 It's your last chance to walk away. Are you kidding? It's five against one. It's three against one. How do you figure? Once I take out the leader, which is you. I'll have to contend with one or two enthusiastic wingmen. Last two guys, I always run. Well, you, uh, you've done this before? It's getting late. Remember, you wanted this. I have stated over and over again that it would be wrong of someone to want to talk about someone, but not be willing to talk to someone. Also, I feel like that if you have a firm footing, a firm understanding of your own belief of sound doctrine, then you shouldn't have any problems speaking with someone. As after all, Peter did say, sanctify Christ in your heart and always be ready to give a defense or an answer to anyone who asks. And so I was asked recently by a person named Tony Harvin. Tony Harvin is, I just got a nice sized YouTube channel, but he is an ad-bite follower, supporter of Gino Jennings. As you know, I've made many statements condemning, denouncing some of Gino Jennings teachings. One of the things that I disagree with him on is the necessity for water baptism. In other words, for it to be the reason for salvation. Do I believe that a person should be baptized in water? Sure, that's not my argument. My issue is does water baptism is at what saves us? And so he invited me to come onto his channel to have a discussion. Initially I thought it was gonna be with him, but it was going to be with him as a moderator, but two other people, no problem. Have no problem whatsoever. I think that I can stand and that anyone with sound doctrine should be able to stand no matter how many people they're going up against. However, coming to find out, there was me versus more than two people and it ended up being really me versus six people. No problem whatsoever. As a matter of fact, all of these people happened to be oneness Pentecostals, even more. And so you know where they're coming from. And I'm going into a hostile area and hostile environment where not even just the people who were on the screen, but also the people in the chat. Oh, I was enemy number one. I could have, I may have been able to redeem myself before the people if I could have gone into a burning building and saved them or saved their children, then maybe I'd get a little bit of leeway, but even still it wasn't gonna go so well. So there's two reasons why I wanna show this. One, obviously put to bed this foolish notion that you have to be baptized in water to be saved. But then also to make another point, I'll deal with the second point later, but let me go ahead and just state my position. If water baptism is necessary for salvation, if that's the case, then we can disprove that by simply showing anyone in the Bible, anytime in the Bible where somebody was saved who did not get water baptized. In other words, if it's an absolute declaration by heaven that you must be water baptized in order to be saved, well then if we find that there are people, not just one example, maybe two, three, four, five examples of someone becoming a believer, however not being baptized in water, then that would dispel this issue pretty quickly. Now I asked this question a few times, and I'll just say before I even go to the video, no one ever answered a question. No one, no one, no one had a counter to that. Because typically people who do not have sound doctrine also do not have the ability to listen clearly. Comprehension might be low, emotions run high. Those also are earmarks of people that tend to follow this person, Genome Jennings. And again, I've got my issues with him and people that follow him tend to be and act just like him. There's no ability to listen whatsoever. And so after stating this several times, as a matter of fact, you go here in the video, after stating this over and over and over again, I had to tell another person, listen, don't ask that question again. I have spoken and stated that I do not stand against water baptism. I just state that water baptism is not necessary for salvation. And we've got four or five examples to disprove that. And if we've got one, two, or three examples and these people are already saved, then you cannot say that that person requires or that salvation requires water baptism. So let me go ahead and play some of the clips. We'll go ahead and break this down as well. Look at some of the scriptures to rebut them. Some of the audio isn't necessarily the best, but we'll still go ahead and work through this. Okay, now I wanna ask you a question about Mark 16, 16, okay? Okay. When Jesus said in Mark chapter 16 and verse 15, go ye out into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. And then in verse 16, he said, he that believe it and is baptized, shall be saved, he that believe it not, shall be damned, do you believe that baptism in Mark chapter 16 and verse 16 is referring to holy spirit baptism or water baptism? I believe that is a spirit baptism. All right, that's wrong. First, we're gonna go to Matthew chapter 28 and verse 19. So this is the same account being spoken of in the book of Matthew, okay? Jesus said, go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy ghost. Does that sound like spirit baptism to you? He said, go out and teach all nations. Cause this is the thing. He's telling the disciples to go out into all nations and baptize them in the name of the father, son and holy ghost. So the same thing is being spoken of in Mark chapter 16 and verse 16. It's the exact same account being written of in the gospel of Mark is referring to water baptism here. That's why I'm trying to tell you cause you're saying that it's referring to holy spirit baptism. But if you compare the gospel of Matthew where it says go baptize them in the name of the father, son and holy ghost and then you compare it with Mark chapter 16 and verse 16, it's showing you that it's referring to water baptism because if he's saying go baptize them in the name of the father, son and holy ghost that is not spirit baptism. So you can find out by reading the book of Matthew that what it's talking about in Mark it is referring to water baptism. That's why I gotta say to you. And so his question is how do I take Mark 16? Do I take that as water baptism or spirit baptism? Now two things. One, there are two baptisms named in the Bible. There's a baptism where someone is baptized in water and there's a baptism where someone is baptized into the holy spirit. Now there's also the other baptism but for this conversation there's at least two, water being baptized in water and baptize in the spirit. The question is when the Bible speaks of baptism which one is he speaking of? And so that's the question he's asking here and I take Mark 16, 16 as being baptized in the spirit. Now the other thing is that you'll notice my friend a person who is the salt of the earth. Clearly one of God's greatest achievements that is Serox Moon. He's been on this channel before and I've gotten rid of him because he is, listen, I'll just be honest with you. He's not a nice person. He has no control of his emotions. He likes to insult people and so for that reason and oh by the way, a bit racist as well. And so I put him off the channel but I can't put him off Tony Harvin's channel but he's there and he's just chomping at the bit and we'll have our little dialogue in just a little bit as well but back to his contention. Okay, so again, my same response from Mark 16 is my same response from Matthew 10, 28, baptizing them is the same as this is a spiritual baptism. When the word and this, and matter of fact, this might make Brother Smith happy, once a person hears the word, that person upon the profession of their faith in Christ, they become baptized. And so I take this as a spirit baptism. The reason why I say so is because Paul also who's also being sent out by Christ later on, he does not have a ministry as he said to himself and first Corinthians that he did not come to baptize. He came to preach. Okay. And so. All right, before it goes to one more person, I just got one last question. So in Mark chapter 16 and verse 16 where it says, with a God preached to gospel and then he that believe it and his baptized shall be saved. Did the disciples follow what Jesus said and Mark chapter 16 and verse 16 when Jesus was speaking, when he told them to God and to preach the gospel then whoever believes the gospel and his baptized shall be saved. That's the context of it. And so did they follow what Jesus said? So now my response is, I think it's pretty clear. Let's go to Mark 16 so we can see. And again, I take Mark 16. First of all, I do not agree that the latter portion of Mark 16 should be added. I come down on the side of most textual critics, most theologians, most scholars, most people who do this for a living will tell you that they don't believe that Mark 16 verses nine through 20 was part of the original. Now, I'm not gonna have that discussion with them. Didn't bring that up with them. Why? Because they are not in an emotional or an intellectual position to even receive that they would just fly off the handle. We've had this conversation before as to why we don't believe that Mark 16, nine through 20 belongs but for the sake of this argument. Breathe easy, those who disagree already, breathe easy for the sake of this argument. We'll go ahead and stipulate that the latter portions of Mark belong. But we can still deal with it as well as Matthew 28, I believe that both are speaking of a spirit baptism. Now, my point is this. In order to be baptized into the spirit, Paul, I mean, Jesus is contrasted by John from John's water baptizing to Jesus baptizing us in the spirit. That happens as a result of our faith. So the gospel is preached, the good news is preached, we believe and at the moment that we believe, we are baptized. Baptized upon the name of or the authority of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit or upon the name or the authority of Jesus. That's what I believe, why I believe it's spirit baptism. Now, here's another reason why I believe it's spirit baptism. Going back to Mark chapter 16, let's put it on the screen. So Mark 16, 16 states this, whoever believes and as baptized will be saved but whoever does not believe will be condemned. My contention is this could not be speaking of a necessity for water baptism. Why? If we take this as true, look what it says, whoever believes will be saved and whoever's baptized is saved. And so if they believe that water baptism is necessary then whoever believes will be saved. But also the second part of that, you have to be baptized to be saved. But what is noticeably absent in the very same verse, the latter portion of it says that whoever does not believe will be condemned. Well, why didn't say that whoever does not or is not baptized will be condemned, just the belief part because the belief is associated with this. I have covered this before. There is what's called this ep-exegetical usage of words. We have it in English, we have it in Greek, we have it in various languages, okay? And so this is not a new or unheard of phenomenon, though most people have not thought of or heard of the definition. But let me give you an example of this usage that we even have even in English. Ep-exegetical means that something is, when something is spoken of in more than one, using more than one terms, one aspect is spoken of in more than one terms. And so we'll use a term like for example, our God and Father. Well, speaking of him, he is our God and he is our Father. He is not our God plus our Father. He's the same thing. The same two terms are referring to the same person. Another word, another way to put it is our God that is our Father or namely our Father. And so I'll use this phrase such as the ep-exegetical Chi which is an actual grammatical term. It is when these nouns or it can be adjectives or what have you that are separated by Chi, it's saying that this, namely or also or that which is. For example, we'll cover John 3.5 where people think that baptism is at play and it is not. That's not what's at play in John 3 when he's saying that you have to be born of the water and the spirit. But we even say this about Jesus, our Lord and savior. Jesus is what our Lord and he's also our savior but he's not saying two different things. He's saying two words to say or convey the same thing about the same person. And so we have that here. Here in Mark 16, it is taken ep-exegetically and so that those who believe and is baptized same thing. So believe, namely or leading to baptism. You cannot be baptized unless you believe and if you believe, you are baptized. There is no separation of the two. Every believer according to Paul, every one of us we have been baptized into the body into the same spirit. That part cannot be separated. And so we have to look at that as we look at this. And so the same thing that's being stated in Matthew 28 also in Mark 16. And I'll go ahead and provide the link in the description so you all can see if you wanna go back and watch the whole thing. It's about, it's almost three hours long. And so I decided, I really only had an hour to give but I decided, you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and give because had I left early what would have been stated? Oh, Cory, you're running, which by the way, even if you go and I think that I hope the comments are still enabled in the chats but you'll see that me leaving after three hours run coward, chicken, you scared, wait, I've been here three hours answering every question or that you don't wanna hear that. I've been here three hours. Why are you telling me what I don't wanna hear? Who did I run? I came here off of an invitation. And so I mean, but again, those are the kind of people that you deal with. But again, as a believer who reads the scriptures who will try to do my very best to understand to go through them to rightly divide it and who I believe is being used by the Holy Spirit, not perfectly, I mess up a lot. I mess up a lot, again, probably twice this year, maybe two more times over the years upward, who knows? But I mess up a lot. But I've got this confidence, this boldness so to speak that if I have to deal with two people, five, 15, 35, I told you about the time where I was in the room with 42 Muslims and I told them that every last one of you all of you who just got through praying to Allah, no one was on the other end of that prayer. You might as well have talked to a tin can because no one, well, now, did that wrangle them a little bit? Did that get their ire? Yeah, it did, but I'm still gonna stand for Christ and so I'm gonna do the same thing here and I'm gonna defend the scriptures. I get that some people were raised a certain way that were trained a certain way to think a certain way and Geno Jennings says a certain way with these people they understand it in that way and they eat it up, but they do so incorrectly. Because again, if water baptism is necessary, if water baptism is necessary, and then they're also gonna tell you that you must have the name Jesus or in the name of Jesus or the name of the Lord Jesus, whatever sort of phrase that's commiserate with that, if the person that's baptized and you doesn't say that, then you're not saved. So your faith isn't enough. You've gotta be saved by your faith and then get baptized and not just getting baptized if the person says it the wrong way, well then you're messed up. And so we can't baptize you until next week. So my faith is for not until next week when they can get somebody to come in and baptize me the right way. Yeah, that's heresy. That is heresy. It's not only heresy, it's actual biblical stupidity. That's exactly what it is. Now we'll cover Acts 238 where they get this foolishness from and the people who also I've tried to talk to, they all said the same thing. They won't talk to me, but I don't look in, but again, we'll get there. I don't wanna get too far ahead of myself. The question on the floor is what is meant by baptized? Which baptism? You all would agree that there's at least two baptisms possible, right? There's at least a water baptism and also a spirit baptism. Which baptism is here? I'm saying that it's a spirit. You're saying it's the water. How do we understand this? Well, if we, again, I'm saying that I'll say the same thing I said to Craig and anyone else. If there are passages where people believe, receive the Holy Spirit, but did not get water baptized, then that simply means that it is not a requirement for salvation. I'm not saying again, let me say it again. I'm not saying that you don't have to, that you should not get water baptized. I'm saying water baptism is not what saves you. That's my whole attitude. If it's not required, then why were they commanded to be baptized? If it were required, then why then do we see some people who did get saved without water baptism? The example you brought up with people being saved was like the thief on the cross, which is Old Testament salvation. That's not New Testament salvation. First, what makes a New Testament an Old Testament? What makes it that? Because when Jesus was on the cross, that was before the New Testament came into effect. The New Testament, there is no such thing. New Testament is how we divide the Bible. Old Testament, New Testament. So as far as they're concerned, there's Old Covenant for the Jews and there's New Covenant. The New Covenant starts when, when Jesus shed his blood and gave his life, was that done before or after the thief of the cross? Okay, let me show you that that, when he was on the cross, that was before the Holy spirit was even given. Johnson. That was before- Yeah, Q26, bro, Q28. Now, before I get to my good friend, my online best friend, C.RoxMove, one of the statements that was made as far as, again, me trying to prove that if I can find at least one person, but there's more than one in the Bible, more than one example of someone who died on their way to heaven without having been baptized and that should dispel this issue. Now, they wouldn't, they would not rebut that, although one did say that the thief on the cross is not a good example because when he died, it was the Old Testament, not the New Testament. First of all, the Bible makes no distinction between Old Testament and New Testament. Old Testament and New Testament, that's a word that's a, that's an English word. That's us dividing the books. But the Bible does distinguish between Old Covenant and New Covenant. And if you wanna say that's Old Testament, New Testament, fine, fine, fine. So the question is, when does the Old Covenant end and when does the New Covenant start? Well, the Bible says that the Covenant is going to be ratified and inaugurated by blood. So think about this, ladies and gentlemen, like I said to them in the video, when did Jesus die? When was his blood shed and when did he die? Was that before or after the thief on the cross died? Well, Jesus shed his blood and died before the thief on the cross died. So if that is the inauguration, that's the beginning of the New Covenant. Then that means the thief on the cross died when? In the Old, under the Old Covenant or the New Covenant? The New Covenant. Secondment, even if he died before, under the Old Covenant, this thief on the cross is not a person that's in the right standing with a Lord. Doubtful, though it doesn't say that he had partaken in the day of atonement and that his sins were atoned for. Here's a person who's being executed and he even states so that he's being executed justly. So he's a person that's probably not in right standing anyway, even under the Old Covenant. But Jesus promises him to be in paradise and even one person later on. I don't have that clip, but you can go back and watch what he says. Well, that didn't mean that he got saved. Jesus said that he might be saved. He might go to paradise. Okay, fine. This is what we're dealing with. And so now we hear from our good friend, my wonderful buddy, C-Rot's Move. Yeah, five minutes to go, brother. And all things, let's conduct ourselves decently in order, brother. You said one more question, and then you said another question. Let's be in order, please. Now, what he is saying is, there's the guy that wants to talk to me. He wants to keep going on and on and on and not let other folks get involved. And so C-Rot's Move, he's chomping at the bit to get in. And so he wants to get in. And so he's telling the guy, let's conduct ourselves decently in order and so forth. Okay, fine. Take your own advice, C-Rot. Totally, thank you for having me back on your platform. Shout out to everybody on this panel. Shout out to everybody in the chat. It's really sad to see that C-Rot is still teaching another gospel, pushing a damn number of doctrines. This is disgusting. My spirit is crawling right now, listening to some of the stuff that this man has said on his channel. My one question, and then I want to bring for scripture all the way. My only question is, lying story, C-Rot, I know you're gonna get mad for me saying that. Well, why do you? Why do this? Well, no, no, no, no, you know what? Let's hold on, hold on. This is what we're gonna do. This is what we're gonna do. And Tony, govern your audience correctly. I don't call the man out of his name. He's gonna call me Corey. You call me out of my name, brother. I wouldn't be offended. I don't want to do it. Because I don't believe whatever you call me. It doesn't matter. Look, listen, if you're gonna talk to me, talk to me like you're grown. I'm grown. We're gonna have a conversation. All right? All right, I'll retract that. I'll retract that. So, again, we're not gonna have the conversation if you're gonna act like a kid. If you're gonna act like a little child, then fine. See your way out. We don't have to have a conversation at all. One of us at least is grown, okay? I'm old enough to be, I don't know if I'm old enough to be his father. And I don't know what his father taught him if he has a father around. I don't know. But clearly it doesn't show when this man speaks to somebody, he doesn't know how to behave. He doesn't play well with others, which is fine. I don't need to talk to you. You can keep talking about me. That's fine. Now, I think he finally got it in his head. It's okay, fine. Let me, because it's not looking good for me to say these things act this way, but he goes on. No problem. All right. My question to you, Corbett, is Jesus of Nazareth, the ultimate example of how we should live on this earth? Without question. What he's talking about is that if Jesus is our example, then we should do exactly what Jesus did. And I gave the extreme examples. Well, in that case, we should die for other sin, which we can't do. We should walk on water. We should turn water to wine. We should do all these things. Well, he says, his point, his response was, these are miracles that we can't do. Okay, well, fine. Well, then don't sin. It's not sending a miracle because Jesus didn't do that. He left our example and you don't follow that to a T. Jesus, we are not told to do what Jesus did to a T. All those, Jesus was Jesus. He is God. And some of these might not understand that, but he is God. And so it's silly. But again, look what their argument goes into. It leaves from discussing is baptism and water a requirement into should we get baptized? I keep stating, I think you should. I don't have a problem with that. And so what do they keep asking? Why don't you think we ought to get baptized? Or are you listening? I just said it. I said it at the very beginning. I said it throughout the middle of it. I keep saying, I'm not against baptism. Why don't you think we ought to follow what Jesus did? Now, we'll cover this in a second, but the guy that I started off with having a discussion with Craig, I think I've told him maybe four or five times without this discussion, maybe three times up to this point that you should get baptized. I'm not against that. We're talking about, should you be baptized for salvation? You just said and agreed that Jesus is the perfect example of how we should live on earth. That was the example that he laid. The fact that you don't believe that shows that you are not of God, my brother. Okay, listen, listen. You are not. Now, so what he does because he's not understanding when I explain the rules, and I get it, I get it, it does take a level of comprehension to be able to understand what I'm saying. Google the term ep-exegeticals. That's what I made up. We use it in English. We use it in Greek. We use it in a lot of different things, okay? And so it's not a term that matter of fact, just go to Google once you finish the video, type in ep-exegetical examples, and they'll give you some examples. They'll explain the definition. We see it again in Greek. As a matter of fact, we say it and we use it not realizing, oh, that's the rule. Well, I've been applying this rule all along. He doesn't get that. Maybe if Geno Jennings taught that, which is another problem I have that Geno Jennings is not an expository preacher, he's an emotional teacher who is clueless. Let me just say that again. The man has no sound or firm footing on doctrine. He'll say some things, he'll go through the Bible. Folks will say, well, yeah, yeah, Geno goes through the Bible. He'll go, okay, anyone can go through the Bible, but to do so in a sound fashion without isogening, using sound, hermeneutical principles, that's a word that you don't hear in that church. Hermeneutics, or I suggest you don't hear these terms because these are foreign concepts. And so to him, it'd be the exact same thing. Some, it's just completely foreign. Well, isn't it the example that we should follow in his steps from the first book of Peter chapter 2, verse 21? It said, leave in us an example that you should follow in his steps. So if he got baptized, shouldn't we get baptized in his name? That's right. Again, okay, listen, let me just, can we say this again? Let's make this clear. I don't think you guys are listening. I did not say, don't get baptized. Where once did I say, don't get baptized? I said, you should. The question on the floor is, is it the water baptism that saves? I said, it's not the water baptism that saves, it's the spirit. Why you guys are asking, acting as though I said, don't get baptized, I didn't say that. I said clearly, you should. But I said, the water baptism is not what saves you. Can we all, can we go through the one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, the eight people that are here other than me, can we at least get ahead and not, that I did say that. I did say, Cory, was the water, wasn't water, and that it was spirit? That's what you ever, you said the water was spirit and the scriptures say, does water and spirit, when it says something else that is different is being added into the equation. Okay, the question that I was receiving, if you want me to show the text, he asked me, do I believe that water baptism saves? I said, no. You want to have a discussion about that? Sure, no problem. I don't have a problem with that. I wouldn't have that problem with anyone about, or any topic. So, do not. Baptism alone doesn't save, you're using deception. It's one of the things that we have to do is to be saved. But, if you leave that out of the equation. Unless there's someone who has no access to water, unless there's someone who has access to water and doesn't have someone with the Holy Spirit to baptize you, then you're not exempt from baptism. So, what passage did you go to to say, unless you don't have access to water, or unless you don't have someone with the Holy Spirit to baptize you? What passage is that? Now, what he's also confused about or what he's making up, because again, that might be part of his history as background who knows. But he made, you're the statement that he made, that if a person gets baptized, it has to be, there's an exemption. There's an exemption. You have to be baptized in water to be saved unless there's no water around. There's no ability, no way to be baptized in water. Or, if there is no Holy Spirit man who understands the way to do it the right way, saying the right formula. And so my response was, give me scripture for that. Find me one scripture, crickets. Why? Because there is no such scripture as that. Now you're just making stuff up. You're trying to figure out a way to get out of this obvious corner that you'd back yourself into because everyone who would place their faith in Christ might not be able to get baptized. A person's in some sort of foreign prison and they give their faith, someone in China, have this whole time, give their place of faith in Christ and can't get baptized. Now what? For the next, how many years, they can't get baptized. Well, Brother Corey, can I ask you something? Is it a good thing? I've got a question. We use Craig, Craig, Craig, Craig, Craig, Craig. Don't ask that question, please. I've already said so. You're not, Craig, you're not listening to me. I say you should get baptized. In the book of James chapter four of verse 17, it says, therefore to him that knoweth to do good and do what is not. Craig. To him it is good. Craig, what's your problem? I'm gonna text it to you. I just said, I literally just said you should get baptized in water. I literally just said that. Okay. I literally just said that. Okay. I said, matter of fact, I said it. An hour and 48 minutes ago I said that you should get baptized in water. I simply said also with that, it's not the water that saves you. Craig, please, please, brother, do not ask a question again. We've covered that. I just said it again. You should get baptized in water. You should. So again, Craig is just, I don't, and I ain't, Craig seems like a nice guy, but Craig is also misinformed. Craig is not comprehending. And so, and I don't know if Craig's even thinking again, why I'm saying that you shouldn't get baptized again. I haven't said that. I stated that baptism doesn't save you. Water baptism doesn't save you. And so I don't know if he ever got that or not, but there's some things I just can't control, right? Now, one issue that does come up though is their understanding of how you get saved and how you get the Holy Spirit. And you'll see that Mr. C. Rocks move. I don't know. I wish I knew what his real name is. I do not like enjoy calling a grown man by their nickname, but again, I don't know if this is a rap name or street name, what I don't know, but C. Rocks move believes that you don't get the Holy Spirit. Immediately you have to tarry for it. If you do not receive the Holy Spirit, but God has not decided to add you to the body. When you receive the Holy Spirit. When you receive the Holy Spirit. You got to tarry until. No, you don't, no, you don't. No, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Now, what he won't be able to do is go to the Scripture. And so there was only to even focus on that. That is the same part. Our faith is what saves us. Now, if we have genuine faith, I agree. There's gonna be some things that's gonna come as a result of that. James says, you show me your faith without works. I'll show you my faith by my works. And so obviously, if you've got some faith, something's gonna happen, something's gonna be unchanged. The Holy Spirit is gonna live in you and it's gonna cause you to do things. That's why God says in Ezekiel 36 that I'll pull my spirit in them and then we'll cause them to walk in my teaching. And so I agree. I agree. But if a person has faith and for whatever reason, never gets baptized. That person, that faith alone is what saves them. I believe in what they call just faith alone, solo fide, just faith alone. And then everything else transpires from that. And so we have this discussion about faith being what saves us and that true genuine saving faith is ultimately gonna cause a change and some works. And I stated that James states that you show me your faith without work. I'll show you my faith by my works. I'll prove that I've got faith by my works. And so what does he do? See, Rosmue quotes, goes to James, reads a passage that I'm paraphrasing that I'm alluding to and says, I ought to repent. Why? Because I literally said the same thing, you turn around and repeat the exact same thing and say that I ought to repent. This is the foolishness that we're dealing with. And I understood that going in there, I'm not going to win anything but I want to prove a second point. I'll get to that point in just a little bit. James, let's go there please. Because this is very important and I'll read this right now because he just said faith alone, James 2 and 20 says, even so faith, if it has no works, it is dead being alone. Over, amen, that faith without works is dead. Amen. Didn't I just say that? Amen. What you just said, Barbara, you need to repent for that. No, no, all you did was repeat what I just said. I literally just said that. I didn't repeat what you just said, I'm going to feed it James 2 and 20. All right, I just want you to know that James 2 and 20. So I let them know, I understand, I'm not going to win with you guys. I understand who I am, who you guys are, who you guys follow, who you guys look up to and I have hit him, come against him in many fashions. Let's go ahead and address the elephant in the room. The fact of the matter is, I don't have a problem. I'm really gonna have a problem. I have a problem with Tony. Tony contacted me, he was cordial, I was cordial. No big issue. I know that Tony's channel is supportive of Geno Genies. Yours is too and if not everyone else in the chat. That's fine and I disagree. So already, I'm at a deficit with everyone. I would have to save their child out of a burning building to get some level of positive credit. That's fine, but I literally just said a scripture. You came back and read the scripture, I just quoted and said, I need to repent for saying that. Why? Because you've got to explain it. Wait a second, I'm speaking. You have to be totally different than what was written. You added that one. You have a dismay towards me. That's fine, that's fine. If, listen, be mature since you have to stay with me. You don't have to talk to me. You don't have to talk to me. I'm talking to you right now. I'm telling you, you said that thing for a long time. That's not the explanation for this verse because they said faith is today. And I will again give credit to Tony Harvard again, who's a supporter, but he conducted himself in a generous fashion, a cordial fashion. He didn't say anything negative. As a matter of fact, even in our emails back and forth, he was completely respectful, no problem with him. But as guests, all of them I would say need Sunday school, all of them need to go through a Bible course and to understand and learn how to read. Take a Prolegometer course, take a Bible Survey course, anything, understand how the Bible's put together and how to read it. Now, here's the second thing, and this is why I brought up this issue about me going into the lion's den, why this is important. One, I've made this offer to a few demon-slaying friends of mine. Well, they're not friends of mine. As a matter of fact, they've all blocked me, but they get the message and they still will not acquiesce. They won't talk to me, which is fine. I think we ought to be. I think we ought to be willing to talk with someone who has a disagreement with you and has shown that it won't be a contentious discussion, but I can't get that. I'm saying, just like I'm in the den with these onus Pentecostals who may not be saved, I say may not because there are some onus Pentecostals who don't really understand what they, what and why they believe. They just, hey, I'm at this church and so they might actually have placed their faith in Christ and are just confused. But then they may not be saved, might not be saved or definitely aren't saved if they understand and still willfully deny that. Someone who, well, someone who shall remain nameless who states that Jesus is a thought and so forth and his understanding is doctrine and it's all over the place and never consistent. So I'll go ahead and just attribute some brotherly hope that the people that I'm debating that they are saved. Maybe, possibly. But I don't have a problem with talking to someone who's not saved. If it's one on one, one on three, one against six, 10. If it's the demon slayers who can cast a demon out of me who can put me in the middle of four or five of them or if it's another person, you gotta be willing to talk to people. You gotta be willing to share what you believe when the Bible tells us to, when the Bible tells us to give an answer to anyone asked, he means that. It's not a suggestion. Now, before I go, I do wanna go back and cover what I said this issue of baptism is, what it pertains to and other uses of this exegetical kind because when they bring up that we ought to be just like Jesus and baptized like Jesus. Well, first of all, there's a reason why Jesus was baptized. Let's go to the scriptures, John chapter one, verse 24. It says, the Pharisees, they asked him, let's start in 25, they asked him, then why are you baptizing if you are neither the Christ or Jesus? Now, he says that these things took place in Bethany across from the Jordan why he was baptized in verse 20, 29, here it is. The next day, he saw Jesus coming toward him and said, behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. This is he of whom I said, after me comes a man who ranks before me because he was before me. I myself did not know him, but look what he says for this purpose, I came baptizing with water that he might be revealed to Israel. And so I'll let you all finish reading, but his reason for baptizing Jesus so that he can be revealed. And so they will know this is the one who's spoken of and the validity for that, the validation of that was that the spirit came down. John saw the spirit coming down. I wonder how it looked, but still he saw the spirit coming down resting on Jesus and a voice from heaven, God speaking, saying, this is my son whom I'm well pleased. Well, he's baptizing other people. That didn't happen, but with Jesus, there it is. And so he says, for this reason, that's why I was sent to baptize. That's why Jesus, did Jesus need to be baptized? No. Is there anything that Jesus lacked or needed because of baptism? No. And so any other baptism is not like Jesus's, nor for the same purpose. So let's go ahead and dispense with that misconception. Secondly, we talked about this whole issue of being baptized. In John three, look what Jesus says. He says that before, and this is chronological, before a person can see the kingdom of heaven or the kingdom of God, he says, first the person must be born again. Well, what does born again mean? It can mean one or two things. To be born a second time or to be born from above. We know it's not a second time because that's what Nicodemus thought. Jesus corrects him on that. So it must be born from above. But notice he goes from saying, from being born again, to now saying being born of water and spirit. He says in verse five, he cannot enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and spirit. So clearly born of water and spirit also equals being born again. So he's saying the same thing different ways, born again, born of water and spirit. And then he's gonna say it another way, a different way. He says instead of that, he says that which is born of flesh is flesh, that which is born of spirit is spirit. Verse seven, do not marvel that I said to you, you must be born again. But look what he says down here. So it is with everyone who was born of the spirit in verse eight. So now a third way of stating it, born again, born of water and spirit and then born of spirit. Are those three different things or the same thing said three different ways? It's the same thing said three different ways. And here we have an example of the ep-exegetical chi, born of water and spirit. Born of water, that is the spirit. That's what the word of the term ep-exegetical is. So to say being born of water, that is the spirit. Which is why he says being born of the spirit. Where do we get that from? Ezekiel 36 verse 25, because Jesus is getting on Nicodemus for saying you're a teacher of Israel and you don't know this, well, how should Nicodemus have known this? Well, it's actually written. So Ezekiel brings this up in chapter 36. Verse 25, it says, this is God speaking, I will sprinkle you with clean water. Notice the emblems, the things that are used that are spoken of, water and spirit. Those are two elements that were spoken of in John three and also spoken of in Ezekiel 36. I will sprinkle clean water on you and you shall be cleaned from all your uncleannesses and from all your idols, I will cleanse you. And I will give you a new heart and a new spirit. The second element, spirit, and I will put within you and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh and I will put my spirit within you. Let's just go ahead and stop there. And so here we have those two elements put in involved that we see in John three, water and spirit. They are ep-exegetical, water that is spirit. And so this isn't all that difficult if you understand it that way. And then the same thing is in play here in Acts 238. It says, and Peter said that then repent and be baptized. You're just ep-exegetical repent. That is to be baptized every one of you and in doing so you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. It's not two distinct acts or three distinct acts that are happening. It's all together. Now we know that we've got examples in the Bible of people who believed and then or at least the Bible didn't tell us they were not baptized. Acts 1312, I'll let you read on your own. Acts 1348 says they were saved, they believed but we don't see them being told to be baptized. They asked, well, what should I do to be saved? Peter says, believe and you shall be saved. But their response was, his response was to believe and you shall be saved. Paul also says in 1 Corinthians that he didn't come to preach baptism or to baptize but instead to preach the gospel. Well, then wait a second, Paul. If baptism is necessary, why don't you preach that either? Because it's not, not the water baptism, which is what is stated in 1 Peter 321. He says there's this antitipus, antitupum. There's a symbolism. There's something that kind of corresponds with baptism that saves us but it's not this water baptism. It's an antitipus that saves us. It is what really saves us. It's his spirit baptism, which is why John says I baptize with water, but Jesus is gonna baptize you with the Holy Spirit. Now, one of them brings up John, I'm sorry, not John, Acts 10, 44. Let's go there. I wanna point out something to you guys that I think is pretty interesting that they seem to gloss over. Let's put it on the screen. And when Peter said these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard. So Peter speaking, they believe and the Holy Spirit falls and follow this chronology, follow how this works out. And the believers, which is what I mean, and the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles for they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God. So now, here we've got these people who are listening, they believe, they receive the Holy Spirit and then there's an evidence of them speaking in or receiving the Holy Spirit because they're speaking in these tongues. Then what happens? Verse 47. Peter declared, can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus. Then they asked him to remain for some days. Now, is this proof that you have to be water baptized to be saved? This is proof that you don't have to be water baptized to be saved. Why? Because they were saved first, received the Holy Spirit. And in this case, also spoken in these languages where they had to, because it's these Gentiles and so now we're getting this example. But then they get baptized in water. They were saved before they got baptized in water, which knocks out the point that you don't need to be water baptized. Now, again, we're talking about water baptism, but also we're talking about being able to understand the scriptures properly, being able to read to, not taking your own preconceived notions of what genomes or so what else has told you that must be so that you are blinded by your affection for someone else or your lack of desiring to hear. But the scriptures are clear. Here's a clear example of people who are saved prior to being water baptized. And we don't know how long it took for them to be baptized. Were they baptized five seconds later, five minutes, five hours later, a day later? We don't, we do not know. He just says, can anyone forbid water that these people should be baptized? And they were baptized. How long did it take? We don't know, but however long it took in between the time that they've got baptized in water and the time that the Holy Spirit is filling them, they were saved for however long it was. And so, yeah, I would say this, the example is, and I should be able to do the same thing. If I say so, the example is, I don't have a problem with sent up and talking to you We don't have a problem with if those of us who adhere to and love and cherish, sound doctrine and leaning on the word of God, we don't mind, don't mind being wrong. Don't mind the possibility of being wrong. To go in and speak with someone, if it's one on one or two on one or three on one, in this case, six on one and these six do not like me or at least five of them, definitely don't think that I'm the biggest dummy of the idiot of the year, no problem. And show me where I'm wrong. Go back and watch this video, they did not, they stated their points, thought I was evil and so forth, look in the chats, no problem. You didn't prove your point, as a matter of fact, you proved my point and you still have never stated that if we can find someone who has been saved without being baptized, then that nullifies their point with their quiet on that part because that kills, that vitiates that destroys their argument. But again, the bigger point is that willing to go and talk with someone who disagrees with me, no problem. If it's like John Snow in Game of Thrones, got my sword out and the whole army's coming, don't matter, I will fight you. Why? Because I feel confident. I feel confident in his word, not in my emotions, not in some other preacher, but his word. And if I lose, well then hey, no problem. If I'm shown to be wrong, no problem. Because if I'm shown to be wrong, not a bad thing, it's a good thing because now guess what? I just learned something new. Amen.