 hard candy in your grandmothers. Was that your go? Like, at your online? Hello, everybody. Hello, welcome to the last day of KubeCon. He's kidding. Am I yelling? You're not even online. I like how you were ready to jump in. That was pretty awesome. I got bamboozled again? I mean, it's the week for it. I am. We need to come up with like a... Damn. What? So we are live? No, we're live. Scream, screwing with me. I'm going to still say it. We need to come up with like a... One last time. In his defense, it was funny. But welcome to the last day of KubeCon. This is CloudNative TV. We have guests. Before we start talking, I have to remind everyone that as this is an official CNCF livestream, especially today because we are physically at KubeCon, the CNCF code of conduct applies. So be nice and please don't be a creep. Thank you. That includes you Twitch chat. Be kind to each other all the time. Yeah, be kind to each other. I've got guests. I've got my co-host, Maddie Stratton. What up? We're also blessed by the presence of Duffy, who you all probably know, and the other me? Hello, I'm Kat Cosgrove. Welcome to CloudNative TV. Right. I screwed up the beginning. I'm Ian Coldwater. Let's just start it all over. Okay, log off with Twitch. Can we just kill the stream and restart? Yeah, just unplug it and then leave it unplugged for 30 seconds and then plug it back in again. Anyway, it's the last day of KubeCon. It's the last day of KubeCon. How's everybody feeling? I feel like we kind of did the unplug it, plug it back in thing. I really feel like it was a big reset for a lot of people. Yeah. I've been talking to a few people about how all of it went. A lot of people are asking, what did you think of the conference and that kind of stuff? I think one of the big takeaways for me was a friend. This was their first KubeCon. They've been to many other conferences. This was their first KubeCon, and I was saying that this is probably an amazing first-in-person KubeCon because everybody has time to spend with each other. We're not so busy that we have to settle for hello and then wander off. That's all the people did to me, though. Maybe should I take that personal? You should take that personal. There's plenty of time to spend with lots of people, but yet all the people did to Matt, he was, Hi. Yo, I think people don't like you, Matt. Maybe not. Maybe someone should dress up as me. You're right. I apologize. I'm Ian. Be kind, Ian. Weirdly, that was pretty kind for you. Wow. Goodness. What a burn. What was something that was exciting to y'all about all of this? I kind of enjoyed how few people there were. How many attendees are here in person? A couple thousand? 3,500. 3,500? 3,400 of which were vendors. Vendors, yeah. Well, it would have been nice also to have the pre-pandemic KubeCon back, right? With a bajillion people here and it's like go, go, go the whole time. I could not have handled that. Also, I have really enjoyed being able to move and walk around and not wait in super long lines for everything. Being able to get a seat at literally any talk I want to go to has also been pretty rad for me. It does seem like some vendors pulled out all the stops with swag, though. It was a big year for plushies. Stuffies were a thing. Yeah, they were having a stuffy moment. We almost had a stuffy fight at the booth, but then we forgot. Who doesn't like plushies, though? I don't know. The Argo CD one is so cute. Did you see the cluster API one? Oh, my God, no. Adorable. What is it? So it's these three turtles on the top for turtles all the way down and then they have little Kate's shells. Yeah, the CNCF store, they were so cute. Oh, my God, that's precious. I hate that I missed that one. We were supposed to have plushies, but there were supply chain problems. Oh, my God. But there would have been a plumy puss. Is that what everybody's talking about with supply chain? That is. It's not about the fact that we couldn't get the plumy puss stuffies. Yeah, it's not a security thing. It's a stuffy thing. It's a stuffy bill of materials. Come on. So the keynote from the Fed this morning was definitely talking about stuffies. I like it. Yeah. I was actually also super fortunate to present with Ian at one talk and it was a recorded talk and that was kind of a weird experience because I found myself sitting next to people I was talking about in the talk and it was like, you know, it was like kind of a bizarre thing. Time is not linear. With the people who we were giving a talk with. Right? Yeah. I was like, hold it on me a little bit there. And right before that, it was also a great talk with you and Brad and that was tremendous. Thank you. Had a great time. I got to give three talks in one day on Wednesday which was a bunch of talks counting the pre-recorded ones. That's right. So, but yeah, it was good. Super good shell coupon experience. I did not get any talks accepted which I am super fine with because I've had enough to do without giving a talk this year and I don't think I could have dealt with it. However, I was in a talk as a prop. I want to be salty that I didn't get any talks accepted but I also didn't submit any talks. That will do it. Yeah. So that's my learning. Continuous improvement. Did you get to see any talks, Maddie? I really didn't. Just living at Booth Hustle? I was doing others. I was doing podcasts and just sort of hallway tracking a little bit but it was okay. Like I was bummed that I didn't go see talks but it was also a little bit like sort of easing back into the whole thing and there was a lot of good conversations happening. I figured you went and saw all the talks. I went to a bunch of talks. So actually, let's be fair, the reason I didn't really go see any talks is because Cat couldn't be bothered to be in our booth and I had to be there. It's true. I did shirk booth duty. Yeah, so it's okay though. It's cool. It's good. I was busy being room moderator, okay? Yeah. Oh right, you're Cat. Yeah. See, and we never even did that. That was like a missed opportunity though. We always do that. So I gave three talks in a day and Cat was moderating all of the talks. I like how you were trying to remember like what Cat moderated. It's a struggle. We're really losing our grip on this joke here. I mean the realities you probably at this point have a hard enough time remembering that you actually did yourself. Much less remembering who you're pretending to be and what they did. To be fair, everybody else is also losing their grip on this joke at this point. So it all kind of works out. Yeah, especially since now Nara is involved and it's just like, it's wigs all the way down. All the way down. It's wigs all the way down. Did you see anybody else in a purple wig? Sasha was running around for a while. Sasha, we see any others? A lot of people who said that they would have brought theirs but they didn't. I'm impressed by the number of people who seem to indicate that they own the wig. There are a lot of people who own that wig. I would be very curious as to their sales analytics and if they knew why that particular color skyrocketed sometime in December. We can maybe look at the Google analytics for that specific Amazon page and see if we can make an estimated guess that our impact on sales numbers for this product. Has anybody looked at Google's light geist for like Ian Coldwater wig? Oh no. So, everybody's favorite keynotes or talks that they saw? I really liked the Paris and Kristoff had to say. That was really good. I think that was probably also my favorite S-bomb talk. I was going to say that one because of Paris's S-bomb. Exactly, yeah. I think that really... Both my favorite keynote and my favorite S-bomb talk. That was a really great one. Shout out to Steven Augustus for just making it all look so good every time. He was confident and awesome and had a lot of really great things to say. His secret is Alexander McQueen. My man has been fully decked out in Alexander McQueen for like three days. To be fair, he was wearing coms des garçons today too. True. He's makes an imagine. We are a fashionable bunch. SIG fashion. SIG fashion in general. Any keynotes that do your attention? Other than the Paris one. Other than what she just said. The Paris one is it for me. That's hard it for me. Steven just getting up on stage and rambling about burnout was also pretty good. It felt appropriate for a discussion on burnout for it to get kind of rambly because we are all tired. You came real close to using your one F-bomb right there. I did. I did. This is a PG-13 stream. We get one F-bomb and we're going to be tactical about it. Wait, do we get to share the F-bomb? No, there's one. We have one F-bomb purpose. No, no, one for the whole show. One total F-bomb. So whoever finds the most impactful moment to use an F-bomb gets it. It feels like when did I agree with this? Our producer is giving us the eyeball. This is actually not true. Paris and Kristoff's keynote was amazing. A non-keynote talk that I was really excited about today was Tabby Sable's talk in the Maintainer track about the DSP deprecation and the road to pod security admission. Did that talk with Tim Alcler virtually? That talk was amazing because not only did they give the technical details about the new pod security admission that's coming to replace pod security policy, but it was also a really good talk about leadership and technical decision-making and what the road to making a decision like that looks like. And I think it generally had like really good leadership technical and life advice in a way that I thought was really great and is definitely worth watching. I actually was watching the live tweeting of that talk, and I would say that was one of the talks I was paying attention to through live tweeting. And I thought, you're right, like that was, again, a live tweet of a talk is not the same as watching the talk, but it was what I was getting to. So that was sort of my final memory of talks I didn't see at QCon. Yeah, the second episode of Ellen and Tabby's Netflix series on the road to security, it was also entertaining as always. The amount of work that goes into making that talk happen is incredible. Outrageous. It wouldn't work in an in-person conference. So that's a huge upside to virtual. Should we see if Tabby wants to come and talk about it? If we can get, is Tabby right there? Hey Tabby. Want to come talk about your talks? Yeah. Come on up. I'm going to take my headset off and Tabby can come sit here. It was good to see you all. One thing I will say that before I go is that I do think that one of my big takeaways from this QCon is that I'm really grateful that everybody has been here, either virtually or in person. And it's just really great to have you all here. It is. It's been, virtual side's been blowing up. The physical side's been really great. And thank you all for such an incredible QCon. And it's been so good to see everybody. It has been, geez. Thank you Duffy. It is. Hi. Thank you for having me. Welcome to the Friday evening wrap up in the quiet storm here at CNCF. It's a little more luxurious than the usual. We all join each other from our homes. It's kind of nice. You don't sit in a nice pseudo suede, easy chair at home. It's like micro suede. Micro fiber. Micro fiber. But the chair in my house has my cat on my lap. So it kind of evens out. That's true. That's true. That's why I don't like, my employer has an office in Seattle. I don't go to it. I have never been to it. I do not intend to ever do that. Because no cat. You can't take your cat. Yeah, I can't take my cat on the bus. I mean, I can take your cat occasionally. You do. Oh, yeah. That's true. Yeah, we share a cat. We share a cat. Yeah. We can't tell the difference between the cat. So we assume it's one cat. They've never been seen on camera at the same time. One of them jumps off camera. The other one will jump out of the other ones. Yeah. So I think it's just one cat that's milking us both for extra snack. It's like a cat uncertainty principle. Yeah. Well, cats don't comply with the laws of the mortal world. Absolutely not. It wouldn't surprise me. They do as they wish and get away with it. They do. I mean, it's their apartment. You just live in it? Yeah, I just live in it. I'm paying the rent for them. They deserve no less. They're perfect angels. Okay? Even when they wake me up in the middle of the night biting my face. Because they want attention. Because I'm asleep. Thank you for joining the CNCF Twitch stream for the hard-hitting Kubernetes content. About cats. About cats. I mean. Yeah. I mean, it's really why y'all tuned in. It is. Internet loves cats. It's fine. That's a good point. I heard the internet was made of cats. It is made of cats. It is made of cats. I believe that. Sure. Maybe our cat is getting from our respective apartments via the internet. Cat egress. Cat egress. Yeah. Do you need a matching cat egress? Probably. Yeah. I hope there's at least some pre-shared key or something there so you don't end up with somebody else's cat. Yeah. Well, who knows? We've seen pictures on Twitter of other cats that are very similar. There could be an alarming number of families that are sharing this one cat and we're all just getting cancelled. Oh, no. Oh, God. Get out. We trusted you. We invited you on this stage. We gave you a headset. And this is what you give us in return. Can I help you do something that you'd like better? I mean, if you're a cat, do I get river shells out of the deal? Because like, okay. Yes. And you can upgrade them to TTYs so that you can use VI. Sounds great. How was your KubeCon though, Tabitha? I can't imagine my KubeCon being better. Like, it's like going into the forest of Arden where you never sleep and see people that you love, see people that you have just met, and really have a wonderful time. And then by the time the sleep deprivation catches up with you, it's time to go home and then everything evens out. I did take a nap today. I moderated your talk and your last talk and I left immediately and took a nap for an hour and then came back here. That sounds great. Yeah, that's wisdom. I needed it. What was your favorite talk though? My favorite talk, several of the community focused keynotes were amazing. One of the group of them, I would choose the one that Paris gave. The S-bomb talk. The S-bomb talk. But like, Luke Hins' community focused keynotes about software supply chain was amazing. Stephen's Heart Feels, which was fundamentally about community because we can't continue to participate in community if we flame ourselves out of it, was amazing. And there was a community focused talk earlier that now I'm blanking on who gave it, but that was also... Sorry about that. That's what we get from my memory. Look, everybody's running on fumes. Yeah, I've got one brain cell rattling around in there and it's doing its best. Thanks for letting me borrow the brain cell today. I really needed it for the talks. We do only have one to share amongst the group and you needed it more than I did today. I'm so grateful. So there is one wildly surprising thing that I found that I missed about conferences. I missed the crappy conference lunch. I needed that specific kind of shitty food and nothing recreates that. Not like airline food doesn't do it. I need like a bad sandwich or like a damp burrito. This is where I admit that I spent so much of the con holed up in my room polishing my talks, but like did that happen at this KubeCon? Okay. Y'all, guess what I found? What did you find? I found a caslin field and she's amazing. Oh my gosh. I had said. Caslin coming out. Love y'all. Bye. Bye. Unexpected. It's Caslin. Hi, Caslin. Welcome. It's great to see you. You didn't think we just... You thought you were just going to walk by and wave and not... Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. Well, I mean, I kind of thought that would happen, but... I don't teach you. Indeed. What did we learn? That friends are friends forever. That Kubernetes is made out of community. That Cloud Native is made out of community. Those are actual learnings. I mean, we are the Borg. And software supply chain is about stuffed animals. It is, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. For context, the S and S bomb is stuffy. It's stuffed animals. Oh. I love it. Yeah. I just got a stuffed animal of Fippy. Oh, that's cute. So excited about it. Yeah. How large is it? It's like that. Oh, it's life-size. Well, do you have it? It is right over there, yes. I think you need to get it. Yeah, you should probably grab it. Because it matters. It does matter. It really matters. This is a visual medium. Yeah, it is a visual medium. It's not a podcast. It's not a podcast. Oh, and a go-go for the cameras right there. Oh, gosh. Look how cute these are. Can I unwrap this? Okay. Although, it's got a great cat toy effect right now. You may have the honors of unwrapping a Fippy. Look at that. Oh, Vanna. So we know that the highlight of your cube con was getting the stuffy of Fippy. But what would be the second best? I mean, second is definitely the keynote. The time you gave a keynote, which is not a big deal at all. It's second. It's second to the stuffy. It's not a big deal. You're very cool. I really enjoyed your keynote. I feel like those sorts are a challenge to really be engaging with. I thought that you did a great job with that. I really enjoyed it. Well, you're incredible. And everybody knows it. Apparently. The adorable drawings didn't hurt any either. Yes. It goes a long way. So how's your cube con been? We're here at the end of the cube con. I'm really curious what people have thought about it. I feel like each person I've talked to has had a very different opinion, like a very different experience, which makes a lot of sense, you know? People are different. Everyone has their own experience, but... Well, and it's such a wild situation. Yeah, exactly. It's weird. It's been a weird year. A little bit. Two years. And it is kind of uncomfortable being around people again. I just feel so astoundingly lucky that any number of us were able to act, to be here together, given all the circumstances. Some people went through incredible hoops to be here. Allison flew to Canada. And she stayed in Canada for two weeks. In order to clear the... Yeah, the 14-day requirement to get into the U.S. because she was from the U.K. and can't fly from the U.K. to the U.S. I want to say something to everybody who wasn't able to come here. I feel like that... I feel so grateful for all the folks who are joining us on the other side of the series of tubes, because... Cats. Cats, the series of cats. Are there tubes filled with cats? Because, I don't know, it's hard. It's hard. And I'm grateful for everybody who took the time not being able to go and hug their friends to still come and, like, share cloud-native with us. And some... And, you know, it was probably a little bit better sweet for some people watching us, like, hug our friends, have fun. I know that Ellen is kind of sad about it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, like... Missed, though. I wish they could be here. I'll give you a harder squeeze next time. Even bigger, consensually. That's the only way we do, because it's made out of consent. I have... Everything is consent. I have loved not having to shake hands with people. Oh, gosh, yeah. Like, let me bump your elbow. Yeah, please. I really do like the elbow bumps. I do. That can stick around until the end of my day as far as I'm concerned. Oh, for sure. Do not shake my hand. I don't want to touch your hand. Yeah, for sure. I do like that we abandoned what we did at the very beginning of the panning with where we thought, like, the foot tap. That was a thing. Oh, I never saw the foot tap. Oh, no. So there was like two weeks in March when we thought... Like a two-player hokey pokey? Yeah. A little bit, a little bit. So, like, conferences that, like, Scale and Dev Ops is New York that were at the beginning of March before everything shut down when we thought, oh, just wash your hands. We'll get out of this. Right? It was... That was the thing. It wasn't elbow bumps. It was a foot tap. And it was the kind of thing that if you were me, it meant that you were probably going to fall several times throughout the day. Oh, because of the balance there. Yeah, yeah. Or the lack of... Yeah. Yeah. How about moving on to elbow taps? Yeah. I'm a fan of the elbow tap. Yeah. Like, the tattoo industry has had the elbow tap thing figured out for, like, an eternity. Because once you have, like, washed your hands in your forearms and you have gloves on, you can't touch anything. Yeah. But if somebody comes by and they want to say, hi, it's just an elbow tap. So, yeah, that needs to stick around. Yeah, it does. Because really, like, I haven't been sick in a year and a half. That's fair. And that's been actually really wicked. So... I really hope that continues. Yeah. I'm going to just keep wearing masks even after it's not, like, a social requirement. But... Yeah. ...Casalyn, did you have any favorite talks other than your own absolutely banging keynote? You know. Or if you didn't get to any talks. I got to quite a few, actually. And I went to a really good one earlier today, which was by Peter O'Neill. I believe that's the right name. And I learned these things as I'm live tweeting them. And I have to like... That is such a skill, and I really admire it. I've tried and just scrubbed out. Casalyn's very good at it. Yeah. It's how I take notes on the sessions. That's brilliant. Yeah. I learned a long time ago that I can share my notes with everyone. And it combines a quick tidbit with a picture. And that's what I need for my notes. So it's perfect. But the session was about... Peter was a network engineer. And now we're in this new cloud-native world. So what does that mean for a network engineer? How does that change your job? There's so much interesting network engineering in cloud-native. But I've heard it said that you don't need network engineers because the cloud provider takes care of it. But like it's not true at all. Turns out... You do need network engineers. It's the same only different. If you remember there was a brief time we had a thing called NoOps. And there's a reason it didn't stick around. They only NoOps I need are like, $X90, give me a bunch of those in front of my shellcode and I'm happy. That's fine. So he was giving this perspective of now we're adopting Kubernetes. I'm a network engineer. What networking problems are there in Kubernetes that I can help solve? Oh gosh, there's so much to learn there. Yeah. So it was a great perspective looking at debugging tools and ways to use Kubernetes from a network engineer's perspective. And it was fantastic. I'll have to check that one out later. Yeah, I'll have to see that what I'm doing is basically magic. It's agreed to me. I spend a lot of time helping people get to the root of their really finicky networking problems and it sounds like, A, I could pick something up from this and then B, I could share it with others. Do you know your 8 times tables? Yeah. Okay, you're probably fine. I'm probably fine? Okay. Yeah, I mean I made it through the fourth grade. So I, you know what? I pulled that grade number just like out of nowhere. I don't know in what grade you learn your times tables. I think you might be not too far off, although I do feel like it's pretty third grade. Third grade? It might be younger than I don't know. I feel like you're still solidifying them for a few years there. Although I feel like my kids like learn stuff sooner than we did. So as long as I can multiply I can be a network engineer. By 8s. By 8s. Factors of 8 though, not the 8 times tables. I was wrong. Tabitha, is this true or is it equal in a leg? I mean like to the extent that what he's saying is true. Yeah, if you can remember 256 and 128 and 64, like, yeah. I can remember, I know those numbers. Yeah, if you can remember those numbers then you've got at least a solid one quarter of 1% of network engineering on lock. You can probably get your CCNA. You're good. Oh sick. No problem. Oh, there's a new certification. Yes. Oh yeah, that seems really cool. Yeah, I need to take it. I don't have any certs. Me neither. Do you want to be my accountability buddy? Yes. Aren't we both ambassadors? Yes. Can I cheer both of you on? This will be fabulous. We're supposed to do things. Yeah, I actually, funny story here. I have actually taken the certified Kubernetes administrator exam before and I failed it the first time. I've heard that it's really, I've heard that it's really challenging. Yes. I mean, I've known multiple people to fail it the first time. One thing about it is just understanding the certification format. I also did a certification for Japanese language. A lot of people suggest just take the easiest level the first time no matter what level you're at just as a preview of what the testing environment is like. Exactly. And I feel like there's a lot of that with the CKA as well. So there's a lot of learning that you have to do. Because optimizing how you deal with things to not run out of time. Exactly. I've heard is key, right? Exactly, yes. Yeah, we should do that together. We should. Because we should absolutely have at least one cert. At least one cert. Come on. We should do it. We should do it. We should do it. Believe in us. Believe in us. We're tired. We're not going to take the exam right this second. Oh, no. No. Take the exam called on Friday afternoon of COOPCon. Live on Twitter. Live on. Live on Twitter. I think they'd have a problem with that. You think we should fire it up? Fire it up. We should do it right now. I'm going to fail it so hard. That'll be amazing. I have one brain cell. We should probably not do that. We should probably not do that. Yeah, you can have the brain cell back. My tops are done. You're going to need it for the CKA. You can have it for the Cloud Native Associate. Okay. Yes. But the Cloud Native Associate does sound like a really exciting new certification. It does. That's targeted at a broader audience. Yeah. It's meant for people in more different types of roles, with different types of skill sets, to display and kind of an expertise, a level of knowledge with Cloud Native Technologies and the Cloud Native Ecosystems. Yeah. There's a huge gap in the list of certs we had available. So it's a good thing to finally have a cert that kind of feels a little bit more broad, isn't so like hard focused on Kubernetes. And it was mentioned in the keynotes, and if you're interested out there in taking this cert, it's currently doing some beta testing. It's a beta. Because it's brand new. So if you want to sign up for the beta testing, I think there was information in the keynotes. There was. About how to sign up for that. Yeah, there was information in the keynotes. And I am pretty sure that the CNCF Twitter account tweeted about it. Ooh, yes. Always a good spot to find information. Yeah. Because then you can just click it. Because then you can just click it. Instead of Googling, yeah. I'm not going to trawl through the keynote from Monday or whenever it was to find a link to it. Yeah. I'm pretty sure it's on the CNCF Twitter account. I think once it's up on YouTube, that section will probably be its own video. Oh, like with the little easier. And the videos go up within like two weeks. Yeah. Ish. So it should be done soon. But yeah, maybe we should do the Cloud Native Associate first. I like this idea. Is it the easiest one? I like this idea. I've actually already signed up to do the beta testing for myself. All right, so Caslin is far more committed to this than you. More committed to this thing you didn't know you were going to do until two and a half minutes ago. So get on it. I apologize. Okay. I've screwed up. I've let the entire time. And you know, I don't, I don't know. It's okay. I got you. This is, this is a shame that I'm going to have to live with. I'm going to have to carry it. Until you have completed the exam. Until I have completed the exam. Passing it. And you will, you will bring honor back to your family. Bring honor back to my family of my husband and my two, two cats. I mean real talk though, like if, actually if you take it, then you'll be in a lot better place to be able to tell a story. Better place to be able to tell other people what it was like. Yeah. Like, you know, whether it's a good use for what they want to do. What? Comments and stuff? Oh. Oh. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What do we have? Fippy wants to read. What? Fippy's reading over your shoulder. Oh, Fippy. Yeah, help me, buddy. Let's see. Are there any comments about Fippy? I have CKD and CKA going for CKS now. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So now we can see the Twitch chat. So. Yeah. So if you want to talk, please chat with us. This is Carlos Santana from the hallway zoom. Oh, is the hallway zoom watching us? Wait, Carlos Santana's here? I guess so. Sweet. I feel, I'm honored. Yeah. I like your champagne. Are we thinking about a different Carlos Santana? It's a lonely, there's a lonely island song about don't worry about it, man. It's okay. But anyway. I love you, Maddie. Anyway. More comments. More comments. That's what we've got right now. Oh, okay. That's what we've got right now. Because I don't think this has been like... We're just talking to ourselves. Okay. Fair. No, I mean, you're all very important. You're all very important and we're glad to have you. The coolest people on the internet have exams? No. Like right now? Definitely. Not like right now, like in general. Like I've heard. We can probably do like a stream afterward and be like... Yeah. How did that make you feel? I mean, usually like, yeah, you're kind of frown upon sharing the exam online. Yeah. I mean, when I got my Ham Radio certification, it was like, the testing was, it was proctored even though I was doing it like remotely. Yeah. I mean, I had to open the camera around my room and there were requirements about like what was allowed to be, like I couldn't be in a room. On your desk. I couldn't be in a room with a bookshelf. Yeah. So it was, it was super, it was super intense. That's really intense. Yeah. Yeah. I could not be in a room with a bookshelf. So it was like, fortunately, I, I live like a cave troll. So there's actually not a lot of art on the walls in my apartment and there's literally none on the walls in my home. It's like, I'm not sure if I can make my bed for the first time in, I don't know, maybe like five or six years. They check to make sure that you make your bed. Well, I didn't, did they check for the corners? I didn't want people to find out that I didn't want the, the, the ham radio people to find out. So I live. I mean, I mean, there's a lot of in Lee nature. You've seen a ham shack that's been in operation for like 20 years. It depends on what class you're testing for. That's true. That's true. If you want extra class, the vet has to be sloppily unmade. All the disarray. But is it that intense for the? It's not quite that intense, I don't think. But there are proctoring requirements. Like, you can't have things on your desk. You can't have things around you. You have to spin it around to show all that kind of stuff. Yeah, and the spin around is pretty common. And by the way, I took it in, oh, gosh, 2018 or 2017. There weren't practice tests, really, at that point. There's good practice tests now, right? And there are great practice tests now. So if you don't be super intimidated by it or anything, there's some great learning resources out there to help you prepare for the test these days. Yeah, that's so good. Chat says that you're only a clean desk and you're only allowed to visit the Kubernetes docs and GitHub. Yes. So it's also testing to see if you're going to be using the docs, which I do think is an underrated skill. It's very important. I have heard a tip of getting skeleton yamls out of kubectl getfoo-o-yaml, scrubbing out the parts you don't like and then applying them back in to avoid spending as much time clicking through the docs. OK, it's a timed exam, right? Exactly, yeah. There's also some suggestions about aliasing kubectl to K. But I did that during my first exam, but I never do that normally when I'm using kubectl. So it totally messed me up. I don't use aliases at all. I mean plus one, actually. Yeah, I have some cute ones that I don't actually use. I have pseudo aliases to please. So I can type please and get pseudo, but I don't actually ever do that. But yeah, I don't alias anything ever at all because frequently I'm doing live demos and I'm teaching somebody something. Yeah, so I want to type out the full command. Yeah, using a cute, like, shorthand thing doesn't actually help you do it. The only one that I use regularly is I have CLS alias to see because I clear my screen really fast a lot. But no one's watching. You can just hit Command K. But yeah. That's two. Well, I guess C and Enter is two. Yeah, you can just hit Command K. I see a lot of people typing clear, like while they're doing demos or giving talks or whatever. You can just hit Command K. Yeah. But maybe you can. You know, one use of aliases that I really like, I guess during demos or if I'm doing a bunch of back and forth Kube CTL operations against two different clusters is rather than a forever alias that lives in your dot files, just doing a real quick alias K-foo, Kube CTL-context-foo. And then in the other one, like alias K-bar, Kube CTL-context-bar in order to do less thrashing of contexts. So then you just be like, nope, in this window, we're in this one, in this window, we're in this one. And that is useful for me. I don't know if anybody else wants it. But I hope it's helpful to somebody. But you put it out there. I mean, yeah, I was trying. Yeah, follow Tabitha on Twitter if you use that tip. We're farming for Twitter followers here. It's fair. It's fair. Actually, I should probably. We were trying to get rich burrows over 10,000 today, but it didn't work. Oh, how short was he? Like, he's like maybe 80 short. Should be able to get a hash. Oh my goodness. That's close. I didn't realize he was so close. Or maybe it's 800. I don't know. I am probably supposed to say that you should follow us on Twitch. Who? Oh, oh. There's like a follow button. There's like a follow button. If you get a cloud native TV. Well, I mean, they're watching us on Twitch. Yeah, exactly. So if you're watching and you haven't followed yet. Yeah, you should push the button. There's also an option to turn on notifications when we're live. But like, maybe you should do that. But I personally don't do that. It annoys the hell out of me. I do do that. But I always don't notice the notification until a while later. Yeah. Like, oh, CNCFTV is live now. I'll go check it out. And it was like two hours ago. Yeah. It's really only useful for gamers. It'll do 10 hour streams or whatever. I can ignore a notification from any of the gamers I follow on Twitch. You know, it seems like when you get that notification and you miss it, it at least serves as a prompt to go and send somebody a DM on CNCF Slack. Like, oh, hey, I missed your thing, but it was really good. Congrats to you or whatever. I mean, if you watch it later. You shouldn't lie. You shouldn't say it was good if you didn't watch it. That would be rude. We owe honesty to each other. But we love it when you watch the recordings, too. And they also go up on YouTube later. Does they automatically transfer something? I think someone actually does it. I was going to say, I think that's automatically from Bill. Somebody in the chat is saying bye for now. It's 3 AM in their location. But they had their first KubeCon talk today. Oh, congratulations! Massive congratulations. So proud of you. Fippy is proud of you. And thank you for joining us at Silly in the Morning. That's, wow, thank you. Yeah, that's much appreciated. We applaud your strange life choices. Yeah, well, we all do ridiculous things for technology. Kat, want to come back on? Kat, what's up? Yeah, shall we switch? Yeah, we'll swap here. Oh, you're done. We'll play musical castings. Musical headsets. Hello, everyone. I feel like I should have brought a stuffed animal. Yeah, I feel like I should have brought a stuffed animal. But here you are. But here we are. A whole day of Gopher. What are you going to name the Gopher? I think it has a name in the books. Welcome back, Kat. Isn't it just Goldie? Yes, Goldie. Goldie, OK. Oh, which always bothers me because it's blue. Well, it's not even always blue. I have a Gopher plushie, and mine's purple. This is specifically the one from the books, though. Goldie Gopher is also the mascot of the University of Minnesota football team. And therefore, all of the Golangia pornography is extremely confusing to everybody who goes to the University of Minnesota, or has ever gone to it. That's an interesting piece of trivia, thank you. Today I learned. You're just full of interesting trivia with the impromptu history of the seven of nine joke on your talk title. Wonderful. No, like actually, I think that's a really good thing to put out there because, I don't know, there's silly bits of humor, but I don't want people to feel othered because they weren't in the right place or watching the right TV reruns. It's a good piece of lore. I want everybody to be able to laugh about it. It's a good piece of lore, and it should be explained more frequently. Agreed. So welcome back, Kat. Thank you. How's it going, Ian? You know, it's good. I have a computer now, so I can talk to the Twitch chat. You can fill out caps. Ellen is in there, and they're saying that we shouldn't be shaming Matt. So why were we shaming Matt? Who was shaming Matt, and for what? I don't remember. No, I agree. We shouldn't shame Matt. We shouldn't. We shouldn't shame Matt. We shouldn't be doing that. I think I gave Matt the brain cell. Matt is like, huh? Matt doesn't even know what's going on. He's off screen confused right now. I know that I've said this to you privately, but now I want to say it to you here in front of the internet. And everybody, thank you so much. It was so much fun to work on that. And like, wonderful. This is so cute. As an attendee, it was also a lot of fun to watch. It was a lot of fun to watch. So thank you for putting in a lot of work on that. Yeah. Yeah. It came across really, really well. So if you didn't catch Ellen and Tabitha's talk, you should absolutely watch the recording of that. Someone described it as a fever dream. That's it. I think that's accurate. Yeah. Yeah, that's accurate. I missed it. I'm a little disappointed that I didn't get to go over metaphysical threats because. Well, that's clearly the three-quel, right? The three-quel? Oh, no. Let's go. Oh, no. Is this not a Netflix series at this point? KubeCon is over. Time to get ready for KubeCon. Oh, no. Is the CFP open? Yeah, I was going to say, is the CFP open? Yeah, like tomorrow, right? It's probably very soon. Probably, yeah. So make sure to submit a CFP for the next KubeCon because it's in Valencia. And it's going to be beautiful. It's going to be beautiful. And the one after that is in Detroit, which I am so excited for. I love Detroit. I've never been to Detroit, but I would love an excuse. Detroit is so cool. And I am so excited to be high and mighty about it. So is Chris Short. Chris Short is very excited about it. I am so excited about the Midwest representation. I don't think we've ever had a Midwestern. We've not. We haven't. It's been coasties all the time. Well, in Austin, which is sort of coasty. But I'm excited for the actual Midwest to have a moment to shine. Because I have a lot of Midwest pride. So here we go. Well, we've got like three minutes to go. Any parting words from y'all? I wanted to reiterate the appreciation for all of the folks watching online and who attended KubeCon virtually this week. It's a lot, we know. And it's been very overwhelming to have so much virtual stuff going on. And having to attend from wherever you are can be distracting. And there can be all sorts of things going on in your life. But if you were able to spend some of it with us at KubeCon virtually, we'd really appreciate it. And we hope that you learned something fun and new. And got something to take back with you. Oh my gosh, the biggest plus one, yeah. I want to express appreciation too for the events team. All of the maintainers, and contributors, and program committee members, and track chairs, and room moderators, and all of the people who put in so much work to make this event happen. The staff of the building, the folks who were feeding us, all of the people on the ground. The AV folks who took all of my non-standard last minute requests. All the people who don't get shoutouts all the time doing all of that work, y'all are awesome. Thank you so much for all of the work that you did. Literally could not have happened without you. Especially after the last couple of years and coming back and doing those types of jobs. Again, yeah, the logistics of making this whole thing work in a hybrid format are outrageous. And the sheer quantity of support staff required to make it work smoothly for both us on site. And you online, it's incredible. Like, it's a curculean effort. And everybody did a great job. Just in awe, honestly. Every time I did anything here at the conference, I was just in awe of the amount of planning that it had to take in to get us all here. And with kindness. And with kindness for each other. And shout out to the Kubernetes community for being amazing. I'm so proud to be a part of this community. Oh my gosh, yeah. It's the best. And so are you. Oh, yeah, so true. Ian's always here. Sorry, Kat's always here to sparkle. Duffy gave me a sticker earlier that says, you are hot and smart. And is it sparkly? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It is sparkly. That's been our standard, like, gassing each other up compliment for a bunch of people for a little while. So like, welcome to the crew. Hot and smart. You're hot and smart, Kat. You're hot and smart, Kat. Hot and smart. Hot smart. You, specifically, you are hot and smart. Hot and smart. So hot and smart. Anyway, I guess that's it for us. Thank you for tuning into Cloud Native TV. Yeah. Thank you. I'm Kat Cosgrove. And I'm Ian Coldwater. I'll see you next KubeCon. Bye.