 We'll wait for a little bit, hope we didn't lose some of our friends, but we had some technical difficulties. Technical difficulties, come on, wait for a moment. Well anyway, what do you think about that weather, baby? Gloomy. How about that sports day? I wonder if we should probably share the link, I'm gonna have to update the link on, I don't think you can. On Yieldy Instagramo. Hello, yeah we've got our friend back. Back, so it is weird when we started doing that, like when I spoke it started coming back out on the phone. Yeah. And it was one of those like, you know they do those little techno things where the guy does like a little beatbox thing and then he hits record really quick and four minutes later like that just track repeats and repeats and repeats and repeats. And he heard it too. Oh weird. That's crazy. Yeah, I have no idea what that was. Oh Matt, happy to see you here. And there is a green, your name comes in with the green symbol. I am not familiar with that, it's probably membership. I'm not sure, but I will have to check after this live, so. But thank you for the recommendations. Thanks for the recommendations the other day on the email about storage, camera and such. It's a little bit windy. Actually it's a lot windy today. Yeah, it's weird. Some days it's wide open and other days, I think we're by like, is it Haboob season? Probably. These things in Arizona called Haboob's and effectively they're like really big sandstorms and they'll just come up real quick, blow a lot of dirt around everywhere. And when you're here in the city sometimes it's not the worst, so you get a lot of like breaks because of buildings, windbreaks and building breaks. But when you're out like on the highway, cars lot to pull over and stop. Haboob. Aw, thank you so much, Format says, I'm a supporter of your channel now. It's green because I paid. Well, that's wonderful. Reach out to us and tell us how we're doing with that stuff, too, because Oh my goodness. We're in our youth in providing extra content. Yeah. So whatever you want to say, man, hit us up. Thank you. We very much appreciate it. I think you are our very first member on YouTube. This is amazing. Oh boy, now we got to be held accountable for all that extra content, too. We got to put our content where our mouth is. Oh boy. We will try to not disappoint you. One of the biggest problems we have with editing is that we have so much content. Yes. And we always have to trim down like an hour of video to like five minutes and you're just like, what do I do with the other 55 minutes? I know. Extra content. But Format, you are the first. This is going to be epic. We just actually, because we only got monetized on YouTube in February and you can only start the membership program when you are monetized. So we just started literally the end of February. So you are the first person. This is amazing. Oh, rock on, man. Discover together. What was I saying, though? Yeah, we were talking about, so today, Thursday, we're literally about to go to the gym. Yeah. I'm like trying to like play the beat in my head that the music was playing. So we're outside of our community area. Yeah. We're going to go work out in the gym and we've started doing the inclined treadmills, which has got to be honest. Not bad. And I don't feel like I'm running either. So it tricks my brain. I'm not as depressed while I'm doing it. Yeah. So two days ago, it was actually good. We, I don't know, you, I think we mentioned that many times, but if some of you are new here in this live, we have two people joining and watching us. We're preparing for climbing Mount Kilimanjaro. If you're not familiar with Mount Kilimanjaro, it's the highest peak in Africa. So that's something that we have to prepare and work very hard for. So one of the ways that we're training right now, just the gym, go on an incline, because it's pretty hot right now. We went on a hike the other day in one of the regional parks here, but it was, oh my God, it was exhausting. Forgive me. I'm sharing the link, by the way, for the new one. I usually do pretty good in the heat to be honest with you. My body doesn't struggle the same way, but it was hot that day. But really for us, it was just all that water. But I know we talked about that. Yeah. We didn't share the whole truth. But you can say. Habib had a rough time at the end. There was a moment where we were coming over a hill. We chose not to go up the summit because we were already eight miles in and low on water. And that was a very good choice. Yeah. But we come over a hill and I'm like calling a lift. Because we didn't have time. And Habib was like, oh, you're calling it already? But I want to go live really quick in the parking lot when we get there. And Habib was dead, like delirious at that point with the heat. And it's just like she wanted to do the Instagram. The YouTube live. And we get over the hill. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. We get over the hill while I'm trying to tell her like, oh, I'm calling a ride. And she's like, no, no, no, don't do it. I guess she thought like we were right at the parking lot. Yeah. She comes over the hill and sees nothing and just immediately like a wave of depression hits her. She has about two seconds of breakdown. And then all of the emotional energy that she had was just spent. And then it was just back to like, I don't know. But it all happened so quick. So sudden. I was just, I had the meltdown. Like where the heck is it? Because I'm so exhausted. Like literally he's exhaustion and not enough water and so very hot. And I just thought that we were done. And then I look and it's just a big field of cacti never ending. It was so depressing. But anyway, so we just decided we will, you'll have to put the link in the, just the link in the bio right here. Okay. I have a copy. We're winding this in. So today what I was going to talk about is passport health. So we've got a trip coming up and. Yeah. And we've been pumped up about that. And we, I know we've talked about the trip to Kilimanjaro, but we had to get some vaccines and we're getting ready to travel again while we're coming out of COVID and such. And passport health has been helpful for us in preparing us for whatever recommended or required vaccines or shots or medical awareness things we need for going into another country. So the vaccines were pretty expensive. They had these rabies pills. Apparently if you get bit, you have somebody has rabies, or a dog has rabies or bites you. You have like 24 hours, I think 48 hours, they say tops. Yeah. To get medical attention. Otherwise they can't really reverse it. But if you take these pills and they're like 1200 bucks a person, you get five days instead of two. And I was like, I'll just stay away from the dogs as best I can. Yeah. I'm dropping $2,500 so the two of us can. Yeah. But basically this company, passport health, what they do, they just help you with all the necessary vaccines, documentations, recommendations on things to do for a specific destination. So we booked an appointment with them. And then we had a one-on-one with a nurse practitioner. I think that's what she was. And then she had a bunch of documentation customized to our trip to Tanzania. And so part of the documentation covers information about what these are requirements, the embassy website or program that you should register with, the vaccines that are required, and then the vaccines that are optional. And then they also have vaccines on site so that they basically just walk you through all the pricing. They break it down and tell you this is what you absolutely need. This is what you don't need. And then you decide right there if you want it or not. I think especially for us because we haven't done a lot of international travel, it was definitely helpful. So do you remember how much we paid for that appointment with Passport Health? So the way the Passport Health registration worked, for me it was $80 since I was bringing a friend. My friend could come for $65. And the trick was if you filled out the medical history information online that they give you a $10 discount. At least that's how it was at our place. Now the trick is they're not done through your regular healthcare provider. So as a result of this anything you spend there, any money you spend would need to be, you need to pay all of it on your own. And then you would need to give that documentation back to your insurance company to submit a claim. And then your insurance company would reimburse you at the end. And it's worth saying that there are some vaccines and other stuff that you're not going to find at your regular general healthcare physician. So we really wanted to go there for these things, but also just to get everything recommended properly from the CDC, what is it, the CDC? Yeah, CDC. Rather than some of the perhaps preferred more, I don't want to call it colloquial, but the more common perhaps over-the-counter or maybe doctors have preferences that might not be the best. For example, the malaria pills that my doctor had recommended that I was going to take were the weekly pills once a week. And not that that's bad, I got no beef with my doctor, that's fine. But the people at Passport Health said, we recommend the daily ones. They're obviously a little bit more. You're taking more of them. They cost some money. Yeah. But at the end of the day to hear them say that, I just kind of made them the authority, especially since my physician referred me to them. Yeah. So I'm just going to do the daily pills for like 35 days or something. That's going to be a lot of pills, but... But anyway, so if you're traveling to a destination that you're not comfortable with or you just need to consult with someone, definitely worth it. I think $80 per person, it's... I think it's worth it. They sit with you, they give you one hour of time, they walk you through a lot of things. So the only vaccine that we got there was the typhoid vaccine. Typhoid, yeah. And then they don't have the COVID vaccine on site, not yet. I just got an email today, actually. They do now? They do now? At least our site did. I'm sure that's on a site-by-site basis, but they sent me an email saying they did today. Yeah, so maybe if there is enough vaccine in the state that, you know, you need it in, they probably have it. But at least when we were there, they didn't. But anyway, Passport Health highly recommended. So the most odd one that I saw them give us, we had the opportunity to get yellow fever. That was probably the craziest one on the list. And you only have to get yellow fever if you go to countries where yellow fever is endemic. And if it's endemic in those countries, and you go there, then you must have yellow fever shots in order to enter Tanzania. Yeah. Other than that, though, a lot of... I think every single thing we came across was recommended. Yeah, so no thing... So if you are traveling from the United States to Tanzania, no vaccine is actually required. It's not required. Right. But it's probably a good idea to have some pills, like malaria pills. And then if you're entering Tanzania from Kenya, for example, you would need yellow fever and so on. But anyway, so we will talk about all of these things in details. We don't want to make this, you know, all about vaccines and such. There's a question from our friend, Fomat, were there any vaccines that struck you as being really odd? That's the one I was just talking about. That's the one you were talking about. And for what it's worth, do you mind if I just rattle off the ones I knew about? The vaccines that I can think of that were presented to me by my health care physician, which they may have left some out because they had my chart of things I might have already had. Hep A, Hep B were on the list. Hep A was recommended. Hep B was also recommended. But I guess less recommended. Yeah, it's kind of weird because they just give you all of them and then they give you a reason why it would be helpful, you know, like when they presented the typhoid for us like, well, it happens because of contaminated food or water. It was like, well, I have high chances of consuming either or. So maybe it makes sense to have it. Because we're going to be there for a pretty lengthy time, too. There was Hep A, Hep B. There was tetanus, which I had a booster a while ago. So I think it was okay with mussels, mumps, rubella. A lot of these things you might have got when you were younger, as well as shingles or chicken pox and things that they affected that that you might get. And then there was the malaria. We're going to take dimox in order to get up onto the mountain. And we're told that dimox makes you a little creasy. Malaria pills make you a little creasy. We're guessing together they may be a little bit much. Other than that though, I was just going to say on the mountain, we're told that there are not a lot of mosquitoes. Just because of the elevation and such. But if you're down in the actual towns and cities and such, that's where you're going to run into them. But you have to kind of like keep a continuous dosage of the malaria pills in your system once you start taking them. So if we land a little bit early, which we might do to spend some time with some of our other hike mates since they might leave after the hike, but we're going to stay longer. We're probably going to end up taking the pills the whole time on the mountain. So we want to make sure we don't get nauseous while we're climbing and such too. But stuff I never knew, right? Yeah, yeah. All of these things are new to us. Yeah, it's definitely, if someone is thinking about traveling to that area of the world or climbing the mountains, it will be useful information. So I will make sure that I get all of this information once we get there after we get back or something. But anyway, so what else? What's new? What do you guys want us to talk about? Questions? What else? I'll say a lot of the stuff that we had for passport health. And I'm probably just going to make that my focus for filling in the blanks. They do have a website. And a lot of the stuff we were reading or that they covered with us, a lot of the information was available on the website to read on your own. But it was very reassuring to have somebody that is like up to date and knows what they're talking about. Kind of filling in the blanks for you, telling you how much stuff costs. I love our Alaska videos. Me and my girlfriend are going there next month and are super excited for it. We both are vaccinated in Alaska. Removed tests for vaccinated people. When we went to Alaska, they lost our test here in Arizona. We had to go take two more tests in Alaska. Man, Alaska is great. This is awesome. Every time someone says that they're going to Alaska, my heart is just filled with joy because I know it's not possible, but I feel like every person should experience Alaska once. It's not possible, but you're going to be so happy in Alaska. I love it. Tell us where you're going, if you want, and maybe you want to experience or two that you're really excited to undertake because we only went to the Anchorage area and then we pretty much moved south from there. And we got to see Kenai, we got to see Seward, which you loved, Whittier, and we went up to Telakitna, but we did not get up to Denali. It was pretty... Yeah. I think, yeah, so, Divan, if you want to share with us, if you're still here and you'd like to share with us, what are top two things that you'd like to experience in Alaska? We'll be happy to hear that. Any special gear we're upgrading to? Good. Very, very possibly long answer for us. Good question. So, step one for me is shoes. Obviously, I want to get new shoes to do the hike because I don't like using ankle support shoes while I'm hiking around here. They're just not my preference. And I'm not so worried about going up the mountain, but coming down, I'm sure, knees and ankles could still be something that you could suffer with on your way down. So, I would like to get shoes like that to practice our hikes in here in the gym and real hikes out in the wild. Yeah. Colorado. Yeah. Some shoes are a big deal. Hiking shoes, definitely. I have, for me personally, I have hiking boots, Morels that I've been using for four years, five years now. They're good, but I'm not going to take them up the mountain because they're not the most comfortable. They were half-sized, larger than my normal size. And so, it's just not the most comfortable. So, hiking shoes, for sure. Then the other thing that we just bought, a new duffel bag, a big north-faced duffel bag just for our travels. It was like an extra-large 160. Yeah. And now I'm just looking at it and I'm like, well, it's going to be good to fit all of our travel gear in to fly there. But they usually ask you to give a duffel bag to the porters. So he would need his own duffel bag and I need my own duffel bag and so we will have to buy new duffel bags too and they have to be waterproof because with the porters, and it's pretty much the same because when we hiked the Inca Trail in Peru, I feel like we got a lot of experience from that. So with the porters, they just have this big, big duffel bag that they are carrying and then they just fit everything in and if it rains, you want to make sure that your gear is protected. And then other than that, our bags should be good. I think I'm going to end up getting another bag because we have 20 liters of sprays. Alex has 30 liters, which is perfect for that type of hiking. I don't have 30 liters. I might end up getting 30 liters but our clothes should be good, jackets, everything should be fine. Sleeping bags, usually the company that you climb with they provide you with all the sleeping bags and such. You have to rent them, but they're available for rent. I don't think we're going to be buying any sleeping bags. We have all of that stuff. They're bulky too. If we're going to be carrying the 30 liter bag up, the nice thing about the 30 liter bags at least so far as I remember with mine is it still has the soft shell frame and it feels like you're crossing a line with hiking bags when you have to move to a hard shell for the back and sometimes if the water bladder holder area is inside of the bag versus outside of the bag, if you have it inside the bag, a 30 liter bag can turn into a 26 liter bag real quick because that bladder just takes up a lot of space and makes things fit weird. I think that's that. What else can you think of anything? I will say too with the porters, usually not only is there a limit to the amount of weight that you can carry per person too, so we give them a 160 liter bag with a couch and they're like, I get this bad boy to the top, right? They'll probably say no. I think it's usually like for the Machu Picchu I think it was like seven and a half or 10 kilograms per person and then like 50 bucks for another five kilograms. It's probably a similar relationship there. So hiking shoes, I want to get some mountaineering glasses. Oh yeah. But I'm a little curious as to if that will be the only place I use them, but they'll have like a little shields on the side and a little thing in the front. Oh, you can show on your phone. Yeah, maybe I'll pull them up maybe next time. Yeah. But beyond that then, gear like that, I have a nice hat that I'm probably going to wear but it might get a little colder up top. We're going to get approach shoes, I think is what they're called too. Oh yeah. So not only these boots for hiking but we're going to have some lighter like, you know, bend-up like shoes that are still durable. But then we can probably wear around the camp when we're beat up at the end of the day or maybe you want to take off your big shoes if you want to go screw around but maybe there'll be a light day where we just want to change our shoes if they get wet or something let the other ones dry. Yeah, we learned about approach shoes when we took the rock climbing classes. So climbers would usually, to get to the sites where they will start rock climbing they would wear approach shoes. They're just like lighter hiking shoes and they're really nice. So maybe we will get that. But we don't have, I think major purchases are going to be the duffel bags and the hiking shoes. That's pretty much it. Our friend, Fomat, is asking what about your purification while there for water? What about water purification? Yeah, these are the glasses. Aviator. Little bendy ear pieces and such and you can take off the nose piece but these lenses are called like spectrum 3, spectrum 4, etc. and the spectrum 4 ones apparently have like 5% light transmission. I don't know if I'd be like comfortable driving them around or driving with them here on the ground but the spectrum 3s I think let 20% light through and I can see that being okay here in Arizona. So water purification. The world. Yay! Our friends from last time, I'm so happy. So water purification on the Inca Trail, I think they were boiling water the whole time and then when you start your day early in the morning they just give you probably 4 liters of water per person depending on how much water you need and then throughout the day. So we really don't but when we did the Inca Trail I still took my own purification tablets just in case or I don't know if something goes wrong I still want to be able to purify water but yeah I think the same is going to be on Kilimanjaro they're going to probably boil water and then every morning we would have to fill our hydration bladder and oxygen bottles and so on. And I think really the tablets were like this big and a little container so they were hardly like worth arguing over in your mind. I think one of the biggest thing that builds up on us when we go on one of these trips is how many knick-knack backup things we need to have and to try to not be blind to the fact that they eventually accumulate some of them like we agree are reasonable things to bring like another pair of shoelaces and then other times sometimes you have your own personal stuff but a lot of those little trinkets can start to add up and we always find ourselves almost micromanaging to ourselves like do I really need this and it's hard to be like reasonably critical to yourself so really at the end of the day I think having these smaller bags to hike with will help because we can practice fill them we're gonna go do a practice hike about a month or so before we leave and that'll be like you know we'll pack our bags the same way and wear the same clothing and outfit and such like that just to make sure we feel okay but anyway. Yeah even right now when we go to the gym we try to dress or to at least wear our hiking clothes I'm not wearing like I'm wearing my shirt this is what I hike in but last time I was wearing hiking pants or hiking shoes but not today I don't feel like it but anyway what's this question need to add gears to the sides and make it steampunk Talking about the glasses if you go on Amazon and you look them up a lot of the ones do look very steampunk those are the cleanest looking ones I saw though some people say you can take off those side leather pieces other people say you can't but either way I think they look pretty cool they do and for 150 bucks maybe I prefer my $40 biking glasses I can get run over by a car and work still but still it's funny because with sunglasses even for me when I buy cheap sunglasses they last forever expensive sunglasses I either break them or lose them if you get them we should put like affiliate links out all the time we're learning like affiliate links are great for us on Amazon so we'll have to put all these things out there buy them buy them all what's your name my name is Habiba I'm Alex Alex we are Trekking Pals other stuff that we're taking just I mean we're rattling them off while we still have a load out list the Trekking Pals and we're excited because that big bag that we were talking about FOMET and we chuckled too my dad had said actually it was large enough that we might be able to save money by shipping Habiba to Kilimanjaro rather than buying her a seat that's what she had to say about it we ship you but we're happy because traveling with Trekking Pals can be a bit of a nuisance you're not really allowed to put them in overhead carrier like overhead carriers so even when we're doing domestic trips to like Glacier National Park or something like that you always have to check them which is a bit of a nuisance but if our bags are not big enough they end up like poking a hole through them and they're really a nuisance to carry with us so I think with these bigger bags we'll be excited to to take them in but even in the local travel here domestic travel in the US they're not a load in your carry-on bag because they are potentially weapons they can be used as weapons so they're not allowed you have to either no I don't think so no they're not allowed at all and Matt hi from Pennsylvania howdy howdy he's from your hometown your state Alex is Pennsylvanian what's he gonna say other stuff that we have so we bought some interesting medication that the people at like Passport Health recommended it's an anti-diuretic so if anything bad starts to happen while you're up there and having issues with your downstairs obviously is a bit of a problem while you're hiking for multiple reasons if you have diarrhea you're losing a lot of water so all this stuff is gonna be great she's complimenting your hairstyle I'm talking about bell movements thank you it's all good my wife always kept my old trekking folds by her side that's pretty funny every time I look at the end of a hiking pole I think about the movie A Knight's Tale where they like crush Atomars like tip to his to his thing and you see that he's got like the tipped lance and I'm always like mmm I think no but trekking poles are amazing I feel like the degree of confidence got me see sometimes I told Alex there's so much that he says or references pop culture references that I don't get so a lot of things get lost in translation in our relationship but I know when we went to the Inca Trail or some other national monuments something like that they're little rubber tips for your hiking pole that they'll usually require you to have on some national landmarks because they don't want your poles to scratch up everything I don't think Kilimanjaro is gonna be one of those places so no but what was the thing I was saying that trekking poles are good really nice I feel like I become more confident when I'm hiking out there if I have trekking poles because if there are you know you make enough noise for snakes you make enough noise in their country they're just they're really helpful I like having trekking poles with me I'm 50-50 with them the Osprey bags that we have are great in the sense they usually have like an ISAC spot or something on the back where you can just lash them to the back of your bag but some of the newer ones that I've been getting or bigger ones have like a little strap clip on your hip and a little rubber thing on your front and your arm and hiking so you can just kind of undo it and have them at your disposal right away but when there's a lot of brush on the side of the trail I find I get my poles stuck on the ground and I just choose not to even fight with them so Fomad said same with me and my wife she's from England and doesn't get a lot of my pop culture references even the British ones yeah I feel like Alex had me watch all Star Wars I watched every single one of them she watched most of them we got to everyone we got to episode 7 and there was like the movie theater so it was like reclining chairs right I don't even think she made it past the opening sequence she was just out but she made it through 1 through 6 I'll give you that and we watched them in the correct order 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3 get out of here oh yeah oh yes I didn't get her to watch what's the one what's 3.5 Rogue I didn't get her to watch Rogue it's not Rogue 1 that's the first one I don't know don't squeeze me in Star Wars okay I'm Matt I live near Hershey Hershey is where Hershey, Pennsylvania is where the hot the chocolate place is Hershey is the girl that we're watching from the TV show Sean White oh yeah we're watching the movie the TV show The Good Doctor what's his wife's name his wife's name is Leah Leah is from Hershey anyway what's our craziest experience hiking I'm not going to tell you the craziest, craziest stories those are the ones I guess we'd have to to script out a what's the craziest experience so man craziest in terms of so Humphreys when we did Humphreys Peak the first time here in Arizona for me Humphreys Peak is the highest peak in Arizona and it's 12,223 feet there's some repeated numbers 3 is one of them almost 13,000 but the first time we did it we were a little nervous about trying to go up there and it was like the end of the winter season a lot of snow and there's a lot of snow up there too and we bought like microspikes not crampons microspikes we put them on our little like regular hiking shoes we hid the trail at 3400 feet of elevation gain over the course of I don't know it was 12 miles roundabouts I think it was like 6 miles up 6 miles down it's cold and we actually got there and we were coming down and we looked in there like watch out for cornices and avalanches we ended up just going skiing we're like you know it's not for us not comfortable stay back we saw people coming down the trails we said you know what let's go up tomorrow the first 10 steps to the trail and we're already knee deep in snow post hauling the whole way down like up to the middle of our calves sometimes cautiously trekking on top and we zigzag up the first area switchbacks make the turn which is probably at about 11,000 something feet we are feeling the elevation we started in Phoenix at about 1,600 feet and we are both beat up tired the wind is blowing so much I forgot my gloves so I bought these pink lobster gloves like in the stinking like gift shop and they're not the best gloves in the world oh my god I really want to share with you guys this picture I don't know where it is right now but we are at the top of the mountain and we're like we're taking a picture we look so weird and funny and he's got like the huge thing I look like Zoynberg from Future All on I'm just like but so with this though we're getting our way up and not only before we get to the saddle we're beat as heck anyway but the snow drift is so deep that we don't even know where the trail is we've never been there before so we're a little concerned and nervous but every time we start to slip and slide we're like practicing like all we know is they're going to break when we go down we have no clue where we are every step is just like maximum effort it's like that ego challenge very difficult and we just we can't see the trail the trail is buried in snow we're just making our way up with so we get to the summit or not to the summit we get to the saddle and we're like yeah like there's the peak that's not the peak it's like there's two peaks behind it that's the peak and it's still like another hour and something away and you're just walking find the trail once we're on the saddle and to be honest we've done the trail again in the summer and it's actually a little bit of like stepping over rocks and like you gotta it's not obvious it's not like a tramped path the whole way there so we just start taking up like up and lord knows now that we've done it again that we just pretty much walked up like the dumbest area to the top of nowhere off the trail yeah and we're like again like shoulder deep like in snow like can you see anything yeah and then the last push Alex is like he's trying to figure out where the way to get to the summit and we're literally we realize that it was off trail all the way and there's a lot of scree it's not really like it's and I feel like everything is sliding and I'm like this does not sound right I am not a goat but and I'm like I'm going up and then everything is sliding I'm gonna die in here but we made it all the way up there and it was so windy so cold but it was amazing on a clear day you can pretty much see the Grand Canyon from the top of Humphreys Peak it was such a beautiful hike and we did it the second time we got there we started hiking around 3 a.m. 2 a.m. 2 30 a.m. second time probably trying to catch the sunrise and we we were up there by the sunrise so you see you say how long are we usually out I think when we it depends so obviously we're filming a lot of content right so there took a lot of discipline and this is stuff that we could probably talk about for Kilimanjaro too filming and photograph tools and stuff that we take we both have our own camera Habibi uses the GoPro we had like a tripod but like some of the interchange clips that we have for peak design shoulder things they're different than how they connect to the tripod we're getting better there but if we're not taking pictures we usually do about 20, 23 miles or 23 minutes a mile you know on a little bit uphill a little bit uphill but if we're taking pictures and such and filming stuff you know running back and forth the camera it could easily become a mile so it really depends on what our agenda is for the day if we're just hiking like I said about 23 minutes a mile I think is our pace and then just extrapolate that across your distance but when we're filming obviously you could take a lot longer and I mean I don't think I'm the fastest hiker out there and the point is not to run up the mountain unless we are training and we have a goal that we want to aim for but average hiking nothing extraordinary we'll get to the top of Humphreys though and there'll be people up there with like the little water packs looking like they just got off a jet ski and they're short shorts with their trail runners yeah their trail runners and all sorts of stuff and they're like excuse me can I get past really quick and they're like yeah I go up and down in two hours I'm like I am not up and down in two hours that's like a five hour hike that's for me if I'm hustling but it's a beautiful hike it's really nice we are there for 12 days hoping to hike around Anchorage Denali and Seward I'm excited for Harding Ice Field yay oh yeah so you're going to do Harding Ice Field Trail that one is that was my favorite obviously Crow Pass was really our favorite but but I thought Harding Ice Field Trail was the best it had so much to offer I called it like the King's Garden up there at some point where there's all these switchbacks after you get up and you can finally see over the glacier and then you get to the top where the glacier's been receding over the years and there's really really nice it's so cool no I'm just trying so I don't want to make this about as I want to see where Divan she's going Seward Denali little confused if I should do Matanuska or Lake Reeds Reeds Lake boy there are both there are two different experiences the hike on Reeds Lake obviously if you have the time do both but Matanuska Glacier is amazing I don't know what you plan on doing do you plan on ice climbing so there's so many things you can do in Matanuska at least three you can take a guided tour to go hike on the glacier or you can take an ice climbing tour but obviously if you're taking the ice climbing tour you are going to pretty much hike on the glacier to get to the ice climbing wall or you can take a helicopter tour and they take you around the Sheep Mountain area and you see the glacier from up top I think you should see Matanuska Glacier Reeds Lake is one of my favorite hikes of all times because it was very diverse and beautiful but if I were to choose between both Matanuska for sure what do you think? I'm the opposite I always like the hike and get into the top and I thought that the lake was great the only thing I regret is we should have jumped in and Reeds Lake had a lot of character at the bottom you're kind of walking across the grassy fields you go up over the side of the area and then all of a sudden you're boulder hopping on what seems to be a very loosely defined trail for a good while but I would say take this into account when you're in Alaska because this definitely got us places are far apart far apart and Denali might not even be visible depending on the weather that you have there and you may come to a moment where it'd be nice to have an A and a B game plan just so that you kind of know what it's like to address that choice beforehand if you're going down to Seward which is like a good four hours I think from Anchorage especially because Highway 1 goes around and then if you want to go over to Kenai you've got to go that way which is you've got to come back out of Seward and head over again all the way down to Homer maybe which is the totally opposite direction of Reeds Lake and Matanuska Reeds Lake and Matanuska are up north and they're available for you from Anchorage they're up north and then I would say that Seward and such and Harding Nightsfield Trail Kenai Fjord or what is that? Kenai National Forest? Kenai Fjords National Park National Park as well are down there to the south end so I would definitely compartmentalize your trips in those ways and because of their distance you're going to want to put aside space and time and budget for staying down there in Seward for a day if you really want to take a day or two to hit those Harding Nightsfield Trail is by all means a full day commitment just depending on how you feel afterwards you could conceivably go do something else but you'll want to stop and see wildlife and all sorts of stuff too but Matanuska is so unique and they told us that when we went ice climbing if you can do ice climbing I think the prices were very reasonable with the company that we took that we went with and oh my god ice climbing was one of the best experiences I was just up there on the wall screaming America I was never that happy because it was just very raw and unique experience I will say for Matanuska too though I liked the helicopter ride I didn't want to discredit you there because the glacier when you look at it from the front it's like a tidal wave you see the front you don't see the ocean behind it when you get up above those glaciers on that helicopter tour which is like 130 bucks per person I think and we were like that's good so far as I was concerned it was really cool to see how far back it goes and then to be able to see the landscape of where it's receded in some cases too because they've shrunk a lot and you really get a better perspective on that from above and then they take you to these areas where the glacier is old because they say when there is so much blue when the lakes are so blue and the walls of the glacier are blue that means that the ice is old so you get to see some very nice blue lakes especially if you are taking the helicopter ride I want to get to the questions about wildlife sorry sorry yeah okay how do you prepare to deal same question how do you prepare to deal with wild animals on the trail same question what about bears in Alaska and let's see okay yeah so bears in Alaska it's prime bear country you absolutely want to make sure that you have bear spray with you not only that but you need to know how to use your bear spray so bear spray if you are flying to Alaska you can't fly with bear spray because it's flammable so once you get to Alaska first thing that you want to do before even going to parks around Anchorage make sure that you still have your bear spray with you you get the canister from one of the stores I think we got one ours from Walmars or somewhere just like any store that has the fire like the guns and hunting gear and such so many places in those areas because they are outdoorsy will offer you that because I know they can sell it and I think yes compressed stuff because it's flammable so get the bear spray and also get a bear spray holder there's like a little tube that you can tie to your belt and that's where the canister goes and also ask when you get the bear spray if it works on both bear and moose because the thing with Alaska before I went to Alaska you would think that bears are more dangerous than moose moose are usually shy and probably bears are more dangerous but most of the attacks the animal attacks in Alaska are from moose not from bear because the if you are in front of a moose they get so intimidated and scared they can charge you immediately unlike a bear you know you just don't want to startle them and you want to keep your distance but moose attack a lot of people in Alaska and if the bear spray would work on both in case you have to use it so when we got our bear spray the person told us that it's effective on both moose moose and bear and then when we were hiking the hardened ice field trail we will literally write there was a bear in the bushes eating berries and it was how far was it from five feet away like literally hiking and the bear was just there it was a bit of a scary moment for me but you just want to talk to the rangers if there are rangers and then check the signs because usually on the hardened ice field trail they had the sign that said there was bear activity there was an active mom with her bears with her cubs be careful be aware and by that they mean just make enough noise have your bear spray know how to use it there are a lot of videos online that you know to educate yourself and then yeah so that's for bears can I bring up something else too so not only with the bear spray not only with the bear spray obviously and I applaud the get a bear spray holder because the last thing you want to do is approach an animal and have to like set your bag down and figure out how to fish it out of your bag and give them like a little sob story for a moment so they go right here on your side the belt goes right here you want to be able to access it very easily you know you don't want to fish for it on your bag and that's a good point though that usually when we bought the holder sometimes it came with like a shoulder strap other times it was just a carrier with a belt loop that implies that you must have a belt on in order to be able to stick it on so I think having a light belt when you're hiking there makes that work otherwise you could probably fish it through one of the straps on your shoulder strap for your bag anyway another thing for bears that's easy obviously we talk and make some noise because that's just good practice in general but they have you can put on your back usually the bell is magnetic and you can flip your magnet down on it and it'll grab a hold of the ball on the inside and prevent it from jingling around it's still a little muted but it's there where you can undo that magnet and it'll bounce around and jingle while you're walking around making noise for you and they cost like what like two bucks so I mean if you're looking for a couple of other things like that too some bear bells are a very easy thing especially if you are hiking alone which is not so recommended enough noise but yeah if you are hiking alone make sure that you have a bear bell with you to make some noise on the trail let's see so and I will say depending on the time of the year that you're there too I don't know if I saw when you were going to Alaska but if the days are really long or really shorter if it's the right season for them to be like nursing cubs or other things like that probably just reasonable information to know before you go there and that might allow research stuff differently if they suggest one season might be more prone to animal activity than other seasons yeah our friend Matt says I'm a go watch some of your videos on your channel ciao thank you wow your sentin video is awesome thanks so much could bear spray get in your own eyes and nose okay so let's answer this question so when you are carrying I'm going to tell you funny story too by the way by the way before we get to the video just to plug it here about things that you should pack with you when you are going to Alaska and I talk about the bear spray and everything right there so you can check the video so anyway so we are saying could bear spray get in your own eyes and nose so if you have it in your side right here it has a protective piece that kind of blocks it so it's closed there is a piece of it's a plastic clip that acts as a safety it prevents you exactly so it's a safety clip you close it so when you want to engage the bear spray you have to remove the safety clip so technically nothing is going to spray nothing is going to happen unless you remove that plastic clip which happened to us we were driving I talked about this last time so we'll just do a recap we were driving the bear spray was in the back seat of the car we made the heart turn in the car the clip was not there and it sprayed in the car all of a sudden we are coughing our lungs out and I was like oh my god where we just hit with covid or what and you were so strong so that was your proof that the bear spray really works but just keep it closed all the time yeah and it's really easy to get the little trigger off of your thumb use it it's not difficult and then I will say though if your question is more like if you are using it on a bear could it get on you everything of the wind is blowing it's better than the alternative so if it would be a deterrent that you might get some on you or something hey Mike hike with Mike good to see you so let's see let's go we answered the question about nose and eyes when on the trail do you prefer to wake up early or sleep in late I will say when on the trail there's no way I would ever really want to sleep in late I mean maybe if we're like a glamorous fantastic spot but usually I'm out there and I usually get up early because I'm out there and that's the point of being there so I would say I like getting up a little bit early I might get up and drag my feet through the campsite and such we might not get on the trail but I can't say that I'm just like in the tent until 10 a.m. that would be it would be too much for me what about you I like getting up early in the morning so there's a good tip from our friend hike with Mike he is saying that bear spray has an expiration date so make sure your expiration date on your can that's a very good tip make sure to check that and it brings up two interesting points regarding bear spray then and I wish we could have told it to our friend from earlier I've seen the numbers go up and down whoever our friend was that was traveling to Alaska whenever we're done with a trip we'll usually take our bear canister stuff and we'll try to give it to the rental car area because we're not going to take it back on the plane either we want to and you get to the airport if there's a lost and found or something else to the effect of that maybe even at a car dealership lost and found or maybe an airport lost and found then you might be able to ask if they have any bear spray just sitting around I can't say we've had any success with it yet because we took some with us the one time which I'm amazed that they accidentally let us get some but we didn't know back then on the plane we didn't realize at the time but then in Alaska we just got our own like last time when we finished our hike on the heart in Icefield Trail and we knew it's our last hike in Alaska we made the friend on the trail and we just gave it to him Billy Rip it's an amazing we met an amazing guy on that hike and he was so inspiring and he was a glaciologist it was such a silly thing because he walks up while we're at the bottom of Exit Glacier and he's just asking a couple of light questions and I'm like trying to explain to him what a horizontal or a lateral marine is and I mean I'm just a yokel idiot I don't know what I'm talking about who's the horizontal he's like well actually I'm a glaciologist I was like well why the heck have I been talking but then we're up on the trail eating like berries with this guy and picking stuff off and chatting with him the whole way down and we really liked him and we tried to reach now to him after we got home we sent him he was he was a bit older than us and it was his long time dream to come to Alaska and he came solo this is like his life dream for a long time and before we became friends with him I took pictures of him in front of the waterfall in the glacier and then when we started talking I said hey I took these pictures you were in the picture I want you to see them and he was so happy and excited gave us the email I sent him the photos by email but he never answered so the email was wrong or he didn't see it but I'm so liked to spam or something to him I don't know went to spam but I sent email after him I just want him to see it because we loved our relationship with that person he was cool he's a really cool guy what is the most so okay let me I have to catch up here bear spray has an expiration date we talked about that I don't like to get up early when it's called out then I hibernate in my sleeping bag Mike what is the most unexpected situation you have run into while hiking nothing crazy really yeah I'd like to say that I mean to to shrug off the question which I'm not going to try to do I would say like we usually look at our stuff or we make sure we have a map I think when we did flat top mountain in Alaska which is like a trail that's really accessible right there in the Anchorage area the top I think we went the wrong way around a little area and we're doing some like real kind of rock climbing stuff an area that was not a trail with legitimate penalty if you didn't hang on that was probably like what comes to mind first I'm sure there's something else but I there is one when we hike the Gila we're wilderness with a group of people right we didn't have a map we didn't have a map and then they left us even though we were hiking with a group so that's like one lesson that we learned not the hard way but still so one time there was this group on meetup which that just comes to prove you have to know the people that you are hiking with and set expectations so they were going on this overnight backpacking trip and we tagged along with them and we didn't really know them that was early on when we started backpacking but they didn't really work as a group and when we hiked the way in it was good but then on the way out everyone went on their own way and we didn't really have a map it was kind of like an organized thing where we thought it was like there was a leader and we were following the withdrawal on their own and we didn't that's the day that we realized like always have our own map always have our own stuff luckily I got us back like 12 or 10 miles or whatever just kind of remembering where we came from but it was still just disconcerting to kind of feel like left out like that yeah and it's it was like in the middle of the Yila Wilderness in New Mexico and it's not it was a lot of mileage that we covered but Alex is really good with directions so you didn't even have a map and they they took a loop to get out of where we camp but then we just traced our way back the way we came in and they were like oh wow you made it of course we made it then we had to plane ice and sit down and have food and then we were like so that since then was like we'll have your map even when we are hiking together I usually have mine on all trails downloaded and I have I know that like you can't always have a charger and I have a portable charger so that I can charge my phone if I need to yeah they're good manners I think to have especially in such a technical world if you're going to take them you should take a battery we can talk about battery packs actually too which ones we like to take for little stuff and the big banks that we have too so Mike is saying a lot of parks rent out bear spray too that's correct I remember when we landed in Glacier National Park they had an outfitter who rents bear spray I'm opposite of Mike if I get cold and move around hike with Mike I'm a tropical guy if it's lower then I I think Mike is from Florida right from last time oh yeah yeah yeah I'm a tropical guy if it's lower than 60 degrees in the morning I am cold but I'm perfectly that's pretty high you see it's six and one half a dozen the other for me sometimes too if we're on like a moving camping sort of trail where every day's in a different destination then I kind of want to get up and go a little physically to get out that's almost how I enjoy it but if we were like camping at one spot for four or five days I would totally just do whatever so I feel like it really could go both ways have you camped in the Midwest area like the the Upper Peninsula of Michigan or Wisconsin Minnesota area no you have I have you have he has biked the so my family loves bike rides Upper Peninsula and we started at Eskenaba way over on the side of the Upper Peninsula then we biked all the way across the St. Ignis then up to Whitefish Point the back over and we went through what is that park there dad don't watch this you're going to kill me because I can't remember Taqueminon Taqueminon National Park right up there by Whitefish Point see I pulled that out I had no phone there was nothing on my sleeve Taqueminon National Park and we biked the Upper Peninsula as a family and it took us about six days we went like all the way over we did go to Mackinac Island Mackinac that was great the Upper Peninsula was awesome great food not a lot of sales service the thing that bothered me the most and not that anything really bothered me about the UP was just that we got to bike alongside the waterfront the whole time but there was always waterfront property between us and the water so we might be biking right next to the lake all the time but there was a big wall of trees and private property lighthouses everywhere I'm saying yeah I've never been but I want to but we camped and we stayed in one or two motels to take a shower but we camped out there I did a sleeping bag camping most of the time and I did a hammock one day too awesome and it was beautiful what was the other one Manastique I think was the other place that we really thought was very pretty nice we should go back there together at some point then let's see Matt love your passion good luck with your adventure you're around thank you our friend okay Divanche Divanche is our friend going to Alaska safety wise if I see a wildlife unexpectedly like few feet away should I keep walking should I stop and wait for them okay so oh boy running out of power so we will try to answer this together and then I know that some of our friends here like FOMAT and hike with Mike they're also pretty knowledgeable friend Divanche do you want to start do you want me to start sure so first things first obviously try not to come in front of them if you see animals give them a wide berth I realize they're not boats but that's my turn of phrase and I'm sticking to it I think they said when we were in Glacier give a hundred yards to something that wants to kill you 25 at least to something that's not going to kill you but if you come across something in front of you there's a lot of just primal animals like things that you would want to take into fact like you think about animals when they look like if you have a dog your dog pooped on the floor you didn't want your dog to poop on the floor and you come home speaking loud your dog puts its head down and kind of you don't want to show those sort of submissive personality traits if you come across an animal they want you to get big take up space if you have a jacket kind of like you can think about like little dinosaurs and Jurassic parks that make themselves really big make yourself appear to have a bigger footprint by like wings and such let's step back yeah you're getting too far too far so DeVance is saying I'm hiking on the trail and I see a bear or a moose what am I going to do well if it's further out you're not going to do anything you don't want you just keep on hiking on the trail if the bear is on the trail that you want to avoid it you want to to stay away so we're not talking the scenario where the bear is charging at you you just want to keep your safe distance now the rule in Alaska and anywhere you never run from a bear but you run from a moose if a moose is charging you you want to run you don't you don't stand there because he's just going to go like a crazy animal but you don't want to run from a bear and you never want to stand between a bear a mama bear and her cubs so if you see your cubs you have to stay away you know what I mean and then what Alex is talking about is scenarios where a bear or an animal is charging at you so you never want to to show yourself small in front of a bear and then there are different types of bears come with different types of behaviors there are things black bear and the grizzly bear not the same thing so with black bear if a black bear charges at you you're going to use your bear spray and then you're going to fight you want to fight back with the black bear with the grizzly bear they don't suggest that you fight back they suggest that you pretend like you're dead cover your head stomach on the ground this is like we're talking very you know serious charging situations on the ground cover your head with your backpack pretend that you are dead if the animal tries to turn you're going to turn with it until they leave that's the grizzly bear now so you have to know how you can differentiate between the grizzly bear and the black bear so that you know what to do in every scenario so these are things that you can search online and learn about and we'll see what our friends here have to say to you and Touche in our case with the bear or even if you watch one of our Yellowstone videos we walked right past a bison that was sitting right there on the trail it was like three feet away if they're not interested in you sometimes like these are very much rules of thumb but the bear we walked past was eating berries was behind a wall of brush they're like like I said there are moments where you're still allowed to evaluate the decision on your own a little bit don't run just don't run from a bear for sure okay so our friends formats oh wow we've been running for 57 minutes that's crazy are you guys tired out of time too is your problem yeah my phone is gonna die okay so let's see Glacier did make us watch a video at the airport for what it's worth to answer that one pretty quickly I feel like I remember the format you're becoming our biggest fan and thank you so format is the first person who joined our YouTube channel as a member today which is very exciting our first our first loyal member format okay a hike with Mike pictured rocks looks amazing on the upper peninsula it's on my bucket list Matt I love the jet boat ride to Mackinaw hey there the boat ride over there is pretty neat and all those islands that sit between the lower peninsula and the upper peninsula pretty picturesque looking good hey thank you we know who that is yes we do alright format it can depend on the animal species itself the big thing is not to startle them which is why bear bells are a thing I mean we're even happy to use them out here for rattlesnakes and other stuff coyote we came across the other day hiking at the end of the day just picking at something on the trail for anything being obvious that you're there not a bad thing if the animal is interested in you anyway they were going to find you even if you were or were not making noise exactly so it's only to your benefit to have a bit of noise being made hike with Mike show no fear act like you are on top of the food chain make yourself big talk loudly walk slowly backwards facing the animal and move away but always keeping in sight but no direct eye contact all great tips hike with Mike great channel enjoy these live streams a lot good times and great conversation thanks thanks so much Mike and we appreciate you your feedback here and just helping you know spread some knowledge I know you have a great channel on YouTube yourself so very cool sadly I think I think we're running out of time here we are and not only because we're running out of time because we're running out of battery yeah my phone is probably gonna die in a little bit do you have a charger um thank you I think we have a cable but we have we've been running for like an hour that's crazy all right one more let's see if we have a few questions let's get them done and then we'll wrap up in five minutes yeah sounds fine yeah let's do five minutes okay the the Vange I searched safety tips and first thing on Reddit is if it's brown lay down if it's black fight back if it's white good night we're talking about animals I'm guessing not bowel movements polar bear oh good night good night sure if it's brown lay down it's pretty much I wonder what what you should do like how is the polar bear behavior different than black bear grizzly ah I don't know from everything I've ever seen where people are like out on scientific expeditions and they come across an animal by the way I love those national geographic things like David Attenborough yeah oh my god he's the man he's got like all that stuff was good out there but whenever I see some of those scientific things like and they had like a polar bear outside of their like scientific camp at the night the polar bear wasn't looking to eat them it was like playing with their equipment or other things like that static stuff or navigation or other things like that but I think I think that I would be horrible at giving you recommendations on specifically what to do with a polar bear yeah I don't know either maybe I'm going to go and research that tonight and see but I will say for us like I said out here we have a couple different things in the desert with rattlesnakes and stuff like that too where oh yeah so you just need to be aware for everything watch out for the young things just cause they usually are representing protective people right here um have you guys seen the video last year of the guy in Provo, Utah who was attacked by a mountain lion if you guys have leave a comment cause it's crazy it's like 20 minutes of him like just you know pooping his pants there walking backwards the whole way and the things like like you see a cat right you drop something down in front of a cat and it will bat at it right now you make that cat and it's bigger and Adam's doing that oh my god this guy eventually managed to throw a rock I think he scared off but that was the big lion cause oh my god I just came out for a run I want to be fit and healthy and no one will trouble it's crazy alright let's see it is all perspective the most dangerous threat you face is mosquitoes ticks and other people that's true yeah cause we haven't talked about ticks much but my dad was stationed in Juno, Alaska like 50 years ago they had a bear that just hung out on their little base all the time and they would play with it call them Kodi Kodiak they name it Kodi that's great now the animals for us are something that we try to be aware of when we go on our further trips but I think at home we're probably a bit more comfortable but I think at that spot just watch your YouTube videos yeah in your ability to make a decision in that matter too is just as important cause you know you have you and your hiking partner and if you both have different ways of approaching that that can cause a lot of stress too that's just unnecessary the audio goes back by the way I would watch those videos on YouTube though just to have it gives you that reassurance and there's plenty of content out there too that's valuable so awesome guys this was really nice do you have so we'll do Thursdays we started doing Thursdays for about a month now or a little bit more yeah 6 p.m. we moved from 5 p.m. to 6 p.m. if 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maybe we'll go to Alaska again probably we'd like to see the northern lights but I can hear you talking fast because we don't know how much battery is left okay anyway so format Mike Leslie Divanche the word who else who else Matt who else did I miss got it I think that's probably everyone who joined us today you guys are so awesome I did my first review the other day have a little bag that we use so go look at this the first time I think I did like a full on video for the channel so he did a full review not anything impressive but so he sat down filmed the video gave the review I did the editing I got some positives I did the editing I said the format that it was awesome he loved the review thank you I saw actually you know what last thing so format left a comment on Alex's review about the movie Inception oh yeah and I went straight to Alex and I was like you know what I didn't even understand what you meant in that video I told you a lot of things get lost in translation bag in a bag bag in a bag alrighty alright awesome alright enjoy the gym thank you so happy to chat with all of you guys and we will see you next Thursday 6 p.m. alright I'm Habiba I'm Alex and we are Tracking Pals bye guys