 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump, mind pump, with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, for 47 minutes, Adam, Justin and I do our normal current events, conversation, by the way, we break this all down for you in our show notes. If you go to mindpumpmedia.com, go on the podcast tab. Go to the show notes. It shows you like minute by minute, or like, you know, whatever, what we're talking about, okay? So here's what we talk about in the first 47 minutes. Adam taps into his nurturing side. Oh, man. Very, very nice. It's so sweet. We also talk about Justin's new grill. Oh, yeah. Oh, he's so hot. We're gonna kiss him. We talk about Adam's Spartan weekend and my speech for the athletes at the Spartan race. Aroo! That was good times. We talk about Justin's Organifi green juice and shake, because he can't eat that much because his teeth are kind of sore. Organifi is one of our sponsors. By the way, if you go to organifishop.com, enter the code Mind Pump. You will get a discount. Oh, and we also talk about Adam using Organifi probiotics whenever he eats five guys burgers. Helps him not poop himself. We talk about Elon Musk deleting his Facebook account. Good time to buy Facebook. That shit. Take that, Zuckerberg. That's right. We talk about the time some- Nerdfight. Nerdfight, nerdfight. We talk about the time some asshole's roof ran into Justin's truck. Who was that? Yeah, come on, guy. I didn't even see it. You know what I mean? Jerk. We also mentioned Viori clothes. We are sponsored by Viori. If you go to Viori clothing, that's V-U-O-R-I clothing.com forward slash Mind Pump, you get a full 25% off your entire order. Fire. Let me get into the questions. The first question was about Adam's programming and planning and his nutrition for recovery. He has a Achilles' tear that he's healing from. He had his hormones that were down a little bit and he's doing a full protocol. He's kind of listening to his body, but he goes into detail. Part of that protocol was using the Juve red light. If you go to juvejovv.com forward slash Mind Pump, you get a discount. And the other thing he was using was infrared sauna. The best one, of course, is Sunlighten. If you go to sunlighten.com forward slash Mind Pump, you'll get free shipping. That's like $600. Man, just plug in these guys. I'm hoping if I plug them enough, they'll give me one for my house. Exactly. The next question was, what is the weirdest thing we've ever seen someone do in the gym? These stories get crazy. You won't believe that. You've seen a lot of weird shit. Crazy stuff. A lot. Next question was, what's the greatest life lesson that each of us have learned from each other? I love learning from Justin and Adam and Doug. And I talked about that. We love learning from you, so. Thank you. I was fishing for that. 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For more information on those bundles and our individual maps fitness programs, go to mindpumpmedia.com. I came in here on Friday or Saturday. Is that your thinking noise? Yeah, it was. I came in here on brain is processing. I think it was Friday or Saturday. I don't remember what fucking day it was, but Taylor was in here recording. So that's why your mic is off. In here? Yeah. He was like talking on the mic? Yeah, him and his home girl, they've been working on this little project for a while now. I don't ask a lot, I don't ask Mysterio a lot of questions. Just kind of let him do his thing. When you say Mysterio, he sounds like a Mexican wrestler. You know what the mask? Oh, I fit so perfect, dude. Mysterio. Speaking of which, I watched Coco this weekend, the cartoon. It's great. It's really good. You watch it? Yeah, I've seen it. I watched that when I was in the theaters. Really? Yeah. You know what I hate about cartoons nowadays? I get emotional. Oh, yeah. They're so powerful. No, it's because I have kids. So now when I see a kid- Well, they make them tragic now. Pixar kind of created that formula. Blame it on the kids? Yeah. They're like, oh, everybody dies. Now we're gonna- I never got emotional watching a cartoon ever until I had kids. First time it happened, finding Nemo. He loses his son. Son- Right? And I'm like watching the dad go after his son. It's tragic. My son was only one or two, and I'm looking at my boy like, what if I lost my son? And then all of a sudden I'm like, it makes us all panicked. Yeah, and then I'm watching Coco and the fucking, you know, the kid goes to the land of the dead, and then they show the dad singing to his little girl, and the little girl sitting on the edge of the bed and he has to leave his little girl. And I'm just like- I know. That's so sad that this cartoon character had to do that. Speaking of babies, I went and saw, this weekend I was out of town to go- Oh yeah, I saw you holding a baby. Yeah. You know, you look good, you look good holding a baby. Does it fit me? You look really nice. It's in your arms. Holding a baby. Oh, goodness. And you had a smile on your face. Soffing you up a little bit, yeah. You had a smile on your face that was- It is, I was- The cool kid. It is a little surreal for me with my best friend, like these are my, these go back, we go out to elementary school, right? So these are my two tight, tight friends and of all my friends, they're both, they're both were pregnant. So my other buddy's wife is still, she's on, I think she's like four or five months deep and then he just had his. So it's his first born, it's a boy, hunter-pressed and gorgeous baby. So seeing them have kids, cause we were always together as, I mean, we were kids together and we always talked about like, not settling down and getting married till late later in life, like we all, that trips me out that we're 37 and 36 and just now everyone's- Starting to have kids. Starting to have kids, like we made that pack like early on in life cause, and I think a lot of it came from, I mean, they were with me during the early years with my dysfunctional family and stuff like that. And so it's obvious where mine came from, you know? I was like, uh-uh, I'm not fucking settled down and getting married for night and signing up for you this shit. Now did it change him? Now that he has a, I mean, it's soon, right? He just had the baby, but was he different at all or what did he say? Yeah, you know, he's definitely, it's this, it's, I'm gonna use cute for a lack of a better word, but it's cute to see his personality with his boy, you know, like he's just, he's trying like so hard, you know what I'm saying? And you can tell he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing, right? Cause it's like, and he's done all the classes and he read the books and he's done it like that. But I mean, I'm sure you guys will test like, you don't know until you, until it's there, right? No. And so watching him kind of like, I still don't know what I'm doing. I was, I was holding the baby and stuff and felt him shit, you know, like, oh boy, he just shit, dude. It's your, there you go, dad. He was handing it back over to him. Yeah. So watching him like, do that for the first time. Now I was the oldest. So I had, and I have two younger siblings. Did you change diapers? Oh, all that, you know what I'm saying? I have a 10 and a 15 year gap between the two of them. So I very much so was used to having babies and carrying babies and changing diapers and doing all that. It was funny because they were kind of, or Katrina and somebody else were kind of teasing me. I'm like, I don't know what you guys are talking about. Like, this is why, part of why I'm not a father is I've already felt like I've done a lot of this stuff already. Like I could, I can swaddle the baby real quick if you need me to. I can burp him if you need to. I could wipe his ass if you need to. Like, I just don't want to do any of that shit. That's all, but. I remember, I remember when my, because my son's my oldest when he was born and you treat this newborn like they're made out of glass. So you're like, oh my God, don't move them. Especially leaving the hospital. But then the nurse takes your baby and the nurse scoops it up like a football. Yeah. And they're like, when they swing the baby around and they're like, whoa, you're gonna break them. But they're like, no, no, no, they're fine. They're way more resilient than you think. Cause I would move them so slowly. Like, shh, nobody makes, you know. Oh, don't, don't, don't break the baby. Anyway, yeah, you look good with the baby, dude. Thank you, man. I could see your heart. Your heart's ready. Oh God. Who knows? Who knows? I don't know if I, you see, you see too, like instantly the life begins to revolve around the kid. Like we even, we have nothing scheduled on the calendar for all of us friends to get together. Cause everyone knows it. Like, well, fuck Justin's gonna have a kid right now. His whole life is changing. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So there's a part of me that's kind of sad too. Yeah. I'm like, ah, fuck you. Just go over there, visit. It's the progression, man. Yeah. Go over there, bring food, you know, visit a little bit, hang out with the baby. I think we're going to create a relationship with that little boy too. Right, right. I already gave him his first outfit and gift. We came from Uncle Adam for sure. So I'm, Did you get him Viori? Do they have Viori baby gear? They should. No, I hooked him up with the- Start him off, right. Justin is a die hard Warriors fan like I am. So I got him the full Katie get up with the shirt, the shorts and the shoes that match and everything. So that's what I hooked him up with. There's no indoctrination going on. Speaking of Viori, did you see our boy? So Matt Vincent's in town. He flew in on Friday. I love that guy. So do I. And he was hitting Justin and I up to hang out. He doesn't like Sal that much. And so he was hitting Justin and I up to hang out this weekend. Like the cool kids. Yeah, he likes the cool kids. I want to do cool stuff. And so we're not scheduled to see him till tomorrow. And I said, oh dude, we'll come down, just say what's up. Or there's a great coffee shop across the street from us and we're recording. You can use a facility. So he showed up today. And he was rocking the same hoodie as you rock. I mean, it's a different color, but yeah. He had the green, the gray and black Viori. I'm like, oh, look at you on the Viori swag. Getting up on the road. Viori game. This guy owning his own clothing line. He's still buying from Viori. It's good shit. No, that's got to say something. Right, right. That's what I say. It's good shit. Looked nice on him too. No, it's a sharp fit. Adam, Justin, excuse me. You look really handsome. Thanks man. Like really handsome. More handsome than before. I would like stop you if you're lying. You know what I mean? But I'm going to own it. Dude, you got to tell everybody what happened this weekend. Dude, so Friday I basically took off after we were here. We had like a scheduled recording that didn't work out. But I went to go actually visit my friend from high school. I connected with this guy. I was at the gym and one of my friends was like, dude, did you know like Tim, he's a dentist? Like I had been looking for a dentist to kind of do some work for me because what I needed done is like super expensive. This was a while back when you first met him, right? Yeah, a while back. And I'd been chopping it up with him and didn't even know he was a dentist. And I guess he's like one of the best dentists in the Bay Area. And he's all over the place doing big commercials. And anyway, he's really putting himself out there. But he's really honed in and mastered his craft on this whole like cosmetic dentistry. And so what I need done is it sucks because like, you know, there's no like, none of the insurance I have is covers any of this shit. And it's like I really needed it done because my teeth were like grinded down to like nothing but gangly like. And this is because you grind your teeth when you sleep grind in my teeth. And then the acid erosion, it was like this perfect storm of like this clusterfuck in my mouth, right? So that's a good movie. By the way, that's a good movie. Yeah, anyway, continue. Yeah, it was a good movie. But yeah, so I clusterfuck in my mouth. It was yeah, I'm Googling that it's a fun. Yeah, it's a fun movie to watch. Yeah, so I basically was I was like, oh, shit, you're a dentist, dude, we got to do something. And so he said, we got to do something to help me out at your art and I have fucked up. I have things. I have a podcast, you know, we're a match made in heaven. Help me, bro. And so I went to his office and so we worked it out. So I was able to go and he did my upper teeth. And it was funny, man, like I had no idea what to expect. So you got veneers. You got veneers. So what's the deal? What do they do first? So what they do is so basically they have to grind down like your existing teeth, right? Grind? They grind it down. With what? Like drills. Oh, shit. Yeah, they got a bunch of different types of drills and I was awake, but I was a kaito, right? Yeah. Awesome. And only because I requested it, like I actually asked him ahead of time, like, can I talk about this on the show? Because I was like, dude, you're giving me like nitrous. You know what I mean? And so he's like, yeah, cool. I'll hook you up or whatever. I'll hook you up. And so you know, you wear this like piece over your nose and you're breathing this like the whole time. What does it feel like? It felt like, it felt, I just felt calm and just chill. Yeah, and I was just like loving it. But if I didn't have that, it would probably have been super uncomfortable. So what's the grinding? Oh, you could feel it. They're just drilling the whole time and you see like bits of teeth, like sparks and shit. Sparks flying out of your mouth. Dude, I was like sitting in the chair. I was like, if I didn't have all the amenities of modern technology, it would have been like medieval torture. You know, like people just like hovering over you, like making jokes, like, ha, ha, ha, this and that. Well, bits of teeth are flying. It's flying in the back of your throat. Like it's fucked up. So when they grind them, and they just grind them straight up or do they have to shape them in a particular way? Well, they're shaping them and basically molding it to where it's- This thing just went, locks right up. Yeah, so they just like attach this piece over it. Were you able to look at your teeth before they put them on? So you're not like, so he's like, I don't know. One of my friends had it done and he kind of forewarned me. He's like, just don't look at your face. Don't look at it like mid-process, right? So I was like really curious. And I was like, I can't help it, dude, I have to. So he took a break and he went and the other, you know, to visit one of his other patients. And so I got my phone out and I was just like, I look around, I grab my phone and I'm looking at myself through like, you know, the, you know, the photo and turned it on myself. I look and I was like, oh my God, I look like a, like a hillbilly. Well, what happened? It was like this gangly, like Gus Chiggins looking fucking face, dude. Just like, you've been chewing on rocks all day. Exactly, exactly. It was so freaky. Did you take a picture of it? No, I can't, dude. I couldn't let that live. Like somebody would have mined that on Google and then that would be my face like forever, you know. Oh, it was terrifying. It was a fucking terrifying look. Oh man, so now you got the new teeth. Is it like, is it weird eating and you sound the same? Yeah, no, I was actually worried about that and we were joking about it. All of a sudden I'm gonna get this lisp and I'm like, oh shit. Yeah, so great. You treated fucked up teeth for a lisp. I don't know what you was worse, dude, you know what I'm saying? Give me the bad teeth back. Yeah, yeah, so this, these are actually more like it's the temporary. So it doesn't have the spacing between. So it, you know, it has messed up my, I don't know, saying certain words a little bit, but not, not quite like it. When I go back and get the permanence done, it'll be like just like regular. What about when you eat? So when I, when I eat, it's sensitive as a dude. Oh, really? Yeah, because they were drilling bits of teeth out the whole time for like two hours. So, you know, my face was sore as hell. I was gonna say, probably feel like you've been punched in the mouth all day long. Right? Yeah, I was all swollen, my upper lip and everything was like swollen like for the first night. And then the- Could you imagine if you had swollen lips and you had a lisp? Just making duck faces everywhere it goes. Yes, if you ever came in today with swollen lips and a lisp, guys. How do you like, how do you like the new look? Do you think you did good with my teeth? I look awesome, don't I? Yeah, so, but finally when it all, yeah, when it all kind of like, like the swelling went down all that, I started looking at myself and I was like, oh, sweet, feel a difference? Like, I remember, because I had, You gotta feel more calm. I had a fucked up grill and I had a crooked smile forever because of it. And it was a trip, feeling my facial expression start to change now that I knew that I had good teeth. So when you know your teeth are good, you start to even talk differently. It's crazy, man, even just having a resting face where I used to just keep my mouth super closed. I'll leave it kind of open because my teeth actually hang down now. They're ground so far down that you couldn't even see them, like it looked like I was almost all gums. Well, don't lose the smolder. I like the smolder, you know what I mean? What's the smolder? The serious face. Yeah, I got resting asshole face. Yeah, a lot of people, yeah, they're a little intimidated, but yeah, so I'm trying to lighten it up. But yeah, I am noticing that a lot, like I'll smile more, I'll be, you know, in a little better spirit, just because of like, it's like you're showing your teeth. It's weird, it changes your mood. Have you seen family and stuff yet? Yeah. Okay, so they've all seen it. Yeah, so they're super stoked. And the thing is, what I love about what Tim did is, like, it looks like my teeth, like I was born with, you know, it's not like I'm getting these Hollywood chompers, you know, like. No, it looks totally natural. Yeah. You would never know. Except for the fangs, the fangs don't look natural. Well, I had to add those. I got inspired by Black Panther. I was a little disappointed in the no platinum or no fucking diamonds in there. I was like, come on, dude, you're already putting the grill in style anymore, dude, now it's rainbow, bro. What's that rapper you showed me? Yeah, that rapper you showed me? Yeah, yeah, I saw it. Six, nine or whatever. Let's not count him, though. Let's not count him as like the new trend or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, so, I mean, overall, I'm super pumped on what he did. Give your boy a plug, dude. He did a great job. What's his business? Yeah, Dr. Tim Rao. So he's over in Holster. But yeah, he has just, just look up his Instagram, Tim the dentist. And then you can check out all his work. Like he has lots of before and afters of like, some people that had like way more gnarly looking teeth than me and I was like, wow, man, he just does masterful work, man. It's funny because healthy teeth are considered such an important thing for attractiveness because in the past, for a long time, if you had bad teeth that many times meant death, like many times it could mean that you didn't survive or you die. Like if you had an infection in your mouth 5,000 years ago, you're fucked. You're probably not gonna make it. Or if you lost your teeth, what are you gonna eat? You know what I mean? You just gotta gum everything. Yeah, your friends have to chew your food for you. It's like a baby bird. Like a baby. So that's why we consider it so attractive because it's like, that's a, I think if I'm not mistaken, anthropologists say that that was a major cause of death in ancient times or prehistoric times, not prehistoric, but ancient times where it was teeth. Like if your teeth were able to stay healthy. Yeah. That's very interesting. Adam, I wanted to ask you about, I saw Katrina did this. Sparta! Yeah, so I went up there to tour Ooh! And I went and looked at the obstacles and stuff. And then I forgot she was gonna do it. And then I saw her pictures on Instagram. So yeah, I was Was she healthy? Cause she was had a cold when she was She wasn't dude. She's still a little, you'll see her today. She's actually coming in here in a little bit to sit in the sauna and she's taking the day off of work again. She's had, she got the same thing you had. I mean, it's nasty. Oh, it's a nasty cold. Yeah, she's normally rebounds really quick. So the fact that she even ran in it, I thought she was crazy. But she, she did it, support her brother. Like she's really been trying to get her whole family, like, you know, together on this. They're all racing in Hawaii at the end of this year. A Spartan? Yeah. Oh, wow. One of the big ones. And so this was just a, what they call a sprint, which is like a shorter one. It's only five miles long. But a couple, I learned a lot of things this time. Because the other times we've been down there, we kind of like expected it, we bullshitted kind of whatever. This time I had to be there like I was racing so I had to get everything and wait. We were there super early, like six o'clock in the morning. I was there all afternoon and watched a bunch of other people race and then them take off. And then I tried to get some photos of them while they were going. I got some really cool photos of Katrina and her brother while they were racing. But notice a lot of things, right? So one of the things that I noticed, it's kind of funny to watch, and I'm gonna just jab right now, but I totally have a lot of respect for the race and everything like that, is the 105 pound, five foot, five guy. Like it's the Spartan race is like made for you. Oh yeah, yeah. Like it is made. The more strength to weight ratio you have, the better period. And I've, you know, like you walk, so think of it this way. So like when you're in, like you go to like a bodybuilding convention, all the big buff guys are like the guys, you know what I'm saying? They're walking around like chest all puffed out because they're the shit, because you're the big buff guy. Those are the guys I can't do half of. Right, right, at the Spartan race? You're not gonna do well. There's none of that. You see this little guy hopping around. Like little rip dugs, you know what I'm saying? Like little dugs like kind of skipping around and like shaking their arms out, you know, kind of getting ready like this. Like, you know, like this is my game right here. You know, you can just see that, you know, eyeballing like the big dudes and shit. So, oh, you're not gonna do well. Yeah, yeah, you see, so it definitely, it bodes well to be like a smaller framed lightweight guy that can run in these events. So it's kind of cool to see that, that I don't know that it's different. That's like nothing else that I can compare to or I've ever seen as far as like that type of athlete dominating. And then I, they had, I didn't realized how many obstacles they have for how short of a run it is. So I've done like muddy, buddy. It's still gnarly. Yeah, so they do, so it's only five miles, right? But they 21 obstacles. That's a lot of obstacles for only five miles. You think, I mean, you don't, you maybe put a one mile stretch at one time and then you're doing an obstacle. And the obstacles for the most part, the ones that I watched out of the 21, I watched about, I don't know, 10 of them. I got to see Katrina and her brother go through them. Some of them are fucking challenging. And it's 30 burpees every time you don't finish. So there's 21 obstacles. You have potential doing a fuck ton of burpees, dude. Nobody wants to do that many burpees, right? So it's like 600 burpees. Yes. Who the fuck would want to use 600 burpees in a day? Like a whole day and that's all. I would never want to do that many burpees. So you definitely are motivated to do every obstacle. And there's some of them that are really, really challenging for people. And when you first start the race, this is really mean too. I got a lot of laughter. I'm fucking standing around injured watching everything. So I'm just kind of people watching. And before you start the race, they have this little like four foot wall. You hop over the wall and you get into the race gate. You know, it's like the race gate. Everyone feeds into this race gate about a couple hundred people might at most fit in it. And then they take off and they do their whole like, their little speech and everything. And they go off and they run. Well, there's like this little wall that you got to climb over it. And I was watching a lot of people struggle to get on the first one long. And all I could think was, fuck you dude, a lot of burpees ahead of you. And they video it, dude. So it's like legit. There's judges and they're videoing the burpees. Like you got to do your burpees before you move on for the rest of the race. Watch some guys try and flip a tire. Probably the most challenging obstacle Barnon was the tire flip for men. And I was a little surprised at that. But I guess it makes sense because again, that would be a big guy would probably be. It is, right. It's a 400 pound tire that you got a tire flip two times. And that's like a deadlift. And the guys that were kicking ass in this race, they weren't, you could tell they weren't like major deadlifters, you know what I'm saying? So seeing that it was pretty interesting to watch them like blaze through the first half. And then they get to this portion or the flip the tire and then watching them get frustrated. Yeah, they must like balance that out as far as skill like, so they take into account like somebody that's bigger. Like let's give them something here where they're going to do well with this versus like always having climbing things to do. Right, now this is what I like about sport. I think they do a good job of that, right? I mean, they had the Atlas stone carry. So they got to carry it. They had to carry an Atlas stone back and forth and do burpees in between. I think they do a good job of trying to trying to make it balance. Yeah, then you had to pull drag this sled with two, I think 50 or 100 pounds sandbags in it across the mud and back. Like there's definitely some stuff that you had to do that required you to be strong too. You couldn't just be this wiry marathon runner. Cause that's, I mean, when you look at it five miles and you're like, dude, if you're a really good marathon runner, you know, or even triathlete, right? You're going to blaze through this pretty quick compared to people, but they definitely do a handful of obstacles where it's a great environment too. Yeah, you know, well, that's another thing I really like about it. I'm sitting here, you know, making fun of people. I'll add a good fun, but everybody is super supportive. Dude, it's a great environment. Very, very supportive. It's a great community of people. Everybody having a lot of fun. There was people out dance. Man, just blown away by how many people go to these things. I mean, I've watched it in the last- They're only going to get bigger. Dude, in the last three years, this thing has just in our time of having a mine pump. I remember the first one I was introduced to and seeing this one out in the, in fucking nowhere, out in the middle of nowhere, just the line of cars coming in to go to these things. And they're butt, say every 15 minutes, a group of like 100 to 300 people are taking off from like 7 a.m. all the way till noon. So do the math on that. It's a reaction. They're going to keep getting bigger and more popular as our lives get more and more and more tangible. That's a majority of what I saw. Now, mind you, they have it sectioned off, right? So if you're a, like a Ben Greenfield, if you're a pro, you take off and if you're competing to actually, because top 10 in each class, that qualifies you for the next big race, right? If you want to get into it. And then you have like weekend warriors, like Katrina and Larry, where they weren't trying to like hardcore compete. They're the majority though. You can just see it. You just see groups of like computer nerds and stuff like that that- Nope, that's all they're- That's why it's so big, you know? Like where CrossFit blew up and everything, it's just like not that accessible for like everybody, right? Especially to compete and even like make their way into the games portion of it. Whereas this is like, everybody can compete. Obviously there's an elite group that, you know, dominates the course that you pay attention to, but you know, everybody can give it a shot. And I'm not going to lie. There's a part of me that after watching it firsthand and it literally like running alongside Katrina and Larry and photo-ing him. So with that, that makes me want to just see me go at it. Like- Because there's, I'm looking at all the obstacles and I'm like, okay, 20 year old me blazes through this. No problem. Like none of these things, they did have a seven foot wall, which a lot of people had a hard time with, because it's a seven foot wall full of mud and shit like that is not easy just to scale over. So there's a couple of obstacles I looked at and I thought, okay, I might- Now do they help each other over? Like- So you technically can't, so there's certain things they allow you to kind of help out and other things they want. For example, if you're a dude and you're trying to do the 400 tire flip, you can't, your boy can't come over and help deadlift it with you and get it flipped over. That's not okay. Like you got to do it. If you can't do it, then you go do your burpees. But I did see them allowing people to help each other over some of these like seven foot walls and stuff. Yeah, I think that's encouraged. Yeah, I think they do encourage you to do those types of obstacles, but then there's like the rings and obviously things like that you can't or dragging your sled. I couldn't come over and help pull the sled for you or carry the Atlas ball for you. Like those things they require you to do it on your own. Yeah, maybe we'll get out there at one of these times. Well, the fact that it was broken up by that many obstacles already made it more. Cause I am not, you're just not going to get me to go do a marathon. No, no, no, it's all endurance based, no thanks. I have no desire and even if it's not a full marathon, a half marathon, it doesn't matter. Like I have no desire to go run for five, 10, 15 or 20 miles straight. Just run like that. And I get the people that love that more power to you. But for me, it's just not appealing. I'm definitely more a strength guy. And so realizing that they have that many obstacles in that short of a race, that was more appealing to me. I'm like, oh, fuck 21 obstacles in only five miles. That means I'm probably never running more than a quarter mile. No, this is a 100% a reaction to just modern comfortable lifestyle. This is what I talked about when I was gonna ask you about how that went, like, as you spoke for a lot of these guys. So they invited me to come do a talk at the athlete dinner. So athlete dinner, the athletes can pay and then they have special guests or whatever that come. And it's a group of, depending on the size of the show. So I think this is a smaller one or whatever. So there's like 100 something people in there. And they asked me to talk. And at first I thought to myself like, what am I gonna talk about? Am I gonna talk about fitness and stuff? That doesn't really seem appropriate. So instead I talked about the reasoning behind why obstacle course racing in Spartan in particular is so popular and the reason why people actually do it. And I think it definitely resonated. And you can see that these races in this kind of activity is a complete reaction to the comfort of an ease of modern life. You know, it's funny, humans we are wired to have to seek out challenge or at least to find meaning in life through challenge. And when challenge is taken away from us and taken away from us and taken away from us, it's almost like we have to create it. And we either create it by making yourself anxious and stressed over trivial things or depressed over. Do you know how many people are depressed in modern Western societies or anxious and stressed out? More than ever. But we have way more than we've ever had before. Collectively we have way more. More people have a roof over the heads, food is not an issue. Right, bums have cell phones now. Yeah, obesity is more of an issue than starvation. People have more than one pair of pants to wear, one pair of shoes and one shirt. People have so many clothes that I know a lot of people have clothes in their closet they probably never even worn. And so it's like we need to feel that challenge and so that's kind of what I talked about. And I gave some examples in my talk. And one of the things I talked about was Superman which I thought was very fascinating. I think I talked about this before on the show on how the comic book Superman, you know when Superman was first, you know when they first came up with the idea of Superman, he was this alien with superpowers could jump over buildings, run faster than a train, stop bullets, basically just the most awesome, you know impenetrable super hero ever. Yeah, it was super Boy Scout, made all the right decisions. But then as his powers grew through the years, he became like a God. Like he could go back in time if he flew fast enough, he could go to the planet. Right, spin around. And nobody bought the comic books. The comic book sales dropped and people would buy comics like Batman because Batman is a guy who could- It was more relatable. Yeah, he's dark, you know, he's got some challenges. His parents got killed, like all this other stuff. And so they had to make Superman more relatable but in reality what they're doing is it's highlighting that people, we need to feel like we're becoming something. It's not about being anywhere. It's not about being, you know, like, okay, I've accomplished everything now, what? You know, we need to have that challenge. And so I think races like this, like people who work in offices, people who have every day, you know, they have their kids, they have their jobs. You know, you need to feel like you're conquering something or at least that you're overcoming a challenge or you're feeling alive through a challenge. So what they do is they go sign up for these races that test them and they get wet and they get muddy and they got to climb walls and they got, and they feel, and it's controlled but they feel the danger because people do get hurt at these things. And then you talk to people afterwards or even before and after and they're just exhilarated. They're just beaming. Yeah, it's like, it's like they feel like, you know. Well, that was Katrina's brother. Katrina's brother is 40 years old. He's in the IT tech world, you know what I'm saying? And he grinds 50 to 70 hours every single week. And, you know, his younger days was an athlete, you know, played sports and stuff like that and an athletic guy. And, you know, and I remember talking to him afterwards. Man, he was so pumped. Yeah, you could just, you could hear. I can totally relate. I mean, I brought this up on the show when I did that, that silly football game, you know, it was the same, it was the same thing. Like I didn't prepare for it like very much. It just being at the event and knowing that there's like extreme like danger and there's things that could happen that, you know, I could get hurt or, you know, I'm enduring like some pain like momentarily in the moment, like it forces everything to be so present. And then after everything's done, it's like, whoa, you get this rush. It's this crazy rush you get from it. But it's hard to describe. But it's not like, I mean, can people get addicted to that rush or whatever? Sure, but is that a good feeling to encounter a challenge and to persevere? You don't even have to succeed or win just the fact that you prove to yourself that I could do it. Now think about this, think about how parents parent their kids nowadays. That we remove all that from our kids. We take, we try as hard as we can as parents. And I'm guilty, I was guilty of this. We try so hard to eliminate as many challenges as possible. Let's get all the obstacles out of the way, make it easy as possible, kind of try to pave the smooth road for our kids so they have this easy road to success. But the reality is if you make that life too easy for them, the road that you're paving is not success. The road that you're paving is, you know, this feeling of being either, you're not teaching them how to overcome. No, you're not doing any of that. So for me, I've been fasting now every month and I've been noticing the physical benefits of fasting. But what I'm mostly falling in love with is not the physical benefits of fasting. It's the, yeah, 100%. It's that I know I'm about to not eat for three days that's still a challenge for me. And when I do it at the end of it, I always feel like, fuck, I can totally do it. Like I can totally go without food for a few days and I can control. Completely, this is why I think it exists in all these cultures and religions. It's like, these are challenges that we self-impose on ourselves to give us meaning into. I mean, that's how you forge, what is it, steel is forged with fire, right? I mean, you gotta have a little bit of that in order to feel like things are worth something. So that's kind of what I talked about. And it resonated. I mean, in the beginning when I was giving this speech, everybody's eating dinner, I think they were like, I just want to eat dude while you're talking, you know what I mean? But I think at the end, people were like, okay, yeah, fuck yeah, that's what's going on. I heard your intro was shitty. I heard Taylor said that Joe gave you a really shitty intro into you coming over. I'm gonna have to give him crap about that. Oh, it wasn't that, it was just short. It was just, hey, here's Sal, and I intro it myself, which I would prefer to do anyway. Oh, really? Yeah, you know what it is? If you're, you know what it reminds me of? It's like, you ever seen like, you ever go to a bar and there's like a comedian or something in the background, but everybody's just kind of hanging out. So it's in the background. So I feel like people are eating and they're not really expecting someone to like talk. I've heard comedians complain that, you know, some of these clubs that have like food like that, like accessible because it totally distracts them. You know, it's just, it's just, initially it's like that, like getting everybody like, okay, now I'm talking. Right. But then everybody came. Capturing, yeah. Yeah, everybody got everything. Were you the first speaker, or was there people before you? He just said a little bit and then it was me and that was it. Oh, okay, wow. I was the only one, yeah. Oh, wow. I was the only one talking, so anyway. But yeah, I was, you know, I can see the value in these types of things because initially as a trainer and as a fitness professional, when I see these things, I'm kind of like, you know, why, like what's the purpose? Like why are you doing so many better ways to get in shape or whatever. Right. But you really do see the value in what it brings people and it's not the physical value. The physical value is a side effect. I think it's the other side of it. And you bond with everybody else that's there, you know, going through the same thing. So it's, there's definitely power in it. You know, it's a great experience for a lot of people. How was the food? What did they serve? It was good, it was just regular steak and vegetables and potatoes and stuff like that. It was decent, yeah, decent stuff. Good people, very good people. You know, the Spartan team or staff, always very welcoming, nice people. So I've always had a good experience with it. Dude, I'll tell you what, it has been a bit challenging eating though over the weekend for me, you know, after getting these teeth installed because it's just like sore and. You doing shakes? Yeah, so, so exact. So like I'm even just chewing on any like vegetables and chewing, I was like trying to eat some broccoli and it was just like these lightning bolts that would hit. So I was like, you know, screw it. I'm just going to go with my green juice and like do that all weekend to save my ass. Cause like I could only literally do, so I did that and then I did some, I actually did some weight protein too, which I'm not like a huge weight protein, you know, drinker, but I'm like, dude, I gotta get in some calories, man. So yeah, I was like. How long? Shakes, like all weekend. How long will you be on the shake diet? I mean, when are you supposed to start eating? Oh no, it's, I think it varies, you know, person to person. Like for me, I kind of tried, I tried to eat a little bit of meat. Like Courtney had made some Kahlua pork as well. And I was like gumming on that for like 20 minutes. You know, it just wasn't working. So I'm like, I'm going to shakes, man. Fuck this. But yeah, I'm just starting to now kind of eat like softer meats and stuff. So, you know, but yeah, you have to eat it all on like the very back. So like, you know, these teeth in the back, I'm like grinding it down. And that's about all I got. He's going to get ripped. Yeah. He can't eat anymore. Exactly, yeah. Adam, you were saying how the, you're using probiotics to help you. Oh yeah, no, I just wanted to ask. Could you just remind me? Well, I wanted to ask your opinion on that because I, again, I don't know if I'm just drawing the conclusion myself or there's something there that, you know, I started getting in the habit of, because we have organized everything, right? So we're obviously we're sponsored by them. So I have my fucking kitchen cover looks like it. So I have all their stuff in there. And probably the thing that I used the least is the probiotic. And, you know, we had something a couple of weeks back where, you know, my stomach was just kind of upset. I'm like, you know, I'm gonna go take one of those. And I remember a few hours going by and going like, oh shit, I feel a lot better. That's crazy. So I've been kind of training myself if I eat off the diet or eat something I know is not ideal for my body. I have, I just kind of, now I'm trying to like have it with it. And I've noticed that it doesn't, my stomach's not getting upset when that happens. Same some stuff that would normally start to upset me after eating it. I feel really settled from that. Yeah. So the Bephidobacterium and the Acidop, I think the Bephidop and the Acidophilus in there are known to be able to help with digestion quite a bit. So I've done that too in the past where when my gut was off, if I was gonna eat something then I would eat a probiotic with the food and it would make a huge difference. You can do that with digestive enzymes will help a little bit too. It's five guys burger is near our house and it's like one of the go-to burger spots if Katrina and I decide like on a Friday night, let's have a burger or something. And so we'll do that. And the one thing I had to say that is the drawback of having the five guys is that it never fails afterwards. I'm just like, I just feel like a brick. Yeah, like a brick or a rock is in my stomach and just as good as it is going down, I just don't feel great afterwards. But since I've been using that, I feel totally different. So that's been kind of a cool little- Now the problem with that, and this is what I fell into is because of that, I started using it. Yeah, I started using them like, I got the cure. But really what it's doing is it's helping but it's not, like you're still getting some of the negative effects. You're just not getting as many, you know what I'm saying? So just be aware- I figured that, like- Cause I would do that, man. I was like, all you whatever I want now and just probiotics. Right, and I think that's important. I'm glad you brought that up cause I would never want to give that impression than in somebody in our audience like, oh, shit, I'm gonna buy the product and I just fucking eat shitty food all the time and just take it like, no, I'm not. No, the way I'll do it is if I know I'm gonna go, like if I make the conscious choice, like, okay, you know what? I'm gonna go eat this whatever. I'll bring my probiotic with me and take that. Then it'll help, but otherwise it's not like, it's not a ticket to doing whatever you want. Yeah, yeah. I wish it was, but it's not. No, I'm not using it like that. I was pretty certain that that's probably not an ideal way. But it's nice to know that that makes a difference cause it is something that you know, Katrina and I will occasionally have when we're craving a burger and it's so close to home and now I've kind of. Dude, real quick, I gotta ask you guys, did you guys see what Elon Musk did? Oh, about Facebook? Took himself off Facebook. And SpaceX. Took SpaceX off Facebook and I think Tesla off Facebook. Yeah. Oh. Talking shit too. Bro. Talking shit, dude. So people on Twitter were challenging him to do that and he's like, oh yeah. Well, I'll take that off. Facebook shares are, I mean, they're down. They've been up and down, but they're down right now because of all the stuff. And then there's a talk about how they might get investigated. There might be some regulations, which I think is just stupid. I'd know, don't regulate them. Don't, that'll only make it worse. Do not inject any government into tech at all. This is like their opportunity to like to sink their teeth into, into tech. You know what I mean? Oh, finally. They have a big monster down. Dude, here's what they do. They never, ever let bad news go to waste. If some shit goes down. Drag it through the mud. Because when people are scared, they're easy to manipulate. So now people, especially the people who are scared the most right now is the liberal left, right? The political left because the story was that this political, this company went in, mined a bunch of data from Facebook and then used it to sway voters to vote for Trump. And so now all the, what they're trying to do is they're trying to use that political story to tell the left, hey, this is not good. This is how they got Trump elected. Yeah, and here's the truth. The truth is both sides have been doing that forever. Yeah. Like they spend a lot of fucking money on trying to sway people and psychological warfare and all that kind of stuff. So this is nothing new. But what they're trying to do is use the fear of Trump that the left has so much, or the hatred or whatever, to encourage them to push forward for regulations in tech, which is a terrible, terrible idea, terrible idea. You let them jump in. The next thing you know, your Facebook will be a machine for propaganda, which it is a little bit through corporations, but it's always safer than having, you know, government force behind it type of deal. Don't let them in, but yeah, I think it's hilarious how Elon pulled this. See, that's the fine. There's nothing wrong with that. Like if a private company does- He's got personal shit with Mark Zuckerberg, though. They don't like each other. That's funny. That's such like a billionaire jab. Like, you know what I'm saying? I don't like you. You don't like me. I love it. Your company's struggling right now. Let me give you a little kick while you're down. I love it. I love it. He said like he still will use Instagram or something, right? Oh yeah. They were talking shit on Twitter. I saw that. Were they? Yeah, yeah. Well, he was talking shit about him, but Elon Musk was, but I didn't see anything with Zuckerberg coming back at him. But speaking of old news, I have something for you guys that's funny. When was the last time you guys heard a men's warehouse commercial? Oh, I guarantee it. You're gonna like the way you look. You're gonna like the way you look. Right, right. When was the last time you heard one of those commercials? Do you remember? I don't know. I don't know. It was probably like the 90s. No, no, no, no, no, no. They still run, bro. Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah. I've been out of the loop. What's the guy's name? George Zimmer. I don't know. So George Zimmer is the guy who does it. He's also the founder, right? So he started it. A little history on this. The reason why I'm bringing this up is I'm in the hotel room this weekend. This is just how my brain works. I don't know if anybody else can relate to this or not. I think Sal, you're like this. We're laying in the hotel and we're like, it's like fucking 10 o'clock at night, we're watching TV. And the fucking men's warehouse commercial comes on. And Katrina and I aren't even really watching to you. We're kind of talking, but I can hear it and see it. And of course the men's warehouse commercial is so familiar to me because I've heard it five billion times, right? Yeah. But what catches me is it's not him. Is he done? What? It's not him. So this is why I said this is old news. He was actually fired in 2013. What? Oh, I remember reading about that. I kind of vaguely do too, but it didn't sink in for me. And the reason why this is why it didn't sink in probably for you either. So of course this is what I do whenever something like this happens just because I'm curious. Right away I get to Google and like, you know, the men's warehouse guy, figure out who his name is. Then I've researched like, why is he not in the commercials? And I find out the whole story. So he, first of all, he started the thing fucking forever ago. I think it's, I think the company's almost 40 years old or some shit. 1970. Right. Yeah, it's been around for a long time. He grew it to over 1,100 locations. Whoa. Yeah, bro, over 1,100 locations. But here's the deal. So what happens? He ended up getting a board. It turns into this huge company, very similar to Mark Mastroff's story. Then he's like the chairman of the board. Then he's trying to tell them what to do things and they're like, no, you're out. We don't need you anymore. And gets rid of them. But they've got, they've already got 500 hours of his commercial time. So since 2013. Really running them all over. Right. We've been hearing his voice still for a long time, even though he wasn't the voice of the company anymore. Because he's no longer. Wow, that must have pissed him off. And that was the first time. Right. That was the first time it made the connection for me that, oh, he's no longer, you'll guarantee it. You know, it's not him anymore. It's some other dude. And it sounded horrible. Didn't come off. Oh man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I know that's a hell of old news for somebody who already knew that, but it hadn't sunk in for me because I had seen these commercials. Him? Isn't that funny? Yeah, the local commercials just stick with you. I remember even when I was in Chicago, they have like this guy that he does like commercials for like a carpet company. And it's been like the staple commercial like that's always on, but there's always something like that. And like, you know, like local communities will have like somebody that just like is like an icon. I remember him from the men's warehouse. I remember the guy from the diamond center. The diamond center guy. With the big ass mustache. Yes, dude. I remember Paul from the diamond center. Yeah. And then I remember Vidal Sassoon. You don't look good. Yeah. If you don't look good, we don't look good. We don't look good. Those are the three dude. What about the hair club for men guy? And he said he was national. He was like syndicated. Yeah, no, but I just, those other three guys that do with the diamond center guys. The diamond center guy killed it. Fucking winner. He's a champion. He's a champion. Absolutely. Ladies man. She had mother shit. I didn't stand the guy. There's this guy. This roofing guy that is local knocks roofing. I think, but yeah. Anyway, I had a bad experience. He just got a plug. Yeah. No, I just blasted him. He said he fucked up my roof. I got a hole in my roof. He never showed up and I was trying to fix my neighbors like, did I tell you about this story? No. About what happened when I first moved into my house. No. Oh my God, dude. So I rented a truck, big old rental truck. And if you guys have ever been to my house, I know Adam has been to my house, but like you have to go down. Like it's like a not a through street. And so you drive down this really narrow road. And so like you wind through all these redwood trees and shit. And so this is one corner that I'm trying to drive this big ass truck through. And it's really close to this, this other little extension of a house. And so I'm like turning the corner and I hear a donk and then it gets louder. And so I like try and back up. And then I'm hitting it and scraping it even more. Turns out I hit the like top of the roof. Oh, shit. The roof was hanging over the road. When you first moved in? When I first was moving in. You never told this story, dude. I didn't hate you as a neighbor. I hit this dude's house. And he was in it. He was in the extension of that and he gets out. And he's just like, he's like, ah, like just raging on me. And I was in there with my dad and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm so sorry. Like I had like, I don't know. Like I was literally just turning the corner. Like I had no idea your roof was like hanging over the road, you know, and there's no signs. Justin Paul mad at him. What the fuck, bro? Your roof hanging over the road? No, I was being like very apologetic. Your roof hit my truck. I'm like, I'm so sorry, man. I had no idea. I was trying to be chill. Like I'm like, I'm actually, I'm gonna be your neighbor. Then it got really weird, you know? So I'm just like, fuck, I gotta handle this. Are you guys friends now or no? Fuck, no. No, we don't talk. Oh, dude, that's all your fault. It was bad impression. Since day one. Yeah, but apparently the guy's a total dick anyway. So, you know, it's fine with me. I like to weed him out quick. Yeah, so I totally messed this up. It was totally my fault. And so I'm trying to make up for it. And I'm calling people. I'm calling a plethora of these companies. And I'm like, please help. I'm in dire need of somebody to come fix this thing like ASAP. And, you know, I presented a couple of companies. He was like, he rejected two of the people like I tried to get work on my house because he's like works for the city. So he's like super anal about like, you know, their license and all this shit. And I'm like, come on, guy, like I'm trying to help you out and pay for this and get it done. And so he's just giving me a hard time the whole time. And he's like, I only want this company. And so he gets like the Knox roofing people. And so I'm like, fine, whatever, let's go with them. So I'm taking work off to make sure that I'm there to explain the situation and that it's actually my neighbor's house. I'm fixing not my house. And then you need to show up at this location this time. And so take work off, no show. No show the whole day. I call, I'm like, what the hell? Like I gave him my phone number, everything, nothing. Fine, I'll give you that. I'll give you like a mole again, right? And so we set up another date. This like same exact thing. I take work off. I'm like losing money out of this whole thing. Guess what? No show again, no call, none of that. And I like deliberately called the office and was like, you better fucking call me if you know, like you guys are gonna like have a problem finding the place or whatever. Like you make sure you call me. Like I'm taking work off the no show, ghosted me, whatever. Three times? Yeah, so I wrote him a scaling review on fucking Yelp. And I'm like, dude, you can't like, you can't run a business like that. Like come on. You had to go with a different company? Yeah, so finally found a guy that was like, he worked on a lot of the local like cabins. Like I live in kind of a community. And so he does a lot of handy work and stuff. So I finally got him to help patch and fix it up. And then he fixed it up. And then it was like, okay, cool, finally. And then anyways, it was this big, big ordeal and it was super stressful. And like, meanwhile, I'm like remodeling my house and you know, I had a newborn and I'm living with my parents. And when I get off work, I'm coming home remodeling my house all by myself. And it was like the most chaotic, stressful fucking situation ever. He had no idea who he was messing with. Dude, so ever since then, I'm like, you're dead to me. You're dead to me. You're dead to me, guy. Quas. Angle and glamour. Climber and quas. Today's quas being brought to you by Chimeric Coffee. It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural nutropics for a cleaner, calmer and more focused buzz without the crash. Click the Chimeric link at mindpumpmedia.com and input the discount code, Mindpump a checkout for 10% off. It's the motherfucking quas. The eagle has landed. Quick quas. All right, our first question is from Tony Lowe. Yo, yo, yo. Oh, it's our boy. Yo, yo. I'd like to hear Adam discuss how he's programming and planning nutrition for recovery. As far as the nutrition piece right now, it's actually nothing I'm really too focused on yet. And that's just because I kind of... You're trying to keep your weight the same, right? Yeah, I don't want to see my weight go up or down. So I'm kind of subtly adjusting how I'm eating, but not really, like this is not how I work. Like so when I'm getting, especially when I'm like rehabbing. So this is more about like my Achilles and getting myself healed and mobility and getting strength back. And so just a personal strategy for me when I'm doing something like this, I don't have a show in time or anything like that. There's kind of like, I start to take things in phases of what I'm like, what are priorities? And so priority right now is the recovery of the Achilles and mobility. Hence is why every day there's some sort of, you know, prime or prime pro that I'm addressing addressing with my posture. You see me doing the sauna, you see me doing the infrared, you see me doing the ice bath right now, or the like a banded planter, dorsal flection. Yes, yes, exactly. You see me, I was just doing that next to you the other day, Justin, where I wrap a band around my foot. And I actually haven't even posted that. I do that too. So really... You do that more as a trigger session, right? Throughout the day? Yep. Yeah, I'll just, and you know, something that I'm noticing is just, I've got, I definitely have this guard. This Achilles is different. It's different than anything else I've dealt with. It's for sure one of the most challenging injuries I've personally dealt with. I haven't done it a lot. Like I'm not like a motocross fucking racer where I have 400 different injuries or broken bones, but I've had enough that, you know, this is probably gonna be the longest out of anything I've ever done. Like, I think in my head, because I'm technically six weeks out from the injury, like, oh cool, I should be recovered right now, but no, I mean, when I was at the Spartan race, like, you know, from 7 a.m. till about noon, I'd already put 10,000 steps in. Well, the most steps I've done since this injury three months ago is about 10 to 12,000 steps. Like that's a lot. And when I do that, like doing that much in that morning, walking out on dirt and so that, oh, I was so inflamed. Oh still? Oh yeah. I was inflamed and swollen and hurting and stuff, so. Now how do you feel the day after or two days after doing something like that? Well, that would be today. Yeah. So I'm sore today. So you still feel it? Oh yeah, no, it's painful. Yeah, no, it's like, like I said, this is like nothing before. Yeah, because I'm wondering, because I know with injuries, what I've experienced is if you push it a little bit, it heals faster, but that's a hard, it's hard to figure out what that means. Well, and again, you know, this one is different than anything else I've done, where you're right, there's a lot of injuries I've had before where getting in there, get the blood flowing, get the oxygen going, get nutrients sent there, start moving around and it's a little painful through the moving around process, but then once it feels loosened up, it actually feels good. This one's a little different and I just think that's because I didn't, I opted not to do the surgery. I still probably have some, and even when they were under there talking about my Achilles, they still had some damage in there around my ankle from previous injuries. So I think I just gotta have a lot of damage and that is still, there's still some of a healing process there. So that's why this one, and so again, I'm moving really slow. When you look at my workouts, because it's an injury thing and the feel and how I feel is so much more important than how I would program, getting ready for a show or building muscle or trying to increase strength, like, because I care about my numbers or something. So I really don't ride a workout out. I actually go through the workout and kind of listen to my body as I'm going through. And then I document it for everyone to see. So what you're seeing on my Insta story right now is not Adam in the lab like wrote out like the next 12 weeks and I'm like, this is, I'm gonna follow this to a T. It's more like, how do I feel today? You know, these, there's certain areas that I want to touch and address. And my volume is pretty low. What you're, why I'm tracking for everybody next month, you'll really see me start to move the screws is I'm tracking my total volume. And so you see me just adding the days up. So someone the other day, they DM me and they're like, you know, if you guys are all about maps in three days a week, why are you on day five? You know, I'm like, well, that's day five since I've been back asshole, not like five days a week. You know what I'm saying? That's not what I'm saying. Not to say that we would say- Got you slipping. Right. And there's programs that we would encourage five, six days a week also. But that was, so anyways, I'm numbering everything so people can see. And then at the end of 30 days, I don't know how many workouts that's gonna be. It could be 12, could be 10, could be about 15 or so. And then my goal is next week is to build upon that. Or next month is to build upon that. So I'm not putting this pressure of, you know, I got, I'm writing this program out or I'm following maps red to a T. It's like, no, I'm taking things from Prime and Prime Pro. There's some staple things in Maps Anabolic which is our foundational program. So of course it's gonna be inside of my programming right now. But right now it's about recovery for me, man. Are you able to squat heavy or is it limiting that? I mean, I've squatted up to 205. Do you feel like that's still limiting? No, I don't think that limits my squat. Oh wow. Yeah, yeah, no. I'm assuming a deadlift it would limit because of the posture chain. I'm more scared to go heavy on that. It hasn't, I've been doing, I've incorporated single leg deadlifts in there. I've got single leg toe touch in there. So I'm challenging the ankle. So I'm definitely, I'm doing some barefoot work that I'm doing. I did conventional and I did wide grip deadlifts or snatch grip deadlifts in there. But I haven't, I'm, I definitely wouldn't go really, really heavy on because of post to your chain like you're saying. You also took time off period of training. Everything. Yeah, your upper body, everything. Yeah, yeah. So you're not just, I mean, you're rehabbing but you're also just getting back into it. Right. At the same time. I mean, at that point, I finally just, I think I, and I don't know if I mentioned this on the show and I know we've talked about it that. I just, with everything that was going on with my body hormonally with the testosterone being off of that for as long as I've been off of that now for the injury going on. I really was like, okay, I'm not going to dwell on my physical mean. I'm not going to dwell on my physique and care about that stuff. Like I'm going to put energy and effort into personal growth. You did a workout fast. Right, exactly. You know, and I know that how fast I can get it back. You know, I guess the takeaway from that for some people. I mean, it literally is a workout fast because it's important that we communicate that because people might confuse that with, because it's different than somebody just saying, fuck it, I don't want to work out. Right, or falling off the wagon. It's very different. You're listening to a person who's been in fitness professionally for 15 years and been active for most of his life. So it wasn't, and I know this, it wasn't you saying, fuck it, I don't want to do any more fitness. It was you literally saying, I need to fast from fitness because in that state, you know, and maybe correct me if I'm wrong, that is a very difficult state to go through when, you know, whether you like it or not, there was at least some identification with being fit and being able to move and being accurate. So fasting from that, you know, was more about treating your psyche than anything. It was. And that's kind of how I took the challenge on. So instead of like fighting my body and being angry every time I went to the gym and then I felt in pain. Like detach. Right, just detach. Like I'm gonna let go of that part of me. Like I'm gonna let go of that. I can always get it back whenever I want to. And so I just kind of embraced this like, okay, I'm not gonna lift right now. I'm not gonna train. I'm not gonna worry about my physique going to shit. I'm not gonna worry about my arms getting all skinny starting to get kind of a belly. Like I just said, you know what? Like I'm not gonna really worry about that. Now I also didn't go off the rails and just say, fuck everything and just eat like shit. That's the difference. That's what I'm saying. Because I would have been royally fucked. Like I put on some serious body fat for me by being mindful. Like I mean I was down to eating once, twice a day at the most. I had to cut my calories in half because I'm just not moving. I mean I'm telling you guys right now, like a 10,000 step day is a big deal for me. A 10,000 step day would be a sedentary day for me just three months ago. No, you have to imagine. If you're listening right now, you have to imagine, you know, we're fitness professionals. We've been doing this for a long time. There is a level of identification with the physical. Of course, first of all, it's everybody. Everybody's got some kind of attachment to their body. If you were to lose a limb or not be able to move for a while, it would be very challenging just because you have some attachment to your ability to move. But you know, multiply it times 10 with someone who's in fitness who now has lost the ability to have a quote unquote good feeling workout because you know, hormones are off. And then on top of it, you can't move your lower body at all. So now you're limited even more. So removing yourself from that wasn't, and I know this, I was watching you. It wasn't you saying, I give up on life, I'm just gonna fucking be lazy. It was literally, I'm gonna detach because this is fucking with me. And this is how I'm gonna get through this. And so it's important we communicate that because I'm pretty sure those people listening right now who are going through something similar or may goes through something similar. And sometimes that's the answer. Now, the side effect of that being, of course, you lose your fitness, you're not able to work out and all that stuff. But life is all about looking at like your options and sacrifice. And at that moment it was, okay, you know, my body, I'm gonna have to sacrifice it for a second to strengthen and create more of a healthy psyche. Otherwise, what's the other option? Fuck man, massive depression or anxiety or whatever. Right, you know. And I even, there was a little bit that at the very beginning that I kind of struggled with that because I thought, okay, well I can still do all my upper body stuff. So better me do that than nothing. And I just, I felt myself really challenged. When you look at my physique for me personally, I spent the first 10 years of my workout career focusing on my upper body. So honestly, it's the least thing I need to worry about it was the last 10 years of my lifting, I've really started to build my lower half. So if there's anything that is lagging or needs the most attention, it's my lower physique, which I can no longer move. So the kind of, I started like, I started fucking with myself where I just get like, well, fuck, what am I? I'm sitting here lifting my upper body. It's like, why? Just so I can fill my shirts out. Like, why am I doing it? Why am I so, why do I care so much that I need to keep pressing through right now? I fucking hurt right now. I'm in pain. I don't feel like doing this. It's like, no, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm just gonna shift my focus instead of hanging on to a certain way that I look or trying as hard as I can to try and make, no, I'm gonna be mindful. I'm gonna cut back on some of the calories. I'm gonna make a little bit better choices. I'm not gonna allow myself to go off the deep end and stuff like that. I can't fucking move. And I'm gonna put my energy and focus towards other things that aren't hindered by that. Like, I don't need an Achilles to sit down and read a book, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't need an Achilles to connect with my sister or my brother and give them a call and talk to them for an hour on the phone. Things that I probably wasn't, I wasn't doing enough of as it was in my life. So I chose to fast from that. That's a great way to put it. I didn't think of it that way as saying it as a fast, but it absolutely was a workout fast for me. And the same way that I reintroduce food into my diet after a long period of fasting, you see me doing with exercise. There is not like this, I'm gonna eat this, I'm gonna do this, whatever. It's like, okay, I'm gonna start really easy. I mean, two sets of exercises, one muscle group I'm touching, you know what I'm saying? Very lightweight for me. I'm nowhere near going to failure. It's like I'm just touching these weights. And then I'm kind of assessing how I feel afterwards. Oh, shit, like that little bit actually fucking got me sore. Wow, I'm that decondition right now. So I don't need to be in here training every single day. Now that you've been lifting, have you noticed the changes? You've been saying you're testosterone. You can feel it more than they have. Yeah, yeah, that's the biggest thing I notice right now. And I, you know, I've got great things to say about the Juve light. I've got great things to say about the sunlight saunas. I've definitely, those things have helped me in multiple ways that I appreciate. But nothing has made a bigger difference than the strength training has for like my testosterone levels, my sex drive. Like that's just- It's crazy, right? It was crazy. So think about it this way. Think about what a gift you've been given. And I know it's been challenging. So I hate to, I say it that way and I'm not being insensitive to what you've gone through. But think about the gift you've been given now feeling it firsthand. So recently, just how big of an impact resistance training can make on those good feeling anabolic hormones for when we communicate this to people. You know, it's crazy. It's so crazy. And it's so funny even myself because, you know, I'm taking all these herbal supplements. I'm doing all these other things to help boost it too. And, you know, it never fails. Like when we talk about it on the show all the time, but until you feel like a dramatic difference like that. You know, and I know a lot of like, probably mid, mid 20 people that are listening to this that they just, they don't give a fuck and they can't connect to that yet. And like, I understand. But at one point you'll be 30, at one point you'll be 40, at one point you'll be 50. And at one point you will feel your hormones if you're a natural person start to decline. And as a man, and of course I'm going through the extreme version. So you can kind of hear like for me like, oh shit, like I don't ever want to feel that. Well, I mean, I battled with depression over it. I didn't, I had no motivation to want to come and lift. I have no sex drive. And all those fucking things are all compounding. So you put them all in together and it's just like- You eliminate one is gonna like affect everything else. Oh, it's domino effect. Especially if you're used to being like- Yeah. Sexual alpha, strong dude. Not that that was your identity, but to an extent if you live that way for a while and then that's taken from you, you're like, ah. Well, yeah, I mean- That's a challenge. I definitely think that I'm a little bit of an extreme version because of what you just said right there. But it made me really connect to all the male clients that I've ever trained in their 40s and 50s and are struggling to get to the gym and just work out and keep that consistency going. Like for me, the blessing or the silver lining in all this is that, they'll come a time when I'm 50, I know for sure where I'm like, you know, busy. Maybe we have another company or business or things that we have on our plate. And I don't care about my physique as much as I used to, and that was a major motivator for me through my young adulthood. So, you know, I could totally see that they'll come a time where, you know, I potentially could be off the wagon or not being consistent for a while. And this will serve as an incredible lesson and reminder for myself as I age that nothing has made me feel better. And it was very, very hard to get this momentum going. I mean, I'm really only on about two weeks and I'm finally like feeling- And I feel it- You look different. Oh, I feel, I know- Your energy is different. I can feel it in my energy. I can feel it in the way I communicate and I talk to people, my motivation throughout the day. And so I can feel, you know, and I know I trailed off for you, Tony, on like what am I exactly doing? But the honest to God truth is, I don't fucking know. You know what I'm saying? Like every day I go into it, I'm trying to lose my body. Now, there are certain things that I do know. One thing is that I'm trying not to overdo it. That's a big mistake that I think a lot of people make. I've made it in the past with an injury. So I'm weighing on the less is more right now. It doesn't take much to get your body to change. No, that's the thing. Like this is the thing that I love most about getting older. This is actually why I embrace getting older, no joke. Like I look forward to turning 40. I look forward to turning 50. Cause the wisdom that comes with it and the wisdom really is just experience and learning from experience. There's definitely older people that aren't wise because they don't choose, they choose not to learn from experience. But if you pay attention and you go through, you're gonna go through challenges cause that's how life is. There's gonna be a bunch of shit that's gonna challenge you and you learn from it. You become wiser and wiser to the point now where I know this is what I find very interesting. Now when I'm in a tough situation, when I'm in a very challenging situation as hard as it is, I know at the end of it I'm gonna be better. So now when I have a challenging situation, part of me is like, ah, this is terrible. But there's another part of me that's like, I can't wait to see what the other side is that this is gonna look like cause I know I'm gonna kind of out of it and learn from it. So it's knowing that cycle and that sequence. So that's the thing about it, you know? No, when I was going through this and sharing with a buddy and he's like, man, it's so crazy your attitude with this that you're not like poor me or you're not, you know. Oh, if this was 19 year old you or 20 year old you maybe. And what I've told him is just along the lines of what you're saying right now is what I've had enough of adversity in my life growing up that, you know, what I started to realize after you'd done it enough times is, wow, the shittier it is and the more challenging it is, you know, as hard as this is to say and think about the fucking better it becomes. Like on the other side of that fear and other side of this hardship or whatever it is I'm going through, the harder it is, the more rewarding it is on the other side. Something always emerges that you didn't expect that's even more, you know, powerful and something that you didn't like even foresee this. So the shittier it get, I mean, and that's my takeaway with it. And when I try and try and remind people and I know it's mentally tough to do that, but man, if the darker it is, the harder it is, the lighter it becomes, the better it is on the other side when you break through. It's the phoenix. You guys ever see a picture of phoenix? You hear the story of the phoenix, the bird that gets consumed by flames and then emerges. I actually sent that to my sister when she was going through a divorce and now she's going to get a phoenix tattoo. So my parents are mad at me. But anyway. Now you've done it. Next question is from Tristan Antichol. What's the weirdest thing you've ever seen someone do in a gym? Oh, shit. God, weirdest. Did you guys see someone? Did you guys get tagged on this? Someone tagged me. They took a clip. Maybe it was a DM we got of the guy spreading his cheeks and fucking drying his ass crack. Yeah. In the hand dryer? Yes. Because we talked about that a long time ago. You know what's funny is I would like to say that's weird, but I see it so often. No, no, that's not the weirdest. So often. That is literally. But like his ass cheeks? Dude, you've never seen that? Yeah, I have. I mean, it's just like, I can't believe that that. I have seen that. Well, I have two that come to mind that are for sure. Definitely the ball drying. Yeah, that happens all the time. That's always. I mean, literally every single time I go in the locker room, there was a dude drying his jaw crack. That's weird, but it's so common that it's not that weird for us, right? If I walked in and I saw a guy do that, I just kind of shake my head. But I'd be like, oh, it's Tuesday. I had a couple of things that happened that where I was like, pulled by because I was like, no one's done this. This is weird, right? And the first one that I'll share was this, I don't know, she was probably between three and three and 400 pound heavy set lady, right? And she had her headphones on and she was in our machine area and she was just fucking dancing. I mean, like between sets and she was just flailing her arms around and like singing out loud and just, which that's not that weird. We've seen that, but this has now caught the attention of all management, right? So we're watching her and she just looks a little too much into the music like she's out of it. Like she's just not really paying attention to anyone who's near because she's kind of flailing her arms. And I see some people kind of duck out of the way. They almost get hit and shit. I'm like, so we're kind of keeping a close eye on her. And then she starts using all the equipment, just like not how it was supposed to be like just weird, like sitting in machines all backwards and different and upside down and the final straw for us where I had to come over and finally tell her you can't do that. So remember this girl's fucking 300, 400 pounds, right? There is a chest press machine that is facing the mirror. So you can see yourself chest pressing and it's only about three feet, four feet away from the mirror and she props her hands up on the chest press, but she's facing it reverse and she starts walking her feet up the mirror. So she's using the machine to leverage with her arms and she's walking, she's back walking her feet up against my mirror. And I'm thinking like, this kid be fucking good right here. When is it ever a good idea to walk on a mirror? Right, so I go over and I tell her, I said, ma'am, could you please not put your feet up on the mirror? You'll say the first time I ever said that. So that was weird, right? But it gets weirder. So I kind of tell her that she was polite and everything but I could tell she was fucking on one. She was on something and she was kind of out of it. So I walk away kind of like leave her alone but we're keeping a close eye on her. She's not hurting anybody yet. She's not breaking anything yet. And then she makes her way into the wet area. Now I can't really see her so I gotta kind of follow over there, go see what's going on. And she gets into the fucking jacuzzi, just starts taking off her clothes, just getting fucking naked in the- Totally naked. Look dude, she's stripping. By the time I see her she's down to her sports bra and panties and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you can't do that. And she's like, ah, she's just ignoring me. Like she's looking through me. And so I get the other management together. I'm like, I don't know if I could physically take this woman out, like carry her out of the gym right now and she's in the jacuzzi right now getting naked. Like I don't know what the fuck can do. So we're like, I don't know. So we call, we call, I don't remember who we call first but eventually it leads to the fire department coming down because we're like, we're pretty sure she's on drugs. Like she doesn't look sober. And so the fire department rolls up, the whole squad comes out and there's imagine like four firefighters standing outside the jacuzzi and she's still in it. She won't, she refuses to get out of it, you know? And she's just in a sports program. We're gonna give the jaws of life. And panties and the guys are like, ma'am, could you please step out? And every time they tell her to step out and they kind of reach, like they're trying to reach for her at that, she dunks out of the water. She dunks out of the water and she like holds her breath for a few seconds and she comes back up and she opens up. The guys are like, come on, ma'am, you gotta get out of the water again. And so they're kind of playing this game until finally when the guys like, dude, we gotta get this lady out of here. They finally get it that there's something wrong with her. So two guys get in the pool and like escort her out and then they lay her down, they strap her down into a fucking, what you call it, you know? Yeah, gurney or whatever and roll her out of there and stuff. But yeah. What was she on, did they know? Some sort of methamphetamine. I don't know what it was. Good times. I mean, they saw her eyes, her behavior and stuff like that. And I was like, she was like, yeah, yeah, for some sort of a methamphetamine, we'll finally get there, but that's pretty well. I had to figure out how to kick somebody because we, you know, when you manage a gym, you call the cops or the fire department, I don't know, twice a month, probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pretty real. Yeah, all the time, right? But I had a guy, so somebody came to me, I met this at the Sunnyvale Club. So I don't, I know they remodeled it, but the way it used to be, maybe it's different now, but when you walk in, there's a front desk to the right and then straight ahead, there's glass and then there's the pool area and you can actually go through there or you can go through the locker room. So I'm at the front desk and someone in their bathing suit walks through the door through the pool area and they're like, there's a guy in the sauna and he's threatening people. So I'm like, oh, fuck. So I'm like, all right, so I gotta go in there. So I walk over and I'm walking over to the sauna and you can see through the glass, right? Cause it's got a glass door and there's this big fucker in there, old biker dude looking, right? He's got tattoos, big old beard and he's in there by himself and he's just staring at me through the glass and as I'm walking towards him, he pulls his shorts down and just starts taking a piss. No joke, straight into like the glass. Yeah, so I'm like... Like full frontal view on you? He just pulled it down enough to let out, but he's doing it at me. No, no, he sees me, he's there. Almost like, come get me motherfucker. So he just kind of pulls it out and just, I'm like, and so I look at him like, what the fuck? He's marking his territory, man. Yeah, I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? And so I'm thinking in my head like, what do I do? So I let him finish and then I open the door. I'm like, you need to leave now. And so he comes out and he's like, I'll kick your ass, I'll fight you. So I'm thinking in my head like, I gotta fight a big sweaty biker near the pool on the tile, like someone's gonna slip and I don't wanna... This is gonna go well. So I'm in my head, I'm trying to think. Yeah, I'm trying to think like, do I go call my trainers to come help me? Do I call the cops? Like, what do I do? There's others members watching. So I have this like brilliant plan. So he's like, I'll fucking fight you right now. I said, you think you're tough? I said, come on me outside. We'll fucking fight outside. Let's see who's really tough. He's like, yeah, yeah. I'm like, all right, follow me. So I walk out the pool area and then I walk up to the front door that leads the outside and I open the door. You lock it. I open the door for him and I go after you. So he walks outside, I close it and I lock it. I wave at him and I call the police. Yeah. See you later. Epic way to handle. He was so angry. Epic way to handle that. Oh, he's like standing out there in his bathing suit all wet and shit. You have your moments of brilliance. That's one of them for sure. That was one of my favorites. I had a guy one time that was, this was his Persian cap and an older dude, probably in his fifties or so, and he's in the jacuzzi. So this is the same jacuzzi that the chick is trying to drown herself in or whatever. And he's in there by himself and I get a complaint, right? So that's normally how it happens to the gym. Somebody else, like somebody else in the gym realizes how fucking weird it is and they come looking for management, right? So I got somebody comes to me like, yeah, could you come talk to this guy? He's shaving in the jacuzzi. I was gonna say, not to be stereotypical, but with their hair involved. Dude, yes. And of course it's the Persian guy who's got lots of hair, right? So I come walking in and this dude's got a fucking Mach three and he is just shaving his face and rinsing it off in the jacuzzi while he's sitting in the jacuzzi. And I'm like, part of me just watched him for a while because I just really thought that I gotta see this dude just thinks this is totally normal. This is his house. Walk over and say, hey dude, you can't do that. You can't just shave in the pool like that. Where do you think it goes? You know what I love is these people always do this. Well, where does it say I can't do that? I'm like, oh, great. I gotta play this game with you. I gotta go get the contract out that you signed that has a million things in the back. Like, don't make me do that. Oh my God, I had a thing with that. I didn't know if we had a dress code or not, but I just knew that this dude was making everybody uncomfortable with his decision with this really small Speedo. Oh, I remember this guy. Yeah, and so he was like, I don't know if he just came out of the pool if he just was wearing a Speedo. You can see the shirt. You can see the veins. You can see just shaft and like, I mean, it wasn't impressive or nothing. It was just like, it totally molded his twig and berries. And it was like, he would do curls right next to the mirror. And so he's doing curls. As he's doing the curls, what made it uncomfortable was he had this sort of compensation where he's hip thrust, right towards the mirror. And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I was just like, finally I had enough. And I'm just like, dude, I'm sorry, man, but you got to put some shorts on, like legit shorts. And these curls, these are not gonna work. Yeah. And I was like, this is just not like, you can't wear this. And he's just like, whoa, what is like, I'm wearing, you know, I'm wearing this to work out. Like, this is what I would, what I do. I'm like, well, you need to wear shorts. You need something to cover up like this situation right here. I was like, it's very revealing. Go put some clothes on. You got so mad and he was like, trying to fight me about it. If someone's listening, if you're listening and you are a trainer who works in a big box gym, here's something for you to do that I wish I would have done. If you're there and you're starting or you've been there for a while, start to journal this stuff because I have forgotten more than I've ever experienced because, and I can sit here and tell these stories all day long of people doing some weird and just wacky fucking shit. Like those were just the first two that popped in my mind because I think I've shared those before on here a long, long time ago. But I mean, I've seen dudes do weird stuff. I mean, seeing guys, people that are just sweaty, like they know they're sweaty. So they prevented it if you put towels like this border around, you know, the treadmill. And I just remember watching this guy run and literally like, it was like showers of sweat would just come off this guy. Is this the guy that puts the towels on the sides? Yeah. No, it's that guy. Everybody saw him. Yeah. He'd go crazy on the Sarah master or whatever. Ew, can you do something else, you know? Like this is just unsanitary, bro. Like, come on, guy. Just smells. Yeah. Smell real bad. He smelled real bad, you know? I know that guy. Did you guys ever see Beast? Yes, Beast was always there. Like loading the fucking leg press like with every weight in the gym. Yeah, who gives a shit and he just, ah, peacocking everyone. They call him Beast because he wears a weight belt. This is an old fat guy, by the way, wears a weight belt that says Beast on the back. He would do every machine, the full stack, and he would move it a quarter of an inch. That's it. So whenever he would walk in the gym, because I was notorious for getting on. He thought he was a badass, too. He was, yeah. Whenever he'd walk in the gym, I was notorious for getting on the intercom and I'd be real low under my voice. Just so my staff could hear, I'd go, Beast. I love the intercom, so the music would stop. Beast, yeah. Beast is here. Beast is at it again. Next question is from Thayer2513. What is the greatest life lesson each of you have taken from each other? Wow, that's a powerful statement. Life lesson? The greatest life lesson. I can tell you right away that. Doing some life. No doubt, I will actually probably even go back and listen to some because I know that there's a lot that I have probably forgotten, but the advice and the information I think that, and this is why I always try and push you guys in this direction about parenting, both Sal and Justin here. Sal more here and then I'll give something for Justin that I always try and remind myself. So both of them have their unique as far as the information they've provided as far as parenting and being a father. Sal is really unpacked some critical conversations, I think that you will have with a son or a daughter at one point in your life that I think are tantamount to how you handle it. I think it's so important how you convey certain messages when it comes to nutrition and working hard and playing sports and bullying. There's all these things that these kids are inundated with at that point in their life and I feel like so many parents kind of just glaze over it or they don't know. They don't know how to say it or they think they're handling it right and they don't really realize what they're starting to do to that kid by saying some of these things. They don't realize they're putting their insecurities and their fucking issues now on this child at five, six, seven years old. And so there's been a lot of things that Sal has shared on this podcast that has made me stop and think like, wow, man, I'm so glad I'm not a parent yet because that hadn't really crossed my mind and I'm not sure what I would have said in that scenario but I feel now that I have tools that I didn't have before that I think are extremely valuable and I hope that people that listen to this that take from it and it's why I always push the guys in that direction. Now that's kind of Sal, that's been a huge takeaway for me. There's, granted, all these guys are fucking brilliant in many ways and so there's lots of life lessons and business lessons and communication lessons that we've probably all given to each other outside of even what you guys have heard on the podcast so every day is growth I think for all of us in a sense but that has been a big one with Sal for me that I've taken a lot, not just one or two things, there's been a lot of things where I've went, wow, that's fucking really, really solid information. And then with Justin, something that I still have to remind myself and he's such a good reminder for this is I pride myself on being somebody, one, you can't put me in a box, two, tell me I can't do it, it's challenging, I'm gonna fucking do it, I put myself in uncomfortable situations but to think that we've built this huge podcast with Justin doing something that he absolutely, if you were to have asked him on his own five years ago, would you like to do this? He'd be like, fuck no, I don't want anything to do with that, like I don't wanna be on a YouTube channel, I don't wanna be on a podcast. So the fact that he does this day in and day out with us to me like that is such a great lesson for myself when I think oh I'm doing something that made me uncomfortable for a day, or for an hour, or something that I don't really wanna do, it's like dude, my boy comes to work every day and lives a life of something that he probably would have never done, had he not put him something. Now maybe it's different now for him but for me, that has been a constant lesson and reminder for me that I've taken from him. So those are the first two that come to mind for both of them. Yeah, I'll go dude, yes, no. I think for me, just from you guys, I mean I picked up quite a bit, like I think obviously the communication piece and just like Adam was mentioning me, just being uncomfortable with the whole process of it and really just kind of modeling a lot about how you guys communicate and articulate your points and throw it out there and being confident behind it. And I think that just starting with Sal, I think one of the biggest things that I've tried really hard to emulate into sort of shadow is just the delivery and the assertiveness behind some of his opinions and thought process. Just because I'm sort of the opposite in that I like to really critically analyze and I overanalyze a lot of times what I'm trying to convey and so a lot of times when you go to communicate that and verbalize it, you just get stuck and you get frozen and you start really like living in your head and while everybody else is kind of waiting on the other end of it for you to deliver it and it just becomes awkward and kind of clunky and so that's always been something that I've kind of noticed I do. And it's nice having both of you guys are really good at this but just having that delivery and just the way that I can every day I can come in and sharpen up my skills just by being right next to you guys and being approximately next to you. So and then as far as Adam is concerned, the same thing as far as communication but really more so in how he deals with follow ups and how he really like he just does such a masterful job at always keeping contact with people and keeping people close to us and really letting them know that they're important and that's something that I recognize that really early and that's something that drew me to Adam and to do business with him because there's part of that retention where it's cool that if you're in front of me we have great rapport and I'm good about scheduling it and being forward but to kind of go back and touch people that I used to communicate with is something that I'm terrible at and Adam just has that mind where he'll go back and make sure that a lot of people they hear from him and from us as a company and a group so I think those two things are big. Yeah, for me I think Justin just doesn't complain ever. He never complains about anything. That doesn't mean he doesn't like something. He tends to do something about whatever he doesn't like and not that I felt like I was a big complainer before but I definitely feel like I could get stuck in a space and feel maybe negative about something whereas Justin tends to just act. He moves forward and so I've never worked with anybody who literally doesn't, who takes that on so easily or at least so readily as Justin does so I really appreciate watching that especially because when we first started the show I was going through some very, very difficult times and Justin's had lots of challenges. Well, he doesn't even talk a lot about his challenges and it's not, part of it is yeah, you're not a big sharer of things but the other part of it is you just don't complain about shit. I think you tend to have a different mentality about challenges in life and stuff like that and so it's really cool to watch because when you're around that, that's a form of confidence, it's very quiet and calm, it's actually probably the most genuine form of confidence because it's not cocky, it doesn't come out boastful, it's very just action, it's just, you just move. It's really cool to see that. Adam is very, very growth oriented, so growth oriented that he'll put himself in situations that are extremely challenging for him and he just puts himself there and then decides he's gonna embark on this journey, whatever that may be, whether it be a journey of mobility or a journey of changing his nutrition or going off the hormones, whatever it may be, he tends to go for it and it sucks and you can see that it sucks for him so it's not like he's doing it and it's easy but it's cool to watch somebody else do that because it makes you feel more, I guess more confident in doing that for yourself and I'm gonna throw Doug in here. When I first started training Doug years ago, I saw Doug, I first met Brianna, maybe, that's his daughter, maybe a year after I think I was training him and I'd never seen a person as apparent as well as Doug does, like the guy just, he communicates so well on the level of patience that he demonstrates with his kid is just insane, I try to be a good parent too but I can definitely lose my temper, I can definitely be short and so I remember early on, watching Doug parent his daughter in a way that was just super patient, super calm, like intelligent, loving and I was like, well this guy's like, I gotta learn to be more like that because I tend to lose my temper a little bit too often and I still watch him, I still watch him as a dad and I still blown away, like this guy never- Well I think it's important to note too how he took Brianna on too, because that was one of the things that blew me away when I just assumed that like, that's like came from him, right, that this child was his child that he had to treat her that way. No, I don't know if you mind me sharing that, no it's not his daughter, he was dating someone who was pregnant and they had the baby and Doug fell in love with the kid and broke up with the mom, so he's not even with her. Now most men, most people would be like, I'm out of here, like I'm not gonna, this is not my kid, I don't need to take care of the situation. Shit, a lot of dads do that when they are the parent or when they've been around their kid for years. You know, Doug fell in love with the kid and was like, man I love this kid, I'd like to stick around if that's okay and because he's a total value add and let me tell you, your ex really won out, I'm not that she's a terrible person, I don't know her, but to find someone like you who's willing to step in, I mean just incredible, so watching Doug, parent like that was awesome for me to watch and I try to do that, I find myself doing that, I'll see someone do something and then they become my mentor without even realizing, I just observe and watch and so that's what's been cool about doing this with you guys and then of course with the guests that we have, we have guests that come on the show that in one way or another are pretty remarkable, so when I get to spend two hours with them, like they don't even know it, but I'm like, it's just- Oh yeah, we're taking it, we're taking it from them. Exactly, I'm like, what can I take from this person to learn? Because if you do that with life, I tell you what man, it's pretty amazing, you find out, I mean you gotta have a little bit of humility to admit that you can learn from someone else, first of all, so if you think you're awesome and you know everything, well then forget it, it's not gonna happen. You're not getting anywhere. No, but if you meet someone and you admit to yourself like that person is a better parent than me in this particular aspect or that person, they seem to be calm under pressure, better than I am in that situation or that person can handle challenges in adversity more readily than I do, especially in those situations. So when you observe that, then say, okay, cool, how can I learn from this person? And when you do that, it's pretty fucking awesome, so. I would go as far to say that this group of guys is the most confident, humble men that I've ever worked with, and actually, you could even throw some of our, outside of this, the four of us in our team are some of the most confident yet humble people I've ever been around. And it's rare to get that mix, right? So confident that you know what you can accomplish by yourself, but then humble enough to work as a team with others and let others lead at certain times. You're just really rare, really, really rare to find that. And I've worked with a lot of great- It's also challenging. I'll tell you something right now. People might think like, oh, cool, I'm gonna work with a bunch of growth-minded, actually, it's the hardest because it challenges- You push each other. Because if you don't grow, you're left in the dust. You know what I'm saying? You're the weak link and nobody wants to be the weak link. No, so you're like, fuck, okay, well, I guess I better up my game. And it's not just about work, it's about everything, right? How you behave, how you, the things you learn, the things you try to bring to the show or whatever. So it's fun, it's challenging, it's fun. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world, that's for sure, right? Next question is, my life is Adams. Oh, okay. Oh, wow. Is that right? Since you guys advocate such a holistic approach towards fitness and diet, what are your thoughts on natural healing? Do you believe in these conspiracies about natural ways cancer or other deadly diseases are healed? So before Sal gets all science, maybe he can, and maybe he can speak to what I'm gonna talk about. I had this, I've had this different view about taking care of the body ever since I got into marijuana. And I'll explain that. When I first got into growing, I didn't fucking know anything. I don't have a green thumb on it. So what do I do? I go to the local bookstore and I just start reading, you know, try and figure this all out. And quickly I was drawn to it because there were so many things that have parallels to the body as far as like the three major macro nutrients for the body to grow and strengthen or similar to like what the plant has. And so I became very fascinated with this and started to go deeper and deeper. And I became what you would call like a master grower. Like it was really good at what I did for as short of a time that I was doing it. But one of the things that fascinated me the most that I learned about the plant that made me kind of go back to the body and go like, oh, I wonder if our bodies are a lot like this. And that was, you know, those that are familiar with, you know, growing anything, you know, you worry about things like spider mites, over giving too much nutrients, not giving enough nutrients. They can get mold too, right? Mold is very, powder mold is very popular. You have all these different things that can be attacked by caterpillars to attack the plant. All these things can't mites can attack the plant. And obviously if you're growing something and trying to produce something good that tastes good or that whatever produces well or top notch, like it being attacked by pest is not ideal. And so you spray all this stuff on it. We've got chemical sprays to kill this and chemical sprays this, but if you're trying to grow something organically, you don't want to use these things. So you have to become creative and figure this out. Well, something that I remember reading and putting together was that your plant will never be attacked by any of these things if it's truly in homeostasis. So if I can maintain the perfect temperature, the perfect humidity, the perfect amount of nutrients, the perfect amount of water for this plant, it will be resilient to all other disease and pest. And so natural defenses. Right. And so I remember that kind of this light bulb going off when I was learning that about the plants and thinking like, I bet our bodies are not that much different. I bet if we would learn to just keep it in its optimal place as far as like feeding it nutritionally and taking care of it rest wise and strength and all these other things that build this resilient body. If I was optimizing all that, I wonder if my body would be attacked by these diseases that we can't figure out. So that's just a wild thought that I personally... It's not wild, that's 100% true, man. Look it, your body is invaded by viruses and bacteria every single day. You have cancer cells present in your body right now. Okay? Everybody does. But your immune system and your body clamp down or those cancer cells kill themselves because your body's working the way it should. Right, you filter yourself out. Your immune system kills bacteria or it kills those, you know, the healthy body is actually pretty amazing. It's actually a freaking miracle that we're sitting here talking right now and we're not already dead. So it's pretty amazing. As far as spontaneous healing is concerned or natural healing, that is a documented fact. There are many cases you could look it up where, and they call it spontaneous healing because we don't know what the cause is. But people will go in with a cancer that's like, oh, it looks like your terminal, breast cancer spread everywhere. And for whatever reason, it goes away. It just goes away. They call it spontaneous healing because we don't know what's causing it, but something caused it to happen and then something caused it to go away. Now, do I think you can will your body to grow back a leg? Probably not, but then again, I don't think there's anybody's ever been able to really harness their body's systems willingly ever where they fully have control. Now, there are examples of like monks who they'll go and meditate naked in the snow for hours, not freeze to death. There's, you know, Wim Hof who's done ridiculous feats with his body. You can do quite a bit with your body when you, if you know how to work with it and manipulate it. So what are my thoughts on natural healing? I think personally, I definitely think there's, it's probably, it's the most powerful thing that you can harness, but it's also the most difficult thing to harness. Yeah, I think that we're just now kind of visiting a lot of ancient practices that, you know, they had a lot of effort in the direction of like your Wim Hofs and people that were trying to tap into the natural process of- You mean we're starting to accept it. I mean, it's been around forever. We're finally starting to- I mean, incorporate it with like Western thinking. So I think that, yeah, the word conspiracy, I mean, it all depends on like how they're presenting it, you know, as far as like, oh, if they're just doing coffee animals to cure cancer, well, you know, that's something else. Related back to the plants again, right? So I remember dialing my nutrients, dialing in the room temperature, having everything all perfect, right? So my plant shouldn't be attacked. And then all of a sudden I'd run the cycle through and fuck, I get mulled, you know? And then I start diving into like where was my humidity and what was happening? I'm like, oh shit, you know, it was during the nights I was allowing it to drop too much. And so I make that one adjustment. And then the very next cycle of plants, same genetic, same everything they've been passed on, no problems whatsoever. Was that miraculous? You know, was it something? No, it was like, it was something that my body or my plants needed or that I was abusing or overdoing or whatever. And that one little adjustment all of a sudden made this miraculous change to have. The problem is it's so complicated with humans because it's not just about, like with a plant you have these controllables, right? That you can do with the human, you have all these controllables as well, but there's one controllable that feels very in control. And that's the, how you think, that's your mental state. You're like what you're thinking. So there's all these controllable factors like perfect diet, perfect activity, sun exposure, sleep, like stress management, happiness with life, like- Exposure and environmentally. Like those things you can control and those alone are very difficult. Like how many people are perfect in just their nutrition, right? Those alone are very difficult. But then you throw on top of it your mental state, how you're thinking, how you're feeling about things. I mean, entire religions are created around mastering just that and people devote their entire lives to master just that. And many, if not most, ever achieve it. I think the greatest people of all time are probably the people we read about in history books and religions who do these miraculous things. Perhaps they were able to harness these types of things, but is it easy? Absolutely, not even close. Like if you have an infection, go get antibiotics. Don't sit there and think, I'm gonna will myself to heal because the difficulty of being able to do that is so high, you're probably not gonna fucking succeed and you're probably gonna succumb to your infection. So that's the important thing to know, but I know, I tell you what, look, the placebo effect is accounted for in every single study because it's fucking real. It's real. Why do they have to account for a placebo effect in actual trials with drugs? Because the belief that something is working actually many times causes a positive effect and causes it to work. That's how powerful your thought process and your mind is. Whether you think you can or can't, you're probably right. That's it. So here's the thing, like what does this mean? Well, you know the physical, you know the nutritional stuff you need to do, you know about sleep and that kind of stuff, but how much time do you spend on your state of mind? Like that right there is I think the big missing piece in a lot of people's arsenal, especially in fitness. In fitness, we focus so heavily and this is why I think there's so many eating disorders and so many issues, mental issues in people in fitness because they focus on the fitness side of it but they forget the mindfulness or they forget the mental aspect or the spiritual aspect or whatever. I mean for thousands of years people, a spiritual practice was a part of a person's life and it was a part of a person's health and we've thrown that part away but that's also very important. Like taking time aside to focus on that aspect of you can have far reaching effects on your health and look, science supports it. People who have those kind of practices tend to live longer and tend to be healthier. So no, I don't deny at all that our bodies have incredible capability to heal disease and illness and even injury, but I think we are completely infantile and our understanding of those kind of things. Oh, there's just so many, like you brought up, I mean I was using the plant as a comparison and I know it's somewhat, it's a terrible comparison because the body is so much more complex. There's so many more switches, there's so many variables. So that's the part where when you talk about natural healing, well, I don't think that, and the person's talking about cancer, so let's say we talk about a type of a disease, we have a specific disease that this person, well this person got healed because they all of a sudden started eating orange peels. But does that mean like eating orange peels for everybody all of a sudden is gonna be like, no, it's like maybe there was something missing in that person's life or diet or like you said, their mind that changed their attitude to be positive that did that. So what I don't like is attaching some of these holistic natural ways to fight cancer and that into umbrella and under is like, oh, this will help people, all people that have cancer. Well, maybe it may help that person. It's really about figuring out what missing piece are you missing in trying to address that. Exactly. Hey, check it out. Go to our podcast app, leave us a review. You could win a t-shirt. 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