to your face message and I ain't replying to your 50th message I just don't care I'm not asked but what I'm thinking is did I do this when I was away and I just it's you know you just don't sort of think about it when you do it you send the nice picture going you know when I was in New York did I send pictures in New York going up I elads this is where I am what you know not like not like trying to be boastful just be like just trying to share the joy or yeah you know which one is it which one I think if I I think if this was Facebook with the amount of holiday spam we've been getting I think I might have muted Baz by now I know if that's the Baz I'd have taken him back off mute when he got back but he's he's certainly spamming us with photos of the latest ones palm trees he's obviously lying down because the camera is looking upwards I don't know if he's had a fall but uh he's as far as the palm trees he's got yeah I think I think he's I think he's I mean showing off is a is a strong word but I think he is letting us know that he is in more sunny climbs and surroundings than than we are certainly it's sunny than it is in Edinburgh that's for sure but you know just by the way I've not been spamming you with you know I could I mean I mean I could do I've got some nice shots of the fourth rail bridge which I took early this morning which I can send through should you should require that that would come across as a cry for help Dave I'd probably give you a fake straight away but the other thing as well uh for Baz right was it fiddling whilst Rome burns Everton are in in a perilous situation and what's Baz doing he's uh yeah sunning himself abroad I mean he's outrageous yeah on Monday he basically messaged about half 10 laughing that it was like somehow he was removed from the situation like suddenly he because he's on holiday he wasn't in Evertonia and it was like ha ha look at look at what that silly team did and pointing fingers at us again for not being in Tenerife and not enjoying the sunshine and having to enjoy not only the British weather in the winter but also Evan and I don't know I don't know how that's possible I don't know that's possible I mean fair play must be having a great holiday if you can actually remove yourself from from from your life or that he takes this job so so much of a job now really just Evan is just part of his job I don't know but fair play to him I'd love to do that I mean I'm I'm the I'm the silly person who went to Florida once and didn't go to a NASA uh shuttle launch and watched Evan lose 3-0 on a in a dodgy bar somewhere so that tells you what I'm like I don't know you say never I'd never do it again but I probably would you probably would I think because I'm stupid hmm but let's take our attention to that Maisie side Barbie Dave um I mean nothing new but it was again once again just another just another night to add to the Maisie side Barbie misery yeah and I think for me we know that Liverpool are miles ahead of us in every footballing sense and and have been for some time but I think it was just a fact that we we didn't even get into them you know we didn't even give them a go we know that they're we know that they're a better side than us they've got better players than us um and obviously recent history would would show that and prove that but it was just a fact that we didn't get stuck in because you know Arsenal are far better side than Evan are you know and and I mean they're years away from us but we gave it a go and that's why we got that result because it was a you know as we keep saying it was the roll you sleeves up it was a get into them it was a dogs a war style performance which we just assumed that would be replicated I mean if ever you know I mean if ever there's a game where you have to be up for it it's a Merseyside's RV so for them to not bring that level of commitment um which for me is a is mandatory you know I mean that level of work like Sean Dice said sort of work ethic and commitment is an absolute must and it wasn't there and wasn't there at any point I mean you know through the 90 minutes and and that's why I just think it was it was just all thrown away it was all just a little bit gutless and and and very much flattening after having been buoyed up after the Arsenal result isn't that just the way it always seems to be it was the same under Frank and it and this is the cruelty of being an epitonian is that you get these battling performances and you think here we go this is it this could be the turning point and then we we absolutely stack it in the next game and they almost looked like jaundice I mean there was a guy who tweeted actually I think kind of summed it up a guy called Peter Guy at get get into this on Twitter and you might have seen this he said Everton produced one of the worst Merseyside derby displays in living memory second to every ball minimum effort era strewn zero attack and threat out battled in midfield poor goalkeeping dire the reality is this could be the last derby for quite some time and I can't argue with any of that it was it was terrible on all fronts and I've watched Pickford's positioning for their first goal about 15 times like I can't you know he saved our ass on a number of occasions but yeah he was just weird that night so bizarre going on with him in the defense and what was happening I found that moment with Pickford so bizarre and I can't explain it that I'm not even going to try and think to explain you know you can you can you can pick up on people's errors in games but I found that so bizarre that I can't even think about it how how he how he even like it's like he just you know I don't know it's it's that thing when knowing you're driving and you just don't see a car in the next lane even though it's right next year it felt a bit like that to me it's like it's unexplainable how he did I mean it wasn't his fault he was three against one but I take both of your points there it's just like both goals though both goals from from us having them pinned in their penalty area that's the worst thing about it and you know go back to that first goal Mika someone put it on Twitter the other night Mika Lenko's positioning for trying to close over on that right hand side when he left the two in the middle there waiting to queue up to to stick it in the back of the net it was just it was back to the Keystone cops era that what we thought we kind of hopefully seen the back of you know I think go back to both of your points again it to me it's um it's only gonna be hard work and roll on our sleeves up that is going to get us out of this situation yeah you know if if if if at all but you're right yeah it is isn't it's only going to be hard work that gets us out and to see a performance like that and that's what really worried me I got accused of being of going over the top after the game about it there was a lot of people telling me it didn't matter we'd already secured three points against Varsal so anything on Monday night was a bonus but I don't know how you can think like that if we'd been beaten you know and we'd given everything I didn't see a team give everything on Monday night and that's what really scared me in Mayside Derby and obviously not having Dominic Alvin doing it again and I go back to the conversation we had at the beginning of the season I mean you Dave both agreed on this is that the boys basically done you know as an as an Everton footballer and we have to move we have to move on from now and and I felt really sorry for Ellis Sims because he was massively thrown in the deep end yeah but if that's the way you have to go forward that's the way you have to go forward I think um did you did you watch long enough well no you wouldn't have seen it but um and let's did you hear Gary Neville's comments right at the end and I thought that actually he summed it up really well in so much as he goes I keep hearing Evertonians talking about well you know when we get Dominic back and Dominic this and Dominic that you know and almost like he's going to come in and score the goals and he goes honestly he goes if you're waiting for Dominic Calvitt-Lewin to come back he goes you'll be relegated simple as that and it's he's absolutely spot on there with anybody that thinks that Dominic Calvitt-Lewin is the answer to our plight um yes we want him back and yes we'd like him to weigh in with some goals but we have got to find goals from other places um without a shadow of doubt we cannot rely upon him and I think I think Neville's absolutely right I think we'll be down if we're pinning our hopes on him but it's all back to I mean we I think we identified this last week we probably talked about it a load of times on this podcast over the past few weeks but it's all good as some park it's going to be down to good as some park this battle isn't it do you know what I mean so um they're going to have to absolutely rely on the crowd again the atmosphere um people getting stuck into tackles and I don't know what's happened to us away from home over over the past couple of seasons it's just uh we just don't get involved at all it's not a couple it is it is um it's years now isn't it it's getting under years of of but you know since since Moise left um it's it's become years and years of just terrible away form I'm relying on that home form and the more you rely on that home form and more more people and more the games change and you're not guaranteed home home wins anymore because of because oppositions tactics and stuff it's um yeah it's it's it's getting perilous and that that really worried me and I suppose now we've got two big home games um coming up um that we have to get secure maximum points from yeah absolutely I mean the they're just going back to the away thing I feel so bad bad about it because you know I've not been to see Everton away that many times I'll be honest with you the people who go they obviously a fantastic bunch aren't they like real die hard to travel around the country to go and watch them so the fact that those that couple of thousand few thousand have been watching such bad performances over the years is you know makes my heart bleed a little bit you know I feel bad for them but no it's huge I feel like we've got we've got an advantage in that we've done our blood sacrifice before the other teams down the bottom so we've got Dyche in and I do still believe he's the right guy that you know my god even if he can't save us this season he would get he's in the best position to take us back up again if god forbid we do actually go down so I feel like we're ahead of like Southampton and Leeds who are now both looking around for managers and all that kind of stuff so I feel like we've got the advantage there but just this next game the Leeds game is just huge because they've got a they've got a correct the the awful performance against Liverpool like you know as Liverpool are on their arse a little bit as well I mean you know it was still a long shot that we were going to beat them but any form of normal performance we could have rocked them a little bit so it's just a huge missed opportunity and you know you're going back earlier on about you look at the Arsenal Liverpool games and almost writing them off wait we've got the three points from Arsenal so we're slightly ahead of where we thought we would be but it's all about progress and performance and the very least you expect from a Sean Dyche team that is to get stuck in and then when that's not there then you start to really panic and we went back to being incredibly slow and you know not very brave with the ball and passing sideways and making mistakes and you know Cody and Tarkovsky at a nightmare and it seems to the panic seems to spread through the team and people are making mistakes left right and centre so I think we've got a horrible little flashback at Amfield about you know some of the darker times of the Frank Lampard era you know yeah that's it's really it's just that hard to explain I just I don't know how you explain going from a performance like that against Arsenal to a performance against Liverpool and you know even like you know they made a big thing about the running stats after the Arsenal game and and you know how much how far we run but we actually outrun Liverpool as well on Monday night but it was mostly just trying to chase them around the pitch which tells you everything you need to know about the game and they showed you the stats of trying to use stats to elevate the performance but you know we I think we can put a line under that now and maybe that's what Shaun Dij needs to say right that's how bad it is that we that doesn't happen again and maybe he sometimes I know it's sometimes it gets in there every time a new manager comes in and you lose a game that's what you use that's your reality the Arsenal game is not your reality that was the reality and we we go from there and and and we try and pick apart that performance and try and lay in from it and and say that's the standard on one hand of Arsenal that's that's the best you can be and on the other hand is Liverpool we never do that again well I mean what frustrates me is that last last season in terms of the fans involvement and making you know that proactively making Goodison Park a bit of a fortress and all the blue flares and all that kind of stuff it was like a humanitarian effort it was like a Dunkirk spirit the Blitz everyone rolled their sleeves up and did their bit to try and help out and you never in a million years thought that here we are again now as we slide into the second half of the season looking like you're going to have to start getting the tin helmets out again and make Goodison Park where all the the the points are going to come from and it looks like we are heading into that situation and the thing that was just depressing a little bit is that the Calvert Lewin thing I think it was like right he's going to come back and when we get him back it's going to be okay but I think obviously him not being available suddenly starting to dawn on everyone as we mentioned a bit earlier on that you know maybe yeah Relan on him is madness and then if you haven't got him then where else you go and it goes back to the absolutely insane recruiting situation during the transfer window that it's negligent and if we end up going down it will be on it'll be on that they have been negligent in terms of not getting in enough cover I mean your job is looking at the roster you know if you're an American sports you've got people who just whose job is just to manage the roster and make sure they've got depth in different positions whether it's American football or baseball or whatever but how can you run a professional top flight you know sports team like Everton Football Club and go into a season with not enough you know dangerously low and thin cover in a particular position like that like we have up front it's mad it just makes me so angry we've gone over the ball thing a million times and it will always come back to that won't it it will always come back to the situation of not buying of not buying a striker it's like every single time it's going to come back to that and I know people question you know why fans protest in these things but these these are the reasons you know these are the reasons not having having to put a young kid out on a pitch on it on a in a derby match who that's like it's he said the kids had two senior starts one was away at Chelsea and one was away in the major side derby I mean so I've got a baptism of fire I mean this is this is where we are as a football club and people wonder why you know people are people are angry about the situation but but they also I mean I know he was forced into doing that but normally when a manager plays a player that's blatantly not quite ready yet in a big game there's normally a signal to the board and to everyone look this is this is what I'm working with here I felt like it was that wasn't what Deitch was doing but he's been you know no I'm sure he didn't expect to be having to play sims just yet you know in what in a massive game like the Merseyside derby like on his own upfront type situation so it's just where we're at and I do I always think back to like you know Deitch getting involved and taking on the job like did he did he know was he told that they were going to try and bring people in and it just didn't pan out or did they were they you know honest with him and said look it's unlikely we're going to be able to get anyone in this window and I just I just find it really confusing I just I find that the striker situation perplexing and it continues to be perplexing and unfortunately it will be what takes us down because you can you can hold on in games like we did a bit under Frank and toughen up and you know suck up the punches the old ropey dope that we talked about before but you've got to land a few punches at some point otherwise with the quality of Premier League teams it's just you know that kind of that flow of attack at some point it's going to get through if you constantly allow them on to you like you know we were kind of doing in the Liverpool games so it's a little horrible you know glimpse into the future I think a little bit. I'm just saying not to think about it in the meantime Dave has as as is the case of Dave being unholy as struck but he has just sent us a nice picture of what the fourth bridge does look like Andy which is um sorry let's have a look which is fantastic let's have a look here one second this come for it there's a look if Dave has taken that photo um that's an amazing picture but it looks looks like he's he's taken that off the internet I'm a little bit concerned we've taken it and face value that Dave is in Edinburgh but he was just in a tiny room I hope he's not being held against this room it could be in any travel lodge anywhere it could actually be getting held hostage for all we know and he's genuinely into the picture which does look like it doesn't look like he took it it looks like he stole it off Google yeah and he's claiming it I mean is that an issue now is that maybe what Baz is doing maybe Baz isn't actually in Tenerife he's just been on Facebook is this a classic you know classic ruse that he's he's actually not in Tenerife and he's just getting gone on Facebook took them nice because by the way Baz isn't none of these pictures by the way that he's took this is something I've just realised he's not actually in any of the pictures so what if what if he's what if he's completely somewhere somewhere else or or you know I don't know I don't even know I'm being picked off because there's a little bit like one of those American Slasher movies where one by one the the toffee TV podcast people have been disappearing so Baz has gone you presume he's he's in Tenerife but you can't see him in the photos Dave looked a bit shifty was in a tiny room kneeling on the floor and then he sent us a stock photo of the fourth bridge and is now his computer doesn't work so I don't know I would just keep an eye out for the remainder of the day to see what's happening here I'm not being funny but this this seems like a Netflix show yeah no like that don't effort don't effort cats yeah yeah yeah this is gonna this is this is gonna this is gonna take um this is gonna take a team of amateur sleuths to go looking for because that's just dawned on me I've not seen Baz in any of the pictures Dave's gone missing he's as you mentioned the stock photo this is uh this yeah this is getting a little bit bad I'm nice I mean yeah me and you me and you tying yellow ribbons round trees two years on from now for Baz and Dave just you know and then maybe doing an artist doing a picture of what Dave might look like now or you know or if they've changed his appearance so if you've seen Dave Vitti if you know where Dave's appear the Dave's whereabouts are even one of those bits on the side of a bus or you know you get the little cutaway section in crime watch where my colleagues in Greater Manchester would like to locate the whereabouts of this man David Vitti was last seen etc that kind of thing yeah I mean that's the other thing if anyone's out there and you have seen Baz and just get a picture with him send the service um so we can and and also Andy but but you know this is what this is what happens over our time I don't get it myself but what would you say if someone was looking for a description of Baz if they are out in the in a costa del crime wherever he's hanging out at the moment would say he looks like he looks like uh is it Dave Sparky would you say looks like Dave Sparky a little bit or short um gray that's just this general yeah um yeah gray yeah sure gray um angry angry yeah yeah a bit angry walking around so again fitting probably very much with with other people uh what's he what was he wearing on holiday Baz I'm thinking sliders uh lonescale shorts I'm thinking like I'm thinking like um you know classic Wayne Rooney yeah you know the classic Wayne Rooney look of you know yeah sleeveless top sleeveless top veins veins to the armpit and then just white underneath all his uh all his Japanese Japanese writing tattoo showing uh and he's got like a serious a serious sleeveless uh Rooney top on yeah I can see that I can definitely see that as he's only sliders to go back to the to the bar to get the daily mail yeah slide yeah slide lollipop is optional of course yeah yeah uh pint of pint of carsberg or carling calls the barman john all the barman every single barman's john if you take a photo with him and send it in yeah yeah I don't know what um I don't know what Dave would be wearing but there you go but listen let's move on from the football for now we were I think we both got this message over over Twitter um about we both stayed up and watched the Super Bowl how was that for you oh it was fantastic I this sounds terrible but I was kind of hoping that it was going to be like by the third quarter that I'd I'd know if one team was done and dusted so I could kind of go to bed but it was such a good game that uh I had to stay with it right the way through and I'm in the time that I've been watching American football that for me is the best Super Bowl I've watched I don't know what your thoughts are were on it pet yeah I'm listen I'm not a massive American football fan but I do always tend to stand to stay up for the for the Super Bowl it's an event and it it was good um it was a good game and it obviously went to like if anyone anyone's ever played FIFA I'm not sure you two are part of the FIFA generation but anyone's ever played FIFA there's a goal called there's a goal called the sweaty goal which basically is when you like um is when you like tease the goalkeeper almost like what happened to us on saturday on monday night it's when you tease the goalie out and then you play the ball square and basically your teammate's got a tap in that's a sweaty and that's also how the Super Bowl finished wasn't it it was a great game end to end and then uh Kansas maneuvered the ball to get the ball in a place where they could get a kick off and there'd be no more time and that it was it was an amazing game but the maneuvered so he would get this sweaty kick and it didn't ruin the game I mean ruin the game if you're a Philadelphia Eagles fan but it just sort of finished on a bit of a meh rather than a real high we get these weird situations in American football where um the Chiefs have got the ball and then they're instructed not to run into the end zone because that means they can kill the clock even better and I've seen the uh uh the the Cleveland Browns is it Cleveland Browns is that I've seen them pull someone into the end zone to make them score but before so that they can get the game going again so that is that that's the only like glitch in American football you can have an absolute head-to-head world of a Super Bowl like that with their neck and neck and then it always kind of sometimes if it's that close ends up with who can who's got the ball at the very end with the last few minutes to go and they can just crunch the clock down and get in field goal right range and that kind of that's how you do it you know I mean so it's a shame that it ended like that but whilst we've been talking about the Super Bowl uh we did allude to the fact that he may have been kidnapped but Dave Vitti has reappeared on our screen so uh yeah Dave we just wanted to we just wanted to clarify this we we've we've just realised that you're in a nondescript room sending us pictures of stock photos not a stock photo I look like a stock photo okay can I can I can I can I just promise you right that I took that photograph that I've just put on the WhatsApp group I took that about an hour ago all right we'll take that as a compliment take it it's so good take it as a compliment right so we've got pictures of you in a nondescript room we've got Baz who's not in any of the pictures internally fished and and we were just we were a little bit worried actually for the safety of of the 1878 FM podcast crew because it felt like it was too down and too to go well listen I I mean for for anybody that is concerned I can assure you now that I'm safe and well I'm all fine I'm in good health I'm being treated well right by by everybody here you know it's like those two RAF pilots during the first direct walk absolutely yeah yeah McCarthy and Terry wait where's your teeth Terry wait Terry wait he was a bit before that he was the radiator one in Libya wasn't he yeah he was high-tier radiator wasn't he he was the other guy McNeil uh no he was Nickle he writes books on on Spitfires because I've listened to his audio book the other way John Mcnickle John Nickle somewhere like no it's not that is it it's not that I mean I mean I feel like we've gone off in a weird tangent now we've gone on to host gone on to hostages like celebrity who's your favorite who's your favorite 80s hostage John McCarthy he was my favorite one yeah I said he now he was a RAF pilot I think who he writes books for sure now I think you what you're doing is you're getting there is the two in like the late 80s that was Terry wait and John McCarthy and then there's the two guys you got caught up in the gulf in the gulf in the gulf war you got caught oh so hang on so I was right so Terry wait and McCarthy they were a double act you know a bit like you're Richie that's it we it was a decade I think we were in the wrong they were in toasties in a cave make the time fly by they were there I don't know whether this is can you imagine I mean I tell you what that's that's that's an idea for a new absolute radio station is is actually you know having you and Richie when you're next off I mean I know that you tend to cover each other don't you you tend to do the sort of the flying solo thing but if you were both off and you got in I mean I don't even know if both of them are still alive forgive me if they're not but you know Terry wait and John McCarthy to actually sit in for you I mean that would be interesting wouldn't it I'd love to speak to the pair of them just I would do they'd be fantastic fantastic very interesting resilient podcast idea just go round and speak to I mean I'm I'm legit it's not even funny going round to other people who had ex hostages I think we should listen there's a Netflix series called captive or something like that which is about famous hostage scenarios and uh it is it's fast I mean it takes me right back to do you remember there was like a combat survival magazine in the in the late 80s which every week had a different was it was in that kind of era where everyone was obsessed with the SAS that's what you were looking the first the first episode to be honest with you it would be less embarrassing to say that you subscribe to razzle but I my cousins were in the military police when I was a kid and they are they used to have copies of this lying around I remember the first one had a big pullout bit about the siege in the the the is it the Iranian embassy siege when the SAS stormed it classic yes good film who dares wins we this stuff I don't know like just this this is a weird time but we were like we were we were this this stuff was like throwing at us when we when we were kids and we didn't even notice like every day in the news there seemed to be a story about someone who's getting kept um it was getting kept hostage it was always a plane being taken over all the time when we were kids all you ever heard was Libya and then then then America started making films like Navy SEALs going into Libya it just seemed part of the zeitgeist all the time yeah in general Gaddafi do you remember him I mean he was a big character in the 80s someone's never told me apparently was he really well there you go I mean that's that's as random as still Sylvester Stallone isn't it yeah but that that that era that that 80s era was kind of like um they used to do hijackings but then people would like just fly they'd fly to like another airport and then do a flag out the window and like get out of there do you know I mean it was like a more a more kind of um gentlemanly time of hijacking sure yeah I mean there was a golden era wasn't it it was a golden era yeah yeah um okay we were talking about the Super Bowl and I just want to so basically I have nothing to add to the Super Bowl by the way this is fine David I don't understand American sport that's fine but I you know for the most part I find American sport rubbish but literally and this is the point I was coming to I watched it on an American stream because I am obsessed with the the adverts and the trailers that come out on Super Bowls so I literally watched I watched the Super Bowl to know when the trailers for films and TV shows that I love come out and also the weird um the weird trailers they have sorry adverts that they have featuring like so so loads of stars so there was one for Heinz Mayonnaise that had um uh John Ham and Bre Brie Larson is it in a fridge and they were discussing why they were there and it was because one is ham and one is cheese and then Pete Davis opened the fridge and said I'm gonna eat you and then when it pulled back it was them just having a conversation in the kitchen and that was if I say like that's the level of weirdness and when you say in a fridge do you mean like in a commercial refrigerated kind of unit or like yes no like in actual like no like like where they'd like where they'd hang kind of dead carcasses and things no no like a like a like a normal person's fridge oh right okay so the idea was Pete Davidson was opening the door and was clearly you know not compass mentors for whatever reason I mean it seems to do the trick which would have a superstar females out there but that was the level of weirdness that they have and they obviously paid like a million dollars to go on tv and they must have paid those two stars three stars and an amazing amount of money to get them in the ad for you and it's so weird and I just love all that kind of stuff because you never ever sort of seen them again and in the old days you would have never seen and now obviously we've got youtube and stuff but would you as well the reason why I think the the Superbowl has become more more pun and more special is that um gone are the days where the FA Cup final used to be like an all day event you remember the FA Cup final was like a day's worth of telly what's the meaning on the bus and the coach and come down from their hotel and head towards Wembley and it'd be like a whole day thing and like now it's like proper filler wasn't it oh yeah like now it's just over a dead quick and it's didn't they shift it until later in the evening and stuff as well I've known it so yeah it's a bit weird yeah but we got a question about this enemy and worse there's another one of the big reasons so Jack Brokenshire on Twitter has asked us regarding the the game he said obviously the the half-time show is such a big thing now and obviously we had Rihanna and it was an amazing show I know a lot of people said wear a bit about the actual thing but it was an amazing put together show and he wants to know who would be our dream half-time show for the Superbowl. Good question wouldn't you like to to transport the the UK absolutely budget hit the crossbar with the ball thing that we do in British football and then make put that in front of the Superbowl have a couple of firemen from from Merseyside's try and chip a ball from the halfway line and hit the crossbar of goal and just watch watch their faces yeah that's an optional or yeah or if we couldn't get Rihanna which is unlikely do you remember and this is show my age um years ago they had Eunice Huthart formerly of gladiators who came and did a lap around around Goodison but she got booed because she was a wreck right she got booed by all four sides of the ground as she went around which was that was a beautiful moment there was also another one do you remember I don't know whether any either of you were there do you remember when there was a half-time marriage proposal and so um and this is when I think this is when Simon Ross was doing the was doing the stadium announces before Graham was doing it and so Rossi comes out hold you know holding the hand of this girl who wants to propose to her fiance who's in the Gladys street right um but he wasn't there he'd gone for a piss at half-time and he wasn't there and they just kind of fill fill time what he's there and he's you know it's just awful awful awful yeah I mean Rihanna I think would be better because we we do we do hard we still do uh entertainment so badly like around football it's an event I always end up on youtube watching the shaman playing ahead of a north undarby do you remember that absolutely that was the best 1992 when we had like the sumo wrestlers and stuff at half-time and they're like the sky sports dancers and stuff like that when they really tried to Americanize it but what's fascinating about like that what's fascinating about the Super Bowl is is like normally the half-times are only 15 minutes but the half-time for this was half an hour and it meant because one of because Kansas's most important play was injured it give them extra it give them extra time to recover because you imagine that in football like like he was like he ended up winning the game for them the quarterback and it was like he ended up winning the game because of Rihanna basically because of the extra time I mean so I'm just going back to the question because I literally want an answer for this by the way you've got 15 minutes of like your best ever artist ever to do their mega mix of hits who are you saying david he come on give me a give me a real answer wow um 15 minutes and they have to be alive yeah no no you can have anyone have anyone well I don't know what the top of my head prince well we've got prince that was only before he was great that was the there you go I mean it's a safe choice because he was great clearly um yeah I'm trying to think of somebody else bit of Phil Collins I saw Phil Collins at the Royal Albert Hall a couple of years ago and he's got I mean he's a bit of a state now he's absolutely fallen apart God bless him but he's got some bangers did he do studio he did see studio indeed his lad on drums or I think he's now the drummer for Sam Fender uh his lads an amazing drummer but he's just great I imagine that I imagine Phil Collins didn't see but it's it's it's it's difficult or rather because he did some good albums and the thing is but you you know if you were driving around in the car and it was a hot day and you had the Phil Collins album on the chances are that when you got to a an area where there might be other people that might hear it such as you know pedestrian crossing you'd probably turn it down because you wouldn't be that proud to be listening to Phil Collins studio live which was a great version though I I have to say yeah so is that your answer then Phil Collins I think that's a good one no hang on that was Bush's answer yeah Dave and I'll go for Phil Collins pet yeah okay well why not I've Phil Collins on his own or with Genesis no that's not Genesis I don't I don't I like Genesis but I feel like just pure Phil on his own Phil that's that's pure it could be like that it could be like that thing of when Beyonce was on and then and then the other two popped up literally to say about five words and then just pop back down again looking all gnarly they could just pop up to sing you know something for two seconds because that's what happens because it's like a weird mega mix and you know bit of mic and mic in the mechanics for a minute for a minute and then just disappear again quickly up for the living here yeah yeah yeah anyway that'd be good I think that would we've got an idea there's the basics of an idea there I mean I'll fire off an email to NFL UK and see what they say sure I'm gonna go you know if you don't ask you don't get it yeah exactly I'm gonna go for um I'd go for either um uh Fleetwood Mach but we haven't got a full set now but I would have gone for that uh or I say one I think does this does fit by the way is AC DC oh now now now you're talking because I remember going to see AC DC at the Hammersmith Apollo in west London now if that wasn't the best gig I've been to and I'm not saying it necessarily was if it wasn't the best gig I've ever been to it was certainly in the top three it was absolutely knockout they had that these big fire cannons on the stage I mean they were just immense and I loved every second I'll give you my rationale as well because they've got so many songs that are in like Marvel films and you only hear like maybe a little thing of them having a mega mix would work perfectly everybody would know the songs like without going into too too deep into their back catalogue which you know obviously um there's is immense but you just get those little mega mixes for and I think that would work perfectly and you can bring maybe get fly Iron Man in Robert Barney Juniors yeah and then all that kind of thing are you thinking the uh Jordy singer with the cap and the curly yeah yeah Brian Johnson yeah the other one no no no Brian Johnson's got to be okay I mean he's a legend 100% there you go I just want before I move on to me last subject before we go I just want to ask you um and the other day I was on the absolute app and I was flicking through the channels and it popped up absolute Kevin oh I can explain this come so what's happened is they have um it's run a competition for one of a better situation haven't they whereby you can have your own absolute radio station named after you and so the winner of said honor and it is an honor is a man called Kevin um who looks unnervingly like Matt Dyson who really does with with Dave Berry in the morning on the breakfast show um and his remit for the station because presumably you had to put together some kind of proposal as to what your station was going to be like a selling point was yeah like a pitch and absolute Kevin is is it debut singles yeah debut singles or singles from debut albums which are stretching it a little bit but it's mainly debuts um I mean yeah we would you if you guys were pitching what would you what would you have absolute what would you go for I still like and and this is this is certainly no offense but I it just amuses me that I would love to have one it's just called absolute bollocks just because I think it's a great title well just terrible songs just absolutely terrible songs worse songs from most famous artists absolutely yeah yeah absolute bollocks just the worst tunes but from some really really laughing no song by Bowie or stuff like that yeah that would be good wouldn't it yeah yeah yeah absolute bollocks just one it wonders one it wonders but not good ones like bad ones from like the 90s or the 2000s with bands like a one yeah things like that my idea which they didn't take on board was absolute radio cancelled so anyone that's been cancelled for whatever reasons done something bad it's just an entire you bring them back off the off the bench yeah yeah yeah you're back in again it's your one shot you're on this playlist best of luck do you know what I mean I mean I can understand their their their reluctance and the other time for some reason yeah and that's the problem with commercial radio isn't it you have to satisfy the advertisers and when you're dealing with people who have been cancelled probably for reasons which are um not particularly public friendly then it's a difficult it's a difficult route to go down like Lee from blue going on about elephants again like Lee just leave it mate it's the second chance don't blow it just on the competitions I thought this to the day I had a really good competition on your and I'm not trying to plug absolute because it's got no reason to anyway but I was thinking I can't I wouldn't be allowed to take part in competitions for absolute would I because you know because that surely surely they wouldn't allow me all day to enter a competition that with you you on the radio station there'd be a conflict of interest there surely I think you'd be all right I think you'd be okay and I think I think I might just about be okay and technically I worked for Boward didn't I which is I probably wouldn't be able to but I think you would probably be okay I mean let's be completely honest back in the day there was all sorts of tomfoolery you should go on all sorts of tomfoolery but like now it's it's very legit like the the one where they win all the money that make me a winner there's like a separate secretive machine that dials out so you can't there's no involvement from any of the presenters or anything like that so you're pretty pretty watertight legally I think so well let's take what we tell what we do pet is if you enter that on behalf of both of us that win me the money and we can you know we can we can divvy up the time and we can do shifts where we have to mount the phones and then we'll just go splits on it at the end I mean they're giving away like 42 50 grand stuff like that and then what we can do what we can do then Dave is we can we can do a show where we're actually live on location yeah we can have like multiple phones and stuff and people can see us that really they don't just look like we're captors but let's just finish on this very very quickly let's just finish on this very quickly so what last week we were talking about conspiracy theories Baz is absolutely bonkers idea that we've never been the moon absolutely absolutely bonkers is also another one absolutely bonkers we're with Baz which David Ike mid mornings welcome to absolute bonkers see even that now even that your people don't know David like spot on what he said but what's going on with all these like things over America UFOs are we thinking the UFOs because the first one we know was a big like balloon that apparently was from China but in the last three or four days it's gone absolutely mad and these things are just getting blown out the sky like imagine traveling all that way across the galaxy to be blown up over like Michigan or something what is going on if it is if it is balloons it's another example of how disappointing science fiction is because we've all grown up with brilliant stories of robots and aliens and look at the state of robots can't even go upstairs aliens the best we've got alien lifeform wise is like some like bacteria or Mars and we've been promised like flying saucers and everything so that's all being a bust a massive bust and then if we finally do get a visitation from a UFO it just turns out to be like a weather balloon which ironically was what the whole Roswell thing apparently was then I feel like we've been I almost want to never touch science fiction as like a genre again because it's just waste of time in it do I mean yeah well I mean what's your general view and this is quite a large question um for a sort of end segment but what's your general view Andy Bush on the existence of other life on other planets I what's the phrase um absence of what makes a heart growth bonder absence of existence isn't oh there's a good phrase there's a good phrase isn't existence of absence no is that the word no why word for it this I don't know I read a book on it right I read this book people subscribe to this don't they know I'm sorry it's incredible but I watch let me go on go on no no I was just gonna say that um there's gotta be something out there do I mean there's gotta be something out there I'm with you I'm with you I can't just be us can it do you know what I mean that's that's the thing yeah because if there are that many planets there's gotta be some kind of lifeform somewhere yeah why would it just be why would there just be life on on this planet and not on one of the I don't know how many planets there are but there's lots I watch I watch a lot of YouTube videos as you can imagine and I watch a particular channel that it's really educational it's like it's done in a really good cartoon way but it's not like childish it's really really good channel um and they do really good videos on stuff like this and they said in the video in a video I was watching about aliens they said we're just far away we're literally not we're nothing close we're ass and nothing basically we're just far away that no one can really pick up any of our um transmissions transmissions but they were like that's a good thing because if we were if we were closer then someone might see us and if someone might see us then then we're and if they can get to us then we're in shit streets basically that's what basically said they were like we are in the middle of nowhere and that's a really good thing like because if anyone noticed us and came then that would mean that they'd have the technology to just wipe us out in about two seconds so be happy that there aren't that there aren't there are sick course of aliens out there but they're just they're just too far away from us and that's a really really good thing that they're just too far away from what the phrase has just come back to me now we go the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence well that was worth waiting for it was worth waiting for the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence absence in terms of just because we haven't seen anything yet does not then conclusively prove that there isn't anything out there and i'm kind of glad that the those things flying around monitoring us aren't proper aliens because then they will have been you know like no you expect when an alien they arrive like in the day after tomorrow that you then start your relationship with the aliens from there but if they've been really listening in they'll have been seeing stuff like the masked singer and stuff like that do you know i mean or that guy tried to sell you know i think that society was imploding yeah exactly that this was literally you know almost like all the incredible developments that as a species that we have done and created and built and whatever and then you know if they were to tune in to that on a saturday night of the masked singer or the masked dancer and they would just feel that society had completely regressed yeah and was just rolling back into you know absurdity after all the all the wonder that's been created i tell you what blows my mind though is is when you think about and i don't think about it a huge amount honestly you know but is when you think about space and the galaxy or galaxies or whatever and just the aspect that this is infinite like there's no because in everything that we understand there is a kind of finite boundary or border or does that make any sense so yeah a city or a town or a country or an ocean or or even a planet you know has a kind of end point if you like and then so to be in a situation where there is no final border there is no final end points there is no line on this whereby if you were looking out into the galaxy or galaxies and you know you're looking towards a planet and then another planet behind it but then that eyeline can just go forever and ever and ever because that is that's mad isn't it that is mad that is that sounds like the final link on your show on absolute radio bonkers absolute bollocks uh davie i've gone away from one playing your hits with a big five at five no i i think a point is good points you know the best know what i like is in in in in in men in black in the first one where i don't have you noticed this but at the end these they come out of earth and it's like whooshing away from earth and basically we're all just like marbles in someone's marble bag and i thought that was a way of looking at it was like it's so big that how do you know what aspect of like what size we are do you know that when you watch it like a doctor suce one of his films i think there's a film where they come out of i think it might i think it might be the grinch and they come out of it and it's basically the they are on top of like a sugar mountain sugar or we could we could be in in the hand of some kind of creature does that make it i don't know i mean i mean it's it's it's getting it's getting a minor tour we're in the hand of a minor tour we're in the hands of a minor tour bass goes away for one week and we we get on a bong and just start pushing the envelope i know but isn't this weird isn't it a weird conversation to be had if you're on nothing more than tea yeah you know i mean at the time of recording it's like lunchtime and we've just talked about infinite galaxies and potentially being in the hands of a minor tour and the mass singer all in the same thing and it almost makes the debacle that was the derby on monday night i think it's irrelevant it's taking my mind off it it really has taken my mind off it there you go i mean there's bigger questions aren't there sometimes there are should we should we end with a score prediction then for this leads game then what's everyone saying it's genuine we we win saturday we lose against villa is what i think i'm going 1-0 ever non-saturday i'll go 2-1 everton um i think 1-0 as well i think we win but i can't see where the goals are coming from which is why i'm i'm i'm reluctant to predict 2-1 or it's going to be close for sure you know but that's why i'm reluctant to to predict 2-1 or even 3-2 or something like that because i don't know where our goals come from but i think we absolutely battle and we we battle like we played against leads last season yes um and i think it's a bit has to be an absolute it has to be an absolute you know firecracker of a game that's katie perry's own channel on there absolutely absolute firecracker and one final thing there's a bit of chat about demari gray on his own upfront that would be uh what do you think about it it's not it's not a stupid idea i don't think because because quite frankly it's an option yeah i think that's a little bit better when he came on in the derby as well he can play on the show on days to be honest with you i don't think he works hard enough but um is there any let me just finish with this is there are we going to get a 1870 fm podcast meet-up at any game this season hey listen i was i was thinking about this the other day i wasn't i was actually wasn't thinking so much about it at a game but i was thinking that we definitely need to have i mean a christmas party would make sense or it would be a long way from christmas but some kind of real-life um physical meet-up where we could i don't know meet halfway in birmingham or something like that you know and i mean yeah but i mean meet somewhere um or or listen we'll just we'll just come up to you know me and bush can come up for a game we got on a friday night or something like that yeah that'd be good well we'll work that out tell you that's for off that's for off it there you go right thank you to the boys uh davis i had a few problems but you know what you came back you came back strong dav just saying that and can i just like to say once again i'm i'm sorry for any technical issues here but but i can assure you once again i'm safe and well i'm being treated treated you know remarkably well by my by my hosts um and that there really is nothing to worry about and i will be back in my normal surroundings uh next week be even better if davis in one of them do you remember in when they got them sailors in in iran they put them in their big suits it'd be great if david been given a big brown suit by his captor do you know the irony of all this is andy your coloured walls and the angle of your camera it suggests you're the one in captivity it's weird yeah it's weird isn't it because it's just slightly looking up there's a bit of a door there's a bit of a egg shelly kind of looking wall it feels yeah it feels just like you've been forced in there you look like the floor and before your old daughter's bedroom that's that's my office at the moment you've got like a fully set up audio room surely there's a unicorn onesie ear pad this is not a professional setup why are you sat on the floor why are you not on a i mean are you like like cross-legged like we used to be in assembly i'm kneeling and this is this is a footstool that i'm doing this on it's so budget the whole thing's just i don't know it's interesting isn't it yeah it is there you go we'll be back next week hopefully all four of us will be here next week as of return from wherever he is i simply don't believe he's in tenor reef but we'll we'll find out we'll find out if he ever comes back will bas ever come back that is the question for next week positive thank you thank you for listening you can watch this podcast also on toffee tv's youtube channel there you go thanks see you later