 Military intervention is not the solution to the ongoing political situation in the country, says President of Team Nigeria for Change, Besman Inze Jumbo. Even as the camp of the president elected as Suwaju Bola-Tinobu disclosed that the way official is served with copies of the petition's file that the election tribunal by Labour Party presidential candidate Peter Obi and his counterpart in the People's Democratic Party at Tiku, Abu Bakar. Tonight, we discuss the calls for interim government to bring calm to the issues that may have come with the outcome of the 2023 elections. This is Plus Politics. My name is Nyam Ghur Aghaji. The alleged call by some groups for the military to interfere in the ongoing political situation in the country has been described as utterly ridiculous and condemnable. According to political veterans, those who grew up during the military era and who witnessed some of the harrowing experiences of the period will never ever wish for its return to the administration of the country. According to them, all over the world the appropriate thing to do by those who are grieved by the outcome of a democratic process is the court of law, as clearly stipulated in the constitution of Nigeria and as globally recognized by all nations and the United Nations as well. So the Interparty Advice Free Council, IPAC, has asked the Department of State Security DSS to identify, arrest and prosecute the persons behind the plot to install an interim government in the country. IPAC said it rejects any attempt to scuttle, subvert and truncate the nation's emerging democracy by reactionary and retrogressive forces. Recall that the DSS had said that the plan to install interim government in Nigeria is real and therefore want those behind it to desist from it. Also the governor of Platu stage, Simon Lalong in Abuja, said an interim government too allegedly taught the inauguration of Bola Tilugu would not work under the watch of President Muhammad Abu Hari. Lalong said this shortly after an audience with President Abu Hari at Asu Rock. This comes barely 24 hours after the presidential campaign council of the all-progressive Congress and the People's Democratic Party challenged the Department of State Services to apprehend plotters of the interim national government. Let's hear what he has to say. Take a listen. Go forbid that, I will always say God forbid that. Nigerians will always say God forbid that. Not under the administration of President Abu Hari who has been saying it every time that I believe in democracy. I believe that after my tenure I want to go and rest. He said it today that I am going back to Daurah and I told him that we as some of us will still disturb you in Daurah. So this man has worked very well for democracy, he has initiated, laid down the foundation, we work, we elected a president and some people will still have a dream to even say they will cotton this democracy. Many people will fight, will fight against it. So those who are still talking about it I will say they are just dreaming, they are just doing their dreaming because those of us who work for this mandate believe that by the grace of God President Abu Hari is going to bring a successor and that successor is already as Swajib Wala admitted. Well we've heard Simon Lalong there talking about the impossibility of this ever happening. We have joining us live to discuss this, Mayokun Iloh, a former governorship aspirant of the APC Nogul State and Taiwo Olakwa Day, a public affairs analyst. Thank you gentlemen for joining us on the show. Thank you for having me here. Okay. Let me begin with you Mr Iloh. I'm glad to be on the show but you can see me. Let me begin with Mr Iloh on this issue. They are talking about an interim government while a lot of people are condemning the act and some people are condemning the fact that DSS came out to even say it at all without taking any action on whoever they might have credible information is fomenting trouble or is going to or is looking for ways to install interim government and all that. Some are saying it's just a distraction that should not even be talked about but better issues, more weighing issues, more weighty issues rather should be discussed. What is your perspective about what is going on right now, interim government really? Do you think it is a possibility in the first place? Well as Bandela said everything seems impossible until it is done. So while at the first instance I want to wave it off dismissively but on second thoughts I have to agree that eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. The things we take for granted, who would think that Germany with all these years of democracy as at December 7th of this 2022, barely three, four months ago, about 25 people were rounded up, arrested, about 130 locations were searched, 5000 policemen were involved or attempts to scuttle their own democracy as it were. It was a classic coup d'etat as they would call it. So if it can happen there, it's happened all over Africa before, even lately in places like Mali, Bokuna Faso and the rest of it. So you have to be awake to your responsibility, you have to ask questions, you have to know that everything that can be done should be done to make sure that this hard one democracy is preserved at all costs. And the people from my own perspective who are involved in this, there's a class that has been used as the puns on the chessboard and those are those who are disgruntled with the results of the last elections. Fine, from time immemorial elections in Nigeria have always come with recriminations, with contests, with disagreements and the rest of it but that is why we have the courts of law or grievances to be addressed. It is not up to anybody to take the laws into his or her hands but the second class of people are people that actually have the means to form an impression in the country. So those who really have the means are the ones plotting, meanwhile those who are feeling disgruntled who feel that okay they have the right to organize or to protest if not well taken care of, the right to protest is guaranteed in the Constitution but don't be used as puns in a game of which you know nothing about. Don't be used to scuttle with democracy that at the end of the day which becomes and will become an ill wind that blows no one any good. So while the court is misplaced it should not be taken lightly. USS and all the other arms of government should take their duty seriously and dig deep into this and bring everyone under the rule of law. Okay let me also ask your lapade to give your comments on what is going on here, interim government. Okay so tell give us your comments on the issue. Taiwo can you hear me? Oh I can hear you loud and clear. Okay go ahead give us your comments please. You asked the question about okay you asked the question about the move by some Nigerians asking for interim government. First and foremost I must put on record that yes I was saying that I must put on record that just like the plastic governor said Mr. Salmon Lailong the president made it clear that he is not ready to stay one day behind in office after May 29th 2023. And I'm one of many Nigerians that want to take the president for his works. The man is saying that he's tired you remember the time he said that he's tired that he wants to return to his farm in Kasina and I'm not sure the president has changed this position particularly when we have an election though some people are saying it's not really free and free but we have a president-elect and truly if you look at Section 41 of the Criminal Code Act the word tracing the punishment for tracing is death why the punishment for treasonable felony is life imprisonment maybe people who are making these comments who are making this agitation they don't know the implication of what they are talking about any form of insurrection definitely is against the law is illegal and it is punishable on that the Nigerian Criminal Code Act and if you also recall we have seen some prominent Nigerian lawyers like SCN Mr. Okay, Taewo your audio is a little bit not friendly I do hope that you can connect better with us and we hear you more. Mr. Lo let me come back to you Taewo just said something and we heard from Simon Lalong as well that he met with the president and the president said that it will not happen from all the body language and whatever the president said it will not happen and the president has said a long time ago that he's tired he wants to go and rest now this statement might seem to be very decisive he has taken a decision that he will not stay a day more but if you're standing on another divide you could also see the statement as a statement made by someone who doesn't care because if it comes to a problem that maybe the inauguration will not take place god forbid like Simon Lalong said we're saying god forbid but if it happens that there will be some kind of uprising or some kind of situation where the inauguration may not hold and the president is saying he cannot stay even one day what if it needs him to stay one two days two weeks two months beyond May 25 how do you x-ray the statement of the president that no matter what happens May 29 he's leaving office Mr. Ilo please yeah yeah if we take our mind back to where we had president here and we are in office at some point he will seek flown abroad maybe in comunicado for some time the the senate came up with what you call the doctrine of necessity that allow transfer of power to vice president good luck Jonathan at the time yeah there is no condition president or not handing over power on May 29th the president is bound by the oath of office he took eight years ago to leave office not later than May 29th of 2023 that is part one part two an election has been conducted a winner has been declared a certificate of return has been issued to that person that person didn't die that person is not in comunicado the transition process has commenced as demanded by law so there's really no room for anyone coming up with the idea of entering national government is an aberration in law even under the military the supreme court ruled that the entering government of shoneko at the time was a blatant disregard for the rule of law you had a having food blown military dictatorship or you have civilian democracy like we are practicing there is nothing like in terry government there is no room for it so for all those clamoring for that i see them all as bad users who maybe had the means to cause some dramatic change in the system and they are exploring it but that is why we have organs of government let them do their their beats i just want people who are you know are knowledgeable in the schemes of power to not allow themselves to be used as funds in this elaborate game of of change that have been played by power brokers uh nigella is bigger than any individual is bigger than any section of the country is an agglomeration of people of different ethnic nationalities we should respect ourselves respect the constitution that we have in place if you have not seen war before you will think it is a is a ride in the park war is war and war doesn't do good for anybody even doesn't blow anybody any good when reinforced it falls on anybody you know not mind whether you like it or not so those are the issues at play we have a president elect the process was not perfect there's no process that is perfect even trump us might be the oldest democracy in the world but even now they are having issues you know involved with trump his team and the rest of even trump didn't believe he lost that election but lost have to be followed by that's january 28th of 2021 by 10 a.m he was on the first one out of white house whatever he thinks about the process doesn't matter power must be transferred the they are shaman joint chief of staffs i remember he made a statement around that time that we we don't swear allegiance to one person we swear allegiance to the constitution so whether even bwari likes it or not by may 29 he ceases to be the president of the country thank goodness he has realized that he knows that we tattooed and he has told us that is no interest so it's not about whether he's tired or not the the constitution actually makes room for the extension of the time of office of a sitting president in the case of war or general destruction of society in which maybe transfer of power is impossible which is something like war maybe elections could not be helped this is not such a situation and we should not invite anarchy in the process that clearly has its demarcations and the redress can be sought through the courts of law i'm sure most of those who are taking part in the election are lost if you ask a ticket today it will tell you there's no nobody should talk about interim nationality if you ask him because he has his business interest he has a life outside politics so he doesn't want something that will come in and there will be sounded into prison when military came in uh was in 1985 or 1983 some people are put on as a rest for years on hand is this what we are calling for so those who are clamoring or thinking calls for interim government is to hand over to a particular person after six months it's like they're still living in dreamland it's time to wake up okay um like you said the process may not have been very uh perfect and there is no process uh process that is perfect like you said and i agree with you but while we are we are in these uh in this period in this process of making our democracy good enough and until the handing over which is supposed to be on may 29 do you think we're asking the right questions or just behaving like okay we have the answers already because however we look at it anything that comes from a process that is not perfect needs some kind of healing afterwards and then life goes on as it is are we asking the right questions are we doing the right things to make sure that that healing really comes and we forge ahead as a country or not well we are doing the right things although more can stay be done more will still be done this this presidency is winding down for good or for bad i hopefully for the better you know so uh it's in a lame dog situation there's really nothing more you cannot come with uh with major policy issues at this stage what we need is healing sometimes when you have wounds on your leg or your arms time heals those wounds there's the element of time and the president elect to all intents and purposes has you know given out the only price to his opponents he has asked for an inclusive government he has talked about competence he has talked about the things he wants to do there are more things that could be done it is not all to do who lost today not to throw the baby out with the patch water there is always time to run again even when you lose how many times you worry can contest the elections before eventually became president it's it's not every time that the moment you ask for something is given to you power is never server like that people struggle for power so it's a good thing that maybe pitao b2 has found that okay more things needed to be done the the thing is is a marathon is not a sprint so we are strive for the last eight months trying to maybe reach out to the different parts of the country his message may not resonate as widely as he wants it today but if he keeps the faith we might just have some way in the future where we will find out what whatever he's looking for so power power as people will say comes from god i i agree partially with that statement but at the same time we should also realize that we the peace we have won from people have died for it we should not throw it we should not handle it with levity we should not be counter-cross we should not do the kind of fight i would do and we put everything on the table by the end of the day everybody loses that is not what we are looking for the direction where we belong to we we've had children we have people are ahead of us we have people behind us i remember my experiences during some crisis in legos i think during the answers i it wasn't our outright war but it's not something i i prayed to to god to witness again there was a kind of miscommunication between me and my own parents and i wasn't really happy about it my mom called for me because of the state of affairs i couldn't venture out imagine if i was out of the country imagine if it was it was really war and for months you can't reach the loved ones that you have these are just snippets of things that can happen if you ask those who witnessed the civil war of nigeria 1967 to 1970 if they tell you they sit you down tell you stories you know if you want to see anything that resembles anarchy that is that is my own administration to whoever is calling for anarchy because called for internal government is actually called towards anarchy in the country it should be rejected okay as we as we go on to these healing process what are some of the things that you would recommend that we as a country we do and apart from only the political actors they have a a greater role to play a greater part to play in this whole thing but what do we need to do or start doing to make sure these healing comes you have said the president elect has you know extended an olive branch to the people who lost or who yeah who lost let's let's use that who lost and or the major political actors in this whole thing so what can we do for this healing to be fast for this healing to be to be complete before the day of handing over and even beyond well those who lost already have request to the law you know i don't begrudge anybody for approaching the courts even buahari approach the courts on each of the three or four occasions in which he lost the presidential elections it was his rights to do and he showed him as a true democrat the moment the supreme court pronounces everybody should go home but try to set up the cgn the supreme court the system is what i'm up against you know there have been some social media activism and social media world that people have been fighting those kind of rhetoric should be toned down you know we don't want dss now looking for people on social media whoever it is that is you know some of the people that are instigating the crisis on social media because we should not take those likely even maybe not even in the country but because of the you know the anonymity involved in social media life people can be instigating things from behind the scenes towards unknown unknown ends so that is that so we are as individuals we should know that okay this country belongs to all of us whatever it is we are fighting for is not what the blood of any Nigerian it was actually a former president has said that that his ambition is not what the blood of any Nigerian so the same should be said in churches in most among you know whoever it is that is conversant that we can disagree but we should know that at the end of the day the love of the country should be uppermost in our hearts people have been demarcating Nigeria and and going about it as if it's something people have been writing petitions to icc people have been talking about using one person or the other it is this our president is this our somebody has won you know the the the same way in which we have the rights and then although your right is one vote during the election the other person whether educated or uneducated as the same that that's the beauty of democracy so when the people speak everybody should say okay the minority we have their say but the majority we always carry the day so that is what has happened we should respect it another four years we call it we never know we've had minority person rule this country before in the person of a village Jonathan the whole country supported him he became president he became vice president even in his own election he became president so that is to tell you that at the end of the day with the right language anybody can become anything in Nigeria democracy the best democracy according to our world is better the world democracy is said is better than the world the best military rule that is to tell you from we should take it from those who have come before us that liberty has a price and vigilance is the price of it okay let me let me try Olakwade again before now the audio was not very good that's why we had to just put you on hold Olakwade are you back now with us can you hear me yes okay thank you very much it's it's it's better now um we're talking about the healing process before we go into other things and I've just asked Mr. Ilo here to give us his own perspective and tell us some of the pointers he would like to see so that we will have this healing fast and and complete before they're handing over and beyond the handing over date so I'd like to also hear from you what are some of the things that you would recommend that we start to do as a nation to make to bring about this healing that we so desire right now well for me I expect the president to let to form a government of national unity I think if the president lets who starts on that tradition it's without the tension that we are having in the country a government of national unity in which competence will also be the order of the day that are notorious in different parts of the country who are competent to be ministers who are competent to be directly generous who are competent to be mp's and the gm of different parameters ministries as the case may be uh with the fallout of this election I expect that the president's legs will want to consider a government of national unity after that has been said I also want to put on record that that like the earlier speaker said we cannot throw away the baby with the backwater and we have seen cases in the past in this country where people who some felt lost out at the election and approached the court the tribunal to retrieve their mandates eventually they got back their mandates since they believed the one that a letter presents it is on records that former governor of embossed states won back his mandate he retrieved his mandates at the election tribunal it is on record that former governor of a new state also retrieved his mandates at election petition tribunal also of recent governor of ozodema of female states also got back his mandates as election tribunal who says anyone who felt agreed by the outcome of this election cannot approach election petition tribunal with concrete convincing evidence documented evidence and approach the court that's why we have the judiciary and I want to advise that we should also have trust in our judicial system they have done in the past and who says in the aftermath of this election people who felt like oh I was treated I was rigged out I was not giving the mandates given to me by the people go to the court and you know convince the courts why we should be the one declared as the winner in the long run but for somebody to be you know for some people rather to be uh uh to be instigating violence on insurrection imagine that when we have a chaos when we have a breakdown of law and other in the country and eventually in your mandates you stop who are the people that you want to govern in this election we had cases of governors who made an attempt to return for second time that were defeated in this election we have governors who have served two times of eight years but made an attempt to go to national assembly particularly the senate who were defeated I can give you two three not two three four cases the governor of bennett state samuel autumn made an attempt to to to get to the senate he was defeated the governor of plato state samuel landlord made an attempt to get to the senate after community terms as governor he was defeated that's the sitting governor's the governor of of uh okay so i'd be a state he also made an attempt to go to the senate is sitting down in convent governor if i want also made that this is governor's who people believe are powerful particularly when you talk about the power of the converse but because of the transparency in this election who says they couldn't you know they couldn't they couldn't win the election and that's show hello taiwo okay we will reconnect with taiwo as soon as possible but let me come back to you mr illo you contested to be a governor in your state or good state even though you didn't make it but i'm sure you had programs planned for your state i'm sure you had a lot of you had vision for your for your state and this question i'm about to ask you is what we have been talking about whether we can separate uh these two things i'm calling now the president elect said when people were calling for a government of national unity which both of you have just talked about now he said he favors confid competence over unity that nigera does not need a a country or a government of national unity or instead nigera needs a government of national competence maybe i do not understand these words can we have a country that will explore the competence of its people without having a government that seeks to unite the people that has an agenda also as a government of national unity can we separate these two from each other mr illo yeah it depends on which perspective you are looking at the issues from the fact that he prioritized competence over so-called unity does not mean that he does not believe in unity you have to look at the man's uh antecedents uh if there's anybody that is liberal that is progressive among the governors you know since 1999 it should be the president elect volatil nobo he was the one i was telling everyone when they were asking for a city go to legal see what i have done he takes a level of confidence to tell anybody that and its its actions actually spoke volumes you know those who believed in him believed in his mentorship believes in his leadership believes in his network they were there all around for him and that if there was anything he had that made him stand head and shoulder above his rivals at the time it was it was those those things from the people that work for him that went on to become who is who in Nigeria you know reference points for leadership and good behavior and uh you know pragmatic leadership in public office device under his tutelage so if he's talking about competence you have to know that okay does that mean he does not believe in the government of national unity even the the the talk about government of national unity depends on the perspective from which you are coming you know anybody can use that to tell you okay bring every term dick and harry under your government just to be seen as being pro nigeria or pro unity i don't also believe in that you know but that does not mean that every region does not have competent people so it might be telling you i will look for competent people from every region i'm not obligated to pick my political rivals and put them in my cabinet just because i want to be seen as as uh you know running a government of national units that should don't be what you have to look for people whose ideologies uh align with your own to work with you you know if if it's your opponent and you feel they are ready and willing to work with you so be it but it's not under obligation because it doesn't require to to appoint his political opponent into into office the the president elects on being sworn in when you become president you have at least about six to eight thousand appointments that you should make within a four year period so he can he has the priority the prerogative to put anybody in any office as long as he believes that he will be able to deliver so he's not obligated to give anybody that position just for the sake of being his political opponent or for the sake of optics alone you know at the end of the day he he has to answer to the Nigerian people if there's any you know insight or peeping i can see from from his from his body language and from interacting with people close to him he's going to eat the ground running maybe partly because he has to prove skeptics wrong and partly because that's his nature of who he is you know so we might see him nominating his cabinet even before being sworn in to tell you that i'm not going to wait for six months or three months before i nominate my ministers he has spent two damn people that we do some people think okay uh the president is supposed to be this athletic or this whatever we are not trying to elect us in both here we are looking for somebody who can manage the complex uh project called Nigeria and puts important people uh competent people in in the right of his square pecs in squares as they will say round pecs in round holes so that Nigeria can move forward we we've languished long enough in the back quarters of development so if for once we get somebody who understands what it means to to put an economy first to put food on the you know do policies that will put food and put unemployment away for good at least reduce it to a bare minimum why should we be having 33% unemployment in this day and age UK has about 34% they are complaining so people need to be put to work if you ask me as an economist i will tell you for free that 70% of the problem we are having in this country is on account of unemployment even more than any it's not even corruption it's unemployment if government can fix unemployment the issue of terrorism will die natural add it if you go to work in the morning and you come back six seven p.m and you are already tired if somebody tells you let's go and make trouble my brother you will say no i need to rest and if you work for a year or two you begin to think what can i buy what tries to cook and i buy to you know become a second leg for me those are the things that give people hope in the government and hope in the future of their country when those indices are missing people begin to think of a crime and other things that are not the fitting of the number of Monday okay Taro is back here with us and we're trying to analyze what the president elect said he said he has no intention of building a government of national unity over a government of national competence he would rather choose a national a government of national competence over unity so we're trying to analyze these uh uh statement how do you see it well like i said uh when i was talking about uh the need for government of national unity the second leg of what i said was uh the need to also not compromise merits and standard i made reference to that and i said in all part of the country maybe south south south west south east uh and not waste not any part of the country there is no parts that cannot produce somebody of high integrity that we serve as minister that we serve as dgs of para status that we serve as md's of government agencies and you know in the spirits of the federal character it is also expected that uh the ministers will also be appointed in each state of the federation we have the resisted and the fcd each state is expected to also not eliminate a minister in the cabinet of the president elect you know that are ministries that has minister and minister for states but and then federal character is that these states will have a minister that sent in dustings in the federal cabinet so perhaps i expect because of the tension in the land the government of national unity is not there is not there is not something unexpected and like ashua you said when was asked this similar question what is so easy but we need to appoint people based on merits that we need merit now to be able to put up a ministers through reform of our country to be able to correct the mistakes of the past and and to be able to also work demanded as governor of mega state within the eight years that is served we have people who are from different part of the country we have people who are houses we have people who are the people are origin in the government of in the cabinet of tinu as governor of mega state and that has been the tradition that has been the trajectory since the left office in 2007 there is no government that we have had in mega state that do not have people from other tribes and that shows the spirit of national unity that shows the spirit of a sense of belonging for every part of the country for every religion and for every tribe and that is exactly what we need we need things that bring us together and not these or initiatives that will divide us more because in the in the recent past we have we have been divided if true must be told so whatever we need to do whatever ashua with the president let needs to do now is to be able to also unite us more and ensure that we have a spirit of brotherhood a spirit of a sportmanship and that must come into play so that we can have a negative pair that we all can have waste we don't need a negative where some people who are talking about insurrection talking about breakdown of law and other we don't need that we have had issues that the president will need to quickly settle down our resolve and i'm happy when mr. didiallaki was asked about how soon i would like you to see a government firm a cabinet formed by the president let he said in three weeks we will see a cabinet least sent to the national assembly for approval and i'm also happy that about few days ago the president also gave his accent to some bills passed by the national assembly and one of them was said the need for the president to let to also submit his time of three months or so and i'm not too i'm not surprised about that because when the president when president normal boy came into office he took him about six months to name his cabinet and then he does what i'm wondering uh is this selecting people from s where but eventually uh when the when the cabinet list came out it was the same people that we all know so people are wondering why why does he take him so long six months six months from four years that's what have we have been here why does he take him so long to name a cabinet so we do not expect to see a repeat of that in the government of ashiwagi as soon as he takes the mantle of leadership engineers are expecting that we will eat the grand warning immediately after may 29 that he takes the mantle of leadership president from president normal boy so we want to see a cabinet that will be formed immediately so that each person can know that they have the responsibility to quickly put his into shape so that nigerians can immediately begin to see uh the dividend of democracy the electoral electoral promises that ashiwagi we want to see it come into pass at at the speed of light nigerians don't want to wait particularly because of the fact that uh the fallout of this election so ashiwagi has the task to ensure that he's set to die in office and begin to deliver on his electoral promises to nigerians irrespective of the religion of wherever you are coming from okay um let me let me just let's just take this a few minutes that we have left and share in the experience of mayoku illo uh you are a former governorship aspirant of the apc in obu state uh my question to you now because we're interrogating the strength of our democracy and we have to look at all perspectives when politicians go into election maybe there are some things that they need to take along as it were and maybe there are things that they need to expect uh and it will be a good thing for you to share with us uh who the person who has contested in an election and lost but you are taking it in good faith what was your experience like because when we talk democracy we talk about the politicians themselves and we talk about the people so what was your experience like what do you think politicians who are going into uh politics maybe for the first time or maybe trying their hands out on elective positions for the first time what should they expect what should they go into that playing field with let's get from your experience please mr illo yeah i think i would just say politics is is a numbers game politics is and uh is a game of interest it's a game of reality for some it's a game of uh trying to to breathe the hot as it were sometimes it's pure luck you know when you find yourself in some certain position but it's something that is rewarding if if it works out your way if it doesn't work out your way you get some experiences about dealing with man beings you know there's a reason why people have been in public offices when when they leave there is all this rush by private sector companies to hire them because based on the network that they have gotten while they went into the politics based on the kind of insights they have about how public sector works because it drops off on interactions uh that you can use as a private sector company or individual so that that said uh Nigerian democracy is still fragile Nigerian democracy is still built around uh people rather than institutions with large extent but that said uh we'd rather be a toddler or a teenager than than be in the camp of military military boys uh democracy takes time to mature uh but a lot depends on the strength of character of the people that are there per time you know uh thank god for for judiciary even under the military we are strong judicial so we cannot afford to lose faith just because something didn't go our way you know at the first instance uh i i read the story of pitao b you know he it was the court that made him governor so to say his mandate was taken away by pdp at the time and they went to court he said he was in a board meeting when they called him and said this meeting cannot continue with you the court has just declared you winner you know that tells me he left his uh fate in the hands of the judiciary so and judiciary came true for him that doesn't mean that that same thing will happen now or if judiciary didn't rule your way that means the judiciary is corrupt or the cgn has been compromised no we have to believe as it should be that the judiciary is the last hope of the common man so sometimes what you get may not look like justice the judgment has to be respected especially when it's coming from the supreme court i've seen a lot of people try to force feed or force direct you know the course of nature the course of judiciary we we disagree to agree it may not be in our way today it's always been our way tomorrow you know sometimes you differ you know to superior judgment somebody became i think he's in a new group one of his new senators that contested against the man it wasn't the guy it was his elder brother that was supposed to contest but the guy was gruesome limo that helped he decided okay who is best to give he said okay give it to his younger brother now his younger brother is a senator in that if you look at the story in uh uh show states too you know we lost uh one senator adelike that was supposed to run for governor then apc denied maybe a cn at the time denied uh the younger brother that people wanted to replace senator adelike who they felt was poison somehow you know the truth of forfeit we don't know what he now you know at the end of the day apc gave it to somebody else or a cn gave it to somebody else he fought back and now he's governor you know subject to supreme court rulings another thing i need to point out is the the preponderance of cases uh that we usually have these days it's an issue for me i was listening to the great erudite lawyer phalano you know not long ago and he was talking about having thousands of cases you know like 120 cases at the supreme court now waiting for judgment all of them political you know political uh cases crowd outs other cases some that put down life and death of the defendants this should not be the case nigeria is the most dedicated country country in terms of elections in the world we should try and scale all these things down i need to put his house in order the nigerians too should keep the faith we are the one making i need to maybe with money bars and the rest of it to go in the direction that they are going you know induce me to stop so all these things are things that we can do to maybe strengthen our the office of everybody thank you very much thank you very much mr mayoko illo former governor shibasper and of the apc ogun state thank you for coming on the program today and we'll also say thank you thank you to taiwo alak alak alak by day for joining us on the show this evening well we are going to draw the curtain on plus politics on that note but we will leave you with the highlights of the week my name is nyam gul agadji have a good evening i look at the youthful energy that we have that is doing nothing you know so i'm just giving you a few examples of how if we increase production then the cost of living in nigeria we fall and not only that the other side of it is that as we increase production we are creating jobs employment for the young men and women who are leasing about not doing nothing because lepo is a factor of production and we're not using lepo in nigeria so many graduates leave class and maybe a class of 100 uh we graduate maybe about two to five of them will get a job the rest of them are just doing nothing imagine if we have 95 of them doing working immediately and just five of them still looking for work you can imagine how much production that will be happening in nigeria so what can we do the incoming government because if we are in government is already on the way out we can't tell them anything again so to set the agenda for the incoming government they need to take care of the basic things increase electricity bringing rain boost agriculture with mechanization take care of law enforcement so that some militants don't come and drive farmers away from their farms those those kind of basic things you will see that nigeria will take off and we'll start heading to becoming a developed nation one election in the us 19 in 2008 what happened some people in 13 states move the emotion of cessation from the from the from the confederation it was an opening some people from 13 states were trying to quote the constitution that they can succeed because they never like to buy my black one to be president so it chooses to try his old passports unused passport in the name of being angry that is that person is insignificant never have left nigeria so why is he carrying your past we are brought why not stay in nigeria we're not in nigeria are we fools we are making a living out of nigeria i've not left this country all that i've made a life is in nigeria i've not left nigeria i only go out of nigeria for holidays so all that i've made in nigeria others have made in my life is in nigeria people have made it big in nigeria so if you choose to be a refugee abroad because you are lazy you cannot a class to live in nigeria and you are abroad and you are getting your country and turning your passport that is your responsibility you are you are you are insignificant just like that statement by the judge taking about living in nigeria he's one man and we have left and we are all here as i'm driving There are people who are working on the streets, they cannot even live in. Go to the UK, there are people who are working on the streets. Go to, I've traveled wide in this world. Go to even the most prosperous country, talking about Singapore. You see people working on the streets. So if anybody felt that he was afraid about the election, and then he chose passport, of what value is that to the person? I mean to Nigerians, we are over 200 million. And if people choose, people change nationality. Every day, people are asking to become Nigerians. People have plans to become Nigerians. So people have plans to become British, to become Australian, to become American. So it's a few words. But what I'm saying in essence is this. In terms of capacity, but the judge is not important to come up with capacity. Because all I say is let's not go there. He was government of those states. Please let him name his legacy in those states. And I'm sure he will name 200 legacies in Legos that he left. Even after he left office. So we are talking about capacity. So for me, we are talking about healing process. And it is an, he reached out. Volatilibu reached out after the election. Don't get me wrong, I've got parties and I'm not in any party. He reached out to his opponent and said they should join him. And what happened in Legos? Volatilibu issued a statement. So this is what I'm saying here, that his men are talking about that. What of others are talking to him every day? People are digging out all kinds of things from the real to the mundane. And then what is meant to keep quiet? Look, one truth, we look, we're in an internet age. We're in a social media age. Then one thing is keep running on social media. And we're in a perverse press age. That if things keep running and there's no rebuttal, it becomes the truth. For me, going forward to pursue such kind of reappearance is for us to have a deterrence mechanism. The reason why people go and sign such kind of things and they don't have, there's no deterrence mechanism is because there's no consequence. It will start having consequence management or an effective punishment of people who sign such a code and go against such a code. For example, I go to sign that, hey, my party's going to maintain everything signed in this document. We're not going to instigate violence. We're going to cause the state of arrest. And I go against our signature. I think there should be a sanction. Maybe I should be suspended from participating in any political office or maybe be withdrawn. Just like what is happening in the United States as it is now where people are trying to hold down a top accountable for the incident that transpired in Washington, D.C. So we should have government and institution in place that will hold this gas accountable so that they will understand that, hey, they're not bigger than Nigeria. They're not bigger than this country. Because I tell you, Papriogadji, that somebody is lying to us. Some people are lying to us in this country. And I know the people that are lying to us. They are the politicians. Until now, we never knew that the Igbo, if your mother is not an Igbo woman or your father is not an Igbo man or a Yereba man or whatever it may be or maybe tribal difference, you cannot hold a position. That is tribal brutality. That is economic brutality. It is very, very wrong. I would need to pass that off from our political space. So we need to identify those who are lying to us and identify the liars of this, the liars in this scenario. The politicians are lying to us. The Igbo's are good people. The Yerebas are good people. The Hauses are good people. And from the Isha Kingdom, the Ishas are good people.