 Hey everyone and welcome back to the second class on worship ministry Let's continue from the bottom of page 43. We are talking about worship ministry in the local church The organizational aspect of it the administrative aspect the organizational aspect of worship ministry So we just finished discussing about the seven roles of a worship pastor And so we continue learning about The different roles of different teams right we start off with a worship team members the role of the worship team members In any local church worship team one of the things that we look for is their commitment And have a firm commitment to the team to be regular to and present whenever required rehearsal pre-service prayer Etc. Etc. Right so different church related events conferences meetings and what not so commitment is a huge thing because that kind of Displaced their enthusiasm their cooperation their availability as a worship team member and whatnot right Must be open to receive correction and instruction be submitted to the authority Everything that they learned and from the David's worship team first Chronicles 25 It's kind of what we is also expected here with us commitment Are they open to receive correction instructions and submit to the authority? Etc. Etc. Right Going to page 44 we learn about rehearsal this is a It's a huge deal every worship team practices and rehearses right so very quick question for us What is the difference between practice and rehearsal? Anybody it's in the notes right there Any idea difference between practice and a rehearsal. Yeah, see Yeah, you go ahead someone was saying something Rehearsal is something we do it before doing it on the actual day That we are coming together and doing a rehearsal Right. Yeah Yeah, okay, I'm practicing is something we learn and Tune up our skills for that Yeah, yeah, thanks Rupa. Yeah Yeah, in a nutshell, that's it's what it is like what Rupa shared is the difference between practice and rehearsal is so Once again for every Sunday a song list is sent out on a Tuesday the latest by Wednesday to the worship team Right to the members of the worship teams with the with the song links like the YouTube link You know and say okay you guys this these these are the five songs that you would do Actually, let me see if I can I Kept any of Messages that I would normally send out so so, you know, what's up is the way to go. I sent out I we create a what's up group first and And like this is how as you know a message would look I've just put it in the chat section You know I sent this out. I sent a checklist out by on a Tuesday or Wednesday Okay, guys, this is these are the songs, you know, you can see this is from September 4th Very recently this month You know the song name the key that we will be doing it the song in The BPM is the beats per minute tempo of the song So everybody's praying to it so and see every praise We do three key changes from we start with F major we go all the way to a major It's at 103 BPM and once I've sent the names of song with the key and then You know like what I've sent for ministry time. I mentioned breakthrough the key of C major the tempo will be at 82 BPM And with the song link and they can listen to it And I similarly I send out the song links for every song that is mentioned so they can listen to it So once the song list is sent out They start practicing at home personally right in the notes. I've mentioned it's mentioned practice is personal and Rehearsal is relational. Okay, so practice is personal. So You know from Tuesday or Wednesday to Saturday until we meet for rehearsal Saturday usually is when you with me for rehearsal You have in the four days you sit and learn the song the chords. Are you you know the structure of the song? How many times are they? Repeating the core singing the chorus, you know, are they repeating it twice or thrice or four times? How many times are they singing the bridge? What are the what is the chord progression for the bridge? You all kind of not done actually everything is here. It's a pretty interesting that most of my books So I don't know how much of this, you know So if you can see what song is this okay, or it's the here is Every praise and I have the flow of the song. I mean, so everything is penned out. Basically. I'm sorry guys I know you can't see it Yeah, and then personal time so you map the song out the structure of the song how many times the verse is being sung What's the chord progression? What is the rhythmic pattern? And all of that so this is what you know We expect of our team members to do in their personal time you practice and you prepare Personally you structure the songs etc. Etc. Right and then when you meet for rehearsal It's more relational right as mentioned now then usually okay, you know Hey guys, you know, I know I sent the song for forever rain I had originally sent it to them in the key of a major Right and everybody practiced in the key of a major for the third song for ever rain And then when we met for rehearsal in a studio and I you know, it is because it's relational I would I communicated with them saying, you know a major is a little low for me So I think you know be major would be better. Let's take it up a little higher And so that's relational right so you already learned the parts no problem But then now you're rehearsing and you're making all these small tweaks changes I sometimes you might increase the tempo of the song from 83 to 87 or you might decrease it Like for breakthrough the ministry time song from 82 We brought it all the way down to 77 because we felt it was a little bit more rushed and the congregation will Not be able to sing it all these factors will be taken into consideration during the rehearsals So what you do personally at home in your jam room is practice and what happens together You know in a studio when you meet the team members is what is rehearsal Okay, so that is expected of the team member as well So all of this is a part of an organizational aspect the way it's organized the way it's planned Off a worship ministry, you know, we're getting more hands on deck kind of thing Right, so some of the things that happen or should happen at a rehearsal is Praise and worship the team spends time in God's presence worshipping in unity. We pray You know, if there's something that God's put in someone's heart to share They are welcomed. They are encouraged to teach or share. I have a short time of prayer You know discussion of the songs and the run through of the entire setlist itself Okay Some of you are like is it why am I learning about all these things? Are you know, I'm not going to be playing any instrument or guys you Hang in there Okay, you might be overseeing a worship ministry. You'll never know so, you know Well, I wish I could teach all the subject in in person so we could have could see your faces It's quite fun. Um, but anyways So that is the rehearsal part of it the practice and the rehearsal Christopher you yeah, you have a question Oh, yes, pastor. I actually had I I was surprised. I wasn't sure I was I was gonna ask the question how this was done. So basically what you're saying is that You know the the vocalist the bass player in the guitar is the guitar the drum. They all practice so separately Yes, and then they come together on a Saturday and and and meet So, um, I was actually thinking that it was kind of, you know, it is really actually a group effect from from the from the beginning itself um, but you see any sort of um You know challenges with the, you know For example the drama of example, I mean, how does he how does he he actually how does he practice easy practicing with the With the music, um, that's going on in the video. Uh, for example Uh, no that I would normally leave it up to them like the individuals, uh, as in because They're they're always free to approach me and ask is like hey, uh, how do I do this thing and whatnot? But then all the practice happens privately like individually they work on their parts Uh, you know, they the for example the the guitar electric guitar if a song Uh, like say come alive It has an like the acoustic guitar intro if you would listen to it like jing jing jing That's my part. So I have to work on it, uh, you know before I get to the rehearsal and um, and so yeah, that's how it works but challenges Are always there christopher as worship I mean, there will be rehearsals where people will come and say is like I didn't get you know because of work I did not have the time to prepare or practice They would have not learned or the structure of the song and all of that and um, you know, those are the times when I Pray and ask god give me grace to be you know gentle and Uh, but I mean all kidding aside, but challenges are there But when the song list is sent out, we expect the team members to spend time practice and come prepared for the rehearsal They have to come prepared for the rehearsal. That's the expectation Hence all these charts, you know, uh, even though we've played the song like a hundred times and whatnot. We don't Uh Don't be overconfident just you know Just make time to prepare because you're talking we are talking about worshiping god here Um, so yeah, I hope that makes sense. So so just um, just strictly, I mean just um, just a question At the rehearsal, I mean because you're now at least about How many people? Six Six no, I'm talking about the the worship team by itself. It's about really 50 60 people right about 50 people at the moment Yeah, yeah, so when they come for years, so Yeah, um, where I just logistically just an answer now. So do you you're all meet the other or is it like a Meet in separate locations or yeah, so, uh, if you remember I shared the roster, right? And the last class of how the roster looks where each uh every sunday There's a different individual different team roster scheduled to lead in worship. So not all 50 people will be in one location So, you know, there'll be two people at different locations that say north or two people leading at east and whatnot This is in line with the the central team apc central where there's a larger congregation Everything is a little bit more big And so usually the the size of the team is about six It's a six member band or a team. So they will meet in a jam room Sorry, so when you when you say that Uh, so in central for example, do you all do you all meet in the in the in the in the church? I mean or uh in the when you Was it more of a online kind of a session that you'll have Online kind of session was happening during the pandemic, but uh No, so there are these studios that we rent uh, so studios with instruments, uh, you know, that's available Where they charge us approximately 500 rupees per hour And so we we block it for say three hours or so and uh, and the church pays for it And we we meet therefore rehearse rehearse And then meet on sunday as well. So sunday another thing is Because sunday morning with our service at central starts at 10 30 a.m The setup team the sound team and the worship team meets at 8 a.m For another time of sound check and a quick run through of the songs Right. Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome to I mean if any of you are in bangalore, uh, if And you attend central you are most welcome to attend Come in at eight o'clock just to see everything that happens the setup You know the sound check and whatnot. So it'll be a nice insight, you know to see everything that happens behind the stage Also for you to go behind the stage and see how they set up the led Screens the walls and whatnot. So you're most welcome to do that. So I'm just putting it out there Say did you raise your hands? Was there something that you wanted to add or ask Are you you kind of touch on it? I was going to ask because I've had the opportunity to be in a choir and I have friends who inquire And one of the major problems is you send out the songs People don't practice They wait till they come for your house or and you're kind of From scratch and you stay longer. So I just wanted to ask from your own experience Are you've been able to cope and encourage people to practice? Yeah See there's I can't really mince words here. It's it's very frustrating. I'll put it It's it can get very irritating and frustrating but But yeah, you keep encouraging them because the thing is it comes down to the individual that they need to understand Say for example, it begins with Coming just showing up on time for the rehearsal, right? So if in context of the choir member and I've also, you know, had the chance the privilege to be part of choirs You know if say two individuals are laid by say five or ten minutes if the two lead vocalists Who are leading and the choir is accompanying if they're late and they're waiting on them and they are laid by say five minutes My sir would always say it's not just five minutes. It's it's if it's a 60 member choir if it's it's five into 60 So we've wasted that much amount of time You know, it it starts it begins from there. It's being on time showing, you know, just being diligent faithful to rehearse to practice and come and so we need to keep instilling that and and as a leader With it has to we need to model that we need to be on time We need to come prepared with the notes, uh, you know This is movie called drumline. I'm not sure if you've seen it's a very old movie Drumline, uh, there's a quote that says, um You are late if you're on time You are on time when you're early I and and that's that that's my that's become my philosophy. You know, I try to be, uh You know instill that I try to model that first myself as be early and Yeah That's what it is. But you keep as as a leader you keep being an example and they're hoping that eventually they'll you know get The importance of it say so Thank you pastor You're welcome Okay. Um, so that's the rehearsal part. Um, the role of the band As you know, we've already touched on it, but one of the aspect is um skill, right? Uh, like we saw in first chronicles 25 Was seven you see that in the david's worship team all of them were skillful in what they did Right, so another quick question for us. What's the difference between our talent and a skill? Um a talent is more or less a natural endowment or a natural gift Okay a skill would either be um a talent that has been um furnished and um improved upon or a skill that is actually picked and developed over time So there's a clear difference between talent and skill More or less I could say in in in work a maybe in few words that um skill is the finished product Of a talent and why talent is kind of like the raw material that needs to be processed into skill Right. Yeah, I mean beautifully said. Um, yeah, nisha also says talent is natural skill is developed. Yeah Absolutely, I mean, uh, it again comes down to the point of you putting in that effort, right? Um um and So I come from uh, you know being being in a music college and uh, you know, where we have students coming in every year You know when I was part of the music college and also as a staff there Uh, when we have the interviews, uh, we ask them, it's like, why do you want to study music? Why do you want to do a degree in music? You say three four years of your life just reading music? Uh, the classic response we would get from the students Is uh music is my passion And rightly so in the beginning it will look like that. Uh, and in it's amazing in how fast that passion kind of fades away You know, because everybody who comes in and applies for a music college, they are naturally They're gifted like as we've mentioned, right? They are talented But and as soon as they realize some of them, uh, not all of them some of them You know when they realize that they need to put in an effort and grow And develop in their talent They don't want to do that. They don't want to put in the clock. You know the time to develop their skill um, right so uh And this is something that we uh once again, we constantly instill and you can instill in your team members as well to Be skillful to keep developing and it's very easy In this day and age for us to get outdated Like in the previous, I mean in the decades or so, you know, you could wait for You can get outdated in a year's time in in a couple of years time Uh, this is talking about my time You know, now you get outdated in a day's time Uh, right and so you have to keep upskilling That's the word that we use in these days. Isn't it up skill? We need to keep up skill and keep developing Uh, don't be satisfied. I don't think okay. I've done this. I know this and so we cannot become complacent Right and uh, god emphasizes this time and time again, uh, you know when god tells Uh tells moses about the tabernacle he moses doesn't just go and choose any some random people is like, all right guys You do this, but then it was very specific, isn't it? Uh, choose skillful people, uh, you know Who are anointed as well? So Being skillful is is a huge part of a role of a musician and the local church worship team And that cannot be emphasized Enough right so it's three things to remember about skill first is a skill is the gift from god Starts from being a talent and it is for his glory Isn't it guys? It's for his glory everything that you do in everything that we you and I are gifted in and talented in Um, and then we work on it The bottom line and the core of it all is is for his glory Um, does our skill our talent our gifts does it reflect him? Is it should always be the question right? Uh The bible says about david in psalm 78 verse 72 He skillfully led is right and then initially when sol was troubled, uh, you know Everybody asks okay Does do you know anyone who can who's skillful in playing the harp or a musical instrument and david was skillful that But remember he was still a shepherd boy Right, but it was his skill That made him stand before the in the presence of a king isn't it so, uh, you know It's our skill first of all is not for ourselves. That's another thing It uh, it's for it's to be a blessing For people around us and you know as we minister to him as we serve god as we minister to god, uh, you know Your skill is not for yourself. That's And then your skill is for his glory, right? That's the first thing Um skill must be developed. Uh, you know keep up skilling yourself You know encourage your team members to keep up skilling Uh in everything that they do And skill doesn't make worship more acceptable before god. So keeping in the top two points in mind It is possible Because of our fallen nature as human beings because of the fallen nature of the flesh Uh, it is possible to become arrogant Right, uh, you know it's like hey, I'm a skilled musician. I'm I'm you know, I'm I've been doing this for a while That it is possible for pride to creep in the spirit of entitlement to creep in you know spirit of arrogance to creep in And and you don't kind of begin to worship skill Uh, right, uh, I forget who says this, uh, you know We've talked about worship so much We have to be very careful not to worship worship Okay, um, and so that's very important. So skill doesn't make worship more acceptable before god We worship him skillfully because he is worthy Right and he's given us this gift and it's it's it should be our Our joy to go before our king And you know and say and I want to do this beautifully because you are worthy of of me putting in That extra 10 minutes and listening to the song detailing it Every small detail, uh, you know because you are worthy at the end of the day, uh, you know I Like the beautiful song says when the music fades all the stripped away and I simply come Uh, right I bring you more than a song Um, yeah, this is beautiful, isn't it? So that's one of the things to keep in mind and um And so the next section as we go, uh, just very quick pause Uh, yeah christopher go ahead All right. Yes pastor. I actually it's just a little bit of a personal kind of question Um, because one of the things I've I've noticed uh, I know when I've I've seen when I've heard some of the songs or rather seen some of the songs is that um, I think you uh, you personally have over the last Yes, I a few years Uh started, you know, uh getting accomplished in multiple instruments So it's you know, I I've seen you playing the bass guitar. I've seen you playing the rhythm guitar keyboards I think uh, I'm not sure what this but I think if I remember correctly, I think maybe I just started often playing the drums um So just wanted to understand, um, uh, you know, what was the kind of language in for it. I mean, are you Running to become a one man man No, so, uh I'm a drummer. I will always be a drummer once a drummer forever a drummer Uh then but Another thing is so for my dad's side mom's side My uncle my dad and they're all musicians dad used to play the guitar uncle used to play the drums It was one of my first inspirations to pick up the drumsticks I think it's something Something to do with the boys and you know, the drums is like they see the sticks and the legs and the hands When we was like, oh, we're all mesmerized and dummies So started with the drums. There was always a guitar at home and And I would go to church see these musicians play And then come back home and imitate You know, I would be playing something on the guitar. I would not know what I'm playing and then eventually learn. Okay That's the D major chord. Oh, that's the C major chord because it was there and uh, when I Chose to do my studies in music. I wanted to learn an instrument formally Because I was not formally trained until then it was in 2009 Um, so I chose piano. Uh, it was a nightmare to learn a new instrument um But I wanted to be trained formally and uh, if you can play the acoustic guitar You can kind of play the bass guitar a little bit because you know the notes and whatnot uh But that's the thing as in When I say I I like music I love music it's Not I really do. I like it's something about the sound. Uh, it does something to my body There's something in my body responds very differently to a good sound. Um, I can talk about acoustic guitars all day And so you would be bored Uh, you know and something about the raw sound of it to imagine Uh, the wood it was a tree a moment ago. Now it looks like this and uh, you know The engineering behind it the thought process behind bending the wood placing the sound hole using a certain strings um, and Finally for it to produce that sound. I'm like wow And so it's just my uh interest really my passion That made me venture I just explore the sounds of it It all began there not to learn an instrument But I wanted to explore the sound of each instrument and then got hooked on to it So I'm not planning to become a one band band. It's yeah so that's uh Thanks, Christopher. Um And it did not come easy. Uh, I'll just put that as a side note. Um, it did not come easy as most of you have mentioned. Uh When I was studying piano as my main instrument, uh And when you're surrounded by students who are studying music and all we talk about music Day and you know is day in and day out. We're only talking about music And I think I was sharing it with some of the students in bible college in person is uh Some of them would practice for You know, we would have classes from 8 30 a.m. In the morning We finished classes at 2 p.m. After lunch and then Students, you know, we would just practice from three o'clock All the way to I don't know seven o'clock and whatnot So six hours practice sometimes four hours three hours We would just sit and practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice, you know, playing Missy major scale up and down up and down up and down up and down Um, so music did not come easy for me Say that uh, you know even singing uh singing harmony It did not come easy and I'm not saying this in a proud way or anything like I practiced and whatnot uh The time and effort was put into it to develop a certain thing and um Yeah The encourage, uh, you know the team members to do that as well. So because I have to set an example, isn't it? So Okay, um, so page 45 uh, some of the skills of the worship leader that you can expect of when you when you decide to hire a worship pastor worship leader uh under your supervision is Some of the skills to note is uh effective musical skill um, are they efficient and proficient in their instrument Right, you know be acoustic guitar be whichever right do they know their Theory do they understand music theory? Are they able to read notations if necessary? That's not you know um By the effective, uh, you know musical skill organization and preparation Um organization and preparation or are they only like hey, no, I don't need to prepare. You know, I'm just spirit led all the time what not um And experience have to take into consideration their experience. Um, they're Um, how they how well they practice their practice patterns leadership ability Uh, because worship leading you are leading right? There is an element of leadership involved in leadership Either relational ability is very crucial why because They are leading the congregation members of the church Are they relational? How how how well do they relate with the congregation and It's not a one-way traffic, isn't it and how well does the congregation relate with the worship leader have they are they relatable? So relational ability their calling is very important. Um, and um Character can't underplay that card um the importance of uh the character and um the intuition natural gifting god's grace So some of the skills that you can look for and um, and if you were to ask me some of the important things that stands out key things is uh The character are non-negotiables if I may say the character they're calling their musical skill and um, they're um that experience Because with their experience comes relation leadership ability relational ability and everything else Right. Um, Harrison. Uh, go ahead. You have your question All right cost. So good morning from here All right. Um, I have two questions that is just like bogging my head right now Now you made mention of um You know one being careful of not being arrogant and prideful When you started seeing house key for your Now my question is this How do you manage this arrogant and prideful people? Oh boy, okay That that's one then secondly, um How do you manage A leadership that does not have any A musical background experience that is to say you have um Um a worship pastor or a music pastor. They cannot even play any instrument Okay, so sorry go ahead. Yeah, yeah, and um, it does not really have Musical understanding or the terminologies, you know behind music So how do you manage, you know, this kind of leadership and how do you manage this arrogant and prideful people In the music ministry. Thank you. You're welcome Uh, yeah That's another challenge right there, isn't it? The challenges are real in worship ministry guys Musicians are the most sensitive people on earth I mean among the artists, uh, you know, the creative people There are so many creative people painting painting and dancing and whatnot So musicians come under the category of arts artists, isn't it? They are very sensitive. Um How do you handle them See there is no There is no shortcut to correcting them when they have to be corrected pointing out Uh, you know in love correcting them in in love and whatnot Saying hey, that's that that kind of a behavior or an attitude is not Is not is not okay with the team and I want to share a real experience that uh, you know And so I was 18 when this happened so I was relatively new to the worship team and so The the guideline of the worship team then was again So you have to come for practice, you know on a Saturday if you are not If you don't show up for practice, you don't play on a sunday morning But this is quite sometime over 17 years ago And so and there was this seasoned musician in the church then Um, you know, he's been with the church for good over a decade Uh a drummer a very good drummer and whatnot. So, um, he did not come for the practice on saturday I happened to be there on saturday. I was not supposed to play the drums and the Pastor asked me to play the drums so for practice. I practice so the next sunday. I'm ready and So this person comes and says like, okay, hey, uh, you know Oh, you're playing the drums. No, no, I'm playing the drums. Uh, and whatnot. So the young guy as I was I was like, okay, you play the drums. I want anything to do What else can I say? Could I say have a set? So, yeah, please go ahead and play the drums. I'm fine. Absolutely fine with it But then the pastor came into the scene. Uh, he said was like, hey roshan, why are you not playing the drums? Uh, you know This person was not there. Okay, please, you know, so he made that person get up from the, you know, the drums Seat and then I had to see you can you imagine the awkwardness? Oh like, oh boy. It's so awkward uh and um And so this person was very offended very offended. Uh, he uh and was very bitter about that moment and um And so through the set and this he went back to the sound board, you know, there was the sound board is the mixer thing mixer console Uh through the set there was uh, you know, we have these small speakers next to our, you know The musicians on stage so that we can hear what we are playing we can hear what the worship leader is singing That's the those speakers are called monitors so, you know and Through the set he was increasing the volume decreasing the volume increasing the volume decreasing the volume He was just messing with us on stage and I'm not making this up. I don't have a reason for me to make this up. Um, but That was a display or an expression of so many things. Um, wrong and And so as the pastor was or the worship pastor of the church then not me Who was then there was an immediate corrective uh correction? Um Uh Plan that happened is that person was asked to you know be uh stepped down from the worship team And from every other responsibility because that was not acceptable. So, uh, how do you? You You speak with them, you know, you you see an elegant attitude or an attitude of pride and whatnot you address that issue uh, uh, say Couple of times two times three times for me. Uh, I would do is I would give them three chances Uh, you know, you correct them once you correct them twice you correct them twice and if it's recurring Then I am not going to be apologetic. Uh for For doing my job. I am the worship pastor. I have to correct Um, you know, I would give the person chance But then even if that person is older to me or younger to me or senior to me or whatnot Um, I'm accountable to pastor ashish. Um, so I'm not going to be sorry for doing my job saying is like hey This is not happening. You need to step down this behavior or attitude is not happening. And so I would do that To answer your second question Um, like what do I do about a person who's a worship pastor? Uh music pastor who does not? Um, who's not uh skillful or who does not know to play an instrument and whatnot There's two way to look at it. Now if I'm just a team member um I Is that that that's up to the senior pastor, isn't it to make that decision as in if he hired them Uh You I don't know what I would do like anything because I'm thinking as just a a team member I would be worried if I would be Uh misunderstood Or if I if I if I've seen myself as arrogant for example If I go if I go to the worship the senior pastor of the church and point out and saying Uh, hey pastor, you know this person is a worship pastor, but he doesn't know to play an instrument You know or anything about the music Um, my first fear is will I be misunderstood? Um Sorry Yeah, this one now. Let me maybe let me know use the word, you know A worship pastor. Let me say a music director That does not know how to play the instruments not even a chord, you know from the keyboard right and You don't even know how to separate parts Right And you're the music director. So how do we Can manage this kind of situation So it's more like, you know, when it is time for whereas are you like looking at everybody? Okay And what part is this what part is that and so on so forth? So For me now, I'm like asking myself you have people, you know, who can really Do in that position and address this thing adequately but Because of the fact that okay You're the leader or whatever it is You just have to appoint anybody, you know, you feel like appointing That's why I love, you know, when you said, you know, there's a need enough for us to have A good system They can make, you know Worship, you know, effective so if At the end of the day things are not placed properly We struggle Yeah And by the time, you know, you start talking Whether they misunderstand you or they don't misunderstand you Yeah, they'll always be a problem Yes so Yeah And so communication again as is key as you mentioned Harrison. So, uh, you know, if Uh, I would want to make so if I'm just a team member and if I see that, okay This leader is not efficient and and the whole group is feeling the impact of it because of The lack of a skill sort of say I would want to speak with my senior pastor because worship pastor is accountable to the senior pastor And the first thing that I would want to make clear is my intention Is my heart is to say that I'm not there to point out The negative of so and so And, you know, it's not to say that that person is bad. So I want to make that very clear, isn't it? Having having made my intentions clear to the senior pastor, then I would, you know, put across my concern saying, okay It's possible because of so and so because, you know, there's lack of this We are not able to follow or understand what Um, and so it is a sensitive thing and that's why I'm putting the intentions First and if a person understands and sees your heart Your intention for correcting the person or pointing out anything and you say and they see that okay You are for them and not against them So to speak, uh, then it becomes a lot easier And so, uh, it's the same thing. It's the same challenge. Uh, but most of my team members as well is There are challenges when I have to correct them and whatnot But I don't have to keep teaching telling myself and asking myself the intentions of my heart Why am I correcting them? Am I correcting them because I don't like them personally or am I correcting them? Genuinely. Do I is there a genuine interest and care for that person to get better? Um, so once the intentions are clear, uh, you know Everything else becomes easy has so If you're a part of team member and if you have a leader like that Have an open conversation with your senior pastor make your intentions very clear What if that might help Or inc and as kennedy saying or encourage that person to you know, take up a training or you know Music training instruments whatnot That that helps thank you. Yeah, you're welcome. You're Thanks kennedy. Um for that as well. Yeah Um All right, so we spoke about uh the skills of a worship leader and uh with the next section here Um as a conclusion want to conclude with talking about the character traits of the effective worship leader Um, right character trait because as mentioned character is one of the skills that are non negotiables Uh, it's very important. Okay Um, so what are some of the gaps? So in a worship leader a pastor should be primarily looking for a disciple of jesus who is strong in character and not simply full of Gifting or full of themselves Uh in other words who a person is in the secret place of their hearts must be infinitely more important to us than how They play their instrument sing or function in front of a crowd Um, holiness goes a long way. Uh, and it's a huge and it's a big deal At least for me, uh, how a personal individual is in their quiet time in the personal time in the secret and their secret life Um, we will not necessarily know how their secret life is But you you keep teaching about it the importance of the significance of it, isn't it? Uh, david was able to kill goliath in public Because he killed a lion and a bear in private where nobody could see Um, and so what happens in the secret place is very very important. That's where the character is shaped Um, right. There's another an old saying that says an anointing will take you up But it is your character that it that keep you up there um, right, so Some of the questions, uh, you know leaders must ask about a worship leader is Um one are they humble? Do they have a vibrant secret life with god? um, what You will know more about their secret life with god When when you have a personal relationship with them and you ask them to open up when you've created a culture of vulnerability right when they you know, it's when they're not afraid to uh, you know Uh, when they know that they will not be judged when I say, you know what I did not read the word this week I did not pray enough this week and I mean they realize that They're not going they're not being judged When they say that okay, you didn't read the bible is like, okay, you know off the team or whatnot You're creating a culture where they can share freely about what they are going through because just because they're part of the worship team You know, they're not superheroes. They are still humans Uh, isn't it shortcomings are there and we need to understand that and when you get into their life Uh, you begin to see okay, you know how god is working in them and through them Right. So and that With that you'll be able to gauge Their secret life with god. Are they able to take direction or correction? Are they uh, are the accolades and affirmations of people to are too important to them? This is a very important point Right, but when we learned about the life of sol and david sol was a man of position while david was a man of Presence and sol disobeyed he tells samuel. Okay, you know Samuel just come walk out with me so that the elders will still see that you know god is with me He was he just wanted to show the output appearance of everything is okay Uh, so do you want a person someone who's like that or do you want someone who's after the presence? Are they doing what they do to serve? Or to gain respect Are they good husbands or wives parents and family members? Are they willing to train others to take over for them? Right, um, are they skilled at what they do? Um, just the previous point there. Are they willing to train others? Uh, that means you're willing to teach right? um Once again for my personal experience is it is possible when when you know that you're very skillful Uh, you know, you can become arrogant to not teach or show or teach others. What do you know? Uh, because you know, I've put in this effort. Why should I share it with you that easily? It's like sharing a recipe is like I'm not going to share my secret recipe with you It's the family recipe But willing to train and teach is a huge expression of humility Right, it's like hey, you know, of course, you know, I'm gonna. Yeah, sure This is how I learned it and this is how you play this thing. This is how Uh, you know, you do certain things so willing to train others. It's a beautiful thing Uh in in an individual are they skilled at what they do? Are they teachable and eager to learn? Uh, are they willing to quietly care for poor as much as they're willing to stand on a stage? Uh, you know, are they are they only after the stage in the lights and all these fancy things or um, you know Are they willing to just be as caring and be as available? Right. Are they loving gentle generous? Uh, you know, do they have a substantial interior life with god that reflects itself in their outward lifestyle? Um, all of these are you know, some of the things For us to you know, just be mindful of Yes, shri kumar. Go ahead So I just want to know uh This is something something I could uh, which is happening Um that the in the worship leader the the choir groups are, you know, their mobiles were actually monitored by the worship leaders that How they're how like what kind of sites they are visiting so Okay, just to just to uh, you know to have a track on them So I just want to know that um, this kind of practice is is good or Or or not like no as a church when you know in the church when you are in the choir group choir and you are tracking your the members of the The choir group that They're mobile Is it the right thing? I just want to thank you guys. Um In my opinion, no, I wouldn't do that. Uh, you know, it won't take long for someone to clear their history and go back and watch what they watch so and also it's it's not just about You know that other individual that they can clear the history and go back home. It's not about them. It's about me it's about uh I it's it's not who I am. I wouldn't do that. That's why I said, you know, I don't want to Holy spam, it's it seems like that, you know, so You you teach them you you you teach them the word of god You encourage them to live a holy life you empower them and then you you leave the rest to them. So Thanks. Yeah Okay, everyone. Hey, uh, thanks for joining in for today's class once again. Um, I hope there was something that you could take away and and learn Okay, so I'll see you all again next week. I will resume with this chapter Okay God bless you guys have a lovely day ahead and a lovely week ahead. Thank you. God bless you Thank you