 Good evening everyone. Welcome to the nice common council meeting Before we call the meeting to order we always ask our city clerk to read the quote for the week. Thank you The bad news is time flies. The good news is you're the pilot Call the 50th regular meeting of the common council to order. Please call the roll born here both Gisha Hannah here Heidemann Kittlesen Clowness Manny Meyer Montemayor Rinflaige Ryan Smith excuse Vanderwheel excuse for hassled and wongamon 14 present forms present Woman born with your leaders in the pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Vice President born Next time my agenda is approval of the minutes Thank you, Mr. Mayor, I would make a motion to approve the minutes motion in second under discussion They're being done one favor say aye any opposed Motion carries minutes are approved Confirmation of mayor's appointments the target McLean Thank you, your honor. There's two of them hereby submit the following appointment for your consideration Mark safest to be considered for appointment to group health insurance committee as the employee representative for Mead Public Library with the term expiring 430-08 signed by the mayor in motion to confirm President Hannah thank you, Mr. Mayor. I make a motion to confirm the appointment second motion in a second to confirm under discussion Oh, thank you, sir. Thank you, your honor. I just would like to address the resignation of Ernest or maybe most of us know him as Mike Kepler. He had knee surgery and and it is made a little bit more difficult I served with him on this On a capital improvements commission and and his absence from the city on committees because of his illness will be sorely missed And that pertains to the next appointment confirmation Thank you old man. Gisha. Oh, sorry Any further discussion? Not all in favor say aye. Any opposed motion carries appointments confirmed David clean and David gas to be considered for appointments of the redevelopment authority to fill the unexpired term of earn a stem Kepler Whose term expires 430-11 signed by the mayor and I need a motion to confirm Motion to confirm second motion in second and those nice Words that all of the dishes said applied to mr. Kepler in this case. This is where mr. Kepler is being replaced any discussion There being on all in favor say aye. Any opposed motion carries Appointments confirmed Next item on the agenda as we have a proclamation for mr. Mr. Louise Urbina. Would he please come forward? Just just Mr. Urbina mr. Louise Urbina is the the founder and the Trainer and you could say director for the local boxing club Mr. Urbina has done just an incredible amount of good not only to the community and putting back a shabuigan on the map in terms of Boxing but also in helping a lot of children a lot of youth that That have benefited from the discipline that he teaches through the art of boxing He's just been an outstanding citizen for the city of shabuigan. I wanted to recognize him today Proclamation whereas Louise Urbina is dedicated to serving the youth of shabuigan County and whereas Louise Urbina organized the shabuigan boxing club in 1999 with with his own garage serving as a gym and whereas in 2001 he used his own money to purchase Equipment and rent space for a gym and what is known as the Epco building and whereas Louise is more than qualified to act as a coach and trainer for the boxing club is he enjoyed a very successful amateur boxing career that included not less than 186 bouts Whereas Louise has won eight golden glove tournaments and a national title and Whereas in addition to being a volunteer coach and trainer for the boxing club Louise employment is as a trainer mentor for youth at risk within shabuigan County and Whereas Louise and his wife gale serve as foster parents to children with disabilities And had given will over 50 children a temporary home now. Therefore. I want Perez by the power vested in me Do extend my personal thanks to Louise Urbina for all his contributions to the youth of our community and in making shabuigan County a Destination for amateur boxing. Mr. Urbina. Thank you for all the good work. You do like to say good evening everyone. I Just got a couple of people that I need to thank thank, you know, thanks for making this happen I got Dave Michael Larry Samet Doug cook Thank you from the pole the field house at triple play Paul Wagner and Charlie Rasky Dr. Curtis Hancock for his help at the commission Dave Lubeck the shabuigan press Joel Stefan from the beacon And the blemish review Harry Grusser City TV channel 8 and don't boo Since he's the state champion 2007 champion and also 2007 Golden Glove champion and right now. He's competing with the top opponents at the nation right now Okay, so don't go comes from the shabuigan boxing club area Thank you all the next item Next item on the agenda is a presentation of certificates of recognition to department of public works employees needles frangers and the bear billman Are they here? Please come in So I thought I could be wrong They see now I know I can see here this This recognition here again, we talk about mr. Rizal be not having just a wonderful heart and wanted to help out in the community do things that are really great in Shabuigan we have a lot of good kind given people they give in all forms in this case We had two city employees who gave just by their nature of their good heart Systems that was critical at that time and this certificate of recognition is presented to bear billman In recognition of coming to the aid of Angelina doctorie who broke and sprained her ankle while playing with two small children at Romer Park on October 24th 2007 while spreading wood chips with fellow employee Neil Sprangers You assisted in transporting her to for medical attention and watching her children until a neighbor could arrive this doctorie Doctorie was most grateful because both her husband and father-in-law were out of town and had no one to call Because of your compassion response you became family for this thankful very thankful citizen a commending for your efforts and issue this certificate of recognition Again, it was two of them that did the did the volunteer work for this lady And this was presented to Neil Sprangers in recognition of coming to the aid of Angelina And I hope I pronounce in this last name correctly Doctorie who broke and sprained her ankle while playing with two small children at Romer Park on October 24th 2007 while spreading wood chips with fellow employee bear billman You assisted in transporting her to medical attention and watching her children until a neighbor could arrive This doctorie was most grateful because her husband and father-in-law were out of town and had no one to call and Because of this compassion you also became family to this very thankful citizen. I commend you in your efforts and I don't want to say anything. Thank you very much appreciate it. We're proud to have you as a place of station boy Next item on the agenda is a lecture to board of waterworks commissioners president Hanna Well, thank you, mr. Mayor. I move that nominations be received from the floor voting to be done by open ballot And if more than one more than two candidates are nominated the candidate with the lowest number of votes be dropped from the list The balloting continue until one candidate receives a majority second motion and second any discussion on that motion All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed motion carries. Are there any none? Are there any nominations? Do you want me to do I need to formally nominate these two gentlemen? Okay, okay? Art Stewart and Mark Hines Both have submitted their resumes and letters of interest to us. So I would make a motion to nominate each of them second motion and second to nominate mr. Art Stewart and Mark Hines as candidates for the off for the position or office of Elected Board of Waterworks Commissioner. There was a motion and a second all in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. We will proceed with the election Alderman will be handing out ballots. This is an open ballot There's a space here for you to sign and then there's a space below for you to Print which person you would like to have as the new commissioner It would either be art Stewart and you have these names on your desk Or it would be Mark Hines. So please print the name of the person you are voting for on here The candidates mr. Stewart and mr. Hines would any of you like to address the council? No, it's one up and see only one is here. Yeah, okay Okay, then let's proceed with the election then. Thank you Orman you have elected as a new water Water commissioner art Stewart. Congratulations. Mr. Stewart. Okay? You'll proceed with the agenda next item is public forum Henry Capitulo Mr. Capitulo, can you give me your home address, please? Yes, that's 1619 North 38th Street, and that's in the town of Sheboygan Okay, and you will have five minutes sir Okay I'm here to discuss the necessity to have open and transparent government several months ago I had the opportunity to meet with several alderman to discuss the benefits and perceive disadvantages Of open government and the free flow of information to the residents of the city of Sheboygan Why is it so important for individuals within a community to have as much information about their elected officials? What their elected officials are doing as it pertains to raising taxes giving tax breaks to developers Undertaking new services that will commit additional tax revenue and selling or giving away of city property The answer to the question is the building of constituents trust as it pertains to their elected officials in the latest poll The president's favorability rating is 33 percent the congressional favorability rating is 36 percent According to these figures it seems that the general public is somewhat dissatisfied with with how things of the two entities are conducting their business My observation on the openness and transparency of city of Sheboygan government is that it seems to pick and choose When it wants to be open and readily disseminate information to the general public on pending issues For example, when the Walgreens wanted to when Walgreens wanted to build a new store on North Avenue and Calum and Drive The city was quite willing to listen to the residents to find in the area to find out how they felt about the construction of the Walgreens store I remember reading various articles in the Sheboygan press that the city planning commission held several public meetings To ascertain the wishes of the residents of the area. In fact Walgreens had to make various Reservations to their initial plan in order for the planning commission to approve the building of the Walgreens store It is just is it just a coincidence that the new construction projects require the city planning commission to hold public Hearings before any plans can be approved through the city of Sheboygan Another example of just the opposite was the city of Sheboygan approving the city of Sheboygan fire department to take over the ambulance service for the city of Sheboygan and thereby committing hundreds of thousands of tax dollars For future spending if I recall the poll that was conducted by the Sheboygan press Showed an overwhelming opposition to the city taking over the ambulance service Why was this issue treated so different than the building of the Walgreens store as it pertains to public input? Could it be that the city Was required to hold specific public hearings for the building of the Walgreens store Could it be the requirement of the city to hold public hearings that garnered the concerns of the neighborhood residents? I truly believe that what was that was the deciding factor on permitting public input my recommend recommendation to the alderman That I met with and previously was as specifically to require the city of Sheboygan to hold public hearings as It pertains to the city of Sheboygan raising taxes giving excessive tax breaks to developers Undertaking new services that will commit large additional tax revenue dramatically reducing specific tax Pacific City Department budgets in a manner that will adversely affect the public safety and well-being of the residents of the city Sheboygan and selling or giving away city property Even by holding public hearings that would still not obligate the city to do what the residents of the city are expressing If it feels that their actions are for the better good of the community One of the things that the public hearings would accomplish would be that the city would have to make a substantial argument to the residents of Sheboygan to support their particular stand on specific controversial issues By doing so the city would be obligated to disclose information on specific items that they wanted to act on as it pertains to the aforementioned items for example To show the lack of public disclosure Here are some of the issues that have occurred during the initial construction of the police department building I found out that the city of Sheboygan asked the county for the granting of an easement for an adjacent land So that the city could construct the proposed communication tower It is my understanding that the county was not willing to allow the easement and told the city that they would have to buy Additional adjacent county land for the construction of the communication tower in the location that the city wanted I believe that the city has purchased or is going to purchase the additional land This information was obtained through an open records request to the county It is also my understanding that the city asked the county to access some of the utility infrastructure during the initial construction Of the police department building and the county denied the city's request That is why the superior avenue construction occurred It is also my understanding that city asked the county to allow the city to have access to their highway department entrance So they could have additional access to the police department building Yes, but the county denied the city's request You may say well, these are just small issues that really do not seriously affect the construction of the building the police department building Yes, you may be right But what it does show is that the relationship between the city and the county may be strained Is it not hard to understand why the county was not willing to grant the city's request when they Had to find out that the city was going to be taking over the ambulance service And thereby putting the county in a somewhat delicate situation since they are responsible for the remainder of the county residents and They were made aware of this through the media as the general public How hard would it have been for the mayor and the council president to meet with the county administrator and the county board Chairman to inform them on the issue of the city taking over the ambulance service This should have been done just out of professional courtesy to the county and their elected officials Not only should city residents be made aware of such important issues But other entities that are going to be affected should also be informed By being more open with controversial issues The minute is up. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much That's it. Thank you. Okay. Thank you very much. Mr. Capetillo for addressing the council Next item on the agenda is mayor's comments Just wanted to share some brief thoughts with you with respect to the budget and the Taylor Heights study that we're presently working on the budget continues to be a very difficult one We felt that the when the finance committee met in special session the issue of Balance in the budget and coming up with a with a fairly good budget Was was over apparently it's not we have found out from the state that the the revenue that we were expecting from the assessments on manufacturing actually Went down to the tune of about two three hundred and thirty thousand dollars approximately That is revenue that we were Expecting and quite frankly An assumption was made that we would get that revenue and this is how we put our budget together We're not in this we're not unique to that a lot of cities had done the same thing They had budgeted what they had been getting before Someone found out just like we did Thursday late Thursday or Friday morning that Folks you're not getting that money how the assessments went down so the The matter with the budget I will have to handle that where we're we're looking at some options To come up with an additional three hundred thirty thousand dollars for in order to keep the budget where was that and in order to have six additional police officers and a captain of CID and in order to have The the same level of service now in every department I believe maybe one or two may have cut a little bit, but the major departments Probably works. I believe they're went up to about ten percent their budget went up from last year police went up Firefight fire department their budgets went up. So you're not cutting At the core of what people perceive to be incredibly important to shaboy and To the contrary you've been very responsive to the people of shaboy And when they when they've asked for more police presence out in the community, you've been very responsive to that to that plea And I commend you for that When we are responsive to issues like that that cost money My job and the finance department to try to find out where that money is gonna come Luckily, I've had some very good assistance from the finance committee this year You've done remarkably well and helping me out. I appreciate all of you all women doing that The budget is not done yet. That's the bottom line So we will have to make some changes somewhere in between here and November 26 The week before November 26th. There is a special meeting of the council To have a public hearing and then on the on the November 26th When you actually approve the budget and there will be a special Hearing for that too if people would like to address the council then If any of you have any questions regarding The situation it says now and you need further information feel free to call me and be glad to sit down with you and talk to you The other issue is a Taylor Heights study as you know Walmart moved from the Taylor Heights shopping center so to speak After that different businesses have been moving out the area is in dire need of help We have not been ignoring that we have not been just letting it go by and not doing anything about it We Paulette Andrews through city development and myself have been thinking about that quite a bit and you the council Approve a bid for a consultant to work with us to see what we can do to help that area develop It there's good. They're going to look at an array of things traffic lights lighting Maybe you reconfiguring entrances and exits and how do we put the right mix together there of all the businesses it could Conceivably come there. How do we create that right mix there? And at the same time create the right mix at dovetails with what's already at the mall because a mall Just being close proximity to that area plays a huge part in that the mall Starts to decline that area will to the traffic the volume is not there The bottom line is Hallerman. We are working on it. Paulette has put together an administrative team We'll be looking at that. There will be public hearings on that too Just as there always are when we do critical issues like this when we deal with critical issues There will be public hearings There will be a stakeholder input was referred a stakeholder input the people who live there in the neighborhood will have ample opportunity and time to express our concerns to us and We'll take it from there I will keep you posted as to how the situation develops and again if you have any questions in the meantime feel free to call me Okay. Thank you very much. We have a question all one bulk. Thank you Your honor just before we move down I want to make a statement about this Sunday being Veterans Day The last time I spoke it was Memorial Day and that holiday is specifically for Veterans who have given their lives in the service of the country this Sunday Veterans Day originally was about Celebrating the end of World War One and has now become, you know celebrating all veterans So I know that Alderman Heidemann and Alderman Ryan are former veterans and I just want to take this moment to Make sure the people out in TV land know that Sheboygan appreciates its veterans and this weekend is the weekend to say so Absolutely. Thank you sir Very well put Next item on the agenda is a hearing to rezone property located at 24 04 North Avenue from class SR 5 suburban residential 5 to class urban commercial classification. Is there anyone that would like to address the council? Is there anyone that would like to address the council? Is there anyone that would like to address the council president Hanna? Thank You mr. Mayor. I would make a motion to close the hearing second motion is second to close hearing under discussion There being none all in favor say aye. Aye any opposed motion carries hearing is closed Consent agenda president Hanna Thank You mr. Mayor. I'd make a motion that all Rows be accepted in place on file and that all our seas be accepted and adopted second motion and second under discussion All in place Thank You your honor on item number 15 that seven Public Works recommending filing a document regarding Ken Herman as difficulty with crossing the streets in Washington Is there anything that you can give me? I know it's been met with and it's been Also held on on table for a while like to know any resolution for it. Thank you Thank you. I'll McLean is all in my hair. Thank You your honor. Yes This issue has been addressed it was addressed in public works and in public protection and safety and they have worked on Fixing the the button so that it's lower so this gentleman can touch it. He's in a wheelchair and I believe the issue has been taken care of Thank you all in my hair all McLean is Thank you anything else Under discussion consent agenda There'll be no more discussion. Please call the roll Warren Gisha Hanna Heidemann Kittleson Clayunas Manny Meyer Montemayor Rin Flesch Ryan for hassled and Wongamon 14 eyes motion carries communications and petitions 1520 and 21 to be referred the port of officers to 1522 by the city clerk Submitting a petition from various people in the surrounding area of North Avenue and Kellerman Drive and other parts of the city Stating that they support the Walgreens development of at North Avenue and Kellerman Drive and asked that the council approve the project President Hanna, thank you. Mr. Mayor. I would make a motion to accept and file Motion and second under discussion President I'd just like to thank all the Citizens for taking time out of their schedules to express their concerns Also like to thank the folks at at Walgreens for working so hard to to come up with a compromise and acceptable Development thank you president Hanna Alderman bulked you wish to speak Okay Any further discussion on that being done All in favor say aye Any opposed motion carries 1523 by the city plan commission recommended vacating a portion of North 24th Street North of North Avenue All in what the mayor? Thank you, your honor. I moved to accept and file the RO and the ordinance be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion There is none. Please call the roll bulk Gisha Hanna Heidemann Kittlesen Clioness Manny Meyer Montemayor Rinflaich Ryan for hassle Wongamon and Boren 14 eyes motion carries 1524 by city plan commission recommended amendments zoning a property located at 2404 North Avenue from class SR 5 suburban residential 5 to class Urban commercial classification and passing the substitute ordinance Alderman Montemayor Thank you again, your honor. I moved to accept and file the RO and the substitute ordinance be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion There is none. Please call the roll Gisha Hanna Heidemann Kittlesen Clioness Manny Meyer Montemayor Rinflaich Ryan For hassled Wongamon Boren and bulk 14 eyes motion carries 1525 we will hold for 1526. I mean 1546 Hold 1525 for 1546 1526 lies over to November 26 1527 through 1545 to be referred Resolutions introduced three 1546 by Alderman bulk and Ryan authorizing entering into contract for obtaining EMS bill in collection services for the fire department And we will take 1525 along with that Alderman bulk. Thank you, your honor. I would move that We suspend the rules with regard to 1525 1526 motion second to the span. Is there any objection to suspension? There is none. Please proceed Thank you, your honor. I would move to accept and place 1525 on file and to put 1546 upon its passage Motion and second under discussion There is none, please call the roll Hanna Heidemann Kittlesen Clioness Manny Meyer Montemayor Rinflaich Ryan Excuse me for hassled Wongamon Boren bulk Angisha 14 eyes motion carries 1547 by Alderman Hanna Boren and Gisha authorizing entered into an agreement between the city of Sheboygan and Kmart Regarding the payment of unpaid personal property taxes president Hanna Thank you, mr. Mayor. I would put the resolution upon his passage second motion and second under discussion Attorney McLean as I would suggest that there be suspension of the rules I think this is just coming in for the first time suspension and it's Regarding an expenditure Second motion second to spend any objection There is none. They had the motion to put the resolution upon his passage stands any discussion There is none. Please call the roll Heidemann Kittlesen Clioness Manny Meyer Montemayor Rinflaich Ryan for hassled Wongamon Boren bulk Yesha and Hannah 14 eyes motion carries 1548 and 49 lies over 1550 and 1551 lies over to November 26 1552 and 1555 to be referred Report of committee 6 1556 by public works Recommended filing documents submitted a communication from the family resource centers of Sheboygan County Incorporation Incorporated requesting an extension of their present lease and approving a six-month extension to the lease all the Meyer Thank you, Your Honor. I moved that the RC be accepted and adopted Motion and second under discussion There being on all in favor say aye any opposed motion carries 1557 by finance Recommended filing documents submitted an agreement from Kmart and certain of his subsidiaries and affiliates regarding 2001 and 2002 Personal property taxes president Hannah. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I would move that the RC be accepted and adopted Motion and second under discussion There being on all in favor say aye any opposed motion carries Report of committees 7 1558 by finance recommended and or endorsing the early retirement incentive program With the caveat that the department's involved with the early retirement incentive program will repay over five years principle and interest to the special assessment fund president Hannah Thank You mr. Mayor. I would move that the RC be accepted and adopted second motion and second under discussion Turn the clean. Thank you, Your Honor. Just as a clarification The last sentence it reads city departments comma police fire streets and sanitation cemetery in park It's my understanding that Should be the intent is that it's the following city departments police fire streets and sanitation cemetery in park and not all city departments Is that the understanding of the committee? Okay? Any other questions? There be no more please call the roll Kittleson Clowness Manny myer Montemay or Ryn Flesch Ryan for hassled Wongamon Boran bulk yes, sir. Hannah and Heidemann 14 eyes motion carries 15 59 by finance recommended filing RC number 226 0708 by public protection and safety who met and reviewed the recommended 2008 budgets of the police department and the fire department president Thank You mr. Mayor. I would Make a motion the RC be accepted and adopted second motion and second to accept and adopt under discussion There being none, please call the roll Clowness Manny Myer Montemay or Ryn Flesch Ryan Excuse me. Thank you for hassled Wongamon Boran bulk yes, sir. Hannah Heidemann and Kittleson 14 eyes motion carries 15 60 almond handed you want to hold that? Or do you want to? Okay, president Hannah all in all in born vice president born excuse me Thank You your honor I needed a clarification on this from city attorney 1560 came before the last finance committee meeting and it came to the council tonight without recommendation Because there was three of us at finance It was a tie vote between all of them Gisha and myself and all of them Hannah abstained I See no reason why we should call another council meeting to address this because at the finance committee meeting both of the Proposals for the health insurance were on the table and it came forward with no recommendation If we call a special council meeting We're going to have the same two plans on the table again that came forward with no recommendation I see no reason why we can't go ahead and discuss this tonight There's a good there's going to be no additional information if we call another council meeting later this week We already have the information and I think most of the older persons have had a chance to to study the issue and discuss it tonight Are you all vice president barron? We're referring to possibly have an action on that About having action on that tonight. Yes It was that we dealt with if I'm thinking what you're thinking we dealt with that. It's a procedural matter There's no document other than that and the document for the council is that there was no recommendation There is no resolution attached to that before council acts on any on anything There has to be a document in this case. The only document here is That the finance committee made no recommendations. So as a report of committee That's all you can act that on if you if we are to act on any issue that deals with numbers or money and Things of that nature there has to be a document. So that's where the special meeting would come in. It's procedural Trim clean your honor. Thank you. Oh my born. That would be my opinion also. There's there should be Some document here some resolution or something to act on other than just Committee report that's making no recommendation. I think if there had been a resolution somewhere in the council packet here to act on one Plan or another I think you could act tonight, but because there's no Nothing before you for action by way of say resolution I Don't really think you it's appropriate to take any action on something that's not before you In the future you may want to Vote to make no recommendation but pass the document forward to the council for action And it was just that little piece that wasn't put in there Make a motion not to take any action, but we'd send this council this document to the council for action. So that may be Almond rehearsal Thank you, your honor is not the document the no recommendation. Isn't that that not the document itself? It there has to have been instances in recent years where documents have come back with no recommendations Where there have been stalemates as long as the document is attached to it no recommendation But the document gets forwarded to the council for action. Could you clarify then on documents that are pulled from committee? Where again, there would be no action taken no recommendation from a committee which happened not that long ago Yet we acted on the document, but there's a document before the council Right though in that case. I think there was a resolution that was in committee that pulled pulled out of committee And so he had something to act on here. You've just got a committee report and I think I Don't know what the plan is or what the The recommendation even of the group health insurance committee Formally is it's not spelled out. There should be some resolution That the council has in front of it to act on so it's clear what plan it is your Acting on okay, I apologize, but the RC in front of us here is number 231 0708 And even though it's not stapled or copied to the back of this document We've we vote on reports of committee all the time and the report of this committee is that there is no recommendation So it seems like we're maybe splitting hairs here Doesn't quite follow for me, I guess looking at past precedent with similar situations We is not the report of the committee that there is no recommendation that is the report That's our votes on we vote on reports of committee all the time So wait, I guess you could accept the report of the committee that there's no recommendation You could do that, but that's not Action on a health insurance plan Why is the document not attached then I guess let me ask the obvious question Because the finance committee made a made a Made a motion not to make any recommendation They did not say we make a motion not to make a recommendation and forward this document as far as the council for approval Before the full body, so what's the But it wasn't it what's it's not what's on that was on that report of committee So what what is the future of this document then if it goes? It's in committee with no recommendation That's it. That's it. That's all it is a reporter committee is what committee did or did not do in this case What they did is they made no recommendation that comes to us as a committee report that the finance committee made no recommendation But it did not include in that motion that although it's not making a recommendation We're still forwarding the document before us to the council for full action That's all I think Madam city clerk maybe just to clarify a little I think the confusing part is This document is an RC which is just a report of committee in order for the council to take action The action document would have been a resolution The resolution has to be drafted with the actual plan. There is no resolution with the actual plan. That's why An RC is just a report of committee The resolution is an action document for council the council has to draft an act or action document That's what's missing It's confusing to a lot of people all of it. Yes, I'll remember hassle Was that the intent of the committee then that it proceed in this fashion? That it come out in this way can I ask the chair was that the intent of Resistive to snafu a paperwork snafu that we're experiencing president Hanna Thank You mr. Mayor the intention of the committee Was because we were split I had to abstain because of my wife's employment Because of that our intention was to push it forward to the full common counsel for them to act on it, so All the person for hassled is quite correct Our intention all along was to have action tonight But that wasn't part of what the was moved in second and voted on what you voted on was not to take any action And it's confusing to a lot of people, but that's that procedural I could make the second McLean one further thing I would suggest if we're gonna have a special meeting that a resolution be drafted by someone Expressing whatever intent you want And have that submitted to the clerk so that that get on the agenda so that I think it's important on a Major change on a health plan that it be done by resolution so it's clear that what the plan is and that the council is Acting on that plan Okay, we have one more old man bulk. Thank you honor So how what would that document look like since there was no there was nothing resolved that evening there was no Arrival at a decision What would be forwarded? President Hanna as chairman can put together what his intent was in the form of a document a resolution brought before the council for action Which will be properly posted Or all in case that's right Just to follow on your please continue, but but the committee we have Option a and option b and we were unable to arrive at a decision on which one to recommend to the council So then by doing that both come to the council and we discuss it here And maybe this is procedure. Thank you your honor Maybe this is procedural as well Would it be appropriate and may I ask Chairman Hanna of the finance committee that perhaps we call there's going to be a special council meeting why not call a special finance meeting and actually have more than just the three of us there and Perhaps hash this out to get a recommendation Yay or nay out of that finance committee meeting to give some clarification of the issue once it hits this floor you can You'll have time to call a special meeting of the finance committee for Wednesday I would could already post the special meeting of the common council for Thursday Or it could be and we can have that document there Sure, we can do both of them with all of the issues you wish to further discussion Just that thank you your honor. I just that I think It was just Alderperson hander all the person born and myself with all the person and chairman Hannah having to abstain We have some very valuable members that I respect the input from all the members of our our committee And I I think if we're even sending it as a no recommendation, it would be nice was a little more recommendation No recommendation of all of us for on such an important issue versus just the bare minimum Thank you Thank You mr. Mayor with that I would like to make a motion to refer this document back to the finance committee Motion in second to refer 1560 back to the finance committee preferably a special meeting Was our second to that motion Who wants a credit Under discussion we have all my ring flesh Thank you, mr. Chairman. Thank you mr. Mayor Actually, I think with the document in hand the report of committee saying simply in committee We spoke and had no decision this can be filed the issue is still in the committee as long as it's Posted that it's going to be discussed in the finance committee While we're doing a sense at this point we'd be sending back a document saying that they had no recommendation Which they're already fully aware of so I think actually we can go ahead and just file this document because The issue is still at hand within the committee and they still have access to post that and create a resolution to come back to council So that's what we were trying to do All of them Ryan in that case your honor I will withdraw my motion and make a motion to file to get this over with this Motion second I think there was already motion the Florida file under Motion in second for to file 1560 I'm going to turn off all the lights under discussion on the motion 1560 to file All in Kittleson, thank you, mr. Mayor, then I just need to this is just procedural and And are we a lot? We still need to abstain those of us who need to abstain should still abstain even if it's a procedural No, I know to file this document. I don't think requires any abstention if you have any conflicts. Thank you Okay, I'm in Kittleson Okay, we there's a motion to file 1560 all in favor say aye any opposed one day 1561 through 1564 lies over to November 26 for part of committees 1565 lies over 1566 This is the the Trust funds where where you were moving some money to pay for the for the We borrowed some money to pay for the trust fund to pay towards the trust fund There may be a better alternative a better fiscal alternative and we want to have some opportunity to review that other alternative We'll bring that back at next meeting two weeks is plenty to look at the options and then bring it back next council meeting Jewish to speak president no, I was gonna say okay 1566 by finance recommended entering into contract for the purchase of program and services for the city assessors office president Hanna, okay, I would make a motion that the sorry That the RC be accepted and adopt second motion in second to accept and adopt and put that resolution upon his passage The resolution upon his passage and the second is okay with that. Okay, 1566 under discussion I mean on please call the roll Manny Myer Montemay or rin flash Ryan for hassled Wonka men Warren bow gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson and Clowness 14 eyes 1567 This one. I think instead of holding we should refer refer to the special out to the finance committee Like to make a motion all of them Ryan Mr. Mayer I'd like to make a motion to refer this back to the finance all right motion in second under discussion There is none all in favor say aye. I any opposed motion carries Ordinances introduced 10 1568 lies over 1569 and 1570 to be referred Matters laid over 11 Resolution 1433 resolution number 120708 by all the persons Hannah and Warren Clowness Bulk and Gisha authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2007 budget establishing appropriation for meat library vacation and sick leave apps severance From vacation and sick leave from reserves Establishing review and appropriations for the internal committee public relations Establishing revenue and appropriations for contributions for Independence Day celebration and Establishing revenue and appropriation for funds received from federal federal drug forfeitures Wow, that's a mouthful President Hannah Thank You. Mr. Mayer. This is a lot easier I'd move that the resolution be put upon its past second motion and second under discussion For being non, please call the roll Meyer Montemay or Rinflaich Ryan for hassled Wongamon Boran, hi, Bulk. Yes, yeah, Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clowness and Manny 14 eyes motion carries 1448 RC number 2 2 2 2 2 0 7 0 8 by the special committee on risk management submitting a claim from Brian and Laura Balman for alleged damages to their vehicle when a city garbage truck sites wiped the vehicle and Recommending paying the claim in the amount of 907 dollars and 15 cents Alderman Meyer. Thank you, Your Honor. I move that the RC be accepted and adopted Motion and second under discussion There being none, please call a roll Montemay or Rinflaich Ryan for hassled Wongamon Boran, hi, Bulk. Yes, yeah Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clowness Manny and Meyer 14 eyes motion carries other matters authorized by law 1571 lies over to November 26 Other matters attorney McLean 1572 is an arrow by the board of waterworks commissioners regarding An update on its April submittal That will be referred to finance 1573 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting communication from Dr. Elizabeth Strute requesting an encroachment at 2010 South 9th Street for the purpose of building and maintaining a retaining wall That will go to city plan commission 1574 is an ordinance granting Elizabeth Strute her heirs and assigns privilege of encroaching upon described portions of South 9th Street That will be referred to city plan commission also 1575 is an ordinance granting Elizabeth Strute her heirs and assigns privilege of encroaching upon described portions of South 9th Street for That different purposes than the prior documents. I'm sorry. Excuse me. That will also be referred to city plan 1576 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting communication from David Lutzky Requesting an encroachment for the purpose of building and maintaining a chain link fence and would also go to city plan commission 1577 is an ordinance granting David Lutzky his heirs and assigns the privilege of encroaching upon described portions of North 2nd Street and Lincoln Avenue For the purpose of building and maintaining a chain link fence and that goes to city plan also 1578 is a committee report by the municipal court advisory committee Submitting the monthly Financial report and that lies over 1579 is a resolution Authorizing a transfer of appropriations in 2007 budget that will be referred to finance the motion to adjourn Motion second to adjourn all in favor say aye Any opposed and adjourned