 5.01 we will start the May 24th meeting of the community television of Santa Cruz Board of Directors and I guess secretary if you call the roll. Sure. Chair Launay. I am here. Director Maziarz. Here. Director Hall. Here. Director Mannheim. Director O'Driscoll. Here. Director Shaw. Here. Director Gutscher. Here. Director Granados. Director Warren. Here. Chair Launay are you there? He looks like he's really... Who's vice chair? That would be me. Alright. Give him another moment. Oh wait, he's disappeared. I can call for oral communications in our chair's absence. I will ask if there's any person who wants to address the board during oral communications. Must be directed to an item not listed on today's consent or regular agenda. Must be within the jurisdiction of the board. Is there any member of the public on this meeting? I don't see any. Alright. So we can move on to item number three consideration of late additions to the agenda. Additions and deletions to the consent and regular agendas. Are there any from the board? Looks like Director Gutscher has something. Yes, I would like to ask the chair if we could move item 10, the oral report of the executive director up to the very first item. I mean, yeah, up to, I guess it would be, I don't know how you do this, 5A, but not in the consent agenda or in the regular agenda. Acceptable with the board. Does any board member have any objections to that? All right. Well, if everybody agrees to that, then let's make item, sorry, you said it's item 10. We'll make it item 5A. I'll inform our chair if and when he returns. But not part of consent, right? It's just, okay, all right. That's on the regular agenda. Okay. It should be 5Z. 5Z. 5Z and let it be. Okay. Or 5Z, as my Canadian friend would say. So I guess we can move on to the consent agenda then. There's items four and five. Item four is to approve the board meeting minutes of April 26, 2021. And item five is to approve the finance committee recommendations to accept April 2021 financial reports. Do we have any comments from the board on the consent agenda? Yes, Director Gutter. I hate to do it, but there's a statement in the minutes that I don't understand what it means. I think it's just a typo. Let me see if I can, I didn't. It's near the end of item seven. It says Director Hall thanked Executive Director Hall and would like more time to think about before sending to Governance. So I understand, I know who Executive Director is, but even when I replaced that with Read, I didn't exactly understand that sentence. I think it says, as I have to go look, but I think it's supposed to be Director Hall thanked Executive Director Read and would like more time to think about before sending to the government's committee. Right. Committee at the end is missing. Yeah. I wasn't sure what that before sending, to think about before sending, what? The item. Talking about the speech thing, the speech item, excuse me, really hate speech. Okay. I can clarify that. I can update that to I'll go back and look at my notes. That was a big item. I always hate to bring up a change in the minutes, but that's definitely not clear. Thank you. Thank you very much, Director Gager. Did any other board members have any other comments? Director, Finance Committee Chair Hall, did you want to comment on the Finance Committee? No, things are actually working pretty well right now. We're happy to say we watch it. The committee consists of Chair Linye, Tom Mannheim, myself and Keith, that we watch it just for your information. We haven't been there. Mel Sweet who does our accounting attends. The only significant thing here was we ended up with two rent payments. So our rent payment category, I won't get it all the details went up and it'll be going down when it gets to normal. But so far we're within budget. We're doing pretty well. And there are quite a few things going on in terms of broadcasting the county meetings and the city meetings and mostly the city meetings as with closed captions. And so that was kind of the biggest topic we had last meeting. So anyhow, things are considering where we were a year ago. I could just say hooray. Fantastic. Yes, Director Gager. I'm sorry. So I think it's important to note that the PPP loan was forgiven. So it's moved from the balance sheet to the income statement. I did notice that. So those funds actually, oh, well, we already had the funds, but then the official forgiveness of the loan came through. Great. Well, that's good news. And the EIDL loan is still in process. It'll be for a while. Hopefully by this time next year. I think we said that last year. And if anybody who doesn't remember that's an SVA loan, has very little interest. And we thought we'd keep the loan in kind of a background position in case we needed it in emergencies. And so far the process has been rather amazingly slow. So hopefully nobody ever needed these things had any emergencies. That's it for me. Great. Thank you. I did also just wanted to comment on the minutes. I mean, the items on the agenda again this month to talk about the hate speech. But after the meeting, I tend to do a little review of myself. And I realized I have an unfortunate tendency after presentations to just dive into my questions. So I wanted to take the opportunity to acknowledge Becca's, our Executive Director's presentation, you know, Director O'Driscoll and I think Director Mannheim. Others did comment on it and give it praise. But I feel like I was remiss in not acknowledging the work and the attention and care that went into making that report. So I just wanted to say that I also really appreciated it. And I thought Director O'Driscoll really well summed it up. But I will echo what you said about how concise it was and yet very thorough and profound. And it looks like our chair is reconnecting. So I can hand back the gavel. While you were gone, we appointed you to... No. Let's see. He may not be with us. Yeah. Right. Welcome back, Chair Lanier. I've been acting as chair in your absence. We are on the consent agenda now. We've had some comments from our Finance Committee members. And I was just thanking Becca for her presentation from last meeting on the hate speech item. So we haven't had a motion yet on the consent agenda. So I will hand back the gavel to you if you are ready. But you're muted. You're muted, Director Lanier. Chair Lanier. Okay. Sorry. Okay. And we are resuming our meeting of the May 24th, 2012 meeting of the Board of Directors of Community Television. We had some technical difficulties. We are on a different Zoom address now. But I guess I'll have the secretary call the roll again if you don't mind. Sure. Chair Lanier. I am here. Director Maziarz. Here. Director Hall. Here. Director Manhunt. Director O'Driscoll. Here. Director Shaw. Here. Director Gudger. Here. Director Granados. Director Warren. Here. All right. Okay. Vice Chair Maziarz. I will ask your help in... I don't have the agenda in front of me. I don't have a printed copy and I'm unable to call it up just yet. If you don't mind calling those out. So we have consent agenda. You're muted. All right. I was using my space bar to unmute. But then if I go over to Acrobat, then let me just unmute myself here. The office is pretty quiet, right? Okay. Okay. So I'm unmuted. I'll try not to sneeze. So item two is oral communications. And we called that previously and there was nobody from the public who wanted to address us. Okay. Item three is consideration of late additions to the agenda. Additions and deletions to consent and regular agendas. And previously director Gudger had requested that we make item 10. The executive directors report the first item on the regular agenda after the consent agenda. So he recommended five Z. And as acting chair at the time, I had approved that. So if that's okay, nobody did concur. And then we moved on to the consent agenda items four and five to prove the board meeting minutes of April 26, 2021. And five to prove the finance committee recommendations to accept April 2021 financial reports on item four. Director Gudger had a correction to the minutes on the item about the hate speech report. It was director Hall had asked, well, director Hall was listed twice instead of executive director Reed. And about asking to come back to the board before sending it to the governance committee. And our secretary had agreed to make those changes, acknowledge the error. Our finance committee chair had given us a brief rundown on the finances that we're doing pretty well. Director Gudger mentioned that of note on the financial statements is that our PPP loan was forgiven. And so those funds are now moved to the balance sheet as income. Is that correct? Director Gudger. From the balance sheet to the income. Okay. Thank you for clarifying that. And then I won't repeat my whole, but I just had wanted to comment on that, the hate speech report that, you know, I wanted to acknowledge director Reed's report and how thorough and yet concise it was as director Jiskl had mentioned at the time and apologize for diving straight into my questions without acknowledging the effort and time and care that went into making that report. And I think that catches us up. We didn't have any, we hadn't had any action yet on the consent agenda. Okay. And I'm back up. Thank you. Thank you for that recap. Sure. I've got it. Okay. So no action on the consent agenda yet. We've gone through it. Do I entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda? I'll move approval with the minutes amended as mentioned. Okay. Second. Do we have a second? Second. We have a move to approve. Director Gudger moved to approve the minutes with the corrections as noted. And was that director Shaw? Driskl. Oh, Driskl. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. Aye. Moved and approved. We'll now move to the regular agenda and we have moved up the executive director's report. And so Becca, I will turn it over to you. Okay. Thanks very much. This is my report for April. And in the category of finance, our 21-22 budget and work plan was approved by the board of supervisors. And we are being considered for the California relief grant in round six. We're eligible for $15,000. We keep getting pushed around. And I believe it is because we got the PPP. So I think they've just put us on the end. And we might never get it. But we are eligible still. So I keep filling out the forms. The EIDL, as Joe mentioned, our status is funding. And we have provided recently the final banking information they need to actually send us the money. And right after we did that, I got a message from our SBA person who's, I guess, I don't know what they're calling him. He's our account executive for a better note, for lack of a better term, that she had been transferred somewhere else. So we don't know. She said she would try to keep up with our file until it was finished. But you might haven't heard anything from her or the SBA since I tried calling and there's just a busy signal. You never get a person. But we won't give up. We've provided them every single bit of information that they've asked for three times. And I expect they will finally fund us at some point. In the co-working center, our breakeven number, as you know, is $8,333.33. And in April, we earned $8,655, just a little more than we needed. We are about 15.5% ahead of our budget at the end of April. So that's good. We're ahead. And tours are picking up now. We got two new members this week. So I think by when June 14th rolls around, we'll probably get a lot more people in. We have a lot more activity and things are picking up. So we think things are only going to get better. Under paid services, we did 20 government meetings in April and eight webinars. And that will probably pick up as budget approaches. There'll be a lot of meetings in June and then nothing in July. But there'll be plenty in June. And under facilities and equipment, the roof has been repaired. We talked to the security company about a plan for cameras. And since this is my April report, that happened in April and it took them until made actually come up with a plan. Just so you know, we've got the plan now. We're working with the landlord. And it isn't expensive and we think we'll probably do it. Our telecast equipment, as I explained last time, it's gotten kind of old. And we talked about moving to getting a new system. And because we would have to update our old system anyway, and it's time to pay for tax support on those old pieces of equipment. So now is a good time to go ahead and change them out. Victor is working on a plan to replace that equipment and what will be needing exactly to modernize that system so that it works for us well into the future. And so hopefully we plan by next month to be able to show you that plan. And under the youth grant, so exciting, we've got our first round of beta testers. This was a really small group. It was only four kids. And they received their equipment in mid-March and they brought it back in April. Good as new, no problems. We have, I've got a little report on, we did a survey, which I attached for you to take a look at about, you know, it was only four kids, but they were all different ages. So that was kind of handy to have, to have that, those different age groups. And the, you can see from some, some of the, the 11 and 12-year-olds had really no problem. They were, you know, pretty much cable ready. They could use that equipment and had no issues. There were some, the 10-year-old had a little bit of an issue with something with like putting things like together. And I'm not sure whether that was because she had little hands or those things were just a little weird for her. But she, she did, she, she did not use iMovie. She used a, an app called Clips, which comes on the iPad. And she liked that better. So it may be the younger kids. And this is like a fine line because the 11-year-old had no trouble. And it could be just child specific as well. So we'll keep, we're going to do a bigger beta test and we'll find out more, but we have made some changes to the kit. We are now marking the tripod so that they can see how the plate goes in. Sometimes they put it in backwards and then dads had to come and blast it out of there. If you put it in backwards, it's really hard to remove. So they had to get help from their dads. And there were, we had put in a list of little videos that they could watch about this specific product and how it works just in case they forgot or couldn't, couldn't get a hold of their teacher. And I think that just got list, got kind of got lost in the pack. So we're improving that. We're making it big and laminating it and we're sticking it in there so they can find it. They had a little bit of trouble uploading their videos and I went and followed the instructions that we had given them and they were indeed wrong. So we have fixed the instructions and you could do it, but it wasn't exactly right. You had to use some of your own ingenuity. And so we fixed it now so it's very clear and we'll just keep making little tweaks as we go along. We're going to be sending 20 kits to Watsonville Parks and Rec this summer for their summer program. We've talked with Capitola and they're they're thinking it over. And we're still working with Save Our Shores to find some teachers. But we think that the next 20 will give us a lot better feedback because they'll be all different ages and a big age group like oh what are they like from the sixth grade through high school. So that's a lot of different ages and that'll give us a lot in because the Parks and Rec is going to keep the packs. They're not giving them to the kids. The kids will come in and use them. Then many more kids than 20 will be able to use the 20 packs. So we should get lots of feedback and this will be the acid test. And then we can tweak from there and then really really release it in a big way. So we're very excited about that. And my last thing oh on that in that category of youth grant. The youth grant committee has been really good about putting this together and kind of figuring out the equipment and tweaking stuff as we go along. And that has been they've done a great job and they continue to be to be involved as we move forward. And I had an opportunity to talk to the education committee about an idea and I want to I want to put it out there to the full board also. And the idea I've been thinking I know that CTV has many times tried to become involved with Cabrio and we haven't pulled it off yet. And I'm thinking that it might be a good idea to put a satellite studio there at the at the at the college. And we do have an education channel which could be devoted to them. And this would be of course they would have to develop a program. So we did you know this would take a long time to get going if we wanted to do it. But I think it is it would be an amazing legacy to leave behind if we were able to start a television program there or help to be to be a part to partner with them in creating a television program that people could learn that as as a as a career. And the Bureau of Labor Statistics says that film and television camera people and editors the growth potential for that career is 18% in the next few years and that is way faster than most digital people would even executives there are studies that show that people would rather receive information by video than read it which is kind of scary but it's true. So I think that hello Louis. I think that it would be an interesting thing for us to do and I would just like you to know that it's being thought about and I would love to hear what you think about that. And that's the final thing on my report is that we're opening the studio in June and we'll be we'll be back in business and that's that's my report for April. All right thank you. Just for the record since we moved that up is that item 5a or are we moving everything down just as we do the minutes. That was 5z actually. Or zed if you're Canadian or British. Okay thank you just to be clear. Thank you very much Becca and let's go on to the regular agenda. We have item number six report from the Education Committee and I'll turn it over to the chair David. Well certainly one of the highlights is Becca's idea and another highlight from our committee meeting really is Elizabeth's enthusiasm for the big change in her career is moving from teaching at Cabrillo to being an administrator at COE where illuminated us on some of the possibilities and I think that was that's really wonderful and I think all of the committee members really are willing to dig in our heels and support Elizabeth in those efforts. Reaching out to schools, reaching out to Cabrillo is I think a real highlight of what we discussed. We were delighted that Becca could join us in our committee meeting and talk about that. We did discuss what our outreach efforts will be and especially with Cabrillo and being a retired faculty person from Cabrillo I must say that I would be absolutely delighted if we could get a studio at the college and I think that would just simply be wonderful. And in the regarding those we are planning on reaching out and have kind of behind the scenes discussion with trustees from both Cabrillo as well as the OE around these efforts and just kind of test the waters. We had some also some discussion around a similar conversation with local funding organizations, community grant organizations and Christina had some thoughtful input regarding local funding and the areas that we could explore. There were also discussions around how we might be able to generate youth civic engagement and I volunteered to discuss or to have conversations with at least one of the board supervisors about such an effort but it's at very preliminary stages. And I think we all have empathy for the stress the teachers are going through right now and all of these kinds of changes and how we can support them and making some of these changes and Elizabeth seems to really have her finger on those challenges and what we might do. So that's kind of summing up. You have a report. I don't know if you've had a chance to look at it but certainly be open to your thoughts and ideas on it. Great. Thank you. Any comments or Elizabeth have any things they might want to add why please jump in. And Elizabeth I love your background. Yeah I like that too that's great. Thank you very much Director Warren. Let's move on we'll have a report from the Volunteer Advisory Committee. Sure. I saw Director Hall's hand up though. Yeah I just want to thank him. I think it'd be really exciting. Becca's asked any comments and David did. If we could finally make a connection with Cabrio that would be a long time goal that everybody's talked about. So it's easy to say go forth but I just wanted to say go forth. Thank you Director Hall. Great. So in terms of the Volunteer Advisory Committee we had a studio supervisor meeting in the packet. There's a couple of forms that we were looking at the studio supervisor and the producer having to fill out to try and keep everybody safe. As it looks like everything's going to be open June 15th we'll probably revise those forms. I don't think we're actually going to take people's temperature anymore. A couple other things may change in there. I probably get it instead of having a studio supervisor meeting have a full volunteer advisory committee meeting and see if we can get as many people involved as possible and and discussing what we're going to do. I don't know if anyone has any comments on the forms other than like I'm mentioning some some lightning up. One other thing I did want to mention I forgot it wasn't in Becca's report but she interviewed Supervisor Kearney and it's on Elected Spotlight showing Thursdays and Saturdays at 8.30pm and it's on the YouTube channel. So if she's up for it I'd like to rope in some more people. Larry I was thinking the next person might be the Mayor of Capitola. Sure you can check with her. I know I mean she's very proud of the city so I think she'd like to talk about it. We had her on a webinar for the library the Friends of the Library showing off the new Capitola library and she did a really fine job representing Capitola and that's why I thought of her. Of course it would be great to get the Mayor's of the other cities as well. Have we had the Mayor's of all the other cities? Seems like we had a couple Watsonville Mayor's. We've had a couple Capitola. We had one Scotts Valley. Yeah we did Scotts Valley. We did Santa Cruz but it's been a while. There's a new Mayor now. So those are all options. Yeah well we have an uncapitola in three years probably so it's a good time to do that. We did Mike Termini last. Yeah. I just had a comment if I may about the studio guidelines. The bit about no food. I know there were certain producers that you know that that was why you wanted to go work for them. They always had a nice little spread there so I don't know they're gonna have to give out gift cards to Chipotle or something to attract a crew at this point. Or maybe handmade masks or something I don't know. Hopefully they'll be resourceful and find another way to reward their crew. Well considering we're indoors I know restaurants are allowed to be open to somewhat 25% or 50% capacity. So I don't know when they're allowed to go to 100% but at 100% we probably can't have that restriction anymore. Yeah. I just want to make there are still some different rules between what the public can what you can offer the public and what you have to do to make sure employees are safe. There's still a little bit of a disconnect between the California rules and the OSHA rules. So as a as an employer and even a volunteer those are kind of the ones you have to really make sure you follow. And I think at this point what you're looking at here are what's in place. They haven't made changes to those rules yet. So even if even if the state you know opens up Cal OSHA still governs the workplace. So you just got to make sure you whatever we do that we treat because the volunteers functionally are employees from Cal OSHA's point of view. So we have to make sure we follow those rules. No I wasn't objecting to that. I was it's definitely it sounds like a prudent measure to take for sure. So I have something we can go to Cal OSHA's website and find out what their requirements are. You can't I they're actually they actually had a mean last week and kicked it off another week to for those rules. So but right now yes you can go to Cal OSHA's website and they have a whole frequently asked questions about COVID. I think it's about 80 questions now. Wow. Thank you. I'm done. All right. Thank you Director Guedger. Now we have I put it down as consider a Board of Resolution in support of SB 28 which is the Royal Broadband and Digital Infrastructure Video Competition Reform Act of 2021. Becca I will turn that over to you. You sent us out some things earlier in the week. We I know we sent some of the sent letters regarding this. It seems maybe Director Hall can speak to this too. It seems that we want to as a board you know state our opinions on this and and have it move forward. Why don't I I probably had a little more time today than Becca did. I actually went through the bill analysis and looked at this. First of all it's passed out of the a number of the committees with no no votes which was interesting to me. Our state Senator Laird has already voted on it once and I happened to see John Laird at an event in Live Oak over the weekend. We said if we wanted to do anything it's probably going to be on the Senate floor within a week. So probably anything we would want to do if we have any thoughts about this would be in the State Assembly because it's moving through the Senate at this point in time. But when I went through the bill I don't know have any of you actually gone through the bill analysis yet? I haven't I've taken a look at some of it. I haven't gone through it closely. It's pretty extensive. It kind of rolls back some of the things that were put in with Divca that the state can roll back. I was surprised. I thought it would be a lot more generic but what it does do is bring a little more local not control of as much but if a cable company doesn't actually provide the services that they promised to do this bill sets up a system with the PUC where this jurisdiction can go to the PUC. Now whatever the PUC does who knows but I think in terms of getting services to where they promised and not done this is probably a pretty good step forward whether it actually makes it out based on what we've read from Becca who knows but it's gotten out of a couple of the committees with no no votes which means there are some Republicans supporting it. So I think they probably have all heard about different needs and different problems and this may be one way to support it in kind of a very incremental way. Okay. Director Moseyhouse. For either Secretary Director Reed or Joe Director Hall in the email earlier in the week Becca I believe you said that the bill does include something about requiring cable companies to provide high definition feeds for public access. Did I remember that correctly? Yeah it's if they have promised to do that they're supposed to do it if they haven't done it already. Oh if they've promised but it doesn't require them to. They did promise they don't have to. I see. I see. But they actually Comcast has told us they would do that for us. We just haven't done it yet. Okay well hopefully when we get our new infrastructure the new equipment that'll make it more practical. Yeah well right now because of the way like it upgrades and it ups and downs the video our video would be a tiny thing inside a box because it would have been converted so many times so Victor doesn't want to do that. But with this new system we would make that switch. Yeah I've always thought it was ashamed to shoot this beautiful high definition footage in the studio and then send it out you know. For it to be down converted and then up converted. Letterbox standard def yeah. Yeah yeah the other thing that this does I think is that is interesting is that it it takes away there's an amendment there's something in the old law that says that the the cable company can never be called a utility and they're taking that out so they could they could but they're giving them places where if they they haven't said that's what they'll do but there's the option there and they want they think that the internet and they're calling it video is important because as COVID happened people needed it to get to their jobs they needed to be able to work online they need to be able to make vaccine appointments they need to see tele doctors and you can't they they're say they're making the case that you can't live in a 21st century without it and that they don't they don't build out enough of the rural areas where there are fewer people and or or lower economic status people then they are not really providing everyone and they think it should be everybody should be able to have it and it should be affordable for everyone so that's that is yeah and I think this is kind of the transition of cable from entertainment to life support now as opposed to that and there was a lot in there about how the cable operates in rural areas and how they don't collect and collect information it's a very detailed bill I was surprised when I got into it I thought oh this will be something I had different thoughts and after I got through it I said well this is a pretty major piece of legislation in California Keith did you have you looked into it at all I mean I read a summary of it like I asked Joe I wondered if it needs to go through the legislative committee of the DCC for further analysis yeah I I I think it would be interesting but for our group I would I would recommend we pass a resolution supporting it I think it'll serve rural areas in the state and to a certain degree in our county I don't think some of the things they're addressing are quite as critical in our county as they are in the Central Valley but still I think it would make a big change for the California in a positive way and I think the cable companies can probably adjust to this and still thrive in a very prosperous way so if nobody else will say anything I'll make a motion well I actually didn't want to add something if that's okay it was there was actually an article earlier this week regarding the one of the internet providers actually pulling out of well not maintaining rural infrastructure up in some of the fire areas that were so you know that was so important they basically said that they're and you know if you've been involved in IT the copper infrastructure they're just not going to maintain anymore so I think the more you know when we talk about rural we we do see this this is really kind of where the digital divide exists right now you know you know they're just not and so I think the more we can get in to make sure that you know if firm a or b decides they want to pull out the jurisdictions have the ability to get someone else in there and I think that something I think the if the board could support that I think it'd be very important so I just had a question about the port is it a point of order so uh I didn't see a text of a resolution attached to the agenda and maybe I missed it so are we just asked are we directoring our executive director asking our board chair to write a letter in support so we don't have to approve the actual verbiage well we can go either way I don't I I don't have any real particular idea on that I think a letter would be fine I'll be glad to write a resolution but I think either way they have the both both have the way to the board so it's up to the chair well the yeah we did not have a resolution already drafted the problem I think with the resolution is would we need to circulate it we we don't want to wait until the next meeting would we need to circulate that then and just can we approve it that way or just people sign on it I I think we just do a letter at this point okay well let's do that we can we can send a letter under or over the executive director and the chair's names on behalf of the board in support of this I think we have consensus here but we can we have a motion on the floor and I'll entertain a second director gudger well I'll second it but I want to know who the letters to it's going to go to the author of the bill and it'll go to our two local rep representatives similarly we're stone and state senator larry what about assembly member readers yep that's true too he represents the south end of the county so I can go to him let's put him on there too yeah and the other thing after we vote on this I have one other sense of direction too and but I'll talk about that after the motion okay so I second it all right we have a motion and a second to send a letter communicating the board's opinion or the board's feelings on SB 28 I believe it is double check that the rural broadband and digital infrastructure act and it'll be signed by both the chair and the executive director on behalf of the board and I guess let's call a roll on this yes um chair or I'm sorry director driscoll yes director Shaw yes director hall yes director maze yours yes director warren yes director gudger yes director lorette yes chair cheerlain yes thank you great and um joe um just one other thing I thought it appropriate and I'll be willing to do a few phone calls that if the chair and the executive director we might want to meet with assembly member stone since this probably by the time we get to it this will be out of the senate so any committee work that needs to be done would be done in the state assembly so I thought it'd be good for us to we may not be able to meet with him but we at least have a meeting with uh his district director to let him know our support and ask if there's any other flexibility points they can put in that might help santa cruz county okay great that's a good idea um good in terms uh in terms of the letter too don't worry okay that's why I was gonna say in terms of drafting the letter if you would do that and then we can take a look at that and send that out thank you very much director hall um we move on now to number nine this is a continuation of the discussion we began last month on the rules and practices regarding to hate speech folks wanted to think about it a bit and come back and discuss it anybody wish to um thoughts director majo chair lanie um I actually don't have any additional thoughts but I I just did I did recall that director granados had requested some time to think about it and so I don't know if if she would appreciate being part of this discussion I don't know if we want to discuss it now or or or table it till our next meeting um but I'll see what the board says yeah you're right she had asked about that um I think that's a good point and I would I'd be willing to um table it we don't it's not it's important it's not you know time urgent uh really but it's something that we can um work on so if the board agrees I think let's put that off another month and we can discuss it again everybody okay with that okay thank you um we have already had the oral report of the executive director so we'll move on to um oral report of the board chair I don't have a formal report I just wanted to point out that we have one vacancy um on our board now and we have one will be coming up in November director manheim will cycle off and we may have um forgive me I forget director gudger you were you had mentioned we might have another one um coming up anyway my my point is just that we um sort of put our minds of thinking about the composition of the board we have a really great board right now and um continuing that so as we think ahead towards who might be nominated who would like to be on and maintaining a um diversity of and a mix of geographical areas um and age and background and and things like that I think is important for our board I'm prompted by some of these thoughts by one that we've got some opportunities to get more people on the board and two um the contra-tomp over the o'neill odyssey case where there was some um controversy over the makeup of the board and some unpleasant feelings there I think I don't think we have anything like that on this board we have a great board and I just like to keep it that way so if we think ahead towards how we would like to um have folks join us that's the the size of my report any comments all right um board members staff requests for specific items to appear on the next meeting's agenda we have one which will continue item number nine about rules and practices regarding hate speech any other thoughts for the agenda next meeting all right any announcements you know thoughts on the next meeting and not announcements I would leave a little time for the hate speech discussion uh just you know if there are a lot of other things uh you know you as chair can decide how to to do it but uh that's going to take a while no matter what what we say or do or think about okay yeah good point I'm making a note of that and we don't want to yeah we don't want to rush through it and take it we do want to take it seriously um all right and hi we are to that point of the afternoon the adjournment I will indicate a motion to adjourn so moved by director gudger second I'll do second all right director all all in favor hi hi thanks everybody for persevering um through our funny technical things and um we did it we made it back so nice to see you all thank you we'll um thank you thank you all right bye bye bye