 urities  waves as  大                                                            ๋ taking Jie ๑ మార్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల్ల Asha, he is very transitive my family is very transitive my family is very transitive When I saw this video was, I just shook me head is there money attached to the movement of a Mily back to prison that will warrants the kind of fight we saw with the DSS and the was called the correction of the facility besides if at all there has to be the movement back to the prison They say that they should remind them to the prison who is technically supposed to return him back to the prison he is not a prisoner official విింలూనికినినిట్నూచితచార్ట్ ఆసింధసికెరా. మరసంతరికినికాపెనినింట్నియలికదకెన్నికివికింట్టికెనికినిదినినికకి. I just feel like maybe there's just too much abuse of power going on there but hey Emi Fele has a lot of things around him they were allegations that some of the things that transpired prior to the 2023 general elections right were politically motivated and it was almost like he was trying to stifle the what's he called the money money power that some of the political parties and political candidates had because again we know that largely Nigerian political structure is controlled by by Naira and Kabul right it's controlled by money so the all that Naira redesigned going through all that drama and all of that people are saying that it was targeted as specific candidate so it was almost you know like in no brainer when immediately when the president was was called sworn into power the first thing that happened was him picking up Emi Fele and of course even this particular one sending him to court is even long overdue because he's been in the custody I think for over a month now where people were attacking and saying that this is not legal you're supposed to charge them to court immediately and not keep them for that long but hey this is not for me to say do you believe what do you think do you think it's which one do you think is abuse of power or do you think this is actually a politically motivated what's he called event I think it's all three really really okay it's all three is he made a mistake and he got politically I mean he got into the political on the wrong side I mean no maybe not wrong side but he just got into the political space you know I am his position by virtue of what he does yes you may have to do a lot of he has to do a lot of stuff with the government and all that but one would think that someone like him should be very neutral you know in terms of okay being with this party or whatever but I mean whatever all that is in Nigeria we know that there is no such thing as an ideal situation in Nigeria everything is up for grabs everything there is an undertone to everything so whether he is being the scapegoat for a larger play maybe it's just the easiest person again exactly or whether he's like a bone thrown to the people like okay you know what channel your anger this is the person who made all that narrow redesign forgetting again I feel that I'm not sure that it's it's it's correct to say that it may fairly just woke up one day and came up with that policy I'm not very I'm not sure that would be the correct assessment you must have certain places to put a bit of context right what is being charged to court and I'll come to you easy is two counts they say possession of illegal what say ammunition possession of illegal ammunition and possession of live shotguns and live ammunition I'm looking for the re-technology but let me come to you I'll come back to you easy what are your thoughts on this easy are you there go ahead is it a drama Nigeria has a lot of drama and when we start this Nigeria drama what like gives me headache because I don't even know where to take it from due to the fact that you don't know the whole story that's where I'm looking at it from so I wouldn't jump into any conclusion and say whether it's rich hunt or politically motivated or whether it is abuse of power because I don't have the facts because when two elephants are fighting the grass will suffer and at this point we are suffering while they are fighting so again whether immediately of the s wild governor of the CBN did something wrong yes he must have stepped on some toes while he was in office whether he is going through a lot right now yes I will say he's going through a lot again I would also make us understand that his office was what was being respected you know and to see two do you call them now I'm looking for the right word to use the dss and the prison facility managers fighting over who will take him also shows that there is a lot we do not understand because probably dss is also following an order from above which we are not aware of so it is also an eye opener that it is about the office for me it's about the office being respected whether they're respecting a man for the himself right now is a different ball game and now going back to why um if it's a rich hunt we don't know I don't know it's they've not really stated the crime and it fire arms everybody carries fire and so on we are you say what I did not carry fire arms let me replace that those in higher the echelons they actually carry they all have fire arms no they don't actually it is their odd least right is that what you said I am yes why the way either way we carry fire arms the bottom line here is that we do not know his actual crime this is beyond okay beyond this we need a situation nearby to tell us okay this is what he's done okay transparency okay let me let me come back but let's quickly go on and break right because I'd like to open our phone lines and I'll come to hear your thoughts with you because you see if it is um if it is fire arms and possession of whatever live ammunition you remember that the current chief of staff to the president had an incident where one of his oddly shot someone and killed someone actually you know so I mean it fire arms come on let's take a break all right so now if you're just turning is our lady's night out and we're discussing we're asking is this a witch hunt abuse of power or politically motivated now please let's hear what you have to say remember you can join the conversations and as an sms or what happens rate one eight zero three four six six three tweet us thread us at waishu africa now our phone line is now open the number to call is zero seven zero two five zero zero seven seven four nine that's the number to call remember turn off whatever device it is that you're listening in from or you're watching us from now uti let me come to you you've been quiet and smiley and smiley and adjusting and adjusting kilo d yeah what do you think I mean fast and foremost conspiracy theorists in the room will tell you that there is enough fiction maybe with a sprinkling of facts to support either of the three options you are positing so I agree with you there but for me I don't my my opinions are more questions because in fact as everybody was talking I was trying to remember the trajectory of events in my head from the initials I think the suspension came first yes right then he was arrested then I believe he was was it put on house arrest yes yes first year so I've lost track now between house arrest and the prison incident and prison so I'm not sure what the trajectory is that if you went from house arrest to then being going it was remanded yes it was remanded right so here are my questions if I start from the beginning with suspension right I can understand given the immense issues that came about with the redesign policy you know if you hire a new CEO in a company and somebody has a very public recent failure you can get behind a suspension that this person there's a very public goof so let's first of all suspend you now the arrest I don't believe at that point in time anything was cited I can't remember now like I said I was trying to remember the sequence of events if a reason was cited if you are going to arrest somebody right is there a a crime is it you are invited for answering to invited to answer questions you know everything in Nigeria is arrested they collect you yeah it's a rest I don't remember anything of the sort being spoken about so at the time I think there was just jubilation first of all you know you're not you made us suffer so far now but now so let me come back to you Huti I'm Celestine I believe from Surulere okay you're live hello hello okay sorry go ahead Huti so so yes so at that point I think that the first reaction from Nigerian born we got you right but moving on again you know typically the law says you are you're supposed to be in the sense of the prove guilty in Nigeria you are guilty of the proven you are the wrong girl you know so the fact is in in querying this case which is why I said there is enough in the sequence of events for me for you to agree with any of these three things depending on which perspective you choose because again what I'm looking for is clear information now if when we suspended him you said he suspended subject to an investigation of maybe the impact or the the narrow redesign process policy all of that I get you then there's an update to say these are findings and here is what it is you went from suspension of the job to criminal arrest again if that's what it was and now somehow we've magically come to the possession of fire and ammunition so you can again see why somebody who is behind the witch hunt theory will say amen absolutely let me take John from Bayosa hello you're live hello good evening thank you for calling go ahead hello good evening yeah yeah the different matter there are so many issues concerning this man you know there are so many stories that he was contacting the president in the past and there are so many allegations that there is a so many so okay thank you john absolutely but when we say allow dss to do their work right he was already in prison when they say remanded back to prison who is in charge of someone in prison it's not the dss do you understand so that is where some level of abuse of power comes in right the fact that and that's where you see the torso but you don't you don't even have like he said we don't even have enough facts i mean the thing with seeing videos like this the court the judge said that he should be remanded back to prison no i get that so remanded back to prison is an instruction what led to this fight it could have been that's why we move him no so that's what i'm saying in that who will move him what is the motivation to move him is there money involved what what would lead to a fight so my point is there is not enough it's easy for someone to say they are fighting because they said who will move him it could have been guy you step on me guy don't talk to me like that and we are discussing it and somebody has given it a headline and we've moved on because what will cause the fight but i don't even want to to fray on that because it really doesn't have much to do with the topic but if you talk about these different aspects a question came to my mind wrong we're also talking i said okay if you even want to talk about the dss and is the dss investigating hold on that thought i think i have somebody from omoli now we'll come back to you now omoli you're live who is that hello good evening good evening thank you for calling yes i want to make a comment on the emefele saga please go ahead and what is happening now is very unfortunate because this man has been held since over a month if the dss has any charge against him they ought to have made it public even the one that they made public was after the you know the uproar of the people that was associated with its you know lengthy lengthy detention now a court of competent jurisdiction has given an order that this man should be released granted there and i should be returned to the collection and services so where did the dss arrest him again the dss is taking the laws into their hands and i expect the president to call them to order this is not the way to run a nation you must obey the laws of our judges our courts for us to have respect in the international community thank you they should be called to order they are not allowed unto themselves that's my submission thank you so much you are going to say something to wrap up again the the responsibility of the dss because if you are returning him to the prison right to then be able to meet all the conditions for bill i believe that's what they say now the bill is on this charge of firearms and ammunition so what is the cause of the quarrel and the fight so that's why i said that without any information these people are not very easily aggravated we can't actually see what it is so that's why i don't want to fixate on the fight but is there what appears to be an abuse of power yes because like i said appear because you're not giving information i love what the caller said you're not telling us what why it seems like because i can't i'll just do it i'll do it and the the reason why it is important that we're having this conversation because people don't see this today it's a mess really tomorrow it may be somebody else no that's the standard how would you sit down you just come pick pick somebody up go and put them in in in a person if not for the uproar of people saying that you can't hold this person down ideally by law i think it's about 72 hours or 48 hours 48 hours i'm not sure how long you can't hold somebody down you must charge that person for their crimes and to court do you understand but you've held this man down over a month and everybody's looking at it and not saying anything and all of a sudden they say okay take him back to prison prison word away they interrupt those gss have the a correction of facility let's take your guesthood man no i will fight on this bear hi long time long time we are busy tracking and buying a bad joke to keep answers in case of incase it is we are now becoming prophetic are we forecast yes so so i hope you have enough as bad joke we have enough as bad joke and umbrella so that we can check where so you are tracking me saying we must be healthy whether we like it or not absolutely yes so you see what i have to say is that they should let a miscellaneous breeze books of the Nigerian especially amnesdly like me a miscellaneous dance with me in all capacity but is the law thank you you see naturally as an individual i like to put out a smash and i think it's a very smart man if they don't carry bagu today we'll enter like that weakness in power behind the screw me up and they travel next 10,000 with some 5% the same they don't carry bagu so the money is smashed if they don't have anything against him then they leave him the judge said put him in prison and who is in charge of prison what is the correction aspect of that this thing they are saying they are doing they are having their deal remember the man of here CC he has not even come out don't think you are one god this table can call let him understand how it works what the law says especially if i say i will be feeling now if one or one went about bagu that does not mean that the law should not take his course yes you understand as an engineer if they have the right ultiproving duty we need to grow up in this country this one is you know wise the one who is watching thank you and you see thank you so much young guests they won't challenge you even having it you see on that ultiproving you see they don't come saying a fire arms abby if you want to talk fire arms all of them are guilty of fire arms all of them everybody right now that that is in a high position authority most of them carry these things to protection you know what i'm saying you were caught as to whether you have permission you have the license or whatever to carry the fire arms you see you are not talking to any Nigerian you are speaking about the CBN governor of the federal republic of Nigeria after the president the vice president the senate president whatever the next position of authority that's what i'm saying to you even if let us even accept that there was a possession of fire arms it is not in the wrong place for him because you know how insecure Nigeria is so the point i'm trying to make is that today it is okay i'm not a fan of him because if i see him me too the way the youngest man say me go give him some punches because i know how much hardship he has brought for businesses you had a billionaire before today the value of your money has dropped just because somebody did not understand how to set better policies to grow the economy sorry i think i have a caller brain i should breathe who is on the call Celestine sorry thank you for calling again okay good evening go ahead go ahead please you see Nigerians combat their conscience i must say the only person that has fire arms in his house i tell the people what they think they want to threaten Nigeria but for example people fire arms have they arrested him he may play before he may play could do anything someone must have backed him up if they should punish him they should also punish Bwari because he was working under Bwari he should allow this man to rest do they have prison in their in their custody or in their office so why they are protesting and fighting in the court center what is their problem i find this country is beyond what we are listening they are just doing this on their own way and they have something in their court they just want to deal with that man just don't tell us you see why this theory will continue to thrive about conspiracies of witch hunts politically motivated and abuse of power go ahead this last caller and when you guys were talking something struck me that it is also important to now look at the judicial system because if the judicial system if you give a law as the judge you pass a very exactly what is the that's the problem and that is why we would keep seeing infractions like this abuse of power because if the court are not respected it's a total collapse in the society it means anybody can wake up and do anything nobody would call them to order nobody would interpret the law it's not like they don't know they know but because they know that they can get away with it that's why we would see things like this and that's why there would always be that friction oh i have the right to do this or you have the right it might not even be this in a lot of situations where we have seen a total breakdown of law it is because we know that even when because we know it is okay not to respect the law so i will come to you then i will come back to you Uti your last thought i totally agree with what she says professor Woneshaw Ingers made a statement he said that justice is the first law of humanity and what does that mean it means that there should be fairness there should be equity there should be freedom of speech and there should be transparency but in this case we do not have transparency in the case of and because we don't have that transparency we don't have the facts we can't even jump into any conclusion even if they appear to be what they appear to be alright let me take Austin from Benin then i will come to you Uti Austin you are live okay good evening my sister how are you doing very well thank you good evening how is the swimming pool over there actually i just want to i want to make an observation go ahead the observation is that i have noticed that a lot of your most of your callers they are your regular callers anyway they are trying to make your program look as if your program is anti-government anti-abc and what have you and that is not good for is not good for the program but hang on you have you have someone like Uti is always very objective in our analysis and we have you the whole program will look as if everyone who wants to help the government and what have you you need to do something about that that is the observation i want to make i thought you were going to call to balance the conversation hello you should have called to balance it's what they have what they want to say you should have said what you have to say Uti go ahead please i mean like i said there's really nothing else to add to this because there is something to be said for all of these things and i think that all our callers have said what is most important we must be seen to be upholding the law we must be seen to be doing the right thing we will take our cue from our leaders and i love the part where you said that because it's not you today doesn't mean that it can't be you tomorrow i think that just from the suffering that came from the redesign policy all of us can afford to fold our arms and say you know what absolutely but the reality of it is we must be able to have faith in the system forget all this rockers about fighting i'm not even going to deem that but it is important to send that message to say that we are upholding the law and i consistently say that look information is so powerful in today's age of social media technology information is in itself a currency so when you take action and you don't provide information and context people can fill in the blanks of course there are a lot of platforms where people can quickly governize and fill in the blanks with whatever they say fake news is not always malicious sometimes it's from ignorance sometimes it's from not having the true and correct picture who would have been you are a communications expert right so you understand what is happening who would have been the right thing for a government to do you can't just make an error even that suspension was it clearly stated that this is the grounds to which we are suspending you then when they now moved on to house arrest this is the grounds you understand because let me tell you something we have every right to sue a Miphele we have every right to sue him and he will pay for damages we know what we went through like i said it's easy for all of us to turn a blind eye and say you know what really it is exactly but the truth of it is there is a proper way to do things and really in this age information is the most powerful thing that you can provide you give context so that people can even get behind you and say we understand what you are trying to do and we back you up so that it doesn't then appear that unless you are just taking advantage of the situation or you say whichever of these three context you want to stand behind the thing that solves all of this is communication communicating what is happening because it just seems when there is no information i mean we are already used to we don't have trust part of that is information i said before that again if i tell you something are you interested in listening to what i have to say but this is a new administration you have the chance to say you know what i've swept the dirty room clean and i'm here and take a different approach and let people be able to come again if you think about the circumstances that we are in a lot of people don't believe in the way this administration came to power so they have a double need to be seen to be seen to be transparent to be seen to be communicating to be seen to do things the right way and i think that there's a challenge in that absolutely so quickly let's read some comments and my favorite saga is for me a big time witch hunt an abuse of power and politically motivated action i believe all those who felt hurt by his new naira redesign can easily come against him for doing that at the time close to the period of the general election those who feel he made them suffer politically can easily come after him and i sincerely believe that they are doing exactly that they have to they have to define clearly what the crime emifeli committed right that would warrant his arrest if they say he is in the position of sorry possession as was supposed to write of gun or firearm why are they not arresting all these people that carry AK-47 all over the place in the country the way things are going in this country is a complete sign that nigeria has become a banana republic this is from san tox do we have more comments quickly yes this is may i take mine go ahead quickly it says highways ladies emifeli is being held for all three reasons one on licensed arms but if you arrest emifeli for on licensed arms he should face the law for the pohubo with arms and private army video on social media two for the pohli for the pohli implemented niriswap that was that caused hardship on the country yes deserved but but hold his principle that is buhari okay we have we are out of time it is sorry sadly we take those 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