 Welcome back. In his campaign, Manifesto Tag, Renewed Hope, the President-elect Bola Amid Tinnabu noted that Nigeria's power sector challenges cannot be solved overnight. However, he said he would consolidate President Buhari's already existing project in the sector, including the Simmons party. He also talked about plans to establish new interventions that would tackle the issues of power transmission and distribution, as well as bring power supply to undeserved areas or under several other areas around the country. Joining me right now on this discourse is the publisher of Energy Times, Coyote Acudayo. Many thanks for joining me, Coyote. Thank you so much. Good money. All right. Let's just analyze the power sector. Let's begin this way. In recent times, there has been several power grid collapses. But in the past eight years, would you say the nation has achieved significant landmarks, if any, in the power sector? Yes. Thank you so much. A lot of impact has been made by this presidential government. A lot of developments took place. A lot of progress has been made. I will tell you what I know because I'm an internalist in the industry. I mean, my reputation is basically the industry. So I meet a lot of people and I see many things being done, especially by TCN. TCN, you know, is owned by different governments and a lot of investments has been put into place by the presidential government. Yes, we have a lot of collapses because this where the collapses are coming. It's coming mainly from the private sector and the generation, the discourse, the TCN. Yes, because of the fragile system we have in terms of the power line, the transformer, all those ones have been taken care of now. I can tell you categorically now that a lot of transformer are being putted into the country, delivering to each region in the country by TCN. These processes will take time. It's so something that we just come over and we achieve what we are talking about, that means stability in the powers of life. Yes, it might be a long period of time, eight years from the time of President Muhammad Dupu Ali. Yes, some of these equipments are manufactured to the taste or to the taste or to our climate. It's not something we can order from the self. So it takes a longer time to order, to deliver and that is why we see some of these things coming to the system right now. For instance, within the last two or three months, TCN are taking the delivery of transformer equipment, power accessories that are useful for the industry. If you look at the Lagos region that you cannot know, you can see that a lot of imported equipment for power supplies are coming to the country. So I see a lot of things being done by this government. Yes, some of these equipment are out there for the initial year of the administration. Now they are coming to the country and if you take a long process to install them, connect them to the National Grid. So I can tell you within the next two years, we are likely to have a state power supply. And don't forget, we have new power stations that are coming on, like Sudero Power Plant. It's coming up before the end of this month, before the approval of this government. We have seen the AFRM power plant, which was just commissioned by the first president, which is be owned by the business mogul. So a lot of investments are coming into the system. It will not take us many years again to get to where they are having a state power supply. Then again, we could see that since privatization of this school, because the school of companies and the generation companies, a lot of investment that have gone into this school's level, they are reaping for the existing investment that have been in the system. And again, we couldn't blame all of them. Some of these schools are bigger than their management. They are too big for them to manage. And that was one of the mistakes the privatization committee made. Some of these schools should have been divided into or cut into pieces. Like for instance, if we look at the badder, the badder school, the badder school is one of the largest school companies we have in Nigeria. It covers almost eight states. Eight states. How do you expect a net product of the company in the badder to manage electricity distribution in a larger state? So in verbally, are you saying that some of these schools, Kaldi, are you saying that this power supply? All right. My question right now would be, Kaldi, are you saying that since you have mentioned that some of them are overburdened as to whether these schools, are you saying that they should further be unbundled, i.e., the badder school you have mentioned? And I can tell you that it will be done because we can continue this way. One of the reasons why we have this system collapse in adequate power supply, in inconsistent power supply in some communities, in some local areas, is because the discourse could not manage what they have. It's not only this school, it's not only the badder school. We have them like Kaldi now. They are too big for them. And it was a big mistake for those who privatized the sector. They should have divided, look at the badder again. It could have been divided into three discourse. Three discourse will have come in for the badder school. But we ask somebody to beat them. Without even knowing what they are going to come in to beat them. They are looking at the property. They are going to grant to make money immediately. Their family is not like that way. Ask them how much money they have come into the system. Within the last 10 years, they have acquired the discourse. They have made it money from the system to invest in the system. No personal money has, no personal investment has gone into it. And that's why you have this challenge in government. All over the place. And that's why we would find it difficult to have if nothing is done by this incoming government. Because there's nothing incoming government can do. But I believe that the incoming government can still do many things. Especially on the purpose of this power plan. Although it's going to be legal, it's going to go to, it's definitely going to go to court to say you want to do that. But if there is a weakness on the part of the federal government, it can be done. Okay, let's move on. I just want to get two more questions before we wrap up this session. Now, according to Tim's manifesto, or manifesto rather, his administration will ensure that all Nigerian homes and businesses that are connected to the national grid are meter connected. Now, the Bohari administration has already initiated the national mass metering program, and the meter asset provider scheme. Tinnable plans to build on this. But how can he make the most of it? Yes, the incoming government or the present government? The incoming administration. But the present government is living in about 12 days. So just how the new one has to harness on what they have on ground? Yes, it's the incoming government that we should be talking to now so that they can. Yeah, so they can build on what we have right now. Yes, not even build. Because they have to put in a lot of mistakes. Yes. Yes. A lot of mistakes. So the new coming government is the one we have to challenge. All right. In the right thing. Yeah, go ahead. Yes, we have about 50 indigenous meter manufacturers here in Nigeria. Indigenous. There are manufacturing plants. There are manufacturing meters. How many of them are they making use of? Now what they are doing now is to employ most of these, most of these, those who call themselves meter manufacturer, who brought some of these into the country. All what they do is to assemble and install. Those who are manufacturing this meter in Nigeria are part of it. Only few discourse are patronizing them. These are the who invested in meter manufacturing, brought in equipment using local individual to do, to do, to do the job. Well, unfortunately, some of these people prefer to patronize those who are bringing who are bringing meter only for them to assemble it in the country. Unfortunately, these people who are indigenous manufacturers are discouraging. And that's why you are seeing the gap. And again, that's a mistake which like, that's Nigeria electricity, that didn't allow individuals to buy directly from the meter manufacturers. You need to need to hold it in the school. Now if individual are giving the license to individual, I mean giving the opportunity to reach the meter manufacturer directly, it will ease the queuing for almost three or four months with this school getting this meter done to meet the people's houses or business premises. And that is the problem. And some of these meter manufacturers will be agitating for having these people coming to them directly, buy meter directly. All what they need to come to them by this meter. You will still need the discourse to come and install it. It's not the work of the meter manufacturer to come and install your home. So what we have to do is that once I go to meter manufacturer to buy meter, I will only get meter from with a number, with a code. Then I go to this school. This school, I bought meter from this school, come and install me. Then we now met with the code, with the number. Then they will do it. But no, it's not done. And that is one of the mistakes this current administration makes by not allowing the bidder to have access to meter directly from the local manufacturer. And what that means is that this school are making profit on something that they don't even know anything about. You know, they are now midway. This type of people access to direct purchase of this meter. The disco now and the midway, they are making money from the midway. And that is the reason why we have problem with kids. And remember they did their zero zero meter. How many people got meter under zero meter? This is one million plus. Almost 40 million people are on meter. And right now, we still have almost 5 million people are still on meter. So how many years will that go on take us? The only thing that can ease this for massive meter is what I've said. Allow meter manufacturers to access to this local manufacturer and to get that meter directly. It doesn't cost anything. All right. All right, Coyote, we might need to bring you on again. We're actually out of time because there is so much we need to talk about, even rural electrification and of course, the option of renewable energy, how this incoming administration can actually harness on that. We'll take another episode on this so we can look at all of these salient issues. Many thanks, Coyote, for joining us. Thank you so much.