 Live from the Sands Convention Center in Las Vegas, Nevada, it's the Cube at AWS ReInvent 2014. Brought to you by headline sponsors, Amazon, and Trend Micro. Hey, welcome back everyone, you're watching theCUBE, SiliconANGLE, Mukibon's flagship program we go out to the events, I'm John Furrier, the founder of SiliconANGLE, and my next guest is Eddie Saddley, CTO, Emerging Business at CSC, CSC Management Consulting Firms, System Integrator, whatever they're called these days, a partner of all the people who are making products and software in cloud. Welcome back to theCUBE, good to see you. Thank you very much, nice to be back. So one of the big things that's going on right now, we just talked to Illumio, because they're disrupting the whole security space, perimeter, security's big, is obviously that, you know, everything's getting thrown in the air, and where it lands, kind of nobody knows, but it's a big opportunity to clean up the mess, build on top of the new foundation called the reality of today, which is API economy, notifications, mobile infrastructure, perimeter-less security. Yep, absolutely. Your job is to figure that out. So where are we? What are you guys doing? Where is this, give us the State of the Union? Yeah, so it's really interesting, because I have all the emerging technology side, we're doing a lot of stuff with cyber and changing the way that we're looking at cybersecurity. Most people look at it from a managed security service provider, which is what CSC has been for years, but now we're starting to look at, we have a new project, Network Defense Analytics that we're building with some of our customers to be able to look at new ways to combine a bunch of different data sets, whether it's from a cloud, infrastructure, from application services, whatever happens to be, pull it all together and get kind of a complete picture and do machine learning algorithmic models to be able to then determine what the threat vectors are and do real risk management rather than security management, because like you said, there's no perimeter anymore, there's no ingress egress, you can't really tell where traffic's coming from, where it's running on, so in order to get to that point, we have to look at completely different data sets and do stuff with it. So we just had Alan Cohen on from Illumio, Chief Commercial Officer, who said, they walk into a customer and say, how many rules do you have in your firewall rules? They're four million, he goes, how many are active? They go, we don't know. That brings up the whole cyber threat. Obviously incidents are up, breaches are up. This is now commonplace. What do customers do? Besides just sit there and cry in their beer or weep in their wine, what do they do? They just get, they call you guys up, you guys deploy some software, is it big data? Yeah, well, unfortunately, they haven't had a lot of choices, right? I mean, SEM has been the answer to everything, it's all rules-based and it doesn't really solve for a lot of the newer advanced persistent threats in the newer ways that people are being attacked. You're never going to catch the guy coming in through the air conditioning system, for instance, by the time of traditional rules-based models, because you don't know to look for that. What's really becoming important is getting learning models that can actually look at behavior and detect anomalies, build clusters around it and then figure out, is this really something an analyst should look at? Because if you look at some of the socks that are around the globe that we run, right, some of them get millions of alerts every day. Even with a thousand people, you can't cover a million alerts. So if you're trying to look at those in action, them and do something about it to catch that one that's really a problem, you've got to do really advanced analytics. So the two realms are crossing, hence the reason they've joined the groups and I've taken the CTO role for both in cloud as well, is pulling all that together has become incredibly important as people change where they run, what they're running on. I also have the mobile side of the house, too. So talk about the CIA. Obviously, not you clearly can talk about the CIA because you don't work there, but the CIA's relationship with Amazon. I find it to be a trend that really speaks to what the consumerization of IT is turning into. The CIA's announcing basically that they're using Amazon for all their consumption, and that's a government agency. If they're using Amazon and they move like glacier speeds, punintending, what does an enterprise do? Yeah, it's interesting because one of our guys from our defense and intelligence group is speaking here at the conference on Thursday about moving the government to the cloud and the defense group and that's one of the big things. Those three letter agencies you're talking about, getting them migrated over, keeping them secure, getting better data security around it. We're even open sourcing a project called EasyBake that came out of one of those three letter agencies that the CSE wrote for them, and we're now going to open source that and make it available to commercial market because the way data is secured has to be at the object level now and it has to be abstracted away because you don't know where it's going to run. It might be running in AWS, it might be running in a data center, it might be running on somebody's mobile phone, and all those have to be the same level of security. So what is the biggest security challenge right now that you see in the current state of the enterprise? I think the biggest problem is people still think about securing something and whether it's securing a server, a data center, securing something at the edge, whatever it is, they're thinking about securing something, being a physical object of some sort. What people need to start thinking about is securing the data as an object. I don't really care about if you compromise my server if it has nothing on it that matters that you can get to. If I secured the data object and made that completely secure, I actually don't care where it runs, I don't care what it's doing, as long as you can't get to it and do anything meaningful with it, it just doesn't matter. Is it a big data problem or is it a compute problem? What is the current market bear for you as a tool, tooling resource? Well, so I think it's a data security problem, which everything is a big data problem now because it's a marketing term, but from a data, it is a data problem and it is an advanced analytics problem, whether the data set's really small or really large, securing at the object layer that piece of data and then be able to trust back the identity of the person to be able to get to that data object. So I don't care if my CEO's laptop is stolen because everything on his laptop is useless unless my CEO is there to provide the right authentication to get to the data object with the right challenge. Like doing the Apple does, which is you blow away the hard drive. The minute it boots up. That's the don't get it back way, but I actually might want to be able to get something back at some point. Just in case I recover the device, I might want to actually be able to get the data back off of it rather than a once in zero wipe and then it's completely worthless. I mean, it's really hard to do time machine for the enterprise, you think about it because there's a lot of things going on there with security. Well, talking about CSC, what are the biggest things that you're working on right now that you're excited about? I mean, a lot of people don't know but CSC is really doing a lot of work. I'm on the tech talk, the tech town halls, crowd chats all the time, great smart people there. You guys are building your own products, your own cloud for customers. Yeah, we've- You're not just a channel partner, you're a channel system. That is true. We have done a whole lot of stuff over the last couple of years with acquisitions, companies like 426 and the events of intelligence and info chimps on the commercial side of big data, service match for the agility product and cloud orchestration and on and on. There's many of them, some very small and some much larger. But CSC is becoming a product company in this emerging business group. We're focusing on the things that our customers talk to us about. When I go out and talk to CIO, it's the conversations about how do I get better analytics or how do I migrate certain workloads to the cloud in a secure way and make sure that I'm not at risk for any of my high risk units within the company, whatever that is. How do I improve my manufacturing process? All these are data and analytics problems. They're cybersecurity problems. They're cloud problems and helping them kind of understand and set their strategy and then leverage the products together as well as partner products. We don't really work without partners. We do big data and analytics, for instance. All of our cloud implementations to data on AWS, all of our in-data center virtual ones are on OpenStack. We've done a lot of code committing even back to the Red Hat OpenStack group. Let's talk about OpenStack. OpenStack is really one of those things I have a problem with because I hate OpenStack. No, I love OpenStack. Here's my take on OpenStack. I love OpenStack. I hate OpenStack. I love OpenStack. And now I'm like, openStack, make it. So at first, OpenStack was clearly a beautiful thing. And then it became like a marketing ploy for people. Then they cleaned up the community and got it on track. And now, while those consolidations are happening, people are concerned, is OpenStack going to make it as real? Well, we've bet very heavily on it, so I really hope so. It's better, right? So is HP. Yeah, I mean, we're committing code back on a really regular basis for my teams to the OpenStack community. We're working with Red Hat to get a lot of next generation of Red Hat body tank. So we're helping to move forward the Seth work that's been going on with a lot of the other vendors out there that are relying on it to be important. I mean, we've done a bunch of stuff with the Swift work. We're pulling our partner network together, which is all of the big boys. And we're forcing them to work with this model of OpenStack because it really works well for us, for orchestration, for peaking and valleys and the workloads and delivering to our customers what they need at the given time. Are you comfortable that there's a lot of meat on the bone at OpenStack right now? A lot of people are looking at the migration in and out of OpenStack. And the consolidation recently, cloud scaling that sold to EMC for a yard sale, and Josh McKinty left to join Pivotal. He was the founder of a company. The founder leaving, it's like, what? That's a red flag. Yeah, well, to me, I think there's a lot of things going on in that space. But I think, luckily, you have people like Red Hat who are making a big play, right? I mean, they're really investing a lot in it. They're buying up a lot of the people who are contributing code, and they're making a lot of inroads and because they're doing it so is Oracle, because Oracle always does the same thing Red Hat does when it comes to that side of the house. So there's a lot of big heavyweight being thrown behind it, and people who are traditionally open source groups. I mean, Oracle obviously not known for being open source, but that whole group in Oracle is very open source focused. So you've got a lot of heavyweight money behind it, and you've got guys who know what they're doing in the open source community behind it. So I think there's a lot of play in it, and we're having a lot of success with customers. Yeah, I was talking to Alumeo, and I love talking to startups about this too, and doing the startup myself with CrowdChat, is there's two ways to get paid, investors and customers. Right. So in your case, OpenStack, the investors are the vendors. Look at the names, HB, Red Hat. So maybe there's an oligopoly for me. Maybe that's my view, but okay, you need some gravity, and then you have customers. And I just don't see the customer attraction. Can you share with me what you're seeing, because some people say, oh, customers are shipping with code, all this stuff's going on. I don't see the cars coming off the assembly line. I see a lot of build your own car kind of thing, hobbyist, hacker, maker, culture in cloud, but is OpenStack rolling out, or is it too early to tell? Well, we have a couple hundred new clusters running in the big data world on OpenStack today. We've got a number of our customers who are doing smaller things. We've got opportunity right now. We're looking at for early next year. That's about 300 nodes on OpenStack. So all over the board, we're getting more and more OpenStack progress. So yeah, I think it really is starting to be adopted, and these are big enterprise players. They're global 1,000 companies. They're not little bitty shops for us. Well, I got to say, the next generation infrastructure is being defined by CSC. You guys provide a lot of solutions, strategy, roadmaps, and certainly the cyber and new emerging areas. Can you define that one more time for us, the area you work on? Is it the hardcore cyber security? Yeah, so we're looking at all the next generation stuff. So we're looking at big data and analytics. We're looking at the next generation cyber security. We still have the traditional MSSB model too, and we're still one of the biggest there, but we're looking at the new stuff. We're looking very heavily in my groups at what we're doing with cloud and the agility platform, cloud migrations, supports for stuff like OpenShift and Azure and AWS and all those, as well as on the IoT side, we're doing a lot of stuff to work with our customers to define what IoT really is for manufacturing, for the mining industry, and a project we have called SmartX. And then when you talked about the next generation infrastructure, we're leveraging a lot of the relationships we have with the big vendors of the world in our SI role and the traditional part of our company to get them to move in a direction that's working for our customers. So we're taking a lot of feedback. Our big customer conference, Aspire, was, this is previous week, and we got a lot of feedback from our customers on what they want to see and a lot of stuff they don't want to see. And they told us our stuff that they don't want, so we're getting rid of it and we're doing portfolio rationalization based on what customers' demands are and mapping it to the technologies that we understand. I think you guys have a really good opportunity. I think you guys actually look like you have a little bit more going on than a century, in my opinion, with the whole sort of how you bring in technology. But what's interesting is that what Amazon does here at this event is what they're going for is, they want to be the data center in the cloud. Now that's, you can wish that and hope that. The reality is no one's there yet, but they're going there. It's pretty obvious. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to connect the dots. So what's the mediest engagement that you're in that you feel shows that direction and that there will soon be an enterprise in the cloud? What are some of the things that you're pulling together that kind of tease out that direction? Yeah, that's the reason we're bringing these groups together and this is a recent announcement within the last quarter to bring us all together and they move me into this role to take them all on. We're really seeing from our customers if they are moving to the cloud and they stop, it's because they have a cybersecurity issue or they can't figure out how to secure their data or it's one of these things which basically bringing these all together gets us a next generation offering that encapsulates all that together and kind of helps, you know, we can meet with the compliance officers, we can meet with the security guys, we can meet with all the folks and say what is it that you need to see in order to get you to that next step? So, you know, bringing these together and working with all of them in combination is really what's making it possible for people to make that move because it's generally a CIO who doesn't want to lose his crew of 500 people or a CISO who wants to be relevant or a compliance officer who says, oh no, we can't do that cloud thing because I don't understand it. It's not really as much of a technical hurdle anymore as it is a perception hurdle and we're trying to address that. All right, Eddie, we're getting the break here but I want to give you the last word. Share with the folks out there the vibe here at Amazon. What's going on with this show? How important is Amazon the future of our next generation and revolution, computing revolution? And I see they're kicking ass, kicking names. What's your view? Yeah, I mean, AWS is critical to our strategy from the big data group, from the cyber group, from the cloud group, all the stuff we're doing as well as with IoT and some of the initiatives we got going on mining and manufacturing. That's all relying on AWS as a core for it. So, and they're hugely important to us and if you look at all the vendors around here and I've talked to several of them today, I mean, there's new vendors popping up just to support AWS where there's several of the companies I talked to here that their whole business is built on AWS. I mean, we're betting a big portion of ours but there's companies here who wouldn't exist without that there and they're building an ecosystem around them that's really become quite amazing. Awesome. 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