 Ma'am, your mic is muted. Sorry. Thank you. Thank you Prabhakar. So good morning and welcome to class, the third week of our class, to all those who have joined in on the online class and for all those who have joined in with the e-learning portal as well. I trust these lessons that we are doing are not just an exercise of information and knowledge and understanding but really helping each one of us to practically live out what we've learnt and come to a place of wholeness and deliverance. So should we start with a word of prayer and bring today's discussion and class to the Lord. Heavenly Father, we thank you so much that you are so interested in our souls. You desire that we are whole in our bodies, in our spirits and in our souls. Thank you because you show us different ways in which we may be bringing ourselves into bondage and also other influences that are in our lives. Today as we look a little deeper into the same topic of causes of problems, Lord, we pray that your spirit will work wherever we are, Lord, individually in each of our hearts to help us to discern and recognize areas that are in oppression. And we pray, God, that even as we place our faith in you and the work of the cross and the authority that we have in you, we pray that you will bring us to a place of wholeness and deliverance. We ask all these things in your precious name. Amen. Okay. So quickly, would somebody like to recap what we had started discussing last week and maybe we had looked at around six, seven pointers of causes of problems that occur within the soul. So maybe even as you're doing a quick recap, you could probably also bring out maybe something that you recognized within yourself or recognized within maybe as you've ministered, that something that we have learned has really brought about a change in the transformation and a recognition and awareness about what we may be engaging in that causes harm to our souls or emotional struggles and pain. So two things, one is maybe a quick recap of what were the points that we looked at last week and if there's a testimony, a thought, an observation, something you learned, something you want to bring about, you're free to do that right now because it's also understanding and learning from each other's learnings, experiences, testimonies and it brings it to life that, okay, I mean, I never thought this was something that was dealt with, but just your observations or testimonies really help. So open to the class. Yes, there's absolute silence today. Maybe we'd like to hear from some of the students, we haven't heard at all, some voices we've, lovely voices we haven't heard. We're all family here, we're all loving brethren and sisters, no one is here to judge or question, okay, so feel free to open up and share or if you don't feel like sharing at least maybe what we learnt, a recap of what we had learnt. Okay, Mangi, you've been chosen to speak, Mangi, somebody likes your voice here. Thanks brother, hope. Hope's put you on the spot. Yes, it's my lovely brother and I love him a lot. Thank you, Posta. I believe we were in chapter two, we spoke with causes of problems and you gave us seven, I think it's seven. Yeah, you're like seven. Seven causes to have problems. One of them is a wrong mindset. Then because of our wrong thinking, we end up, when we find ourselves in a wrong situation, in this situation that causes thought and then that thought we interpret into two feelings and then those feelings and emotion end up going into wrong behavior. And then what you said, our words, wrong speaking, also causes problems. Continued deep repeated sin when we continue doing the same sins over and over and over again. And the fourth one I think was trauma of things that passed in the family. Great, thank you. Thank you, Mangi. I think Mangi did a great job of doing four. Let's ask somebody else to take on from where he left. Thank you, Mangi. That was excellent. Yes, engaging in deep seated sin. Yes, I think Mangi spoke about that. He said continual sin. What were the other ideas? Rupa, you said wrong thinking patterns. Yes, that also Mangi spoke about. The last three, anybody remembers? And several commitments and practices and curses, which we speak over ourselves, or probably some people might have spoken on us, on us, so those curses. One in trauma and it was experiences. All right, great. Thank you. Thank you, Avni. Anybody would like to share any of these, something that they've probably noticed that either they've engaged in or they've seen others engaging in, that's caused emotional problems. In fact, I actually wanted to bring up an example that I missed bringing up the last time on one of these practices because that's something that I often, you know, we've often noticed in our culture and maybe it is prevalent in other cultures also. So I'll bring that up once I hear from anybody, just leaving it open for maybe 10, 15 seconds if anyone wants to share if any of this has bought meaning to their lives and has helped them to identify where there has been an open door into emotional unwholeness. Okay, I'll respect your, you know, just the fact that maybe you wouldn't like. Rupa, yes, Rupa, please go ahead. Thank you. Let's go ahead, Rupa. Good morning, ma'am. Good morning. When I got married, my father-in-law is a doctorate in physics. He used to work for UNS, UN job. But I heard that during his earlier years, he started practicing Mormon, that religion, and he started Freemasonry. Yeah, he started practicing it. I could see a lot of trauma and the emotional illness that they were all going through because of that. But in a way, I started praying me and my husband for that. And he died at the age of 89. I got married when he was 83 years old. And by the time he was, by 89, God brought a strong conviction in his life and he turned back to God and he was saved and he slept in the Lord. I was very happy for that. But it brings a lot of emotional undressed in the house, breaking of marriages. And even though they were living together, we can see that there was no communication or fellowship like that between my in-laws. But I got grace towards the end. God has really worked in his life and delivered him from that. And I'm very thankful for that. Thank you, ma'am. Praise God. Thank you, Rupa, for sharing. Yeah, that's really helpful to understand. You know, I think when each of us bring up some examples like this, we begin to, I mean, a lot is revealed to us as to what is there in the outside world that may camouflage itself as the truth, but is actually a false religion. Thank you, Rupa. Yes, Charles, please go ahead. Thank you so much, Pastor. I'm the first born and my father is the first boy of our grandmother. But our grandmother was the first wife of our grandfather. And my mom is the first wife of my father. But after he was, I think, like three years old, when I was, I think, a sister that follows me. So my father and my mother separated. And my father married another woman and we were taken for our grandmother's home and we stayed there. So when, sometime, sometime there, I don't remember how old I was, but we were digging. And I told my sister and I said, sister, when I grow up and I marry, I will not produce children from two wives. And it went and we grew up. I will continue. My father continued to marry another woman currently to this, the one he has is the sixes. And now I married. But this woman was not officially in charge. And then I continued to go while I was going to this cause. I was taking alcohol. And my other thing was that when I got saved, she said I am spending time at church. The time I would be spending in the bar, I would spend it at church. This time I would come early. I would be home. I would be doing that, but she characterized on that and she had to go away. And I spent five years trying to press her back. We weighed her so that we can weigh her and she would become officially my wife. She refused. After five years, I married another one. So when I married another woman who had produced our first daughter, I remembered her purpose in my heart, not produce children from two mothers. I remembered that this is now an ancestral thing that was about polygamy that was following me up. And since I had not worked out well, even forever, that one was almost going. So practices from the ancestral part also need to be dealt with. When I remember that, I think it's about who reminded me that then I started working upon myself and praying, breaking all those things and making sure that I'm able to not have now a third wife. That was it. I'm really in an argument with the dealing with our cellos, however much we are born new when we become saved, but also those things have to be dealt with. Thank you. Thank you so much, Charles, for sharing that. And that is a life story that you just shared. And I'm sure that took a lot of courage and, you know, just your heart and willingness to have all of us listen and learn from that. Thank you, Brother Charles. We're so grateful to God that he opens our minds and gives us a revelation about things and brings us to a place of freedom. And thank you for sharing that. And I hope that has spoken to some of us with similar situations that we also may have gone through. I wanted to highlight one, probably certain, on the point, the fifth point that we spoke about the last time is the involvement in the occult and false religions, which can open the door to influence in our lives. And something that, you know, we see in our Indian culture and in our practice, probably maybe those who are from different cultures may have experienced or seen this is the role that things like palmistry, astrology, numerology plays on the minds and the lives of people. You know, we don't buy physical newspapers right now, so I don't know how it is. But then I remember growing up, you know, in these physical newspapers that we had, you would have an entire column or a half a column full of zodiac signs and how your life goes forward. So this is something that often used to become like a fad where people, you know, as I grew up, I've also read it, you know, because it seemed interesting what's going to happen to your week, what's going to happen to your month. And all of that was only when, you know, started reading the word, did I realize that all of this is an involvement of the occult or things like palmistry where people go to an astrologer and have their palms red or they have, here there are many practices where you have people sitting with tarot cards, you know, there's a parrot that walks in and brings about a tarot card and they are, you know, your future is spoken about or you look at the stars and figure out what it is or there are certain numbers that come by and people use certain numbers for their homes and for their cards or in order to get, you know, to have, if they want a day to celebrate something or to, you know, to have a wedding or to have a construction of the home, they look up auspicious days. These are all, and there are even, I've known of believers who engage in these practices to find out, right? And again, these also belong to this, to that sphere of involving yourself in the occult and things that are of the false because there again there is an open door to bringing in these influences. So would you all do, do you all feel that, I mean, is this something that you'll have seen, you'll have noticed as people you may know who's engaged in that has caused significant struggles? Anybody? No? Okay. Yes. Yes. Yes, Avni, go ahead. Go ahead, Avni. Ma'am, what you said, I also identified, also done all this, but yes, once I received Christ and I understood that it was wrong. I did pray and seek forgiveness and renounced everything and it is still prevalent and very recently we are close to a Hindu family who is believing in all this and they are going through a tough time and because of they being told that this is how things are going to be because of that divinity and all. They've accepted the situation, they are going through a very tough time but the hearts are so hard and they don't want to listen about the love of God and it is difficult but we are praying for them believing that the Lord would open their eyes to see the truth and bring them out and they are really going through a very, very difficult time. Apart from praying, I really don't know how to help them but I really wish I could help them. I think it's important for us to just pray that their blind eyes are opened to the truth that the Holy Spirit will take off the scales from their eyes and they will be able to see this better. Okay, wow, I have three people wanting to respond. Okay, so we'll have around maybe five minutes. Yes, I think Charles, you put up your hand first. Would you like to start? Yes, thank you so much. Now when I was a classroom teacher, a head teacher I would be having the newspapers and that part of horoscope I would be trying to look at it. Then when I was staying in one of the cities the newspaper for the following day would be coming out in the evening. So I would again now try to start in it and try to look into the future through my horoscope. So I was already in that. But when I got saved, there is a small book I read Delivery from the Powers of Darkness and it was mentioned literally about that. Then I went ahead and searched for it and I read through it and I said, oh, this is wrong. Then I also read another book about palm and recently I saw it on the phone as an app, palm chart and nowadays I can't join it. Even those horoscopes, the stars, all those things but for sure they had taken my brains but thank God that when I got saved, things took another shape. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Charles. Yes, Srikumar? Thank you very much. It's very true and when I see my own family where I'm coming from and the power of darkness is holding their life in such a way that I can see that the entire family line from my father's side and my mother's side they were all practicing this astrology and witchcraft and other things. So I can see the sudden deaths and stalk and other sicknesses and very young age people are dying and also one thing which I saw that the male of my family are dying at a very young age and so many things like even though their children are studied well but they are not able to progress and they are not able to achieve that success. So what you said is true, I am the first born from my family who received Jesus and so seeing all these things as Mr. Amni said, after coming to Christ when we came to know all this truth it will be separated us from that darkness but even still now also we are actually piping against the power of the darkness. It's very sad actually so there are very painful situations with me so I will just see these things as possible. Thank you. Thank you Brother Shri Kumar. I think even as we are hearing these stories let's keep some notes and just keep praying for people who have actually spoken and are finding some of these as continuous struggles and let's intercede for them as a community, as a community of believers when we pray there is a lot more of power. Yes the person, each of you use your authority and cast out whatever practices and whatever generational bondages that have been passed through, cast it off and just seal your homes by the blood of Jesus but let's continue praying for one another. Thank you Shri Kumar. Christopher? Yes so I also can identify with this so just as a background I lived in the Far East as in Hong Kong and Singapore for over 20 years and among the Orientals and the Chinese there is a lot of superstition and a lot of these kind of practices and looking back I think sometimes you do things out of ignorance so for example you have these tourist sites where they take you to a Chinese temple and you have this kind of a cylindrical kind of box filled with sticks and each stick has got things written in the Chinese language and then you are supposed to hold that box and keep shaking it and usually one stick will come out but one stick will be the most prominent one there and that will be your kind of it gives you some detail about what's going to happen in the rest of your life of course as I said you do ignorance and you don't really believe in it but looking back also I think there were a couple of people that we are actually friends of my wife who are two people who are actually very influenced by these kind of occult practices and one observation I have is that usually what happens is the people who are influenced by the occult they are actually quite strong personalities and they try to influence other people to believe in what they practice and again I think looking back I was not maybe not strong enough to sort of just tell my wife that she should not be actually be influenced and she didn't actually be influenced but still people these kind of people will talk about it and I think we should not really even entertain any kind of conversation around that so I just thought I would share that with you Thank you, thank you Christopher that's a good warning I think Christopher pointed out something very significant of how strong personalities can definitely influence you greatly so just understanding how you need to keep away and disengage is needed Yes Charles, we can pray for Avni and the family Avni, yes we could definitely do that we could probably do that by the end of this hour Taisa, I see your hand also would you like to share? Yes please, good morning everyone As it relates to the divination and the horoscopes I too was a victim of loving to read horoscopes because I want to know what's going to happen I went I even subscribed to horoscopes to my email every religious days I would get it in my inbox to see what was happening and tar card reading I would send my emails and I would look and if I have an issue this is what I would consult to see what is going to happen and look out for these readings it was a part of my regular practice but I didn't know that this was wrong and this is not how God wants us to live and I also, with that they sell you these different things like because they sell these things and you get, they lure you in one step at a time by just the horoscope it started then the tar card reading and then they sell you another thing you can talk to a medium to get readings and so forth and then they'll email you bunch of readings and these cost curses upon my life I didn't know that this was where it was coming from because I didn't know that this was wrong and it reminded me of Saul, King Saul when he forsaken God and what his laws was and it was when I read it I had to repent because I did not know that these horoscopes and all of these were wrong and Christ does not want us to live like this He wants us to consult His Word and apply it into our lives Thank you Thank you Tisha, thank you so much I think this sharing really helps us to just be understanding and be wise about what is around us I think more so for our children, for the generation to come because a lot of this like Charles said O'Cult is so deep in modernity and I agree that it is so it's packaged very very well and given to you as something that's as good as entertainment and to keep a watchful eye over what even our children are engaged in and what they go through and a lot of them is because of ignorance in itself and I'm sure a lot of us engaged in many things because of ignorance but after knowing the Word of God have come to a place of repentance and walking in truth and walking by the alignment of God's Word so thank you all for sharing I think this has really put the class into some perspective So let's move forward and we'll start off, we'll go ahead with the learning and I'd like to pray I'll ask brother Charles to pray for half his family just before we break off for the next hour So just to quickly just let you know which page I'm looking from I'm on page 10 so I'm on page 10 of the textbook so that if you'd like to follow through you could go ahead So we were looking at problems that causes difficulties in the emotions or in the soul, the problems that cause that come about in the soul, what are some of the causes and look at these six, seven areas that all of you we just constructed together Now another part another aspect of this is what we are also going to be looking at is how evil spirits cause problems how do evil spirits cause problems Now even when we are talking about evil spirits there is nothing to be scared about just the conversation about evil spirits or talking about evil spirits can make us feel very uncomfortable but it is important for us to know and also important for us to understand what scripture has spoken about because not only are we to have knowledge about this but then even as we are all in places of ministry it is important for us to identify and discern what is what So we are going to look at this can be quite an extensive study but we picked up some few important points that we need to highlight So the Bible tells us very clearly that there is Satan who is the head and the source of all evil and also says that he also has a kingdom which are other demons and the Bible tells us that these demons are fallen angels who joined Satan in rebelling against God and who were defeated and were cast out of heaven along with Satan So we do understand just like the presence of the Holy Spirit and angels there is also the presence of the devil and the evil spirits alongside with it So the demons or the devils or evil spirits continue to serve the devil in his attempt to lead God's creation away from him and into sin and that's the purpose of the demons or of the evil spirits that are there that's what they do, that's their mission to ensure that people do not meet with God and are pushed deeper and deeper into sin and into their crutch So when we look at scripture we see and we will look at a couple of voices as we go along So in scripture the human being often is pictured like a house and the evil spirits seek entrance into this house so that they can find a place to reside or find embodiment and also to express themselves. So we understand this through some scriptures and I want to bring up some that has been written here So if you do have your Bibles keep them handy it would be nice if I can have some students just read out some of these verses Someone could just open up to Matthew 12 43 and 45 just keep it ready and I will bring it up after I talk about this verse. So we understand this perspective of human being being pictured like a house where evil spirits seek entrance is when the Lord talks to Cain The Lord tells Cain this in Genesis 4-7 He says do not let sin crouch at your door If you don't do well you won't be accepted It is of the offering that Cain had to bring about He says if you don't do well sin is at your door, it's crouching at your door and it's desirous for you It says it's desirous for you So we see that it's evil spirits wanting to seek entrance into into our lives We look at another verse, other three verses Matthew 12, 43-45 Has anybody got it and could you just kindly unmute and read it out? That will be helpful Matthew 12, 43-45 Shall I read now? Yes Avni go ahead Matthew 12 verse 43-45 says When an unclean spirit goes out of a man he goes through dry places seeking rest and finds none Then he says I will return to my house from which I came and when he comes he finds it empty, swept and put in order Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself and they enter and dwell there And the last state of that man is worse than the first so shall it also be with this wicked generation Thank you, thank you Avni So even in these verses it shows you how the person is like a house and where the evil spirit wants to come in and make a dwelling there So it's like an allegory that we are able to understand that it enters into our being Now there are different kinds of spirits and they are usually seen or they are identified with different things and we will take some examples over here So spirits can be identified by corresponding negative emotion So a negative emotion is empowered by a corresponding spirit And some of the examples that we see here like the spirit of hate So when there is a spirit of hate it's empowered by an evil spirit or the spirit of fear or the spirit of pride, the spirit of self-pity and heaviness, the spirit of jealousy the spirit of lust So these negative emotions are there but it is empowered by a certain spirit So they are called by the names of spirit of hate or spirit of lust, spirit of heaviness or depression So to be able to identify that there can be certain emotions that are empowered by certain spirits Similarly, there are also deeds that correspond to a certain spirit certain deeds that correspond to spirits For example, again some of the examples given here is the spirit of murder of drunkenness, of adultery of uncleanness, of witchcraft, of suicide of lying, of stealing, of murder So all of this where there are evil deeds that correspond to a certain spirit And you see this and something that I've seen very significant especially where there is a presence of suicide If you look back into generations and this is something that I'm talking from a clinical experience also when someone has come with an attempt suicide you look back into their history you will find one or two members in their families that actually have committed suicide or there has been an attempt of suicide In clinical experience you will find one or two members of the family who have committed suicide or have committed suicide But it makes so much of sense to understand that these evil deeds are backed up or corresponded by a certain spirit So to understand this especially when you notice that the attempts of suicide in a certain home it is something that we need to keep our eyes open and be aware of The deeds that the evil spirits actually empower Then there are certain physical conditions that are empowered by certain spirits like the spirit of pain, the spirit of arthritis the spirit of death and also spirits can orchestrate certain life experiences or certain situations like the spirit of poverty or the spirit of lack or the spirit of confusion So these are spirits and it's important to recognize where is it that you can identify if they are being backed or empowered by a certain spirit Demons generally operate in groups We see this spoken about in Matthew 12, 43 and 45 which Avni just said Once the house is cleaned up it brings a lot more back into it to bring about a longer sense of influence So they do operate in groups And we see that also in Mark 5, 9 when Jesus casts away the demon he says, what is your name and dances, I'm Legion for we are many, Legion being many Now this is something I think it's important for us to understand that there can be common groups of spirits that work together and I'd like to bring about certain examples of this, of how this takes place So we'll take that I think 2-3 examples is given in your book but let me just explain that to you For example, the groups of spirits which could, some negative emotions that could empower us, let's say resentment, there is something let's take an example of maybe there is a family issue that's going on with regard to property or things like that and someone has cheated somebody of something maybe cheated somebody of a property and they're unable to forgive and then they begins to harbor a sense of resentment It starts with simple emotions it's not about resentment but gets deeper filled in and the spirit empowers that resentment by adding in a lot more fuel to that it may start with the wrong pattern of thoughts that my brother is out to kill me my brother is out to destroy me he never loved me, so that begins and it builds up that resentment which goes into hatred which then creates, we've opened the door that those kind of emotional, negative, wrong thoughts experiences like we learned the last time opens the door for anger and then it finally leads into murder When you look at it, these are collectively that takes place something that probably starts off with a wrong word or a wrong thought or a practice that has not been taken care of moves deeper into into stronger things where there is a spirit of murder that adds in similarly when we look at another set of another group or another set, let's say an individual starts to maybe there's been some significant experience in their lives that has caused a sense of self-pity probably let's say an experience like maybe a loss of a job or a loss of a loved one that causes a sense of that creates a sense of self-pity that they begin to feel victimized and begin to feel, oh poor me this shouldn't have happened to me, this is not where I could have had better again these could just be wrong thoughts just negative ways in which the experience has been understood so it starts with self-pity, moving into something that becomes very desperate and there's a lot of despair and the hopelessness comes about and that leads into depression like we were talking about some of these conditions in fact or empowered by a spirit again even as we have spoken about this later we are going to see that we don't associate every depression that you see with the demonic influence so that we will come to but I just want to express this as we are seeing how could one thing lead into another when there is a door that's opened into self-pity and that runs into hopelessness depression comes about and then which can lead to suicide so self-pity leads to that despair leads to that spirit of hopelessness and that leads to suicide so when you look at this we need to just not deal with deliverance delivering them from the spirit of murder or from the spirit of anger but also bringing them to a place of wholeness where they are of renewing and transforming their mind from this place of pity and this place of despair that they come in so I hope you can see that connection I hope you are with me I'll take one more example which is there another group that's spoken about is lust, uncleanness, adultery fornication so initially it's just you know engaging in lustful thoughts opening the mind to bad images, bad thoughts all probably sexual and obscene in nature that creates that gives it an open place for a place of uncleanness and this opens the door and continues into fornication or into hardcore pornography which leads again then later into adultery so again this is a place that you know just the person opening up opening the minds the doors of their mind to something that is unclean can open the door to an evil spirit entering in and creating a sense of comfort in adultery or in fornication and this again is something we just don't not just deliverance but also wholeness we're helping or needing to work with people to be emotionally whole to change and renew and transform the kind of thoughts that they may have and then again also delivering them from these kind of spirits I hope that was clear was that clear or are there any questions as I all with me through this we all are because I haven't had any questions yes thank you thank you okay great alright okay so we're close to breaking off for a now brother Charles may I please ask that you please pray for this family that Avani has spoken about and be open to hearing God's word and the gospel so that they can get over to you brother Charles let's pray behaving father we are really thankful to you that you have seen us fit to do this work of ministering to the people that you love you'd have given this work to angels but because of your mercy and love you allowed us to do this you have even pressed your word in our hands by both that we could hold it and be able to reach others I bring to you our sister Avani who is having a family near her and the family is not breathing in the world through God but I pray that you will bring favor on her that she will be favored and that she will have a method of connection to the family that Lord Jesus will bring to the innovation and the invention and the devotion for us the sentiment will be also accredited to her in a deeper way that she will be able to know what to do with the family I speak of a yearning by the family that you are going to divinely connect the truth the family and Avani and that they will be able to be willing to allow her to speak to them thank you Lord that you are doing this for the glory of your name and for our good in Jesus' name we pray to believe amen amen thank you thank you Charles alright we'll close we'll have a break of 10 minutes it's 10.52 on my clock and we will return at 11.02 see you soon