 Hello everybody, I am Matthew Miller. I am the Fedora project leader. I have been doing this for a insane six years And I've spent probably a total of one out of six of those years burnt out over the time Which is pretty good for a Fedora project leader Ben Do you think that's I see you're making a face at me might be a little higher than that Lickton the limo I think he's talking to a child No Actually, I'm in the in a store. Sorry. Oh Can you temporarily mute yourself? Yes, okay, awesome. Thank you Fedora project leader I've been involved in Fedora for a long time And I'm taking too much too long for my introduction because I think I there's a lot of out about me out there already If you don't know who I am ask me later All right, I'll go next I am Marine organ Fedora's community action and impact coordinator I've been in this role for less than a year. This is first flock nest Conference that I'm planning for you guys. So I'm really excited about this one and I'll tag David next Thank you. I am David Cantrell and I am One of the Fesco members and I also am the engineering Representative or liaison to the Fedora council for Fesco, and I guess Fedora as a whole I've Been involved with Linux and open source for a long time. I'll leave it at that Alexandra Thank you. So I'm Alexandra. I'm new here and I was elected in console Month ago. So I'm really new here before that I was on Fesco and like I was in Fedora for more than 10 years already and I'll pick Ben Hi everyone, I'm Ben cotton the Fedora program manager. You made me from sending you a whole bunch of email I've been a Fedora contributor for about 10 years 11 years now and this is Just over two years in the program manager role now and I'll throw it to Justin So I'm Justin Florey. I've been a Fedora contributor since about 20 late 2015 where I first was part of the community operations team and the diversity and inclusion team Since then I'm currently involved as the team representative liaison from the diversity and inclusion team to the council but I also Am a part of the I3 sig where we're working on building an I3 Spin for Fedora and also I maintain a few packages of my own So I will throw it to Nick Okay, I'm Nick be about I've been involved with Fedora for a long time now my help with packaging and some sysadmin stuff and Mindshare committee and things like that Edward I Think you're the only one left. Oh Great, because I don't know who else is it. Hi. My name is Taylor Lucena and the mind be not fair Can you hear me now? Yeah, yeah, okay. I'm Edward Lucena. I'm the mindshare representative right now. I'm I'm being a user from 10 years contributor from for two years four years now. I Start and come up a little bit then for marketing and then just jump from IRC channels and Try to gather people into the marketing stuff And I'm the mindshare representative science a month ago probably not now what? We'll ask us questions and we answer them. Yes Excellent plan. I did say we could just you know make stuff up for 30 40 minutes or whatever to so this council thing. What is the council? Yeah, I'll take that one Especially because we have a lot of new people here. So I think this is actually a good topic long ago Fedora was governed by a board and And then had a federal project leader and then not much structure at all to anything and that worked Okay, but it was hard to set kind of an overall strategic direction and kind of then try and aim the whole project towards a thing that we wanted to do and That sometimes meant that a lot of You know our mailing list discussion slash arguments ended up going nowhere with no resolution and We didn't really have the ability to make big steps forward in a way that was controlled And since Fedora is about making big steps forward that kind of became problematic So we instituted a new governance structure with kind of a more hands-on approach and with an actual org chart underneath that rather than chaos And it has generally worked pretty well. We have a number of appointed people Which are paid positions a red hat. That's me Marie and Ben. We also have elected positions Alexandra and Dennis Gilmore is currently that and then we have some positions that are Brought to the council by important Representative bodies in Fedora. So David is here representing Fesco and Justin's representing diversity and inclusion and Edward is representing the Mindshare committee as well and This yes, that's the overall picture If you're muted in a QA session are you muted in real life? What is real life even then? What Is Fedora in the long-term view I would love for someone other than me to answer that question Well, I sit here and sip well for me until now I see that fedora is continue to try to drive innovation into this into the false word into the free open source work Although by the help with red hat, there's a lot of people that is still fierce about the IBM with red hat But until now we are doing it as we can as community and the community is the the Fedora project The Fedora project is not the OS that we That almost all we use I'm using Android right now because I'm on my phone But the Fedora project is the people So Fedora will continue to be the community that it is now No matter what I have slightly different More about the future of RPM packaging in the generally like Linux distributions Because I came from DevOps background where people Try to say that packaging doesn't matter anymore and the new DevOps ways are doing it differently and I strongly disagree with that I think that all DevOps ways will just evolve towards Something similar to what packaging does right now, and it's either it will be us with RPM packaging there Or it will be something else, but will which will act the same way So I see the future of Fedora is like Developing further the approach to packaging the approach to the culture of maintainers the culture of community owning some space where you can share the resources it Rather than just consume stuff. So I see Fedora Becoming like the pool RP packages becoming the pool of these packaged Boxes like small stuff. So it everyone can use this to build their own solutions But it all comes back to these basics Basic bricks which you need to use to build something larger in the end and in bigger and more interesting Maybe to some people, but yeah, we're still the foundation of it all I Would like to see a future Fedora That you know kind of leads community and diversity and inclusion and We could build up More of our demographics. I think we all know the split right now I'd like to see more ladies and black indigenous and people of color involved in Fedora All over so that's something I hope that we can accomplish. I Want to say that we're such beautiful dreamers I Need to dream that drives you I remember Yeah, my path towards open source started when long time ago and at that time I was reading some blog articles and It was Jared Smith actually who wrote the article of former Fedora project lead And he wrote something like in open source. You really need to be bold, you know You need to just start doing and do that and eventually you get somewhere and There is nothing else just to be bold enough to to try and then we'll see This is kind of a quick one Would like to what's the state of the new Fedora logo unless someone else had something to add to that last one I realized I just jumped in The state of the Fedora logo. Should I talk about that? all right, so basically it's in legal right now still and We have to make a couple more iterations as we all know the F Close to the Facebook F So legally it's a you know a trademark that's owned by Red Hat So they're quite involved in this process. So we're doing our best But uh, it's gonna be a long timeline. That's just the truth of that sad face Don't don't look at the logo on my avatar. That's all I'm saying And then this one seems like a good one Maybe the council would like to talk a bit about what they've been doing over the past year sending email reading email You know one things I've been focused on is Trying to you know, I think we have some good processes in terms of you know program management stuff but there are a lot of rough edges or corner cases that we haven't addressed and so I've spent a lot of time trying to To polish what we have some always cooking. That's not a question people have It's like you know, we just we just have means just now have a process for promoting things to addition because we haven't done that in a while And then we tried that with IOT and realized we missed a lot of a Lot of steps that we probably should have done. So we're you know, just basically trying to figure out and document All the things we work on is anyone else been doing stuff in the last year I know I've been doing stuff all over it just seems so Interwoven like I'm like wait, was that a mind-share thing or a counsel thing I think we can count it as all All of these Activities under the umbrella of console and right so one thing I've been doing they actually used to follow the council is like code of conduct That takes up a lot of time for community manager and for project leader that takes up a lot of our time because You know, we have to read that process that you get all the background and then Uh Gather gather more information maybe talk to people about it then potentially go to our legal team Then it could be multiple making very hard decisions about difficult things. Yeah, some of the things and want to keep everyone's Inclusion in mind and make sure it's fair for people and you know, make sure it's safe for people So it actually that's something that's taken up a lot of my time in the last five months There's a reason I put that slide in the keynote Another cool thing I've been doing is the ambassador revamp Proposal, you know kind of getting all this feedback from the community on a couple mailing lists But the conversation popped up again, and I said, you know what? This is the time to make a change with this So I took that feedback and I made a plan and we got feedback made changes We're in just the beginning for beginning process of that, but it's pretty sweet We got two co-leads if you have a small group of volunteers kind of gathering up and after nest is over It's gonna be some beginning meetings. So I'm really excited about that I can talk a little bit for the last time. That's would you like to introduce yourself? Oh, oh, yeah Sorry, I'm late. I had a work meeting that ran over 20 minutes and Just what you want on a Friday afternoon Happens it does so I'm Dennis Gilmore. I am one of the two elected members of the fairer canceling I was about a decade the Fedora release engineer and Now working on multiple architecture stuff inside of red hats I was on the fesco and being heavily involved in Fedora for that many many years. So That's me Justin, did you want to go ahead? Yeah, so just to list a little bit on my side to the earlier question of Hey, I had a question that is not for me because I am Talking Sorry, I wasn't hearing it might be a delay there There's a delay. I think there's a little bit of a delay okay So it was just around so really thinking about volunteer sustainability and making making and helping keep it a Place where we like to contribute to Fedora, even if it's not something you work on all the time or So really like one example of that is earlier this year on the Fedora badges side Which has always been this kind of community Lots of community Contributions to that project through the design side, but also through the software side. We've been working on With some folks and friends Concentric sky who are also have been building the same open badge spec We're looking at trying to refresh the Fedora badges web app not just to Make it easier and more simple to work with but also to be more creative with ways that we use it to Make, you know, kind of always do these fun things that we do in the Fedora community as another tool to Make it a going back to like the friends part of the four foundation So that's kind of like a community project that has been Related to some of the conversations we've been having in the d&i team and I'm really excited Even at even at Nest there's been a couple of talks already about that work that was done through the last outreachy internship um on the Fedora badges stack, so It's really great to see that progress starting to move forward But other than that i'm really i'm really interested on Or the d&i team has been having a lot of conversations about how we can Uh set ourselves up to be more sustainable and also be better at bringing in and onboarding new contributors So a lot of our conversations right now are really trying to think Think about ways that we can engage better with the Fedora community and be a better conduit for feedback and Being a part of the process in whether it's part of the Fedora council or other parts of the project that Would like that d&i perspective that's part of what when I when I stepped up for the The representative role that was something that I was really interested in of trying to spend my time and focus on over the next one or maybe two releases so That's kind of a little bit of what i'm looking at and what's been going on for the last few months and in my side of thing Do we want to go over a big question? I'm trying to message my internet provider on twitter in the background here Uh, what is fedora gonna have us focus? Well, what is fedora gonna focus on for the upcoming years? Anything in particular fun or making the distro better or both? Is that the same thing? Like making distro better in a very funny way I Think um, we want to focus on making our Internal services we provide to our distro builder people better both the people making things like the Compnero spanner fedora jam things like modularity, which I know is is rough but is It basically ultimately a tool to make it so that you can take all these packages And put them into something that solves a problem for somebody and continue to make the high quality collection of package software That is you know the main fedora rpm collection and continue to increase the quality of that and our skill at automating that packaging and making that those things available to people So that we can grow the community through these other interesting fedora outputs like fedora lamaspin Like fedora lamaspin Our fedora Former fcake was very excited about having llama farmers use fedora for some reason I think one initiative worth mentioning for this particular part is also the like Simplification of building the images which can be used in on various infrastructures This is this there will be a talk about this. I think even tomorrow or maybe on sunday about Decapling like the building of the iso image from building the distribution packages and so giving more flexibility for the user to Play with various images on various target platforms So not just considering iso image alone for the applications So it's in general. Let's add in the flexibility How you can apply fedora on various setups and for various usk Is a very interesting development. What's going in the fedora project right now? I'd also Go ahead. Sorry. I'd like to add There are many changes going in. I know ben mentioned That this most recent development cycle has more changes Change proposals approved than we've ever had So that's both good and bad because It means we're probably going to have a lot more testing and and clean up to do but It's it's good because it's what we want to do in fedora moving things forward And I think that in the coming year, we're going to continue seeing a lot come from the workstation Sort of addition of fedora and because we've already seen A lot of really nice improvements there for end users for I mean laptop users for lack of a better term And I think we're going to continue seeing that Um Matthew, uh, I'm sure you mentioned the um Lenovo uh Fedora pre-installation. So perhaps, uh, you know that being successful will Be You know great for the project. Maybe we'll see more uh in the future. I have no idea. I'm not involved with any of that stuff But I think we'll see a lot of that Which will be of interest to many users and developers That's in addition to the things that we continue to see uh happen in fedora, which are Changes and development procedures that allow fedora to continue to act as an effective upstream for the projects that rely on it Um, those projects primarily being sent to us in rel so we This is actually additionally to that. I I'm glad to see now the Existing of other communities in fedora not just a centrius and rel and I think it's very important And I would love to see more us. So, uh, we become not just one uh distribution but Reach out to wider areas and and we can be Used as a platform for many different uses not just one and alone And this of course it creates additional challenges because the more people with different backgrounds come the More complicated is to like talk to each other and to find the decisions But this is where it becomes interesting and this is where we need to show the strength of of the process We have and and the community Which we work with I have a vision for the future of the next year, which is getting really good at virtual events We are going to have access to this hop-in platform for a year So let's take advantage of it. We're going to formalize some kind of Process so that folks can propose that I'm thinking about Fedora activity days. I'm thinking about local Meetups in your time zone You know, you're in the session right now think about it and think about what you could potentially do with it It will reach out to you get some of this access to this platform. Do we have it right? So that's going to be a process that we established. So right now working on a contract with in ospo with hop-in And within all that there became like a lot of red tape So right now we're we're on apaches account very graciously So once we have like Access to the other one we could talk more about how that's going to work But I mean as long as the event isn't I'm pretty sure you can run as many events There is some cost as far as each person It's like a registration fee and then there's also a cost that we're going to share with um ospo and some other communities, right? so Like oh, yep rich. You're welcome. Thank you rich Uh, so anyway, that's a process that will be formalized I think we should get really good at doing virtual events and we have this platform to To use and learn about There's a bunch more questions in the chat. Yeah The next one I think was how objectives and new features are selected to be included in fedora We just talked about objectives at our last council meeting and and the process for this Right before this Generally By our our chart or selecting the objectives is our actual main function as the fedora council and we try to have Two of them running at a time And we're uh And they go for 12 to 18 months Every time we go through this we're getting better at the proper doing it as that as that happens So we try to make sure that there are actionable things that can have a defined end time and we try to provide as much support to that as possible um, but Generally once a proposal is there the process is do we have a strong lead for that proposal? Um, and then does it fit with where we're trying to go at? You know fedora right now does it go to our long-term goals? And is it the thing we need to do now to get there and if so, yes Um, so that's for the kind of the big objectives things for for changes Um, I will let ben answer that especially because my internet Yeah, so for technical changes within a release the process is basically somebody decides to do it Uh, they fill out a page on the wiki. I send an email to the development mailing list It goes through a community comment period basically And then it goes to the fedora engineering steering committee or fesco for approval so It's generally like a two-ish week process end-to-end if everything goes well a lot of times fesco We'll have questions and they'll want um, you want clarifications on certain things sometimes proposals get rejected because there's uh, you know, it's either not good for the distribution or it's not um Not clear enough what the the impact is going to be so it's basically uh, you know Go do some more homework and come back and fix it Um, but then we track the progress of those throughout the release cycle and make sure um, that things are still on track to make it into the release and um, actually Here in a week or less than a week I guess is the the first checkpoint for that Where we'll go through and make sure things are in a testable state And if not then they may get dropped to the next release I think it's worth like That at this point we are right now the main Obstacle for the changer for the objective is not console nor fesco It's usually you're fighting against uh, the time or resources you need to spend on the objective or on the change So if you want to change there's literally No obstacles other than uh, the commitment you need to do To make this happen uh And to clarify the details of this change doesn't break too much, but uh, it's still Like there is no policy which forbidden you certain change to do certain changes It's more about are you ready to? Deliver this change and to work on that and figure out all the details and figure out all the Obstacles on the technical side which may prevent this change from happening So it's open And I just think it's a really interesting question too Just in terms of how objectives are kind of the vehicle one of the many vehicles for how things get done in the fedora project So whether it's objectives or changes or additions or working groups or sigs These are all just different ways that we get things done in fedora But the question that usually comes after is like once you have these i you know You have an idea that you think that all this could be a great change or a great um new addition proposal something like that um The question really comes after is what is the community interest and engagement around those ideas and well what are What are people really interested in doing? and The challenge one of the challenges with it is it's never a black and white process And sometimes it's really confusing because fedora is pretty good about being first on getting But we also require freedom first and we also are considerate of the needs and and Needs and perspectives of our fedora friends from all around the world too So the thing I think is unique about this is the process is very open to feedback and I just want to highlight some of ben's um somewhat recent improvements to the policy change process and the council If you dig into the council docs you can actually see that there is a policy on how to change policy in the council and it's a really interesting window into um Kind of how how some of that happens and you know as far as the you know the question is like how do things You know who who makes the the big decisions like how do these how do these big decisions get made in fedora? um A lot of it is already in the in the open in this way and I think one thing that's also interesting is you know It does that that whole idea does depend on the idea of the meritocracy or that you know Where it's a very merit meritocratic approach But I think that looking at this at like the recent develop discussion on You know the nano and vim text editor change. It was just a very interesting example to me of how folks were really interested in how do we make You know, even if this isn't the tool that everyone everyone wants to use What is a way that we can make our default distribution more accessible to people? Who are newcomers or people who are new to the system? So I just I I've always really admired that about fedora and a lot of the things that we don't think about a lot But we build on like the four foundations Even things like the fedora project contributor agreement, which gives us a lot of really great flexibility and like How our contributions are are trusted to the project like Kind of rambling now, but I just think it's a question that's always I've really had a lot of interest in fedora And it's really interesting because not a lot of folks are doing it The way that we're doing it and we're we're pretty good at being first at these things Are we ready for a new question? All right, what is the fedora silver blue status and also status of the other de's? I only heard half of that question What is the fedora silver blue status and also the status of the other de's? um, so Silver blue is still in progress. Um, you know, it's had Especially I think with the uh, Lenovo thing coming out and silver blue wasn't ready for that The team has been putting a lot of work into traditional workstation But silver blue is still in progress and I still think it is the future The toolbox command that is the Brings up a container environment for you to work in recently reached version 0.1 It's been rewritten in go and it's no longer a crazy shell script so It's making progress and I think the more interesting thing is going thing going to come from there um, I know that there was a kde version for other de's of Something like silver blue called keno light. Um, and I don't know the status of that I think the kde community was doing that and it wasn't even close to an official spin or anything People doing it on the side From the field, uh, like silver blue is usable on your workstation. You can do and run You need to get used to the toolbox concept the flatback concept and everything Uh, I know quite a nice community around this exists and so I think you just need to try it for yourself and take a look if you like this approach Then uh, join the effort and participate. It's definitely usable on your daily Uh workstation already Yeah, there are just some corner cases where, um, like Things are not quite worked out yet And it's something we don't want to recommend to the general public quite yet because you have to be Willing to be like, oh, I've hit myself. I've hit a weird corner case I'm going to have to deal with this and that's not the experience We generally want for people to have with most of fedora But if somebody says btw i use arch you can like say i'll raise you one. I've got silver blue Ready for the next question What do you all think about open susa's work on creating an independent foundation within the context of fedora governance? Oh, I've got thoughts, but anybody else want to go first? Go ahead with your thoughts. All right. Well, so I guess the main thoughts are There sometimes when we're working through some of the legal things where, um, some independence seems like it would be nice I've been told in the past that Some of the things that red hat would still be concerned about many of the things that are legal liability concerns for red hat even if we were an independent Foundation because we take so much funding from red hat that our independence Could be called into question if there were something serious to happen So in and I think that actually goes to my other part of that Which is I don't think we are really hampered by our our structure in our independence and getting things done and hampered by lack of independence in that sense And the only way it would really make sense to me is if we had at least one and probably several other major Backers with the same kind of financial backing that red hat has to put into it Otherwise, I don't see what a foundation would really be bringing us over where we are now Back when fedora first came into existence that they looked at making a foundation and It ended up being not very feasible because Red hat was the primary sponsor and there was not a bunch of other sponsors in order to have that independent board You really need to have multiple you know financially multiple entities financially investing in the group and Without that you get a lot of legal kind of weirdness and And here I should thank our sponsors Sorry Um So maybe we'll be thanking sponsors in the chat All right on to the next one What is the status of solutions as a goal? Are there clear metrics around building solutions and targeted experiences for users? Since I'm new I'm Will be first to ask Is this question reference reference into something actually happened in Fedora, or is it the reference in some external notions? So I think this is referring to um from a couple years ago When the council met in minneapolis and we you know, it's basically the idea of not having this distinction between spins and labs and just basically You know putting everyone on more equal footing with solutions and the idea being That you know we build this kind of base fedora that the llama llama herder would be a solution I would say the answer to that is we haven't really made progress on that other than saying agreeing. It's a good idea Just because it's a really big hard problem to try and make happen and some of the os builder work That would really make it possible Um still needs to be done Did we get through all the questions? We're only five minutes out from the end of the session anyway Let's get let's get another question Dusty says i'm open to have more financial investment in fedora from other companies Take it That was a good comment. Yeah, we are also open For more funding I mean bring ideas ideas are cost money as well like you know And bring people to do the work in fedora as well because that's the big investment that red hat really puts in is just a A measured in you know tens of millions of dollars investment of people time every year into the fedora project so that's That's what we'd love to see coming from other companies and we're here for it I feel like people have more time on their hands nowadays if you convince them To get into what i'm just saying Even beyond the the financial sponsorship aspect one of the things that i'd love to just highlight with neogampa As I see him doing it all the time is just opening more bridges and conversations to other communities that are doing similar things and Solving similar challenges that we are in the fedora community and trying to bring those conversations together So i'm really hoping it's another thing is i'm looking forward to is more partnerships with other communities even if it's not a Transaction but just partnerships of interest and time like time is is a super valuable currency in itself, right? So I think i'm excited for I just wanted to shout out neil because that's something I see him doing all the time because of fedora upstream commitment I think we are in a very good position where We are not competing on the level of distributions as much We are actually collaborating with the upstream and we are doing our best to support the upstream so it It's not like fedora is doing things for fedora and it's uh fedora is willing to do things for everyone And we are welcome everyone and we also want to help everyone So if you're Then to user it doesn't mean you we cannot work together on some common goal and some interesting tasks. So that's absolutely Feed in fedora way to work together on things beyond the fedora distribution alone in that That particular I Encourage a lot of people to that want to do things that you reach Any of the people that you can know in the join seek or in the marketing team or the design team or whatever And try to do the stuff. I start the podcast without any idea how to do it And you say hey, I listen podcast this could be interesting and they say okay, learn how to do it and let's do it like Six or seven months ago. I say hey, I like I really like in the i3 window manager manager And what about having something that have pre-installed that window manager and I don't have to rely on the desktop environment And that we have now we have an iso and it's not done by me I just put the idea out there and the people say hey, we can do that and start to work by themselves So we encourage people to try to do the stuff Do we have time for one more? Okay, sure the status What about the status of mentorship and how is mentorship growing? How can there be more proactive mentorship? That's the big question Ask the person the OPE is a mentor as general mentor or ambassador mentor because mentors could be a lot of things I think they're meaning general mentorship I think we had the conversation about it just yesterday day before yesterday. So that's the topic which we definitely think about and Marie has ideas on How this can be worked on so Marie can be adding something to what I say but I also want to point out the aspect which I was thinking for quite some time that Mentoring it's as nice as is a dedicated program and dedicated mentors, but in fact We all as Fedora community need to Do a little tiny bit of mentoring here and there To help each other to get on on board to talk with new users. So Dedicated mentor is a huge amount of work and I tried that for outreach. It's it's a lot of effort I wasn't a good one Definitely, but I would suggest like also To everyone in the community to think about like Can you maybe spend some tiny bit of your time on mentoring someone else? In whatever environment you prefer like there are like hundreds social networks right now 100 channels you communicate to the world Find your own tiny bit and do your job and then Marie will talk about The mentorship program. I have a couple different ideas I'm definitely part of it is ambassadors and looking at that again and how we want to mentor new ambassadors and what What is an ambassador now in 2020 and I think it has to do more of that mentorship Peace right people want Someone they know there. So that's very helpful. Um I'm also an outreach be a coordinator slash Mentor and it is a lot of work, but I also find it to be fulfilling. So for some people Could be fulfilling and you don't have to be A red hat or anyone else to be a outreach you mentor Through through fedora. That's something anyone can do. Um, there is a good amount of time commitment But if it's something you care about It works. It works well. I have to call out of course like the join sig Do an amazing job of You know Reaching these new contributors. That's where we send new contributors and they Connect people and that's been working really effectively And you know, even when I it was like, you know, incorporating them in the community outreach So making like even these small adjustments are no, we've worked perfectly the way we are And I'm like, you know what do your thing? It's a low Effort and anyone could hang out on that channel and help people just get to their way. There's no meetings There's really there's no Like formal responsibilities that hang out on that channel and direct people to the right the right way. So um There's a lot of different things that are happening. I think it's going to grow I'd like to I'd like to see the education Part grow as far as how to mentor and how to be a good mentor Just education in general. I think can help people with some of the skills That make a good mentor right like having some empathy and Being able to communicate well et cetera et cetera So I I'll I'll stop talking. I've been talking for a while someone else came ahead Hard to the internet Also, we could be done just to kind of Build on that one thing that I always think interesting and that I don't that I always see in fedora But don't necessarily see in other communities is specifically in our summer Summer coding mentored projects community. Um, we have this really um Long long trend of folks who have been students who end up becoming Mentors and and kind of continuing down Not all the time, but just you know, it's something that it's just a very interesting trend to see that I don't necessarily see in a lot of other communities where a lot of times, you know The summer ends and then the people go, you know, people go back to real life, but You know, I always think that's something as interesting and unique about the fedora community and is also a shout out to the great work With the join sig and also folks like the poll And sumantro who are really championed the mentorship pieces of the mentored projects I think like for some interns that really get to engage, you know, they get that friends aspect And you know, like when I had my internship back in the day and I went to flock for the first time That's why I was sticking around, you know, I met friends So that's maybe that's you know, one of our foundations and keys to success right there with interns Yes, sumantra is awesome So are we all all done? I guess we'll find us if they want to say hi after after nest After nest uh council fedora council irc Yeah You can find me all over mindshare design Um fedora council mailing list is also a good place Definitely that I think we talked about setting something up on discussion for our project org But um, if I don't think that is active right now for us as a group, but I'd be interested in that experiment at some point Maybe worth mentioning the fedora social hour Where you can actually join and participate in informal conversation less formal even than here and just have some fun in some members of the council hand in there and uh, yeah, you can participate no no need to Be shy about it right and we try to do different things like We try to mix it up, you know for via a picture nary Mozilla hub. So, you know, we try to make a little interactive too All right. I have another session to get to in a very little bit. So I'm going to Head out Thank you everybody. Yep. Thanks everybody Yep, happiness