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I just keep doing it just because it drives somebody crazy Just because it drives the grammar police fucking crazy me adam and jester boom So we start off and we have our good conversation first. I talk about my busted ankle and how that is making my neck hurt Oh, man. I'm not being a wuss. I promise. Yeah, we talk about justin's uh broken right arm And his uh and the nail that went through his foot and gave him the flesh eating bacteria It was scary sucked. We talked about spanking children those bad kids Parenting mistakes parenting falls right out follows right after and how parenting Shaped our lives and the trauma That it was maybe forever that we had his children ever We also open our thrive market surprise Check it out package. We do this new segment where dug orders us surprise stuff From thrive market. I really really like this. 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Who's just getting passionate inside Italian in them. I have I have no idea what you're talking about. Were you Instagramming hard? Yeah, I think so. That's what it is. You know what I realized? What I realized really realized the other day. It's really really. So you know how like yeah exactly you know how one one one thing is off on your body Everything up the kinetic chain gets affected But I forget it. I forget it until I experience it again first hand. Oh, right. So you guys remember when I had my my snafu in Mexico? Oh, by the way, I'm using that word a lot now. We remember snafu. It's been following you. I don't know if I'm using it right snafu. I think it means a fuck up or something right? Am I wrong or am I right? So I fell basically I fell and normal person would have died. Luckily, we're talking about me. But all I did was really twist my ankle. Thank God you had athletic skills on your side. You know what I mean? It's kind of like a hang nail, brother. Put it down for like a week. I've got the agility of a two-legged cat. So anyway, I slide down the stairs, bust my ankle up, super swollen. So now I'm walking funny. Next thing you know, knee starts to bother me, hip starts to bother me. It's going all the way up, right? All the way up the chain. Sure. Now my neck of all things, right? Now my neck is starting to bother me. And if people are thinking like, no, dude, your ankle doesn't affect your neck. Oh, absolutely. Try this. Put on a fucking neck brace, like a super stiff neck brace and then try and walk normal. Good luck. You can't because you're like, it doesn't work. Like Batman. We're not meant to be robots. Like the original Batman. Remember Michael Keaton when he was Batman? And you had that thing on when he turned his head, like the whole thing had to turn? Have you ever been in one of those? I've been in one. In a Batman? You've been inside Batman? Yeah, this is stupid, dude. In a neck brace, you idiot. Oh, why? When I was younger, I don't remember what I did actually. I just remember being in the brace for like a week. You don't know why you were in a brace? Yeah, probably football or basketball. Chicken heading too much? Or probably bike riding. Can't bang too hard. I know. And it wasn't like a major. I didn't have to get casted or anything. I had a brother-in-law who crashed his motorcycle and had one of these. Oh, had the halo? Yeah, yes. Oh, wow. Hey. Yeah, it couldn't move or nothing. It was crazy. It looked really gnarly. Oh, dude, you know, it's like metal head. Who's had the most broken bones in this room? I've had none. I probably have. You have. How many would be broke? I mean, I broke my right arm twice in the same year. Oh, she held me. I was, I think I was 10. Oh, OK. So you're fine. You weren't jerking off by then? Nah. Yeah, so it wasn't that big of a deal. Yeah. So, yeah, it was not a big deal. But that's it. Just do your arm. Yeah, well, just my arm. I think, yeah, everything else was like penetration wounds. Do I have to? What? What? Yeah. So I stepped on a nail. Oh, OK. Well, OK. You guys got excited. No, I got worried. Yeah, I got worried, too. Something you're not telling us? No, no, no, this isn't a confessional. Yeah, no, I jumped off of a retaining wall and I landed right on this huge, like, rusty nail. Oh! And, um. Did it go in the whole way? Like, did you? So it went way, way up in there. I had, the worst part of it, right, was that it healed, but it healed with this, like, flesh-eating bacteria that came up through my shoe. Oh, shit. So basically the wound healed. And then I was like, man, this is not getting better. And it fucking hurt. And I couldn't walk. And I ended up, like, crawling home at one point because I couldn't even fit my shoe on because my foot blew up so much. Like, it swole. Got infected? Yeah. Flesh-eating bacteria, bro. Yeah, everything. That kills people sometimes. Yeah. So my... Or they'll have to amputate limbs and shit. To this day, my dad feels awful because, like, he was, like, tough it out, you know, because I did that whole ebbs and salt thing and I'm, like, hobbling, you know, home from the bus stop. And then finally, yeah. Then finally, so they took me to, like, the family doctor. He just gives a little, like, numbing, like, topical numbing stuff and then just starts slicing it open because it just needed to be drained so bad. And then I had to go from there to the hospital. I was in the hospital for, like, 10 days, just draining it. People sticking shit in there. Dude, those moments that scar you for a kid with your relationship with your parents, like, forever, right? Have you guys... Okay, now, being... He feels so bad about it. Being honest, Kay, being honest and both fathers, have you had those moments yet where you're, like, fuck, is this one of those moments where I just scarred my kid? Oh, I see what you're saying. Like, that we did with our kid. Yeah, yeah, like... Yeah, yeah, totally because... Oh, man. Where you freak out and you're, like, oh, shit, I did it. I'm gonna fucking... It's funny you say that. Well, two things. First off, I guarantee you that was more traumatic for your dad than you because he's... Yeah, right. Because if I was a dad, I would feel terrible. Oh, he slept, like, at, you know, every night. Like, he didn't have to, but he was, like, sleeping in the chair right next to me in the hospital. You always felt bad. Oh, it's terrible. So it's funny you say that. So I just read a study that shows that spanking children actually causes them to have worse behavior. So it's a controversial study. Whenever you talk about raising kids or whatever, there's always lots of controversy now. I was raised... Old school. Old school Sicilian. So we were spanked. I got the... My mom used the wooden spoon. Oh, they had built all that stuff. She'd throw her shoe if she needed to. There was four kids. It would get pretty gangster sometimes, but we were crazy kids and it was a tough situation. And I'll tell you what, I have the best parents a kid could ever ask for. I have great relationship with my parents. Love them absolutely. So I don't have any bad memories in terms of that. We weren't abused or anything like that. Now, my kids... I have spanked my kids a grand total of two times, literally two times. And the reason why I know it's two, because I remember both times exactly... Very impactful. Because it was super traumatic for me. Yeah. I have a very similar story. So one time I remember my son was just... He was acting like a total brat, just going on. I don't remember what he did. He did something to his grandfather. And finally, I just got really angry and I snatched... Do you remember how old he was? Like one. No. Six months. Look at that. No, he was... I think he was like maybe three, four. So he's in that age where three, four years old, by the way, terrible twos are nothing. Three years old. Oh, yeah. That's when shit goes crazy. Yeah. So I snatched him up by the back of his shirt, because I don't remember what he was doing, something to his grandfather. I snatched him up and I spanked him on his butt, not hard or anything, but just swatted him and then sat him in the couch, sat him down. And then I could see... And it worked. Obviously, he stopped because he was terrified. And after I did that, and then I sat there, and then of course my dad, who now is a completely different human, he's like, you don't need to do that to your kid. Like, you shouldn't, but I'm looking and I'm like, excuse me? You should drag me on the stairs. Well, you're just trying to get into heaven now. Anyway, so I spanked him, I sat him down, and then it destroyed me for a long time. And then I had this dialogue with myself where, you know, here I am on this huge... In comparison to my kid, right? You got a three-year-old or whatever. I'm this big-ass person. Imagine if there was a giant, the same strength difference and size difference to me. Like, it would be a guy who was 15 feet tall, 700 pounds. And if I disagreed with him, he could just smack me and then that's it. I have to listen. So I'm like, God, I had to use violence to make my point against this small human. Yeah, that's when you know you've lost. It didn't feel, it just didn't feel... I don't know, it didn't feel right. My oldest, we were at a birthday party for a bunch of kids and stuff. And it was family and it came around time. You know, around time where you have to leave, you got to give him morning. And I gave him morning, you know, hey, man, we got to leave. So you got like five more minutes. And so I'm doing the rounds. I come back and he's just like, resistant, resistance, resistance. And I get it. Like, he's having a lot of fun. And I'm like, no, seriously, I have to be somewhere. Let's go. And he just wasn't listening, wasn't listening. And then like, you know, I go to grab him and then he freaks out, starts screaming at me. And this is when he was like, yeah, he was like four. And so... That's a good time I thought. Yeah, it was just like, it's at that, it was this one impactful thing where it was like, like you can't behave this way. This is unacceptable. And I took him like, so there was like some woods there. I took him in the woods and, you know, like smacked him on the butt. And, you know, just this look of horror in his eyes. Because he looked up at me and I was just like, my soul just was like, ah, I put him in the car and like left. I didn't say bye to anybody. I was like, we're out of here. And then after that, it was just like, yeah, it was really like one of those things. I was like, oh my God. Like, that's, you know what? You guys aren't even that bad. I think of like the, the shit that I went through and stuff like that. And I think, God, how many of those like situations do you, as a father, do you have to make before you fuck the kid up? Like... Oh, I see what you're saying. You know what I'm saying? Like, how many, how many times does a, like a parent push that boundary not really thinking, right? Acting out emotionally and not being, not thinking... Well, I definitely like lost my cool. I think that's why I felt bad. Because I, I internally like, I was like raging. You know what I mean? While I did it, I couldn't calm down before I did it, which would have been totally different. It's, it's really what you're demonstrating. Because, because somebody, I actually posted that study in the forum, because I'm, this is a fascinating discussion for me. I don't judge people who spank their kids if long as they're loving parents and not abuse a lot of stuff. Because again, I was raised in that way. Right. But it's an interesting debate. And somebody posted a very interesting comment. And what they said was that when they were kids, if they did something that, that their parents deemed, you know, that they deserved a spanking or whatever, their dad would take them aside, would talk to them about it very calmly. That's the important thing. They said that their dad never lost her temper. Yeah. Talked to them about it very calmly and said, now think about it. And in 10 minutes, I'm going to give you a spanking. Yep. And they said it was so much more powerful. It's the psychology of it. Yeah. Because he didn't lose. They didn't lose, you know, you're not showing them that you're acting out emotionally. And then it's not the actual violent part of it, right? That's determining. Yeah. You know, it's really like it's like, this is a consequence, you know, and it's very common rational about it. Yeah. I remember one, there's one other thing. What did the study say? Tell me what the study said. The study said that, that they show that spanking makes kids behave worse. And it causes problems later on. How the fuck do you study that? I don't know. And you know what it makes me wonder? I don't know. It makes me wonder a couple of things. Because you think like, how many times have you heard this? Like, oh, if parents just beat their kids a little more, then we wouldn't have all these crazy kids. Or you know, these kids just need a good spanking. And it makes me shake my head because that's not why people act crazy. It's because they don't have parents around. Yeah. It's either they don't have a dad around, or their mom's too busy, or nobody really cares about them. It's not the spanking part. They're not being listened to. Yeah, no. There's another thing that happened. It's like a, this is like a confessional, isn't it? Yeah. That man, I think about to this day, and it was just terrible what I did. My kid was, he wasn't eating his dinner, and he was just being a shit about it. And so I said, you have to finish all of this food before you go upstairs and before you can go play. Oh, I know. Yeah. And so he force fed himself, and then he walks away and then throws up. Oh, man, you gotta feel like it's huge. I feel like the biggest asshole. That's such an old guard mentality, though. You know, like that was just pounded into our heads. It's so weird. So it makes perfect sense that that would be, you know, our reaction towards it. I've had the same thing. Yeah. Are there things that your parents did to you that now it formed you as how you fathered? Like, you remember like, I won't do that, you know? Oh, I won't do that? Yeah, your dad did something, or your mom did something to you, and it like, boom, that was a mental check for you, whether you were seven years old or 15 years old. And you said, when I parent, that'll be something I never do. Do you remember moments like that? You know, because, like I said, I think my parents did such a good job. I can't think of anything that they did that I thought was terrible, but I can think of something that they didn't do that I would do. And the one thing is, again, because it's an old school, it was kind of that old fashioned, old school, you know, growing up that way or whatever, we didn't talk about certain things. Like sex was never a topic. Drugs were never a topic. It was like, we didn't talk about these difficult subjects because they were so taboo that they were never brought up. So I could see how that may have created some interesting relationships that I had with those subjects. And of course later on, as I grew up, I started learning myself. And okay, because I was brought up, sex was taboo. We didn't talk about it. Masterbation was taboo. Like it's bad, don't do it. Oh yeah, alcohol for me was taboo. Like everything, there was just so much restriction that for me it was more of a rebellious kind of pressing back and like tattoos, all that stuff. That's why I have them. It's so shitty because I realized that about myself. I was just pressing back hard. Like that was the only reason why. So I guess for me, because my parents did a great job of me as well. Like they were just very much in tune with everything I was doing. And so if I was hanging out, they would let me hang out with friends that they knew were like party, but he'd be like, listen, you call me, anything happens, but I'm always here, you give me a call, like I'll come pick you up, whatever, like no questions, which was cool. And but at the same time, there was this fear established. If I ever did anything, I was gonna get kicked out of the house. That was always the thing that was always driving it. It was like, you're gonna get kicked out of the house. I was like, kick me out of the house then. You know, like it was like this pushback. And so I don't know, I'm trying to figure that out. How to kind of more have a conversation about stuff like that. So it's- How about you, Adam? Really? No, Adam. Today's Q&A, bro. We don't have time for that. Yeah, next time you can ask me, just give me a year, bro. Are there things in particular, like if you had kids that you like, for sure I'm gonna do that? Absolutely, but there's tons of stuff, man. I mean, to this morning, I was talking to a buddy of mine and just kind of commending him on what an incredible job that he did, raising his daughter. He's got a daughter now who's 16, and she's like, her academics are crazy. She's an, you know, four sport athlete. And he's a single father that raised her, you know what I'm saying? And he did such a great job with her. And we were talking about, he said early on, he shared with her, like so, and this is kind of cool if we were talking about you and your son and what, you know, seeing how proud you are, what he's done. And he shared with his daughter early on, like the finances and putting her through private school. And the reason why he did it, he said was, he saw all these kids that she was going to school with, and they were just kind of these spoiled little brats. And he wanted to make very clear to his daughter. And he did it in a way where it wasn't like make her feel guilty. Dad's giving all his money so you could go to school. Just making her aware. Yeah, making her aware. Like, you know, this is how hard we work. And this is, you know, the little funds we have. And this is how much we're investing in you and stuff like that. So it's important that what we do with it. So, you know, things like that, like my parents didn't share any, any finance stuff, you know, like they didn't, I didn't know. I mean, what I saw was us failing and not, not being able to stay in a house long enough and the food stamps and electricity and bullshit like that. So, you know, and ironically on the numbers guy and into finances and I love that stuff, which that's a lot of that I'm sure stems from that, right? It stems because I didn't, I wasn't let in on that early on as a child. I was just here, give me your money. You know, if I got money or extra money or once I started working when I was 15, you know, a lot of my money went back to my parents to help pay the bills and do shit like that. So, yeah, that's something that I would do different. But man, there's a lot of most of my memories, unfortunately. And it's, and I didn't like, again, I didn't, we did things as a kid. I wasn't, it wasn't that bad, but it was, what's crazy and why I like to ask questions like this and talk about this stuff is I don't, I don't remember the good stuff. There's, I have all these like really bad scars from childhood that I remember because those, as a kid, those are what stick with you. You know, the time that my parents probably sat me down and told me how much they love me and, and spent time with me or took me to Disneyland with that. That's a blur, but I could vividly remember like my mom dragging me by my hair, throwing me in a shower and whooping the shit out of me. You know what I'm saying? I can remember that. I can remember my parents watching me get handcuffed, although I was a three, five GPA, never had sex, didn't do drugs, good kid, watching me get handcuffed and walked out the side, out the house because they called the cops on me and shit. Like, you know, I remember stuff like that, that has forever changed me and molded me into who I am, which is what I'm great, I'm grateful for those memories, but I always wonder like, what's the limit? Like, was it that I had, you know, eight or nine of those situations that happened that were unbelievably impactful, that like scarred me, and it was just the right amount that turned me to do the right and be good? And what if I had 10 or 15, you know? Or what if there was- Or what if there were none of them? Right, or yeah, or what if there was none of them? What would I have been like? You know, would I have been a little spoiled brat because I got none, I got all this love? Isn't it interesting how our, your situations can either, can either forge you or you know, into this incredible, you know, successful, determined human being, or it can break you. And it's almost like, it's almost like a combination, like you have to have the right combination and how do you know what that is? And I don't know, man, it's crazy because I feel like some people will succeed no matter what, you know what I mean? I think like you're one of those people, I think you hear certain situations and stories, like you know, you hear about like Oprah, somebody we've talked about many times, the most successful people of all time, she came up through incredible, under incredibly difficult circumstances from as a child all the way up until, you know, she succeeded and which, you know, is she the kind of person that would have succeeded no matter what or was it because of her? So it's so tough to speculate. I do know that when, when you're that age, at least, and I shared when we were all in, just got back from Hollywood, we were in there, we stayed up and we're out in the jacuzzi and I was sharing like a story with you guys that I hadn't shared and you know, those memories definitely or those things, those situations definitely forged me who I am today and it makes other things, it changes your perspective, right? Because when you're a young kid and you're coming up and you go through shit like that, like you do feel alone and you do feel scared and it's like, for you, it's the end of the world, right? At seven years old, that those moments that you went through did feel, but then I made it through and so then it makes me go into the things that other people, which is why too, I had to deal with a lot of, I didn't have a lot of empathy for people as I got older, so one thing that I was, which is still a part of my app. It was probably hard for you to even understand why they would trip out over a number of things. Right, right, you have it too easy, yeah. Yeah, like people would vent to me and I'm definitely not one that shares a lot of these stories. If you ask me, I'm an open book, like if someone digs into me and says like, tell me about this, Adam, and ask deeper, like I'll share my story and stuff like that, especially if it can benefit somebody, but I'm most certainly not somebody to say, poor me, this was like this, so, you know, I think that when you do go through things like that, it does change your perspective on the other shit, which is I think in turn, you know, help me out as an adult later on, but it always makes you wonder that, you know, was it just one more situation or two more situations that could have turned me for the, yeah, that could have done that, I just said, fuck it, right, give up, like this is a life, right, yeah, and you wonder that. So I was just curious about you guys, like, I mean, that's, it's crazy to me to hear you say those, you guys give this example of like, you whack your kids on the butt one time because you lost your temper and I'm like, fuck, dude, they're gonna be okay, dude. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's the shit we worry about all the time, we don't wanna tip them over the edge, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's not even so much, I just feel bad, I just feel bad. I'll tell you what was, some things that were real impactful for me was learning how my dad grew up and learning how my grandfather grew, because he was poor, they were very, very poor. My dad grew up with, you know, lots of siblings, him and his brothers shared one bed until he moved out, until he was 18 years old and got married. He shared a bed with, you know, his three brothers in one, not even like king-size bed and they slept, you know, head to feet, you know, so like kind of staggered or whatever. Yeah, he's, till the day he moved out, they did that. My grandparents didn't have, I mean, my dad didn't have a phone, they didn't have a phone in the house, even when he moved out. In fact, my grandparents got a phone, I think by the time my sister was born, then they finally got a phone. So they would go somewhere else to make phone calls and stuff. That's crazy. It's very, great. I mean, nine years old, he was working, not just like going with his dad to fuck around, like he had a job, like he had to go and do this work and they'd pay him like a, nothing, because he's a kid and he'd come home and give it to his mom or whatever. And he tells a story of how when he was, I think he was like 13 and his mom would let him, you know, she would take the money that he earned and then she'd give him a little bit for himself and he could use it to, you know, if you wanted to go watch a movie or something like that. And he saved up, I don't remember what he told me, it was a long time, like two years. He saved up all these coins or whatever and he went and he bought a used bike. So he buys this bike and he puts it together and fixes it or whatever because it was all fucked up and he was like the most proudest moment of his life. So he's got this bike, he's riding it around, he's so proud of himself. It's like his only thing of his own. And he showed up late for work and his dad, he worked with, you know, with the same place with his dad, showed up late for work because he was playing on his bike. So my grandfather ran over his bike with there. Oh, that hurts me. They have these three wheeled trucks that they use to sell fruit on or whatever and he like ran it over. And my dad's like, you always remember that. He's crashed him. Yeah, he always remember that. So my dad got super mad and yelled at his dad for it and then which you don't do. And so he had to sleep outside. So he wasn't allowed in the house and he said, and I'm like, and when I was a kid, I hear the story and I'm like, yeah, but then I got older. I asked him, like, did you really like sleep outdoors, like outside your house as a kid? And he goes, oh yeah. And he goes, my mom snuck me food because my dad told her don't even feed me. Like just leave him out there for a couple of days so he learns less. So she snuck him. So I hear all these stories and I'm like, holy shit, man. Crazy, right? Crazy, crazy, crazy stories. We're all soft. It's the end of the day. Bring on the soft bear, Doug. Oh, wait a minute. Aren't we, aren't we, didn't you get us some more gifts? Yeah, we got some more goodies from Thrive Market. Yeah. You know, this is my new favorite thing that we do. Can I just tell you something? This is the best idea I think we've ever had because we get, Doug gets to buy us stuff every time. I know. Every time. And it's exciting stuff. And it doubles as a commercial for Thrive Market. Yeah. What did you get us, Doug? Oh, yeah. We always need more macadamia. Oh, good. That's becoming a staple. Wait, what is the other one? Is that macadamia in us, too? Oh, no, no, no. This is for Justin. Yeah. Oh, no. It has his name on it. You got him the peanut butter cups? Oh, yeah. They're Justin's peanut butter cups. This is my favorite. I thought you were going to die. I'm not. I'm going to thank you, Doug. They put your name on it. You know, I have no idea what this is. It has my name on it. It means I can eat it. What is this? Yeah, open that thing up. There's another one here. Listen. I don't want to throw this glass in here. Listen, Thrive, they're organic. So therefore, that means healthy. You know, they wrap everything in this biodegradable paper. It looks dark. Is it really biodegradable? Yeah, it's recycled paper. Recycled paper. They try to be very conscious. What is this? Garden in a can? Grow organic cilantro right out of this can? Yeah, that's pretty cool. Oh, that's great. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's rad. That's interesting. Oh, Himalayan pink salt from Thrive Market. Yeah, that's for the studio. Oh, and it's got a grinder on it. No wonder. I know why you're giving it to me. That's good because we were always going to Luna, like, I need some more salt. And because I put salt on everything or this salt. This is hilarious right here. And we've got some communal lotion for everybody here. This is the stuff I buy at Whole Foods. A couple dollars less on Thrive Market. Don't let me catch you masturbating with my lotion. It'll weird me out. Now, this is for Adam, but he may share these with everybody else. Oh, what did you get? What do I got here? They have flushable wipes with Thrive? Oh, man. Hold on. Let me see these. Damn everything. Hold on. Flushable wipes. What's, what's, uh, it's like butt wipes. Yeah, I know, but hold on. There's got to be something natural about these. Oh yeah. Look at that. The, the ingredients are all, are all natural and they plant one tree for every box. Salt. Very nice. Oh, really? See. Yeah. Stolen floor. Thinking companies. Doug, way to take care of it. Way to take care of my asshole, Doug. You're welcome. I was thinking about it. When Doug said he was going to take care of the asshole, I don't think that's what he meant. Oh, I thought this is what he was talking about. Yeah, that's it. Okay. Our next thing here is for Sal. Oh, what is that? Try them out, of course. This makes perfect sense. Thrive brand. That makes perfect sense. Oh, sardines. Fuck yeah. And olive oil. You know what's funny about this? When they, oh never mind. I thought it said gluten-free. I love it when they put gluten-free on like obvious shit. On like fish. Yeah, gluten-free water. Okay, we got one each for ourselves of these, which is bone broth. Bone broth. Try it out. Let me know how you like it. Thrive brand bone broth. Yep. Awesome. How much stuff did you buy, Doug? Oh, I went crazy. He did go a little overboard. He's such a good dad. It looks like juice, but it's bone broth. I don't know how they are. I just thought I'd try them out. They're coconut chips. Oh, very good. From Thrive Market. Excellent. Excellent. And that's it for this week. Thank you, Doug. That's a little shout out to Thrive Market. Right, right. Good stuff. Now we can bring on the fatherly bird. This clause brought to you by OrganiFi. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, OrganiFi fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health and performance the added edge. Try OrganiFi totally risk-free for 60 days by going to OrganiFi.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com and use a coupon code MINEPOMP for 20% off at checkout. Our first question is from Shannon Buji. Why do you think women are typically more susceptible to body distortion and eating disorders and or food relationship issues than men are? That's easy. Shout out to Shannon, good friend of mine. That's all the fucking marketing, man. Yeah, they're- It's because women have been marketed to like that for a very long time and it's just become the norm. Now you have to, so let's dive deeper into this because as we all know, the market, the market, it drives behaviors, but behaviors also drive the market. Absolutely. So there's also, there's two sides to this. Women buy more, they're responding to that type of marketing, it's working, so they're going to continue to do that and it's just like feeding the beast. It is. And the other thing I'm thinking about too is, I think part of it, there's some roots here, right? Men tend to be more visually stimulated than women, we're more visual than women are. And so I think that women knowing this place more emphasis on how they look and presentation. And so it kind of feeds this, it's the cycle, right? It's the cycle that kind of feeds itself. Marketers know this or whether they know this consciously or unconsciously in the beginning. And so when they start to market and they market to insecurities, they market to don't be fat or you're too skinny or whatever, women respond very strongly to it. And it just does this kind of cycle type of thing. To the point now where marketing is such a big part of our lives. I mean, it's such a, think about it this way, there isn't anything that you consume today where marketing isn't injected in some way. And it's a good and bad thing. Part of it is bad because, again, we're getting all these messages, but part of it is also it's what funds our ability to get information. If YouTube didn't have advertising, if TV didn't have advertising, nothing had advertising, then the only other way for them to even provide what we want is I guess to have membership services, like you have to pay a fee or whatever. So, but definitely they're more susceptible partly because that's just what you're brought up in as a kid. I mean, think about it being a young girl. And I watch this, by the way, with my kids. I have obviously two kids, a boy and a girl. And I see how the girls pay attention to how they look and how each other look way before the boys even notice. The boys don't even notice anything necessarily about the girls in that sense. It is interesting and very, very harsh towards one another, as far as looks are concerned too. Like girls more so than guys, sometimes I feel. They're very harsh, guys are harsh in other things, but when it comes to appearance, women can be very, very harsh with each other. But it's one of those things that's like, you know, I don't know if we're necessarily, I don't want to blame anybody or anything. I think just talking about it's an important thing. Well, I also think that I don't think there is much as a discrepancy as everybody thinks too. I think we just show it differently, right? Like I think men have just as much, or have just as many insecurities, right? They're just different. Yeah, they're just, they're different ones, right? And then I think that, and same thing with the body distortion, like guys still, trust me, guys look at every part of their body from head to toe. I mean, how many young men go through that phase where they're really shy about being naked around other guys and then how many dick jokes are out there and you don't know if you're normal or average or above average, you know what I'm saying? There's a lot of other things that guys deal with that's a little bit different, but it's kind of in the same category. We just don't talk about it as much and we handle it differently, right? We tease, we punch each other and we tease each other. Hey, little dick, come on over here. You can bury that down real deep. Right, you know, so it is, but I think it's- No emotion. I think it's more, I think it's more equal than people think, dude. I think it's definitely bad on both sides, but when you're, like if you look at, if you look at mental disorders, men lead. We lead the charge. We have more mental disorders than women do. However, if you look at certain categories, you can clearly see- Yeah, but that, couldn't that number alone be skewed just from war? From being in war? Yeah. Or perhaps, but they've done studies on, you know, periods of time when there wasn't war and men, we just tend to suffer for them. This is just, actually this is not even a debate scientists are pretty unanimous on this. Just men tend to suffer from mental disorders more often. However, in particular categories of that, you do see dominance of women, and one of which is eating disorders. Eating disorders are far high, that's a much, much higher, you know, percentage of women who have eating disorders versus men. Now, of course, there's something we're not necessarily factoring in there, and that is that women are far more likely to talk about when they have an issue. Whereas men are taught to not talk about certain things. So if a woman feels something, or is having a problem, she's more likely to call out for help, whereas a guy tends to not. And you can see this with suicide. The suicide rate is much higher in men, but the suicide attempt rate is relatively similar. So women attempt suicide at high rates as well, but they just don't follow through, or they don't actually do it, because it could be viewed as calling out for help. Whereas a guy is not gonna call for help, and then finally when he does it, he actually. He's gonna do it. He actually does it. So, but yeah, it sucks because I have a daughter, and I know what kind of world she's being raised in. I know what she's, especially with social media and what she's gonna see. I know her dad is in the fitness industry, and I'm surrounded by all this, and I'm representing fitness and health and all that stuff, and she's gonna one day look at my Instagram with my flexing pictures and all that other stuff, and is that gonna be, that could go both two directions. It can make it harder on her, because I could only imagine if my, I know how I felt growing up being skinny, and my dad being this kind of athletic strong guy. Like what if he was a bodybuilder? What if he was in that world? Would that make me feel worse? Or would it help? I don't know. It's a tough thing, but I tell you what, we have the power to change this right away. If women just decided like, I'm not gonna wear high heels anymore. If you really think about it, and this is gonna piss some people off, but I'm just speaking objectively, if you really think about some of the stuff that we do to make ourselves appear so much. To Peacock. It's fucking ridiculous. On both sides though, that's not just women. It's women and men are fucking just as bad if not worse. Well, I think it's both sides, but some of the stuff that women do is downright dangerously, I mean, let's talk about high heels. You are literally creating horrible imbalances throughout the entire body for what? It's really crazy when you think about it. Make your calves, hamstrings, and butt look great. Yeah, exactly. It's really, really crazy when you think about it. Now guys, of course, we do stupid shit like when we try and show off and buy the lifted truck or the faster car. Whoa dude, back off the lifted truck motherfucker. Man, easy dude. Hold on a second. How many guys have lifted trucks that never do shit with them? Right, right, right. You know what I'm saying? I'm just being objective here. Of course, everybody, you have a right to do whatever you want to look a particular way, but it's pretty crazy stuff, but yeah, women are far more susceptible and in fitness, women dominate as consumers. Do you think we're getting worse or better? I think there's more awareness around it, but maybe the awareness is higher because it's worse. Wasn't that like a big push for the real look as far as not overly makeup and everything? Because we're all so connected, there is this, you know, and we saw that when we just talked about this just recently about the, what you call it, where you're okay with, you love your body, you love yourself, even when you're 100 pounds overweight. That's a part of it. That's a part of it, of heading back, because we went the other direction so far, right, of glorifying these anorexic models on the cover of magazines, and now it's like, no, this is not right. So then we went to the other extreme, so hopefully we'll find someone to balance, but I definitely think we are worse right now but- It feels like it, right? Yeah, I mean, and that's, to me, in my opinion, like I think especially after, and I can't wait for you guys to listen to the episode that we did with Christina from- Oh yeah, we talked about this, yeah. Yeah, like she, her listening to her being 22 years old and her insight and then her sharing about this, you know, was it a seven-year-old girl that she said that she talked to, you know, and what they're going through with like Instagram and all that? Like, wow, it blew my mind. Like, I was aware of it. We talk about it on the show. Making crazy impacts that we didn't even realize. Yeah, that, you know what, it's like, it's forming them right now and you, we don't know, we need 10, 20 more years before we see what's that going to turn them into adults, right? Like what's going to happen to them when they get into adults and are they going to be able to rebound from it, growing up through this, you know, Instagram era right now? It's, it is like Sal says it, it's like narcissist heaven, you know, like it's definitely changing kids' perspective on what's cool, what's not, am I good looking, am I getting enough likes or attention and like it's taking, it's taking that to a whole new level. And you know, it's always been there, right? But it's different now. And what pisses me off is we'll, we'll take something that's good and then next thing you know, it turns into something that's bad again. Like, for example, the strength movement that we are seeing with, that we've seen with women. Like we've been, I've been in fitness for 20 years, right? I've seen how the industry's marketed to women for two decades. I've been in it professionally. I see how women respond to, you know, workouts and stuff like that. And relatively recently, only recently has it been kind of cool for a woman to be strong and lift weights for a long time. It wasn't even, like being strong wasn't even a good thing. Yeah. Like they didn't want to get strong because that was masculine. All of a sudden now women are like, yeah, I want to, you know, build some muscle and I want to get stronger. I've never heard women say that before. I didn't hear that for the first at least 15 years. I was in the industry. But now we're turning that into butt implants. We're turning it into, you know, I have to have a six pack. We're turning it into extreme. And it's like, fuck man, like we can't, like what's going on? Why can't we just take something good and leave it there? Yeah. Why does it have to go in that fucking direction? It's kind of infuriating. I'll tell you what, like I said, Well, we're rewarding people for that. Totally. You know, when you- Like stop following these pages and stuff. Like people will change, the market will change its behavior if you show them that you're not paying for it anymore. And I think people are becoming more savvy. Again, because this was early on, right? So the big rush of Instagram when it, over the last, what, three years or so, the explosion of it, it's, now we're kind of seeing like the cream rise to the top as far as what people should be aspiring to be like versus the facade that was put out there. And people are getting called out now, right? So you're starting to see that, that transparency is king right now and that the more people that are being real and being straightforward are starting to get a little up. It's still not at that point where it gets everybody because I still see this really young generation still gravitating towards, you know, the flashy cars, the, you know, half naked pictures and the look at me type of deal use of Instagram. But I feel like it'll change. I just worry more about the age group that is going through this during their formative years, right? Like it, you know, if you got three, four years of this, it could really form and shape your perspective. And now I think about it, when we were kids, there really wasn't a, like a positive, there weren't too many popular positive voices for women in this regard, right? I can't remember too many. Today I can think of several, for example, podcasts, which didn't exist back then, but I can think of several podcasts that are hosted by women or that are in the fitness space, like ours, like we try and put out that positive message where that's the underlying theme. So I guess the information's out there now and it's more accessible. Like I think, do you guys, can you guys remember any, I remember like Oprah, she would do some of these episodes on it, but it really wasn't a big message back then. It wasn't popular at least. And today I can think of several podcasts alone. Like we have Julie Bauer coming in from PaleoOMG and she pushes out that message. She's got it relatively popular. Well, I'm sure there's been a lot of strong women that have been saying this message for a long time. It's just, we're more aware of it now because the ability to connect to somebody instantly, right? Like with Facebook and Instagram and the podcasting and YouTube, like, you know, that didn't exist 15 years ago. So I think as a society, I think there's still people that were emotionally intelligent, aware people that saw this, knew that we're trying to get this message out. We're not the first ones to think that, you know, this skinny model look and the anorexia thing, marketing is not a good thing or a healthy thing for women. People have been saying that for a long time. It's just now the voice, people's voices, stuff happens faster. You say this all the time. It's so true, like, the power of the internet, the power of social media now, you know, people can get away with shit, but you can't get away with shit for very long. Yeah, I know. You know what I'm saying? Like, bullshit will eventually be found out and it gets found out at a much faster rate now. I mean, example, like the rise and fall of like that company Shreds. I mean, it was only three years ago when we first talked about them. And now they're on top of the world. Yeah, and now they're not existent, man. That's crazy. You know what it makes me think of is, like, I have a good example. I, when I did, I had a short stint in yoga years ago, and I remember going to a few yoga studios, but there was one in particular. It was a bigger one. And the people that went there were super clicky. They all had on the like the expensive yoga clothes. They all looked at me kind of weird. There was another woman that was new in the class and they, it was kind of like that, you know, they made her feel, and it was like in yoga, really the essence of yoga is supposed to be, you know, you come in, it's your own practice. Welcoming. Welcoming. And I remember feeling like this place is disgusting. And it was just, it was created, it was like, you can turn anything into this negative, you know, shit, and you can turn anything into a positive. Like, you know, being lean and fit and all that stuff can be very positive. It can be a very, very positive. You don't have to turn into this negative self image type of thing. Yeah. But the irony of this is, the crazy irony of all of this is if when you do truly care about yourself, and when you really do have a good self image, or at least you love, you know, yourself enough to take care of yourself, the ultimate side effect of that is that you start to look healthy, which then of course looks fit and lean and all those other things. So the irony is not only we're killing ourselves emotionally, but we're also physically, we're also doing the opposite of what we should be doing, even if that's our only goal. It's a strange situation. I hope, you know, one of my personal dreams for the fitness industry is that it starts to become, among other things, a voice for this, where people, girls, and boys, men and women, turn to the fitness industry when they're feeling shitty about themselves, and the fitness industry makes them feel good. And that just helps them learning how to exercise and eat right and all that stuff, but they go to it and they don't end up feeling worse. They end up actually feeling good. And I hope that's what we can do with our show and I hope that's what the fitness industry ends up turning into. Next question is from Grace Malin. If you aren't eating in a surplus or deficit and are going through maps anabolic, technically you are not setting yourself up to gain muscle or lose weight. So then what are you doing? Just doing a little muscle building? This is a good question because I think people think that you have to be in a surplus to gain muscle or you have to be in a deficit to lose body fat. Now, are both of those things important components? And do they contribute? Definitely. Can you change the stimulus so that what you are already eating is repartitioned and more geared towards muscle and away from fat? Yes. In fact, I love using this example of times. I've had this debate so many times online on fitness forums where I'd get on there and there'd be some bodybuilder dude and he'd be like, no, you got to eat tons of calories. You won't build muscle this and that. And then I'll always use this argument and I'll say, okay, if you took somebody and didn't change their workout, didn't change their diet at all, just gave them anabolic steroids. Would we see them have at least a little bit of muscle gain and maybe a little bit of fat loss? And of course, they're always quiet. And because they know that the likelihood is that that would probably happen just because we're changing the signal. So I've seen this with myself, or if I change my programming, so it's really, really good exercise programming and my diet doesn't change, I all of a sudden get stronger, build muscle, and get leaner. You know what I'm saying? It's just one of those things. You just change the stimulus, yes. So your body will definitely respond to new stimulus, a new environment, things that you're presenting, like Sal said, as far as the signal is concerned, that's what's telling the body, like, hey, we need to overcome these forces, so therefore we need to build. However, it's a temporary signal, right? It gets weak over a certain period of time where now we have to look at changing it up again, but definitely calories are gonna contribute towards that. It's part of the equation. Another good example is they do studies on myostatin inhibition. So myostatin in the body is like a governor for muscle growth. It's actually one of the most powerful things that we've identified in mammals that tells the body, the animal, whether it's human or whatever, to how much muscle it can have and how much muscle it won't have. And when they genetically modify these, because they've tested, they're trying to come up with drugs that actually do this, but when they genetically modify animals where they have much, much lower levels of myostatin, they call them myostatin-inhibited animals, they don't feed them anymore. They don't even give them any more activity. It's like the same activity, the same food, and they're fucking- They just look freakish. Massively muscular. Yeah. I mean, that's another example of a signal that can change what your body does with what it consumes that doesn't have to, you know, you don't have to change necessarily your food, but I do want to be clear, eating a surplus or a deficit, very important also. If you don't do that- That's a component. Yeah, your results aren't going to- Well, I think the question comes because we don't put as much emphasis on the bulk. The math of it. Right. And so, and I think that's because I think it's been abused. I think there's a, especially in the bodybuilding world, there's a total misconception of if what it takes to build five pounds or 10 pounds of muscle, the way these guys are doing these bulks, where they are, you know, they're just in this pushing calories every day. I'm trying to get more calories. And I was this kid too. This is totally how I used to try and gain muscle. This is, I was under the same impression. Like all the bodybuilding.com forums, this is what, you know, everybody, it's wintertime, it's bulk time. You're on the bulk for three, four months at a time where you're just eating everything in sight. And yeah, absolutely, you can build some muscle there, but you're also going to put a lot of body fat on it. And what I didn't realize and back then as a kid, I was so afraid to have a day of not hitting my targets, right? To be short 500 or 1000 calories. Because in my head, I thought, oh, fuck, I'm in the bulk. No way could I be 1000 calories less than what my body needs, or else my body's going to eat muscle, or I'm definitely not going to build. And that couldn't be further from the truth. In fact, if I would have known what I know now, I would have consistently put fasting days in my bulks to actually get my body to drop down, resynthetize everything, right? Get it primed and ready to build again, versus oversaturating everything all the time. Because I use the analogy like a sponge, you know? And think of like, these are all your receptors, all that your body is ready to soak up when it's completely squeezed out and dry, like after a fasting. And then you feed it all these nutrients, the body just takes it, absorbs it all really well. And then think about if you're just pouring gallons of water over that sponge, like, yeah, the sponge is going to whole get some of the water. Absolutely. But a lot of it's going to run right through. Think of it like that with our body. Like if you're constantly oversaturating the body with surplus, surplus, surplus, sure, you're getting, you're getting, we're trying to, which people are trying to get the insulin, right? That's why everyone's trying. Everyone's trying to spike blood sugar, spike insulin, insulin supposed to help me build muscle. And that's the theory behind that. But then you just get resistant from it. You do. The irony is that they've done studies and show in bulking within days, people start to develop really low levels, but noticeable or like intestine of insulin resistance. Right. So you start to lose that effect. The funny thing is if you make this argument that during a bulk it's a good idea to throw in some fast or some low calorie days, you'll hear a bunch of argument. Like people will fight back, oh no, you just got a bulk, man. Just keep eating whatever. But if you flip it and you tell a bodybuilder, hey, it's a good day when you're dieting. Right, it's a cheat day. Yeah, to throw in some extra calories. Everybody's going to agree and be like, well, no, every time I do that, I end up getting leaner. Same fucking thing. It is the same thing. It's the same thing. It is actually the same thing. And that's a great point you just made right there because cheat meals and cheat days are so fucking popular right now. It makes total sense. Carb cycling. Like bodybuilders have known for a long time. Right. You need to be inverse. They've known for a long time. If you spike calories in the middle of a cut, that you get better results. But if you tell them if you drop calories in the middle of a bulk that it's good, they'll argue with you and debate all day long. It's the same thing that's happening in the body. Adaptation is, we talk about this all the time, whether it be your skin, whether it be your weight training program, whether it be nutrition. The body is pretty similar all the way around, man, is you can do stuff for a while to it. And then after a while, it gets efficient. And then those responses that all the studies talk about, because that's the part that pisses me off, is we take the studies and we tell people like, oh, when you eat in a caloric surplus, you get a spike of this and a spike of that. And that produces this. And it's how everyone's like, OK, so what do we do? We do it all the time. But it's like, OK, well, the study doesn't tell you what happens when you do that for three, four, five, six weeks consistently. Well, when you do that, then the returns start to diminish. We only know about those studies in particular, because those are ones getting paid for because of the marketing efforts of these supplement companies. Exactly. The funny thing too is, I mean, I used to bulk for months. Oh, yeah. And what I mean by months is what I mean is, I was always on the bulk. So I was never trying to cut. But I would go for months where I would push the bulk really, really hard. And I remember, man, it's so funny how unaware you can make yourself just because you're so focused on something. I get all these great strength gains and stuff, like the first three or four weeks. And then I just keep pushing it. And then at that point, all I would care about was the scale. I stopped paying attention to my strength. I stopped paying. It was just the scale. Oh, cool. I'm getting three pounds. Oh, 100%. And it's like, I didn't even care for this fact. I never cared about my strength. All I cared about was that scale weight going up so backwards. Isn't that hilarious? But I tell you what, when it comes to, look, think of it this way. A pound of human muscle, if you were to analyze, it contains, I don't know, I'm going to be very general, but around 150 grams of protein. So if you think of it that way, and let's say you want to gain. Is that true? Hold on that much? Yeah, about, about, so a pound of chicken would be about 140. So I'm assuming it's around, between 120 to 150. So let's just say it's 150. It's going high end. If you, if you, if it's a one-to-one conversion of protein to muscle, and you, and you, you want to gain a pound of muscle a week, which by the way, good luck, like gaining a pound of muscle every week, you are the most genetically gifted individual on the face of the earth. But let's just say you can do that. Let's just, for, for argument's sake, that you can gain a hundred, you can gain a one pounds of muscle of lean body mass on your body every single week. Divide 150 grams of protein by seven days. That's an additional 20 grams of protein a day. It ain't the, it ain't the, what is that, 80 calories? That's not the frickin, oh yeah dude, I just bumped my cal, my, my protein up by 80 grams and I'm eating an extra whatever carbs and you know, I'm eating another thousand calories a day. Like, you know what I'm saying? And that's if you gain a pound of lean body mass a day. It's the same misconception with pregnant women and how much more they need to eat. They've been eating for two for so many years. Like, you know how much, you know how many extra calories you actually need? About 140. But 140 is all you need. Like a Greek yogurt dude. That's all you need. I'm eating for two. Right. That's why I gained a hundred pounds. Yeah. Nick Ford Health. What opportunities do you see in the fitness plan market now that bodybuilding.com has made their previously free workout plans a monthly subscription service? I haven't heard many customers approve of that decision. This is bodybuilding.com. Oh, bodybuilding.com. They're scrambling. They're scrambling dude. They're scrambling to try and make some money and turn, turn, I mean obviously the, the model in the back in the days was advertising, right? Was selling supplements. Yeah. When.coms first started to explode. No, I mean just in general, like how to, Oh, I see what you're saying. Back when.com exploded, it was build a website that was trafficked so much that you could charge for advertising. And bodybuilding.com is an example. This is how they made most of their money at the beginning. Yeah. You should get a million something like impressions a day. Right. And now I can charge for all these banners and all this this click shit all over it. And that's where they make a majority of their money. Well, that day is dying. Like it's no longer do you see these websites littered with all kinds of advertising and advertisers are going other places like podcasting and other mediums that are far more beneficial than sitting on the sidebar of a website. And so, and there's more good information that's being passed around than bodybuilding.com. Bodybuilding.com used to be the place. The old guard. In fact, I feel like mine pump is like, you know, Merkola.com had sex with bodybuilding.com. Right. Wow. So two of the most trafficked. That is controversial. Two of the most, two of the most trafficked websites, right? Bodybuilding.com, Dr. Merkola, you know, is another one that's up there. And a lot of the message that we give is kind of a blend of the two of them. Right. You know, bodybuilding.com had, they've had good information in the past. You're right. Lots of advertising. They made a lot of their money selling supplements. They still do. But there, Amazon now entered the supplement market. There you go. And Amazon is killing. The destroyer of all old businesses. Because Amazon really didn't sell supplements before. So if you wanted body, if you wanted any kind of a muscle building, fat loss type of a supplement, you either went to GNC or vitamin shop, or you went to bodybuilding.com. Bodybuilding.com killed GNC. Like they destroyed the profits of those stores, because now you have this place online, you can order it and it's cheaper. Well, Amazon is doing that to all the supplement stores. Number one, because the prices are better, for the most part. And number two, because buying stuff on Amazon, and Amazon is easy. You just click it and buy it. You get it. I don't have to enter my credit card, do all this other stuff. So, but I think they're just, they're like, shit, how do we make money now? Now, for us, as a business, as a mind pump, we sell programs. That's the main way that we monetize. We first of all know how important good exercise programming is. We place a lot of time and effort in our programming. It's different than what's out there. And it's effective. I think bodybuilding.com programs in the past, were just thrown together. Like there wasn't a, you know what I mean? It was just like, yeah, here's your body part split. Here's your whatever. It wasn't really much thought that went into it. For us, this is a good thing. They're going to now charge for their shitty programming. It's just going to bring, I think, more people to the market. There's no real filter with them. The way they decide somebody is a bodybuilding.com athlete that comes on and actually gives out advice, has very little to do with their credentials, their experience, and their knowledge of programming. It's, yeah, it's how marketable are they? Are you fit? Are you good looking? Do you have a following in that? No different than like Shape Magazine or whatever. Right. And so I think they're fucked because you, now you're going to try and pay a monthly subscription to these crappy workouts that are people are passing out that are not very credible. And that's not to say all of them, because I know there's always exceptions to rule and I'm sure there's somebody's listening right now. I'm like, oh no, I follow so-and-so. And he's really smart and he gives great information. No, of course. I'm sure there's somebody on bodybuilding.com that's putting out some good information. But they haven't really been this, like the excellent authority for a while. I mean, in the early days, you used to be able to go on there and learn about anabox steroids, learn about, they took most of that information off. They kind of, you know, became, you know, much more commercial. You know what I find that's interesting about all this is, and we're seeing another example. This is just another example of it. You have companies that enter a space, they dominate because there's no competition, because let's be honest, bodybuilding.com had no competition when they first came on the internet. They, you know, they start to crush it, they do well, because they're big, because they're doing well, they become this big ship in the ocean that's hard to turn, or their egos get so big. It's like Blockbuster when Netflix went in and said, hey, we want to work with you and Blockbuster laughed him out of the room. Next thing you know, Blockbuster's bankrupt and Netflix is killing it. It's like, bodybuilding.com should have seen this a while ago. They should have seen what was going on Amazon's crushing us. You know, hey guys, we need to pivot and switch. I don't think that selling the programs is the right pivot for them, you know, at all. I think, I'll tell you what the name. You can't go back that way. You could have started that way and possibly have done that a long time ago, but to do that now, that's going to be really tough, when you're, especially when you're providing most of that stuff for free. The name of the game is media. Who's producing the most and the best, you know, media that's out there. Through all platforms. All platforms. Some people are Facebook people. Some people are Twitter people. Some people are Instagram people. Some people are getting on the web still and Googling stuff. You really got to be able to provide. It's, we're in a content war. We're in a, and bodybuilding.com own the content for a very long time. They own it, but there are the, it's the old guard. You're seeing the changing and we're seeing that we're just talking about this with movies, Hollywood and Netflix coming in and fucking punking them. You know, now you're seeing Amazon punk fucking bodybuilding.com. So I love it. It's fun to watch. I learned so much from watching. Scrambling. Companies like this. This is the type of stuff that I love to follow. Wasn't, didn't Amazon air the Olympia? Yeah. They're going in on shows and everything. Talk about a ball that bodybuilding.com just fucking dropped. Oh yeah. Like they could have like capitalized on that in big ways, but then of course they had their own, you know, rivalry. They had the capital, the muscle, the size to have really put themselves in a better position for this day. And now it's just, in my opinion, it's too late. You got to be shitting your pants if you're them, right? Oh, Amazon, Amazon has already came in the back door and has got a hold of the bodybuilding industry. And they're only going to squeeze tighter. Like this, you saw them, they're now doing the streaming for the Olympia, which is one of the smartest things they could do for the last two years. And just watch the way they evolve that. I mean, they got money. They got fucking money so they can come in and do whatever they want to do and they're going to bully bodybuilding.com right out. So it'll be interesting to see what we see them doing, but I see a company that's scrambling and trying to figure things out because shit's turning upside down for them. Next question is from SStryker10. What are your top three dream podcast guests? Oh wow. I know Sal, I know mine. I don't know Justin's. Do you know yours up top of your head, Justin? My top three like dream guests? Yeah. No, not just, oh, top three. I was just thinking one. Well, just as we can go around. George Lucas. Okay. Oh, okay. That's one. You should have known that. Shame on me. You would ask him some like such hardcore fan questions. You know, that, you know what I mean? Me and Adam would be like, what? No, I would, but at the same. In scene four of, you know. Yeah, I literally would just want to get, like pick his brain and get inside is his thought process is how, you know, how he put it all together. But anyway, yeah, him for sure. And then I think I mean, Joe Rogan would be amazing. Fuck, that'd be awesome. You know, like just cause I just love what he's, he's created and his attitude towards, you know, business in general and just like how everybody comes to him and he sort of created this, this platform that has, has been a game changer. So, and then maybe it's tough, man. Like, I don't really look at other. I don't know. I don't have a lot of people I like follow like, like, oh my God, if I hadn't hit them, I would be like, fuck, you know, like I'll have to think of my last one. I think so. What's funny is we actually, when we first started the show three years ago, Yeah, you said there were a fur, there were a few podcasts that we looked up to for, for a number of reasons, not necessarily because of the content, although this one I'm going to mention, we love their content because they're just fucking hilarious and the great chemistry and all that. But when we first started podcasting, we looked at all the podcasts and we said, okay, what are people doing good that we really like? You know, just because obviously that's our market. And you know, there's some shows that we really, you know, I use the word model after, after not necessarily because we copied them, but because we identified like, oh shit, that's really good. And one of them was the fighter and the kid. Yeah. The chemistry between Brendan, you know, and Brian on the show was so natural and funny and great and conversational that we felt like we kind of had something similar. And so we like, we'd like, we mentioned their show so many times. And so I feel like we just had, we just interviewed Brendan Chopp. Yeah. Collectively, that's one of our dream guests just because that's who we talked about. Yeah, for sure. Him and Brian both. He's definitely one of them. Love to have Brian on the show. Brian would be the next one. There he goes, my third. Yeah, I connect. I like them both. I think they're both awesome. But Brian, I feel like I connect you more only because some of the stuff he talks about, I feel like I can get really good conversations with him. Joe Rogan for sure, just because he's the king of podcasting. And I think that would be freaking awesome. In our space, he kind of is the guy. So that'd be awesome to have him on the show. As far as a third one, I mean, that's a tough one because those are the top ones that I can think about. I think I would like just for controversy's sake, just to see what this person would say and to push their buttons. I would love to have Donald Trump. Oh, wow. Hey, don't shoot for the stars or anything. Hey, it's a dream. They said dream. I'll tell you why. That's a good call, dude. I tell you why. That is a good call. I'll tell you why, because I feel like he won't shy away from whatever I'm going to ask him. Anything. Oh, I'm sure. And I want to push at him really hard. Get dig deep. Just to see what would happen, just cause controversy. And I feel like it would be exciting. I feel like that, I mean, obviously an episode with Donald Trump would go viral. But I mean, it'd be, I just want to, like I said, I want to push his buttons and see what it would, see how he responds. Yeah, that's a fucking money one. That's a great call. So you said Joe, you said Donald, and then who else you say? You said Brian Callen. Okay. So those are your three. Yeah, that's cool. Everyone did different ones then. So I, I'm sorry. My last one. Can I finish? Cause I know you're probably gonna steal this one. All right, go ahead. Rob Dierdick. Ah, come on. Come on. You take my guy, dude. Sorry, sorry, dude. So, and what do you think alike? You guys share a dick or something. For me, that's, so Rob Dierdick is for sure somebody. And what's really fucking awesome is we, that's going to happen. There's no doubt in my mind that's going to happen. The, the relationship that we've already forged with Chris, and we definitely hit it off. I've been talking to him on a regular basis already. Like, so it's pretty exciting for me. That was already a cool thing too, because he was a part of that. That's another one we've talked about since day one. Right, right. So I think that one's really cool. And I'm looking forward to the, when that day comes, because I know it will come, that we get a chance to interview Rob. And Rob is just a fucking mogul, dude. And he's such a funny, cool, and very unassuming, intelligent, brilliant man, right? So I think, and, so I think that episode would just be full of gold. So I would love to interview him. Second would be Tony Robbins. I think Tony Robbins would just, you know, if there's anybody that would inspire me just to talk to them or motivate me, I think that guy would just get my juices flowing. And he's an open book. And a guy's got so much experience. I think there's, there's so many things that I want to ask him. So those are my top two. And then my third one, I would want some fucking amazing, brilliant, articulate business persons like a Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk, or somebody in that field. Elon would be fun. Right. Somebody like, somebody of that caliber of in business that just, because I sit here all the time and speculate what companies are doing. And I love, these are the type of books that I love to read and stuff like that. But I'm willing to bet that when I were to sit down in a room with someone like that, it would just blow my mind because their brain works differently. Like he's probably, I think I'm so far ahead the way I'm thinking because I'm reading the right books or paying attention to stuff. And he's probably fucking a hundred steps ahead of me. And so I would love to just absorb that information and knowledge from like somebody that brilliant. So those are probably my, those top three. Some of the ones we mentioned are relatively realistic. You know what I mean? Most of them, most of them are pretty realistic. There's one person away from most of those, right? So Chris to Rob and Brandon to Joe. Brian to Joe and Callan. So, no, absolutely. Awesome. Yep. So check this out. Go to YouTube, check out our channel, Mind Pump TV. We post 365 videos every single year and more. So we put a ton of video, a ton of content on there. Subscribe and share our videos. Have people check it out. 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