 Good morning and welcome to this week's edition of Encompass Live. I am your host, Krista Burns, here at the Nebraska Library Commission. Encompass Live is the Commission's weekly online event. Yes, we are a webinar. You can call us that. We will not be offended by the term. We embrace it. We host these every Wednesday morning live at 10 a.m. Central Time. And they are recorded, however, so if you're unable to join us on Wednesday mornings, that's fine. You can always watch the recordings after the show. We have on our website, which I'm showing here, our archived Encompass Live sessions. All of our sessions we have had throughout the years, going back to the beginning in January 2009, are all available here on our website. We have the recordings, if there are presentations, any URLs, any websites, links, handouts, anything related to our sessions are all available here on the website. We do a mixture of things here, presentations, book reviews, training sessions, basically anything library related. We are happy to have on the show. The show is free and open to anyone to watch, both the live show and the recording, so you don't have to have any sort of special password or special access to do any of it. It's just all out there for everyone. And we have commission, Nebraska Library Commission staff that sometimes do presentations. And we do bring in guest speakers sometimes, which is what we have this morning. On the line with us is the library director from the North Liberty Iowa Community Library, Dee Crowner. Hello, Dee. Hi, how are you guys? Hi. I'm doing good. I hope everyone else is. We're doing really nice here in Lincoln. We're actually going to get up to possibly 50 degrees today, if it gets lucky. I'm not sure how you guys are. Well, we have about 40 degrees, so, yeah, I'm happy. That's good. That's better than a high of like 10. Yes, exactly. This is out here in the Midwest. So Dee is on the line with us this morning to talk about something that many libraries are doing, lots of different kind of special collections out there. But this is one that I've seen becoming either more and more prevalent or just more and more known about cake pan collections. To bake or not to bake is our topic, is our title this morning, a library cake pan collection. And Dee has this kind of collection at her library, a lot of them there. And she's going to share with us everything about it, how they get started, what they're doing with it, how it's going on. And I'll just hand over to you, then, Dee, to talk about what you guys are doing there. All right. Thanks, Krista. Yep. Okay. First of all, although I only lived within five miles of Iowa City, my family would kill me if I didn't say, go Huskers. Thank you very much. They come from Southern Nebraska, which is about as close to Lincoln as you can get. So, go Huskers. And as Krista said, just feel free to jump in with questions anytime you would like. And most of this information is going to apply to any kind of, like, unusual collection you want, not just cake pan collections. You can go to our web page under NorthLibertyLibrary.org and look, we're just beginning to get pictures up of the cake pan collection, but you can go into the catalog part and just either type in cake pan as a call number or subject and you'll find all, we have over 300 of them. Oh, I see. It's here as an option over here, too, in your limiters here. Right. Okay. We have over 300 of them. They're listed alphabetically. But I'll talk about how you name a cake pan a little while because that's kind of a strange thing that you have to do. I don't know about getting started. What we did was originally we were in a 1,400 square foot library that was part of the City Hall and Fire Station. And one of my, I had one staff, they used to be called Green Thumb People, but they're called Experience Work People now. I'd gone to another library and saw they had, like, 10 or 12 cake pans and she came back and said, hey, let's start a cake pan collection. I said, oh yeah, okay, fine, go ahead and do it. And I said, as long as it doesn't cost us anything because at that time our budget was not great. So she said, okay, we'll do it and we'll do it by all donations. And at the end of time I have, and I still do have an article I write in our local newspaper in the bookends every month and I just started advertising that and got some notice on radio stations and just kind of the media here all around the area. And that's how we started getting our cake pans donated. It was kind of slow at first and we maybe had 10 or 12 of them to begin with. And then somebody went out of business and donated about 10 big, I mean the garbage sacks full of cake pans. Wow. And thank goodness about that time was about the same time we were going to expand and so we were able to make room kind of for the cake pans at that point. We didn't, cake pans are kind of hard when you first get started to decide how you're going to catalog, how you're going to check them out and everything. And all we did was have a real short list typed up and would check them out just by putting somebody's name down on the list and we checked them out for a week. We weren't automated at that time either by the way. So when we got automated things became a little easier as far as cataloging cake pans. I'll talk about that in a minute. How long ago did you start this then? I've been director here for 27 years so I'd say probably at least 20 years ago or longer. Oh wow, great. It's been around for a while. When we moved into the new library which is in the community center that houses the rec center, aquatic center, conference center and our cable channel, we thought we were big time. We moved from 1,400 square feet to 1,600 square feet and thought we had plenty of room for everything. However, we hadn't thought of how we were going to store the cake pans at that point. So we had the guys from our parks department during the winter when they were less busy just build us some shelves on top of our bookcases to house the cake pans. There was no particular order to them at that point. People just had to come in and ask us if we had that cake pan and we could go in and check to see if it was in and they had to wander over and see if they could find it. I'm telling you it was pretty noisy with the planting of the cake pans but it worked. We're not a quiet library to begin with. So with the automation, we found a way to do the cataloging and we hadn't figured out how to put our code on the cake pans at that point. We made a bunch of temporary ones on a plastic card and we would check them out that way. Any collection like this becomes more sophisticated the longer you have the collection and you learn more about how to do it. So don't be afraid to start one no matter what. The longer you have the collection the more you learn about how to deal with it. So we went in and what we have done now is put a title in the call number which would be maybe Mickey Mouse Small, Mickey Mouse Space, Christmas Tree. We even have these huge cake pans donated that are like the wedding cake pans like the oval and the square. So we do large oval, medium oval, whatever just so that we can give a title to them. And most of them are Wilton cake pans and you can actually go online to the Wilton website and find out what they named the cake pan if you want to go that route. Sometimes their names are a little more convoluted and not as easy probably in the name for the patron to find in your system. Right now we have over 300 cake pans. We've gone through another expansion. We just finished our grand opening in September. We went from the 6500 square feet, expanded to 18,000 square feet. And at that point we decided we were keeping the cake pan collection and we would never get rid of it. And as long as we were doing the expansion and had room we actually now have a cake pan gallery that has little bookcases with slats that we slide the cake pans into. We've numbered each one of those little slots like from one to 300 and something. And on the end of the bookcase we have a rack that has lists all the cake pans in alphabetical order with the number. So you might find reindeer and slot 120. And that has, we've been able to do that fortunately now a lot of people are not going to be able to do that right at first because you're going to do this without having much room to start a collection like this. I am guessing. Like I said, you would have to figure it out. Yeah, I can see that this could be something that you definitely need to think about the space issues for. It's not just another row of books or something like that. You'd need to figure out how to do it. And if you're going to need a special kind of shelving or arranging or anything, I've seen some places where they've hung them up above sometimes. And we've done it in those big plastic bags and hung them on racks that way at first. That is not convenient. Hanging them is okay. I'm saying if you have bookcases, we had a blank wall and a blank. It had the DVDs and audio books and stuff on it. And we did the cake pans above that because it was kind of like AV material. And then at that same time, our juvenile lawyer was actually, bookcases were 63 inches. So our parks guys just built racks on top of the bookcases and they were easy to reach that way. DVD ones were 80 inches and you had to have a step stool to get up to the cake pans. So we eventually learned to store the seasonal ones there and bring those down to a more convenient spot. But now we have a whole room for cake pans and we do have them organized by season like Halloween, Christmas, graduation, Easter, all that are all stored by season now which has helped us a lot. And I want to say that all the cake pans have been donated. We have not purchased a single cake pan. Once the word gets out that you have or starting a collection like this, it really begins to roll. So be prepared. You may be shocked at how fast those cake pans start coming in or any kind of collection like that comes in. I know other libraries do like tool libraries and even seed libraries and things like that. So it all depends on what you think is going to be best for your area and your patrons, what they like. Did you have a question? I just heard some libraries where they started one of these collections themselves and then just community members in the town have purchased a particular cake because it's the character their child wants a birthday cake for. And they know children next year they'll want something different. It's like a one-shot deal. And then they just bring it, once they make the one cake then they bring it to the library and it's kind of an ongoing thing the next year then they can donate the next one that the child no longer was no longer interested in. That's exactly right. People ask, well, did you have a door explorer? And we say, no. So a couple of days later they might bring in door or DA bill because they know that we don't have one and that's the popular one at this point. And one thing that I have had more people tell me is we're happy to donate these to you because they're awkward to store. We don't have any place to store them. You guys can store them and we know where we can get them if we need it. Exactly, yep. It's easy that way. We do have a question on the line. Someone did just type in they want to know you said that you put your barcodes directly on the cake pans. What did you use to actually attach them? How did you do that? That was actually next to my list of stuff to talk about. A little bit about cataloging. What we finally found to do is we bought an engraver and just engraved the barcode number on the cake pan. It's there permanently. Oh, nice. And we don't have to worry about assigning the temporary barcode or losing the barcode or whatever so that is engraved right on there. And I don't know about everybody's cataloging module on their system but ours actually has one that's called Mix Media and it has little beaters on it. Mixer beaters. So that's what we use to designate what the cake pans are. They're under Mix Media. We assign a number. So it goes cake pan and you're showing some of them like Abbey Cadabbey, Cake Pan, Angel, things like that. And then when we go to the title we just put Angel. We don't even put cake pan or anything like that. And the subject heading we'll put definitely cake pan has to go in the subject. But it might be we have a lot of other things like about Mickey Mouse or the Mickey Mouse fictitious character in there or Minnie Mouse or Dorothy Explorer. If it's Christmas tree, Christmas Angel we'll put Christmas in there as the subject heading too. And the thing about these kind of collections is you can pretty much do whatever you want however you want to do it just so it's easy for your patrons to use. The easier it is, the better they like it. I want to say that no matter how many cake pans we have and we in the fall had over 200 donated to us again we did end up giving 125 of them to another library because even with the room we have we still don't have a lot of room for cake pans and we don't keep many duplicates except for things that are real popular like graduation or Dorothy Explorer things like that. So we'll try not to keep too many duplicate ones. That's what I was going to ask about with getting donations is if you have something already in your collection certain ones that are the most popular you might do more than one? Yeah Harry Potter was real popular for a while and we had three of those we're down to one of those and also don't be afraid to weed out as you find that the cake pans are losing the popularity we had for some reason within the space of a year we had four or five Fred Flintstones donated to us we only kept one of them and you'll be the bear they'll be checked out. They don't get checked out much but they do get checked out occasionally. So we tend to keep one of everything at least as I said some cake pans are much more popular and depends on the time of year so we do double up on some of them just lost my train of thought sorry guys sorry that was okay and it doesn't matter how many cake pans you have there's going to be one that you don't have it doesn't but by the time you say you don't have it it comes wandering in again so just be patient don't go out and buy it just because some patron wants this specific cake pan it will come to you and if they want it bad enough they're the ones that will bring it to you after they bought it and used it another thing I would suggest is set the fines high on these cake pans out for a week and we charge a dollar a day they have to have an incentive to bring them back because they tend to keep these for quite a while and we also set our fine limit pretty low it's only 250 after $2.50 you can't check anything out you can't use the computers and stuff so we're kind of mean about that type of thing but setting the fine high gives you incentive because there's a lot of times when the scouts have the cake walks and the schools have the cake walks people come in and check out 20 cake pans at a time and don't get the cake pans back for a week after they're due so that's a dollar a day that may be $5.00 or $20.00 so that mounts up all fast and they learn real fast that they can't get the cake pans back. Get it back quickly, yes. Yes, do that. We have one patron who comes in and checks out cake pans whenever they go visit the grandchildren in Colorado so they can go out and make birthday cakes for them because they go out for each one of the kids' birthday so they just grab a cake pan or two and take it with them as I'm talking about that that reminded me we can also set extended periods of checkout for the cake pans or any other material we have if people ask us and we're happy to do that we just need to know that that's what they want to do and another great thing about this cake pan collection is we have moms and even some dads that'll come in and check out cake pans just because they want to bake a cake with their kids we have parents that come in about every two or three weeks and check out a different cake pan because the kids are ready to have another cake and a different cake pan. That's nice. Some pros is we get quite a few new patrons that have heard about our cake pan collection we have probably two or three calls a week saying I hear you have cake pans at your library do you really and can I check them out sure, come on in get the people in with the cake pans and they find out all the other services we offer and they just keep coming back we can interlibrate on the cake pans that's a little harder to do but we will definitely interlibrate on the cake pans all over that's good somebody had just typed that question in a minute or two ago wanting to know if you interlibrate on them great so how do you have special packaging to send them out or how do you box them up packing stuff around it box them up and send them out I will say that there's some libraries around here that aren't happy with the open access and being able to check out cake pans from our libraries and return them to their libraries because then they have to figure out how to pack them up or get them over here they're in their drop box and they're just not used to dealing with that type of collection like we are sometimes they aren't real thrilled with having to return them to us but it all works out in the long run so you would interlibrate on them to anybody? sure just go on and we would be happy to send them out to you just let us know we probably would need to check them out for longer than the week to include the mailing the time to get through the postal service and if anybody wants if they need to plan ahead on when they want that cake pan so if they need it on January 2nd they probably won't get it now so I would say give us at least two weeks advance notice for getting a cake pan to you this is a collection like I said that's free so it hasn't cost us anything to start this collection and those are the best collections aren't they for libraries? yeah and it's a great service to the patrons because these designer cake pans are expensive they are just expensive we put in as a cost for us $10 to replace a cake pan and that's just because they're donated I'm thinking most cake pans are ranging over between $15 and $20 brand new to actually buy one yeah looking on the here's the Wilton page he's a bear what is this one well this is a more expensive one $30 for a stand up bear we have that one by the way we have the football helmet but here just a plain flat football $13.99 that's more common yeah you can find the cake pans at any hobby store even like Walmart and places like that if you're desperate and need to buy for your collection I would definitely not advise that but you may want to do that we've now just started having donations of the popular ones now are the cake pops oh yes kind of stick and stuff so we've gotten now the ones that are like you can do like six small cakes at a time or the cookie sheets like you can do those six at a time it sounds kind of rude put a stick in it go ahead and then you can do the cake pops or the cookies on a stick or whatever that way here the Christmas tree cookie sheet is that what that would be where you do multiple ones that are tree shaped those seem to be the popular ones that are getting donated to us right now that's really good because like I said those cake pops are amazing things we had them for our grand opening along with the cake and the pops went faster than the cake did which is okay so they're less clean up for us we do at least two or three cake and cookie decorating programs a year because of this collection so it's good for doing programs and getting people in to come to the programs we did one two Saturdays ago with the cake and cookie decorating program and it was a family one so the parents came with the kids and we found that instead of doing cakes or even cupcakes it's easier with the cake decorating classes to just do a big huge cookie that way they can wipe or eat the frosting and start all over to practice with the different tips and everything we do not have any of the tips or anything like that those kind of supplies because they disappear faster than we can possibly keep up with them so we just have the cake bins and I would advise against doing something like that, doing the tips or anything like that too many small pieces there so people tell people who are coming to the program to bring along their own of all that extra anything they'd like to have depends on who you have doing your class now we have some volunteers do the cake decorating professionally and they also it's nice they do the program decorating programs for us for free which is really great but they have all their own supplies and they just bring them so it works in we've done like tea parties and things like that that we've actually done this decorating as part of the activities for the tea parties for the programs so there's lots of ways you can incorporate the cake pans and things like that into programs for you from adults right through the to the kids and the best thing about best pro about the cake pan collection is if I'm more than checking out the cake pans I always say and you need to bring the director back a piece of cake anything but I am good with anything but coconut and I'd say about once out of every five times I do get a piece of cake nice bring a sample to us so we know how well you how you used it yes and we've had we have people bring in pictures of their cakes how they decorated it and everything just something that really attracts people to the library some cons can't keep everybody happy you never have the cake pan they want some people they're just patrons aren't happy basically most of the time anyway it does take up quite a bit of space the pans come up missing probably more than any other part of our collection I don't know getting them checked out and us calling them sending them letters overdue notices and stuff they just don't seem to think that they need to bring them back so be aware of that and I don't know there's just our library I've not heard any comments from anybody else interesting yeah actually someone did just come in earlier and I was going to mention it from library in Colorado says that they have they have a cake pan collection they check them out for free also and they come two weeks and they've never had a problem with anyone returning isn't that strange yeah I don't know and like I said I think mostly it's people that are doing it and checking out ten or more cake pans at a time for a project they're doing I'm not sure about that how that goes and you can never guess which cake pan is going to be the most popular yeah it doesn't matter you know we have six different dinosaurs and one of them there's one of them that's most popular people will wait to check out that one rather than check out a different dinosaur that's available to them I have no clue on why that is like I said if you wait long enough your cake pan is going to come in so I can't remember one other thing I was going to say and I kind of did rush through it so please people ask questions and what I'm going to say is don't be afraid to start any unusual collection if it doesn't work you can always just delete the whole thing and try a different one it's nice to be adventurous a couple of people have asked about cleaning them do you have an issue with them or are you being returned dirty or do you have some sort of process when they come in that you guys clean them to make sure the next time they go out how do you deal with all that we had issues with a couple patrons where they didn't get them cleaned there's all those little grooves and stuff yeah that's the thing too I can imagine they'd be really hard to take care of no matter what and we don't clean them we just we've gotten so we haven't had this in years and years we called them and said you need to come back and get this cake pan and clean it or you're not going to be able to get a cake pan checked out again you know I suppose that's kind of rude but it's effective okay so you it's the response it's just like when they return a book if they return it in any sort of damaged or dirty state they're responsible for returning it the same way they picked it up I see exactly I will say one other thing is we have switched from the Dewey Decimal System to subject-based cataloging and that has helped a lot throughout the whole library but it's really helped with how we catalog our cake pan collection someone asked a question I think they came in late they weren't here at the beginning you'd mentioned adding photos of the pans that you started doing that to the catalogs someone wants to know if you ever considered adding photos or photos of the completed cakes to the website or social media like out to Pinterest or somewhere to like promote the other collection when patrons have brought in pictures of their cakes we've put them on the webpage for a month or so we're in the process we've only got two or three pictures taken because we just found out with our system that we can actually take pictures so eventually we will have pictures of all 300 cake pans taken it just takes forever to do Do you know of any that are in here now that I could possibly find in your catalog to show? No I'm sorry Chad had shown me what they were and I've totally blamed out on what cake pans they are I think maybe one of them might be Mickey Mouse I'm not sure that might be one of those taking a picture of let's see if we can find we got a couple of different Mickey Mouse ones here that's okay let's see if we can find I don't know if I have to go into the actual record to I think you do let's see if there's one I'm not sure they're working on it so it will be there and then what about having them take pictures when you have your programs as well and posting them on your website or your Facebook page or something okay cool I know you do have a Facebook page here that you link to off of your we haven't tried Pinterest yet but that's something we've been talking about so I'm not sure if you had anything here's a cookie decorating event here's something that you did one other question we have come in I'm not sure if you know about this but I'm sure other people may do you know of any other unusual collections they said they've heard of toy collections and puzzles but this one has not heard of tools they've heard of libraries doing tool collections as well and I will say that we've tried a puzzle collection we've tried a tool collection because we thought well people living in apartments especially since we live so close to the university there are probably quite a few kids living here that didn't have tools that was one that we tried and it didn't work and it was just taking up space so we dropped that collection we tried the puzzle collection and we ended up losing pieces all the time and if you have like a 200 piece collection it's not worth it what we've done is especially in the winter we just set a puzzle out on a table in the library and patrons just come in and sit for a while and fill in the pieces where they can and sometimes it takes them two or three days to tune all the patrons sometimes it takes them two or three days to fill it that seems to work pretty good that way a few couple years ago we had someone else on InCupus Live talking about unusual collections like lots of different kinds out there but here's one I did find I just did a search as you saw a library tool collection Grosse Point Public Library and this is very interesting you read this on their page started in the fall of 1943 as a project of the boys work committee of the Grosse Point Club and now they are continuing it and here is all the different kind of tools that they have and they can check out and like you said it's going to depend on what is a need in your community if there's something that people are asking about if you notice I know I think one of our libraries here in Nebraska might be Omaha possibly does the things to test for your electricity and test things like that that they check out I see this one has a battery charger to check out I was city and poor will both have art collections they check out and they check them out for a month and that was popular few years ago but they're kind of not accepting anymore donations of art or anything they are keeping the collection but they rarely get checked out anymore and I know cake pans is something that has become I don't know if it's popular but here there was an article in Library Journal Magazine in 2012 let them lend cake pans but they can just see here lots of other libraries that are doing it cake pans, cake pans, cake pans yeah hey this is our Seward Memorial Library you were just talking about them yeah see now they have the pictures that's cool we also have small cake pans donated to us like the numbers like 1, 2, 3, up to 10 we found keeping those in a large bag laundry bag well not large like one of those laundry bags so they don't get lost wander all over Dora, Darth Vader is another popular one they it's better to keep the small ones we have many ones too many Mickey Mouse, many Christmas tree we keep those all together in laundry bags because it's just easier and less hassle with them trying not getting lost so it has a lot of the same ones here's a set of the fluted molds set of 8 so I'm sure they would all come together and here's another thing the cookie pops that you were talking about here's a heart one we have tried the jello molds tried those for a while nobody seems to want those either they may be popular with somebody else but I was just looking at the horseshoe that was one of the jello molds and we had a big trout jello mold they just didn't go over here so mostly it's going to be experimenting at your library to see what will work for you as usual which one? there's a lamb one and that's a 3D one yes, the one that stands out the 3D ones you have to be careful because they come with clips and what we do is we keep the clips at I'm glad you're showing these because I can remember some stuff I haven't talked about we keep the clips at our circulation desk because like this lamb one it's higher than the lamb one because it has a front and a back we keep them together somehow and the clips disappear so we just keep them at the desk and when they check them out we'll give them a bag of clips to take with them we thought about at one point starting a collection of I don't know what they called equipment things you might need with pets like collar and a leash until you can get one training equipment like that then we decided no, if you're getting a pet you should be able to do one of your own do everything of your own and sometimes depending on when you're getting we've adopted we get our cats from the Humane Society they usually give you some starter stuff toys whatever exactly anybody out there has an unusual collection that they'd like to talk about because I'm sure they'd be interested to try anything to try anything so does anybody else in the line have something that you guys are doing I know we had the one library that I misspoke earlier I thought I was reading off of the wrong thing it was actually a library in Iowa that was talking about how they lend them out for two weeks and I haven't had any problems with having them brought back but as we saw there's lots of libraries doing it anybody on the line who has any sort of special collections you guys have done you can type in and let us know I said no we've heard about toys and tools try to think of any other ones yeah and the seed lending of course seeds we actually our South Sioux City Public Library here in Nebraska did an encompass live session for us and they actually did there's a group called Seeds Savers based out of Iowa where you're from D who is the organization that got them set up and going with that and helping them out with that we also did a session for us at our ARSL conference that was interesting that's something I'd like to try because here in North Liberty they have plots they rent out in the summertime like I think $10 for the summer so it would be kind of interesting especially for people that seeds are getting kind of expensive anymore I think South Sioux City has a lot of heirloom seeds yes they do and with that one I always wondered how is that supposed to work with people who are after they grow the seeds the part of the deal is bring back the ones off your plants to keep the collection going yeah exactly but I was thinking maybe with the patrons we have around here if they donate a pack of seeds we could get something like that started too that would be easy to store I can see story notes that are better than ShakeBand but yeah here's your library Solan Public Library in Iowa says they have a wooden dinosaur collection they aren't for check up but can be reserved for programs they go to many schools and libraries in our area they have over 200 of wooden dinosaurs wow that's pretty awesome yes that's Chris Brown I was wondering if you guys would know there are only 9 miles away from us and Chris has one of her library patrons makes all the dinosaurs for wooden dinosaurs and we've had him bring his collection here to us too for display to kids love it they're not small dinosaurs they're big ones oh wow okay and someone else says a few libraries that know how to circulate telescopes or bicycles oh and the Kilgore Library which is here Kilgore Memorial Library in York, Nebraska has a dry cut machine and various cartridges for checkout as well as Kilowatt home electricity monitor kits to check and see if you're doing most efficient with your electricity we have the dry cut machine I never thought about making that available to the patrons but that's an interesting one yeah we have one that goes around to our library but I started hearing now that some libraries promoting we have this if you want to do it for any of your own crafts are doing at home with your kids or at the school or something that the libraries can provide that yeah so I have a question for everybody out there my technology services librarian is writing and grant hopefully we'll get it to purchase a 3D printer does anybody out there have one and how does that work making it available to your patrons and all that kind of stuff any policy on it question is anybody on the line have a 3D printer we'll give a few seconds here to we actually did we actually did just I'm trying to look at here someone did one of our stuff here says all the ones that they know about are for in library use only that you wouldn't check out the printer obviously they're kind of large nowadays I would think but people can come into the library and actually we did do and here I'll bring it up just making sure I found the right thing we did just a few weeks ago Michael our technology innovation librarian on the line we did a tech talk with him about maker spaces and we do have a library here but Gordon Wyant from Bellevue Public Library which is here in Nebraska that they did also wrote a grant for a 3D printer that they have my concern would be what do you allow them to print like I would certainly think not anything dealing with weapons or anything like that oh sure yeah you'd have to have monitor what's going on I'm hoping that I can get some kind of policy from somebody that we wouldn't have to start from the beginning with that but yeah well look for our Gordon he's very helpful he's our current outgoing president of our Nebraska library association at the moment but Bellevue Public Library Gordon he'd be happy to talk to you about it I'm sure okay I'm going to write that down and then for Michael the libraries I've talked to have a no weapons and no adult items policies oh yeah I never thought of that oh goodness yeah and someone was asking the seed saving for libraries we do have our recording of that for when South Sioux City Public Library was here on the show which was just earlier this year so if anyone's interested in finding out more about that with the recording there that you can go ahead and watch and see what they were doing and how they set up that okay anybody have any other questions or comments or thoughts on cool collections that you've come across okay anything else D that you wanted to make sure you mentioned I think I've included everything if you guys have any questions do you know where to find me well at least until December 31st and I'm retiring but already around here will be yeah that's what you said well congratulations I hope you enjoy your retirement so you haven't until the end of the month to pick D's brain about this I'm sure someone as you guys had this collection for so many years someone you'll be continuing any of my staff not a problem well thank you for having me I enjoyed doing this yes thank you very much start some kind of special collection it doesn't need to be take fans but it's always good to have some kind of collection that draws your patron into your library see what's in what's in need see what people are talking about just out in the community and what they might want or if like you said if somebody suddenly has a set of something like you got a huge donation and I know that tool collection said it was donation too if someone just says I've got this stuff the collection of things and I don't know what to do with it but I'm willing to give it to you and you can say well it's free like yours was let's start it and figure out how to check them out and see what happens yeah and if it doesn't work try something else yep you can always find somewhere else to donate it to like you said some of your duplicates are extras you there's other libraries in the area that you said here you guys can now have one to have your own collection library that has some of our take fans so yeah share amongst everyone in town in the area absolutely exactly like we said we'll be happy to in a library alone but give us a little bit of time to be sure and get them to you yeah that's great to know that if you know in local library doesn't have any of this yet and you're looking for something um yeah take a look at what they have here they own library loaning and I don't know if every library would do that necessarily because like you said there is the cost of ship shipping it and boxing it and making sure it gets places safely so not every public library may be doing the interlibrary loaning but you guys in north liberty Iowa are so Chris says yes thank you D for the ones that you've donated to them not a problem yeah it doesn't look like any urgent issues or questions have come in while we've been here so I think we will wrap it up for the morning this is great do you see how you guys have been doing this and pulling it off I know like I said we've had some people talk about special collections before but it's really good to see the details and the gender and how you specifically did this one and how you're getting into your catalog and navigating the whole process so that was great happy holidays yes happy holidays everyone to order some Christmas cake pans from the library yes except I pick them up all right well thank you very much D thank you everyone for attending this morning that will wrap it up for our to bake or not to bake a library cake pan collection it has been recorded so it will be available afterwards after it processes a little later this afternoon you'll be notified I hope you join us next week when it is our monthly tech talk once a month Michael Sowers who's the technology innovation librarian here at the Nebraska library commission comes on and does a techie or techie related show and next week he has a friend of ours JD Thomas who's going to be on talking about Shogus I'm not sure if that's how you pronounce it but something for non coders to use make things social media friendly from URLs to make it a little simpler they'll explain it all next week I won't be here I will be away for Christmas and just to be aware you can see here next week and the week after and Compass Live is usually on Wednesdays but next Wednesday is Christmas it's a holiday the Wednesday after that is New Year's Day it is also a holiday for us here at the state at the library commission so next week and the first week of January and Compass Live will be on Thursday not Wednesday same time 10 a.m. but it will be on Thursday and we've got that very well notified there for you so just to be aware of that next week we still have our tech talk just bumping it a day ahead and our one for the first week in January beyond Mark bit frame and the future bibliographic data this is Emily Nimsakant our cataloging librarian will be doing a session same thing it will be on Thursday rather than Wednesday because we are closed after that we go back to our regular Wednesdays so hopefully you'll join us for our future shows thank you very much for being here today and we'll see you next time on Compass Live bye bye