 Okay, well thank you for asking me to talk today. I probably come from a different approach compared to our previous two presenters that I'm more systems based person. What I want to take you through today is a trial that we're putting together here at RMIT that we think might help academics actually deal with the issue of data storage. So with most high education providers in Australia we have a data storage policy and the onus is very much on the academic to comply with the policy. They're expected to complete their data plan etc. But very little support is actually provided to the academic to comply with the policy. Again as with most higher education providers in Australia we have software in our case it's Redbox which is meant to assist the academics in actually bringing together their data around their research projects, their outputs and the actual data they've used underpinning the research. But at the moment Redbox the way we've implemented here at RMIT requires the academic to go in and pour this information together and most of our academics quite likely tell us that they've got better things to do. So our plan is to actually assist them actually bringing this stuff together. At RMIT we use research master to capture all information regarding our funded research projects and for us it provides some very rich metadata. We have metadata on the chief investigators of the project, the fund source, the amounts awarded, the description of the research, LFR codes, descriptions of the research etc. And whenever a research agreement is signed at RMIT that's whether it's competitive or contract. A record is created in research master by staff in our research innovation portfolio which is the equivalent of research officers I suppose around Australia. What our teams also do is they open up what's called work breakdown structure in the SAP system which is essentially a research account and this is where all of the finance information is actually processed. Our view is that our research office staff can also allocate storage space at this point. As are our colleagues at UniSA we use research master to capture all information regarding our funded research projects and for us it provides rich metadata so we know who the chief investigators are, where our funding sources are from, the amounts awarded, descriptions of the research, the fields of research etc. So whenever a research agreement is signed at RMIT and it goes through a process of being signed by a DVCR and I and this is whether it's competitive or contract research. A record is created in research master by staff in our research innovation portfolio which is essentially the same as a research office anywhere else and what we also do is we also open up a research account in our SAP system which is called a work breakdown structure over here at RMIT and what we've been thinking about is really our research staff can also be allocating storage space at the same time. So what we're intending to do is with a very small sample of academics and that's our most recent ARC linkage recipients, we're going to run a bit of a trial using CloudStore which is run by Arnett where the research office will actually allocate storage for these projects. The advantage being one that CloudStore offers 100 gigabytes of data per academic and very easy to use. So we can drop and drag into folders, it's web-based and it's transferable. What we'll then do is we'll record that URL in our research master. So then what we do has we've actually matched the metadata up to where the storage is actually or the data is actually being stored. We can then push this back into Redbox etc and then at least we know from any given particular research project, at least the ARC linkage ones, we'll know whether the actual data is stored. So our plan is to at least try this with our ARC and NHMRC funded research and then hopefully roll this out as a growing or something that we can roll out into other types of research. So we'll be very interested to see how our trial progresses. It would be a bit of a change for our academics who are used to basically storing their data where they feel they'd like to. It's thought in all sorts of weird and wonderful places since we've done a few audits around the place and so what we hope to do is actually change the culture a little bit. One to make it maybe put a bit of trust in the research office that we're not trying to do anything evil with their research or anything with the data but at least that first step would be to curate it and know where it is. So for us it's the start of a very long and hopefully fun ride but I'm sure we'll be having some scary moments along the way and that's it for me. Thank you Jim. So the first question is will you store human participant data in cloud store? This is one of the things we're looking at in terms of the so one of the things we are doing is we're going to meet with Arnett to talk about storing data but we think we probably could. We do know that it is being used currently for a lot of research projects around the place but obviously too we want to make sure that anything we can put up there is secure. The next question when does the trial finish do you plan on sharing your results? Yes we'd like to share the results so our trial starting now so we've only got as we said we only had eight ISE linkage recipients in the last round which we thought was a nice little group to work with so we're in the process at the moment actually putting together the we've actually sort of ripped up the process of how we think this will work and then basically the the agreements for linkage projects normally take a little bit longer due to the participation agreements being signed off so we expect to probably be later in the year when the the research actually starts so that's at the point that we'll actually be allocating storage on CloudStore and then yes we'll definitely happy to share the results of how that goes. Thank you our question does this mean that a successful pilot would lead to RMITs during all research data on CloudStore? That is something that's potential at the moment. Probably what we're more interested in is just the concept of would academics be happy with us allocating storage space? CloudStore is a very quick solution for us because it's in the cloud we can actually allocate the as in we as in the the research office can allocate the storage on behalf of the academic and it doesn't involve us having to invest the infrastructure. We do have to see whether we'd actually run out of storage space on CloudStore and we also need to figure out what we would do with RMIT stops etc but the plan is at least to have a system where all data storage is allocated essentially by the research office. Okay thank you will there be any business to business connectivity between CloudStore and Research Master at RMIT or is that a manual workflow? At the moment it's a manual workflow. Okay thank you how are issues of data privacy and security managed in CloudStore? So the same thing again it's the CloudStore to give it a something similar to Google Drive so that the academic actually gets to control who has access to the data. At the moment our main point of having this record centrally is so we just at least know where the data is and again this is the issues we'll have to negotiate as we go forward. But our first protocol well what we actually want to get out of the trial is will academics use it and also can we actually have a system where centrally a research office would know at least where all the storage where the data is stored for a given research project. And who decides what's stored in that CloudStore location? Is the chief investigator responsible or will all data relating to the project be mandated? Yep I think again this is probably what we're looking at our policy we're not expecting researchers to use CloudStore for their I suppose their transitional data we just do want to at the end of the project so whether that's just the data they do the analysis on etc. Primary materials I think that we probably haven't gone down that path yet but the plan is yeah that the chief investigator would be the person responsible for ensuring that the data is actually in CloudStore. Thanks and could CloudStore be used to make data publicly available at the end of the research project? As we understand it does connect up to things like TARDIS so there is the potential of bringing that data back down and I suppose that's the next step we're looking at as well as working with our various areas. I suppose our point of view is as long as we know where it is it then can be distributed to wherever it needs to go. There's a question our academics I think this is from Sharon Wise at UTS. Our academics use CloudStore via a of their own initiative. Is there a management console where you can allocate space? This is what we've been sort of playing with the last couple of weeks is basically setting up our own accounts and seeing and sharing and etc. Then this is one of the things where we're off to meet with Aunt Edith out is I'm actually getting that administrative space sorted out for us. Is the data stored in CloudStore physically located in Australia and governed by Australian legislation and privacy requirements? Yes it is. That was a major concern for us so yes it is. Great answer there. Question to Jim but also to the other panelists. Is there a role for the library in this project? Definitely for us because from our point of view we're not in the business of actually pushing the data out etc so that next step of getting the data into a repository or putting that data out that doesn't really sit now in it so definitely there's a role for us with the library. We're actually very close to the library with that sort of model so for instance our publications repository. The publications will come through our team and are collected for ERA and obviously no longer herd C and other purposes but then we actually push that data through for the repository where they manage the repository side of things and we'd be seeing that our research data would be treated in the same way. Okay there's a question for Jim. Is your pilot a joint venture with Arnett? We're off to meet with Arnett to see basically take those next steps but I mean that's something we've just been pushing out ourselves at the moment in the research office and basically just playing around in cloud store in-house here and pretending we're researchers ourselves and setting up our own sending storage to each other and uploading into it so we're obviously going to meet with them and keep them aware of what we're doing but it's our own initiation really our own initiative story. Okay thank you. Is cloud store data encrypted in transit and on cloud? Again these are the questions that we need to talk to Arnett about. Okay thank you and what are your views on requirements for researchers to release their data as part of publication? One of the things we are looking at long term now is actually trying to capture the whole life cycle of research so when we're looking now at again if I use the ARC example we know where the the data is actually stored what we're also starting to do now is relate our publications back to the funding source so I think in time what we'll I can see a situation where what we want to be able to do is measure research from idea probably through to impact and all the steps along the way and I think relating publications back to projects back to data sets will be something that we'll be doing here at RMIT.