 All right. It looks like most of the people have joined and we'll get started. Just before we do so, we want to welcome you to tonight's meeting and we appreciate everybody taking the time to be here with us tonight to talk about Perkins Pier. And especially now that we're into December and there's lots more going on and a lot more interest pulling us out of zoom meetings and in our usual rhythms of life. We especially appreciate you taking the time to be here and provide feedback on the plan for Perkins Pier. And just before we get deep dive into the project itself, I want to just give you a chance to, if you have not used zoom before and don't know how to use the chat. You can reach out to max his phone number and his email address are at the bottom of the screen here to help you with zoom and any other related questions. So without further ado, we'll get started. And as I mentioned previously, we'll have time for questions at the end. And we appreciate your patience as we figure out a few challenges here. Thanks. And I'll pass it over to Cindy. You're muted. Thank you. Thank you very much. Hi, I'm Cindy white the director for Park track and waterfront with me today is also my cat, Jeff, he will provide great insight on how a cat thinks that Perkins pier should be used. As I said, we really appreciate everybody coming out tonight and listening in and taking part in it. This is number three of our workshops. And as we reimagine Perkins pier we couldn't reimagine it without all of you so thank you so much for taking time out of your day. I hope you're at home enjoying some time with your family that allows us with the virtual meetings to be doing that maybe you're putting your kids down to bed at a dinner with your family all of it made possible by by doing these meetings. So again, thank you for coming. And I want to thank my team, especially Sophie and john and max and Diana, who've all been working hard on this project from the internal side to make it possible. And with that Sophie I'll pass it back to you. Hi, everybody. I'm just to give you an overview of what we're looking at this evening. We have the agenda in front of us will start we started with some introductions will dive more into the consultant team introductions will go through the process and outreach they've gone we've gone through throughout this process since early in this calendar year will give you an idea of the feedback we've received throughout the process throughout the meetings throughout the outreach and surveys. I'll give you an overview of the preferred scheme, and then provide you with a outlook to the next steps for the project itself, and I'll pass it on over to Rhian. Thank you Sophie. The team for this project is made up of planners and landscape architects, Marina experts and coastal and environmental engineers. So I am with, I am a project manager with agency landscaping planning I'm also an urban planner. I'm joined by my colleagues, Kim where who's a landscape designer and amen Hutton just landscape architects and you'll meet them and hear from them a little bit further along in the, in the presentation. We also have our other colleague Brie household who unfortunately wasn't able to be here she just got her booster shot so she's taking a little bit of time off to to rest up. But we also have two really amazing collaborators who are with us Moffitt and nickel. There are Marina experts and coastal engineers and then BHB who are environmental engineers. So we have a really great team and who have been working hard on this project on our end as well. So we'd like to get to know you a little bit more and get familiar with the polling, although I'm sure at this point many of you are experts at times throughout the presentation you'll be prompted to fill out a poll and zoom and give feedback on the ideas and concepts for discussing. So these polls are going to pop up on your screen. When they do we're going to ask you to follow instructions and please select your responses. So we're going to use the zoom poll function and the options in the poll will correspond to the content we show you on the slide here. So for our first poll we want to understand where you live in relation to Perkins pier. There are four options a within walking distance, which is about a half a mile from the pier, be within driving distance or mile away, and it also is shown by the larger circle on the map there. So if you live in Burlington but more than a mile from the pier and do you live outside the city. So we're going to go ahead and pull that poll up. All right. Okay, so you should see that on your screen now for poll one. Go ahead and answer the question that most relates to your relationship to Perkins pier. And then I'll just wait about a minute and then I'll share back the results. Right, so you have a good number of participants so far about 80% have participated. Everyone another minute or so. Someone's also making use of the chat and their response. Okay. All right, I'm going to go ahead and end this poll and share the results. As you can see on the slide here, majority of you live within walking distance a little bit over half. But many of you also live within driving distance or also live in Burlington, and only about four of you live outside of Burlington, but still made made sure to come here today to participate in this meeting with all of us. So welcome everyone thank you so much for joining, recognizing that you all are very busy. We're excited to have you here with us and we're excited to take you through the project together. All right, so we're going to do a little bit of a project recap just bring everyone up to speed especially for those who are just joining us for the first time. The project goals as it was stated by the city when they first released this project was to create a unified water and landside vision for Perkins Pierce Park and Marina. Identifying amenities, partnerships and other opportunities to integrate economic development enhance the experience of the park in the marina and to better residents quality of life. So here there's, there's this dichotomy between land water between local and visitor and between parking marina that we want to make sure that we play out as it relates to the preferred plan. So when we think about the schedule we started at the beginning of February to develop a site inventory and a deep analysis of the site alongside the HP and Moffitt and nickel. In March, we shared back what we learned with all of you in our first public workshop, which was virtual in the same format as this one. And we also met with our working group so our working group is made up of mostly city staff, as well as key partners to engage with Perkins pier pretty regularly. So we integrated that feedback from that, that initial analysis into our first stab at a plan. So we started developing the plan back in March, we shared three different concepts with you all early summer I think it was end of May beginning of June. We integrated that feedback again and then spent a little bit of time you can see in July through September, we took, we took a little summer pause to develop what's called a marina capacity study so we have been really focused on Perkins pier decided to zoom out for a couple of months and what the capacity of the overall harbor in in Burlington can handle as it relates to voting needs. So I'll share a little bit of what we learned there. Once we completed that study at the end of September we picked this back up and are ready to share preferred plan based on all of these conversations we've been having with you since the beginning of February, as well as all of the analysis and other workshops we've been having with the public, as well as with the city. So we're hoping to complete the plan by the end of December, and share that back with all of you in the new year. So to give you a little bit of the outcomes as it relates to the marina capacity study. Today, you have about 629 slips within the market and on the image on the left hand side you can see where those exist. The blue kind of teal colored ones are sitting managed, and the more gray blue spaces or shapes are privately managed. So your maximum flip capacity as it exists right now. My apologies is about 900, 900 slips or opportunities for making new slips. When we think about demand when we think about all the different people that want to be able to use the slips want to be able to use the harbor have spaces for more and have spaces to dock their boats. We've looked not only to your current patterns, both those people who use these spaces seasonally and also visitors who come by just for maybe a night or two. We looked to both what will the demand be in 10 years and what could the demand be in 20 years, and do we have enough space within the harbor to support those needs. We have enough space within the harbor to support those needs needs today as well as through opportunities for expansion. So on this image to the right, you can see in the lighter teal and in the lighter gray blue, both the city, and the overall kind of private opportunities for expanding more opportunities for parking sale boats and motorized boats within the harbor. That gave us a chance to really think about what Perkins here could support, especially it's Marina and how we can phase in implementation of the expanded Marina over time. So that brings us to an image that some of you who participated in our last workshop have likely seen before, which is a diagram that highlights. If we were to take all of our analysis and put it into one image, what is fixed what can't change about Perkins here in the Marina, and what is flexible what are the things that we can play with and start to think about redesigning. So I'm going to focus a little bit more on the flexible spaces because those are the elements that are going to you'll see change in the preferred plan. And those are thinking about how the greenway might shift and relate back to some of the program along along the harbor and within the lake. And then also think critically about where what the building could be and how the building can change it's both its location, as well as the size of the building and it's different uses. So we also heard, by and large from both the voter groups, as well as from the city that they'd like to rethink how the D&E docs work and how people access the water today. And so we'll show you a little bit of that thinking too. And then also some really important needs for replacing some of the wood walls along the Marina, replacing some of the granite block walls along the lake, and rethinking the riprap shoreline. So we'll show you a little bit of what we've been doing there in a couple of moments. When we last met with you, we also shared two, two potential plans, two options, and they varied greatly in their approaches, the outlook was much more focused on a long kind of continuous promenade space. And really thought about the greenway is passing through the park, and the promenade thought about a series of play spaces that reach the lake, but also give the greenway push the greenway to the edge of the park, and allow for more kind of passive or programed uses to occur in a larger space. So from all of, from those two ideas, we, you shared a lot of what you'd like to see with us. And we've taken that feedback into account and try to develop a preferred plan from there. Before I show you the preferred plan, I want to talk a little bit about what we learned from the workshop and from other engagements that we've been doing since this last workshop. Since we had our second workshop, we met in the same style venue online, and about 50 people participated. We received 80 questions, which is great. A lot of you had a lot of a lot of ideas and also a lot of questions about what this park could be and what the marina could be. And a little bit more of you in the last meeting then in this meeting identified yourselves as Burlington residents. In that workshop we focused a lot on those two design concepts, and talked about the character, and the types of programs you wanted to see. So some takeaways as it relates to those programs where that a priority for the majority of participants was to have a kind of community beach space, a place where you could get literally get down to the short edge and touch the water in a safe way, especially in a way that promotes accessible, universally accessible movement. There was also, there was kind of a divided opinion about the outlook versus the promenade. In the outlook, a lot of participants love the idea of a tree lion promenade, and also the idea that the green light to cut through the park and encourages the movement of the green light, which I think if you've been to the green way recently you've seen. And then the promenade idea, a lot of people really love the, this idea of thinking about shade structures, and how we can provide more places for people to gather or, or sit and stay in the park rather than move through. And then there are a lot of different ideas about what we could do when we think about the boat ramp. There are a few quotes from that workshop from what people had to say. And then we'll go on to the next slide. We also, after we received all of that really great feedback from the workshop, we wanted to make sure that those who couldn't participate in the workshop still had a chance to share their feedback about the character of the park and the marina, as well as the types of programs that they'd like to see. So we released a survey with the city and shared that survey online through social media, through their website, as well as in Perkins Pier you might have seen signs throughout the throughout the park, asking people to take the survey, and 81 people participated we asked eight questions so it's pretty quick. And I'll show you a little bit of what we learned from that as well. So the biggest takeaways from that from that survey was actually that a lot of the participants in the survey reinforced the feedback that we received in the workshop. So everyone was pretty much aligned in terms of the different on the value system that they had. And that was that they love the idea of having open green space and they love that about Perkins Pier today and if they could expand it that I think was definitely a priority for them. Another takeaway that we learned from the public was that places to walk and to have expansive views of the lake and the mountains is really exciting to them and preserving those views is important. We had a few differing opinions about placement of the buildings of thinking about parking and how we kind of how we think about what where those land within the park so curious to get your thoughts today. And then also there was a definitely a preference for tree line promenade so we'll show you what that looks like in the preferred option, as well as interest in including play as part of the overall park experience. So I'm going to turn it over to my colleague Kim where a landscape designer with agency and she's going to share the preferred team. Thank you. Hi everyone I'm Kim. Great to see everyone tonight. I'm going to go through the preferred scheme and sort of unveiling. So as you might be able to notice this sort of scheme that we've landed on is almost a stitching of both of those previous schemes that we showed at the second workshop that we was just walking through, sort of combining the overlook idea with the promenade and sort of overall keeping Perkins as what we know people love about it today is being this sort of space that connects and transitions between land and water having this sort of beautiful waterfront and then it'd be on Lake Champlain that's sort of bracketed by, you know, the mountains like in the city on the other side. And so Perkins here becomes the sort of moment where people can transition from the city out to water and help moments like we heard where they can have expansive views towards the mountains and across the water, but also actually get into the water and experience that risk and touch the water. And so sort of the sequence of movement that we have here as you're moving in also to zoom in so that it's a little bit easier to see everything we have going on here, coming in from the city along the street, coming into this long tree line promenade that we heard from so many of you that we wanted to see that you like from the overlook scheme. And so as you're moving in here you have a sort of deep space with seating on either side. And as you're walking through towards the middle here, you have these play areas that want these to be sort of educational spaces for different age groups, and then these are elements that you can place spaces also with some structure, just for people to not only learn about the environment around them and sort of history of the space, but also just have an area to come and play along the water front. And as you're moving towards the end of the promenade here you sort of land at this flexible closet space, which can be sort of flexible with events, different community groups, or just a flexible space that can be used in the wintertime as like an ice skating rink outdoors, different art pop ups, etc, just like a flexible community space at the end of the waterfront here, that still has those long expansive views. To your north or to the right if you're looking towards the water here you have the sunset lawn, which is like a softer more flexible space where we're creating all of these different edges for people to sit. And once again enjoy the views and sort of watch the boats coming in and out. And just, that's the most beautiful vantage point from the entire site so just giving as much real estate to having that moment as possible on that sunset lawn. And so from there sort of keeping again that idea of creating edges to view across the lake but also allowing people to get even closer to the water. We have these sort of peer extensions that come out to the north where boats can sort of come in and out but also people can get a little closer to the water while still being high and dry above water surface. Then towards the south here we get the sort of floating dock that we come down towards the public board block which sort of reaches down into the area where we have the human powered watercraft launch. So this is very active zone so people can come down and enjoy watching people launch their boats, but also seeing the motorized boats to your left. So that's a very active space there. And so going into that multi use launch area, essentially how you would access that is from the parking lot coming across the canal which was realigned. Either go to your right or left to sort of wade into the water with your boat or kayak paddle board, sort of have more gentle entry into the water. Or you can continue straight onto the floating dock and sort of set your watercraft off to the side and get into it that way so you sort of have multiple ways to get into the water. So it creates this opportunity for a bunch of different users and a bunch of different groups to be able to use the water, which is sort of making up for losing that go ramp to the north there. And so the last Kim, sorry to, sorry to cut you off before you move on. Will you allow me to nerd out about parking for a moment. Oh, sorry, I was worried we blow by it. I just wanted to say a couple pieces here about the parking lot in particular so you'll notice that the footprint looks quite similar to the footprint that's there today with the gravel lot by paving it and striping it. This scheme really makes a much more efficient parking lot so we'll have the capacity for 120 cars which is quite similar to the current lot without quite as much space so sort of regularizing it is really in the interest of making a smaller parking lot in some senses. What I mean is while making a paved parking lot from a gravel one might seem like a loss for water quality and infiltration, it's actually a big win here so we're right on the lake and it's important here that we don't let water just leech down through the ground or run into the lake too fast, because it, you know, like all runoff carries sediment and potentially contamination. I won't go into tons of detail about the ground below but what this scheme does is essentially hold the parking a bit higher and pave it so it's much easier to run the runoff to landscape areas that can slow that water. There's one and there's one in the middle of the parking lot. Yeah, slow the water, help to filter it to treat it. I just want to kind of come out and say that right out of the gate that it might look like a grayer plan but this is much better from a perspective of the blue. The other thing is a circulation issue so one of the challenges today as you come down Maple Street you kind of just crash right into the park and you're not crash literally but you drive into the park. And that creates an issue with the the greenway as it comes southbound through the park, where you have a conflict of greenway users crossing cars so here we want to swing the greenway toward the lake and at the same time the ideal would be to not have vehicles coming straight into the park but instead turning down the valley lane and using that as a way to get into that parking lot in and out and have a nice circulation. The concept doesn't hinge on that idea, we can continue to enter from Maple Street, but like many of these ideas I've already seen it in the chat. These are aspirations and long term plans so the city knows kind of how to move in unison, and I'll be sailing in the same direction so this, that's just my nerd out spiel about the parking lot continue. Beautiful, I wouldn't have been able to do it as much justice. But no speaking of storm water can get to the sort of floating wetlands that you see here in the multi use launch area and those are sort of multi purpose. Not only were they working to filter some of the water coming off the site going into the to the lake and with sort of those fighter immediate of plants that are sort of cleaning the water coming off. But also they act as sort of wave attenuation features so we have this, you know, significant investment in this launch area to allow for people to access the water. And we know over time that sort of the choppiness and storm events from from the lake make become more intense and so these sort of start to act as as well as the sort of layering the boardwalks here, start to act as mechanisms to sort of ease those waves of water coming in towards the site. And then lastly here we have another public doc that comes out for a public boardwalk rather that comes out from that launch area. And at the edge here we have this sort of secured access point for the day for doing the dog so people coming in and out of the morning fields from the parking lot sort of have a secure entry and exit point from getting on and off and I think lastly I was going to get to the parking lot I think and cover that beautifully but lastly here in the center we have the public facility with sort of creating a campus around with a seating shade structure area here. And a sort of splash pad that can become sort of like a play element but it's also sort of this very beautiful interactive water feature, a lot of people to cool off without actually having to get into the water there. And then lastly, at the top here actually we're creating sort of operations team building for the people managing the park itself. We have a work yard and also sort of a floating dock off to the side here which is taking the space of where the boat ramp used to be. And so that's kind of a give and take for a sacrifice that was made with this plan but we sort of figured that since we're creating so much more access with the multi use launch area here with the different ways of accessing the water and getting down. So we're sort of creating more opportunity for water access there and then go around with allow for. So that is the plan for taking it all in. And then next so we know that the wastewater treatment plan that's just south of the site here is going to expand. The not too distant future so thinking about how that would impact the site. It would mostly impact the amount of parking that we have on the site but we thought that that would be the best thing to if we wanted to let go of anything from the plan we've wanted to get rid of some of the parking spaces rather than any of the water access facilities or recreation amenities, and there still would be ample parking spaces for people to be able to access the site, even with that extension in the future. Anything anyone wanted to add there about the wastewater treatment plant. Okay. So looking at the cost that's not I don't know if you wanted to jump in here also in. I'm happy to talk about the cost. It's come up in the chat already. Somebody said well, cool ideas but how much is it going to cost why do we talk about cost, or why not get to cost before we talk about ideas. Well, I think the short answer is the long term future of this part and the city's waterfront is vital for the city and investment there is critical and it's going to be large investments for a long period of time. The city won't know how to swim toward that target without a vision. So vision comes before budget often it's how budgets are set so this is a critical process. We're very early on in the visions coming together so we're excited that's what you're seeing on this plan. As you can imagine, you know when we're talking about bike racks or we're talking about the width of the path or paving material costs can vary quite a bit. And in this early phase a citing study. This is more about what happens where and the cost of how we articulate that could be low or it could be high and what really most often happens in a park like this is there's choices where, you know, we might decide to use a more affordable kind of easy to maintain durable but less expensive way to pave the parking lot so that we can spend a little more money on the docs. Those sorts of ideas are all part of the, the budgeting process here but it means that every cost could be a small cost or a high cost and therefore the budget that we have for this project as it's designed here could be as low as let's say 8 million. Or it could go all the way up to 25 million right and that's just reflective of where we are in this part of the process. We don't know all of those details yet and we don't know what the budget is so it's about setting a vision and understanding that spread of possible costs. I can imagine that somewhere in the middle is what will be right for the city we won't want to park that's completely spare and austere and really down to the bone but we, we understand that the budget needs to be balanced and, and that sooner implementation is more important than waiting for a really fancy version down the road so something in the middle is what's right. That's, that's just kind of the range of possible costs for this whole project. But what we do know is of that total cost, the money goes to different sorts of projects so there's grading and erosion control utility work demolitions and removal. All of that we consider enabling work the stuff that must be done before the project actually becomes the project that you're seeing on this picture. And then the three big buckets of cost are the buildings at 20% of the budget. The marina improvements at just about 30% of the budget and site improvements at about 36% of the budget. Go to the next. Yeah. So, yes, full time. Take it away. Thanks for the full thinking and then I figured you could do a cost a lot better than I thought I just sent it over to you but um, yeah so we have our first poll, or a second poll rather that's sort of getting at how you would prefer to implement this plan or how you would prefer paying for, or seeing if it's funded. So, we'll sort of open up the poll in a second but our options here are sort of about a whether we're using federal state and local dollars which includes, you know, special bonds or special grants, you know we have all of these different types of accessibility with the waterfront but also environmental resiliency with the floating wetlands and storm water filtration. There's also a lot of different recreation amenities that we're implementing here that there are special grants out there that can help to fund parts of the program here. And so that's the first option there. Second answer be would be increase fees for private use see partnerships with private groups. And then see about philanthropy. And then if you have any other additional ideas feel free to share them in the chat. We'll sort of discuss them as we go there. We want to open up the poll. We'll have a couple minutes for everyone to consider an answer. Is everybody seeing the polls because I'm not. I'm just checking. I think about half of the people have the participants have participated. Another moment or so, like, about 70% of everyone here has answered so far. It's like we're going to share the results. All right, so it looks like most people would like for it to be you know, federal state and local dollars at pace with this plan. So we're coming in second there with 50% of the of the votes. So increase fees partnerships, sort of a lower end of the spectrum but it looks like a lot of people about five of you decided to enter other ideas into the chat. Money everywhere we can. I think it's not want to place taxes for this. So we've had a lot. Enough of that for a while so any other ideas for additional ways to pay. So you can sort of keep that conversation going and much out of the other ideas for spending but it seems like the majority of people that 15 of you have responded. So it would be the best way of the preferred to go about the plan. So keep that in mind, but we already unveiled this plan on Saturday so some of you might have been there. Thank you for reading whether it looks like it was a very clear day I wasn't there but it's to be beautiful but 55 participants came out to our pop up that we had on the site on Saturday we sort of unveiled the plan but also we're using these peppermints to ask people what their priority investments would be for each of the elements of the plan. So we've got great responses there. And so the main takeaways from that there were almost 300 votes that were cast with the total of 4,540 peppermint spent. And so these are the top eight priorities that people voted for with the recreation manatee like sunset lawn was the most popular and was also only cost one peppermint to invest in sunset lawn so I think that made it very easy to vote for that. But also floating wetlands and greenways. So the greenway realignment and the plan came in second tide for second with the slash pad playground launch boardwalk and prominent came coming in a little bit towards the end. I'm a little bit surprised to see that prominent took place but I think, you know, just as sunset lawn was easy to vote for because it only costs one peppermint since the prominent I think cost five peppermints. It was sort of something that people sort of had to reckon with and deciding whether or not to vote for that particular and then it even was something that was in the first two meetings something that people really saw as a priority. Something that really drew them to the plan. So now we'll get into implementation priorities with the famous. Yeah, I guess I don't need to introduce myself I'm like I keep chirping in the middle of other people's. But I am a landscape architect at least we're now seeing those same things that Kim just walked us through in terms of the priorities that came forward in this pop up event last week. We're seeing it on the plan here. So it's kind of hard to make sense of like this. You see them ranked there on the right, but if we go to the next plan. This is where you'll see the top. I lost a number there, a couple things are missing. But the top six investments if we look the list on the right or the sunset lawn Greenway floating wetlands splash pads playgrounds and launch so that tells us a very clear message about how people want to use this park. They want to move here, they want to play here, and they want to enjoy the link. Kim touched on this. These are also the six cheapest investments. So we were playing a game in the park to gather this feedback where folks had a limited number of money it was candy in this case. And so it's not surprising that the cheaper items, got the highest number of votes, both because you could get a lot of bang for your buck, but you could go for one big project and then grab a couple small projects. And I encourage you all to keep thinking about this sort of work that way that making these great parks along the city's waterfront, even better for the next generation involves big projects sometimes unglamorous ones like paving a parking lot that go along with these other smaller projects or quicker projects or maybe more glamorous to keep using that term projects that really matter those go together that's that's how these parks happens is a combination but it doesn't all happen at once. So we'll get into phasing in a minute but that's just a note on these top themes and then if we go to the next, if we bite the bullet and say okay but what about the really expensive things what do people think about those projects how should those unfold. So we take away the cheap items that were all everybody's favorite. Boardwalks number one so again this idea, get to the waterfront view the lake have that experience. The promenades number two again reinforcing that message about activation and then parking lot partner building and operational buildings are three four and five. So that that leaning toward the the investments that add benefit for, you know, over benefit for parks and recreation users and Marina users are the ones that really matter here and it says a lot about what people love about this park. I don't go on too long here. I think it's, it's a word about sort of comprehensive thinking when we talk about a project like this that there is work that we don't see enabling work like dredging and making the, where you see the word peer extension, making that deeper and more navigable so it's not such a bottleneck vertical either soil investigations to make sure when we start digging there's no issues with soil contaminations and urban soils that could cause bigger problems surveys permitting. So that's one of that. And then, also thinking down the road. It's important for us to remember that to get there. We have to live through the disruption of services times we have to detour around Perkins and construction, and that it will be a phase projects of parts of these things will happen and then other parts will happen later. We go to the next. So, let's start thinking about phases or if it's easier kind of bundles of projects that we might think about breaking out as as individual endeavors here. The first one. We have to keep in mind with whatever scheme is the Greenway realignment. So if, as we go through this exercise, you know, the folks on the on the zoom tonight decide let's go with the the boardwalk and all the stuff in the water. When we do that, we have to make sure the Greenway gets reconnected to so this green way it's it's option zero because it kind of tags along with all the following options so let's keep that in mind it's about that seven full seven miles along the line, we got to keep it connected. So the first kind of chunk we could imagine is the sunset promenade it bundles together the things that were really high on folks list, the play area and the sunset lawn, and you can't do those without also doing the work and that did score high among those big expensive projects. So this is a very exciting transformative project. It would bring trees and shade it would upgrade play it would create, it would sort of elevate what people love to do here which is, you know, watch the lake watch the sunset over the mountains. But it's also got really important connectivity implications it's easier to get through the park easier to kind of get to the things you like with this improvement. So it's not just about kind of what we see on the surface it's also serving these other benefits as well, the shade being a big one. If we go to the next, another direction we might go instead of starting with what's shown in orange here would be to kind of tackle a lot of the water based projects so this is the idea of water for all a lot of the high scoring recreational elements were on the water the boardwalk, the floating wetlands, the boat, the kayak and canoe launch splash pad. And so the operations building is kind of the project that comes along with that the operations building would be up here. Yeah, thank you. That's where the Marina Park is all provided so if we're going to make all of these investments. We want to make sure there's eyes on the park, in terms of Marina staff there with offices and workspace and everything so this can be the, the new kind of one stop shop for getting out on the water. And last, you know this might not be the most exciting but I really tried to sell it earlier the idea that investing in this parking lot is really great for the park and for the city. We talked about the stormwater benefits, but also just reducing the footprint of the parking will open up more park space. And in terms of how that parking lot is, you know, paid for if people come and pay for spaces or if there's times when it's used paid and other times when it's free any opportunity to capture some value from that parking lot would really help to put money back into the park and back into public recreation in general. So the piece that tags along with that is the partner building just to the west of it. It's the parking and the partner building those two pieces really interlock. All right, now we can go forward thank you. So, pull time. In this one we want to hear of the blue, brown, or orange. In the implementation scenario do you think should come first. Just remembering that the green is just going to piggyback along with whichever one you choose because we got to connect. Oh, sorry, Kim, are you going to run the poll. Oh, Sophie. Let's run the poll. We was going to. We got there. So if you all know this as you're filling out the survey we, the host of the meeting can watch it happening in real time and it's, I'm on the edge of my seat. It's neck and neck. Give it another little bit. Okay. So we'll end it now and share the results. Thank you all. You got about 80% participants participation that time. I'm going rogue here re and just ending the poll sharing the results. So, you can see the waterfront for all among you all is the leader at 40% followed by sunset promenade. My plea for the parking lot was to no avail it didn't pull ahead it got about 18% of the vote, and then other ideas are working their way into the chat for about 10% of the vote. I'm not really a surprise to see water at the front. And it's really encouraging when we talk to constituents and through these public meetings time and time again people talk about Perkins pier not just as this great place to see the water, but a gateway to the community and just this very valuable amenity for the neighborhood and for the whole city so I'm encouraged to see that the water is really what matters here, getting to the edge and touching it and getting out there. So we're going to do some q amp a in a bit, but briefly I think we'll touch on next steps. Next. So re in and walked us all through this calendar before how we got here. Here we are on the right, the beginning of December public meeting number three. So like every time we've met with the city, this time, we'll come back to the drawing board and integrate the feedback we get tonight and in the q amp a that we're about to do and pull that together into a refined completed plan, which will be delivered to the city very soon. So that comes along with some of the cost information we've been sharing and a roadmap map for implementation so your feedback on cost implementation and the designer valuable. So, yes, we have economic impacts that will also be sharing with the city for the marina facilities that's just to say you know if we add five slips or we add mornings. What are the economic benefits to the city coffers from that. And yes we'll share the draft and final report. I think I already touched on this but the real reason to do this is to give a roadmap for a capital improvement plan. All right, so I think at this point we're ready to turn to the chat for a lively q amp a sessions I write read. I think on the next slide, we have the plan so we can walk through at least one question that I think has come up a few times which is to share a little bit more detail about the buildings and where those are located. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah so there's two buildings here, they're orange you see the one called operations team, and then there's one called public facility the operations team. The building is a place for the waterfront staff to have a home base on the waterfront. So we would have offices for the city staff that run the waterfront today, it would also have workspace, sorry, sort of shop space to pull in equipment work on it, get it out into that work yard just a little room to move around and work. And then there's these that how much work the waterfront crew gets done in some tight quarters so this is really a chance for them to, to kind of get the space they need to do this great work. So the building their operations is kind of this, you can think of it as sort of a back of house building. It might have a public facing desk, you know if you're going to come up and rent a slip or rent a season transient morning you might go there. But then in terms of public facing that public facility to the, to the West. That's where you would go as a park user to use a restroom, or as a Marina user, you know coming in off your boat and you want to use the restroom or maybe one time before you go out. It's also potentially where you'd have things like showers. Again, meeting the needs of those marini users. Very exciting possibility to also or this footprint would also allow for a potential partner to come into the park. Someone a nonprofit offering, you know benefits that make sense in a park so it could be around accessible sports it could be around something of that sort that, you know, a partner that would add value to the park and also be a good collaborator and activating the space and bring more people bring more people in. What's not super clear on this plan and it's again it's a citing study a master plan so it's sort of course, but part of that footprint is also an addition to boat storage. So a lot of space to store kayak stand up paddleboards canoes in what fashion I think is still, you know, to be discussed in the future is that a place where you can rent a spot to store your kayak or is it a kayak rental company that's renting them out to visitors to the park for a fee or is it some blend of the two. This is in that night. It often comes up so you're thinking about you know where's the storage going to happen. It's accounted for. Any other repeated questions, spatial questions I think we talked about the boat launch the existing boat launch quite a bit in the chat. So the gpr w floating dock today, there's a boat launch that goes down into the lake. The lake level fluctuates quite a bit so if you've dropped your boat in there recently, you've probably experienced going off the end of that concrete ramp and into the muck and then you got to pull your trailer out and it hops back up and it's not working well so that dock or sorry that ramp needs to be rebuilt, extended deeper into the water to function properly. So that last bit where you dip your boat in would work better the trouble is to operate a boat launch, you need a huge amount of turnaround space in the park to back in to come back out to get to your parking space for you and your trailer, and to do all of that without hitting other people that have trailers without causing safety issues with greenway users is very difficult. This was the moment, you know as we were discussing plans with the city that we pause to conduct the marina capacity study that ran touched on earlier. So, this recommendation to remove the boat launch really comes from a study about capacity throughout the whole harbor and so that study shows that with improvements to the coast guard launch, additional space for parking upgrades like that, that one boat launch in downtown Burlington is actually plenty for the amount of need. It will be a big change, but if we continue if the city continues to keep and preserve a boat ramp on this site. It really limits the way this parking get used. It means that this park has to have a large amount of paving large amount of road and a large amount of parking. In the long term, the city does not feel is in line with the, or the highest value for the waterfront or waterfront park. So, this removes that creates more workspace for the operations team with a floating dock where they can service boats and, and just have more flexibility with meeting customers needs. So, we could see that as a loss to people getting out on the water, but instead this plan really leans toward getting more people on the water through kayaks, canoes stand up paddleboards getting out on these docs so they can touch it, making it a truly accessible space where Burlingtonians and visitors connect to the lake, not just visitors that have boats, or have boats large enough to be trailer. I think that this change in the short term is obviously difficult and requires changes to habits and movement, but in the long term, it gets more people out on the water, and it makes for a better waterfront. There's a lot of comments, and I'm skimming through them, john or read to someone want to emcee them and, and sort of pick which ones we address. I can kick into that amen definitely. I think we've done a good job of addressing the building. There are a lot of questions about details that I think will be finalized when each of these elements goes through a detailed design process in preparation for construction so one thing to remember for participants is that a plan like this is really just a generalized layout of uses and there will be many details like bike parking, boat storage, etc that I think will be worked out as individual elements are developed into final designs and ready for construction. Next, the question about funding has come up. As we were mentioning, I think earlier. The plan here gives us a vision to move forward and also to put different elements into our capital planning and also our internal planning for some of the parts that can be implemented by our staff and crews. And in terms of in the short term we do have $45,000 set aside for the playground. And we'll need to look at that in terms of the plan itself but that is some funding that is allocated for this that purpose and within the next five years for Perkins. There are some comments coming in on both sides of the issue regarding the boat launch. One person said it'll be a hard adjustment the other thinks maybe that Perkins is busier than the Coast Guard lot in terms of trailer traffic on the weekends. I think we all knew this was going to be a sensitive issue but it did come across in our engagement. It's not just not the best use of the space at this location. Anyone want to expand on that thinking, I think a menu had touched on that a little bit in terms of how much pavement, we would have to devote to that to get the trailers to be able to turn around. It is quite a bit of space, yes. It's, it's. Well, I'll just, there's a question about related to this about. Will this be enough. If there's just one boat launch in downtown Burlington. And that is the subject of the Marina capacity study in. One of the many subjects of that study. And the answer from that is yes. And that downtown boat launches are actually quite rare in urban waterfronts and having to is a lot. You know, I don't think anybody on this call, especially, you know, knowing how beloved this park is wants to take away something that's of this high value, but it's, it's really that trade off that John touched on it's what we lose in this park by continuing to preserve something that is redundant to another launch. Again, we're talking about a long term vision here too. And that also helped tip the scales toward the sort of growth and change here in the long term future the way this part should be used should prioritize green space, better stormwater management, better operations, and less about turning around and parking in this location. And to that point I'd also like to address the comment or question about the one of the options we had shown earlier in the process that had the boat launch at the southern end of the site. Knowing that the wastewater treatment plant will likely expand into that section, it was seen as a large investment to make in something that would potentially most likely potentially go away. So, wanting to put investment in areas north of that area of expansion, rather than put it more into the, the part of Perkins clear that would need to accommodate wastewater treatment facilities in the future. In Carolyn's question about pushing wastewater to come up with a more innovative possible to story solution. You know, we've basically staked claim on the best parts of this parcel to preserve as park and we will continue to work with our colleagues at wastewater to be as efficient as possible. In terms of expansion. And, you know, we just we need space for both. I think the question come in on that subject about will it always be here. I guess the best answer to that is that wastewater is looking at expansion at this site so I think that tells us for now. In the foreseeable future they look at this site as the location of the primary wastewater facility for the city. Back office staff space it's actually two offices, small offices for the staff that are working on the tasks that we described working on the boats making sure people have their reservations that staff that needs to be here at the Marina so it's not a remote potential. That's being done in Waterfront Park and today in this park in the Perkins building that small building. Those are essential waterfront tasks being done so hence the need to do it on site. Also mentioned a little bit of history here. There used to be a staff office, and it was flooded out in the flood of 2011. There had been a presence and we'd really like to get back to activating Perkins pier. I think to add to that, just having staff on the site to increases the eyes on the park which I think is really important. Just in terms of activating the space, people feeling welcomed into our, our park and our Marina here. So I think that would also act as, as that kind of touch point when people arrive into Burlington and into our public pier. Another comment has come in about the sort of drive in sunset feeling that's definitely a preference that has come up from the public engagement. And while maybe we don't have as many of those spaces amen I think we did sort of look back at the plan and make sure that that is still a possibility. Yeah, we wanted to prioritize those the spaces, all the way to the left on the western edge of the parking lot running that way is great for pickup and drop off people dropping off kayaks and canoes you know short term parking to leave stuff but the parking to the interior of that is all north south of the line so it's not great for the views so, but that is much more clunger will much more changeable. So this can be revised to have more views to the water from a parked vehicle. William to the question about pine street at the main facility, being not too far of a drive for the sort of work that we're talking about. It's a lot it would be like asking a mechanic to work 15 minutes away from all their tools. So it's kind of all happens together it's workspace. It's not really about storage in that building. And then I think Carolyn has a good question about what will we do first. I think that's part of the reason why we had this meeting today is to understand all of your priorities. Amen. Do you remember which priority was the top one on the implementation front. On the implementation. Yeah, the waterfront improvements. Yep. So the idea that we have kind of multi use long area access directly to the water. So the idea of moving in kind of seating shade structure and that public boardwalk was the most popular option in this meeting. That's what we're going to put forward as part of the plan as the priority for this project but of course understanding that depending on grants that the city is able to get to other funding mechanisms that could change. And then we'll move on to an empty cafe being used for city offices on the other side of the tracks I'm not sure what that building would be. But given that it's not owned by the city. It's not really a practical option for us to go by real estate for those offices. I don't know if that person I think Bill wants to maybe indicate what building that might be. Or Bob sorry. Yeah, it's right there. Right across the railroad tracks, right there is a cafe that has been empty for years, and you could rent the space I think. It's a cross from 47 maple in the larger building that has maybe a marketing company in it is that right. But right where your hand is yes. Yeah, I definitely know that spot. There's not going to be a beach area. One of the questions asked about in some of the earlier plans the kind of edge of the water. We represented looking a little more sandy but I hope that, or I'm pretty faithful that in the long term the water quality will continue to improve in the lake but sort of irrespective of water quality. This is get this part of the shore gets wave action and it needs to be rugged and stone or strong built out of wood something like that. So not a sandwich. You see the comment please take out the splash pad. Splash pads are very popular public recreation amenities especially among younger folks I have little kids they love these things they can play in them all day. From a sustainability perspective they are designed to be recirculating systems that are highly water efficient they don't all need to be what you know the same kind that pumps out tons of water so sustainability has come a very long way in terms of the splash pad but it's really a big popular draw for this park. I would also just build and you do have another one at City Hall that's correct. I would just build on that to climb with climate change there's concerns obviously in the summer for people to cool down, especially children. And I know that City Hall parks not terribly far but if you have a gang of smaller children from a daycare or whatnot. So this is just looking at proximity of neighborhoods, etc that could benefit from that. And, although we'd all like the blue green algae to go away from the lake it, it's not going to in the short term, and acknowledging that our summers are getting warmer and that we need some options for everyone to enjoy some form of water and refreshment is one of the reasons why we're looking at a splash pad in this location. That's a big reason. That's great. Thank you for touching on the socio economic aspects and normal so in the chats chimed in which is is totally true it's also it's a different park and has other amenities so being able to come with your family and have some of your friends using the splash pad and others getting out on a stand up paddle board, you know that's a different mix than what you get at City Hall. So, they both can exist and serve different kind of user types different times of the day different times of the year. And there isn't a need for life guarding when it comes to splash pads so the safety is a bit different too. So I think it's important to keep that in mind as well in terms of equity and accessibility. There's more questions about the splash pad. I think we're starting to get into the realm of details that aren't going to be known until down the road but just understand that when we say splash pad everybody gets an image in their head that's a little different and it's quite extravagant and rubber paving and huge arms that spray water or they might be more like what's at City Hall Plaza or they might be very minimal. All those are possible but their cost and the ways that they're cleaned and those sorts of things are so variable it doesn't do anyone a service to get into too many of those details now but just know that as as a team very concerned about sustainability and environmental sustainability but also that this water feature doesn't break or turn dirty in one year. Just know that these water features can be designed to do all of that they really are quite modern in their, their construction. So we feel we're not addressed. If anyone wants to add them to the chat, we'd love to answer them now while everybody's still here. Well if anyone thinks of additional questions the coming days or later tonight just send us an email or jump on our project page will have the slides from this evening and the recording from this evening posted by the end of the week. So if you know anyone that wasn't able to join us tonight please feel free to share that link with them. I'll put it, or someone will put in the chat and someone shared my email address so that's helpful thank you re. And if there's nothing else we'll end the meeting tonight. And again we really appreciate everybody taking the time to visit with us and view the plan. And hopefully you'll join us with in our future planning for other parks as well as the next steps that we'll be taking at Perkins as well as Calhoun and other projects in the coming year. Thanks again everybody. Take care.