 Welcome to the 1878 FM podcast episode 34, it's a full house, it's a full house, Andy Busch has been on the infrared treatment table. He's been to Irene Drury, he's back available and ready for selection today, here he is, he's got that, he's got the, well, he's got the tape, you know that, that's funny enough, that's what they call his hair cut. Thank you. Unbelievable, let's move on, let's move on. Shall we get the photo right out of the way now and then move on to the happy thing, shall we? Right, okay, we are obviously recording this tonight after everything blue and in my opinion blue, another two points, another opportunity for two points. Are they two to draw or less the city? Where do we stand fellas on a good point or two points dropped? Personally, I disagree with you Barry because I was, I think it was a good point gained on the whole balance of things, especially with them, you know, not scoring the penalty. I was actually, I was actually quite pleased that we got something out of it personally. I mean, I know that we needed the three points, but we could have come away with nothing, so I'm actually not too despondent about last night. Do you know what, I feel like it was a bit of a missed opportunity, like the performance was better, you know, improvement in terms of getting stuck in and obviously we've folded in the past couple of games, but I was looking at that last 20 minutes where Leicester's fans were on their back and they were wobbling a little bit. I just, I couldn't understand why he didn't throw grey on or something like that. It was just, it reminded me, what was that game with Lampard that last season where it was it waffled away where he just bowled it a little bit and didn't go for it and just sat on the point and I feel like it was kind of like a carbon copy of that a little bit. So, I mean, there's improvements in there for definite like they, they're better and just having Calvallu and up front galvanised the team because there's someone to aim for a little bit. But yeah, I'm not doubting Dyche because I do believe that he's the kind of guy that's going to sort the team out and get us back together again, but there's just been a couple of tactics. I mean, when we get relegated. Yeah, yeah, essentially. I just think tactically, sometimes I don't always agree with what he's doing, but I don't know how you guys feel about it. I think he's, I think he's had a mess since the core. I got sent off. I think up until the spares game in the core, I got sent off. I think he'd done everything what you could expect of him. He'd done really well. Well, it's probably more than you could expect of him. I think since that Tottenham game, his team selection and his decision making has been woeful. Play continuing with Michael Cain. It's a huge issue for me. The sub thing last night. I agree with both of what you're saying, but Dave, you're right. We could have been three, one of the penalties had gone in, but I've done scores and it goes to two, which he should have done. It's a different game again, isn't it? But I think they're not going for it the last 20 when they were there. I understand he's probably thinking, well, don't lose it, and then they don't get away from us, but Dave, our players would look dead on the feet for the last 20. I don't know how many more opportunities we're going to get for that cat. Dave Goldie was the man of the match. Dave was terrible though, wasn't he? Dave was rubbish. I didn't think, obviously, the core I shot, I genuinely thought that was in and he was made. Obviously. It was very safe. Keep it up, I've never had off as the game of his life. Only got him in January. He was in about three weeks ago. He has the game of his life. We should have gone for it, because these opportunities are running out. I'm very much like the Forrest game. I think it's a huge missed opportunity. I am sort of, I understand Dave's point. You do sort of feel like, well, we got something and it was a crazy frantic game. It could have been 3-1 down. But I just think, when you look at the next two fixtures, I just think it's a huge missed opportunity. It's another in isolation. It's a decent game. Yes, decent point. At what point? I think you look at something like Bournemouth have won six of the last nine games. That must be down to mentality more than anything. You go for it, don't you go for it? I think last night was just one way. I don't know what he would have done off the bench. Maybe grey, maybe come on. Or grey, especially against Leicester. That's actually something that is really baffling. You would have thought of all the games. All the opposition rather. They were so tired. They were genuinely like McNeill. I think a technical term is blowing out of his ars for Leicester. That's the thing as well. It wasn't even a case of making subs for the sake of going to win the game. I was worried that someone was going to make a little mistake. That was going to lead to a goal. Michael Keane should have been dragged off at half-time. He is horrendous. Nobody is though. There's a lot of talk. There's a lot of talk that we were going to drop on last night. That was even from people in the press. They're probably going to drop on tonight. It might be a game too far. That gets back to him. Before the game, he started to feel a little bit of pressure. The whole game, he just looked so off. He did that thing on 39 against Newcastle. Funny enough, I was trying to show Ned this last week. I've got to try and make him a better play. I love a bit of coaching. Tying in your back on anybody in a football match. It's a no-no. He done it the other day when he got spun inside out. Last night, the one-way Vardy hit the crossbar. Jesus Christ! It's like a spinning top. When Vardy makes the run for the second goal, he's laddle bit him. Look how far away he ends up. Look how far away Vardy ends up away from a 36-year-old son. He looked like Stato on his cart. There was some classic old Lampard season Everton mistakes coming back in again. I thought Pickford, I know he saved the penalty, but he had one of those nights where he was scaring the life out of me. He should have saved the equaliser for me. Straight arm back goalkeeper. I won't be giving the ball away in that position of the pitch to set up there. Was that their second goal? That's the killer, isn't it? He scored a good goal, we believed he was treffel. No, he was there. Floating crosses him when we had five minutes. Am Dwight McNeill near the end, we'd loaded a box and a pair of them just do that little thing. I didn't think Dwight McNeill played well. No, he was there. I always say I don't understand how he's a professional football player. I thought Paterson was pretty good when he came on. He did a couple of weird things. We kept the ball in play on that right hand side. He did one. I don't understand what he was trying to do, but he's in that situation. I've got to try and impress this fella that loves centre backs playing everywhere else. It's really odd though with him, isn't it? I find the overlooking of him really strange. He must find it strange as well. That would explain his body language a little bit when he comes on. It's strange the fact that Lampard wasn't having him, and Dyche isn't having him. I think he's got a lot to lean. I think he's positioning. We're not exactly spoiled for choice in that position. I like the kid, but I think he has got a lot to lean. He's positioning when he's defending. He gets pretty side on rather than attacking. No one else wants to say he's got... But he's hardly played. He's played double figures this season. I'm not sure he has in terms of starting games. No, not that problem. We don't play like other teams in the Premier League do. Look at Wolves or Bournemouth or whatever. It's so disjointed. We're crap, aren't we really? I think especially when you look... I mean, I watch Bournemouth Leeds on Saturday. Watching that, I mean, yes, Leeds were poor, but it's no surprise that Bournemouth have got themselves out of it. I'm watching them kind of thinking, do you know what, they're a really good side? I mean, they're far better side than us. I'm not sure there's a better side. What I look with Everton is that Everton have got some good footballers. And they've got, you can tell, levels and ability, right? But no matter what, I don't know what it is. But even with, like, under Anti-Lot, nope, they're never able to put anything... But isn't it just mentioned, Bournemouth Day, they've had nearly a season under O'Neil. He's been left alone. He's brought some decent players in. And he's just... Some teams never seem like they're firefighting, but we're always firefighting. So it's always... There's never a style of play where you go. I mean, I know Flamper was trying to begin this season, but it was idiotic to play out the back. But there's never been a time, in the last maybe five years, maybe Marco was trying to do something, but there's never been a time where someone's gone, like, this is the way we're going to do it. And actually we're going to buy players to do it and everyone's all in. It's firefighting all the time. It's a direct or a football thing, though. You look at Arsenal. Arsenal got an intrinsic way that they want to play football and the manager appointment fits into their scheme. So if the manager was to leave the next day, they carry on with that room of trying to play this type of football. We talked about this before on this podcast. It's every time we get someone in, clear out the backroom staff, then they have tried a different way by new players. That person gets clear out the backroom staff, different style of football. It's just like... I mean, God knows we've moaned about the plan on this so much. There isn't a plan. We haven't got a plan. We're just... How do we get to that stuff? Get to that because I know what Blake Pett's saying. It does always seem to be, like, get the next bucket of sand and put that fire out there or whatever because it's difficult. I don't know whether this fella's going to last. I think if Evan get relegated, he'll be shocked. And I don't know whether... Andy, honestly, right, for half a season, if you can't keep Evan up for half a season, then why should he keep his job, really? The stats are starting to look ropey. He's won one game in 10. And people will call him for Frank at one game. Don't get me wrong, I'm not. But then the other side of it... He shouldn't have done. He shouldn't have kept Frank. But the other side of it is that if they do go down, is he not the best equipped to deal with that? Is he, though? I don't know, is he? I don't know. I mean, I don't know. That's a good point. We've got a set of assumed things about Diedge, haven't we? We've taken just... I feel it always makes you feel like a mug being a Nevitonian because I'm going to be right behind Frank. This is it. He's the kind of guy that, even if we go down, I'd love to go back up with him again, because he was trying to mould us in the right way. Because we want to, Andy, though. It's because we want to back someone. I've been for a ride all the time. It's embarrassing, though. It makes me feel embarrassed. Don't be embarrassed. Don't be embarrassed. The only reason I'm asking the question is, because I'm just talking to try to get away where we're all saying what we'd like. You're absolutely right. Every one we get in, there's always something coming over the hill. You can never just go, this is what we're doing. Wouldn't it be lovely? Wouldn't it be lovely? I was seeing a bit of Sky Sports news yesterday, the sound of Stephen Schumacher, and I was like, wouldn't it be lovely to get someone in life? He was just talking to me, he was just talking to me, but he asked me at the end of the event game, he was just like, I don't even know if I can watch. He's just an absolute proper, proper Evertonian. And it wouldn't be lovely if you could get... Not now, obviously, he's just brought Plymouth up, but it wouldn't be lovely in a year or so to say we're going to go and get him, young up and coming late, someone who came through our use system, and I know you'll say Wayne, but there's a lot of pressure with Wayne, there's a lot of noise, but you could put Wayne in there, don't get me wrong. But wouldn't it be lovely if we had someone like Stephen Schumacher hand in hand with a good director of football, and we were like, we're going to put this forward now for the next five, six years, and this is our plan, up and coming manager, that we have to get relegated to do that. No, I don't know, but what I was going to say is... I think we do, I think we just need an absolute reset of things. I was going to say, sorry, Dave, just going to say that. It's someone like Stephen Schumacher who would say, this is the only place I want to be. This is literally the only place I want to be. Like the peak of it. This is my club, I love this club, and there's something we as Evertonians would find something special in life. I do, I fully believe that Shiree will be managing one day, and I hope he is. Shiree is it? Clang. That thing didn't say was it though, did I? I could have said was it. Anyway, listen, the thing I was thinking about the other day is there is only one positive, as I see it in terms of our very, very precarious predicament at the time, is that if we were to go down, which is wholly possible, I still can't get my head around it by the way. I mean, I think about this a lot. I think about it when I wake up, I think about it when I'm having my lunch, I think about it when I'm going to bed. I haven't been paddleboarding yet this season, or rather I haven't been paddleboarding since we've been in this predicament, but anyway. Dave refuses to paddleboard. That's what I'm relegating. Safety, that was tremendous. Listen, but the thing is that if we were to go down, the only good thing, as I see it at the moment, is that our stock would fall so much that actually we might therefore be a more attractive proposition to be taken over lock, stock and barrel, which as we all agree is the only way that things will become better out of Newcastle. You know what I mean? All of this kind of, you know, more board members investment to this extent, bloody, bloody, bloody. As long as this structure remains as it is and we cannot move forward and this was pronounced in the article, the brand's article that we were sharing on the thing where he was talking about all the stuff that we knew anyway about the fact that he didn't want Ron Don and he didn't want any of that kind of stuff and his hands were tied as director of football and until we actually have a proper clear out then I just don't see it moving forward and that's the only advantage that I can see at this moment in time about where we might end up. Because the board will be off the hook a little bit to get away with it again, do you know what I mean? So it's like well, they got us out of the situation so I don't want us to get relegated, of course I don't, but at the same time it's not the same anymore now. It's not the same as it was last season. It's a different district. I know what you mean, but I do feel it massively just because of the financial stuff. The feel and the feel. It's not I was watching that game really calm last night and I watched the Newcastle game really calm. I'm like you know in Mad Max when they're going into a battle situation to spray their face with silver paint. I'm like that now. Nothing can affect me. One thing I would say is though the season goes up and down and there's so many times you go oh there's gone, there's gone, there's gone. It does prove that you can you can evolve a team during the season. The team that you start with on day one is never the team you finished one on the last game of the season. It does evolve and that to me proves that you can make these changes during the season. If you are patient, if you do have a plan, if you do have a director of football who's in control, if you do have a manager who's got a plan and you're working every week the game doesn't just on the first game of the season you go that's it, it can evolve so much and I think that's the mentality Dyche is almost taken. It's like we'll take a point here it's like a road map and it'll be on a knife edge where it gets that right but I don't think it needs relegation to do that I've seen people say this of like you can go down and you can get rid of who you want and I think you can do that in the Premier League I think we've seen teams. You have to have a plan though. It's relegation, it's scary but it's more scary because the financial implications for us could be absolutely ridiculous and we don't know what they are and that's the scary factor for me and you've looked at barely the season and see how they've benefited it but that's because they almost had a plan for going down we definitely don't have a plan for going down because the people who are in charge now certainly shouldn't be in charge next season and that's the scary part of it. Isn't it a shame though because one thing that really came through last night was Robert Lewin finding his touch and everything and I don't know if he missed that sitter but it just shows what could have been and it's not bad luck because a lot of it is down to us we've made our own bed pretty much but it last night really made me think oh man if he had been back a bit earlier and we'd had him for a few more games things could have been quite different. I honestly believe if he had been fit the majority of the season there wouldn't have been nowhere near in trouble there wouldn't have been 12th, 11th, 12th, 13th nor in any kind of danger because we are just a different team of them we just look more dangerous side but it does show you that it was Alex Obie's second goal of the season last night that's me these players in the final third have got to score we've got to get better players to score goals midfielders have got to be scoring 6, 7, 8, 9 centre midfield players for us to move forward and hopefully we don't go down and hopefully we don't go down and we can start to turn things around because otherwise staying up to be in the same position in 12 months the frustration is that this should have been what happened 12 months ago this should have been what happened 12 months ago we all knew the situation then and it's no different to what it is now but we all breed the sigh of relief after the Palace Games thinking this will never happen again and here it has happened again and this is also the reason for a fact that there's no plan for next season wherever they find themselves because there was no plan for this season if there is changes though and we're led to believe there will be changes then you'd like to think that those changes would bring a different attitude and a different mentality maybe we've got to believe that haven't you because otherwise what is the point if we're just going to say that you're right Dave, you're absolutely right but we've got to have that and I guess it's like Andy said that's why we keep investing in people in the hope that they are the ones who at least make it nice to watch everything again you know that absolutely but again keep going back to the brand thing it actually sort of explains the entire machinery period arguably if you like when you think about you've said this so many times before we've had good managers at this club and all very different managers and none of them have worked out whether it be Cooman whether it be Silver we've had some really really good managers and it hasn't worked out for whatever reason or rather now we believe that whatever reason and again going back to that famous video of brands having the argument leaving the main stand and then it being spelt out the fact that his job clearly as director of football was to advise and make decisions of key footballing matters and the fact that he didn't want Benitez and he didn't want Rondon and was overruled by the owner seemingly who clearly knows nothing about football we know that that's well documented and you're just going to think well where we find ourselves now in terms of some of these catastrophic decisions criminal negligence I'll tell you a little story about the Benitez situation Benitez brought in his own recruitment team he takes them everywhere like his little mafia and when brands were trying to bring in Denzel Dumfries which we were massively linked with and they were actively working against brands to make sure that Dumfries didn't come in and then they basically put him on garden and leaf for the rest of the season to the point where the famous clip of him where he's being asked by the fan after the derbyn is like it's other people so the machine he basically gave all the power to Benitez and didn't but at the same time didn't give Benitez any money so he was actively sad lined completely sad lined him and it does go back absolutely right it actually does go back to the one moment where he decided on a Sacmarco silver against the wishes of him and you know you know at the time Baz wanted him to stay and I've got no issues with that at all at the time I want I didn't really particularly like him because I thought it's just the way he came across just was poor but that was a massive crossroads that forever and because that if brands had been allowed to keep him then that would have been him the club saying well you have got the power and that was the moment and that's when it all really did start falling to me the next thing because when you think about it this idea of having a Hollywood manager it is nonsense isn't it it's utter nonsense everything shouldn't have a Hollywood manager it should never ever and you only get them if you're right on the grid but as a football club we should never I think we should never look at ourselves as a club that wants to be one of those clubs either we shouldn't want to be anything that we're not we are a hard working working class football club and we should have a guy on the sideline who's got a little bit of a bout figurehead in the image you're right because I mean in that interview that he did the other day he said he wanted Miguel Arteta Arteta wanted to come and actually if you remember then there was Angelotti and Arteta who were both available at the same time and actually and I thought very much I think we all did that the likelihood was that those appointments would have gone the other way Arteta wanted to come to heaven I know and it would have made much more sense had they gone the other way and they didn't go that way and now to read and I didn't know that until I read the brand's article that they were after Arteta now to read that and now think about think about what if yeah but then what if we'd have ruined it Andy you're absolutely right we would have ruined it but I think if they come in I'm not sure Everton wouldn't be where Arsenal are because they've still spent nearly 600 million since he come in which we haven't right but what would have happened they would have been brands as man wouldn't but that could have been but Michael Silver could have been that man things could have gone very different I know people have had seen this loads of people going when massive brands everyone makes good signers everyone makes bad signers we know that he did make some bad signers but I think it's what comes underneath it it's actually what you're allowed to do it's what the director of football is like who gets the final decision I just thought he should have had his balls out a bit more I still think he I just think he he learned self be he become a little bit of a yes man did he know because it doesn't sound like he was allowed to even say yes he's had a new deal he did sign a new deal before before those changes were made so therefore he should have gone there's other stuff though there's other stuff he loved the area he loved the area I'm not sure whether he knew the area like when he says that but he loved the area I'm sure he would have had the tunnel pass he lived on the widow lived on the widow in the widow on the widow let's show far too long about everything let's hope we stay up there's a few questions about that Matthew Barry says providing we do stay up out of current squad even those at long term contracts who would you sell who are you chasing this summer even of evidence in terms of selling Godfrey's got to go Keane's got to go Mopay Mopay's got to go who else are we getting rid of O'n Anna he's great if you're top 5 but where we are you don't need someone I'm only saying him because I think he is Mopay on a Mopay Mopay on a Mopay Michelinco get rid of Michelinco so most left him yeah I mean what's the matter with Ghana Ghana gay I can't work out whether I like him or not I'd keep Ghana I think we miss him massively he's a bit sometimes he's making weird I used to think he was rock solid until recently and he now worries me but it's that cost of the options it is silly but I have no issue with Ghana if you look at his stats and I thought he does he does do the solid I just think it's his age but I think it's others as well I think no one wants to take the ball off him I think it's his age more than any but you might need to get rid of him because of his wages yeah okay and also who else is going to say no I've forgotten sorry did we say Mopay Mopay that was the one I was going to ask no I'd keep the court the problem with the court he is he's poor last night no he was I didn't think he was particularly good last night but he's one where you'd find it quite hard to replace him in the short term and I think he's the kind of player if we did get relegated that would boss the championship absolutely boss it I would give him another year and then hopefully somewhere else we're coming we stay up but we'll see I just want to know the quick question sorry to interrupt our team as it is at the moment how do you think it would do in the championship I think the team right now no changes to it I don't think they'd walk it that's for sure I think they'd get up though I've watched the championship football I don't know if the squad's good enough as in the squad side I think you'd need cannon back cannon just to give you the option sims I think if Don stayed I think Don would get 30 goals in the championship I'll be honest I think it'd be a great breeding ground actually for the likes of Paterson and even Mills I think it'd be there's enough there's enough air conversation about Mills yeah I think James Garner I think they'd benefit massively but I don't want to know this one, this one Mike Bulley says it where do we stay up or go down would you keep showing dice in charge and if you change it you would like to see in charge that would hopefully be a long time project but what are your feelings if you ever get relegated do you keep them or do you change I keep them I think yeah I think I would I like Ped's idea about fresh young manager with a vision backed up by director of football and that hopefully will be a thing at some point in the future but he knows how to get teams back up we just need to be really direct and to go back to the nasty evidence that we all know and love and I feel like the metal is returning to the team a little bit and he just seems like the right guy to get us back up again because we'll probably get one chance won't we if you wait too long then you get sucked in to the quicksand of the championship don't you so but while grooming Schumacher for the future I think but only when the club's ownership has been sorted out well that's going to say in an ideal situation I probably would bring in I'd go for well I'd probably go for Rooney but this is an ideal situation who knows what kind of turmoil there's going to be this summer so maybe it might be make more sense to just keep that in place to get it back up and then start looking to be maybe a little bit more long term because there's going to be huge challenges next season no matter what happens by the way no matter whether we stay up or we go down there's going to be huge challenges so it might just make sense to just leave him in that's changing 100% wouldn't even they wouldn't honestly I wouldn't even think though I know wouldn't you think more though no and I'll tell you why no I'll tell you why because hey I think if he gets us relegated having had half a season in which to get four or five wins and he's not able to do it he's not the right man but secondly then this is this is worse for me I think we're going to lose loads of young players with potential because of him because he clearly only likes certain players he's only playing Michael Keane because he's his mate because it's not on form and it's not on ability and that terrifies me ti ar y brand we've got a centre back there he was just won the cup with the PS3 the flying and he ain't sure that he ain't playing him a 21 not a chance and therefore he's not coming back to sit on our bench he's not going to go on loan to a championship side therefore we lose him Stanley Mills probably go Isaac Price has gone others cannon are you hanging around when Dite isn't going to give you the chance and that worries me it's easier in a Premier League to argue don't point away and go you're not ready we need quality I get that and if he stays up he should be given a chance to carry on maybe if we went down I would want to see it it's not a footballing thing I don't like the football I don't like that he doesn't make so I don't like that he doesn't give you the chance it's just like the point of view of the ability having a football club is just a mess and I don't like the GenC but I suppose if he keeps us up he would deserve a crack at it I understand that but I just worry that I want something that was like you said before we're starting to build I just don't think you'd build with him I just don't know Richie wants the whole ground to stand up for the Bournemouth in city games we encourage the club to have a safe stand we won't be in the ground for the Bournemouth let's be honest David you mind I will the club are going to let you I'll break in I don't care David is just saying to see dice to take us forward and the championship I think we've answered he says you think Amazon Prime regret not doing and all or nothing ever and you think so oh my god I'm embarrassed enough as it is being a blue at the moment in terms of lapping stock if there were a Netflix camera crew in there my god I would love someone to shine a light on the way into this football I really would I see that as a good point it's a show I'm up for perhaps why it's not happened we get this quite a lot over the years people go and you'll say things and people go they're making a show we're just highlighting this is where it leads you for those people who say that don't want to accept there's far too many of us out there far too many just been for years they're like Ned with the blue whale I think they just want to they don't care what league I just want to go to a match and then go home and that's fine you shouldn't tell people but people who want better should be Kate McAdam says this isn't football which is great which is better says it would you rather only be able to shout or only be able to run everywhere and buy everywhere I mean everywhere get up in the night for the way you've got to run to the toilet see I don't know what benefit shouting I was going to say I don't know Andy for his for his job shouting all of that wouldn't be good for prime time radio shouting all of that I was saying the other day though it's a shame when you're older you know when you were a kid you used to call it bombing it bombing it around everywhere but obviously bombing whereas if you do that as an adult imagine you went into Morrisons like that you were doing an attack it's just not the same is it like a trolley dash just bombing it everywhere when you see an adult running you think is he running from what's going on you look in the direction where he's come from if you hear a kid running it's a kid running Andy imagine reaching into the post office absolutely bombing it and then skidding on your shoes like you do as a kid on your knees like you're on a wedding or skidding on your knees yeah absolutely many shoes have been ruined it's a shame you would ruin the shoes get them shiny patches on when you're a kid you can play bottomless in a city centre fountain on a hot day as an adult though you get loads of people having a go I'm never going to do that again at the south bank centre he's been warned so many times so many times just freewheeling just freehanging it was just as nature intended they didn't appreciate it they didn't appreciate it but the ad don't know where they were they were very pretty windmills very much like time clothes of a human construct you can come out dressed very much like time you know so windmill and his own acceptable as an adult with a grin in a public place I think it's unacceptable because other people think it's unacceptable but if it's a nice hot day how else are you going to get cool reintroduction it's a safety asset David take someone's eye out there you go you know it brother although saying that though isn't it like a famous picture it's it isn't it a famous picture of Orlando Bloom paddle board fully naked fully baloch showing the full leg of us the full load of the rings there lad there you go last chicken in saints breeze there you go that was the sequel let's move on from this one quickly swift442 says people often say the book is always better than the movie but are the books always better than tv series I don't know because a tv series I don't read books I don't know tv series has changed a changed tv when you think about it books always went into films and when you're trying to build something in a book and put that into a two-hour film it's difficult to do but I think with tv series what was the last tv show you watched that had come out of a book I just want to back you out I've just started watching Game of Thrones do you have started literally two episodes in it's incredible but do you know what's on the train there's loads of tits in it you have to keep turning my iPad off there's fellas genuinely got about three mists beds around them and then just pull out a crossbow and just go I don't really like you think about Lord of the Ring this is where it's interesting to see because Lord of the Ring Game of Thrones goes crap sorry to spoil it for your handy but it goes crap when they run out of the books so they get up to the books to the way and then the books end and then they just leave it to the two fellas who were making it and it goes crap because of that so therefore apparently you told them though George Martin was that the guy who recorded the Beatles fellow wasn't he George Martin he was happy to be with Game of Thrones he was going to go crap but he said didn't he tell them what he was going to do with the best writer in Game of Thrones and quick sorry, go on Andy guys are great impression sorry Dolores to the size of your dragon go on Andy we'll shut up he just agrees there you go it's me bad that none of us read Gwadwch i chi'n dyfodol beth, sef gwrdd yn rydyn ni, dwi d rusit y gwerthu hynny'n gwneud ychydig ond yn y pwn i'w gwahod. A dyna'r erbyn hefyd i'w rhai, ac rwy'n meddwl hyn yn y ffrindiau allan, neu fe am gyfrindiau! Mae'n gofio iawn arall. Ac mae', fynd i, mae'n meddwl yn eich nod wedi'i ei hun arall. Pan mae'r bwysig ar roeddaf i'w meddwl o'u meddwl i'u meddwl. Ac mae'n meddwl, mae'n meddwl, fel cywblog yn ceis. Ond mae'n gwneud amdano o wedi'u ei hwn a ffordd. Wrth gwrs, yn ganweithio eich gwleiddoch, mae'n gwneud her oherwydd. Mae'ch gwneudio eich gwneudio eich gwneud o bwysig. Gweinwch ar yr aedd Wrath i gynhyrchu. Ac byddwn ymloannod o... Can I just jump in there for a second? Because we need to schedule the end of season air fry show and tell. And I think we get to a critical point in the season and I think we need to start... I'll tell you what, if we did get relegated we need someone that is going to take our minds off it. And that is ped air frying, lyre of it. We need to air fry mope! Is what we need to do. A mi Carl has already asked for this as well. What did Andy Bush and Andy Campbell ask for it? What was your segment last week that he robbed off us again? From UB 40? Andy Campbell, that's Andy Campbell wasn't it? That was Andy Campbell. What was your segment that you did last week that he ripped off off us another segment? Yeah he done something else last week that was a toffee TV original Andy Bush. You don't know. I don't know very well. You stole another one of our mini-segment play. Actually I'm on the sub on sorry just very quickly on the subject of which I keep meaning, I keep meaning to ask you about this bush. And I could have done this privately, of course, but, but, you know, listen, we're doing a public forum now. I quite often play kanov, right? So so for those that aren't aware, kanov is is a potentially this feature that push enrich you do. Where you have to guess what the contents of the can that's being poured out, just well, it's coming in from the laughter low. While I was in the car about four weeks ago and you had what I thought must have been. You said it was beans, but it wasn't just beans. It was something else. I thought it's got to be sausage and beans. It's got to be beans and sausage. Everybody rings up. It's got to be sausage and beans. And then I never found out what it was, and I can't think of anything else that goes with beans in a can other than sausage. Discuss. It was spaghetti and beans. Spaghetti and sausages. Spaghetti and beans. No, spaghetti and sausages. Spaghetti and sausages. What is wrong with the sausages it was, Dave? Oh, that's better. That's better than a sausage. I didn't think so, I think. No, it is. Honestly, Dave, it was a thing for a little bit. No, that's... Dave Guston. It is. Peddecaire fry in the... Peddecaire fry. You know, I think I speak for everybody else who listened to that, you know, broadcast. Yeah. It just had to be sausage and beans all day long. It had to be sausage and beans. I was really angry about it. And I nearly... I was going to ring you about it, but I was driving. That's good. What is wrong with the whip? So you think a fair bit about relegation, but also about the whole sausage and beans thing. That's the most you'll find in your mother. Yeah, I do like that a lot though. You're taking the nation's mind off it, and these are your fears. I've got two things to think. Glenn Watson said if you'd only have one takeaway for the rest of your life, what would you pick? Chinese, Indian, Italian includes pizza, obviously, or a meze of Greek and Turkish. If you'd only have one takeaway for the rest of your life. It's what he's put. I'm only reading that. What he's put. What's a meze? Well, what he's put. It's like a mix, a mix platter. You're not going to have that, are you? Don't read any books. I don't know what a meze is. Have a word with yourself. Maybe that's why I don't know what a meze is. So what would you have? Chinese, Indian, Italian. Chinese, Indian, Italian. A meze of Greek and Turkish. I just want an award-winning YouTube channel. That's not actually one of the awards yet. Well, you know, I plan on that. I plan on that. EFL channel. Actually, that's one, because I do eat a meze of Greek. I started getting into Greek food. So you're going for Greek for the rest of your life? Yeah, I am actually. All right, Sam. What for the rest of your life? You mean every Friday for the rest of your life? Yeah, you can only have one of these. Chinese, Indian, Italian. Meze of Greek and Turkish. Chinese, probably. I'm going to go with Turkish. Turkish and run, because I've got to get a train. I wanted the rest of it about Snowden. But OK. Oh, yeah. Shall we save that? We'll save that. I'll leave you with a teaser, right? Go on. About Snowden, right? And I don't know if it's as big like once you go up there, you sign a form and you have to go along with the story. Yeah. Piece of piss. Piece of piss. There's a train. OK. Lovely. Top man, Andy. Thank you for having care of yourself. See you soon. Thank you, Andy. It's a raw bush. I've always thought Snowden was a piece of piss. Just like a Hollywood bush is no more. I've always thought Snowden was a piece of piss. You can get a train. And it's not like I've had other people die on it, because they go up in T-shirts and slip-slips like some other people slip in the rooms like that. And the weather changes, yeah. I've been taking up Snowden. I thought I'd go with it. I thought I'd go with it. I just wanted to see how long we could keep the sand. I thought I'd go with it. Just come back to the takeaways. Does it matter what day it is on the take? Cos I have my takeaways on a Sunday night. OK. You know. No, it doesn't matter. So does that... That rules out fishing ships. Mine's on a Friday. But I'll be honest. Sometimes on a Saturday I think. By the day I have a last night I've bought it. But would you have... Would it change your mind on what you have by the day? Oh, OK. That's what I'm saying. I don't think so. Cos we are weird creatures. I don't think so. I don't think I'd be looking for a roast in a takeaway. Will you do that? You do roast takeaway there. Is that what you mean, that? No, I don't think so. I don't think it would change me. OK. It just won't take away. Why can't you have fishing ships on a Sunday? Dave. Cos it's never open. See, that's cos you live in a little town. A little village. But as a general rule, fishing ship shops, in my experience, don't open on some things. No, I'm not in Liverpool every reason. No, we're Liverpool specialists. We have people don't understand that our chippies are Chinese. And it doesn't seem to be a thing that you can get in other places in the country. So, yeah, we get fishing ships. Anytime, really, you know. I remember being in them. We stayed in Pembermore a few years ago. Clank. Clank. Yeah, you know, that, like, basically, the Welsh Riviera, not. And I went to the Chippie, and I asked the fella, we all like fishing ships, and I asked the fella could I have curry rice and chips. Mate, he looked at me like he wanted to kill me. And he went, there's a chippie down the road, go there and get it, and looked away, like with the cobbin. I don't know, but I asked mate. He was like, I have to shave as well, we don't do it. I had the family, so it's Chinese. We're in Liverpool, you go on a chippie and you get anything. Pizzas, kebabs, anything you want. Vegas, anything you want. But now we're not happy, no. Fair play, fair play. So it took him rather personally, he thought. But hey, how? Show be it. Show be it. Maybe he's been taken in the Snowden. Maybe he's been taken up Snowden, I think. Well, it was, but you know. John, John Hickey says, what are the positives of being in the championship? I think this one's for Dave, considering he runs a award-winning EFL podcast. Which we may be on next year. What are the positives of it, Dave? Well, I mean, the championship is a fine league. It is, of course. Part of the EFL, English football league. Correct. For whom we do the official podcast on a weekly basis. And where do they find that, Dave? Oh, where do they find it? It's a way to look from all good pod shops. I mean, wherever people get their podcasts. And what's it called? It's called the official EFL podcast. Sorry, that title again. The official EFL podcast. Tremendous. Advantages of being in the championship, presumably from an Everton perspective, as opposed to any other perspective. Correct. As we mentioned before, for me it might facilitate a wholesale buy-in. Buy-out, in terms of the ownership of the club, which is needed and necessary and can only be a good thing. And then and only then would allow us as a club to move forward. One would assume on the basis that history would suggest that, since Masheri has been in charge, many managers have been ruined, players have been ruined and nothing has really worked. So I would imagine in the same way that there are people and consortiums put together at all points of the year who are looking into purchasing assets in the form of football clubs. I would imagine that anybody that was looking at Everton at the moment would be waiting until they know where they're going to be. And obviously it could be a much easier and cheaper purchase if they were to go down. That's the only advantage that really I can see. Otherwise it's catastrophic and doesn't even bear thinking about in terms of the finances. And as I said before, genuinely it's something I think about in the morning. I think about at noon, I think about at night, most days. And I still can't really comprehend how I would feel the morning after that night before, if it does happen. Waking up that first day with the realisation that actually they have been relegated and all of our worst fears have come at once because it is like preparing for a death at the moment. I think, yeah. What we should do to, you know, making too much of it, but I don't think we can. What we should do Dave, just if we are, just to prepare ourselves this, and someone mentioned this to me. So Baz was on the overlap. So obviously Gary. By the way, I thought he did really well. And I don't say that sounds patronising when I say that. Genuinely, I thought he came over really well, Baz. Thank you, make your part. You go down and with Dave's influence and help, we should start the eflvation of the overlap. How would we do it though? Well, we could easily, Dave's got all the contacts. OK. We could make the most of it. Yeah, we've got to make the most of it. Dave would be the producer and all the famous people to... I mean, the guy who hosts the overlap isn't famous, so that wouldn't be an issue. You know, we'll get like, I don't know, can't be in D on Dublin to be the expert. And we'll go from there, I don't know. Sounds good, sounds good, that's the way. I may show you on the... There you go. I need big shoes to fill. I don't know what, I'm just trying to show them these guns or something. I don't know what, I'm just trying to show them these guns or something. The positives for me are no derby match. Huge positives. That's not a positive, man. Yeah, well, derby. And that's exactly it, so I don't want to play them. And hopefully a reset getting rid of so much of the squad that I don't like. And a chance to reduce the wage bill massively and restart again. That would be the positives for me. Here's a question for you, sorry, just on the subject of which. If you could guarantee that relegation would only be down there for one season, as in they would be guaranteed to come straight back up again, which obviously I know is a hypothetical and fictitious situation. Excuse me, if that were the scenario, would you be in favour of it? To an extent. If you could 100% gather, if it was 100% if you'd seen the future and you said it hadn't went down for a year and everything worked out brilliantly, then you know what, I'd say yeah. I'd say if it meant it, but if it was like. I'm saying as opposed to limping on and rather making the same mistakes again and again and again as has been proven this season more so than ever, especially after where we were last season. I want it for a refresh if we go. I don't want it. If you offer me now, do you want to go down or stay up? Obviously I don't want to stay up. I think good clubs can be freshers in the Baraday League though. I think good clubs can do that if they can't support you. We're not one of them now. No, no, but if someone said to me, I've seen the future, you're going down for a season and it will be the catalyst for you to come back up and actually start. And you said, you know, they haven't seen past that, but it just gives you the catalyst for coming back and being a club on your own as new squad. Then I actually won't take it because all there is is putting for another year, isn't it? Rather than doing this, I don't want to do this again. I don't want to do this every year because next year will probably be the same because we won't buy anyone of any value. We'll have to sell players anyway. So if someone could guarantee me, then I won't take it because it's just footy. I'm to a different type of footy, isn't it? Different games, I might win some. Carla says, so there's been a discussion of chocolate in the past couple of weeks, which leads me to this question. If ever I'm on a chocolate bar, what would they be and why? What's what's limp? Chomp. No, a chomp. Chomp can be delightful and can be tough at the same time. I don't think them two things go together with Evan at the moment. I mean, the obvious one would be flake, wouldn't it? The flake, you're nice, though. I know they're nice, but they're lacking in substance. They are, they are. They have no backbone. That is correct. I think we are one of those horrible Easter eggs that come with a good mug. Can that get on it? Yeah, the mug lasts forever and it's always something you'll cherish. And you like it because of whatever's on the mug. But the chocolate takes like shite and it's cheap. And the people who own it are coin it up the top of it. But I'm not going to name the company, but yeah. Can I ask an Easter egg related question? I know that we're technically out of Easter topic zone. Is that my daughter was away with her mum this last weekend. You perhaps know where this is going already. Go on. And I was hungry and in need of chocolate on a Saturday afternoon, and I couldn't be asked to go to the co-op. So is it wrong that I may have eaten her whisper Easter egg while she was away? She hadn't even touched it. Now she'd eaten, she'd opened the thing and she'd taken the actual whisper bar out of there. But she'd left the egg in its purple paper. And I ate the whole thing. I think as her father, you have the right. I think you have to replace it with a whisper chocolate bar or two. I think that's only right as a father. But I think the egg is in, you know, it's free. It was fair game. But you know what would be amazing? Wouldn't it be amazing if Easter eggs, the actual egg was just one big whisper? Wouldn't that just be amazing? I used to do that with three megs runs a kid. These you think, that's a piece full of crap. Now I just think I do like three megs, but I think I imagine. But imagine a whisper and egg with a thick full thick. Yeah, you know, like, did you ever get a kick at that? You got your bike and the whole thing's chocolate bone. For some reason, it's just a chocolate bar, but it's for some reason. It's just right with it. Yeah, I think, I think, you know, I don't think a court would would would go. I think you'd be all right, Dave, as long as as long as an adequate replacement is. Yeah, that's what I think. I mean, I was thinking maybe three to four actual standard whisper bars to make up. And I think she'd be happy with that. What I've done, yeah, I did feel bad though. I mean, I have felt morally bad for the weekend. She doesn't know this yet. Fortunately, she's not a regular listener to the 1878 FM podcast. Well, I mean, that to me is being a bad parent. Eating the chocolate isn't being a bad parent. Your daughter not listening to the podcast you're on makes you a bad parent. Yeah, I'm just going to say it, but she might get away with it. So it's fine. She doesn't want to know about Dave Wymillan and in. No, that's that's not that wouldn't be a good look about your dad Wymillan in a family now. No, that's not a good look. Stuart Thompson says how long is it until we change our name from the Toffees to the Marshmallows as the Toffees are hard at the back? It should be now. Chad says we survive or get hit with an embargo after premier P&S rules or we go down and have a financial reset so we can rebuild the squad. It's one. Would you rather have a question so serious? Don't know. Why aren't I like, you know, this these are questions for other shows? Why aren't I like, you know, what would you prefer? You know, we did have it like Adam Lilford says, what are your guilty pleasures in life? There are no guilty pleasures in life. Just things you like. Any guilty pleasures in life. They're just things we like. They're just things you like, aren't they? Great leaders. Why Keane, one of us have got the answers that anyone knows now. No, was he the one with the band and that would also be the same question. Oh, absolutely. Why Keane? Why Keane? I did like three of their songs and then everything did change. I like that. I like summer only we know. Can you imagine going to a Keane gig? Oh, I mean, they just one of the I mean, I don't know. It sounds rude, but I've just always felt his bed wetters music. Yeah, that is no other one. Really? No other one, Dave. Seriously, right? Scouting for girls. My sister bought me a Scouting for Girls album a trw backer trw backer it. Told her to fuck off back to HMV. Pardon my language, but they are drosh. You did well. I mean, listen to the name. Scouting for girls. You're going to rest them for that now. You what? Yes. Yes, especially when you win milling at the same time, I'm going to tell you. Win milling won't Scouting for Girls somewhere only we know. I have to be careful with Scouting for Girls because I am sort of loosely connected to that band through their management and may have also performed with them previously. That's fine, and that wasn't your wish. That was just personal opinion. The personal opinion of Peter McPartland isn't necessarily shared by other members of the 1978 film. Oh, gosh, Glen Watson says it. Not a football. Hang on, sorry. Glen Watson says, not including football or any other sport, what job did you all want to do when you were nine years old? I only wanted to be a footballer. You wanted to be a footballer. I'm not being bullied. If you were nine years of age and you want to do any football, any job that isn't football or Aston and all, then you're just weird. And you've got bad parents and a lot of kids like want to be a farmer when they're that age. I wanted to be a milkman. Have you been watching Benny Hill? That is brilliant. Genuinely, maybe not nine, but certainly before that, when I was a young, young boy, I wanted to be a milkman. It just seemed like a happy and friendly occupation, which I would argue that it is. You get to meet lots of people. You tend to bring a bit of sunshine into people's world, which I know is not necessarily associated with me as an adult. But that was what I wanted to do. Three bottles of milk and a bandy line and beer. I just want to spread your yoghurt everywhere. You do. That's it. And your milk, Dave's milk. I'm nice to go now. There's three questions to go. Glen Watson says, who'd win in a fight a robot or a dinosaur? The strongest dinosaur on the board. A dinosaur would beat a robot in a fight. Of course, a dinosaur. What kind of question is that? A dinosaur would whip the fucking limbs off it. What is going on? A dinosaur. A dinosaur wins. You've got this on the meat of the bar, Evan. That's an important question. This isn't a question, because it's Jesus. He saw Bush interview Depeche Mode the other day where they saw him, but Bush is already gone. So that's not going to really work. Right, let's leave it there. We will be back next week. What kind of question is with a fight with a robot but a dinosaur caused a fucking dinosaur? To be fair, though, we want more questions of that nature. I don't want a question stupid like that dinosaur would rip the shit out of a robot. What a stupid question. Glen, this again is an official statement. From our fan engagement officer. This is again the... Beep! This is an information message for our listeners. The opinions of Peter McPartland are necessarily the opinions of David Vitty, Andrew Bush, or Barry Crass on the 80s and the 80s. I think everyone's opinion is a dinosaur with a batter of a robot. I think if you haven't got... What do you mean by that? Okay, unless it's a robotic dinosaur. It's not a robot. That's the only one. Let's leave it there with that image. Let's step away from the podcast. A huge thank you to Dave. As normal, we'll be back next week. Not having that. And we'll see what Evan will have done of Brighton next week. Let's hope it's a bit of Brighton rock. See you later. Bye.