 You are listening to Mind Pump the World's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. It's a good time here. Look, today we answer fitness and health questions that are asked by our audience, but the first 45 minutes of this episode is an introductory portion. We pull up studies on nutrition, fitness. We talk about current events. We talk about random things as well. So I'm going to give you a breakdown of today's entire episode. We open up by talking about the purple tear. That's right. We're in purple tear now here in the Bay Area. That means everything's closed again, which led us to talk about why black markets exist in the first place. This might be one of the reasons why it might be a cause. Certain black markets are starting to prop up here. Then we talk about the controversy around the social media app parlor. More and more controversy around. It's very interesting to us. Then I talk about this new segment on our YouTube channel where we talk about third rail topics. There's a new episode up there right now where I interview Brett Weinstein. It's not fitness related. Little edgy, huh? Go check it out. Then we tease Adam for mispronouncing things. We've done that many times, but it happened again. Then we talk about the pumpkin muffins that we had this morning made with Organifi protein. It's hard to believe these things are high in protein and love, but they're really, really good. By the way, Organifi makes organic supplements, protein powders, green juices, gold juices, some of the best products you'll find anywhere. It's actually the sponsor that's been with us the longest, one of our favorite sponsors, and we have the biggest Organifi discount you'll find anywhere online. So if you want to try out their products, use the Mind Pump discount. Go to organifi.com forward slash mind pump, and then use the code mind pump for 20% off. Then I address the study that's going around talking about how eggs cause diabetes. Not really. Then we talk about eco-friendly products and direct-to-consumer products and companies, which includes one of our sponsors, Public Goods. If you want to shop online, get your stuff directly to your door at wholesale prices, things that are eco-friendly and that mind the chemicals in their stuff. By the way, they sell everything from cleaning products and dog food and treats and all kinds of stuff ridiculously good prices. Go get the Mind Pump discount. This is what you do. Go to public goods.com forward slash mind pump and then use the code mind pump. Then we talk about recycling and how it's probably not happening anymore because China's not buying our stuff. It's just trash now. And then Adam brought up a new series on Amazon Prime called Wayne. Then we got into the fitness questions. So here's the first one. This person wants to know how effective power building is. This seems to be the combination of power lifting and body building. So we talk about its benefits and its detriments. The next question this person says, what value does a Zercher squat provide? Why can't I just do front squats? What's the difference? The next question this person wants to know what we think about programs that not only help you look fit, but actually move and be fit. So we talk a lot about our maps performance program, which is actually designed exactly for that. That's the one. And then the final question this person says, look, when you're following a workout program, when is it okay to go off script just to have some fun? Also, all month long, we have put together our most popular at home workout programs in a bundle and discounted them tremendously. A lot of gyms are closing down again, or you might be afraid to go to the gym right now. It looks like COVID cases are spiking. So here's what we did. 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One payment and you get lifetime access to all three programs. You also get a 30 day money back guarantee trial, meaning you can enroll in the bundle and you can follow the programs for a month. And if they don't blow your mind, return them for a full refund. If you want more information or you just want to sign up, go to maps, November.com. That's the word maps, M-A-P-S, November.com. Did you guys get the alert last night? We are the COVID alert? Yeah. What are we, tier or peer? What is it, seven or purple or some shit? Wow. What's the purple tier? Is that what it, purple tier? Yeah. I don't even know what it looks like. We're polka dot right now. I don't even know what the code, the codes are. Yeah. It's the highest level. Yeah. So it's back to lockdowns, full lockdowns, unless you are in a central business. Yay. Dude, so you know what? I'm trying to be positive, right? What a wonderful practice in accepting things as they are. You can't control. Yeah. It's like, that's what's been happening for a while now, like a year. So I think we have another year of this practice. Boy, are we going to be stronger at the end of this? I feel like I'm just in line and I'm just waiting and I'm walking and then at the end of the line, somebody kicks me really hard in the nuts. Or like over and over again. Or they tell you you're in the wrong line. You got to go wait over there. It's interesting how much like we talk about like, you know, the depression rising and all the bad things that are coming from us. But what would you rather be? Would you rather be here right now in lockdown or here 200 years ago? Yeah, I know, but you can't do that, dude. What? I can always, there's always something more fucked up. Yeah. I mean, you know what I'm saying? But did you, I'm not... Like someone comes to you like, man, I'm so sad because I got a car accident or something. Yeah. But do you have cancer? All right then. I mean, hello. You should feel good. But I mean, like we, the things that we can still do from home, the ways that we can still connect. You know what I'm saying? That's what I mean. I don't mean that it was necessarily wars and because of shit like that. I'm just talking about... Here's a speculation that I'm making right now because a lot of people don't know this. Okay. So people, when I say black market, people think drugs or illegal weapons or all these terrible things. Black markets literally exist because there's a strong demand and it's a market that is not supported by your government. That's all it means. So if there's a strong enough demand and your government doesn't support whatever the demand is for, for whatever product or service, then what will end up happening is you'll have a black market. So it can be stuff that we currently deem is bad, like again, illegal drugs or guns, or it can be like in the Soviet Union where they had black markets for milk, bread, Nike shoes, Levi's jeans. I mean, I know somebody whose friend in the Soviet Union literally went to prison because he peddled Levi's jeans on the black market in the Soviet Union. So where am I going with this? Well, with all these lockdowns, with all these forced businesses that have to shut down, and some businesses have been fucked since the beginning. They haven't been able to really do anything like salons, gyms, service-oriented type businesses, restaurants, indoor restaurants, totally screwed. What we're going to do is we're going to create very big, vibrant black markets. That's just what's going to happen. It's already happening. It's just going to grow and become bigger. Well, and I think there's an interesting conversation here too, because this is not something that is just temporary either, because once you get away with it, it's going to be a button that they're going to constantly push. Well, and just think too. It's a bell you can't unring. Put yourself in the shoes of the business owner that goes to the black market, right? That decides that they're going to do this. And they start to do it, and they start to make money, and they get away with it. Then COVID goes away, and then we're back to normal. Do they switch back to normal? There's maybe a small percentage of people that do, but I would argue that there's a lot of people that, shit, I already got away with it when we had to get away with it, and I'm not paying taxes on all this money. Why not keep going? 100%. Here's the things with black markets. Here's the problems with them. Forget the actual product or service that's being pedaled on the black market. Let's just pretend that, just whatever. That doesn't matter for now, because obviously some products and services are worse than others. So let's just forget that for a second. What are the dangers of the black market just itself? Okay? So again, let's say you're in the Soviet Union, and it's a black market for milk, or let's say you're in a lockdown right now, and you're working in the black market for cutting hair. What are the bad things about that? Well, when you're operating in a black market, there's number one, you don't pay taxes. So tax revenue dramatically lowers, which can cause some problems. Here's another big problem. Let's say there's a dispute over business or cash, or you get ripped off. You can't go to the court. You can't sue someone. Now you can't use any legal measures to dispute your issues or problems. And so what ends up happening is oftentimes, it leads to violence. It leads to property damage. Let's say you go get a black market haircut, or you go work out at a gym, and the guy, you pay the guy three months in advance, and then he doesn't let you in after a week. You can't, it's not like you can go to the court and sue him. So what if you're pissed off? What if you're mad at him? Maybe you'll go and you'll spray paint his gym or do some shit or whatever. And so what ends up happening is all these black markets are gonna cause more problems. And then there's a psychological thing that we need to consider. This is true, by the way, as a fact. Remember the whole concept of gateway drugs? Remember they said marijuana is a gateway drug. The reason why some of that was true was because when people were smoking marijuana, they would step over the line into the black market. Now the same dealer that brought them weed also can sell them cocaine and ecstasy and other drugs. So once you start down this path of breaking the law, it's easier to continue to break the law. Right, that's the case that I'm making. I think that a lot of people just stay there. I think that if you already took that risk and then you find out you're okay, I think that a lot of people will say that it's survival. Not only that, but when the market is open and regulated, let's say they said restaurants stay open, but here's all the guidelines you have to follow. You have to take temperature, people wear masks, do whatever. But now they say no, sorry, totally closed. And then there's a black market for restaurants. They're less likely to follow a lot of those guidelines. They're already breaking the law. So now they're like, whatever, we're just gonna do it. So this could backfire in a really, really big way and I don't think that they're considering any of that stuff. They're not considering any other downstream problems. And I think we need to pay attention because people are getting the whole... That's a lot easier just to shut everything down and not realize what kind of backlash and consequences that creates and what other problems that creates. I just wish that there was a way that it could just be communicated like the seriousness of all these cases are popping back up. Hey guys, why doesn't everybody be extra cautious and follow protocols even more strictly, but stay open and let people that wanna go out, go out. Everybody else that wants to stay home, stay home. I feel like there'd just be a lot more people that would adopt that right away. Well, the cases started spiking and a lot of the speculation is not because necessarily businesses were starting to reopen, but rather because people stopped isolating. So a lot of people were like, screw it. I'm gonna go hang out with my 15 friends. I mean, that's where I feel that personally. Within my circle of family and friends, I mean, I've noticed that they're like, obviously when this all... You can't police it. It's impossible. When this all hit originally, everybody I think was pretty much in lockdown. Nobody was mingling with anybody else, family or friends. And now you've started to see people going, well, I'm gonna see my mom and my cousin and my aunt. That's how it ended. And then I'm gonna see my mom, my cousin and my aunt and my brother-in-law. And it's just like it slowly has grown since then to where I feel like now most people are... They're still abiding by their rules as far as when they go places, but as far as who they're interacting with, I think that's substantially grown, at least in the circle of people that I know that's what's... Even the ones that I think were the most staunch about not seeing anybody, even they have. My brother, which ironically, my brother-in-law who's one of the ones who got COVID, he wouldn't even answer his door to his mom. His mom came over like bringing food. This is before he got COVID? Yeah. This is before he even got COVID. So before he even got COVID, he was like wouldn't answer his door, wouldn't talk to anyone in the family. Like if even if just like the small and immediate family got together, like he wasn't coming around. So he was like that big time. Well, he ends up getting COVID anyways. He catches it through a girlfriend that he was the only people he was seeing caught it. And since then, and time has gone by, now he's around 15, 20 different family and friends that I know of personally. And I don't know what else he's done besides that. You know what, that makes me think of something. Do you guys think at some point, if this keeps going, going, going, that at some point healthy people are going to go and just try to get it? Be like, fuck yeah. Well, so chicken pox. That's part of what I think is happening too is that, you know, so there's definitely, there's definitely obviously a percentage of people. And I see this too within my circle. I have people that have lost somebody to COVID. So if you have somebody who you knew, you know, within a person or two away from you that died from it, you tend to be a little more like freaked out about it. But then the opposite is true too. If you're somebody who has one or two or like, you know, in my case, I have like six or seven people that are pretty close to me that I've all had it. And they all, They had it for like a day. And they're all unhealthier than I am. And they all were fine. And they had it. And then it was, it's gone. You know, maybe the worst I think out of those people were, you know, taste, they lost taste for like 30 days. But as far as getting through the flu like symptoms, it was relatively fast and less in comparison. Other things they've had. So then you're more like relaxed because you have somebody who you've, a couple of people now you've known who's had it and you're like, oh, okay, they're way unhealthy compared to me. And so I think you have two things going on there where you've still got some people who know somebody who's passed and they're a little more scared, but more and more people, and there's obviously the death rate is very, very low. So there's a higher percentage of chance you know somebody or a few people who have had it, but then have been fine from it. And so now that you've been this close to it, you're starting to go like, okay, it's not that scary. And so I think more people. Do you know how long it took before, like after the Spanish flu, like how long it took people to then sort of interact and get back to kind of business as usual? Yeah, I don't, but I imagine in those days. A lot longer, you would think. Yeah. Just because of the way stuff traveled. Yeah. And people die like so many people. That was a vicious one. I, you know, I think people back then, it was terrible, but I think they accepted things a little differently. And because you didn't have the mass media, well, and they had to work. Not only that, but you're, yes. And you're also mostly exposed to the people around you. So to use that as an example, let's imagine that mass media, the way we have it now doesn't exist, okay? So the only co, you've heard of COVID, right? You've heard about it. Right. But really the only point of reference you have are the people you know. Right. And of all the people that I know personally, I know two people, two distant family members that got it. So in my mind, if that was all I knew, I'd be like, it's not that bad. I only know two people. Well, especially if the two people you know, we're okay. Yeah, we're okay. Exactly. So I'm wondering if it was like that up until it was, Nana was just terrible. Now you're just seeing shit go crazy, you know? But I know many times, many times people have thought the end of the world was coming. I mean, I'm pretty sure when the bubonic plague happened, that's one third of the whole, although Europe died. Well, yeah. And I remember Ebola, like how scared we all were, because that's like one of those where immediately you get like really detrimental symptoms. Did you bleed out of your face? Like almost like within a few days. So it's like, this is a different thing, you know? It's like a lot of people like make it through okay, but then, you know, every now and then there's somebody dies and then it just kind of. It's also just wreaks people out. It's just creating this situation because it's stress and there's things that a lot of us haven't experienced before. It's just ripe for conspiracy theories. It's just paranoia and the latest one I heard. Here's the latest one I heard. But I mean, all conspiracy theories, there's a piece of it that you could be like, huh, that might make a little sound. Here's the next one. The next one is that big tech and big media really want people to be scared as hell because companies like Amazon and Google and they crush. Oh my God. And they take out their competition. Tech businesses are killing it right now, you know? And I think that's where my concern is just about all the small businesses. Like they're just like disappearing right in front of our eyes. There's just no more competition now. Tech and direct to consumer. Yes. Those two are just... But here's the thing though. Is that the natural evolution anyways? It's just accelerating it. Yeah. Maybe we'll see if it goes back. I mean, you can make an argument for that. Right. And I know that sounds harsh to say that. Like if you have a close family member, a friend that has like a small mom, pop shop, like those places are getting killed, right? We're in small towns. But you know, is it the natural evolution of how things are going to go anyways that most people are going to be ordering on Google and Amazon and... Well, I had this conversation too. I think I was on a podcast where it was like, we've been talking since day one about like to trainers. Like start considering putting everything that you've done online. Start really like putting your entire library of content like out there. Put it out there. That's where business is going. And that's where it was all going. And then this just really like, you know, put a wedge in that. Yeah. Although I'll say this, I know at least a handful of trainers who they trained in gyms or personal training studios. And when this all happened, they converted to going to people's homes and training them. And they're doing excellent. They're crushing. I love that. Yeah. Their businesses have all exploded because, you know, their top client, because here there's a bit of a bias, right? People who hire trainers tend to take their fitness a little bit more seriously and don't mind investing a little bit more time and money. So if you have, you know, 15 clients that are training with you at your gym and they're all paying you 70 bucks an hour and then the gym is closed, you have to imagine at least eight of them would be willing to pay another 20 bucks an hour for you to come to their house. Well, I think it's even more. It's the smartest thing you can do right now. I think it's more than that. I mean, how many of your guys' clients train with you more for the social reason than they did even for the results they got? So, I mean, that's a big part for a lot of people that are already spending that kind of money. A big portion of them aren't just interested in losing five pounds or building muscle. They've built relationships with them. And so... It's very important. Right, and now you're in this lockdown, everybody's kind of sad, depressed, you don't see anybody and then you have the option to... Can you have Justin come over? Yeah, I know, right? I'm like, the party's here. His mask and his great cakes, you know what I'm saying? Come over and does yoga with you, like that's freaking amazing. You just have to wear dogs, everything. You just have to wear these shorts. That's it. And I'll let you train me in my house anyway. Keep it entertaining. Dude, a lot of news going around Parler that social media app that I've brought up now a couple times. Yeah, I see. Everybody jumping over there. Oh, so tons of people are jumping over there. And so, like clockwork, the media now is reporting that it's a haven for right wing extremists and it's a haven for conspiracy theorists. And it's this and that. Because we can't control them. Yeah, and this is a threat to democracy. Meanwhile, they're on CNN or Fox or whatever, which are... Those are echo chambers in and of themselves. Oh my God, have you seen that little news reel where they all obviously had the same script where they're talking about this? This is a threat to democracy. You see everybody in like every news station have the same exact... It's pretty creepy. Parler was predictable. We talked about this years ago when we were talking about how people are more and more going into their silos. And there's this perception that if your views are not the mainstream or if you're conservative or even libertarian that you may be censored on the big platforms, at some point enough people are going to feel that way. And they're going to go... There's a market demand. You don't have to be an extremist. You could just be like a rational person that's like, I don't believe in all the censorship. Yeah. You know, like there's a space for that and that's where that has some appeal to it. But I'll say this, I think just wait until they get real big and then they're probably gonna start. Of course. Yeah, I mean, come on. It's just for now. Yeah, it's 100% CNN and Fox. I mean, that's old media. It's just now new media. Yeah, this is new media. I mean, we just talked about this the other day, right? How we, you know, news networks report on Twitter. You know what I'm saying? Like you turn on the TV to watch the news and 50% of their news they're reporting is a tweet. So, you know, that's how we get our information now. And so of course, it's obvious to me that we'd have a Instagram and a Twitter that represents a kind of CNN type of point of view and the natural progression would be a one that's a Fox point of view will eventually emerge. And I think Parler is that. You know, it's interesting. A lot of people on there are people who are in nutrition, health and wellness, whose views have gotten blocked or shadow banned on Instagram. So like carnivore diet advocates, people who are anti, you know, like GMO, believe it or not, are moving over there because they've been censored. People who question Western medicine. So a lot of people in the wellness space do that. Yeah. So like anti-vaxxers and stuff like that. Oh, they're those for sure. But I guarantee they'll be, they'll be censored on Parler too. I think that's a, that's a topic that no matter where you go, people are going to try and shut you down. But just wellness people who are moving over there because Rob Wolf, for example, who's not controversial. I never thought he was that controversial. No, I mean, he just advocates for me. Yeah. Nothing crazy. And he gets, he gets, you know, shadow banned all the time. So he's moved over there. So I think this is, this is a market. You're going to see more of this kind of stuff. You're going to see more. There's too many agendas out there fighting each other. Yeah. It's just, it's so obnoxious. Speaking of which, you know, I am very interested to see how that little segment I did is going to do on YouTube. Oh, the third rail one? Third rail. Yeah. Yeah, we'll see. When is that going live? As of the recording of this episode, well, as the dropping of this episode, it should be up. Oh, wow. So it should be up. And essentially what it is, is I love having controversial conversations with people that are not fitness related. Mind Pump really isn't the place for that because it's more of a fitness health podcast. So it's a segment that we're right now just going to put on our YouTube podcast channel where I'm going to talk to people about that kind of stuff. So the first, the first guest was Brett Weinstein. I'm excited. Yeah. So we'll see. We'll see what the. What did you think of the, because I wasn't there for the conversation. So I thought it was good. I had a great conversation. It was only a few days though, after my son was born. So I'm going to watch it and just, I don't know how Friday was. So we'll see how it was. I'm pure adrenaline. Yeah, right. We'll see how I was speaking of people like that. By the way, Adam, you know, you've been pronouncing someone's name wrong for like three years. Who? Adam. Adam. Atler. Atler. No, no, no, Alter. Alter. That's why you even got us doing it. Yeah, he was just on Joe Rogan. That's why it was Alter. I saw that he was on Joe Rogan. Is it really? It's, it's A-L-T-E-R. Not A-T-L-E-R. No, no, no. That's why he's come on our show. It's like, fuck that guy. He talks about it. Says my name wrong all the time. That might be why. I can't forget us. Bro, watch a guarantee. Watch all the people touting that now. I mean, that shit I was saying that, what, four years ago. You were? Oh, yeah. And you guys were making fun of me and stuff like that. Now that he's on Joe Rogan, I guarantee everybody's going to be talking about it. It's the head of your time. Well, I mean, I think it's, you know what he said on Rogan? He thinks that this kind of forced lockdown situation is going to, he hopes at least, that it's going to make people kind of question their addiction to technology because a lot of us feel forced to be on it. So maybe that'll change our perception. Oh, yeah. That's an interesting point of view because I've felt that myself personally, more than ever. Like, I mean, I was already talking about it, right? So I've been talking about it for a long time. But man, when you're, you know, you're forced to be indoors like that, there is only so much to do. And when you've got a television and a phone, it's really easy to just, you know, switch over onto that and then get sucked in. So, yeah. No, I find myself like really paying attention to how much I'm tending to go that direction. It's tough, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we're aware, right? So we've talked about it. We've read the books on it. And so, and we've shared about this. So imagine how many people are unaware and like how long does it take them like going down that rabbit hole before they realize like, oh, shit. Well, there's this psychological phenomena that happens. There's a name for it. I'm pretty sure where people who enjoy doing a particular thing, once it becomes their job, they stop enjoying it as much. It happens to athletes a lot too. Yes, that's exactly the, I don't know what the name of this, what it's called. But they talk about it in psychology, but essentially because you feel like you have to, just the perception of that changes the enjoyment of it. So it's like you love doing something, but now that you feel, even though you're not necessarily forced, but you feel forced. Yeah, I know. Yeah, so that's what he was speculating about people's using their phones and technologies that because we may be perceiving like that we're forced to do it, that maybe now people are going to question their addiction to technology. Yeah, they speculate a little bit too about how people might start moving and be more interested in virtual reality. And I haven't even given that a thought because I just feel like that's still kind of something that's far from where we're at right now. But I guess it's made like lots of moves lately. Like if they've gotten way better with it, the experience is totally like catching up to something that like people are like, wow, I feel like immersed in this environment. How much does it feel like we're right on the cusp of that, you know. It's like right on the threshold of what I've been saying of that we're going to have the plugged or the unplugged. So you have like if Adam Alter is saying things that, okay, we are on the cusp of people starting to figure out how addicted they are, I agree and I disagree. I agree. There's a portion of self-aware people. You have like Amish people but with technology. You have definitely a portion or a percentage of the people out there that are self-aware and recognize that and don't want that for themselves. And then you have another portion that are almost oblivious to it, don't give a shit. And then VR comes in and then you can plug in and now this virtual. Forget about my body, just plug me in. And this virtual world ends up being just as enjoyable or more enjoyable for them than the reality is. Oh, I tell you what, the minute you can have sex in VR we're screwed. Well, I'm telling you. I thought you can. It's already there. It's there. I mean when it's like legit. Like, you know. Well, how does it get more legit than what? Like don't they have, they already have the thing where you can goggles on, you can put like a thing on yourself and then watch, right? Yeah, I saw that. I mean, what do you want? What else? What's more real than? Well, where it feels virtual reality. Where it feels fully immersed, where you feel like you're in there. Like a player one. Yeah, something like that. Like you got a whole suit. The whole body suit. Yeah. That's got to be coming. A haptic suit. Of course. Like does things to your. Yeah, warms up your core temperature. Yeah. Of course. And then you're, now we're screwed. Once you can get in there and have sex, forget it. Nobody's going to do anything anymore. That's what I think. I think it's, we're going to be totally screwed. Not everybody. You know, there'll be a portion of people that are like actually want to go do something with their day and then like have sex on virtual reality. Yeah. Yeah. I have a little more faith in humanity than that. Well, in between. So I was like, nobody's ever coming out after that. Once you can fuck on virtual reality. Pretty much we've solved everything. I mean, there's definitely a big portion because you saw like World of Warcraft. Do you know how like popular that game was? That game was so popular. People would like wear diapers. Because they didn't want to get up and like miss anything. That's true. What? Yeah. There were people that were actually. This is not true. Yes, it is. I'm curious. People were playing a video game so much. They don't want to get up. They would put on adult diapers and then soil themselves while they're playing. Soil themselves just to keep, you know, staying in that world. Yep. No. Yeah. Yeah. That's come on. That's crazy. That's real news. That's what Adam Alter said. Oh. I can't even say his name right. I can't even say his name right, dude. Yeah. He's rude. He's ninja-less. Screwed me up. Hey, did you guys try the treats that with that? Oh, yes. What are those? Jerry just made those spongy and delicious. Those were bomb. Pull those up, Doug. Those were the banana she just sent. She sent the recipe over. Banana pumpkin. Maybe the best thing so far. I tell you what. Were they made with the gold juice? No, no, no. They're Organifi protein. I got it. Oh, wow. So did she put it on there? Yeah. Have you tried it, Sal? No, no. I'm going to tell you right now because she sent it. Here it is. Pumpkin noise. Okay, pumpkin. Oh, wait a minute. This is, hold on a second. No, they're bomb. How does she do that? Okay, listen. They're pumpkin. I don't know if you can see that on camera, but it's like, it's like. Little crust on the top. Yeah, it's nice. They can't see that. Pumpkin, banana bread, protein muffins. No way. So it's got, listen, graham cracker, that's graham cracker crumbs on there. Four scoops of the Organifi vanilla protein powder, 15 ounces of pumpkin, three overripe bananas, two large eggs, baking powder, and then some pumpkin pie spice. I would never know. And then a little bit of topped with walnuts. If you served this to me and didn't tell me that there was protein powder, I would never know. Oh my God. Yeah. Wow, that's really good. Nice bomb. That's really good. I should get it off the Organifi website. Yeah, I'm pretty sure she did. I gotta ask her if that's where she got it or not from. But I mean, it's, it's super bomb. They have a lot of good recipes on there. I'm glad that she's doing this. Yeah, this might have been one. It was up to us. I know. Yeah, I made a protein shake. Yeah, we heard your idea, right? It was with raw eggs and raw eggs and coconut water. Oh, it's all about. It makes it sweet. It's all about utility for me. Yeah. Bro, that's nothing. When I was a kid trying to gain size, I used to make tuna fish or chicken breast shakes. That's so gross. Uh-huh. No joke. I'm trying to imagine his breath. Hey, guys. I think it's, I think the reason why it smells the way it does now is it's reminiscent of that, dude, still from that long ago. All right, you guys. Stop fucking, stop picking on me. Adam takes another rubble. I know. Bald joke. I'm just saying, I've been getting it. That's so well. No, do you see that Justin did an old throwback post of him and I when. Dude, you guys were, I know. Handsome. I had to pick one where Adam was at his handsomest, you know, that way he wouldn't get all mad at me. So this is, this is. Nobody, all the comments, nobody. This isn't Adam. I didn't even like respond. So here's what's happened and Adam, just be honest, be honest with me. You and I both have definitely declined in our attractiveness. Why? Justin and Doug have gotten better looking. I agree. What the fuck? I agree. You gotta start low. There's only one way to go. You guys got the wrong strategy. You went way high and then you're declining. We peaked. That's just not a, that's not a good strategy. I landed Jessica real quick with. I was all basing on personality. And now Corey's like, whoa, you're changing. Hey, speaking of food, did you guys see the egg study that's making the rounds right now? God, media I swear is, sometimes I feel like media is just. Are they demonizing it? They're just idiots. That's what I, that's what. And then again, it's our own fault because we click on everything. That's stupid. So study comes out and it says eating just one egg a day increases your diabetes risk by 60%. What? That's what the study says, right? Wow. Now here's the deal. It's not a study. I'm gonna make that an association. It's not a study. It's observational, meaning they are putting together correlations. And what they did is they looked at, I think it was in Australia. If I'm not mistaken, I should pull it up. In China. Was it China? Okay. I don't know if the study was done in China or if it was Chinese people in Australia. Let me double check and see. So they took, so they, they, they looked at a bunch of Chinese people either in China or Australia. And when they started eating an egg a day, they saw an increase in the risk of diabetes. And so they connected the two. Here's what they're not telling you. They didn't control for anything else. And when people from, especially from other cultures, start to adopt a Western diet, that usually includes eggs in the morning. But what does it also typically include? Pancakes. Bunch, yeah. A bunch of processed food garbage. Right. So they're trying to connect eggs to the diabetes because that's the crazy thing that would stand out in the study. But they didn't talk about any other. That they had with it. Yes. Yeah. It's so stupid. Again, more agendas. It just seems so much like there's a massive agenda to make any kind of meat or poultry or any kind of demonize it some way so they can sell you whatever fake burger. It's funny how much, I mean, we're all guilty of this too, of using studies as truth. I was trying to explain this to Katrina. And Sal, you know this better than I do. What is the percentage of a study even being replicated? Is it a single digits? It depends. I think behavioral or psychological studies are terrible. Nutritional studies can be really hard because so many of them are these survey-based studies. And the reason for that is it's really hard to- Tease everything out. To lock people up for five months and say you're only eating this way. You know how expensive that would be? Right, right. You know, take 200 people, put them in a lab, control all factors, and then tease out what's causing what. Impossible. And so instead they have people fill out surveys. And in this case, in this study, when you're studying Chinese adults, they typically will eat their culture's diet, right? But when they start to adopt Western-style diet, that typically includes some kind of beef or more beef and eggs, maybe more milk, and then all the other garbage that comes along with it. So yeah, their health is going to decline. It's not because of the eggs, it's because of all the other- Well, I mean, that was my point, right? That I was trying to- I think I told Katrina it was like a single-digit percentage of like that actually can be replicated exactly the same. Studies like, that's what's so- But yet we tout all these as truth, you know, that this study came out, therefore this is the truth. When in reality, that study rarely ever can ever even be duplicated, that just goes to show you how much of a variance there is in everything that we- Yeah, and then you just get camps to cherry pick whatever parts of the study they'd like the most in order to sell whatever the hell idea they want to sell you. Well, back in the day, coffee was associated, correlated with cancer. So they would do studies, these same kind of studies, observational, they found that people who drank coffee got cancer more often. And so some people said, coffee is bad for you. In fact, when I was a kid, coffee was bad for you. Nobody told- Nobody said coffee was healthy. Yeah, totally. It was bad for you, it was unhealthy. It happened when we were trainers, like in the late 90s and early 2000s. Black coffee and cigarettes, that was like the thing. That's why, because they didn't- Because people who drank lots of coffee in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s smoked a lot of cigarettes too. But they said coffee causes cancer. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like any of these studies, it's so hard to say. Like, and we know how much other things like sleep and behaviors and stress and relationships all affect your health. So it's like, you can do all this stuff about, oh, people that follow these macros or this is what we think happens when we know there's all these other variables that play such a huge role in how your body responds. It's like so hard to say for sure. It is, and you have to look at how behaviors, like for example, if you look at studies on vitamins, people who take vitamins tend to have better health. But we don't necessarily know if it's because of the vitamins or because healthy people who value their health and exercise and diet tend to also take vitamins. That's got a fact for us. Yeah, I have a kind of a theory here. So this study was done between 1991 and 2009. And the first year that McDonald's went to China, it was in 1990. Oh, so you think it was like Egg McMuffins? So I was in China, I went to China like three times in the 90s. And there was McDonald's, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Pizza Hut, everywhere. Yeah. So all of our best. Is that factored into this study as well? Wow, interesting. Yeah, because if you eat an Egg McMuffin, there's your egg. Yeah, with your hash browns from there. But they're cutting out the McMuffin part. I heard they're bringing the McRib back. The McRib? Yeah. No, they aren't. Yeah, they are. They always do. It's like they bring it back once a year. Like for a while. Can I tell you that the McRib disappoints me every time, for whatever reason, every time I have to eat it? I've never had it. You've had it? Oh, I've never had it. I've never had it. It's processed pork meat? Well, you are the undercover fast food eater that we don't know about. Yeah. Yeah. You know, what's going on here? Ambassador of Health? I'm gonna have to take that sash back. I feel like you're gonna have to snatch it. We've talked about like fast food stuff lately. You've been the only guy I had fries. You can call me Obesity of Health now, nowadays. Did you see that? There was a video that Rachel posted of one of my fit tips or whatever. A couple comments on it. Because I was talking about food. Like, food order and if you need this order. Couple comments underneath like, looks like Sal's been eating everything lately, huh? Thanks, guys. People love to pile it on. It just makes me feel really good. Oh, dude. Welcome to the club. Yeah, yeah. Hey, speaking of companies, we're talking about tech companies and companies that are doing really well with the shutdowns. I gotta imagine companies that mail, you said direct to consumer. Yep. Are you following along with our sponsor Public Goods and see how well- Oh yeah, crushing right now. They have to. Oh, good. Especially them because they, I mean, for a lot of reasons. One, they're likely, you know, online, direct to consumer Costco type of brand. So you're getting like these whole sale type prices. They offer so much stuff too. So it's like all your household goods that everybody needs anyways. Think of things like cleaning supplies and all that stuff, which has all gone through the roof everywhere. And then to be able to get whole sale type prices through them. Yeah, no, they're crushing. And then their model of like, you know, less chemicals, less packaging, you know, very, very, you know, green-minded. That's gotta be one of the factors as to why they're doing so well. Yeah, it's interesting. I've been very conscious of that. Like limiting a lot of like, you know, plastic packaging and like getting rid of like a lot of the chemicals in the house. And it's, you know, you want to think that, obviously, you're not going to feel that initially, but over time, I feel like I've felt the difference. Well, this is how I've always felt. And now that we are seeing brands like Public Goods come out, which are making it more affordable. Like it was different when it was like, okay, you know, buy this, you know, brand of Windex, which has got all this chemicals and crap in it. And it costs, you know, a dollar or something. And then if I want to go get like the organic version that doesn't have anything that doesn't work, it's like seven dollars. Yeah, it doesn't work very well. And it's like seven dollars. Water and lemon essence. Yeah, yeah. So things like that, just like 10 years ago, that's what it was like. So, and that's something like, okay, it's not like I'm drinking my Windex. So I'm not really worried about stuff like that. It's good for yourself. But so now, now that you're starting to see these companies emerge that are, that are offering these types of products for reasonably priced. And then it's like, hey, what is, it's not a big leap for me to change my dishwasher soap or my laundry detergent and make it healthier and better, especially if the price point is relatively close to what these on brands that are using all these chemicals. So yeah, I think that's what's happening is I think more and more people, even if you're not, you know, running around with a tinfoil hat, afraid that all these things- Just think about your skin health, your hair, you know, like all the, I just think people don't consider that even. Like it's never been something they'd even think about. Speaking of waste, did you guys know that recycling is not what it used to be nowadays? You guys know this? Well, it's been that way for a long time. As far as the waste, we're not even able to use it, like half of it. Dude, so we used to sell a lot of our plastic and cardboard and stuff to China and they would buy it off of us. And so that's how we would recycle, essentially, is they take it and use it. Nobody wants it. Nobody's buying it anymore. And it costs more money and is more wasteful to do the recycling thing or whatever. So what they do with all your recycling is they throw it away. This is what they do now, except for, I think, aluminum. And I want to say glass. Everything else is essentially, and I'm not making, look in metal, yeah, metal, look this up. I'm not making this up. It's almost a waste of time now to recycle so many of the stuff. I think it's been this way for a while. I've heard that before. So sad I showed Jessica and she was so angry because she's like a stickler. Like if I throw something the wrong thing, we're going to get to fight. Oh yeah, for a while. Oh, that's funny. Especially going to the dump, you know, it's like, there's only like few items that they even care to recycle for you anymore. Yeah. Yeah, no, that's how I know because Jessica got mad at me so many times. I was like, oh. Well, that's another thing. And I looked it up and like. I've seen more and more brands doing what Public Goods does too, which I think is also really cool, is when you buy the first initial thing, like whether it be like the, you know, window washing stuff, detergent. You get the original bottle. Yeah, you get the original. And then going forward, they send you refills. Yeah, it's the refills. I always thought that was a good idea. I always thought to myself, a company should do that because it would save them money. It would probably save the consumer money. Right. And it's way less waste. Way less waste. Because you just reuse the same container and now you have a bag or whatever full of yourself. You recycle, reduce, reuse. Join the loop. You guys remember, if it's yellow, let it mellow. If it's brown, flush it down. Yeah. Do you guys remember that? Flushing toilets. Yeah, yeah. So you're not supposed to flush if it's pee? Yeah, yeah. No. Hey, I got a new show for you, Justin. It's called Wayne on Prime. Yes. Yes. Did you see it? I watched one episode of Wayne. I've gotten a couple recommendations. Then you said that over text and I was like, all right, I'm going to watch this. So what is it? So did you like it? I did. I knew you would like it. Yeah, dude. It was, yeah, I was right up my alley. It was kind of like, at first it was a little off-putting because this guy- Oh, it's very different. This guy just comes out and gets his ass kicked. And anyway, I don't want to ruin the plot of it or anything, but it's kind of cool. It's like he's sort of this anti-hero. He's kind of trying to do the right thing. But he's in this really sort of shitty situation. Yeah, it's a- Is he a superhero? So did you like, no. Do you like the writing of Deadpool? Yeah. You like that kind of humor? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's dark. It's that. It's very dark. Very dark humor. Also got some seriousness to it. It reminds me of the flow of watching Deadpool. Like one minute you're really into it, great action scenes, fighting crazy. Then it makes you laugh. And it's kind of like sick, dark humor. It's very sarcastic because the circumstances around him are so bad. You know how you get like when somebody like is going through hell and they're just like, yeah, well, I guess this is happening. You know, it's got that kind of vibe. It's a high school boy who has gone, I'll share this without ruining this show at all. It's a high school boy who is like the unlikely hero because he's his dad is dying of cancer. His mom fucking left him when he was a kid. He's poor as shit, gets beat up and stuff like that. So he grows up in this rough ass neighborhood, but he's like tough as nails. Yeah. And he has this chip on his shoulder about like protecting the like the underdog, the kids that get bullied at school, the people that get picked on. Oh, I like it already. Exactly. Yeah, I like it. It's a great story. He never lies. Like he can't lie. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's like, but then he's like kind of like this badass little bit. You know what I'm saying? He takes a beating, but then he also will give it to guys that are Yeah. And then it's bullying other people. And it's got Deadpool's kind of graphics. So like the fights are like kind of brutal looking. It's not like. Oh, wow. Maybe I'll watch out my son. Yeah. No, you guys will like it. You guys will definitely. Right away. I thought of Justin for sure. I know would love it, but I think everybody I'm trying to find something to do with them because I'll break this. He's a teenager now. So he did this to me the other day and realized how much it hurt my feelings. He was like, we were talking. He's like, oh, black mirror. Did you watch that episode? And we're going back and forth. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, have you seen all the seasons? He goes, no, I haven't seen. I only saw the first season. I'm like, dude, let's watch one tonight. Just you and I. And he's like, nah. Just no, no reason. Just my heart, dude. That's kind of lame. I'm like, do I force him? It's like, I'm like, you're going to watch that show. It sounds like the popular, the nerdy kid asked the popular kid to hang out. And he's like, nah, I'm cool. He's like, nah, I'm cool. I feel you pained. Like now I'll watch YouTube. I'm like, fuck. It hurt me, dude. We went for a walk the other day with the babies. I'll push him in the stroller or whatever. And I'm giving him hugs and stuff. I'm a very physically affectionate father. And I can tell he's a little bit uncomfortable, but which just makes me pour it on even more. And I told him, I said, listen, kid. I said, I know you don't like working out that much. I said, but that's your only option to fight me off because I'm going to hug and kiss you and squeeze you. And the more you push me away, I said, I promise you, you keep pushing me away. I'm going to pick you up and hold you like a baby in my arms and walk down the street. And so he's like, ah, I got to get stronger. And I will do that. I will literally pick him up, hold him, and then kiss him in front of everybody. Man, I swear this day is coming, right? Everyone keeps telling me. Because right now, Max is still going through this phase of like, he's so attached to me, dude. And I'm trying to be like this, I mean, I am. I'm a very present father, right? And I do a lot of things with him. And so I'm trying to like suck it all up because everyone says like, it's only a matter of time before. You're just not cool. Yeah, you're not cool. He doesn't want to do anything with you anymore. And I'm like, it's so hard to, I guess we're where I'm at in it to even see that or comprehend that. Right now it's like, I have to like sneak out of the house to get out of the house. It sucks I can't even like go say goodbye to him because if he sees me and I'm leaving, like he'll, ah, he'll make a big old deal about it. Eat it up, dude. Yeah, eat it up. Every time I get home, my boys attack me like clockwork. You just wait. Yeah, dude, they want to wrestle. And it's like, if I don't do that, you know, it's going to stop. And I don't want it to stop. Yeah. So you still got that. You still come home. Oh, yeah. 100% and they get super excited because it's like, yeah, dad. Like it's like, all this pent up energy they couldn't use that, they just use it all. It doesn't stop until they're probably 14, 15, 16, like right around there. And then it's cool, but you're just dad. You know what I mean? Yeah. You're not like that. And then when they get older, then you're cool again. So what I envision it like that age, so and so does this happen for you is, you know, because I get that, right? He doesn't, you see, don't get caught up in the like, you're going to try and be cool thing like, oh, he's 16. I know what I'll do with him. We'll go like, you know, do some cool. I mean, just watching him like, do you see so much of yourself at that point? Because I feel like that's when like, that's when that would really start to show. Somewhat. I mean, he's got a lot of me, but then he's also different than I am. He's more quiet than I am. I wouldn't call him an introvert. He's definitely not insecure. He'll be confident to talk or whatever, but he's a little different. And he doesn't show, he doesn't wear his emotions and stuff on a sleeve. You were more like that. I was more expressive, I would say, you know, verbally expressive. Now, if you get down in a converse, especially if you debate with him, then he won't shut up. And then you're going to go back and forth for whatever and he's gonna try and make his case all day long. Which is totally you. Which is totally me, right? Yeah. But no, he's a little different than I am. Now, my daughter's a little different. She's turning 11 actually today. And what I'm noticing with her is she's becoming more daddy's girl. So I feel like when she's a teenager, her and her mom are probably gonna butt heads like crazy. But dad is gonna be daddy, you know what I mean? And I've seen this with my, with my sisters too, to some extent. When they had their teen years, they were more like, you know, with dad or whatever and fought my mom more. So I'm hoping, you know, I'm hoping she doesn't get to the where she rolls her eyes. Oh my God, dad. First question is from Nate Fagan. How effective is power building? Power building, I haven't, you know. It's popular now, right? That's not something that was around like just. Yeah, this is like a fairly new term, isn't it? No, so, okay. The first time. Yeah, give us the, give us the, the, the. The history of it. Yeah. So the first time I heard of the term power building. I heard, do you guys remember Skip LeCour? I think it's his name, Skip LeCour. He was a natural. We'll do quotations, bodybuilder in the 90s. Kind of jacked. Kevin Lavrone sometimes would talk about power building. And there were other bodybuilders that weren't necessarily high-ranking bodybuilders, but they were popular and flex magazine and muscle and fitness that would talk about power building. There's one guy in particular. I can't remember his name. It'll come to me. But he would do these insane looking lifts where he got like seven plates on a bench press and then there's like two spotters on each side and he never really competed, but he called the way he trained power building. The way it tends to be used today is I like to bodybuild, but I like to use bad form and heavy weight. Is that what the way you think? Thanks for clarifying that for me. That's the way it tends to be used. And that's also the way that it was kind of used in the 90s. It was like heavy bodybuilding and looser form. Now the question is- That reminds me, who's the bodybuilder that trains that way? Texas guy, white dude. Branch warm. Yes, branch warm. Yes, exactly. Okay. Now Michael Hearn talks about power building all the time. Michael Hearn has good form. Yeah. He trains with good form. He's probably one of the most genetically gifted people on the planet. The dude was a powerlifting champion when he was 18 or whatever. And when he lifts, he's just strong. He'll do incline presses, full range of motion. Four plates. I think he's in his late 40s now, if I'm not mistaken. So if you combine powerlifting and bodybuilding, and you do it the right way, what you're going to get is an incredible physique. You're going to be very strong. You're going to build great muscle. I think they both are extremely complementary. Now, if you power build, like I talked about earlier, with just loose form and bodybuilding exercises, where you're swinging things and you care more about the weight than your technique and form, you're just probably going to hurt yourself. I think we just gave two great examples, right? So Branch Warren versus Michael Hearn. And I think Branch has had all kinds of injuries and issues. Like he's always battling all kinds of stuff, and he's the kind of like push through it type of guy who cares and isn't really particular about his form. And then you have somebody like Michael Hearn who's into his late 40s, still lifting, still strong as an ox and looks amazing. So perfect example of what you get if you take it to the extreme, right? If you take it as a way to just get away with sloppy form versus, no, there's some value in training this way, but it doesn't mean that technique goes out the window. So what is the actual programming of a power build look like? I mean, obviously they're incorporating power lifts within that. So it's like basically just compound lifts, but also like the accessory work. Is that am I off? So it's usually I'm looking to go heavy. I'm doing curls. I'm going to swing a little bit more, curl the hundreds instead of the 60s. A little more English involved. Yes. Or there's also cases where people started out as power lifters and then moved into bodybuilding. Ronnie Coleman is an example of this. Well, so I don't find it that much different than that way we write programs, right? So when I think of like bodybuilding, like the typical protocol as far as programming used to be like this eight to 12 rep range, or even like maybe going down to six to eight reps, right? But I see having a power building routine with singles doubles and triples or having five by fives, and which is more of your power lifting type of protocol. But I mean, if you look the way we write programs, that's incorporated in almost every single program that we write. In different phases, but I'm wondering if they're combining that, like they're merging them together. So you do like ones, but then you also do sets of 15, like within that same set. Well, I mean, maybe, I mean, I'm sure there's somebody who's wrote programs with that. But I mean, I think we would sit here and argue that it would be way more valuable to run it like a mezzo cycle where you're focused on power lifting for a month or so, and then you move into a more body building, hypertrophy type training, and then you move into a more strength or endurance type of training. So that's what's so funny is a lot of this, to me, is marketing. You know, it's just a new term or a new way to look at it. But the truth is, I think both that, both body building type training protocol, power lifting type training protocol, belongs in most everybody's routine. It's just, you know, we tend to think of extremes of it all the time. And it's like, no, I think everybody, even some lady who comes to me that wants to lose, you know, 50 pounds and she's 45 plus years old, she should go through a, you know, body building and a power lifting type of routine where, which is, we're talking about tempos and rest and sets and exercises that fall into that category. That person still greatly benefits from that. Appropriate technique and, you know, like weight that's like appropriate for all that stuff. They're going to get great benefit from it. They are, you know, training for hypertrophy, connecting the muscles, getting the pump versus training for strength, training the movement rather than feel, you know, focusing on the big core three lifts type of thing. They compliment each other quite a bit. And it's, if you're, if you really want to develop a great physique and you do it smart and you train smart, you want to do both. You want to train in one's phase and then move into another phase. You're going to get tremendous results. Now, as you get older, the risk with lifting heavy might increase a little bit, in which case you'll probably do more body building than power type lifting. But for the most part, they're both extremely beneficial. And look, you know, back in the day, even now before the nineties, when I was, when I'm talking about what the power of the builders, all body builders trained for strength. That was a thing. Like, in fact, it was almost embarrassing, especially in the forties, fifties, sixties, the thirties, those days of body building. It was embarrassing to lift weights just for looks. Nobody admitted that. It was silly. It was like, oh, no, I'm actually really strong. And then it became okay to say, I just lift four for looks. But, you know, Arnold used to do power lifting cycles all the time. Him and Franco Colombo. Next question is from Carly Ocica. What value does a Zercher squat provide that a front squat doesn't? I find that the pain of holding the bar in the crook of my arms for a Zercher squat limits the weight I can lift way before my muscle strength does. So I wonder if I should just front squat instead. Yeah, a few things with this. So you'll get this argument too with the wrists. So the wrists are, if you're actually performing a front squat, like a lot of people can't really they don't have the mobility in the wrists to even kind of pull that off. And so they'll fold their arms. And, you know, so there's different techniques. Also, like with the Zercher, you know, this is where I do like recommend you probably put a pad there if that's an issue for you. Like you could solve a lot of, you know, that discomfort with just, you know, one of those pads there. But really like just having the weight in a different place, you're going to get a different type of recruitment. And you're going to receive a different benefit from that. So it's just a look at it as a different exercise completely. Two totally different exercises. Yes. Yes. The weight is in front of you on both of them. But one of them, the weight is down closer to your midline. You have a longer lever. It's not a deadlift. So it's not your full arm, but it is at the elbow. So you have a lever in front of you. It's going to put the different placing of the weight is going to activate and work your muscles a little bit differently. A Zercher squat mimics how you tend to pick things up and lift them more than even a deadlift. Because when you hold things, you keep it in real close. You tend to hold it real close. I never did Zercher squats until we wrote Maps Strong. And then we put Zercher's in there. Performance. And performance, right? And I started to do them more often. And what I noticed from them was mid-back development, glute development. I got more glute activation with the Zercher squat than I did with the front squat for sure. It's actually Jessica's favorite squat now. Well, it's, I mean, there's a reason why it's in performance and it's in strong. And it's not, we don't, it's not programmed in every other program, right? So I don't, I don't think it needs to be a staple exercise for everybody. But when you talk about functional training, that's why it's in performance. And obviously for strongmen lifts and stuff, that type of training is extremely important to be able to pick up stones and whatever the other atlas, whatever the atlas stones and what are the other, like sandbags and everything else that are very centric to the body. Right. It makes a ton of sense. So, and when you think about what you, you know, if you were to bend over in real life and pick up something that weighed a hundred and something pounds or more, you know, think about exactly how you would carry it. Bags of concrete, bags of dog food, you know, things from Costco, you know, boxes. Even if you pick up your friend or your spouse or friends. Or kids. Furniture, couch, whatever, you know what I'm saying? Anything is going to be close to the midline like that. You're going to hold it in tight and you're going to pick it up, right? So, yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a very functional exercise to emulate things that you would probably do in real world. You get strong at doing that. You're less likely to hurt yourself doing one of those movements. Now, talking about it for only building muscle or burning body fat. Like, yeah, if I had a client that that's all they cared about, they're not looking for real world functional strength. And they're saying, Adam, can I do a different exercise besides this that bothers me so much or I hate it? Then, yeah, I would, I would exchange it with another movement. But obviously, if this person is doing this and it's something we programmed, they're following either performance or strong, which I would think you're interested in either the strong lifts and movements, which this obviously pertains to that, or you're interested in performance and real world strength, which is what performance is all about. Yeah. And what I like about the Zercher 2 is like, again, you have a barbell so you can load that substantially. If it's a goal of yours to get really strong in that lift, like the Atlas Stones very similar in terms of like, except for, you're going to do a little bit more rounded back lifting with that, which is challenging because not a lot of people, it's not an ideal posture to be in, but it's also important to strengthen that to be able to navigate through that position because that's a real world position. Yeah, it's the good kind of rounded back lifting, right? So rounded back, I'm not referring to rounded lower back or bad posture. I'm referring to the shoulder blades, not being pinned back, but rather being slightly rounded forward, which is how you lift things in the real world. And that position right there, you want to get stronger too. You don't want to just have a strong back with your shoulder blades pinned back. You want them to be strong with your shoulder blades in different positions. Zercher squats encourage that. That's why I noticed I got good mid-back development from it. Yeah, we're not posture robots. Next question is from Zach Toos. What program would you recommend for someone who wants to maximize benefits while losing weight? I don't want to lift just to maintain muscle. I want to improve other things at the same time. I'd imagine something like map performance would be good because it would help maintain muscle while also improving other athletic factors that won't be minimized during weight loss. Yeah, if I had to recommend one program for someone to do forever, that will give them best of all worlds, right? You're going to get muscle strength. You're going to get some stamina, some endurance. You're going to get mobility. You're going to reduce your risk of injury. You're going to feel really good and only could do one of our programs. It would be mass performance. It really would because it takes all those things into account. Now, here's the wonderful thing about taking all those things into account. Long term, the side effect of that is you look the best, okay? So it might not be a bodybuilding program like Maps Aesthetic, but in the long term, because of the improvements in mobility, fitness, and functional strength and movement, you're going to just look better long term. You're just going to overall be much healthier. This is something that I think is important people consider, especially aesthetically driven people. Like if your goal is just to look good, and that's one of your favorite aspects of fitness, and you plan on working out forever like you should, then you need to consider your mobility and your functional movement. You need to consider those things because if you start to lose mobility, if your functional movement starts to decline, which it will, if you don't consider them in your training, those will start to decline. You'll start to lose the benefits of your favorite exercises. You'll start to lose the benefits of a squat. You'll start to lose the benefits of a deadlift. And what will end up happening, which I've seen many, many times in people who've been lifting for 10 plus years, is that they end up removing exercises from their repertoire. I used to be able to front squat. Now I don't anymore because it hurts this. Oh yeah, I used to bench press. Now I can't anymore. And you start taking away some of the best exercises all because you never considered mobility. It's like that repetitive stress. Like at a certain point, you keep doing the same thing over and over again in the same plane, your body is going to start to respond to that negatively. And I do agree with this program being one of those that addresses all the abilities of the human body and really takes into account joint function, joint health, movement in general. And so all those things, like if you're just focusing on that, your musculature will benefit as a result of that. And again, your physique will be desirable, but also it's more long-term. So it's more about quality, quality of how I feel and how I can do things and still have abilities versus just, I can be really strong or I can be really buff, which are very important things as well. But this is not one of those, it's like very direct in terms of those attributes. We're all going to say the same thing. I mean, MAP's performance is the program that I find myself going back to as far as the elements in it. So unilateral training in there, anti-rotational stuff in there, mobility work. When I think of how I lift today, where it's just more focused on general health, strength, good mobility, these are the things that I want long-term. Yeah, this is the single program that I think that somebody could probably run the rest of their life and be completely fine. You're going to build a great physique from it. You're going to stay healthy, stay fit. It's even got an endurance component in there. So you got some cardiovascular like out of it. So this program for sure is that program, although I think all of them are written in a way that you could follow them for long-term and be totally fine because we cycle and phase everything. This one I think addresses a lot of stuff that I remember having to address with all my clients. Next question is from Grant Setterswate. When following a program, when is it advisable to go off-script for the sake of fun? Oh, well, fun is great when it comes to exercise. Even if it slows down your progress in the short term, if you learn to enjoy exercise, the likelihood that you'll do it consistently in long-term is much higher. I mean, I used to use this example with my clients all the time because they would always ask me questions like, what's more effective? Like riding a stationary bike or walking on the treadmill on an incline or what's more effective working out in the morning or working out in the afternoon? I said, okay, I said, look, here's the deal. Let's say waking up at 4 a.m. and swimming in a cold lake was twice as effective than going for walks after work with your kids. Does that mean you're going to do it more consistently? Is it going to be more effective or are you going to stop doing it because it's 4 a.m. and it's a cold lake? When it comes to having fun, that's a very important component with exercise. If you enjoy what you're doing, again, you're more likely to keep doing it. And so I think if you're thinking long-term, going off the script to enjoy yourself, probably always a great idea. Now, if you have a timeline, if you're an athlete, if you are going to compete at a particular time, if you have a very specific goal, well, sometimes going off script for the sake of fun might not be a good idea. You know, if I'm a bodybuilder, I'm going to be on stage in four weeks and rather than going to the gym to work my back, I'm like, you know, it'd be more fun if I went mountain bike riding. Maybe not a good idea because that'll hurt my score on stage. Otherwise, I think this is a good thing for most people. Now, what we typically recommend is for most people, for example, let's say you signed up for one of our workout programs, the first time through, follow it like it's laid out. The second time around, start making changes. Listen to your body. Do things you might find a little bit more fun. Start to learn your body. That's such an important part of longevity when it comes to fitness. I think that this is off the script and fun is how I train all the time. The only time that I was following something to a tee was competing. And for the reasons that you just alluded to was, you know, I had a timeframe. I had to improve my physique every single time I got back on stage and I had a small window between every show. And so there was every day counted. Every, everything I ate counted, every workout counted. And that's what makes it like a sport because I'm competing against other people. Anybody else who didn't treat it that way probably didn't do as well. But for real life and enjoying the gym and training, I think it's important to do this. I think you should do this more often than not. You just got to know that. It's okay that if, and then we talk about this on the show a lot, right? Sometimes a workout for me might be literally the whole hour is centered around squatting. Me getting down and doing some 90-90 stuff, then going doing a set and then assessing how my movement is. Then going back and doing some combat stretch and then going back to the squat and then assessing how my squat is again. And then maybe doing some single leg stuff to prime or doing some jump block stuff to get me right. Playing with an exercise for an entire hour to see how I can improve it and really pay attention to where my breakdown is like, I like that. I enjoy that. Or an exercise like the Turkish Getup, which some people think is a waste of time. And we talk about all the values and the benefits of getting good at it. So maybe my training for a while sometimes is all about the Turkish Getup. Like everything about making the Turkish Getup, which means I'm doing all that and anything else that I do is to compliment that. So for example, if I go to do a Turkish Getup and I lack good, my shoulder is not, I'm not holding the kettlebell above my head right because of my shoulder mobility. So then the other exercise I'm doing is to get more mobile shoulders so I can be better at my Turkish Getup. Like now, training this way, I know I'm not building the most muscle I possibly can that week or I'm not burning the most body fat. But what I do care about is that it's benefiting me. It's giving me a new goal or a focus and it's fun. And it's what keeps me always coming back to the gym and it makes it easy to be consistent because it doesn't always have to translate into the scale and my body fat percentage and how much weight is on the bar. So I think this is a very important aspect of training. I think most of us should train in the fun place. But I do agree with Sal that I think it's very important that everybody follows something that's been that it's been written by a professional first. So you so you understand like what good programming does for your body if you want to make quicker or faster changes and how your body should feel when it's program exercises are programmed correctly and sets and reps and you cycle in and out of phases. So you know what that's like. And then after you understood got a good concept of that, then I encourage this way of training. Yeah, the truth is people who constantly work out to hit a goal are not nearly as consistent long term as people who work out because they enjoy the workout. So remember that for yourself. It's great to have goals. It's great to want to hit those goals. But what's going to keep you consistent long term or forever is that you enjoy what you're doing. Well, it's a difference with really like turning that into a lifestyle or not. And again, I can't help but think it's sports like going into it like looking at a very specific thing that I have to do. And so you're very rigid and being disciplined because it's all riding around this type of work that you put into now to them perform. If you don't have that kind of restriction and that kind of timeline and temp like it's crucial to add fun things to mix it up just because it's all about frequency. It's all about constantly moving your body and that's what's going to pay off long term. Excellent. Look, Mind Pump is recorded on video as well as audio. So you can come watch us on YouTube, Mind Pump podcast. You can also find us all over social media including Instagram and now also on Parler. You can find Justin at Mind Pump, Justin, me at Mind Pump, Sal, Adam at Mind Pump, Adam and Doug at Mind Pump, Doug. I go on there and I'm just looking at comments because I haven't visited in a while and some asshole puts, he goes, yeah, I've been listening to these guys for a long time. You think they were jacked but they're not. Ouch. I was like, wow dude. Like I was going for the jugular one. 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