 Welcome everybody. This is a new podcast. We haven't thought of a name of it yet, but we will come up with a name for it because I think it deserves a name. It should have been four of us today. It isn't, it's three, but more on that next week. I am joined by Dave Vitty and Andy Busch, two huge Evertonians, and we're going to have a chat about Everton and other stuff. Bake Goods, I think, might make an appearance in this and the art of paddle boarding as well. Gentlemen, how are we? Very good. Thank you, Baz. Thank you for having us. You know, we're obviously disappointed that in the maiden voyage of this new adventure that Ped couldn't make it in because Ped still thinks that he's working nice even though he doesn't work nice anymore. But you know, we can deal with that perhaps in episode two if we get that far, but I think so far it's a strong start. As I say, thanks for having me and Andy along. Absolutely pleasure. It's great to be here man. Thank you very much. I'm very, very good. I'm very, very good. Like I say, obviously we've got issues with Ped which we'll need to deal with and maybe that can be an element of this podcast is working him through his post-taxi driver PTSD thing, but we'll get there together. Absolutely. I think it'll take more than us three to be honest. We can have a go. We can have a go. Why not? Well, let's get into a little bit of football to start with. Our team played a, I would say a thrilling nil nil draw. For a nil nil draw, I thought it was an absolutely brilliant game at the weekend, although both teams tried to win it. I thought for once, Everton really did stand toe to toe with Liverpool and tried to win it and didn't just hope to keep them out. So that was my take on it and I spent the best party yesterday talking about it so I'm not going to go on to see much about it. Dave, we'll begin with you. How did you see it? I'd agree with you 100%. I think the simple fact of the matter is that that's the game that we were lost at last season, undoubtedly. I think it was a thrilling nil nil game. I think it had everything. I thought it was a great watch and not even just from a partisan point of view. But also, I think it just demonstrated the steps forward that have been made under Frank Lampard. I know it is small baby steps, but he's trying to create something there and he's trying to obviously get different personnel in. He's trying to change the mentality of the players and I think that you saw a side who had been not only improved in most departments, but also I think you saw a side who were playing together and fighting for each other and that whole adage of running through a brick wall for other people. I think that's what you got and that can only be a good thing. Mr Bush, how did you see it? I totally agree with what Dave was saying. I feel like we've got Everton back again. I've got my Everton back because I've been banging on to loads of people for ages. I'm not really that bothered about the style of football or the slick passing or anything like that. I just want us to go back to being nasty and terrifying and people don't want to come to goodness anymore. Do you remember something that happened along the way where we made an adjustment to our way of playing and then suddenly everyone used to come and take the mickey out of us or we'd turn around a team's losing streak or if there was a player I hadn't scored in X amount of games. Don't you worry Everton will turn that around for you. We just used to roll over and be petrified of everyone and something's happened. I think it starts with the signings of... A couple of signings that were everyone at the beginning was a bit like, like Tarkowski and Connor Cody, but I feel like we've got a nasty, sly edge back to us again and just the way Tarkowski stepped in and pushed someone off Gordon the other week and stuff like that as well, like we've got our fight and our battle back and that for me above everything else is just like I feel like we're going in the right direction and yeah, we've not got lots of points, but my God, can you see the turnaround and that Frank's plan is working and it's an amazing thing. I'm completely on board with it. I don't know how you guys feel, but I feel completely locked in and I feel like at the moment Frank Lampard is the guy that's going to take us out of this misery that we've had. I think both of you make really good points there and this is something that I don't want to kind of like go into hard on Roberto Martinez, but it's something that started under that, I think. We'd had the blood and thunder of David Moyes to varying degrees of success, you know, we'd give people a game, people didn't like coming to go to Schum, we had quite a good record against the top six at home, even though Everton were very much part of the top six, but it's never called that in them days. We were good against them at home, we weren't so good against them away, we knew that, but we beat a lot of other teams comfortably at Goddison and we were the game for everyone. And then Roberto Martinez coming and started trying to play more exciting, if you like, or a nicer on the ice brand of football. And then that kind of changed what we were about and I think that caused a disconnect unintentionally, but a disconnect from between the team and the supporters. And I'm not convinced we got that back. We'd had times when we felt connected, but then we'd quickly break. But under Frank Lampard, since he's coming, I think he's been very clever, and I think a lot of it's genuine as well, most of it's genuine as well, is that he's just re-engaged the fans and with that, everybody's new because we were in desperate times that we had to stick together and luckily we came through it. This season's been kind of an extension. You're absolutely right, Andy, bringing in Tarkovsky, bringing in Conor Cody, Nathan Patterson, a Glasgow boy in there as well, and we've got other people stepping up to the plate. And it does feel like we've got at least a competitive team again, which for a large part of last season didn't feel like we did. And I think that was born out on Saturday. And Dave, I think Andy touched on it then, is that even though we've not got many points, you can't see a change. You went to Forrest Game the other week, we had a chat about it, and even though we didn't win it, and it wasn't amazing, you could at least see a bit of a structure and something we were trying to do, which I don't think was evident there last season. Was that fair to say? So foundation, isn't it? I totally agree with you. I think you have to get those foundations in place and then build upon them. And our foundations have been so rocky over the last few years that it's no doubt that people have struggled to make it work. I think the thing with Lampard for me is that from the moment he came in, he came in as a long-term prospect, certainly in his own mind. And granted, modern-day football often doesn't allow you and afford you the time for long-term prospects. Unfortunately, and we all know, rightly or wrongly, that he will also not be afforded the time if the results suddenly go horribly wrong halfway through the season. We all know that. That's just the way of the game. However, I do dearly hope that he is given the time to do that, and he wants this to be a slow-burn, long-term thing. And only now do I feel like we're starting to see the fruits of his labour sort of coming through and things are starting to change and things are, you know, listen, we haven't got a win on the board just yet, but things are looking a lot better for me. My only criticism, and it's an obvious one, and one that I'm sure many people share, is just the fact that I do not understand, unless there were situations that we don't know about behind scenes, but why another striker wasn't brought in at least. I know that they were linked with Brett and Dears at Blackburn who I thought was interesting. And for the sort of money that was quoted, I mean, I think I've ever offered 12 million, I think Blackburn wanted 15, that's what I read. When you think about the sort of money that we have spent unwisely in recent times, 25 million for Davy Class and 25 million for Gabamon, you know, that kind of money would have seemed right. Now, whether there was other goings-on with the Venkis at Blackburn, I don't know. But him or, yeah, and this is also what I've heard behind the scenes, but him or somebody else like him, it does concern me in terms of our lack of depth, I mean, there's no depth, our lack of options at all in striking, because it's a lot to be reliant upon Dominic coming back after a long spell off with injury. Who knows what Mopay's going to be like. Well, I do have to say that his first couple of touches, I thought looked encouraging on Saturday and I thought that at least it was quite nice to have somebody who was some kind of target there. But I would have liked reinforcements for, you know, I know there was also a mention about, you know, trying to keep players happy. I don't really give a toss about keeping players happy to be honest with you because I'd much rather that it created competition. And if you're the man and you're in and you're scoring week in week out and that's keeping your so-called star striker out, so be it, you know. But that's my only thing, literally. It's an obvious one. That's where I think we are lacking and that is the only thing that really concerns me for the long winter ahead, as it were. Andy, I think. I'll go on. I'll go on. I was just going to say that bit of business getting rid of Dinier and getting in Mikolenco and Patterson actually looks like quite a good bit of an inspired move, actually, because that's been, as Dave mentioned, one of the foundations, you know, the two wingbacks who, I wasn't that convinced with Mikolenco tail-ender last season. I thought he looked a little bit dicey, to be honest with you, but some has kind of clicked with the two strong central defenders and the wingbacks bombing on. I love Patterson. He just reminds me, you know, it's a proper Everton fallback, isn't he, as well? And exciting times with the pair of them, really, I think. He could really benefit from a goal and he's come very close now twice, hasn't he? You know, he's had two opportunities in the last two games to nail one in. And I think that it would really... He's come on so much this season, but I think it would really cement him as being, you know, a crowd favourite. Oh, God, yeah. Nobody needs it, but do you know what I mean? I think it would do his confidence no end of good and I would really love that to happen, but I very much like what I see with him. I think he looks superb. But I think with these games so far, though, like you say, we've not got many points on the board, but my God, if we'd have had a striker, we'd have been dangerous. We look at all those games. Chelsea had some great chance against Chelsea. Liverpool, obviously, brilliant chances there. Forrest, we could have had that game done and dusted in the first 20 minutes. So you look back on it, it's just the missing a piece of the puzzle. I feel like we're in the last bit of pre-season. It's a weird season, though. I think that needs to be said as well, that with the way that the last season never ended and we've played international games, even though they knew they were going into this weird season where we're going to try and squeeze two sets of 16 games on the other side of a winter World Cup, that we were still playing international games was just mental. So it has messed up a lot of teams' starts to the season. And I think that's been borne out by how swingy it's been in these first four or five games. And I think that's part of it. We're not done with our preparation or finalising the team, really, yet. And that shows, I think, with the Blues. It's also worth pointing out that we're at a pivotal point. I'm not sure whether you're aware of this. But at the time of recording this podcast, we are leading up to a huge, huge fixture in the world of radio. We're talking about the home-time Derby. Are we not, Andy Bush? Oh, and this is it. My team Everton versus my partner-in-crimes team, Richie's Arsenal. It's annoying, really, because we've got horrible background with Arsenal, haven't we? I've never really felt that confident with Arsenal. By that one amazing Damari Gray goal, which will live long for the rest of my life. But it's annoying. I feel like we're getting better. I don't want us to be playing them just yet. I'd rather push that. Where's our Leicester game? Give us a Leicester game or something, do you know what I mean? Arsenal at the Emirates. Arsenal at the Emirates. Do your families get together? Do you have... Do you have... Do you have volivons? You know... Well, I tend not to... I don't talk to them too much about it. Both of them, my producer, Adam and Richie, are both Arsenal fans. And they moan about stuff, but they've got no idea what it's like, have they? If you're an Arsenal fan, you've got no idea what hardship is, do you know what I mean? So, for them, not making top four is a nightmare. And they've just got no concept of what it's been like for us. I think the last season for Evertonians was traumatic. I don't know about you. It genuinely affected... It sounds ridiculous. I don't mean this in a flippant way, but it did affect my mental health a little bit, because it was so depressing every weekend, and not watching Match of the Day for ages and all that kind of stuff. We talk about football, but I think we have to keep it cordial, because once you get stuck into that... within a show environment, I might end up punching him or something, so it's best not to say anything. Try talking about it every day when it's crap. It's not great. I think we can't let Saturday... I think you're both right. We could have done with an extra forward. I think Brayton Day, as Everton, went back on Deadline Day and were told 25 million for a lad who's had a contract in 10 months, or whatever it is, and can sign. So they were never going to touch that, but it is only 11 games, I think it is, till the next transfer window opens, and obviously Dominic's back as well, and we've got the break. And your, right this season, was horrific and never finished, and then started again, and to have six games by the first weekend September's Bazaire, cos that's an anomaly, but I don't think we can let the weekend pass for as good a performance as it was, and we did have chances, and Neil Mawpai, who I don't play quite well, missed the guilt edge chance, and hopefully that's your sharpness. What about some of these decisions, the VAR decisions of the weekend? We had a goal, which David McAllagher's done his best to try to give a reason exactly why it was disallowed, and by doing that, has actually made me now convinced it should have been allowed, when if either just shut up, I might have gone, or maybe he's right. And we've obviously had a red card challenge by Van Dijk, which was left, and a penalty, which Evanton should have had, James Milner putting his arm up and deflecting a ball over, which no one did mention. So Dave, how bad was VAR at the weekend? Or sorry, how bad were the people implementing VAR at the weekend? Well, that's it. That's what they all say. It's not VAR that's the problem. It's the people who are running it and ultimately making the decision. All that VAR can do is provide you with a better angle and a better snapshot on what you're trying to be judge and jury on. But ultimately, it's a human decision at the end of the day. And when you look at that offside, and even professionals and even ex-refs, they're going, well, hang on, I thought we were supposed to be letting those marginal ones that you're not sure about, if in doubt, I thought we were supposed to be letting them through. Yeah. And it just differs from week to week and that's the problem. It's the inconsistency with the whole thing, is the fact that, depending on who is in that room at Stockley Park, actually making those decisions, it's like, well, you might have a good one one week. You might have a bad one week. I don't know. I mean, I'll be honest with you. I was never keen on the introduction of the likes of VAR anyway. Call me a Luddite, the sort of man that tends to avoid change. But I wasn't keen on it anyway. And I think I'm even less keen now and the whole stopping of the game and whatever like this, all this nonsense. I'm not a fan. But yeah, I think certainly on the balance of things, I think we were harshly treated at the weekend. I know everybody says that when they're on the wrong side of the decisions, but I think we were harshly treated, really, too. Yeah, I wonder. I mean, I feel like we, if you look at the stats, we seem to have had more goals chalked off or stuff go against us than any other team at the moment. It really does. It kind of hurts. And I agree with Dave. When it first came in, I thought, oh, brilliant, this is going to kind of, something that we can go to if they've missed something. You know what I mean? Like a mistake that wasn't spotted by the ref or, you know, a cheeky elbow that you might not have seen, that kind of thing. But like you say, that they're getting involved, it was weird because the start of the season was a bit quiet. And I thought, oh, brilliant. They've kind of calmed it down a little bit. Maybe they're finally getting it. And then suddenly before, you know, you're creeping into thumbs and shirts and elbows and knees and all this kind of bull. I don't know. I just find it really frustrating. And it's gone mad now because, you know, with the Villa city game, the bit where they used to just leave their flag down, the lion owner didn't used to flag for it and wait for VAR to make the decision. Now that's gone out the window and he's flagging even though it wasn't even offside. So the whole thing just needs a reset. And people are talking about VAR more than they are about the games. And it's just like, you know, like Dave said, I hate the fact that, you know, that the celebration for Cody scoring that what would have been the winner for it to then to be chalked off was just like, a kills football moments like that, kills it. That's not what the games are about, is it? Exactly. You know, and I suppose, my take on the whole thing is a fact that the way that it used to happen is that yes, mistakes used to happen, of course. And that arguably is a whole, the whole argument for bringing in VAR and goal line technology, et cetera, et cetera. But you would like to think that actually those mistakes were human mistakes and therefore were the same for everybody over the course of the season. You know, you would get ones that were wrong. But here's the thing is that, you know, we're now in a situation where this was supposed to eliminate that element of human error, but it still happens. What about, you know, offside, right? Offside was brought in to stop people standing on the edge of the six-yard box and just tapping it and goal-hanging. So surely give the benefit of the doubt to the striker and encourage goals, which goals is what puts bums on seats and people want to watch football and what makes it such an amazing sport. You know, you shouldn't be ruling in the favour of the defending team based on a shadow or whatever it was, you know what I mean? When did that come about? Give the benefit of the doubt to the striker. It's mental. Deer is offside, you know, or his fringe is offside. Why did he draw on lines from his elbow, though? You can't score a goal with your elbow or your hands. So why are you drawing a line from that? That to me is bizarre. I think one of the big things, obviously, is that the Champions League starts with new technology this week. The Wale Cubs got it and it's going to have a chip in the ball. It's got 12 cameras around the ground recording everything at once and they will know within a split second whether someone's onside or offside because the problem you've had with FIA with offside is nobody, because of the frames per second that they're using, it isn't the same as actual real-time anyway. So no one could actually tell when the ball left your foot to when the striker goes. With this, it reduces it to something like 0.001. So I think the offside thing, once this new technology is in, will become the way we are with goal-line technology. It doesn't cross the line or it does. The referee buzzes. Whereas years ago, you'd go, that went over the line. Now, if the referee's arm doesn't buzz, you kind of go, you're all right. It mustn't have gone in. And that's what it'll be with offside, which is fine. But what about the red card then for Virgil van Dijk? We saw, we've seen this already this season. Some of these get red carded, some of them don't. We saw Cair and Trippier do one the other week against City, which for me was a red card and then they talked the referee out of it. And yet Alan in a Newcastle game last season got a yellow card and then they talked the referee into giving a red card within the game. And it's that kind of thing for me that which is the issue, the inconsistency of it. No, I mean, I agree. The van Dijk one, I mean, I don't know how that's not a red. Or at the very least, just to look at it. This is the thing, like sometimes they won't even go and look at it. And I'm still haunted by that game against Newcastle with Alan, because I just thought it was the most heinous bit of manipulation and pressure on the referee that you buckled to. And to get that upgraded, and you look at the two side by side, obviously, with the Trippier one, there's no difference between those two tackles. And you know, Anana's got his foot planted in the ground, and he's literally raking right on the top of his foot. It's a leg breaking tackle. So how has that not even looked at by VAR? But I don't even know where you begin to sort it out, because it's such a mess. It's all such a mess. And it's just boring to be talking about this all the time. And like Dave said earlier on, I think when you've got humans, processing in real time these things, bad luck does kind of even out and you can accept that. Football isn't like American football. It's not finite like American football is. There are grey areas in football, and you will never be able to get it down. So even where they put a chip in the ball, I still think it's going to open up a whole raft of other problems. So I don't think we're getting any closer to solving it really, Tyfans, with you. Yeah. But it is one of those things, isn't it? We were on another day, or against a different team, we might have got different decisions. But we did play really well overall, and I think people should be, in my opinion, I feel as though we are making progress and that will be that's something to look forward to. I think so. I think the other thing as well, Baz, is that while we were all gutted to have been jumping around with Connor Cody when the ball hit the back of the net, then obviously the deflation to then find out it was chalked off. However, that said, the fact that we didn't lose that game was, again, we all agree we would have lost last season in the season before that, et cetera, et cetera, or even though Liverpool weren't at their best, we know that, but that's by the bye. But it's a fact that, it's a fact that, I think that on the balance of things with the amount of woodwork that was struck, it was probably about the fair result as well. Yeah. And I think we can genuinely say that. You know, it's like we hit the woodwork, yeah, they hit the woodwork a couple of times. Pickford was magnificent. We haven't even spoken about him yet. Absolutely out of this world. I mean, we've seen it so many times from Jordan. And not just once in a game, not just twice in a game, sort of games like that where he is pulling off six, seven, eight absolute world-class saves. Yeah. He was phenomenal, you know. He was as good as I've ever seen him. And he certainly he certainly made the difference. But I think, as I say, on the balance of things, I think that we can walk away. And actually, I would like to think that the Liverpool Williams would walk away as well and kind of go, do you know what? It was actually about the right result. Absolutely, absolutely. I mean, you know, not only that as well, just the way that the team's shaping up to look as well. The transformation of Alex Iwobi into, you know, this almost road to Damascus turnaround in Alex Iwobi. Unbelievable. Iwo Beynio, I heard the other day. That's good, I'm going to use that one. But the guy's just, you know, encapsulates everything about work rate and not giving up and covering ground and everything. It's great. And we should also give Frank credit for shifting out some of, you know, we've had some terrible deadwoods at that club for the past few years, like draining money out of us and, you know, like Gabam in going and all that kind of stuff. Getting them off the books. And also, just what you guys were talking about earlier on with the Venkis thing and Blackburn, we're not having the piss taken out of us anymore with transfers, which is quite good. You know, they used to see us coming, didn't they? And just double the price, whereas we're not prepared to be doing that anymore, which is refreshing, I think, as well. Andy, can I ask it? Cos I just want to move on. A point was a fair result. We move on, we play it well. But the one thing I want to ask you to both of all before we get on to baked goods is... It's fine as in part two, folks. Definitely. I'm not sponsored yet by baked goods, but that would be good. No, is it? Is Frank Lampard? Because I done a couple of things last week for separate things. And people on those programmes were saying to me, all the precious mountain, is he going to be sacked? And I was like, the people we speak to and the people at the mat, nobody is calling for Frank Lampard to be sacked. So what do you make of this outside view that he's under pressure and he's not performing and he's not done anything and he's lucky to be in a job. Cos it's not really how I see it, but what's your take on it? They hate him for some reason. I don't know what it is, but they're obsessed with him. I felt a lot of other teams and other fans of other teams were obsessed with Everton's demise and the press were. They couldn't bloody wait for us to go down last season. They must have been gutted when we had that comeback against Palace. It wasn't going to pan out for them. They want Frank to fail. He's done nothing but refill me with hope and pride of being an Evertonian again. We've spent so long having no liking for the manager. It's been a long time since we've had a manager that I liked. It's like a usual suspect collection, line-up of these unlikable people. That's why I just said at the beginning that I'm all in on this. He's the manager that we need at the moment in that we're going through like a cleansing process. We're shedding off all this excess and horror that we've been through and it's a group trauma that we're trying to get through. It is. It's a palette cleanser that I've never seen before. I don't know, I just feel like the way he conducts himself and the connection he's got with the crowd is the right guy. We shouldn't forget as well in his brief timers manager at Chelsea. He's very good with working with young players and giving people belief. I feel like you can see that in Patterson and he's being trusted with the ball. He had a wobbled at the start of Patterson and he disappeared. Where's Patterson gone? Sometimes if you can get a ropey start like that and want the ball and think I don't want to risk it and get boots whereas Frank's given him the place to his faith in him and you can see that paying dividends. Dave, what's your take on it? I think Andy's summarised it. I haven't got much more to add to be honest with you. I don't really know where it comes from and I think that the mounting pressure on Frank Lampard is bollocks stirred up by the media. I can only assume that it's probably based upon some anti-Chelsea feeling from those clubs around that don't like Chelsea whether that be Spurs Arsenal, Fullham Palace Liverpool, Liverpool, all of the above and I think that's probably where it comes from but all I can say is the fact that when I've got no no allegiances or no soft spot for any of his background at Chelsea or anything like that but I knew that when he came in I think like all of us we were thinking well this is potentially interesting this is potentially exciting and from the first time he spoke I thought I like the sound of him I like what he's saying, I like his tone and his just his attitude just felt right, you know, didn't it and I kind of thought this could really work and however many months on from that appointment and the first time we saw him walk into Finchfarm my opinion is no different in fact if anything it's even more positive and it's also interesting as well that the same heat hasn't been leveled at Steven Gerrard who hasn't exactly had a great time but all the focus is on Lampard, I mean I don't know about you it's still stuck in my craw one of the low points in terms of rage for me last season was Aston Villa's behaviour in that performance where they got away with it, with the plastic bottle as if he had been shot from the stands at Goodison and Gerrard's smirk on the way out and wink at the fans and stuff like that so I've kind of been waiting for them to fall apart a little bit so it's been quite nice to see him be put under pressure, do you know what I mean? That's the bitterness I can get behind but you love all that and we even had Lampard the other day saying we were never getting the penalty because whatever you know we were never getting the goal and all that and even that kind of thing he is very good with that but no I don't understand where it comes from and UK's really we're all behind them and we can all agree that things strides are being made right let's move on to a section that I'm very interested in because one of this trio has got a very interesting Instagram account no you're not seeing mine because it's private and it's probably shouldn't discuss this you're making it sound like it's part of only fans no no I think mine is no no no your Instagram account has been very interesting over the last few weeks just from the places that you've been some of the pitches you've posted fantastic and one that caught mine and Mr Busch's eye was you paddle boarding so tell us a little bit about that paddle boarding to get your lunch and then we'll talk through the almost jeopardy of what you were doing the madness in theory of what you were doing so go on talk us through it it is madness hashtag paddle boarding for pasties sweeping the south west and Netflix show right there yeah absolutely you're not kidding didn't they have sort of salmon fishing in the Yemeno there you go so why not so the long story short is that one of my best friends from college in Warrington now lives down in Falmouth in Cornwall and so I decided to take a couple of long weekends this last summer the weather was nice I thought I'd go down there and stay with him and his family they live right by the water so he's got a boat so we're out messing around on the boat and then he's got a paddle board and I kind of thought I'd teach myself to paddle board because I'd always quite fancy doing that and it was wonderful I had some really good times down there anyway so this one day we're going out on the boat and he was busy with the kids and stuff in the morning I thought well we need to get some lunch so we're on the other side of the river from Falmouth which is where the pasties shops are so I kind of thought I wonder if I take the paddle board across like with a little dry bag I should be able to go over there with my pasties and then climb up the ladder and then go to the pasties shop and get my pasties and then come back and climb down the ladder and then get on to kind of moving board and then paddle back and that will be a way of commuting for our lunch so that's exactly what I did paddle boarding for pasties and it was you know there was a lot of jeopardy involved as you rightly say because you know you put one foot wrong on one of those wobbly paddle boards and suddenly you're talking hashtag soggy paste don't want a soggy bottom Paul Hollywood will be fium I had vegan options I had traditional options I had all the lot you know but it was a fun deal but my question on this subject and it actually is for you Mr Andrew Bush is that as a native of the south west not Cornish per se but I know that you are from Devon and so you're no stranger to a pasty my question is this why do they make them so hot because I went and I bought these pasties and so and they'd been in the granted it's called a hot counter but that to me is to keep them warm not to keep them molten hot and so I sat on the pier and had this pasty after 45 minutes I still couldn't eat it because it was burning the roof from my mouth first of all the instagram story as it was happening was playing out live of you going across on a paddle board to get pasties reminded me of the opening 10 minutes of the TV show casualty we were trying to work out how someone's going to have an accident and I was like it's going to be alright it was almost in the show centre I just want to check in on Dave it's back it's fine give us three rings the heat of the pasty think that's what the crust is for my friend if you're down in the mines hold on to the crust don't burn your fingers because that's what the miners used to hold on to you know with their black coley hands but it's a fact that when you eat it's a filling which is so hot that my point to you is that actually there was as much chance of me getting horribly injured casualty style in a freak motorbike in the accident as there was to actually burning the roof of my mouth on said filling if there was a way you were going to go what a way to go going down with 15 pasties in a dry bag I mean I want I want to know about Dave just chalk me through the process so have you got a wetsuit on no just sure it's short and t-shirt job well yeah it's for me short just in case and I see if I was really confident I'd wear non waterproof shorts because I'm fully aware of my own capabilities or rather lack of them I still have to go with the assumption that I might end up in the water because I'm thinking you're on a wetsuit in a wetsuit paddle board and then you've got to climb out of and walk into said pasty shop full wetsuit on I could have done I've got a wetsuit, I think the wetsuit is probably more of a if I do this later on in the year maybe more October November time then certainly the wetsuit would be the right way well the pasties will keep you warm I was also going to say as well Dave Uber eats obviously make a load of money but what about you going up the waterways to deliver baked goods you could work on the mercy something like that absolutely I could be a river based delivery service and also not only that but it's ecologically sound as well it's safe for the planet, there's no pollution there's no kind of battery charging necessary one man one board, one paddle I'll be honest you're probably not very quick though but at least your food wouldn't be cold you need a big bag we're quicker than one of our Indians round here I'll be honest with you if you get the food within an hour and a half you don't want thank you've done alright fair play what was the choice of pasties then traditional regular size traditional large size there was a vegan pasty there was cheese and onion slices there was sausage rolls so what did you go for then you went for all of that no I went for traditional large and the kids had vegan ones there was also a split decision on the vegans because I had a vegan which was like a spicy chickpea option and they had a more plain you know I don't know just a very regular kind of vegan style was it delicious delicious cornish pasty it is what it is it does what it says on the table where better to eat them than on a paddle board in Cornwall I would say keep an eye out for future episodes of Dragonstown you may see Dave Vitty there pitching for 15% equity in his business why not why not travels with Dave the Netflix shows there it's totally there's probably accompanying book series as well it writes itself absolutely any Cornish pasty places want to sponsor this and send us some pasties we will gratefully accept them so Andy if you were to choose a pasty what is your pasty of choice I don't like any of the funny stuff that you get with pasties these days a pasty traditionalist like a great big steak bake style you can get from there's a local baker in Leonsea always go there on the way down to the train station there's now better than eating a pasty not sitting down with it but it's been on a train or on a bench getting it all over your jumper that's how you eat a pasty fair enough getting women and rolling their eyes at you that's how I like to eat a pasty have to stand up to shake it off don't you that's the one presumably that's what Taylor Swift was talking about you've got to do that thing haven't you and get rid of all the crumbs off your off your crotch fair enough there you go again the Netflix show just writes itself it's ready it's ready let's say I mean that was great I really enjoyed that let's turn our attention to this weekend and already been touched on before by Dave the drive the ride time Darby the Emirates which is not really a very happy place for editing still awaiting our first victory at that stadium I think the record of home against Arsenal is not too bad actually we've got a decent record the colours and against them we beat them quite regularly say we struggle isn't it but away we are with the Red Bull so we've been talking about the promise that we've seen the structure that we've seen but does this I think Andy touched on it before but Dave does this game come just a little bit earlier than we'd like in terms of where they are and where we are this season or are you happy just to get it out the way I think it probably does come a little bit early to be honest with you they're on good form at the moment although they got beat the other day didn't they so that's one good thing to clip them a little bit yeah it's probably a little bit too early but that said I think it's all about fight for us and actually we've just demonstrated in the Derby the fact that when they roll up their sleeves and they fight Everton can match anybody it's about commitment and it's about desire and I know that we haven't got anything like the strike force that they've got and we haven't got the goals in us that they have but if they take the same attitude into this Sunday's game as they had with the Derby last Saturday then I don't think we've got anything to be fearful of necessarily you know we could well lose it too nil but it could still be a respectable performance against a strong side at home so you know I suppose my only concern at the moment is that we need to start getting some points on the board when you look at what's coming up we've obviously got Arsenal away the home isn't going to be easy Saddamtian away you would think there's something there we then got united at home in that ridiculous 7 o'clock on a Sunday night game which just beggars belief and then spurs away you know which isn't easy so this is this is my only real concern is the fact that yes we're all positive and impressed by this strides forward that have been made in terms of Lampard and the team and the solidity if you like and the foundation building but the fact of the matter is that we need points on the board and if we go another five games which we've just discussed there without any significant points on the board and we start to slip down and other people climb up then pressure's going to melt that's the concern and there's only so long into a season that you can say what we're saying now in terms of yes the points aren't there what we can see real improvements I mean I would hope from what we've seen thus far that there are some points in those five games there's got to be some points in those five games but exactly where they're coming from I don't know I just wonder what would have happened if they'd have not sent Ellis Sims out on loan do you know what I mean just another option there with that kind of player and this is what I don't understand any is the fact that I'm not in any way disputing the fact that Lampard has obviously seen them in training and he's seen enough of them and he's decided and I don't disagree necessarily but he has decided that they are not right at this moment in their career to play at this level and he's decided that therefore they should go out and they should actually improve their football and gain valuable experience and game time elsewhere I've got no problem with that whatsoever and this isn't a criticism of Frank necessarily this is a bigger kind of board issue or director of football issue is surely you don't let them both go until you have enough by way of replacement in through the door first but what happened was they both went on I believe are they season long loans both of them yeah so they can't come back before we got replacements in place and so I would have thought that the way to done it would have been to a spoken to Sunland and spoken to Derby and kind of said yes do you know what in theory we're in agreement and yes this provisionally is the deal that we want to do however we cannot sign this off at this moment in time until we have secured in place the necessary you know options and if they don't come in you know I watched Ellis Sims last night you know for Sunland at the Riverside and you know he granted there's a big difference between the championship and the prem but you know he's got something about him you know and I would have thought that if we were in that situation where if we were down to the bare bones and we physically need to have some bodies up there or even to bring somebody on fresh legs for the last 15 or 20 minutes then he could be that person as could Dobbin as we've seen before and that's the only thing I just don't really understand no I totally agree and you just wonder how that might have been different with just like you know he's got that kind of peak and it should be kind of battering ram vibes about him as well which you know just gives you a different option but just looking at the Arsenal game I mean the couple of positives I think from the way they are they've got a few injuries going on I don't think it's all completely fine with their squad and stuff at the moment as well so that's encouraging but again I think it's going to be one of those games where we just kind of like hold firm see that we're improving bit by bit but I think you know Dave's right we've got to start adding goals in and finishing these games off but you look back on the games so far games were which had been petrified off last season you know it's mad to come out of a game against Liverpool and be like my god we could have had that should have been we should have won that or be unlucky not to beat Chelsea at the start of the season you know I mean really good chances so you know you just got to compare it to where we were last season where every getting towards the weekend you get that pit of stomach feeling like oh my god who's going to beat us this week so it's different. Now it is and obviously Dominic Albert Llewman training again now as well so he may well be on the bench on Sunday and you know might be an option with 15-20 minutes to go if the game's tight you know and he's a he's a different threat to what Neil Mawpai is so and Arsenal even though the form's being good they did only scrape past Fulham 2-1 and they did only scrape past Aston Villa 2-1 so you know I know listening of Arsenal click the capable of beating you four or five it's just the way they are but I think you can get at them as well I think you both made the good point the foundations are there but you're right we need wins but to even last season we went into a run of games and everyone went no points in this lot no points in this lot and all of a sudden we went three of the four games you know remember the season before people saying we've got these six games we're getting maybe two points maximum we won five of the six games so you know if we can start we stay as tight as we are and don't forget only three teams have conceded less goals than Everton in the Premier League so far after six games so that should be something that we're good at we should be praising by the same token we're not scoring enough goals and we've got to score goals otherwise we won't win games with football I think the fact that none of us none of us worried or terrified about the prospect of Arsenal on Sunday and I think that's the difference it's not kind of like or doom and gloom is that you know I think as long as we you know show a good account of ourselves which we've done already this season on multiple occasions then I think we'll be okay you know I think we're due the football gods football gods given us a bit of a bit of luck whether it be do you remember last season the injuries in warm ups and all this kind of stuff and we've had so many awful VAR moments so just I feel like maybe it's our time to have a bit of luck it's been a long time since we've when have we had one of them a bit of luck a lucky thing that's gone in it's been a long time since hasn't it for Everton I'd love us to go there and get battered and win with the deflection you know and everyone's like you are so lucky to be like bring it on cos with you we're about 15 years of it go there and make a win we're absolutely the period we're not scared we're not scared 100% straight off our teth is gelled here will be lovely I don't know what wonderful things you'll be doing in training but don't forget they've got a game on Thursday night as well so we've got the manager's got a wiki with players like Garner who I have to say looked like he'd never been away on Saturday when he'd come on with half an hour to go another week of Onana training and players like that Maupai getting another week's fitness in Dominic Alvalun so the core is back in training which means the squad is a bit stronger so I think you're both right I think McNeill as well I feel like a lot of people were on McNeill's back obviously getting that great goal in his debut in the pre-season game it only just started you had to give him a bit of time to settle in he's been playing really well in the system that he's been asked to play in as well they've all got to do it haven't they? the more they work on the training ground for us to have eight days between a really good performance and your next one while that team has to play on Sunday and then has to play on Thursday and then has to play on Sunday again for us we've just got to make sure we work that in our favour it'll be tough because they're a good side but Liverpool are a fantastic side and potentially we could have ended up winning that game so I think you're both right I'm not worried about it, it'll be a difficult game but I'm looking thinking ok well let's see what we've got this week and who knows we might either beat you a fantastic display and win or I'd rather win Spawnily to be honest at this day I would, I'd rather everyone scratch the red Sunday night going I don't know how awesome I've had a hundred shots and I've had one on the one one that for me though I feel like I was paddle boarding then Dave just to go before we finish because I meant to say this before when you're on that paddle board do you ever hear the Jaws music because whenever I'm even sometimes in a deep swimming pool I hear the Jaws music and I can see the bottom and know it's not in there but in making water exactly what did what did he do to us all those years ago he got a copyright strike here stop it it's scary stuff but I managed to to get home unscathed so far and I lived to paddle another day but there was a shark in those waters you said your mum had told you no you're right there was a shark in those waters my mum saw this news report about a week later and there was a in that same and I don't know whether it's the river Phall or anyway in that same body of water where I was there was and she found it on I don't know bloody you know MSN news or something whatever nonsense she looks at at half three in the morning and there was this massive blue shark thing that was spotted there and she sent it through and anyway these things are largely not dangerous I mean when I say largely not dangerous like they don't eat people as a general they eat pasties though but this thing is they eat pasties and vegan slices and listen I was packing both of those exactly gonna need a bigger boat aww fantastic right we're gonna leave it there absolutely brilliant well I've loved this it's been good you know who knows what the fourth wheel the brought but we'll see we have the kangaroo court next week absolutely absolutely HR will be will be all overped next week for this year a disciplinary already which isn't very good it's like getting you know sent home on your first day at school isn't it really so he's in trouble it's a likelihood is that he will come back next week but then serve a three episode ban it could happen it could happen it could happen it's subject to a disciplinary appeal which could overturn it what I think what I think will be worse for them is if we made them record this podcast at like nine o'clock in the morning I think that'll be even worse for them than any kind of ban making them get up at a normal time and do something might be even worse but tune in next week to see the ban listen Andy absolutely fantastic keep those one liners on Twitter go on them questions I love it thank you very much cheers for having me on it's been an absolute pleasure so David I don't think my mum calls me I know well I just felt like after after you passed the I feel like David was the right way to go you know paddle boarding in Falmouth needs David and I almost said Andrew as well and you can call me whatever you want to ask it's the most things but it's been an absolute pleasure and we will be back next week so we'll see you all then thanks for watching and listening see you later bye