 It is not an attainment, it's not like, aha, now I'm enlightened, or aha, now I'm separated from everything, I am not any of this. It's a growing and deepening process and sometimes the ego pushes you into action, then you, in that sense, fall back. Then you pick yourself up and you say, no, I'm experiencing a lot of suffering, so this must be an action of the ego. Let me go back, let me tune in, and then again you move from that and then there is joy that appears, so you know, aha, this is indeed rising from the truth. So it is a process of deepening that engagement and that connect with the truth.