 You know, there's a lot of fatigue around the country about Trump, you know. We've heard enough about him. He occupies the first 20 articles of every newspaper, assuming there are still newspapers. And you know, he tries to get on the radar everywhere, in every way, no matter what. And you know, that fat fatigue gets people to turn off, they say, you know, I'll watch anything. I'll watch Iowa of Lucy. I don't want to hear any more of this any more. But we persist, we prevail, we continue here at Trump Week, because we know how important this conversation is. Right, Tim Apichella? Absolutely, Jay. And I love Lucy. What do you think, Cynthia Sinclair? I think it's hard sometimes for me to watch, and especially to watch maybe Fox News or even just the regular CBS and NBC channels, as opposed to the political channels, because they spend too much time sort of saying what he's doing right. And I think that they don't balance it with what's not right. What's he been doing this week, Tim? Well, I think the big news story, in my mind, obviously, was his trip to Europe. But the unexpected announcement about a Mexican tariff of a graduating scale from 5% all the way to 25%, which is not related to trade, but related to his perception of unlawful immigration into the country. Did you see the political grandstand, isn't it? It's a huge political grandstand. I'm planning for his base, I'm planning to show what a big guy he is. It has nothing to do with the economy or global trade or our relations with Mexico. Just pushing people around to show what a big guy he is. Go ahead. One of the things that I saw in that whole deal that's being put together, one of the things is that U.S. can deport people. And I think, how does that have anything to do with Mexico? But that's part of the agreement. Of course, I couldn't get an answer. I looked around, I tried to read it, find an article that would tell me, but that's part of what he wants in the deal. And I don't understand it. But if that's American law, that's not Mexican, they can't do anything about it. Why does that have to do anything with the deal? Well, let me, I misstated the title on that one point. I said Mexican tariff, not a tariff, it's a tax. And until we start using that terminology, the American public, particularly those citizens in red states that are going to be directly impacted by this, are going to feel the impact of a tax, not a tariff. I don't know why Mexico plays with him. They're actually in talks with somebody in the administration about trying to stem the tide. And they made some kind of deal about Nicaragua, I think Guatemala, sorry. And the Guatemalans would go, they would allow the Guatemalans to stay in Mexico, give them residence or something. And then others from other countries in that region, they would go to Guatemala. I don't know how that works, but that's really strange. And so, in effect, they're doing something to respond to him. Well, the other one was the potential commitment of 6,000 Mexican border patrol to be dispatched to the border areas. The southern border. Right. Yeah. And in terms of borders, let me shift a little bit. He's got the army painting one mile of fence, because he said it didn't look good. So, is this nutcake, wait, we'll go to nutcakes later. Okay. Now, on a parallel track, we have China. We have, you know, what I saw on the paper, he's going to do another raise in tariffs right now. Three. Another one on China. 300 billion. Now, remember, the other one was, I believe, 200 billion, and he said, we can do this. This is easy. I mean, 300 billion now is subject to 25% acts. Unbelievable. It reminds me of when he fired somebody on the apprentice. You sat there watching that show of, why did he fire that guy? There was no rhyme or reason about it. And why is he doing this additional tariff? There's no rhyme or reason about it. He's already getting all this pushback from American industry, because as you said, Tim, it's a tax on us. We pay it. It disrupts world trade, disrupts their economy and our economy. And I don't know what the purpose is, but he keeps on doing it. Did he do something wrong? Did he want us to do another, what, 300 billion dollars? What's the problem with him? He keeps ratcheting it up. Again, how many shows have we said, is this just another way of distraction? But this tax could potentially cost $900 per American citizen. And we're talking about potentially 200,000 jobs in the state of Arizona, because Arizona actually will be the greatest state impacted by this acts if it goes through. When I go through, he does it all by fiat. He does it himself. Well, okay, so again, he's taking on to himself the power of taxation. And finally, in the Senate, we have a number of senators, Republican, who said, hey, this is not what we like or want. So they're finally, some of them are raising their head and saying, stop it. We have Ted Cruz saying this is going to be a very harmful impact. We have John Cornyn from Texas saying it's like holding a gun to our heads. We have Joni Ernstain saying it's overwhelmingly we oppose these tariffs, and they will count to answer on everything. And then last but not least, even Mitch McConnell, our Mitch McConnell here, he said that there's not much support for this, and they want to sit down with the president before Monday, because that's when the first 5% is going into play. Remember, Mitch McConnell is the guy who's married to a Chinese woman who was well connected in China? Don't forget that, and don't forget that for his birthday, Mitch McConnell got a multimillion dollar gift from the family. So Mitch McConnell is not without certain suggestions of corruption on such things. And then the automobile industry in the U.S. is saying you're going to wreck our industry and the economy don't do this, but he persists. It's like throwing everything on the wall and seeing what happens. There's no plan. It's what you wake up with in the morning. It's bizarre. And okay, but let's turn to what happened in Europe, because somehow that has to be factored in to all this other stuff. What happened in Europe? A complete... Well, on one hand, he got through it, and he was even praised for following his teleprompter. If that's the bar that's been set for this president of the United States. I'll use the word bar on this show. That's the level of confidence that has been established for this president of the United States. We're all in big trouble because, hooray for President Trump, he read the teleprompter and he didn't go off script. I mean, is that what we've come to? For a while. For a while. So he received praise for his Normany speech. But really what happened just before that was the interview with Laura Ingraham on Fox News Station. What a background was the headstones of all these 4,414 brave soldiers that sacrificed their life and their grave markers are right in the backdrop of this interview where he decided to take this moment, 15 minutes before the actual ceremony began, to basically lamb-based Nancy Pelosi and Robert Mueller and Chuck Schumer and the whole gang. Well, it wasn't just 15 minutes beforehand. He ended up having the whole entire ceremony late by 15 minutes because he sat there and did that interview. I was telling you guys before the show that a few years ago my wife and I went to Normandy, went to the American Cemetery at Normandy and it is one of the most powerful, memorable experiences that we have ever had, I have ever had, to be there just to stand and look at it in the flesh, in the reality of it. It brings home, you know, your national connection. It brings home your sense of history and morality and honesty and the greatest generation and sadness for the people who are buried there. It is the most powerful experience I've really ever had with respect to an institution along those lines. And for him to abuse it, to defame it and deface it that way is extraordinary. What it means is he was there, he should have felt the same feeling, but he didn't. He doesn't understand American history. He doesn't understand the American morality, American ethics, the American core, core values if he would do that. So it was particularly disgusting to me to see him make those statements. It really did ruin the moment that he got pray for and that was his speech. It ruined it. It really dis-tarnished the entire speech he gave given the backdrop and the interview. It was just not a good moment for him, again, once again. But this trip was different, wasn't it? Because in the past he's gone to Europe and he's like disappeared in Europe and the press reports on Europe, they make fun of him and he's in Communicato in large part. That didn't happen this time. He was playing for the folks back home. We had those interviews you mentioned and everything was calculated on what the folks back home would think. It was different this time, right? The pictures at the palace, the pictures with the queen, look, I'm royalty, although we have to remember that his whole family went with him, too. They don't have a place in the administration. There was a question about whether we're paying for that and I have an answer. We are paying for it. Are we not? There was a question about whether it was appropriate. I have an answer. It wasn't appropriate. No. I mean, this is all being, it's a trip for him. It's a vacation. He's using his position in every abusive way. But that's just me. Let me ask this question, because if it was planned, was a plan that he would say things that make him appear to be completely unhinged? Let me use the example of the crowd size, I don't know, a crowd size of protest that he didn't see and he said I didn't see much of it, so therefore it didn't happen. Then you see the aerial view of the streets in London and it's packed with thousands of protestors, but he said, well, therefore it didn't happen, fake news must be reporting on these protests. They were there for me because they wanted to say I was doing a great job. They were there to celebrate me, is what he said, when it was so obvious. So at what point does the media or anyone say, stop it, stop this sixth grade, this sixth grade approach to saying my reality is the only reality? Let's take a quick digression on the media. When he makes these speeches in the cemetery and insults anyone and everyone and makes brutish remarks that affect our important relationships in NATO, that's really bad. But what I get out of that is that he's slightly unhinged. He's a destroyer, but we know that. He's a boar, we know that. But if you track on this, you see it's getting worse. You see the aberrational remarks getting worse. If he thinks he's having a benefit, I'm not sure that his base can buy that. I'm not sure that the Senate can buy that. What you have is something worth looking at from a psychiatric point of view. If you knew anybody who ever knew anybody who had some kind of mental problem like that, you know that it doesn't stay the same. It always goes somewhere. There's always a dynamic, a sea change that it may last, it may go on for years, but it always changes, and in the end it's never good. And drugs don't necessarily help. Well, when you're a narcissist, there are no meds for narcissism. Narcissism, gone unchecked like that, can just literally, like you said, he gets worse and worse and worse and worse. He is power hungry. Absolute power creps absolutely. A narcissist in that position is just prime candidate for that very thing of power, absolute power crepting absolutely. So the more power he gets, the more inflamed he becomes. There was reports in France that he had some pretty wild mood swings. And if it wasn't for his children being there, who knows how bad this would have gone. So it's maybe the reason they're there is to kind of keep a, you know, almost they're being his handlers, I don't know. But, you know, there are many things that contribute to what his psychological makeup is. And I've said this on previous shows is that the one that we can't talk about necessarily have to be a qualified psychiatrist or psychologist is the fact that he is sleep deprived and he brags about it. And he's been sleep deprived probably for the majority of his life. I don't know how the organic tissue of one's mind or brain can survive on three to three and a half hours of sleep each and every day. Not at his age. Not at his age or at any age. At any age, yeah. And so we know it's well documented. You know about amyloids and Alzheimer's? There's been a lot of press about that lately. And the deprivation of sleep is one of the factors that triggers the, it takes you over a trigger point with the amyloid, you know, content in your brain. And I think he's cruising for a problem here by not sleeping and bragging about it. But the other thing I wanted to get to with you guys is it's the magician thing. You know, on the one hand he's out there in the cemetery pounding on Mueller and Nancy Pelosi. As he does. And he's, you know, boasting about his thing with the queen. And he's trying to get the press to go along with him. And the press is being fooled in so many ways. The press does go along with him. And the press, you know, doesn't report as much on the things that he's really doing. It had substantive, substantive, you know, value. And so it's like you get two hands. One over here. Watch me, everybody. And the other one is behind his back. Where he's appointing, you know, right wing judges. Where he's stopping stem cell research. Where he's doing wrecking havoc on the environment. Even though he said there are arguments on both sides now. He's come a long way on it. But you know, can we cover that stuff for a minute? Because I think part of Trump week is to watch the hand behind his back. It's happening every single week, you know. He's just about to change that one regulation that allows fossil fuel companies to exhaust out into the air where, you know, for years and years and years now, you've had that regulation that didn't allow them to do that kind of exports out. And so now they're going to be able to. Which is really scary. Michael Bloomberg has said 500 million. 500 million. I knew it was a lot. 500 million dollars that he's going to put towards completely getting rid of the oil and gas industry and our dependence on oil. Yeah, but the oil and fossil fuel industry has spent 3 billion dollars of just public relations in lobbying efforts. So 500 million doesn't sound as much as it ought to. I know. You know, I think the 500 million could be better spent by trying to reform political action campaigns, peddling influence in Congress. That money could be better spent to ultimately get to curtailing the fossil fuel industry in Congress and their influence peddling in Congress. Yeah, I mean on one hand you can see this as chaos. But on the other hand, there are a lot of organizations around profit-making organizations that fill the void, that still control him and he responds to them because he thinks they're going to support him and maybe they are going to support him in the next election. But you know, some other organizations like the automobile industry, I really enjoyed this one. You know, he's reducing the cafe standards, right? Correct. For, you know, the fuel emissions. Well, and mileage. And mileage per gallon. Right. And so, you know, what's happening is the automobile industry itself. The guys who would love not to have cafe standards are saying, wait, this is not a good idea. It's not a good idea for the automobile industry that you do this. Don't do this. These are the guys who would presumably be benefited by reducing, you know, those standards. So, I mean, even they are speaking out on it. And you wonder, you know, where that's going because he's doing all this stuff, including stuff that he really shouldn't be touching. And it's every day. It's every way. I think that's a really good point you make is, you remember companies, you know, five, eight years ago, they all wanted to jump on the green bandwagon. Yep. Every corporation wanted to be green. Well, at some point, some of that actually does stick into the corporate culture of the CEOs and, you know, the executives, the vice presidents, they actually, you know, start to walk the talk. And I think over the last five to eight years or 10 years, I think they've done that. So, I don't think it's in their best interest to just start becoming a blatant polluter. Yeah. Well, you follow the leader. Leadership and the American presidency is a great big leader. So, he's out of sync with the CEOs of this country. Yes, he is. But the white supremacists, he's in sync with them. Yes. And we have an increasing number of, you know, shoot-ups in schools and other institutions who emulate him. They see what happens. And they do it too. They want to get attention like he does. And they want to be on whatever team that is. And we have a show, by the way, at one o'clock today involving an organization which is studying ways to notify the community. There's a shooter in the school, even though every second counts when you have those. Right. But, you know, I think it's monkey see monkey do. And I think he encourages that. And I think we are seeing the effect of the American presidency where he creates an aura about something. And people everywhere in the world, New Zealand, Australia, everywhere in the world, in Europe, you know, where they emulate this ethic or non-ethic that he is putting out. And I don't know what we do about that. Well, I know that Prince Charles sat down with him for an extra 75 minutes, I think was reported. On climate change. And that's why. Because that's his thing. He, you know, is so involved in climate change and doing something about stopping it. I'm sure it had no effect at all. No effect at all. Obviously, because you know what? He said, I think that future generations would like good weather. Good weather. Wait. It didn't go from climate. It's not weather. It's not about weather. Well, he said there's a distinction. The weather changes. Yeah. You know, obviously it can't be so because they first called it global warming. Right. And then they called it climate change. And now he said, I think they now call it extreme weather. So because there's, you know, a changing shift of definitions of what we're trying to go through right now and try to correct in the future, he uses that opportunity to basically devalue the problem. Yeah. Right. Yeah. He mocks the language. Therefore, we don't have a problem. Right. And that's his strategy. And it's really simple strategy. Why doesn't say it doesn't matter what you call it, it's occurring. Well, you know, but you have a guy who whose father paid off a doctor so we could have bone spurs. Right. It didn't go to the service. And then there was a discussion about, you know, his way of making up for that by giving money to the military. That was incredible. That was the Pierce Morgan interview in London. Yeah. And it was really quite amazing for him to basically bypass his exemption from the military from Vietnam and basically say, well, I'm making up for it by increasing the military budget. I didn't see the correlation. No correlation. He's taking money from the budget anyway to build his wall. So this whole of giving money to the military isn't really true. But you know, I mean, there was only one Democratic candidate, Buddha, I can never say his name. Buddha Judge. Buddha Judge. He basically took great issue with it and said, yeah, this is a shame. But what else is due? I mean, how many episodes of shamefulness do we have to experience for us to finally say, this guy does not belong in this position? No. I think talking about his father and the bone spurs, the fact is he doesn't have much of an education. His father got him through school. And you know, he doesn't know basic facts about the world, about economics, history, government. He doesn't know about it. He's just cruising through, you know, making a mess in every direction. Well, he always had people that could do this stuff for him. So he never had to actually do anything himself. You get along with my arrogance. I love that Nancy said, I don't want to impeach him. I want to put him in prison. Oh, I thought that was horrible. I'm sorry. You thought it was horrible? Yep. It's a bad idea really. It's a bad idea to say it. I like that she feels it. She lost her discipline on that. Yes, she did. And it drags us down to the banana republics of, you know, threatening to jail your opponents. It was bad for me. I understand what she was getting into is let's have the election. Then after he's out of office, then let, you know, the criminal prosecutions begin. But that's not how it came out. And worse yet, I guarantee you that statement is going to be used in 2020 in the election campaign ads that you see. And they'll use that as a shining example of how the Democratic Party wants to just go after him with no merit. But just because he's Donald Trump and they have a, they have something against them and they'll use that statement. I guarantee it. They're already using it. Yes. I say they, Hannity belongs to them. I was making these absurd statements about how it is really tacky for anybody to, you know, criticize a political adversary and say she should go to jail. So wait a minute. Lock her up. Lock her up. Lock her up. Lock her up. Lock her up. Lock her up. Lock her up. Lock her up. Lock her up. Well, it is great fun we have. I know. So what about next week? He's going to be back. Yes. We're going to be back in muller and Pelosi land or we going to be back and, and shooting barbs a little bit of the other Democratic candidates. What are we, What is going to happen? Showdown between the Senate, the Republican senators, maybe 10 or 12 of them, in a room with Donald Trump. We'll see. I think about the Mexican tax. I think they'll fold. I think all the senators will fold. I agree. I don't think they'll stand up to them. reality show every week isn't it? Every week and all I know is not enough people are talking about election security. They're just not. Nothing's happening in Congress. Every week I'm gonna say it because it is the biggest thing. I think you should. Election security is happening. There's four bills. I looked them up here right there. Four bills waiting and Mitch McConnell will not even hear them. Democracy is broken. I'm sorry to say. I know. And I don't know how we fix this and the election is a very threatening experience because he could win not only because of his own machinations but because of the Democratic machinations. Somebody has got to stand up. So let me take your temperature you guys. Who's the leader now of the pack? Is Biden still the one? You like you like Henry? Not Henry, it's Sanders. I like Warren. I like Warren and I didn't like her for a while because I thought she was a little too rabid but now I do. Harris? Who do you like? Who's the most servicing? I like Warren. I think over time Joe Biden is gonna start losing some of his percentage you know right now. Was it helpful or not when he reversed his position on federal support of abortion? The Hyde Amendment. I think it was good for him to do that. I think he had enough time to get that out of the way so that as we go into 2020 it'll be long forgotten. So he said let me just get it out of the way right now. Let me reverse myself and it was from a strategy point of view is probably the right thing for him to do. It shows he's got baggage of course and he's got to get up current you know but Warren is really getting up current. She has a new position to roll out every day. She's got policies. She's not just coming up. Kamala Harris as well I think is right behind her. She's got some good policies too. Yeah. How would you like to see a woman president and a woman vice president? Yes please. That's not gonna happen. No I know it won't happen but I'm okay with that. Okay so what's gonna happen in the White House? Well what is he gonna do? He's got a cope with you know the tariffs. He's got a cope with Mexico. Don't forget you guys that it's coming soon. It's the it's the September crunch on the fiscal policy on the debt ceiling. That's correct. And he's gonna have a fight about that. We're gonna be in another crisis about that. All these things making it more and more complicated. Less and less predictable. Less and less efficient. Less and less good government. I mean the government is in chaos. I'm sorry. Lest we forget about Iran. Thank you. This is a tender option to pick all up at any time. Any time. And Venezuela is in terrible shape. He hasn't made any progress with that. In fact he's lost ground on that one. Well he took away all their money. He funded them. Yeah winning by intimidation doesn't work on a global scale. It simply doesn't. Well let's not forget the 60 senators or excuse me the 60 House representatives that now are in line for impeachment. I think we'll start in those numbers rise. That's just my prediction. Thank you. Yeah. Well are we still in agreement on the impeachment? I am. I am. Knowing that it wouldn't necessarily work in the Senate. Even if it doesn't go anywhere. I think it's important. I'm only in agreement if they could do it quickly and get it done quickly. If they go past fall on it's a bad strategy. They've got to clear the decks to get what they want them to do quickly. Basically impeach. Take the vote. Make a statement. Make a historical statement. And say this is who you elected. And if it doesn't go through the Senate. It doesn't go through the Senate. The Democrats stood for something. They stood up. They stood up on their hind legs. And they made a definitive statement. And okay it's done. It's over. Move on. Because that's what Trump wants to do is drag this thing out and show the people that nothing's getting done except for vengeance after me. One thing I like is just the last point of our discussion because we're out of time. Is that some of the news media are systematically going through the Mueller report. PBS at the news hour every night. Finally. Finally, yeah. Finally. They talk about one issue and what he said about this and what he said about that. And to some extent it's really revolutionary. It's very interesting. You know I mean I wish somebody in Hawaii or maybe somebody in Think Tech would read the whole thing. You read the whole thing. I haven't read the whole thing yet. I'm still working on it. And comment on parts of it and what he's saying and how it because that relates to the impeachment doesn't it. So you know I think we got to get to that. And I certainly agree with you. The house should an inquiry could last forever. Yeah. But a vote on impeachment that would be pretty that would be pretty efficient. And then you go on to other things. You have to. Yeah. Yeah. And if they keep on you know passing legislation in the house that is positive and useful and constructive legislation for the country. And it all stalls at the Senate. That's worthwhile. Because it points out what's going on here. You hired us. We did all that we could per the Constitution to do what we're hard to do. And the other brand the other house or the other Senate didn't do anything. We did our jobs and they could put us you know they could shine a spotlight on that. They can't shine a spotlight on it if they're keep dragging out this impeachment business. Are we are we not. Are we are we not. Yeah. I was very concerned by the way with this decision of a federal judge in Washington for the proposition that the house by itself did not have standing to question Trump's emergency declaration. There was a judge on the west coast I think in San Francisco who said he did have the house did have standing but in Washington. And let me let me ask you a guess was that judge appointed Democratic or Republican Republican. Was that appointed by Trump. Yes. It was appointed in 2017. So we have the all these appointments that Trump is making are taking root now and supporting him in these bizarre things. So it opens a really big question as to whether you know there is any any remedy. Okay. When when you know he makes national emergency declarations is there any way to review that according to this judge. No because the Congress is is stuck. The Senate's never going to you know take any relief on that. And the House can't get to court. Therefore the courts and I'll bet you five that when it gets to the Supreme Court they're going to agree with the Trump judge in Washington. Well you know it goes to the point where you think the Supreme Court judges were unbiased and independent thinking and had the Constitution in mind when they render their decisions. But then you look at how they got in and then you look at you know I'm going to say it on the program bar and how he got in and how he is switched to be completely biased and completely you know the cheerleader for the President of the United States. I wouldn't think I'd see this in my lifetime but I have. Well actually I probably saw during the Nixon time you know the AG for Nixon was pretty much a cheerleader for Nixon and but you know it's disappointing to see that. You wonder where is our democracy if you can buy your judges and then get them installed and they'll vote obediently for you as a point of loyalty. That strikes against the the whole principle of democracy in my life. Yeah and the one institution that you need to rely on with all this chaos is the media. Is the media. And he attacked CNN this week. He said that we should all boycott CNN and it was a it was a failing news organization anyway. It's part of the ongoing war against the press that hasn't stopped and in 20 ways he's having an effect on that. Okay oh my god I'm so depressed we have to stop. You keep getting depressed after these shows. Sorry we'll get up for the next one next week. Tim Appichella, Cynthia Sinclair, thank you so much you guys. Thank you Jay. Aloha. We appreciate it.