 Ace asks, Jumping Rope is so addicting that I find myself wanting to do two full workouts a day. Well, calm down, bro. That's awesome. No, we love that, we love that. Not only are we recording, we're also recording. Yeah, yeah. Excellent. Well, you guys, welcome back to another episode of Dancing with the Zen Dudes. Yeah. What's up, ladies and gentlemen? Welcome back to episode number seven. Number seven. Of Ask the Zen Dudes, bro. Wow. We've done a great seven episodes. Man, lucky number seven. It's great to be here. Yeah, it's good to be here with you guys. Thanks for having us. What are you currently doing? Comment below and tell us exactly what you're doing right now. Exactly what you're doing right now. Tell us. What are you? Take your hand out of your pants. Damn. Yeah. Sorry, I get a little excited for these. Oh, man. Zen Dudes, I just got to say, we love you. We're excited to be here. Let's get into these questions. Emmanuel, what's up, my dude? I think this is the first time he's asked a question. Is it? Thanks, bro. Hope you're doing well. He is a Zen Dudes OG. Dude, he does a lot of different types of movement. Good job at mixing up your movement. Here we go, man. Emmanuel asks, can we get more high protein shake videos? But this time, ones that are vegan-friendly, it's a hard life out there for me. Dude, if you're vegan, I do agree with you. Like, there are a lot of options that make it sometimes tough to get something that's both macro-friendly and delicious with protein shakes. So the answer is yes. The protein shake series videos have not stopped. We're going to do more, but vegan. The thing is, dude, we only use this. So we can do vegetarian, but we don't use vegan protein. The thing is, everything we create here, we want to share like a perspective of what our lifestyle is, what we enjoy. And then hopefully, a lot of that you guys enjoy as well. So we're going to jump rope, yada, yada. But this is our life. This is the protein we take. So, homie-vegetarian, can we do that? Sun warrior. Well, sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry. But if you wanted to do it, you can do hemp forest. Yeah, hemp forest by one and sun warriors. Vega. Vega. Darcy asks, I have an injury in my shoulder that flares up when I do push-ups. On the push-up heavy workouts, what do you recommend as a substitute? Hmm. Alright, Darcy, first thing I want you to focus on is just getting healthy. So find out if you need to like go do physical therapy exercises. You might have to do something like that. It's not that extreme. I really recommend just trying to work on your push-up form and easing yourself back in with knee push-ups. And then after you can do knee push-ups pretty well, move on to regular push-ups again. And specifically, Darcy, you are in the dojo right now. And so you have access to every one of our exercise demonstrations. I will go check out the push-up and the knee push-up ones and really focus on emulating the same form that we use. Also guys, this is just an example where I want you to focus mostly on your nutrition because when you are hurt, you don't necessarily need to do the push-up heavy workouts for like two, three weeks. But if you eat the right amount of protein and hit your macronutrients, you're not going to lose a bunch of muscle. Because again, remember, especially if you're jumping with a heavy rope, you have that resistance. So you can still maintain that muscle mass. Yup. So, focus on the tense. Lilia. The girl I call Lilia and Brandon so gratefully corrected me. Lilia asks. Unfortunately, I won't be able to go to Costa Rica. Bummer. Why the hell not? I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. Unfortunately, I will not be able to go to Costa Rica with you guys even though I would love to. So my question is, are you planning to host a ZDF retreat in Europe? In the future, I would definitely go. Ooh. That sounds great. You know where would be a dope place to go in Europe? Maybe like Barcelona? Barcelona. Or I would want to go to Germany. Oh. Oh, I always want to go to Germany. Berlin. Oh, dude, I want to go to Berlin so bad. Maybe one in Berlin. Is there anyone in any nation who lives in Berlin? Dude, the music scene there is incredible. We could owe that. I feel like Berlin. Berlin. What do you guys think? Is Berlin, is that a good place to say like we could do a retreat there? And I totally agree with Brandon. Guys, like we're just getting started. Like Brandon and I, all we really want to do is just hang out with you guys, go places and put on like big events. So, absolutely we'll be doing that. And we want to know from you guys, do you think Berlin is a good idea? And if not, where do you think would be a good idea? Also, don't just say like where you're from. Like say somewhere that, because I personally don't know. Dude, I've never been to Europe. It's crazy. I've never been to Europe. So, tell us where you think would be, where you think would be the best place. Francis asks, is a Meet the Zen Dudes tour in the work super stoked about the app by the way? We are two men. Thanks for the support. Well, Francis, we're going to be moving around a little bit. So, at the end of May, I'm going to be in LA. Then I'm going to be up in Oregon and probably down in San Francisco, Seattle. Just pretty much up and down the West Coast. Up until the end of June, before we go to Costa Rica. Then we're going to Hawaii. And then we're going back to LA. And while I'm going to be on the West Coast, Dan's going to be on the East Coast. New York and Philly, Charlotte, New York. Lancaster, like my hometown. Lancaster. I think it's safe to say that for the next few years, we're going to have a home base somewhere. We're definitely going to be spending a lot of time in Columbia. But we'll have like a home base. And then, yeah, a lot of the year we will be just like touring and meeting people. That's really all we want to do guys. We want to take this concept because what we enjoy is just like hiking around cities, exploring, jumping rope and stuff like that. So we'd love to be able to just do that in a bunch of different cities and film it. So yes. Harry Roberts. Listen, bro. You asked like four questions, dude. And I love, I love, dude, this guy always asks great questions, too. So we love it, but we can't answer all of them. Can't answer all. I want answers. Answers. Harry asks, how to get more vascular, veiny arms and abs. Pretty good. Just, you have to lower your body fat percentage. That's going to be the easiest way to do it. And some people are just naturally more vascular than other people. So you just have to get lean. And your veins are going to pop out. Also having the decent amount of muscle mass in your body, too, helps. Because, you know, the more mass you have, you're going to be pumping the veins out. Oxygen flow, too. That was what I was going to say. Harry asks. I'm 16. And you guys are super motivating for me. I'm just finishing secondary school with my exams in a few weeks. How do I pass, guys? Good question, dude. I'm actually, thank you for asking that question, man. I'm glad that you had the bravery to ask that. Go ahead. How do you pass? Man, you just put in the work. If you want to do it, then do it. You just got to put time aside and focus. Put time aside, focus. And also, man, Harry, believe in yourself, brother. You are an amazing person. And I know that because you've invested in yourself by being in the Zendu Dojo and by being in the Zendu community. You pass the exams by being confident, studying, knowing, you know, knowing the material and going in there and saying, you know what I'm about to test? I'm just, you just go in there and you take the test and you pass it. Chris, my dude in Canada, he's been posting awesome videos. Thank you, man. Chris asks, fellas, I'm a shift worker and I have difficulties with fasting and eating clean on the night swing. I'm interested on your take for working out for a shift worker and clean eating tips for when your choice making ability gets beaten down. Thanks. This is a great question that we've been asked kind of versions of. But this is a big, big issue for a lot of people who work into the night shift. So, Brandon, go ahead, man. Yeah, man. If I was you, I would see if you can, let's see, wait, is it on the night shift? Mm-hmm. On the night shift. So, that's 11. The night swing is 11 to 8 in the morning. It's a really, dude, that's a hard thing to deal with, honestly. But, man, I think you just have to get into a new ritual. So, whatever your work schedule is, you just have to get into a ritual where like you're putting, you're kind of just batching the food that you do eat within the eight hours. And so, if that's going to be when you're working, because like you need more energy then, then do it, man. So, I'm assuming you sleep during the day. Yeah. I would just say, honestly, man, I wouldn't think of it as like you have to do something different because people who work during the day still work that same amount of time consecutively and playing their life around that. So, for example, I guess the way I would see it is just do it the most logical way. Like, a typical day, for example, is you wake up at 7, go to the gym. Let's say you work at 9 to 5. You wake up at 6.30 or 7, go to the gym. So, you get your workout before work. Then you go to work all day. Then you come home and eat your biggest meal, which is dinner. So, for you, man, I would say if you're a shift worker, I do actually, when I used to work once I was in college, I was like packing boxes into this, and it was like some warehouse. And some of the guys would go work out around 9 o'clock at night and then go into work, you know, they eat a big meal, go into work all night, and then come home, rest, and sleep, because obviously you don't want to be working out probably around that time. So, I would just think of it as a normal day, but you're just kind of pushing everything forward a little bit. By the way, respect, man. That's tough to be in that situation where, so, having said that, man, continue to work hard, but also realize that you definitely have the power to still maintain consistent workouts and consistent eating, even if you do work at nights, man. You get the power! Dude, thinking about guys like Christopher, they just get grit, you know? They're gritty dudes. I already know you are, because you work that shift, and a lot of people will be like, I just can't do that. So then take that grit and use it into being disciplined with your fitness and nutrition. Chris, by the way, is always the dude jumping rope in the snow. So he's already bad at this level. Killer. Shay asks, I love Shay's pictures of Ryan Reynolds. Shay asks, I'm trying to spread the word of ZDF and jumping rope in my community. Are there any videos in particular you'd like to be shared as an intro to your channel? Dude, thank you. Seriously, I appreciate that, bro. Your favorite video. Yeah, dude. Yeah, yeah. This is you, man. What do you feel you like the most? What do you feel is the most helpful? I would share that. Yeah. I think we don't really know what our coolest content is. I think you know better than we know, because you're someone who watches the videos and gets value from them. True to that. Harry. Harry and Harry. Harry. Dan. Dan's tutorials. At some point, I'm gonna do this. Like, guys, honestly my overall dream as a part of Zendred Fitness would be to bring a dance fitness element into it separate from jump rope. So, I can't say, like, yeah, I'm gonna start doing that, but guys, follow my Instagram account. It's at D. Whitmer. That's where I post all my dance videos every day. I'm only doing that because one of my biggest hobbies and goals in life is to become a really, really good hip-hop dancer. So I do that by posting daily videos of myself to just continue learning and getting better and holding myself accountable to all of you guys. So tutorials are coming, but probably not for, like, a few years. We're gonna continue to do, like, just jump rope for a long time. And then we're putting jump rope. Long-term dance boxing. Yeah. Long-term dancing become a world-class dancer, and I'm trying to become, you know, maybe not world-class, but pretty good boxer so we can teach that stuff. Yeah. I don't even need to be world-class. Just, like, I need people to look and be like, wow, dude, that guy. How do you do that? That 30-something-year-old guy so he can move. He's really moving it. Yeah. That's in the future. I'm only 28, by the way. Valerie Dan. Dancing Dan. We want more. It's coming. It's coming. It's coming. I feel it coming, baby. Nathan asks, as a Padawan in the muscle course, I don't intend to skip my breakfast even though I don't really like to eat in the morning. Can I just replace it by an epic what-up-plays-protein shake? After the morning training. Yes. Absolutely, man. Yes, you can. Jeremiah asks, is it all right to skip rope seven days a week when it's only skipping circuits on the weekends? Jeremiah, for sure, man. Just listen to your body. This is what we tell everyone. Some people can only do it three days a week. Other people can do it all seven days. Like, Dan and I, we go seven days a week, usually. Yeah. But other people's bodies don't feel good so listen to your body and do as much as you can do. Yep. Yep, yep, yep. William asks, your boxing tutorials have sparked my interest in boxing again while I'm doing the 12-week lean course. How often would it be wise to do the boxing routines you have suggested? Should I modify it at all? I was thinking of doing a split routine. Also, all your videos are so unique, catchy, funny, and fun. Woo! Dude, nice. Do you both shoot, come edit, et cetera, et cetera? Go ahead, man. We, I'm going to work backwards. Yeah. We both do shoot, edit, et cetera. We do everything for these videos. Appreciate the comrades, man. We just actually learned quite recently how to do this video editing stuff and we love it. We think it's so fun and that's why we want to get, just then do fitness as something, you know, something that's out of place where we can just dedicate all of our time to make an awesome video. So, thank you for that, man. Dude, actually what I'm going to tell you, man, is to just pick one or the other. For me, it's a lot easier to just be like, I'm going to do this and this one I'm going to focus on. So, if you want to try to do a hybrid of the boxing in 12 weeks, you can try, but you could just do the boxing. I laid that out or you could just do the getting-in course if you haven't. Because getting-in course, really the biggest thing is the nutrition program that you get with that. That's what's going to get you like the physical results and if you do the getting-in or the boxing, like you're going to be exercising a ton, you're going to be seeing results either way. Sidhu asks, what goes through your mind while you guys are working out? I like that question. I try to say it's present as possible, dude. Like it really is like my meditation. So when I go in and train, I'm just boom, I'm right here in the present moment constant. Like that is, that's where I feel the most peace. Dude, I'm trying to, I want to make, like sometimes it's like absolute presence for sure. And other times I'm working my way through things I'm dealing with in my life as well. Yeah, that's very true. And I'm coming out of it with that peace. And so it does for the time of the day. I always have like visions. Like because when you're listening to music, I always just see, like I just see us in like Venice Beach and stuff like that, just like jumping rope and meeting people. So I think I have visions. I mean, that makes sense. We run a jump rope company. So when I'm jumping rope and working out, I think of like doing that in public sometimes, like with big groups of people, especially if I'm listening to a motivating song. Andres asks, hey guys, from your experience, what's the minimum amount of hours y'all could sleep and still have the energy and functionality to have a productive day slash do the thing without crashing midday. I feel like I waste too much productivity time when I crash and take a nap. That's great. My man, you are probably not expecting this answer from us. What I'm going to say is there is no suggesting amount of sleep, right? All the research says like, usually people performance falls off when they get less than six or like more than eight or there's other health, negative health effects that happen from that. But there is no certain amount of time. You got to figure that out for yourself. And so if you need sleep, sleep like, dude, I sleep eight to nine hours a night. I know Dan sleeps a lot less than that. It's just what you need as a personal for yourself. Okay, don't listen to someone else. This isn't something that you'd be like, I'm going to go do what this person does. Figure it out yourself. Get the amount of sleep you need. You're going to have a huge ROI and just your productivity and energy throughout the day if you sleep enough. Yeah. Also, like that's so true. There is no amount. Like for example, I've lately been not for the past like year, I've not been waking up with an alarm and I go to bed at like probably 11 30 or something. I wake up at like seven or seven 30 and that's been great. But honestly, a while before that, I was sleeping five to five and a half hours a night. And that actually is completely fine for me. Like I have a very high energy level and a lot of like, yeah, I have a tough time like falling like falling asleep and stuff like that. So for me, I got hyper. Thank you. Very hyperactive, very hyper person. So five to six hours for me is like completely fine. Shane asks, will you guys be creating more workout programs like the getting lean and gaining muscle course in the near future? Shane, we are about to drop our mindset mastery course coming up here shortly. Wait on a homie. It's something that is bringing together all the aspects of achieving a goal, whether it be fitness or lifestyle related and teaching you how to get there from where you are right now. So it's just like, you're here, you want to go here and how do we make it fun the whole way through because most people quit because it's not fun. Basically what we did for fitness, right? We're like, most people quit fitness because they like aren't enjoying it. So what we did with our courses is make it more fun so people stick with it. Same thing with this mindset course. Like you have any goal for yourself. We're just creating a program that helps you stick with it and actually achieve it. Yeah. The only reason you stick with a program is not because of the program. It's because the mindset created and the identity that you create for yourself to get that body and to put the work in. Mono, what's up my dude? Mono asks for gaining muscle to increase my protein intake. If I practice intermittent fasting can I drink BCAAs while working out in fasted phase and oh, can't smell fucking. And drink whey protein mixed with water after work. Mono, this is incomplete. We don't have enough information here. Yeah. I think it might be talking about can I, you can take BCAAs fasted. Yes. BCAAs will not break your fast and whey protein will break your fast. So that's the best way we can answer that question. Yep. Rafael asks I'm going to run a marathon in December. Awesome dude. Good luck with that. Should I jump rope before or after jogging? By the way, Dan and Brandon when are you coming to Monterey? Monterey. Monterey, Mexico. Monterey, Mexico. Yeah, we have some friends in Austin from there. Really? Uh-huh. First of all, don't overdo it. You know, like if you're running a lot like 10 miles a day, I wouldn't, don't feel like you need to jump rope. Again, focus on your nutrition for sure. However, I do want to give you a direct answer here. So, for me, I would, it doesn't really matter because like the impact is going to be the same. I feel like jump rope's a good warm-up though. You know, jumping rope's a a nice warm-up exercise. Like boxers use it to like before they go into their workout and like some basketball players do jump rope before they go into their workout. Yeah, I guess that's a tough question though. I could see both liking both ways. I mean, you can switch it up too. Switch it up. Matthew asks what are your secret talents and how many countries have you been to? I, my secret talent is I play the trumpet and I'm nervous. I am. I'm nervous. That dude is really good. I play a lot of jazz, trumpet, but I haven't played for a while because I didn't bring my instrument down here to Columbia. But that's the thing that most people don't know about me. And countries, how many countries have I been to? I don't know the exact number. I don't know the Italian anywhere, but I would guess like 25? Damn, 20? You've been to a lot more countries than me, man. I need to break out. No, maybe not 25. Maybe 20? That's a lot. I can just list mine. You can? Yeah, because I don't think it's many. I don't know if this is like a secret talent, but I have been told that I can scream extremely, extremely loud. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do it because... Oh, to lose fat. Should we avoid push-ups? You can do push-ups or you can not do push-ups. That's not going to be a determining factor whether you lose fat or not. It is eating in a calorie deficit. That's pretty much the main thing. Yeah, don't avoid push-ups, dude. You should do push-ups. Just make sure that you are hitting your calories and macronutrients. That's going to provide most of the... I don't want to say some random percentage, but most of your ability to get lean is going to be based on your nutrition and hitting your calorie deficit. If you're watching this, would you tell us why you thought you should avoid push-ups? I'm always curious about what is floating out there on the Internet. Maybe you read something that said push-ups make you hold on to fat. But I'm curious. Comment below if you read this somewhere and you want to like us to do the article. June asks, how long did it take to achieve where you are a physical body like right now? Yeah, well, I would say... I would say I arrived here, like where I am right now. Probably like a year ago. It was like my best physique. And then I kind of stayed there. And I started probably back in 2011. I think I started to try to lean out. So that was like five years. About five years. Yeah, I would say probably... I would say around five years for me as well. We used to be bigger guys. I was like 70 pounds heavier. It's something that does take a while. It's not always going to be just a one-time thing. Sometimes you lose. Then you go back up. Then you come down again even further. It's definitely something that isn't perfect. And as you change age, your body transforms as well. So depending on how old you are, at different ages, your body is going to look more mature. And your best physique may not even be possible later in life. Like when you're 17, for example. You just don't have the hormones in your body to create that kind of a certain look. True. True that. Kareem asks, after calculating calories that my body needs, how to set a suitable food plan to eat per day and how to make sure that I'm not gaining weight again? Go. Kareem, alright. So you know how many calories you need to lose body fat? And how do you set a stable plan to eat per day? Man, what I would do would just like write down for a day what you usually eat and then plug it into an app on my fitness pile and it's going to tell you how many calories it is and you can be like, alright, how far away am I from where I need to be? And then make sure you take that number, that goal that calculator gives you and just eat less than that. So maybe that means you're cutting out breakfast to hit that calorie macronutrient number. And this is all in our simple meal system, by the way. That will pretty much just, you just get the simple meal system. I'll link it up below. Dan is a published author. I believe the Wall Street Journal is picking that up actually. Yes, they are very interested in my writing. For some reason it got ranked in the romance category for bucks. That's because my food is so good it tastes like sex. Ace asks, jumping rope is so addicting that I find myself wanting to do two full workouts a day. Well, calm down, bro. That's awesome. No, we love that, we love that. Ace asks, jumping rope is so addicting that I find myself wanting to do two full workouts a day. Once after waking up, then again an hour or so before dinner. Am I overdoing it? Am I giving my body enough time to recover? Dude, if your body feels good, go to town, man. I mean, it's hard to compare what normal is because Olympic athletes, for example, they train six hours a day. They're doing insane amounts of training. And so we can't say that's too much because maybe it's not too much for you. Listen to your body and if you feel good, yeah, man, keep jumping, keep skipping, just give it in. Yeah, and I don't think two workouts is too much because honestly, Brandon, you and I work out. We do like three different types of exercise a day. Like, I walk four to five miles a day. Heavy walking, boxing, jump rope. Dancing and then, yeah, just like lifting and stuff. Reject, do you guys sing? If yes, then we all need a song of Dan and Brandon. Well, we sing now. We rap, man. We did a rap. We have a rap. Oh, my rap song. Dude, let's freestyle right now. Yo, my name's B-Nasty. I go fast in my free style. I'll go for a mile. I'll go forever, whenever, forever, forever. I keep going. I keep flowing. I'm high-toeing. I keep showing up. I keep not giving a... Dude, nice. Prasanna asks, is it okay to have green tea during intermittent fasting? Yes. Barry asks, shuffle jump rope, tutorial video. Little question mark. I'm Ron Bergeny. If you're talking about the Running Man Challenge, we have one. Is that what the shuffle is? The Running Man? Shuffle jump rope. Yeah, dude, the shuffle, shuffle challenge. Barry asks, shuffle jump rope, tutorial video. Dude, we would do one, but isn't it impossible to jump rope and shuffle because your feet never leave the ground? You're sliding. You're sliding them. So if you want to post a video of them to the Facebook group and say, no, you idiots, this is how you shuffle jump ropes, then yeah, we'll totally make one. Shout-out sponsor time. Where's the cross rope? It's right here. I got it out. Yeah. Scary, huh? Dude, it's just kind of a sexy rope. Dude, also, we ran into this guy who owns a gym in Santa Monica, California, and he picked up the rope, just thinking it was the gyms and was like, dude, this is the best jump rope I've ever worked with. So shout-out to Dave at Crossrope. Dope bass, bro. Bro, you honestly are like, we're on to something big, man, because you make the best ropes. Our audience, if you want it, it's linked up below. Link below with a 10% discount. And then finally, our products that we take, we take three supplements. BCA is more facet. Protein, just when we want to make dank protein shakes. And get gains. And get gains. Yeah. And athletic greens, which we sometimes replace our vegetables with. Usually we try to get our veggies, but, you know, AG is like the backup plan when you can't get veggies. Samson asks, I work retail at Nike. Does walking around and moving about during my eight-hour shifts replace a day of jumping? I wouldn't say it replaces a day of jumping, but just think about, yes, you are burning calories while you're active, but jumping rope a lot of times is a much higher intensity, so you're going to be burning even more calories. So, yes, it's awesome that you move around a lot at work. In fact, to that, Aynan, like, be aware of it, but we also recommend that you're doing some more high-intensity as well, just because you want to get your, you want to put yourself in that fight-or-flight state where you're, like, going after it as hard as you can. You have the chemical changes in your body to increase the feel-good hormones and also help you burn more fat. I got nothing to say. That was a great response. Vince asks, Yo, ZenDude Bradis! Is the ZenDude app when released available in the Google Play Store for those who use Android-based foods? Absolutely, man. Come on, you think we're going to do Android users like that? Absolutely. We're releasing the app for everybody. Everybody. Well, I think everybody. iOS and Android. If you're on something else, I don't know what that is, so we didn't make it. And Vince, shout out to Vince, who just named his Siberian Husky or is about to name his Siberian Husky, ZenDude. He sends the email and told us so. Dude, that's probably the coolest thing I've ever heard. We love it, dude. We're super appreciative of that, and I hope he's an awesome dog. He's a Husky. That's one of the coolest dogs. He's gonna be so chill. He's such a chill dog. I'm excited to maybe one day meet this dog. I don't know. Who knows? Juan asks, ZenDudes, what's up? What's up, Juan? I'm interested in the Costa Rica Retreat. Can you guys tell us more about it and why Costa Rica? By the way, Dan, I love The Power of Now. It's an excellent book. Pure wisdom. My man, do a thing. My dude, we are going to be sending you an email tomorrow and then the next day. Wednesday? Wednesday. Okay, cool. We're going to be sending you an email tomorrow and then for the next four days, we shot a video on the Costa Rica trip and we're really going to break down exactly what it is. So make sure you subscribe to our email list by going to ZendyFitness.com, putting your email in there and we will send you all the details, brother. Jail asks, do you use other apps to work out? What about calisthenics? I use the WOD. Right now, I use the WOD hit trainer app so I can do my intervals, but I'm not going to use any other app besides our app once we release that because that's basically the only exercise app I think we need, because basically what we took, what we usually do in our own training and put it into an app. Yeah. Yeah, guys, Brandon and I don't really use a lot of apps to work out. We just work out. We don't use gadgets and all the stuff. We just get really f***ing f***ing and just get after it. Ladies and gentlemen, this has been another fantastic episode of Ask the Zen Dudes. Thank you guys. We love you. Brandon, any closing words? Subscribe to the YouTube channel. Like the video. Comment below. Say what's up. Share it with a friend. Take your top off and let me see those. Yeah.