 Kwa kwa bati meyambi wa vizori. Sfhti kwa bati miwisleksu sa nikuwe hoka. And we were just talking about Sufuriya's. Na ushais ke oke luza, Daria me to be as Furiya. Jai! Outside forces are talking from outside. That's what I've found on Facebook. What's my future? And on Twitter. Hashtag is white inter mone. Please surround yourself with people who make you happy. Thank you. Ya, Karibunisame Doval or at Kallamee Vans. That time for our conversation. Have you even gone to our social media pages? Aki nani su mende tu wa 25 on Facebook, wa 25 on Twitter. We have a question. And we are trying to figure out what is happening in this here. 2, 5, 4. Hashtag is white inter mone. But let the panelists entwadoos themselves first. Good morning. Good morning. How are you guys? Kana machi machi. Did you have a conversation? I think that matching is more to this direction. Really? Which direction? Okay, maybe. Look at him. Look at him. We have not even just introduced himself. Okay. Yes. I'm Daniel Ogiambo. AKA Otis. I had to put that somewhere. My social media handles. Dan Othis on Instagram. And Daniel Otis Othis on Facebook. So far, he's a punjusiko. Yes. All right. Karibusana. Tukwitenani. Danama Othis. Otis, Otis. Ah, Otis. Otaki Otis. Yani kina mama Otis. Any relation to Flaco? No. No. Not at all. Anyway. Tumenda is wrong side. I am Berlin. Welcome back. Please introduce yourself. Thank you. My name is Milena Blede. I think she will not master them for life. Yeah. And you're getting younger every time I see you. And we're about to finish 20. What is the secret, please? It is a weakness. I don't really know how to take care of it. It is not transferable. I like that she's claimed that blessing. It is what it is. Amen. It is what it is. So guys, we're talking about what's been going on in a nutshell. Let me rephrase this. Ever since the COVID-19 pandemic took over, a lot has gone south. A lot has gone upside down. I'm sure there have been some silver linings for some people, I guess selling sanitizer, whatever, or something. But generally it's been a bit of a mess. We've had so many people lose their jobs. We've had, that means breadwinners are not taking food home or any other resources. That means schools were also closed so no one is going to school until the recent past. I want to put all these things into factor before we start trying to internalize why we have underage children drinking random places or drinking with people who are a lot older than they are and engaging in things that are considered I don't even have a proper diplomatic word for it but not so good. What do you think is going on? What can I start with you? One thing that I think we must agree on that there is a problem. Where the problem is coming from maybe that's what we should be discussing and the factors contributing towards it. Since the period of this COVID-19 a lot of things are happening and most of the time there are no good news, especially to our children. One thing that we must accept that there is a problem. Once we accept there is a problem then we may be able to solve it. Yes and while talking about the problem I would like us to put COVID-19 out of the picture first. Why? Because this is not something that started in February this year. The teenagers or whichever age bracket we are looking at here being arrested and all that. It's something that has been there for quite a long time and being that COVID-19 came around and messed up a lot of things doesn't have to make it be the main reason why these things are happening. Remember COVID-19 has been there yes and other people have been still responsible even amidst all that. So I would like, yes it's a factor but not the main factor. So in my opinion yes there is a problem but the problem could go deeper than we think. So do we say that COVID-19 is maybe it is good news to us because it has now exposed something that has been undergoing for some time. So as much as it's also killing people and also causing some things but to some extent it has also made us to understand ourselves better. These are things that have been happening. Ya I think so because if there is a time during those first times when COVID-19 was the thing and everyone was afraid of everything even in fact making a step out of your house was such a big deal because you would be like the next time Kavo is speaking he's announcing 30 more people and you're like what it's just outside the door. You know those times there's someone who came when the schools were close and all there's someone who came out and spoke about what had two kids very young like I think one was 12 and the other one was around 15 who were doing a boy and a girl in the house. So I was like in as much as this thing is kind of not a good thing it's exposing what the loopholes in the society in as much as values and cultural differences are concerned because now you see if someone failed somewhere during their parenting period or rather when you are smiling and you are saying mumunye hali adibiki wukubuani kama hali kutangezwa li kuwa li kuwa ndogo badu valo acha kucheka no I like the depth okay sorry I'm sorry continue yes like when if it's cultured while still at its initial growing stages it will definitely not go bad when it grows so this thing came and it kind of squeezed the the vices out of us because someone else said you never know you have something until it's squeezed out of you like when you have a cloth kama tebo klubivi na inakai me kauka okini ni even oki squeeze it tatua tumaji now your maji utadyo ebi kuwa when you do that sometimes you can even do this and don't see anything but now when you do this like na ingubu kama yangu toha na maji na toka neza jata besheni that's how you know there's another why as you can see okay you can't see it but our question is squeezy all we hear is teenagers arrested in house parties smoking and drinking ni ni ni na sumbawa to toa squeezy alright and I have a question and since since it still falls under the same age package the teenagers there under age I have just seen a video of a couple of girls from I don't know I think it's a high school but they look so young so I don't know I think it's class eight or something now on any form and it's very recent and they're about to go and strike because their teachers are forcing them to have sex in their bathrooms so if that is going on in school so what am I supposed to expect is going to happen outside okay I think a lot of exposure I remember I know my rights you know nowadays you cannot even can you own a child if you do you'll tell that she or he knows their rights and will attack pelika speedi sana so sometimes I think it is also poor parenting on whose part you're hearing they are being forcefully you know in school yeah if you got it right from the beginning it's very hard to come to raise your hand again as your teacher you need to talk bad about it but because you find your mother talking about the same teacher taking about your leaders so it is it's from home so in this case I actually think the problem is not even the kids the problem is the teachers if I am getting your analogy right I'd like to believe someone who is an adult who is over eighteen should not be soliciting sexual favors from someone who is underage and I actually think that is actually the big deal here because if that if I am constantly being harassed by Mualimu Atinimpe alafuni toke nje what do you think I am going to do go for a church camp no really I might as well just do this thing if that happens in school the message it sends is like actually this is the right thing I just don't want to do to this guy or this person so when they go outside what do they do they make it they now make it a life's mission like it's been already justified from wherever they came from so that's in some part because the teachers who are doing this we will say they also have a problem in their background or something it's either while they grow evil or rather they grew and then at some point they got exposed to some wrong things or some funny weird things or the same way people say like there are times when someone wants something and they are not thinking using their brains the only thing that is thinking is what they want so what happens what happens is that at that particular moment there is no much they can reason there is no much reason they can do so for the girls that are in school they are already being sent a message that actually this is just fine I'm your teacher I'm asking you for this so where you are you are out of kusashule and that then after that when we talk when we talk to our sponsors because now it's for them to decide if they want to do it with whatever but back in those days when such a thing happens our kids would run back to their parents and say you know mommy teacher so-and-so is doing this to me so who told them that there is also this protest where they walk along they will say akie to akie to where did they get this yeah I think we are also exposing our kids into some round teachings that's not helping them how much of this technology watching things from our internet is also opposed to this because those they would go and tell my father you know teacher so-and-so touched my and my father would go back to school and I think they would get disciplined but this is a case whereby it is the same teacher protecting their their colleagues so who told these kids that they should go on the streets it is things they are learning from our leaders from our parents when something goes wrong you don't really need to reason out what you do is yell out go and start protesting and this I think I blame our political leaders the political class I have had a couple of guests come and a lot of them have been I want to say philanthropists of some sort so they have either a charity organization or they have random drives to provide simple things like sanitary towels and all these things so we have we have had cases rise up or this was very new to me because I did not know a young girl ane za kosa pesa za sanitary towel or anything you know pro hygiene related and since maybe kwao haoana kwao haizi uleza atenda kum tumengine alafu sasa um tumu nyanenda kum uleza na mambia fanyi vi 20 bash alafu unipe alafu ndok baya vitu and that's how we have attributed to the very arasna jina the first very first rising cases of teenage pregnancy so it's I don't want to point fingers I want to see are these things in society the reason why our teenagers are going out to have fun in appropriate way yeah first of all we have to admit as time is going and as technology is coming and taking the place of other things and things are changing you know the height of moral decadence is also going taking a different is it something we can fix is there somebody as a society because it takes a village at that time I think I blame the government because instead of providing free condom why don't they provide this free whatever some territories yeah you know you have to you have to use it but condom is a choice Senja mefkiri ako so after I think we are pointing towards it's time I think the government you can't let them go this way yeah he mampu ya condom say something okay you know the government has they haven't punched to pledge you and you right from me when you come don't go I used to see these things everywhere so you just go ahead do your stuff just make sure there's this thing in the picture so they also did their part but I was looking at this from this angle you know yes times are changing and things are are taking different chances we go by so and it's sometimes it's almost next to unpredictable like who knew Gengetun would come in like a very short time and become a very very strong genre in Kenya as far as music is concerned and now when these things stepped into the mix my friend I'm telling you in as much as many people might agree with me or not it has also really it has also propagated this to a very bad extent because you know the picture you are sending the picture you are sending through the music videos and the picture you are sending through the words you are singing and saying it's all about sex and objectifying ladies and all kinds sorts of things because if you look at whatever they are singing about it's now they are receiving what they are being thrown at by the guys who are doing that who allows them to do this yes so you see the regulations the regulations are there but now the problem is the regulations may be there but at the end of the day the government does not have the muscle to come picking artists one by one and telling them if you do this we are getting new right now they have tried that they have done it Mutua has been has been victimized a lot for trying to to cut that a little bit you see but my way I'm coming at with all this is you see in as much as times are changing and all where you are brought up and how you are brought up really determines how you will badge when the time when the test for you for your time comes because for instance if your parents were moderately strict like they allowed you to access information but in a good way you see and also allow to make to do things that are beneficial to you and point you towards the right direction in a very very very sober way trust me even if these things come to you in a in a 3D or 7D form you will be able to say no army apa infatunt even be struggling to be like ah I can't I can't or whatever like it's just not part of you because what you have seen what you have learnt is totally different so that even when the government is coming in they are not coming in with new information like ah don't do this and then you are like me I grew up seeing these things happen so what is the problem with it and that's now when the government is saying we will arrest those people who are doing videos that look a certain way it's a shock to most of the young people because to them it's not kwanini maybe big deal apa like what's the problem what's the big deal because now when you grow up it's like this is just normal but for someone who's brought up in a properly cultured environment and they understand the values that are very society trust me they may not really budge so is that the problem is most of our parents nowadays especially I think I blame the male parents our fathers they share away from their responsibility and that forces our mothers also to follow them now they come up with something like what a man can do a woman can do it better so when these people live the house early in the morning as in five to beat the Nairobi jam mother is out father is out watotoa mihachua pona maid who will tell them all these things because the baba na kwanbiya I'll pay the rent you'll pay the school fees the mother has to struggle but in the beginning it was not so so the best thing to a woman how much you'd stay back at home and manage businesses family business so that she has time with the kids to tell them now what you're talking about what you're talking about is something that might have happened in let's say 30, 40 years ago excuse me hi he's actually live on air stop stressing the gentleman we have caught fun sorry total for that at white for four people white for four channel Twitter hashtag this way in the morning it's live yes and I was saying you see whatever Belin is talking about is something that could have happened very easily maybe 30, 40 years ago or 20 years ago you know I am saying this because with all this empowerment that has been coming specifically to the ladies with all this empowerment and what this kind of sort of competition quote unquote because it's not more of competition but with that kind of a thing coming showing up all through it's next impossible for any for like it's next impossible for like whatever you're saying a lady, a wife nowadays you don't have housewives actually because most of if you stay at home it's looked as it's being seen as being infiliated you say you're not allowed to work you're not allowed to do this you're not allowed to do this you're just a housewife so the translation thereof is not you're being there so that you can help the kids the translation is you are there because you are inferior to the guy so you need to to like just be there and do whatever you are meant to do whatever you are meant to do whatever you are meant to do whatever you are meant to do so if if in a household there is let's say husband and wife and child and child significantly older like 15 years old so that means when they are busy doing their dance of who has more powers in the house umungine anapata that's what you're saying yes do you agree? yeah okay alright and you did also state that it is important to understand the biology of it's nature adolescent disease nature there's a lot going your mind is forming through the hormones surging everywhere and I think I remember it's been a minute but I think I remember how it felt and being reasoned with was not easy you know because I knew what I knew and I wanted to not really fight authority but I wanted to be respected I wanted to have a voice specially when it came to deciding things about me I want to go out no why I don't want you to go out it's late and you don't know what's going to happen but I'm the one who wants to go out so why won't you let me have that and usually it ended with no yes I did not have conversations with my mom at EO sit in the corner no no no it was just no it was just yes so with that still in mind are we still going to say something about these teenagers so you already know things are going on they are not going to call their board and now they are trying to kuna kufutana flani with their caregivers so now what do we do okay I think well what I would say you know when in the process of your growth yes there are those things you get from your environment cognitive skills and there are those things that you bring you learn by yourself you see and in the process of growth there is maturity that comes in you see so to me a kid who is between 14 to 18 years that is someone that they have the ability that one is actually not a kid because at that time this is someone who knows whether through the parents or through the media or social media or wherever or the streets or the streets this is someone that knows this done causes this this not done causes this and if they still go ahead to do it whether they were told or not you see because the age at this time is the age that allows you to have an open mind but I don't think the consequences for them as tangible I feel like the desire to do outweighs the thought of ayakuna consequence like unayone 18 like in Zafanika but it's not really considered it's not if I go to this house party and I only know like 3 people and we're going to hang out in someone's house who's over 40 years old atumjuwi my parents don't know who this person is they have never been around my neighborhood by the time you give I have confidence enough to do something like that I don't think the consequences is real we're up on of Kira maybe kulewa at most I don't know what you're thinking about but you could disappear nani before we go there we have to accept that whatever you feed your mind with whether in the house through media it really prays a very big role here because even if I decide