 This is the splots and site templates session And we'll also actually seamlessly lead into us Taking the last Q&A of the day and wrapping up day one of domains 101 So I wanted to tell a little story about Something you may or may not have heard about called splots It's a terrible acronym kind of like D. O. O. Oh, right like and and actually it was the idea I think for splots was born out of a conversation between Brian Lamb and Alan Levine at Thompson Rivers University in Canada. So it's another thing like the MOOC that came from Canada and One of the things that's interesting about the splot and the kind of philosophy behind the splot as I understand it I don't know what the acronym actually stands for and if you're looking at that site there You see it Kevens constantly changes to a different acronym, which I think is funny But the thing about the splot was a lot of for a lot of folks at TRU and Brian Lamb saw this as an issue They would install WordPress. They'd be faced with hello world and they wouldn't know what to do Right, it would kind of be like all the options all the possibilities were paralyzing and so they Kind of would be like oh, WordPress is too complicated or they would do the hello world and run So they were like is there a way where when someone installs a WordPress instance? some of the work is there to guide them to Basically have more than just a blank canvas, but the beginnings of an application or a site that's fully functional And so out of this kind of discussion was born some of the early splots And so I'm gonna go and show you the the sites here And you could see them that there's a bunch of different splots that might be of interest There's one of my favorite is called the true collector now I'm not sure you all can see you the true collector there, but the true collector is an interesting Splot it's a WordPress site that Alan Levine has programmed Using custom programming to basically allow folks to add something to a collection and he has a great write-up of it and a bunch of Examples and you can find this all at splot that CA, but I'm gonna show you one that I think is pretty cool and Maybe you'll feel the same way. Maybe not But let me find this Well, we didn't do it this time, but let me go here and find the tech collect. So this is University of Colorado at Boulder is using a splot to allow people to share an Image and some descriptions of a particular technology like for example WordPress. There's the thing there You can rate this technology You can add details and the nice thing about a splot is anyone can do it The site is set up so that if I click this collect button I can go in there I can title it and say reclaim hosting. This is you know Self-aggrandizing Jim groom right here and then I can put an image in of it. I could write an alt text for the image I could say who I am I could put a description in of the technology I could link to that technology or give myself credit Choose of oh wow do I was already selected but choose a different category and then Check and review so someone will get this submission review it in the say Oh, this is a great addition to our collection and I really like these sites That are allowing people to contribute and collect instances on the fly I think another great example of this and I'm going to show this with TRU writer Which is a similar tool, but this is more focused around particular writing examples and one that I really found compelling Was OER and other languages so Tannis Morgan who's working on a British Columbia writes or created a spot and was asking people to submit OERs that aren't in English or in various languages besides English and so you have this tool here to submit All of that information for this kind of site So this site can become a database of tools of OERs and other languages quite seamlessly No one has to know how to log into WordPress. No one needs to even put their identity It can be anonymous, but it can be reviewed and kept safe So these tools are pretty powerful for being very simple all of this is up and running You just customize it with your text and you have Basically a tool that can highlight collections can highlight writing resources A lot of people use TRU writer for basically like a literary magazine and it has some really powerful uses Probably not the best use but a personal one when I was trying to actually explore this is I I'm sometimes on the radio sharing broadcasts and I have no place I can put those broadcasts But using a TRU collector I can just create a simple database of Different posts with the images of the album or whatever music I was playing The recording of that session and the description of when and where and I have a kind of Database of my radio shows throughout the pandemic that lasted for you know a couple of years And I found this a very interesting tool and I imagine based on your usage You would also you know have a faculty or a staff or some other student who might find a tool like this useful So this is a good example of a splot Three other splot tools that actually have one click installers and wordpress Are and I actually might be able to just jump in there. So let me go to state you real quickly I'm gonna show you this and Lauren in a couple of seconds is probably gonna jump in or even a couple of minutes and show you this in more detail But I just want to show you that when you go into your WordPress or your cPanel and you look at all applications here One of the things you'll quickly realize is those featured applications several of them have spots So these are one click installers of TRU collector TRU writer and then these three spots Which are pretty cool. They're basically Predefined or templated and Lauren will talk more about this portfolio sites Where people can create their own portfolio very quickly in a template predefined in WordPress That's the good of it. It also could be the bad of it Given a lot of it is predefined and you might want more freedom Which means you can always change the themes and plugins and get out of that template But I do think these splot tools are really good starter Possible sites from folks who just want to get up and running who want a really quick kind of Introduction but don't want to spend too much time really digging in on WordPress. These could potentially be valuable I love playing with them. I think they're nice Alan Levine does a ton of work and deserves a ton of credit Supporting them also keeping them up to date. They are their own installers like once you install them You've installed the splot. You haven't installed WordPress per se. It's a separate installer But they are quite elegant and he does a great job of keeping them up and running So that's a kind of insight at splots. I'm gonna let Lauren now show you actually how to Run the splots how to install them and then also how to look at templates and talk about what they are versus splots So Lauren over to you great and while you were talking I actually just transitioned to my screen share on the same window. So hopefully we'll make that as seamless as we can So while Jim talked about splots, which are truly Custom application installers for these templates and you can see them right there We have kind of a DIY version of that called site templates and it's very similar Concepts right because really these splots are essentially it's not an empty application install that says hello world, it's pre-generated themes and plugins with you know Dummy content so you can really understand the potential of what these themes have to offer and Each of these spots does have you know an end goal in mind So a writing intensive splot or a collector splot as Jim mentioned you can create your own So if you want to create something that's you know does something else maybe for a photography course or a great example that I heard a While back was you know a biology course I think they needed a way to to publish their research in a private way So they created a password protected site template Because the students at the time weren't necessarily You know concerned with the site design They just needed a place to get up and running and publish their content as quick as possible So you know you might have your own Reasons to create a site template, so I'm gonna show you how to do that today Okay, so from the same cPanel page, I'm gonna go back to my applications and we're gonna use the same Application installer from earlier today. I it's I love domains. State you org and I've named it workshop site template So let's say I'm an admin. I spent some time configuring this site I installed some plugins and themes and I wanted to make this version of the application Available for anyone else to install on the server. Um, or you know this version of the site So pretend that I've put a lot of time and work into getting this ready to go to be templated I'm now gonna hop over to the server And how so we're in WHM. I've searched install atron applications installer in the search bar and I have searched for this particular application and You can see if I hover over some of these options There's a star icon here the cult that says template. So that's what we want to click Um, I'm gonna name this workshop site template So let's say I've made a site for someone to run their own workshop, you know So we'll call it that and maybe this is for you know I don't know course 101 So, you know, we want to kind of give it a little bit of a description or this is could be for x y and z whatever you want That to be we're going to click template So you can see it's basically taking a copy it's copying the database and and files Directories it's doing all of that. It's truly capturing a snapshot of the site So that's worth noting if I after this is done Templating if I go back and make changes to this original install Those are not going to come over in the templated version. It is truly a snapshot So it's very easy to re-template sites. You can see that this has already been complete So I am now going to pop back in to my cPanel account here as an end user And let's say I want to go and I want to install this site template So I'm going to go back to WordPress because it's a template from the application That's how cPanel handles these I'm going to click install this application And let's say I'm going to set this at workshop slash workshop, right If we scroll down here, I now have the option give me a clean WordPress install Let me see if I can make this a little bigger Lawrence template a previous one and now I've got that workshop site template available right there So that's how easy it is to create your own site template And then of course I would scroll down and click Install at the very bottom and that's how I would install someone else's site template I do recommend if this is something that you want to do And you want to manage, you know multiple site templates. I recommend creating a separate cPanel account specifically designated for site templates that way when you're going through an archiving sites later on down the road, you know, you can always uncheck this box for the cPanel account that's managing other things So I find that that's helpful or you could put it in the main cPanel account for domain of one zone. I just like this, you know, having them defined or designated to a certain location and organized there is probably best So if I wanted to make changes to this template or see the other templates that I have that can also be done at the server level too. So we're actually going to go into install atron settings And we looked at this earlier under access control that's obviously where you would go to see all of your application installers Where we're going is to templates a little lower down and let me see. Yeah, my window is blocking it. There we go We're going to the templates section And install atron templates are categorized by the application being templated So you can see there's a few here, but if I scroll down to WordPress You will see those application templates that I have created So I could go through for instance and Un-template it and says are you sure? Sure. I don't know if un-template is a word, but we're going with it And so that's That's probably better to be fair. My spell check always yells at me when I say deprovision But we've we've said that more than once today So that's as easy as You know, it's very simple to do this. I have also Written documentation for this as well. So know that this is available and something that we are happy to share The other thing I will note here too. Just while we're going Is that you know, just kind of I guess Sitting for a minute on you know, well, what if I wanted my template to look like one of these You know, I want it to be featured and separated. I don't want to kind of be Hidden in the umbrella of another application This is much more manual. This does require a lot more work to create a separate application installer And then from there you have to keep it updated. So it's a different sort of Relationship not only to offer it but then to maintain and keep it around So if that's something that you wanted to do we we do have instructions and A space where that is that's an option You can create a custom application installer You can work with our infrastructure team to write and build your own Application installer either for installatron where we just were or for reclin cloud So both of those are an option for you. It's just a little more advanced a little more involved So not something that we can just say sure any site template that you want to create Let's just make an installer. It's it's a bit more complicated than that. So this template Is a really It's a nice middle ground for us to be able to say, okay, if you want to provide You know an entry point for your users to get up and running and to not be I don't know deer in the headlights with the hello world like sometimes that's the hardest part is just knowing where to start and I feel like with site templates If you can see the demo content there and you can see the potential of the themes You're you're really pushing the thinking forward for beginner users in a way because you're instead of saying What what plugins do I use or what themes do I use you're suddenly thinking? You know, how do I change that text right there? And I want to change that color to something else and then you're already in Customizations or thinking about plugins in a different way And so I find that site templates are quite useful. In fact, this is probably one of my favorite parts of domain of one zone so I hope this makes sense if there are any questions in discord or You know, I'd love to hear them I think we're actually going to have a little bit of time tomorrow morning just to show more examples and If you you know, I do encourage you to play around with this and maybe you know Think of ways that this might be useful for you And your domain of one's own community and if between now and tomorrow morning you kind of are able to Start a rough draft for your own site template or something We will have an impromptu show and tell time tomorrow and it would be awesome to see those So and it's interesting too. I mean that was very useful and I think one of the things that's worth talking about with Splots versus templates and I don't mean to put them at odds to each other But the differences are Splots like lauren pointed out are are kind of full-blown applications built on top of wordpress, but like they're using plugins and themes and Alan has done a lot of custom coding to make it all work So it kind of stands alone as its own entity Whereas the template is something that you know Say 50 students who are going to have a particular class need x amount of plugins and x amount and the theme And you want to save the faculty and yourself time with some of that troubleshooting is Like okay. Here's the nursing 101 template for all those students who will be recording x amount And that's done And it maybe isn't something that it's abstractible or you need to like put in github and make a full-blown application But it's super useful for you on the fly to get it done That's where templates are super powerful and fairly easy to make it install atron as you pointed out Yeah, so and and while you were talking here, jim. I was just kind of working behind the scenes Because you know, I always use wordpress as the example just because it is so popular so many people Kind of gravitate towards wordpress because it's a comfort zone But you can do this with other applications, too So if you have an omeka archive with a lot of Things are already configured or again demo content That's already in there to help beginners make sense of some of this You can do that for other applications So I just installed a site Called omeka template and it's at ilovedomains.state.org slash template So i'm going to copy that and i'm going to head right back into applications here and search for that And i'm wondering if the spacing is throwing things off There we go. So same way. I could take this Star it. Yeah omeka template. So we're doing it again here. I'm mostly just Filling time to see if there are any questions. So if you have them, please let us know But this is nice, too with omeka because omeka is one you still have to ftp Or you can use file manager for plugins and themes But like, you know, I could see if you're having students use it You might want to pre-populate some of that stuff and it's ready And it's up and running with whatever plugin or theme you want them to use Yeah, I just I sometimes get writer's block or just You know, it's hard to get started. Um, and I really wish I would have had a spot or something When I was unpacking these applications for the first time Just because it's a it's a much quicker entry point. I think and actually it links again to a session that we'll be having tomorrow And I know edbeck has talked a little bit about like what does that mean for like premium plugins and premium? Themes and that's a good question. I mean, I think every premium plugin has maybe a different Kind of licensing around how you share We do have access to gravity forms that does allow us to maybe build tools or templates on top of it Right because it does a lot of what the custom coding Alan Levine was doing with these, you know, true collector and true writer And so tomorrow Tom will highlight a bunch of the different tools He has created using gravity forms that in many ways Beautifully kind of dovetail with our discussions around site templates Splots and making these things easier for folks to get involved in And add content or build site projects or class projects or you know, whatever it is research centered projects I do think gravity forms people like I think we were talking with mo and mo was like I don't really like, you know, I'm trying to get my head around gravity forms And I think you hear form and then like you're like, oh, it's a form But what you don't realize is that's actually a way to create a dynamic website with You know a series of very powerful tools to make it easy for folks to contribute to that site And show it in powerful ways So it is a form but I think forms you forget drive what we do when we post anything on the web So very kind of cool to think about that And I think this will dovetail nicely with Tom's session tomorrow on gravity forms So stay tuned for domains two or one as well totally And again while you were talking Jim I just installed the templated version of omeka as an archive and for anybody that was watching a little closely You might have seen that error at one point That's actually because I'm working in a state you demo server and we limit all cPanel accounts to no more than three installs So because I had three and I tried to install a fourth. It gave me that error That's not something that you should see in your own cPanels unless of course you have those similar limitations Um, and we do have a question from Tierney and I am going to bring it up And thank you for the question Tierney. I'm going to add it right now But here it is and Drum roll, please yes so Tierney is noting that they currently use templates for standard installs of most used applications Definitely looks like there's a lot of value in creating templates for some more specific use cases And so they're they're curious about how and I guess I cut that part I think that I think the banner does cap at a certain Character limits. So basically institutions find themselves using regularly. Is it for classes portfolio templates, etc How are they using templates, you know, and I that's here. Yeah, and I think we've gotten the question one of the Natural questions that comes from these types of conversations is wow It would be nice to not recreate the wheel and to be able to share these templates amongst servers I do have a guide up on sharing spots between servers It's in order to do that though. You need root access to both servers. So it's something that reclaim hosting can help with given Two domains schools would not have root access to both of their servers The the other thing you have to consider too is these are templates on a single WHM instance Meaning if you are a larger domain of one's own school and you have more than one server You do have to template them on each server Again, something we can assist with But that's a case where they would have root access to both servers So we can either help with it or if they want to do that themselves They could yeah, and then in terms of sharing site templates amongst Institutions, I think that's a great idea. It's hard in it's it's cool in theory hard in following through with that because it is manual to You know move site templates from one server to the other that's said I think there's probably an opportunity for us to have maybe a true collector spot for instance Which allows people to submit site template Example sites exactly and keep sort of a repository of different site templates out there So an admin that could then come to us and say hey reclaim I'm seeing this Example online from an admin who gave permission for it to be there and be used Can you put that on my server in which case we could say yeah So I think that's probably a to-do list item that could come from this workshop And also good It's a good kind of feature of reclaim that tech is are you using to your point tyranny? What are people using how are they using it and can we collect some of that because I think people are But we're not capturing it and we can and and I think that you know Not only directly sharing in that way where we could drop templates on servers between but even just What is your cookbook of wordpress plugins right like this has come up multiple times and also in the context of themes In community chats and plugins as well and you know, I think even um Like I like I've one I've heard that multiple schools have is like a podcasting Site template and I'm always curious which okay. There's a few wordpress podcasting plugins and I've used like I don't know. I think it's like simply podcast I don't remember the name of the one I I've used but There's a few of them and so I'm always curious to see which one are people liking because in many cases That's all you really need to know is okay I am familiar with wordpress But what what have people run into what is the first place to start with some of that stuff is super helpful the other thing I will mention that um And I'm mentioning this as sort of a word of caution is you know You also could use like something like updraft Plus or all in one migration wp migration to make like a backup and keep that file And I know that alan has used that method to Distribute some spots before they were like available on reclaim servers and that's good, but I just want to be Uh, because I'm sure people will think of that as my point and you can totally do that But you have to be extremely careful about what's in there because in those cases That's a complete copy of the wordpress site including admin credentials And email addresses and user profile information So you really don't want to throw that just out on the open web without being careful and um very Diligent on making sure that there's absolutely nothing in that backup that is You know is not okay to be public information. So I'm mostly saying that is to More because I'm positive the types of admins that work with domain of one's own We'll think of that and some will try I it's something that I did when I was in admin And I put it out there and was immediately like oh man There's like four email addresses in there people that I don't want to dock some Those migration plugins will do a lot of the work But some of those like configuration settings don't always transfer over the same way and so it is tough But again, we can help with some of the the moving the heavy lifting between servers I think there's been some cool ideas coming out of this session I do know that we are wrapping up soon and we're going to transition In this window So if there's I do have one last point. It's all right. Yeah So one of the things that came up with with splots or you know True rider true collector Which are two tools that I think just kind of lend themselves to usage in higher ed very quickly and I applaud Alan for seeing that and building them is John stewart of university of oklahoma was noting that one of the cool things that would be A nice element to reclaim ed tech or just in general for the educational technologists more broadly doing some of this stuff It's kind of like a bio page Where maybe there's a discussion with folks around, you know people who are in the field around what they're doing and how they're doing it But then they know they they willingly put a bio of their work and what they're good at And it whether it's private or public or we control that like you know having people where they kind of Use a site like that to highlight their interests what they do what they're good at And then also talk a bit about like, you know, what are they doing in ed tech? How'd they come into the field? Like what are people's stories? And he taught it like almost like, you know biography like of ed tech, you know Folks in the field folks starting in the field just so that other folks who are coming into ed tech Have a sense of how people got here and Yeah, and I know that this I don't see discord as a full replacement for something like that because obviously I think you need different mediums for telling your story beyond a Tweet length bio as in your discord profile, but I like that Discord could hopefully become a helpful space like that over time too. Just naturally Yeah, or even using that as a way to collect people and get their stories and then put it in the site That might be accessible for folks, you know to see who's doing what and where they're doing and connect them And like because that template idea reminds me of that Like what are people building and how are we knowing what they're doing and the cool things they're creating? And allowing us to kind of a not only hear their story, but then see see the work what the work they're working on Will be super super cool. Anyway, there's a lot of possibilities I think within true collector or true writer or just sites that basically allow other folks to contribute easily With very little hassle and I like a lot of the big push behind the spots Which I really loved was you could reclaim some anonymity Yeah, you didn't have to be known through your email like you could decide I don't want to And that could be always anonymity as a double-edged sword, but for these students in British Columbia, I think it was a good thing. So absolutely. Well Can I do I have permission to transition now? Okay, so anyway, if you've got site template examples or if you start working on one in the next little bit Please keep that in your back pocket for tomorrow or wishlist I wish I if you've got an idea for a site template that you wish exist. I'd love to hear about that too Yes, tomorrow we'll be doing a and a show and tell and so we'd love to see some of those examples because we know they're out there and There's no way that we could see all of them or know all of them. So I'm looking forward to that tomorrow As we switch gears for the rest of the day and wrap up and do some last minute q&a I think we're going to stay in this session. We're just going to Maybe have a two minute countdown. Uh, and then we'll be back here in a second. See you then This is how the account of the last five hours or so. Um, a how you doing and b you have any questions We cannot hear us and c can you hear us? We were muted for the break Oh Okay, it's all good now. All right, so take two Sorry about that. Welcome. Thanks for joining Yeah, what did we say nothing important? We're just saying it's the last last little bit of the day, right? Um, so we're kind of Wrapping up questions break time banners going We're still fully in break mode. I think we I think I got distracted from the dance break. I turned it off But yeah, wow, we had the break banner. Thanks everyone for having our bag Yeah Yeah, Doug's like it's good now amateurs M's like, yeah the batter's gone. Let's consider this a learning experience for tomorrow Yeah, we have uh, we um, maybe maybe it looked like um, we knew what we're doing here But in case you thought we did you did so good all day In the final hurdle. Yeah, I couldn't even have unmuted us. So that's where I'm at in this technical Layering so anyway, um now that you can hear us We would love to know Relevancy that's the next time I'm hearing about anyway. Yeah, I was yeah, that's right. But um We'd love to hear if you have any questions any things that we didn't cover That you were like, hey, you got a couple of minutes. Can we talk about that? I know one that we mentioned it didn't dive into but if we have a couple of minutes I wouldn't mind is you know, how do you add X amount of users to a c-panel account so more than one person can access c-panel That's a potential one we can look at that's useful But I want to hear more importantly Questions from you because if you don't ask them we'll feel avoid with my boring c-panel example Right, you don't have to say right to that You don't have to agree or even just goals for tomorrow So if you thought today was going to cover something that we didn't and you're like, wow I really want to make sure we have time for that tomorrow Yes, you know, that would be helpful to know as well I'm gonna bring up that c-panel example Uh, just because perfect That's one I can speak to Monica said just saw wordpress released 6.0 Do you know anything about this update? I heard that it was released recently. Um Yeah, that's I mean, it's a good point though about Application updates because that's actually not something that reclaim hosting manages We are at the mercy of installatrons timelines for pushing out those updates So once the application releases an update it then goes to installatron to test that update with their installer Once they go through their testing they release the update to us So it usually is a little bit behind that Initial release, but it's something that we're tracking and if you ever want The most up-to-date knowledge on those timelines. You can always reach out to us And we'll also be putting that kind of information in our monthly newsletter called reclaim roundup It looks like wordpress 6.0 was like released for the public today Yeah, so that means installatron will be Getting it soon Yeah, and we always know when installatron is doing those updates because Servers can slow down given the amount of the load of actually just dealing with you know, yeah, because if you have Automatic updates turned on installer prawn will automatically update every site with that setting And sometimes it tries to do it all at once Yeah, and so you get hundreds of application installers trying to update on the server and it can weigh things down a little bit So usually around those times our infrastructure team is monitoring things pretty closely No, it's a tricky compromise right because in installatron you actually can tell installatron Like to limit the amount of tasks per user and end per server But if you set that limit low then what happens is the site is just kind of slow for days instead of A little bit more slow, but for a short amount of time. So it's it's a really weird thing to manage Yeah, so okay, let me go here and find my other window so I can See where I can share this great So i'm gonna share this and then you all can help me you can you can take me through my process Sounds good. I'm sure it's imperfect. So one of the questions that came up was How do I in whmcs add more than one? account to a single c-panel instance So the idea is can you have different users both access c-panel? From their respective accounts when they log in they still have access to c-panel and the answer is yes, you can And how to do that Is you would actually so here's my c-panel or whmcs? instance In state you we've been using I love domains that state you org And this is my account if I wanted someone else to be able to add themselves so that they can log into this account and I could think of an example or you would basically Essentially add a new order for that user But you'd be in the the other user's Client profile. So let's pretend. Do you have one? I could go and see if I could do it. I'm sure I have An account. I've probably terminated different profiles and things. Yeah, there you go So you have to yeah click on my name there This is the new I know I'm not used to the new whmcs. I'll be I'll be clear here I click where here. Yeah, there you go. Click the client name. Exactly So here we are and so I can add a new order here for Lauren And I can make the service be you know a state you domain or you know, I guess we'll do that And we'll do it. I love domains And this is a good state you org now notice. I'm just adding the same Account, right? Right. This is a good point to acknowledge that this is not a domain registration Even though you are Technically giving someone access to a domain. It's a product or service for whmcs. Exactly. So if I submit this Now, right? This will create a new username You're going to want to uncheck that create module because that would essentially recreate the account Exactly and since we are just we don't want to recreate it. We just want to give access to someone else You really don't need that. Yeah So we can just accept the order beautiful and then if we go here um When you log in to your account and I might be able to do this under your products and services Right, you'll notice that there is one. I love domains that state you under Lauren's account and There is a way to log into cPanel and I don't know if that will happen here But I think we need to change the username and the password to match the one for jim group Yeah, I would click change password. That's true. Yeah, I think so. I do have to do that The credentials are going to be the same. Great. Um, and it's also worth noting while jim's kind of doing this that This is our work around because cPanel doesn't let us do it So it's true. There are some things like if you're both logged into the same cPanel at the same time in admin roles You know, you might not be able to access the same page at the same time Like some of that simultaneous work can be a bit quirky With this so just keep that in mind that this really is a workaround and for the most part It accomplishes what we need it to do But it's just what we have to work with given cPanel is Just unresponsive for this request. Yeah, they will not let you have multiple admins I think it goes against their entire pricing model. It does exactly So I actually found it. I'm going to put in the right password I'm going to put in the right username. We have a question from mo in the chat while you're doing that Perfect. Yeah, I was going to say, um, if multiple people have access to a single cPanel Can they all use single sign on to get that cPanel? That is correct. That's what we're doing So these client profiles that we're working in are associated with someone single sign on credentials. So When the next time they log in with their credentials, they should they will see the cPanel And if they don't something's broken and we can help you fix that and we can look at this after that But I changed the username and password to be the same as the original account in lauren's account So the one in mine has the same username and password the same domain I'm going to now sync the account by clicking change password It will say change successfully And then when I go into state u I should be able to mask as lauren or myself and see To a lauren would see more than one account that she can basically drop there's a drop down where you should go That's actually good. Go masking to lauren and show that off as well You'd want to see if I have two products in my in my whmcs profile. Let's check I think like if you don't you only have one So it's just going to show that cPanel account if while we're here we wanted to give lauren access to a second cPanel You could create add new order Just like what we did and create a fresh cPanel account for the user and that's how we go about Giving someone access to a second cPanel. It is manual and that we're doing this now And that's just so an end user can't do this on there You know by themselves You can also uncheck those boxes above gem for order confirmation generate invoice all that stuff Yes, and then submit submit and then this should allow us to I will do the run create and send welcome email And then accept order And now the big moment of truth, which I always love doing this live to see if you know Yeah, because I was going to say on the demo server. I'm wondering if we have that Probably don't That of the cPanel account switcher that I was going to pull up from my time at s and c If you want me to show that yes I think it's also a little bit imperfect because I'm realizing I did it Let's try it on the demo site and just just oh for sure. We're gonna try it. Yeah, that's right The demo site is up to date with At least some things Well, it's up to date, but there's some custom code that makes that switcher work Yeah, exactly. I mean, I was wondering who was up to date with that You can see all my tester accounts. Is it this one that we added it to it's one of the brumfield ones Let's see It worked. Yeah, look at this Things there so and it was a lot to get there But the I love domains and lauren loves domains They're both here and you'll notice we're defaulting to I love domains and that might be because it's on top But you can actually go here and you can get into the other one. It's pretty it's a nice Tim figured it out and it's a nice workaround You can see you have to make sure the sites share the same username and password But when they do and that's synced You can have more than one user access cPanel and one of the things and we do have it documented too, right? So as well as this video, of course that right now we do have a I linked it earlier in a session And it's And a use case for this would be nice to say a student group one student leaves You want to seamlessly have another student be able to access it or several faculty or maybe co-teaching a course that's in cPanel You don't want to reproduce the cPanel, but they both want access like there are several use cases where this is valuable so There is documentation that will be clearer than my fumbling around but at the same time Hopefully this at least conceptually makes sense for the work That we were talking about I also kind of want to mention too that you you do want to be From your perspective you want to be a little bit thoughtful and maybe critical Of what you set this up for just because you have to go through that process of creating the order And syncing the user names and all that stuff Don't do this for a student org and then do it 30 times for every student in the org Don't sign yourself up for that work when all they probably need in that situation Is for maybe their faculty advisor to own the cPanel And then they can all have wordpress credentials that they all can manage right for the application That's a good point because we are tracking the number of cPanel accounts That I use you know on the server. So if one user has Five cPanel accounts, that's not one account. That's five accounts So something to keep in mind as you're just managing numbers even especially It's especially important because we don't that's not an arbitrary metric that we're tracking by the way Like that's those they take up storage and bandwidth and all that stuff is the resources on your server That's directly correlated. So you don't want to There are times where this is great to do But you you don't want to get in the business of having to do this like 30 times for a student org or Or you know something else that's going to make your life miserable as an admin. So but I mean, maybe I'm misunderstanding But doesn't it mean that more than one person access to same cPanel accounts? So you're not creating duplicate cPanel accounts for that workflow? Yes It's if you have three people looking at one cPanel it's that's one on our end But if you I think what we are saying is if you've got one person managing multiple cPanel accounts with that cPanel drop down That's that's where you know, it's not have to we're counting cPanel accounts not users So they shouldn't do each site as a separate cPanel. That's exactly right. Yeah, yeah Gotcha. No, that makes sense. That's good. I'm sorry. I didn't understand that But I'm being empathetic to the other folks who may not understand And I think we've got maybe Three ish more minutes if there are any other questions and if not I'll hop in while we're waiting for other questions and just say That jim earlier. You said you weren't sure how it decided which one to default to Yeah It defaults to the one that was created earliest in the system Oh good. Okay. Yeah, I didn't know if it was alphabetical or earliest, but that's good to know Yeah, sometimes the whmcs will model model it the domains alphabetically So yeah products. I don't know The other thing is tomorrow Keep an eye out for a couple of sessions on more intense deep provisioning a deep look into Using gravity forms for creating, you know, custom applications Templates kind of splot like things but more diy splots We'll also be talking to a couple of folks who've been playing with reclaimed cloud and talking about why I use the cloud in what case would it make sense to say, okay? This is great for the main of one's own, but this particular instance needs to go in the cloud and why So we'll be digging in on that and more So we really do look forward to seeing you all tomorrow for domains 201 as the saga continues Thanks everyone for joining today. I've really enjoyed the conversation and I'm looking forward to tomorrow. Absolutely Yeah, see you then. Bye. Bye everyone