 Jimmy you're wearing the same shirt two weeks in a row. Is that allowed actually been wearing it for a few days now kiss Here it is. This is what we're talking about today. We are alive On a metal voice the metal panel on Sunday Jaws Lavery, Perrin Wilson and Kenny the man on the street in New York Today guys, we're gonna talk about two things number one, of course the new era of kiss We'll talk about that afterwards, but first we're gonna talk about the final Humanoid farewell tour. So the humans have left the building kiss have left the building Kenny was there in New York Amongst many many other people Just kind of give us a lowdown of the the atmosphere the feeling the build-up And the show itself, you know and guys feel free to ask Kenny questions as we start off with Kenny What was the build-up like for the first the last week before kids? I've never seen anything like it in Manhattan. I've been I've 60 years old almost and I've never seen anything like it. I started going to concerts at Madison Square Garden in 1978 Honestly, I've never the blitz started Monday with Metro cards that you take this on the subway here put it right on here put on your This one's Which immediately sold out of course and I was lucky enough to have people that work at Madison Square Garden at construction guys That got them for me and then they did newspapers every day New York Post special editions that were in special areas That was Wednesday Thursday was a special tribute to the matter of the Empire State Building beautiful shoot and then Friday was the last shows But I've never seen a media blitz like this at all the merch the pop-up stores I waited two and a half hours with Sam wall Jimmy They were sold out nobody. They should have told people on the line We got in there. They had they had smalls and triple X's left on on four shared style But it was amazing Scott Braun did a excellent job there yesterday covering the Yeah, shout out to Scott Braun the photographer of North America for the metal voice You know some excellent shots and he's gonna be coming out with even more shots He's developing them as we speak and people will see the mood of New York I've worked with Scott for years at BB Kings. I was his sort of the camera assistant. I'd hold his camera bag and stuff I know him for years. He's a great guy But I'm going to heading right up into the show the milk the build-up. I've never seen anything like it but Going in it was okay. Well, let's go back guys. If you have questions before the show were there So I Like I was debating with a friend a friend of mine said well, of course They have taxi cabs and and the Empire State Building and the Metro cards They're they're paying for it and I said to him just because you can pay for it I'm pretty sure if Pearl Jam said we're gonna walk down some money And we want you to light up the Empire State Building with Pearl Janet imagery. They would want a taxi cab and a metro It would be no, you know, it just wouldn't happen because as big a band Pearl Jam as an example is they're just not culturally iconic enough to All walks of life that it would kind of really matter to anybody. So Yeah, I'm sure there it was a paid for media blitz to a certain extent But just because you go to somebody with money doesn't mean they're gonna say yeah We'll partake in that like the New York so so you're so you're saying was the Manhattan building and all the tax Is it with kiss? Paid for or not or deal struck Jean struck a deal Kenny I would I would think they paid for some of it But most of it is advertising because even the mayor mayor Adams declared a kiss day on one of the it was Wednesday Thursday or Friday. I think it could have been Friday was declared kiss day I think it was Thursday because they went to the Empire State Building They did a lot of promo shoots all around the city at the the dress to kill spot the street corner They were all over the place on on Thursday, but um, I do believe what about out of towners out of towners Are we getting all over Jimmy? It started Monday? I work in Times Square and I'm right in the hot wood, you know, and I'm out all the time in the street Look, it started by Thursday. It was hot. It was like Halloween Friday everybody was in drug makeup At least one out of every 10 people will walk on by and kiss make up these these young kids in my lobby never saw anything like this They were like wow you old men get down and because it was all the old people the young people getting dressed up Scott told me there was people from Sweden. He was taking pictures of Sweden, right from Canada from California We're talking about this was a global event everyone going to New York gentlemen next to me and also It's the wife the wife and husband next to me and my wife were from Australia and they had laid big buck down I'm not kidding. Yeah, and he was I eat all he said was I don't mind. I have to be in this building But there's a light ring in our way. I said, yeah, there was there's nothing on the ticket that said that so We just had a good time. We really we did we just said just we would just stay there enjoy it Like when when I told him my camera was on the fritz Jimmy just said just enjoy the moment and I did you were right Right, I'm always right. Yep. Yeah, except when I'm wrong except what I'm wrong apparently Charles any questions for Kenny Well, it certainly seems like An event. I mean a lot of these a lot of bands you hear about all these so-called pop-up stores and all these catchy turns of phrase these days that almost feel like they're thrust upon people and forced upon People were and they're and people sort of don't really interact with them Maybe a few people do maybe it's limited to die hard fans, but it seems like these events The general public We're interacting with with all of these things rather than it just sort of being there and people going Oh, it's something to do with kiss I guess it means something to kiss fans It seemed like it it kind of went a little bit beyond that where people were getting getting into it Did you know you're 100% correct definitely did never seen anything like it You know and me and Perrin we're talking about this This is you know, how much of it was paid for by the city. What do you think Kenny and how much? Like I mean think about it. This is a tourist You and I'm getting political they're cutting back on everything the police the fire department garbage pickups are getting cut back So it's in Sanity down there right now I think they had to pick up a lot of security around the garden the Duke the Friday and Saturday they probably had to throw a lot of security around there But I didn't see a big police presence there that night like you know, it wasn't overpushed Because they're running around there's a lot of protests going on all over the city So they're they're spread thin but I could see Jean sitting down with the city counselors of you know The district of the borough It's interesting how you keep saying Jean Well, because jeans He's of the iron fist of the group, right? No, he's not Paul always says the over simplification is it jeans the business guy and Paul's the music guy It's very much sometimes the opposite and then there's also good me as well. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Let's say then kiss is sitting down with the businessmen and the city counselors of the borough and saying look guys We're gonna bring in, you know, six million bucks We want you to invest two million bucks and this, you know, the the Empire State Building and the taxis and all that Paid for some of that Jimmy. I'm sure they did it's advertising They had to pay for the Empire State Building at least part of it I'm sure basically what I don't think the city spent anything out of pocket to do it But let's say it would normally cost you I don't know ten million dollars to commandeer the Empire State Building They said okay because you're gonna generate this much tourism for us instead of you paying us ten million dollars You only need to pay us two million dollars And so we saw two million dollars coming in plus we have all this tourism coming in and it doesn't cost you as much And I'm totally being fictitious of numbers. I have no idea what it would cost to, you know I have no idea how much how much actual tourism a couple of kids shows would really generate I mean, this is not Paul Simon in Central Park. He's keeping mind But I could be wrong Look, it was it was two nights. What is the garden hold Kenny? Little little more. Oh, yeah for a first show maybe maybe 19. I'm sorry, maybe 19,000. I think you're right It's not Yankee stadiums stage. You got to think they took about a quarter of it off because they didn't sell back stage Like our Smith sold everything around. Yeah They they only sold like three quarters of the venue a little maybe a little bit more maybe nine eighty percent Regardless of their spin-off income that like again, you're not gonna, you know I mean, yes kiss paid out of pocket to do some of this stuff I'm sure they would tell you was a worthwhile investment And I'm sure the city was happy to take their money and give them a little bit of a break Capacities nineteen thousand five hundred Yeah, and and look tell us about you go. Okay, you walk in the show the merch dad What's what's a story at the merch? He's what I've never seen them do this before either and this was what it was annoying ticket holders Starting I think the pop-up shops were only special shirts. They were different. I don't have any of them to show you They were gone you two three hours away that they were gone people were selling that stuff for two hundred dollars right away What they did at the garden and I've never seen them do this before was Right as you walk in like that arranges the Knicks a concert They have two side venues and one little small shop in the front and two on the side They opened them up at nine o'clock in the morning on I think yeah, there's the no Friday and Saturday And by the time we got there at three any specialized shirt was sold out like the the date the shirt with the last day To something they were gone So if you wanted to get this they actually the security guard told me you you have to come back and Get on this line early like at four o'clock and be the first one in to get upstairs Just to get a shirt that says the date on it like put it right on you put it right on you So you see it you have the backgrounds eating it up. Yeah. Yeah, just to say that's nice that date That's that's the trophy right the trophy You know what we went we had to go through hoops to get that It was said in the 12 program I'm glad I bought that Wednesday afternoon. I had a chance to get it They had a box of them at the outside the pop-up store when I stopped by it and I grabbed it right away Which can you let me ask you what that cost because I saw somebody I know selling one online yesterday for a hundred and twenty dollars The the program was 50 so that I saw somebody selling it for a hundred and twenty Listen the the the Metro Cards were going for $50. It's insane the newspapers are going for $50 It's back at 10 of my lock and a guy goes sell them the guy who gave him to me sell when we go, you know Well, I mean they're going on eBay as the newspapers are going on eBay, right? Selling for like a hundred bucks or whatever everything that they did is being sold for triple the price that you paid for it there Said because people will buy and you sort like they have special event posters People will buy in 10 of 15. You know, he's an eBay guy. Who was he buying 10 of 15 posters for Christmas gifts? It's all right, so you you've passed the merch stand you and your wife you take your seats you have this big obstruction in front I text you I said, can you believe this and then you put the picture up? I just went to show you the gliding rig in front of me All right, so you and Michelle your wife are sitting there Opening act comes on What was what was the reaction with Paul Stanley son? Yeah, I saw him before but we could see the pay-per-view event because it was right on our end of the The other side we could where we were sitting. We were looking right down like if it was a hockey event We were looking at it the other goal and we could see the girl interviewing people on the couches and hear them Yeah, but it was it was just straight the guest again Desmond child was possibly the best one out of all the kids were alright, but Chris Angel, I don't know why they bought him out I thought there would be more musicians out there like Sebastian Bach or somebody Yeah, well Sebastian Bach was like he wasn't interviewed, but like they on the pay-per-view they showed Sebastian Bach crying Tommy Thayer brought in all his friends from black and blue and they were there and that was kind of nice See they even had Jamie St. James for a second and you know It was nice to have my backstage He's gonna start playing drums or something That guy will attend he's the literally literally the personification of the guy that would attend the opening of an envelope, you know All right, so you sit through Paul Stanley's son's band Amber what they call what are they called? Amber well, I felt that it was like maybe a tent that opened up hardly anybody was there Okay, so no one really cares. So let's take pictures of the audience. I'm like, well, there's nobody down there At that point, can you say that I you know, I can't remember I heard a song or two of theirs Could you say this guy sounds like Paul? He looks like his father. He looks like it, but singing wise singing wise vocal wise He's got a little he's a tough act to follow man. Yeah, he's got a little He doesn't have that twang like Paul has that's not a Queen's acts. I don't know what that is I grew up like two towns over from Paul. I don't know what that accent is I think he grew up in California. So I think I think Evan was born in California But Paul has a that's a twang on him People say oh if there's another version of the kiss, you know Nick Simmons will replace his father and Evan Stanley will replace his father and I don't believe that for a second Like I think we're not there yet. We're not there yet. We're not there yet. We're that's the new era We're not there yet. You pulled that thought keep that thought Let's go back to Let's go let's go back to the show Detroit Rock City. They there's a what's the crowd feeling like right? They start the song that's probably the most emotional I got through the whole show when they the lights went down. I heard rock and roll. I knew it was coming You get the announcement. Are you ready? You know the hottest band in the land. I've been seeing that since I was a kid so Saying that you're not gonna see it again and it starts hitting you and that was it I thought I would be a little more towards the end of the show, but I wasn't I was actually a lot better off I was more Choked up in the beginning of the show when they first came out and then that was it I guess after two hours. I was okay. It was you know, it was nice to see him I was glad I was in the building, but the energy from the minute they hit the stage the crowd didn't stop sorry for like, oh, yeah, which Why are we playing this? Remove that and played any number of the other classics on any of the albums. I mean that that I understand it's from the last album, but Even so, yeah, you mean say yeah say yeah say yeah I mean, it's not even I mean that's not even from the last album That's from Sonic Boom, but it is the best song on Sonic Boom. Well, give it that it sounds like a crazy night I think we'll look it for a while. I didn't I didn't mind Psycho circus, you know the crowd went crazy when that came on But when say yeah came on they kind of died the crowd out a little bit That was the only one say hello I wouldn't say hello where the energy wasn't up 110% because from the hit one the moment they hit the stage The place was a lot. I've been at the garden for Stanley Cup finals and everything and that place can rock I AC DC you the place used to move I mean, but they had the place moving only one time that the whole top and sway and that was during rock and roll all night It was swaying you could feel it. Everybody was standing up and you I was looking at my wife I said you never in this has happened you too. I think made it sway two months when I was there, but The energy at the gardens insane All right, so let's talk about the settlers we go around the room here It was the exact I would say it was the exact same let set list in Montreal and everywhere else. Maybe like a minor tweak or two, but I Don't know. I was kind of disappointed, but what do you think they're Giles? Did you see the set list? No, it's it's it's in Montreal get cancelled. No, it was Toronto and Ottawa right after that got Toronto and Ottawa Council yeah, yeah, Indiana Indiana that was her in the cell at that it disappoint you like seeing okay This is the same exact thing You don't mean how can you compare Montreal versus New York where it all began, right? And no all week. I went back and forth on this because obviously it's a big production tour Everything is synchronized everything is you know, so I said to myself during the week, okay? It's the last ever show. They're a New York band. You'd think there might be something different in there Yeah, but then I said to myself, how do you do that? You can't really finish with rock and roll night and all the confetti is falling all that's happened And then you tack this little set at the end So then you're talking about switching things out and if you're talking about switching things out Let's say you take out say yeah, and you put in plaster caster How does that affect whatever they have ready with lights and cues and just different things And it could be done if you want to put the work in but it's not like You know, there were two weeks before this show and then you can kind of change up some things It was just another, you know, they played bulk. They played The guard in the night before they played Baltimore two nights before that they played Chicago two nights before that So I was hopeful that some of these songs that they were playing at the VIP soundcheck like, you know Parasite and and she and and Master might get played as a nod to this is where we started. We're gonna give you something special But as the night went on it was just becoming clear that they're following the exact same sequence And I said to my wife we were watching the pay-per-view I said if they play say yeah now because if anything was gonna get taken out for an old song It was gonna be that so that if they play say, yeah, that's it It's gonna be the same set and then they played it. So yeah, I was if I have one disappointment on the night I'm disappointed that They didn't do something extra or something special For the last live show for fans who okay forget what the base price of tickets was There were resales going for thousands of dollars. I saw a front row ticket yesterday going for $17,000 that there were four or $5,000 tickets if you wanted really good seats in the lower bowl or You know first few rows of the floor people paid an arm and a leg for this That would have been nice to see a little bit something more Giles is it like here? We are upset that the set list was was identical, but let's let's be realistic This is a massive show you've seen kiss. You can't just move stuff here and there. There are sequences There are lighting directors. They're camera men. This has to go as planned Can they just toss in songs here and there? I've been involved in big productions as much as small productions and medium-sized productions like parents said it's It is it anything can be done. You can do anything you want It's just gonna cost more money and it's more work and more people have to be on the ball And more people need to know what's happening and what's not happening and when it's happening It can be done. I mean it is a little bit surprising The final two shows in New York There wasn't a single X member and not even a Bruce Culey That's yeah, you know not not even not even just coming out for a rock-and-roll or night party every day at the end Or something it's like they really seemed intense on keeping Keeping it as just another you know not aside from everything you've described Kenny keeping it as far as what's happening on the stage Another night on the tour if you I mean you you argue I mean you saw except for again Like you said what's happening outside the building and perhaps a little bit more extra energy because it's the home team in New York Right, you saw the same show you saw the same show in Montreal. You saw the same show in Australia I guess if they went there But the guy in Australia told me it was the same exact show that he was really it really surprises me there wasn't a little bit more This is the last ever kiss show. Let's make it different than like Melbourne, Australia You know, but anyway, you know Guys, I am was the same that that's another point. I was I was so I Don't know if the word is upset, but so disappointed and I think that's what I'm trying to say that here They are they started in New York. This is their hometown, right? They know New York groove no shock me. No, I don't know just something I'm gonna get out and play an ace frilly cover turn I mean, I can't imagine that with ace to my point or bring in Bob a Bruce and you know Play a song with Bruce and my point is it's to your point to a Giles No, no little nugget not even one little not even not even a big not even a big screen Just showing every X member and their name underneath saying thank you for your service or something Mention nothing. They didn't mention it. Not even like you know, not even like a nod to Bob Culek not a nod to Bruce Culek not a nod to to Bill a coin even Eric. Oh, yeah Yeah, you're right meal meal Bogart bill blow coin I mean they could have had a little even if it was an introduction before the show where they They think thank you for whatever you however you want to phrase it I'll just say thank you for your service and they put these people up on a screen. They didn't it really seemed like There wasn't as much finality Associated with this as you would expect, you know Well, it's very kiss to want to leave things open-ended to a certain extent, right? Well, they definitely did they didn't leave you to play without make-up I'm I would guess they were negotiating with ace and Peters people to the last few days They're prepping they're prepping just in case I mean you and they shut the door No, I'm guessing I'm guessing I think because you know why cuz they were sound-checking shock me They were sound and they never played it That could only mean maybe just maybe ace might just jump on stage Shock me without ace on the preview on other an other make-up tours with Tommy's in the band They played shock me and they didn't do it on this tour, but they had played shock Tommy's play what why were they prepping for it? Well, why were they playing plaster caster at the VIP soundchecks like, you know Maybe maybe they're thinking about it. Maybe they're they're tossing the idea around like they're Jim I disagree with you on this one. I think the ace and petership sailed a long time ago. I think I agree. I think it was almost like they wanted to make a point You know like they weren't gonna do that. They weren't gonna just like they weren't gonna perform with them at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Yeah, I mean it's been pretty much out there when when ace started badmouthing them in the press Kiss pretty much came out and said this guy wants like just outlandish outlandish things to be at the last show Like, you know, sorry ace. You're not worth a million dollars to come up here at the last show You're just not worth that. You don't you don't sell one more ticket all the tickets are sold the tickets are sold The pay-per-view is sold. Well, you see that that's from a financial. That's from a financial perspective I don't look at it that way to me. It's such a final thing. It would have been nice And it's new york for the love of god. It's new york Ace should have been there and they should have friggin paid and that's what I think when peter should have been there too And peter should have been there. I know the guy that works for peter like does stuff with him He was at the last ritchie scholar show with me and he was talking. There was no plan. This was six months ago He said they have no plans uncommon. They're not they were ongoing Well, what about bruce bruce gulik? Why couldn't they reach out to him? I'm pretty sure he could have been there if he wanted to be I mean Look bruce sent a nice peter and bruce yesterday earlier in the day published nice messages to them Like I'm pretty sure look if jamey st. james was there from black and blue tommy's old band made and other people I'm sure bruce wanted to be there. I mean jamey st. james was backstage of them. I'm sure bruce gulik could have been backstage, you know sometimes you know I I've been in situations in life where At one point I was excluded And then I was invited back and I'm like, you know what like I'm not part of this anymore And I just kind of feel weird being there and I don't want to be there And you know, you know bruce might not have wanted to be there Some people might not have wanted to be there. We'll we'll never know and or maybe I'll know one thing Bob gulik would have loved to be there I tell you that Bob would have been there gulik should have been there. Yeah, but I mean sadly He would have loved to be there that wasn't to be now Uh, the the interesting thing is the the non makeup era was was a pretty big era for them They had some legitimate big hits in that period And it would have been nice to have had some representative of that era there aside from gene and paul in makeup Yeah, but again, this is all stuff that may still be to come just because they've announced A bunch of avatars doesn't mean everything else is off the table. You know what I mean? All right, so let's get into it. That's a good segue there. Kenny They mean everybody the only difference in the shows I heard from the friday night to the saturday night show was um The cloud of smoke and they vanished into the they disappeared off the stage into a cloud of smoke Only to be replaced by these crazy lightning and stuff and then the avatars appeared on the screen And that's when paul said End is not the beginning So I watched the uh, I was I know perin was up by last night I'm not sure ken if you were up or jaws. You're up, but I was kind of looking at the timer, you know countdown Yeah, I saw her by accident Yeah, so there's a timer right on the website to midnight at eastern standard time And then at midnight there was videos. There was two videos. There was one showing the kiss Band as we know it today. I'm actually halfway through the there's a documentary that's been posted on the page Halfway through it. Yeah, so so one part of it shows how they created these avatars So they're just sort of like motion sensors on the bodies of kiss as they're kind of performing the real band That is and then the second part is intervening the band about what the next era will be and the next era as everybody knows Right now is an ai avatar um Performance, but we don't know what capacity that performance means is it going to be a vegas residency where people just go there And they have that experience or is it going to be a traveling sort of hologram road show? Kind of similar to deal. So let's get some thoughts on this I'll start off with the jaws. What do you what do you think? I mean, would you go attend? The question is would you attend a traveling road show that had these avatars and you know light show and I I wouldn't care if it was traveling or not It would need to be close by if I was traveling or it was traveling is inconsequential if it was close And well, actually, sorry, would you prefer to go to vegas as a stationary residency or would you prefer to see it? close by on tour I never prefer to go to vegas. I hate vegas. All right But the question is And this is i'm gonna choose my words carefully here This is untested territory for the most part abba have done it But abba is a burlesque production vegas you know sit down and eat chicken and watch a show kind of thing but One thing and I said it about the do hologram. I said this is never going to take off and it didn't because heavy rock and heavy metal Is about it's a tribal thing as gene even says numerous times, but it's also audience artist audience artist feeding that energy back and forth That's why when you that's why you see people in the front row trying to doing everything they can to get attention from the artist And it's and it's about and it's a reach out and touch the artist based genre. You take the artist away I can't imagine again I'm not it depends on what capacity they do it, but it's not going to be a substitute for a living breathing kiss at all That's a very good point any more than going to see the song remains the same with a movie theater Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, it's interesting. I'm gonna and I'm gonna let parent answer the next question They're putting an ai element In there to address what you just mentioned So in other words when a fan screams out paul the ai will recognize the hey paul and go hey you So it's an interactive, but I agree with you giles I think once you take away the humanoid factor things could fall apart parent So before you answer this no no before you answer this let's go back to what you said before about We didn't know if this new era was going to be paul's son and gene's son taken over as kiss Right or your thoughts on that if that did happen if that we didn't know we didn't know right First I thought the new era was going to be First a break for x number of months Then I I thought and I still do think the cruises and the conventions will continue because where I think The real money and interest is is you know before they reunited They would do these conventions and they're they would do non-makeup acoustic sets Kind of like the kiss unplugged thing that they did on mtv all those years ago And those were really well received and even now on the cruises They bring out bruce and he does him and todd kern since back thrown and they do all the 80 songs And I thought we were going to go from this To the cruises and the conventions and then maybe to a version of kiss kind of like the australian Pink Floyd experience in the musical box by genesis like tribute bands That are the official one and that play big venues with big production. I thought that's where we were going uh, so I was a little put off and surprised by the the a i Avatar thing. I don't think we were going there yet I'm sure gene kind of caught on to what abba was doing and the success they're having with it and said we can do that One thing guys. I want to correct you on please and I've seen on this online too Do not compare this to the deal thing the deal thing is this this potential to be this I mean when when deal with at the end when he was still alive He was playing the film war in san francisco to a thousand people No, no, but I but I think what giles is referring to is it failed because heavy metal audiences versus abba audiences Abba audiences, they don't care if they put on some glasses on and you know, uh, that's kind of it's just easy to Digest stuff metal or hard rock is an interaction of human and experience It's it's partially why it failed and I do think giles is correct And I think you can't replace the crackle of electricity and the excitement that I was in the building that kenny described yesterday So I think ultimately this will fail But I mean the deal thing was done. It was almost like a projector onto a crystal ball of ronnie james deal Yeah, that's that's a that's a good point. We're talking about a hologram versus an avatar There's there's at least there's a leap year in technology since the hologram of do which again failed Like I can only see this at the sphere and like and you say, you know, you say do is this big kiss is much bigger Well, abba is 50 billion times bigger than kiss. Let's put it that way Absolutely, and I and and even the abba has not been a international resounding must see it show Yeah I'm a well received Well received event in london. It was some good reviews. It hasn't been this. Oh my gosh We need to go see this the guns and roses tour is done better than the abba Avatar so I again, I think they're gonna struggle. I really do Yeah, I could see it at the sphere in las vegas because the sphere is one of those things that it's 360 degrees They say the sphere venue is actually like the reviews of u2 Are that the band is almost obscured by everything going on around it So that kind of a venue would actually lead itself pretty well to this kind of a show Whereas the band's not even there. Anyway, the show is Yeah, it's it's gonna be it's gonna be like a heavy rock equivalent of going to like the the planetarium or something There's gonna have to be something that you something that you can't get guys, I pretty I pretty much think this is gonna This is gonna do well as if it's a residency Kenny Kenny would you rather? Oh, but let me ask Kenny this would you have rather see clone kiss tour? You know sort of gene and paul being replaced by whoever their sons are not Or would you rather see this avatar experience? I think I'd rather see the clone tour At first the clones and Jimmy what I'm getting at is we're gonna get there So this leaves them an out this leaves them an out to do this And if it's not the success they're hoping it's gonna be they could say Well kiss has always been a band of the people and the people have spoken and the people want real live rock and roll So what we're gonna give you is Tommy Eric And two other guys dressed as kiss because the people want real rock and roll I think doing this leaves them some outs if they need to kind of I don't think they've put all their cards on the table last night. I think This avatar thing is is what grabs the headlines farm border. Hey, we're gonna get two guys and we're gonna Continue that that that that's that's not the big announcement. This is a technology based Headline grabbing announcement. I I don't think anything's off the table I think, you know, you notice on the cruises they bring Bruce up to actually play as a member of kiss again Yeah, I think that's that's all on the table still as far as gene saying it'll be the last kiss performance and makeup I think they'll still do appearances out on makeup Because physically that's got to be so much less demanding than in costume I think they'll they'll probably will have the official or several official tribute bands and I think the The whole the uh, sorry the avatar thing is is going to be something as well. That was just the thing they chose to release yesterday That's a good point. Uh, I think there's a lot more to come this avatar. I mean Kenny if last night they would have announced Not the avatar, but hey, you know, uh gene and paul are being replaced by two clones What do you think the audience would have done? I don't I don't know if the reaction was kind of How would and that's the the word how would have the audience reacted to thing? Look, these are the clones that are gonna replace peter What was the reaction to a movie screen showing some avatars what was the reaction? I think people were dumbfounded I think they thought it was a cartoon or a pixel movie coming in. I couldn't tell I mean it would have been more impressive and I guess I guess I guess the building the building these events will take place and have to be conducive to avatar technology So you can't just have them walk on out, but that would have been Impressive that's why I suggest the spear. That's why I said this Parents rate it heads to the spear. It's not a spear. It's it's done by the same people who are running the other thing I'm talking about last night. Oh last night They could that it would have been far more impressive They found a way to have the avatars walk on out rather than just have a screen showing Yeah, do something on the screen. It was it was weird. It was the same thing you guys saw when they put the code up The q-code So let me say to you guys on the pay-per-view they explained it a bit out So that's where when you're lying in the building like you're I could imagine Kenny That was kind of like people like what the fuck is that, you know I was thinking like what you guys are saying. We're gonna continue with the cruises play Once a year we'll be playing acoustic sets without makeup. That's what I was thinking or Clone band with the two sons. That's exactly where I was. Well, you know what if I told parents last night I texted him I go if it's a clone band boycott boy the boycotts back on I said the boycott is back on Why Why I will not see a clone band of kiss. No, I refuse why you know like here's the thing Because I go I go I go for gene and I go for paul. I don't go for clones That's just the way I am. That's how I roll my friend. That's how I roll Our little circle of friends here in Montreal like reach out to me and say Perrin the australian pink floyd experience is playing at the this the arena and laval You know, it's only like 60 bucks or 80 bucks. Why don't you come with us? I'm like, I have zero interest in seeing the australian pink floyd experience You know, but but our circle of friends wants to see it So if if I could still boycott it I could still boycott it I agree. Why cannot hold like placards outside of the shows and say do not go in please But why is the australian pink floyd experience allowed and because you know, I'll tell you why I'll tell you why there's a big difference because they They they they advertise it as a tribute band. That's the difference. They don't go out They don't go out saying hi. We're pink floyd. That's the difference But when kiss goes out and says their tribute band, that's okay But if they say they're a kiss, they're not kissed. They're a friggin tribute band same goes with foreigner as well If you gotta advertise you gotta advertise don't trick people with with, you know Well, he's gonna come out for a half a song, you know, and you know, you know, it's really foreigner No, it's not called the kiss experience. Is it okay? Because I don't think it'll be called the kiss kiss You could call it kiss experience. You could call it the elder tribute. I don't know And then you're good. I'm good Because I don't like trick trickery and advertising. I don't like that I want to know what i'm buying as as a consumer. I want to know what i'm getting Don't lie to me. Don't trick me with words. Don't play with words with me I get pissed. I don't normally get so worked up about things, but these new these new Rerecordings of the first three bonfire albums with this new singer are horrific. They are a disaster They're all fire. I don't know how we got the bonfire, but trickery Trickery trickery. Look, it's I want to go see pink floyd at least one or two members, right? I don't want to see someone pretending to be pink floyd because they were in the band as a hired hand for 20 years That doesn't make you a member But I'm just saying I don't think I don't think the plan is to call the next version of kiss kiss I think the plan from things I've heard is to call it kiss 2.0 or to call it the kiss experience So you can sell kiss experience tickets with four awesome musicians and a big show Just the way you do the australian pink floyd experience and draw seven or eight thousand people to a small arena and do well with it And depending on the price, I might go see that because I want to I want to uh, I want to see dark a straights legacy With trevor home. Yeah, and there there's a great example and just called dire straights legacy It's basically all the guys my point straights are a lot of them without mark noffler And you know on a certain scale there's interest in it, you know and everything's on a scale Well, listen, I'm going to say this. I was very Surprised and sort of content that they're actually avatars Because I would much more like to see this experience as an avatar Maybe as a residency in vegas as a cool little thing to watch Then to see clones get up there and pretend they're kiss. So that's just my opinion I'm much prefer to see the avatars What about us four getting up there pretending to be kiss? What about that? It would work But are we kiss or are we the kiss experience? Oh, we're kiss we're venom incorporated Well, I think that's about it guys anything else I got one thing. Uh, they gave stuff out at the arena bracelets that lit up and went with the beats of the songs Can't see a damn thing. Yeah, put it put it right here. Yeah It's a bracelet that went up against the uh, it flashed and lit up with the songs Oh, cool. Very different and on the way out They handed a box everybody with a gold ticket. Now. I didn't get it going When I met the guy from anthrax rob who played with bulbeat and anthrax, he had a box of them And he said that over there. My friend mike barretta got me one. It's a gold ticket From kiss themselves. Nice. Thank you for coming to the show And it's like a pass for me at one Uh, like I said, I went out the front door job and I got nothing I doubled back to meet my friend to try to catch a ride home and We couldn't meet the one guy he left, but they didn't a lot of people didn't get him They were coming out the avenue the back end of the theater people will get them when I thought that was odd You're not giving them out on the front but people on the back got them Very strange But i'm lucky my friend had two and he gave me one Well, they're gold 24 karat gold. Very nice. Very weird. Yeah, very nice. Look at that Kenny It's very nice. I think you certainly can't you certainly set list aside and whatever you can't fault. They're uh They're making a big deal out of this last two shows in new york And it was a big deal if you were a kiss fan or a kid who grew up in the late 70s or you know They were they were new york icons back then and earlier because they were from there But I think new york did them right. I think the city actually did it right for once All right, it's a great way to end it. You know what and uh guys, thank you for being on everybody. Thank you for watching Thanks for you and here's the last question to everybody out there watching Would you go see the kiss avatar tour or show residency or would you prefer to see attack of the clones? Would you Like to see me as an avatar on the next metal voice panel instead of actually me I think that'd be cool And a funko pop Guys wait wait wait hold on a second and what did I get pick up today? 1992 cup Guys Oh metal voice pom-pom. We told you cut off the pom-pom and you get lose the pom-pom and we'll take Guys, what is this? Nobody likes pom-pom. What the hell's going on for? I like the pom-pom too. Look at this. You can do this as you're waiting for. I don't know the bus or something The man on the street needs that hat for my man on the street pieces See, you know what put this up. I need uh, I need one of them hats with the cat ears metal voice one of the cat ears Or about like the beers on top with the uh This the straws. So here's here's the cat. So these are just test units. These are just test units at this point So I'm just nice guys. Nobody likes. I think maybe the the ladies will like the pom-poms I like pom-pom. I like the pom-pom too. It's very canadian Hey All right guys God gave rock and roll to you remember that. All right. Thank you everybody. Thank you