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He mentioned talking to me about a thing. He asked me once we're done with recording Damn Fine podcast today. Can I talk to you about a thing? And I said, sure. I like things. Talk to me about a thing. And I said, man, you really need to talk to Tom about that thing. Oh, really? I'm gonna do Damn Fine podcast. I'll talk to him after that. I think he was already planning on doing it. So I'll just. And then there was a guy I know who's looking for a guy who does things that Ron does. And I said, well, I'll talk to Ron about those things. So this would be so much to talk about. A lot of things, man. A lot of things. W. Scottish One did have a tab open. Look at that. I diagnosed it. Diagnosis tab. So many things. Speaking of things, I should make this a regular thing. When we start the pre show is to double check the feed Lee. Mark Zuckerberg is showing off a prototype of Oculus VR gloves. New way to interact with the Oculus Rift headset. Posted photos from a visit to the Facebook research lab in Redmond, Washington. They have a VR research lab in Redmond. I didn't know that. I will say this, man. Facebook all in on video right now that new rebuild of their mobile app that basically like does everything but put toothpicks in your eyes to watch live video. Like doesn't quite reach out and grab you and go watch this right now. Yeah, it is. There's like I could start a blog that was only based on responsible use of notification numbers next to tabs because in an era of ever expanding tab usage, I feel like Facebook making live video a thing where there is an OCD number that now I have to click to make sure that it goes away so I can have a clean bottom thing. It's on the borderline. I'll tell you what, if I don't find it useful, I don't find it useful now. I don't find it useful soon, man. It will have to go in the phantom zone of crimes against notifications, including Twitter moments and Google Plus notifications at the top of all Google services. You should call it notificationning. Ah, notification. You shun people for their misuse. Are you writing that down? Good. No, everyone's delighting in the fact that I said clean bottom thing. Well, yes, we all should. I think we're ready. Yeah, what? You guys don't. You filthy animals. Are you back? You're good. Justin, you're good. Ready to roll, son. Ready check. Here we go. Quality content thrives for the support of those who benefit from its creation. If you gain value from the Daily Tech News Show, consider joining others like me who provide support. Learn how to help at DailyTechNewsShow.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, February 9th, 2017. I'm Tom Merritt, Justin Robert Young, alongside part of the team that spends hundreds of hours a week reading tech news so you don't have to. And we give you the summary to make you smarter. Although you should also watch and listen to Make Me Smart with Molly Wood and Kyra Zell. Hey Justin, how's it going? Oh, come on, man. They don't plug our show. We don't get to plug their show. They're both great. Kyra Zell's amazing. Molly Wood is, of course, I just realized as soon as I said Make Me Smart that I'm like, oh, I'm ripping off their show name. Great. No. And of course, Jenny Josephson, of course, a core member of this. Absolutely. Working there. But how about this? We focus on our own house, huh? Yeah. Daily Tech News Show. We got a hell of a show for everybody today. We have got a fan mail Thursday, a thrilling Thursday of your thoughts, your thoughts Thursday. And we've got a little state of the US mobile networks, the fight between T-Mobile and Verizon. We've got some Gartner thoughts and our own thoughts on the future of delivery by drone, or as I like to call them, unmanned aerial vehicles to distinguish them from other kinds of drones. But let's start with our top stories. And it starts with Twitter. Twitter. Twitter, Twitter, Twitter. Twitter announced its monthly active users grew 4% in Q4, 319 million, close to what people expected. They had a total increase over the course of the year of 14 million users. You could decide if that sounds big to you or not. Revenue rose 1% in the quarter to 717.2 million, missing expectations of 740.1 million, marking the slowest revenue growth that Twitter has experienced since it's gone public. Twitter technically lost $167.1 million or 23 cents a share due to restructuring costs. But if you exclude items, Twitter earned 16 cents a share and the street had expect that adjusted earnings to be 12 cents a share, so they did better than expected. However, advertising sales were down. Twitter executives on their earnings call pointed out that, hey, don't look at monthly active users. That's for suckers. Snapchat didn't even report monthly active users in its IPO filing. Daily active users. That's the hotness. And our daily active users grew 11% in Q4, the fastest growth rate in the past four quarters. What are months made out of? Months, as the song says, are made out of days, Justin. Yeah, okay. That's weird that one number shows one thing, another number shows another thing. Well, essentially what this means, if it's bothering you, is that they can get that many more people coming every month, but in the people that came every month, they came back more often during the month. Indeed. And they also pointed out that it is about ever shifting and improving product changes that is leading such growth and certainly not the president of the United States, which for whomever in your opinion might lean, certainly active on the platform, which many had speculated. Tom, where do you start, Justin? Where do we go? Where do we go? I mean, it's a story you have to keep tabs on. Sure. It does not exactly tell us a lot. More muddy to kind of looks bad. If you squint hard, maybe it looks a little good. I mean, that's the thing, right? It's not disastrous. Revenue going in the right place, but for every positive, there's a negative. Oh, but ad sales were a little awful. Maybe that'll bounce back. Monthly active users, not really growing that well, but the people they've got are using it more, so that's a higher engagement. Maybe it's a higher quality audience, even if it is smaller. I mean, there's so many you can bounce back and forth all day long. And what that says to me, as somebody who's been watching this sorts of things for a while now, is this is a company who is changing how they do things and it is impossible to tell at this point if those things are working. When you change what you do, the signals get all mixed up for a short period of time, and then they all start to point in a particular direction. And you can't tell right now which direction that's going to point. All right. You want to know what? I got to get some side action on this or else all these stories for the rest of eternity are just going to drive me up a wall. Yeah. I'm just going to ask you this question at every Twitter story. Will Twitter sell by the end of 2017? No, because Dorsey will do everything. Okay. Put it this way, unless they oust Dorsey. They get Dorsey out the door, which by the way, he says he's going to stay on it square. So he's hedging his own bets there, right? As long as Dorsey's in that chair, he is going to do everything he can to make sure they don't sell. Well, then I'm officially offering in the era of Twitter watch. Hashtag Twitter watch. We will keep an eye because again, this is the kind of stuff that happens before change, right? There's a very, very famous company. A lot of eyes are on it. It is, it has the burden of being where literally the entire immediate chattering class decides to spend their off hours as well as pedal their profession. So we will always have our eye on Twitter. I'm very, very curious. So there we go. Dorsey's laughing at me right now going, you're totally wrong. I'm cleaning this company up for a better sale than we could have got. Now that I say that out loud, that makes a lot of more sense, which is he resisted the sale because he's like, no, no, we can't get enough for it yet. Let's refurbish this place. Let's put in some new countertops. Let's let's get you locked in. No, you've locked in. No, are you switching to yes? No, I'm still, I'm going to stay and no, I'm going to stay and no because that's my gut feeling. But I'm no longer pinning it on, on, on Jack now that I'm thinking about it. Well, I still, I, my guts for many reasons just says they're not going to sell because I don't think anybody will buy them. Somebody, somebody will buy them. I mean, they're Twitter. That's a good thing to have. Is there someone to watch over Twitter? Someone they're longing to see. Moving from old and busted to the new hotness in an update to its S1 IPO paperwork. Snap Inc. That's Snapchat for those of you who aren't keeping track. Disclosed. It has a five year, one billion dollar deal with Amazon for cloud services. It's initial filing disclosed in a two billion, it's initial filing rather disclosed a two billion dollar cloud deal with Google. Snap also wrote that it quote may invest in building our own infrastructure to better serve our customers and quote Google is still the primary host for snap services. So this, I remember I threw a little shade at the filing when they said Google was their only cloud services or when it appeared that way and said well that's going to stop them from moving into China. But what this says is snap is doing what you would normally do is they're adding to their filings to address possible investor concerns. They also added something that said their their female director does not make less money than the male directors. So they're addressing some things that they're noticing or hearing about and this is them saying hey we do have a lot of eggs in the Google basket but they're not all in the Google basket. We kept a couple eggs out for Amazon and that gives us more flexibility. And this is part of this process right you go on it's like the road show you show your slideshow people ask you questions you continue to add and add and add until the one big day where you find out just how well you have indeed run your medicine show. Yeah and these basically all the things that I'm seeing snap at are positive things as you would expect them to they're not going to try on purpose unless they have to add anything negative but but yeah it looks like a a a fairly polished IPO. They're not going to add to their S1 you know Jack Dorsey has incurred a hex from an old seahawk now only regurgitates bile like there's there's not gonna be anything like that. Yeah our our our building in Venice will soon be swept out to sea and we'll incur significant roading shores infrastructure costs. Yeah Google has begun sending notices developers around the world warning that their apps could be hidden or even removed from the Google Play Store for violating user data policy. Now most of the devs seem to be realizing that they're targeted for not having a privacy policy that's a pretty easy fix and developers have until March 15th to address the violations so Justin it looks like what Google's doing is a big cleanup saying let's go after some of those zombie apps some of those fly-by-night apps that wouldn't want to have a privacy policy or or the you know in a lot of cases just don't have anyone paying attention and we can sweep them out because they don't reply to this plus it officially does get these apps to have a privacy policy that you can point to. You want to know what that's a great point because I hadn't really thought of the idea that maybe this is kind of just the technicality to see whether or not they can just blanket sort of eliminate a bunch of craft that is literally just taking up you know I'm sure that there's probably even a dollar amount that you can put on every search that just has to index that many more apps that literally are never downloaded and if not are potentially harmful to the user base which harms the reputation of Android. Causes someone not to download an app because they see all these things they're like I don't know what any of this stuff is forget it I'm just not going to get one. Yeah so that is interesting yeah I mean the the idea that this is maybe like just getting it on tax evasion. You're like all right everyone who's alive say aye. Yeah it's like making people confirm their subscription to a newsletter it's a little bit like a speed trap like we're just you know we're going to enforce something that we haven't been that strict about before but now we're going to because we want to achieve a particular end. This reminded me of a speed ticket I got in Bakersfield. Ah knowing. Coming down a hill too they gun me while I was down a hill. Yeah that should be illegal. Smart no it's smart like you know people are going to be more likely to speed when they're coming down a hill that's what you put your speed trap it's a good placement. I'm disgusted that you've taken their side. You should walk the streets. You should walk the streets of Bakersfield as they say. The MBA and take two interactive announce plans Thursday to create a professional video game league. NBA franchises will be able to form and manage teams to compete playing the NBA 2k video game. Each NBA franchise will pick five to play as its elite team. They will draw salaries trained and essentially treat the NBA 2k elite as full-time jobs during the season. NBA Commissioner Adam Silver expects about half of the teams to participate in the first year which with all 30 teams eventually joining. Of course Tom this comes on the heels of Blizzard announcing that they are going to run their own regionally based Overwatch League again taking a similar idea that you should be rooting for your hometown version of an e-sports team which is not something that we have seen in the past. What do you think about this. I think this is amazing. So Overwatch says let's create team franchises. Regional team franchises for a video game. The Philadelphia 76ers went and invested in Team Dignitas. That's a professional sports franchise buying an e-sports franchise. This is both. This is the NBA saying let's just create a shadow league. It'll be eventually. They want to do the league. They're looking at a five month season in 2018. They're not sure they can get all 30 teams on board right away but eventually they say all 30 teams would like to be on board and then we will have the NBA playing as a virtual league with professional e-sports players. It's not going to be the players of the NBA playing this. These are e-sports professionals that will be playing the game five on five. So anybody doesn't matter how tall you are doesn't matter who you are or anything as long as you're good at the game you can play and the characters will be avatars customized by the e-sports players. So it's not going to be like oh well you know that's that that's Axelrod the the e-sports professional but he's playing LeBron no it'll be that guy it'll be firebat or whoever playing the actual avatar that he created. Now you brought up a good question we were talking about this before the show which is what about the attributes of those players. They didn't shed any light on how you know how tall the player can be in the game what their skills can be etc. Yeah who knows if there's going to be a physical attributions cap in the same way that you would have a salary cap which kind of polices that in the real world to say yeah you can't just buy all the best talent right you know that there is a financial element to it and to be curious to see exactly how they do that as well as how they bring in the talent. This seems like one of those stories that either by the end of this year we are going to be talking about the burgeoning possible success both with overwatch and whatever germinating elements of this league we see or man this was a moment in time that was before when people wanted to interact with eSports. I think that eSports is about to get its close up because the NBA getting involved in this. This is not the first time that they have started a league to capitalize on previous trends. The WNBA exists of course in the in the grand idea of bringing more women into professional sports it obviously obviously created a fantastic stage but don't get it twisted it was also there to make sure that they sold popcorn and beers during the summer when the NBA was not playing. This is going to be an example of them being able to extend licensing rights for you know sprite and movies and stuff like that now they can also say also buy ad spots on our eSports league as well as possibly I mean you know they just take a look at some of these league legends and CSGO tournaments especially by the end they they do pretty pretty well in the same way that you if you were a owner of an arena as many of these franchise owners are maybe you put it in there you know maybe another big event that you can do. They're saying that the players don't have to travel that they can they can play remotely but that doesn't mean that you know the eBucks or the or the eJazz wouldn't open up the arena to let people come and enjoy the game like they would except up on the Jumbotron right like yeah or play it before or after you know there's there's there's certainly a way that you can do that as as well it's going to be interesting to see I think that this is a a I'm fascinated by these leagues because the idea of taking it regional very much puts a little bit of a heat lamp on things that you would not normally expect because now you have to worry about local advertisements that's a whole different game than just finding anybody else who wants to sponsor something because they like the property you you understand how popular league of legends is so let's just buy you know the sponsor team or something like that because they are playing it now there's a little bit more of a big boy set of problems but the NBA is very good at it so we'll see how they do. Yeah I mean are you are you going to get your friend in the diamond business to drop a little money on the broadcast of of the local e-warriors game I mean it's it's there's somebody fascinating things about this and by the way I keep calling them e whatever because that's what Alan Adam Silver called it when he talked to ESPN he said instead of the Milwaukee Bucks it'll be the e-bucks and I'm like really you should just go to the Milwaukee Bucks. Yeah Adam Silver you know Adam Silver a we're going to get a little sports talk radio certainly been somebody that has been moving in a very progressive direction for the NBA openly called for a gambling to be legalized and and to get out of the black market on stuff like that that has been verboten in professional sports in general and basketball specifically this is another step forward but for the love of jahosa fat please do not use the e-prefix come on Adam. Yeah meanwhile Gartner research says delivery by quadcopter and other unmanned aerial vehicles will be and I quote mired in logistical issues and make up less than one percent of the commercial drone market by 2020 so when you see those Super Bowl ads promising you a drone delivery it's not coming anytime soon Gartner also says it is unclear what the return on investment with such systems will be that that all has to be worked out these are complex and expensive systems they say initial adoption will probably happen between businesses or even within a business which has multiple campuses and just needs to move things around between them internal services where the logistics are not as complex one example is zipline which delivers medical supplies to health clinics in Irwanda by UAV and has been doing so successfully for a while now they announced in January that zipline will expand its operations to Tanzania early this year and provide a similar service out of Dar es Salaam so anyway it's happening but it's happening in these niche situations and it's not going to make up the majority of UAV sales UAV sales are going to do well Gartner predicts 2.9 million UAVs will be produced in 2017 that'll be up 39 percent in their estimation for an expected global revenue of six billion but of those 2.9 million 2.8 million are going to consumers who just want to use them for fun stuff you know I almost wonder how much of a analysis like this is also tracking supply line that you know if Amazon so let's say again and I don't want to be flipping about this because I know that by all objective measurements it seems like Amazon is working as fast and as hard as they can to make drone delivery a part of your prime subscription however it also in the meantime has been a way to get Amazon and Amazon Prime in the news about once or twice a year with a fawning magazine article or some kind of 60 minutes piece because it is a big sexy Jetsonsie the future is here kind of story it's not surprising to me that we have seen this on a very small scale in places where regulation is just in a different place than than we are right now in the United States but for Gartner to say it's not going to take off in 2020 I almost wonder if there's a bit of a chicken and egg thing of like well Amazon's got to get approval to do this on a large scale even if just in cities and regions before you produce the amount of of drones that they would need because the difference between a recreational market and a fleet market is massive you know that this is this is not even this is apples and oranges and what Gartner's saying is that they're betting on or projecting that this will still be a recreational market in three years and not a market where people are just getting these spec drones off the line as fast as possible because Amazon needs to buy 20,000 of them I have no doubt that Amazon is serious I know they're doing an actual test in the UK that has two customers but is an actual delivery by UAV but if you look at the people like zipline or the swiss postal service that are actually doing this in practice in in larger amounts they are all enterprise level they are all government level Irwanda is very progressive in encouraging innovation and technology so it's no surprise that that would be a place where something like this would catch on I think that that's where you want to look if you want to see this growth yeah Amazon may eventually just because of their size bully their way into this market but a lot of other folks are going to get this going because they don't need to be the size of Amazon and they don't need to have a big splash in the press to make this pay off for them and they don't have to operate in the United States where the restrictions that the FAA have put on these are more rigorous so I think you're going to see by 2020 and I'm not even disputing Gartner here a lot of small niche operations around the world that are proving how to do this and I guess the the second mover advantage would be to be that company who hires people or learns from all of these smaller operations or even acquires a bunch of them and beats Amazon to the punch because of all that expertise that's being developed well but but ultimately Amazon's relationship with these UAVs is kind of the same as Ubers relationship with self-driving cars they're going to be the tip of the spear in terms of regulation no matter what because what they are looking to do is move it in a very large direction in a way that nobody else really is and and that's not to knock anybody else it's just to say that there's they got a lot of money and effort tied into doing it and it gets them a lot of attention so when they when they actually start doing it at the scale that the other people already are then I'll give them more credit for it and I think they will sassy open signal issue did say to the mobile networks USA report on Wednesday open signal collects data from 170,000 app users who gather speed latency and availability data from real-world use here's the headline though Verizon held on to its leading availability at 88.17% to number two T-Mobile at 86.6 Verizon caught T-Mobile to tie in download service or in download speeds from at 14 megabits megabytes rather of Verizon had better latency however on 3G service T-Mobile was tops in speed and latency AT&T was third across the board with Sprint in last open signal also broke down leaders in speed and availability by region as well just go ahead and read some of those those positive T-Mobile attributes in John Legeur F-bomb speak and you can imagine the next time that the pink-suited Wunderkind will be up on stage everybody loves an underdog so your headlines out there folks are going to be saying T-Mobile catches Verizon because T-Mobile has almost equaled Verizon 88.17 to 88.6 is very close in coverage and that's been Verizon's big stick to wave over T-Mobile you don't have the coverage that we do you can't get a signal where you can get Verizon signal however T-Mobile used to be the faster one and Verizon caught them so this isn't just a tale of T-Mobile unseating Verizon this is a tale of T-Mobile has passed AT&T as being the one to compete on quality it used to be Verizon and AT&T and I think that's the part of the story that got left out here is AT&T is third everywhere like not everywhere regionally you should go look at the regional availability for your region because AT&T may be the best in your region but Verizon and T-Mobile are the front runners in performance right now uh well you know and and let's let's also tip our hat to the larger narrative uh and as much as we like to joke about John Laguerre and some of his salty language they have been a tremendous success story this was a company that was all but sold to AT&T not but a few years right and and now look at them now they've stepped up in so many ways they've become a consumer friendly a mobile provider something that I think was greatly needed in the industry leading up to their resurgence and this will continue easily the grossest twitter war in history which erupted over Super Bowl Sunday when T-Mobile's one of the 90 different T-Mobile ads that they decided to run during the big game included Kristen Schall in a 50 shades of gray BDSM scenario if you don't know how Verizon responded consider yourself lucky but uh uh you know for those of you who are indeed curious look it up and try to hold your lunch dad yeah uh it it was not pretty it was not nice but you know what that's the number one of the number two do and AT&T is doing well I mean they were very close in all of these categories so when I say their third it's just that hey these guys used to be number one or number two and number they're now number three across the board Sprint is the one that's like wow they didn't even get to 80% coverage the only one of the big four that didn't they they are way off the pace and speed 14 megabits per second for T-Mobile and Verizon close to 14 for AT&T and it's 7. something for Sprint it just does not look good for Sprint's network here which is funny because they're still the leader in selling the MVNOs right yeah well T-Mobile has a lot of that too that is a very good question if they are still the leading provider that was their big advantage for the long time was being the wholesale provider you're right yeah as for AT&T hey listen I don't care how saggy those ratings get as long as I have my grandfathered in all you can eat plan then I'll be I'll be homeboy on the Titanic playing the violin it was an odd playing with all of you well and then that's a really good point because this is a story that you can only make sense of in the in the 10,000 foot perspective to say like okay generally people are going to have this experience so these companies are likely to do better because man I look at the region for LA and it says Verizon Verizon is the best in LA but over here where I live there are places where I could not use my phone on Verizon it just was dead in Marina del Rey at a particular restaurant I like to go to and T-Mobile is fine there so it really it's not even just the regions but the the micro situations that you find yourself in Molly would mention yesterday that she was on T-Mobile and and then she started traveling to her family's place and she couldn't get reception there and she had to switch to Verizon because she could at least get reception and when she traveled as well as at home that there should be a like just a little service just sends you a little dongle you just keep in your pocket for like a week tell you exactly where you go and and and what what what you need break everything down there for you that's what OpenSignals app is for is to is to be able to tell you like oh if you're here this is this is the best service for you you want to know what the big shout out to OpenSignals yeah definitely hey thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and if you want to get all the tech headlines every day in less than 10 minutes subscribe right now do it to dailytechheadlides.com all right fan mail Thursday your thoughts Thursday sometime we'll come up with a particular name for this type of show when we do it on Thursday well what do we got first Justin first one comes in from Pony hi gents concerning your discussion that the government requiring faxing for FOIA request most likely the fax isn't a traditional fax machine but it is an e-fax set up in an email form where the only people able to access the email must have been given the password and had it set up within their email outlook the government has instituted e-fax to reduce its imprint of fax machine fax machines and to cut costs all right fair point it doesn't explain why they got rid of email because if they're using email for faxes then that would seem to imply that they could handle data coming in by email but that isn't something I had thought of so thank you Pony for for sending that did you hear about that for the FOIA change they basically they changed it to a web form instead of email yeah yeah I mean as somebody who has filed a FOIA request it is always annoying it is that's just part of it so if now the incantation says it's half an eye of a newt instead of you know in hairs of a virgin then that's fine Michael from Mississippi writes heard you mentioned in the show you had to use a dumb switch to turn off a smart home light at your place I had a similar situation in my garage that I got annoyed having to use my phone to switch it on and off I have connected I have side lights connected to my wink hub if you haven't always on Windows PC or server stashed anywhere and your lights support if you can use the app below to use cheap amazon dash buttons as smart switches go to dash run runner app dot com dash runner app dot com I used it and scored a lot of dash buttons cheap on ebay and now have various smart buttons all over the house I think there are similar apps for other os's as well I love this at first I was like yeah but the problem is the physical switch versus the smart switch this gets rid of it and says like just because here's what happens right if I turn off the physical switch that turns off the power to the smart bulb and the app won't work yeah so I can't use the physical switch anymore I have to use the app and he's like just replace it with a dash button and then it's a physical button and it's cheaper than going and buying one of these these other smart switches I'll tell you what man that this is this is such an amazing world that we live in like I but now that we have all of our lights in our little apartment stitched up to our our amazon and we have another we're currently in the hue light ecosystem right we've got a little smart dumb switch where we can have three pre-programmed settings for the living room we hit the whole thing at once and it turns them all off like brave new world and then Allison Sheridan had another angle on this she said I had to laugh when you Scott and Molly all said you saw no compelling reason to wear a smart watch and then the very next story you and Molly talked about having to walk over to get your phone to turn off your smart bulb I raised my wrist and tell Siri to turn off the lights she doesn't do it half the time of course but still I don't have to watch this Steve you got your watch on you can use that so fair enough you know I'll tell you what if this thing thing was just a little bit faster I would use it a million times more I'm thinking about getting the new one now I don't know Alan writes my password manager of choice is key pass of which I am a big fan I think that you are doing it a disservice by saying that you have to create your own password manager service to use it it's basically just an encrypted file so you don't have to manage access to that one file you can use file sync on any of the cloud services to do this I use Google Drive but I still sing manually to my devices I also tend to only update the database from my home computers so in that sense I only have to do a little bit of management but if you relied on automatic syncing and normal cloud services you could update it from any device and Matthew Green not the crypto guy in he says in Reno, Nevada adds I use Dropbox for that and it works quite well yes key pass does require an extra step but I feel it's worth it I knew when I said key pass requireable management that the key pass fans would come out of the woodwork and I have to say I am pleased to say that Alan and Matthew are representative of the fact that while they did come out of the woodwork to defend their favorite piece of software they did so very politely and with the best of intentions and I appreciate that what I was trying to say is last pass takes all of the management on itself and if you're lazy or you just don't want to deal with it that's all on yourself but they're right to point out like it's not like running your own server you don't necessarily have to do it that way I'll tell you what that is unlike last week when you told everybody who took offense to me saying that the world of tech and specifically tech coverage is better when Apple is a very good company to email me about how much they hated Apple to which I got several some of them very very colorful I should use my powers for good I apologize I'm using one from lovable Scamp Tony Wang over there but no actually they were all they were all great and super playful Todd from not as snowy as expected Rochester, New York said without going through my background suffice to say that the people on the IEEE IETF committee are my peers so I feel somewhat justified in saying that people like myself have no business defining such a clearly marketing oriented term like any number G 1G, 2G, 3G, 4G, 5G there are other technical terms to describe the technologies involved so the only value if in fact there is any is to the consumer if one is going to use a one up counter followed by a letter to convince a customer that their product is better than someone else's higher bandwidth is going to be the obvious metric with 3G we had data rates mainly in the one to two megabit per second range the bump from 2G to 3G and let's not forget the fiasco of 2.75G and 2.95G which some carriers used to show how much closer to 3G they were was a two to three times bump in speed the bump in speed to HSPA plus was more like 10 times and the speeds I saw at the time with the T-Mobile hotspot still rank among the highest speeds I have seen with any LTE phone on any carrier's network so I never had any issue with T-Mobile referring to it as 4G if anything their made up definition of a meaningless term was far simpler and reasonable than the standard's body's made up definition the issue going forward is exactly the one Tom pointed out 5G is not faster but instead better in other ways really they should drop the G's at this point and just describe the average speed latency and reliability of their networks so you're saying Tom that it's nothing but a G thing stuff about a G thing that's exactly what Todd's saying he wants to just go to 0G or OG as you might call it all right so this is a great this is a very very very illuminating email that the IEEE should stay out of this very very you know again marketing oriented a thing and just say hey look this is about clarifying for anybody who wants to look further into these claims exactly what they mean and there is a technical reason Todd is assuming you already heard that when I talked about it yesterday the technical reason is this is a non backwards technology that's the generation the fifth generation of mobile services is not backwards compatible with the fourth generation so that's all LTE stuff that interoperates if you're using LTE advanced it's backward compatible with the first generation of LTE so that's a generation of services there is a technical reason for that but I think what Todd's pointing out rightly is is that really useful like sure that's probably useful in white papers when you're talking about a particular generation but once you start making logos for it to to use you know to separate it then it's starting to be used as a press term as a marketing term and in that case I think he's right although describing average speed latency and reliability of networks is not as easy as saying two letters so I get that hey Tom and Roger writes Jason from New York City on today's episode Molly spoke out about how gross the VR headsets at E3 will be now that the show was open to the public oh the dirty plebs says Molly I'm happy to hear somebody I wrote that editorially that wasn't Jason sorry Molly I'm happy to hear somebody speak out about this ick factor in VR my gym recently installed HTC Vive headsets alongside several rowing machines while the concept of working out in a full virtual outer space seems really cool I haven't been able to bring myself to strap this headset that has been sweated on by the masses onto my face likewise I've yet to see anyone else using them the industry needs to find a solution for easily swappable or disposable seals and straps before the public applications can take hold with the massive I'm just saying holding my hand for anybody who is watching us here on YouTube these are velcro the seals so you can just have a bunch there to replace it is a cost so that is something that is thought of when it comes to public use Vive machines as for the straps you could probably you know stand to maybe coat them and maybe have disposable plastic elements to it or make people wear hair nets or something like that so you don't get it totally sweated on but I don't think that as is it is an unsolvable problem with the gen one Vive the only the only way I can go to bring another angle on this is to say that which does not kill us makes us stronger don't be afraid you know or invent a fact like sweat is actually cleaner than most drinking water which I don't think is true but the one thing I will say is you know I was at packs out there were a couple different VR demonstrations that were on elliptical machines I think it's a very cool idea the bigger problem that I would see with with exercise based VR is that I don't think that that headset is durable enough for you to be really tumping up and down I just realized and this is side note to your point which is a very good one about the durability what are the Japanese doing with this they they they always fix the hygiene problem first we just look to what arcades in Japan are doing with VR headsets is it is it some kind of plastic wrap around it that you put on every time you put it put it around there has to they have to have already solved this get to the arcades get to the arcades dispatch if you are in Tokyo right now head to your local arcade and tell us what's happening with those VR machines and then we got an email said based on your conversation last Friday about bots and why companies don't seem to be using them as much we were talking about the dominoes ordering bot and we were wondering like why aren't we seeing more of these faster this person says I am a contract developer with a fortune 500 company whose primary business comes from their website and customers use their site for the past six months I have brought up writing a couple of POVs how chatbots could be particularly useful to their business it was not until after CES this year that some of the management read chatbots in the news that I was approached again about hey what was that thing you were talking about he says I'm not making that up after a couple of weeks of further trying to explain and showing bots from other companies most of the tech managers still didn't understand what it was I have had to build a prototype using their own content for it to make sense to a few of the managers and now I am sure that it will probably be another month before we have to show the demo and go through the same conversations as it goes up the chain so to answer the question as to why there's a lack of chatbots it's that the executives in most non-tech and even tech companies don't understand what they are and how they can be used for their business so what she's saying is they just don't get it yet they haven't used them they don't understand them and so when you talked about it they just it's they're like that sounds like something I don't understand I don't want it the problem with chatbots is that they are supposed to be the easiest possible way for you to interact with a company right because it is passive communication you're supposed to be already there chatting about something else it's not necessarily a destination of where you should yeah it should be me and you chatting and saying hey who wants pizza and then us talking to dominoes hey dominoes order a pizza right but I don't think a the bots are where they need to be b that the idea of a one touch experience or a super simple passive experience is reserved at least for my buying habits to only the companies that I deal with on the most regular of bases and have proven themselves to be technologically worthy of such a feat so I can minimize making a mistake at some point in a highly automated process and at this point that's really only amazon and so now we're in this mushy middle you have what is probably if I committed to only interacting with dominoes via a chatbot I'd probably have an okay time but I don't have a reason and I'm never in a chatting situation where I'm thinking oh cool now I can just use this chatbot instead of double tapping on my phone and searching for the app and because of that there is no chatbot experience out there that the majority people have and so these executives are more resistant and and so they're like well I don't know and so the places where it might be a huge benefit aren't developing it yet because it hasn't caught on this is this is actually a typical part of some kinds of innovation and it's one of the reasons why permissionless innovation on the internet has sped things up so much is that you didn't have to wait for someone to get a Facebook account and then get access to the api and then be allowed in to go develop you just did it you just made IRC as long as you knew how to program you made it and that got passed a lot of these gates that you have to go through because people like well until I see someone else doing it I don't want to take the risk to do it and so you when you when you open it up so as many people as possible to innovate and do it then you have more chances of somebody doing it that you can point to and and so we had to wait for something like dominoes to come along and as you very eloquently pointed out it's maybe not the best example of that well I think it's also I know I when I'm making that decision as to what what way to order be it from my Amazon device or my watch or via chat bot as dominoes made very very clear in national advertising you could order it anyway twitter you could just send at dominoes a pizza emoji and it would send your thing I just don't want to go do a thing and then only have it hit me back oh your credit card's not up to date please log into the website you know there's just you know or or with the bot with the messenger bot you had to pay cash oh yeah cash there you go what are you doing well thank you Justin Robert Young for being on the show as always what do you got to tell folks about this week oh how about you go ahead and subscribe to the politics politics politics podcast we were back after taking a week off the good news is that the rock never stops in the world of politics these days so we had plenty to talk about including how you can better keep saying in this ever-changing world specifically 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Spagnola did too Don Cheeto it's like that's pretty cool like it's Cheeto's named after an actual person um ain't nothing but a G thing maybe maybe keep a dongle in your pocket keep a dongle in your pocket sounds like a a problem ask the Japanese yeah it's a it's a philox song there's also Fred has something said what would Shibuya do oh what would Shibuya do I get it you know it's funny when I was in Japan I went to the the the hundred yen shop which is based on their dollar store and they had a when you were saying about the whole like thing about hygiene they have these toilet seat cozies or covers you just slide it's like a sock you slide it over the toilet seat hygienic and warm to the toilet yeah yeah no I know what you're talking about I saw those too Biorre VR poor strips bring your own straps oh bring b y o b y o yes got it yeah what are months made out of is winning yeah I'm just looking over these titles Don Cheeto hashtag Twitter watch Twitter watch I'm excited for Twitter watch quiet I can go hashtag Twitter watch or what are months made out of just because I literally like any anytime that we can game any time that there's like can be a game around a story that's like kind of just the same story all the time like if we can make our own fun about it it's just always better so that's like you call you called it what like a side bet yeah just some side action just side action that's what you said something you know it's like like the patent wars thing it's like yeah the those that was the greatest example of boring as paint drying stories that ultimately really kind of said everything about the worst of silicon valley you know that were made if even just incrementally more fun yeah because we could we could classify it as a war right yeah I actually tried to diagram the territory and the allies at one point I have a legal pet somewhere with like Nokia Apple Microsoft back when Nokia was a player in the patent wars oh look at that now they're mostly a patent holding company and a networking company hopefully do you see the marlins apparently handshake deal to sell the team Jeffrey Lauria one of the notoriously worst owners in sports might indeed be out of major league baseball what who is it are they going to keep them Miami I mean I certainly oh my god if they left Miami after building that that glass mausoleum of a stadium and you know downtown that would be that would be the final they would deserve it the city of Miami would actually deserve it if they built that gigantic monstrosity and then I guess they probably can't leave there's probably I highly doubt they could however if you thought that Jeffrey Lauria leaving might maybe take a little bit of controversy out of it then plug your ears because apparently the person that is has that handshake agreement to purchase the marlins is Charles Kushner the father of Jared Kushner oh wow what yeah so wait George Bush never took back the the the Rangers did he know he did no he would yeah he was no part of Rangers ownership at the point that he was president yeah and he never went back to become no an owner huh they might move I think they would probably play on the grounds of the Mar-a-Lago resort if uh if not so then what would Miami do with that stadium thing oh they're not they're not moving out of that stadium they would be done to move out of that stadium um it's a dumb place for them to build the stadium but uh it's there now they can't they can't leave was it is it dumb because of engineering uses or just um it's dumb because the the it's on the place where the the land where the orange bowl used to be and the orange bowl was fine because it's not that far to go from Coral Gables to uh to where it was it was close to where the University of Miami played and you didn't have to get back on 95 I'm getting super South Florida local yeah long story short I'm taking it long story short getting to and from Miami is a nightmarish hellscape and if you are trying to tell me that what you want people to do is drive down to Miami for a one o'clock game so by five o'clock you can be going north an entire stadium can be going north when literally everybody else is also going north then you can miss me with that like it is just stadiums on the water are great when there's a bridge leading to them is what kind of what you yeah I mean listen like uh AT&T is is a great example of a baseball stadium it's in a large metropolitan area you can get to it in a million and a half different ways yeah they expand public transportation to meet demand it's it fits it works putting them out in the middle of the boonies makes sense you know you can you can give them special access to the highways that you can build fairly easily it doesn't disrupt you know everything except for maybe a few months when they're first building everything that's fine doing what they did which was building this stadium adjacent to the city because it's not you're still you they if you live in Miami Beach or you live on South Beach you still gotta take a car or a cab to park somewhere down there is is a problem the AAA the American Airlines Arena where the heat play is a much better location because that is right on Miami Beach you can you can you can get there from a bunch of different ways and you know those games are actually popular dude do you think that company I mean I guess they do I'm trying to think like do companies who just want to build really large campuses or or skyscrapers have the same amount of trouble we just don't hear about it because it's not a sports team and I'm thinking about like the apple campus and the deal they had to do with the city to be able to do that Google's troubles trying to expand to their campus and and running into resistance Facebook having to like basically donate money to the to increase police coverage so so we do it's the same thing whenever a large enterprise like that wants to construct something somewhere there's a bunch of people who want to get their fingers in the pie it's just that sports stadiums always get the headlines because it's sports and everybody cares about sports well and if you are a city council member you can lose your job because you chased away the team yeah yeah you know somebody like if your name is never in any newspaper except for the very back of the local section and then all of a sudden you are now a one on the sports section and it's councilman buttersworth says goodbye local team then all of a sudden when you are in low turnout elections yeah they're like well screw buttersworth I'm going with the you know Guggenheim because he's not buttersworth and he chased away local team anyone but buttersworth anyone but buttersworth yeah because that's the thing is it doesn't have to be a huge thing well and eight people I'm also thinking like anytime anytime a team leaves a town the owner of that team is usually blamed become election time anybody else can get on can get the blame isn't exclusive right like when bill bidwill left st. lewis people in st. lewis blamed bill bidwill but the city council also took it on the chin for not doing more to keep him yeah so you have to you have to if a team leaves you have to look like you did as much as possible like hey it wasn't our fault we you know we were going to give them a sweetheart deal all the money and there's more and there's more movements that are like don't don't give google a chance to to take over our neighborhood keep them out we will vote you back in if you defend us from the stadium that's a waste of taxpayer dollars that's the the difference with the campuses is that a oddly enough I think people think of those campuses and probably if you're in the south they you've got plenty of reason to they think of that as kind of impermanent like why are we going to permanently flip the way that our town is is built or or or redistribute how we do things for a company that in in three years is going to get sold to some chinese conglomerate now it's just going to be a gigantic husk in the center of our town right like and also there's a little bit less of the of the of the fandom right that you know there are plenty of people who love google there's plenty of people who love apple they don't all live in Palo Alto and Cupertino right they don't all are there they're not all going to get to a city council meeting and like where their apple or google t-shirts and jump up and down and they're like save our google although oakland when the a's wanted to build a new stadium right next to where their existing stadium is but they would have to tear down the swap meet the flea market oakland rallied around the flea market people who are like no we don't we don't want to go we own this land we want to stay here well you know you can you can get that opposite reaction on behalf of business owners too california in general and the bay area specifically has has kind of always just been like you know the the default is no to knew anything unless you are oh san francisco very much like that yeah paying for it almost a hundred percent although cheers to oakland like they play that raiders thing perfect they were just you know go do it go ahead move your franchise to las vegas if we lose you to la we lose you to la that's all right you know you you would immediately be you know the the most popular team here's the funniest part you know when the raiders come and play the rams or the raiders come and play the chargers they will be the most popular team oh especially with the chargers but definitely with both so so wait what what happened with the raiders am i is there new information oh yeah so uh uh mark davis apparently has put as much thought into this move as he has his hair cut and uh uh number one I always thought it was dubious that they were going to move to vegas because even if you have the public money even if you have a sizable private donation on some level you are going to be either fundamentally or operationally involved in gambling and as much as the nfl wants to protect you know listen they they had a bad summer when it came to this chargers thing the chargers moving to la was never what anybody wanted it's not what the charges wanted it's not what the la market wanted it's not what the nfl wanted but ultimately they had to to make sure that they knew that they could you know keep some sense of pride when it came to extorting cities out of money so so now all of a sudden uh los vegas has established itself as the new la which was always just the big threatening point of don't worry we'll move to la we'll move to la don't give us money we'll move to la now they got two teams there and they put three so you have vegas now is the big new glittery shiny object but are you telling me that the same summer that they are going to have you know that they're going to take it on the chin and move a team where it's not going to be super supported now they're going to move to out that now they're going to move to los vegas and initially the deal was with sheldon adelson uh who of course made his money with uh i think the sands casinos and comdex and everything uh now he backs out of the deal because the nfl is uncomfortable with getting in bed with a casino yeah totally and so or comdex guy i mean i think a lot of us are comfortable with the way that that ended too um then the raiders like oh don't worry he was only going to be there he can be there or not but we've got goldman sacks goldman sacks is going to be everyone loves goldman sacks goldman sacks is like nah dog we were here because adelson was here we're out we're out okay so now the raiders don't have any money to take advantage of the public money that is being offered to them so now despite the fact that they filed their letter of relocation it's going to be up to mark davis to find other money to move to vegas and i'm going to take a wild guess over the next couple months that you're going to see the 11th hour change of heart and mark davis well we could never leave oakland and let's let's make a deal on on some minor renovations to the stadium and uh uh you know so they're not gonna um they're not going to move in with the 49ers and share that stadium i heard that bandied around for a while they might i might go back to that huh you know so so uh i think you know that would have been the move initially they should have moved in together yeah i thought that as much as i didn't like it i thought it made sense because you're down there near silicon valley and you can soak up all that money the what what money is left in san francisco in oakland still gonna come raining down towards you uh and and you save on the expenses it's exactly what the chargers and rams are gonna do in a in l.a. yeah i mean uh uh talk about gigantic monuments of air that that that stadium down there in the south bay is just you know depressing especially when you have poorly run teams that are just you know filling it up with broken dreams you're talking about the the the 49ers yeah just the Levi's stadium the Levi's stadium apparently it's a gorgeous stadium but uh uh i haven't been there but man does it look empty when you don't just have a gigantic population base that can get down there via public transportation in a reasonable amount of time you should have a population base in san jose that could that could put people put people in those seats there's no reason you shouldn't and then and then you fill it you fill the rest of it and with people willing to come down on caltrain because yeah but it's a new that's a new new population base right well that's the thing is it's not a good enough team I guess to get the people of san jose to come out now if they wouldn't have like you know chased off what has proven out to be one of the better football coaches of his generation and jim harbaugh you know then maybe you can get people to to come scamper down there but instead they're going to have their you know fourth coach in five years how does this relate to technology because all the advertisements in these stadiums that we're talking about are technology companies yeah man i still remember when i first started working at tech tv they were just finishing building pacbell park yeah san francisco and a lot of folks roger you remember this a lot of folks were complaining about it they thought it was a waste and that shouldn't have been done and i remember riding the zd tv shuttle you know from towns and to the embarcadero station and and going past it and i was like wow it looks like a really pretty park and of course now it's a jewel everyone loves it well part of it is that you know a lot of people were remain and to be honest it was kind of that way initially but a lot of people where you were in the mindset of the way people went to candlestick park which is car like driving it's like there wasn't enough parking space and then the streets would be clogged as people from the east bay would be trying to drive in and you know it would would be a traffic nightmare you know it was kind of like that initially but a lot of people clued in and the city as well as the the regional transportation district made available for example part made it made it so that you would have you could have trains that would work at a much more frequent capacity at the beginning in the end of the games yeah um as well as having when i took the trains there they were really it like it shouldn't have been as easy to get on and off of them as they made it like they did a lot of effort to direct traffic and help people find their tickets and all that sort of oh man going going going to a giants game it's just it's a dream it lets out you go to 21st amendment you throw back a few pints it's a it's a it's a deer it's a great night out I mean it's it was one of those things that um urban or urban uh urban designers have been wanting to do for for a long time is you can put cultural events like sporting uh sporting events as well as concerts and stuff but still make it accessible through public transit where people didn't have to rely on driving and if they did they wouldn't have to drive all the way in they could for example stop at like the open bar station or wherever and catch the train in um but basically reducing the amount of people in automobiles uh thereby allowing you to make use better use of the space that you have and you know it seems kind of contrary but because of getting people out of the cars it actually makes it easier for people to get in and out much quicker than they would if they were sitting behind the steering wheel because going to an ace game getting off the the bar train and walking across the bridge is much much better than trying to drive there and then get out of the little bottleneck parking lot and back on the other way oh yeah yeah no that's that's also uh I mean if if aside from the fact there's literally nothing around the arena like getting to it um especially from from our our neighborhood tom uh is is super easy all right guys I'm out of here uh that'll be it traffic and weather on the fives remember pro flowers for all of your uh valentines they need the shane company in kupertino the shane company sleep train sleep train all right guys all right thanks guys almost wrapped up here just upload and then we'll be done thanks everybody for watching or listening we'll talk to you tomorrow