 Welcome to Toffy TV, we are continuing with our season review. Break down, we are on to the defence, it should be interesting to see how we feel our defence has done this season joined by Cam from the Mighty Blues as well being paired, paired the defence on the whole considered less goals than we did last season, which is always good. Yeah, funny isn't it, because when we played away most of the season, when we started the season they were horrific, they were horrific, as a team we were concealing goals weren't we, and then manager got it sorted in December and obviously decided that we couldn't have attack on defence so we just had defence. And it worked, it worked and it's worked really, it got us the points, the way we defended as a team away from home, so as a whole you'd probably say it done well, but then there are, you can go into the final details and not everyone had a great season, but as a unit once we got into December I think It was probably the thing that got us most points. Yeah, I think Petr right isn't it, if you're breaking it down into areas of the team which we will do, you do your defence in the field and a forwards review, you'd say that the defence was probably the reason why Evan did have a good season. Yeah, away from home like you said we were very solid for the majority of the season away from home, at home certainly at the start of the season we were scoring a lot of goals, but we were also leaking a lot of goals and a decision had to be made then and obviously we went into December and look at the impact of an injury so we had that four centre backs across the back line and we were very, very solid and then got free coming and meaning and keen and started well. Yeah, it's been up and down as the season as a whole and as every other position in the squad, but again like you said away we were very, very solid and we sort of did stop conceding and leaking all of the goals that we were leaking at the start of the season, but still individual errors and individual mistakes led to us losing games that we really needed to win and that we should have been winning if we wanted any aspirations of getting into Europe. Particularly at home as well, is where we found it, but obviously we became a defensive counter attack in team and that kind of got us through. Let's dig into it then, let's begin with Jordan Pickford, goalkeeper who didn't start the season very well but finished it excellently. Play 34 games started, 34 of those games, 10 clean sheets in the end, 70% save accuracy conceded worked out 1.3 goals a game that's probably been hammered with the five at Manchester City. Errors leading to goals for, a must point out two of them were in the Fleetwood game in the league, Fleetwood Town and the League Cup which he made two errors earlier on, but in general I mean how did you think Jordan Pickford did this season? I'll render this for a large part of it, but then the last probably from February onwards has really sorted himself out. I think the last mistake of any note was in the Leicester game at home, which was what January was it? Obviously a lot of attention on him this season with the van Dijk situation, obviously they're still bleaking about it now and everything that followed, the media scrutiny and everything just got more heightened, then there was calls from Toulouse's England on place and obviously he didn't have a good time as a human being. And as I said the last three or four months he's just obviously worked at something to get his head on everything, not falling to the trap of whatever the situation was before that and I think it's really helped him and I think he's really got himself in the right place as a professional footballer and as a human. And I think you can see that now, the consistency he's been there for the last few months of what we've been calling for for a while. It's not a bad goalkeeper, he just couldn't focus during games of football and obviously that's part of being a professional footballer isn't it? You've got to block out whatever it is that's causing you problems, now those problems might be exterior, it might be in here, I don't know I can't say because I'm not Jordan Pickford, but whatever it is he seems to have found a way to deal with it, maybe he was growing his hair I don't know. The psychologist seems to have helped doesn't he? He's saying he's seen to have taken the corner and that's all you want, that's all we've been asking for. It's like anything you've got to recognise, suppose it's like you've got to recognise your own problem first and he definitely did have a problem and everyone could see. I remember going back to the list again talking about the time, I remember he flapped at a corner and it was like when the ball came in he wasn't ready, it was like he was almost thinking about what had happened before and whereas now it's like once that's gone he's ready for the next thing and long may continue. Definitely, I mean, just subscribe to that, can be obviously 10 clean sheets in the end, it's not a bad number but he definitely got better at the season than on the day. Yeah, I think it's been a big season for Jordan Pickford to be honest because you think of most improved players and players that have improved throughout the course of the season and Jordan Pickford's name is right at the top of that list. Obviously he had the situation in October with the Maisie Chadd Darby and the whole world of the Nevitonians was against him really, the media were wishing for him to fail, he was screaming his name for months and months on end and then it stopped for a week period and then the Darby at Anfield was the week after and then it came back and he had a big responsibility to play and that made him a bit better. The Maisie Chadd Darby and he silenced a lot of demons, I think it was almost like a full circle situation from a Darby a couple of years ago that we won't mention where he sort of, because he started the devil and could hear really well, he played the year, young played the year and then he had that game and sort of went down in consistency coming in the mistakes, the confidence, the moment, making stupid errors and his concentration being off and then he had that Darby, this Darby in February and he was absolutely brilliant four or five big, big saves, kept us in the game. Ended up being a big reason as to why we won the game and then since then saved us in the self-amthin game after it, saved us in the West Brom game, saved us against Arsenal a couple of weeks ago, he's been absolutely exceptional and I agree with Peddy, he seems to have just, his concentration just seems to be so much better now, it's focused on what's happening rather than what's happened or what might happen, it's right what I've got to do now. You know you said, going to the match the other day, there was only a couple of players who were screaming and you could hear screaming and Jordan Pickford was one of them, he seems to have grown up, he seems to have matured a little bit since, certainly since that May as you saw Darby in February and I think it's the biggest compliment we can pay to him as we all sat here early on in the season and said we need a new goalkeeper in the summer at 100% we need a new number one, now we're sitting here saying actually we probably don't need a new number one, if you continue like that he's more than good enough. I think the competition from Robin Olson's done him well, but it's that answer Jordan and we say this is about Dominic Calvert-Lewin, there's one reason Dominic Calvert-Lewin's as good as he is and that's because of him, his work rate, his effort, his mentality, his attitude, Jordan's the same, there's a reason as to why he's become a better footballer and it's because he's gone away and he's thought right I need to change something here, I need to change it up and he's done that and I think recently he's been exceptional. Totally agree, we just need him to be steady don't we? If he's steady then everyone else is calm and we know he's a top keeper and all that's all about whether he's your being England's number one, there isn't a better goal than an English keeper's show and Dean Anderson has proved that recently. You did mention Robin Olson, we've mentioned him on the new shine video but there's some basic stats on Robin Olson, he's had 11 games that he's started, three clean sheets, you can see there's 16, although that is all competitions and four of them were in the space game. 73.3% shave rate and Sweden's number one has come in as push pick for that hasn't he? Yeah definitely, I think he's done alright, I think he's just a bog standard number two isn't he but the manager's put a lot more trust in him than any other, the manager's put a trust in him over the last few years. He's been willing to take Jordan Pick without the fire line or whatever and of course Jordan Pick without injuries as well this season which was unusual, something we've not seen, different injuries as well so it was important that we had the good number two because before and obviously Jalva Jean he got a game as well with me so it was important that we did have a good number two this year, it's something that we've bemoaned the last few years someone to put pressure on Jordan Pick for them and he certainly did it and I think being a professional being the country's number one as well. He's had his injury problems as well which is just bizarre. So it was important and it does show you the importance of having a good number two, someone who will push the number one goalkeeper and maybe this year this summer we might even have a better number two, he'll push him even harder with a reporter I believe so I think it was a good move bringing him in. Definitely, just very briefly, Alson bwmwell as me. Yeah I agree completely, I think you mentioned Jordan Pickford, I haven't missed the Premier League game since he joined the football club before this season and having somebody like Robin Alson who isn't an international goalkeeper, big tour goalkeeper, experienced to come in and you know almost for Carlo Ancelotti to say well look if you're not doing it I've got this lad who's coming and going to come in and he might be the best goalkeeper in the world but he can do a job, he's not just there to fill a space on the bench who you look at and think he's no good, he can come in and he can play. Two, three, four games and he'll perform and he's done well when he's come in, he's made some mistakes yeah but he's done relatively well when he's been in there so yeah I think it's very important certainly for Carlo Ancelotti because he's mentioned before that he likes to rotate the goalkeepers exactly like he likes to rotate any other position on the pitch so in order to do that you'd need a good solid number two and I think Robin Alson's done that this season. Yeah, definitely. Let's move on. Luca Dean, 36 games this season started 35 of them, seven assists outstanding, nine clean sheets when Luca's played, interceptions per game, one, tackles per games after doing 2.1, 2.4 clearances and hasn't made a single error that has led to a goal which is what you want from your defenders. Luca Dean, another one who spent about ten weeks out the side, it looked like it was going to be longer but he worked hard, got his head down and come back quicker than what we all expected and came back against rather than me and had a little bit of a chase him for a bit because he looked nacher but then obviously we played walls a few days later and he was brilliant but what have you made of Luca's season? I think he's been a bit up and down as well, I think at times he's been exceptional and other times he's dipped a little bit. Yeah, I think for his level he has been up and down and he's had a solid, solid season but the two previous obviously we've shown him chipping in with goals, left, right and centre he hasn't scored a goal this season so when you're not really a team let's be honest that you can afford to take goals out of so when you take Luca Dean's three or four then he might get a season out of it. You sort of think he hasn't had a good of a season but he's assists there, you know, tell that he's getting in the right areas and also the amount of balls that he's put in the box and chances that he's creating that are being converted because Dom's not in the right area, you don't have a charlison isn't getting on the end of it. Like you said I do think he's been up and down at times and there's been times when he's just been absolutely ragged by whoever's playing on the right wing for the opposition team but he's also spent two or three months out of the engine that has to have surgery in the middle of a season and I know we were playing Ben Goffley at left back and he was absolutely brilliant but it was quite evident that when Luca Dean become fit it was you're going straight back in the team and you're at the left back. He's one of our most creative players. And that's it, you take away his assists and you know who replaces that because Ben Goffley is very good defensively but he isn't doing anything going forward and we can't afford to miss out on Luca Dean's forward play so I think he's had a decent season, he could get better and I'm sure he will get better and hopefully he integrates more goals into next season but he's been solid overall. He's just ate into just reminded us all that he's finished the year for the third year running as the best left back statistically in the Premier League so what have you made for him? Well he's had new contact as well which is important so obviously that will see him spend his best years now whatever and he's settled. I think he's suffered from the way the team is set up. I'm not having a right back that goes forward. Again I really do believe the way we played that all changed the day she was coming got an injury I really do. Yeah cos we were flying forward weren't we? We've benefited so much from having two full backs so you could go forward and you know she nearly on the way Hammers would get the ball and spray it left and then you'd have Richard or someone or nothing and he had options and he was throwing it in. It worked the treat and the minute that stopped all the pressure went on Luca Dina and that makes it easier to defend cos if you know as a team you've only got one out ball and it's Luca Dina then you're just going to put two men on him and I think that made the task really hard for him. Also the change in the charlatan position later on this season meant he really didn't have anyone ahead of him and he must have found that out because he's a weird one Luca Dina. He's like he's deceivingly quick but he's also not rapid so it's like he has to put every drop of effort into like to get there a lot of the time. He's great at getting into positions and put a lovely ball and we've seen that loads of times. I mean the ball he put in for Guilffy Sigarton like the leads and things like that. He can put great passing but I do think he suffered from not having some cover of full back and Hammers Rodriguez not always being in the side as well. Do you think he should take more of our free kicks around the box? I think he should take all of our free kicks around the box. I think he's got a wonderful effort and you know promise were blessed with such a good free kick taken by Guilffy Sigarton. He's one of the most prolific free kicks. I don't get me wrong Guilffy's great on corners and stuff but free kicks just leave him to Luca Dina. It's been as I said getting an injury like that during the season must be so traumatic going through an operation recovering back to France I think to recover. He really wanted to get back but it must be hard because you do get back and then you think I'm back but it must take time. I don't get you through the first couple of games and then there's the drop machine. Some players don't come back to say that machine. I think overall I think you had a good season. I didn't obviously the assists fantastic and hopefully next season it's gone on the Euros with France as well as me so you'd be delighted with that and then hopefully we'll see the best of them next season. Moving on, Mason Holgate, this is going to be an interesting conversation. We sat here 12 months ago and picked him up and he'd finished the season, he'd had me going into the spares and came back against Villar and went off into the net. He'd had a good season for everyone and we talked about the possibility that he was number one centre back at the time. Possible captain material because he thought he'd had a really good season. And yet this season it's not really been the same. He's played 35 games, started 32. He's got one goal at Leicester, 12 clean sheets while he's been in the teams. He's intercepted on 1.3 passes per game, tackles two again, clearance is 2.9 and has but he's made two errors leading to goals. I think the way he got injured in that game against Preston pre-season was almost like the pre-season. It was the indication of what kind of season he was going to have. He gets caught in possession and then trying to be too clever, not concentrating on the game. And then goes to recovery tackle getting in his alpha 10 weeks and he never quite recovered from that again because that, don't forget, these players never had a pre-season. They were sort of relying on the fitness that they built up at the back in the last season. He comes back and we've already got players established and he found himself at right back. And don't get me wrong, right back he did well. It started to just suffer later on. As it went on it was like he started getting bored. He started not fully doing that job properly. And then it's sent him back some games he'd look alright and then other games he'd look abject and like again, concentration. It's not about just becoming a professional footballer and signing a deal and all that kind of thing. So what you do in the games, that makes you, that really makes you a player. You watch Ben Goffy this season, I'm going to come on some book, progression, gone one way and with Mason it's just like one step forward, two steps back. He never quite finds that consistency for one reason or another whether it's an injury or whatever. But I do think the biggest indicator was when the manager put him at right back as in to say, well you're not one of my best centrepacks. And I know that's come out of necessity but he's been in and out and the manager when he first came in really fancied me, he said I'll get really like them. And he could tell this season the manager started to waver on that and I think if a good offer came in for him I think I might take it because look at his age now he's not a young lad anymore. He's come into the middle part of his career where he has to be steady. And he'd expect himself to be established somewhere now, would be 24. Maybe that's his problem that he expects. I put most of these problems down to himself and he hasn't settled down. He came back from his loan at West Brom and he really did, that was really the catalyst for like I want to play football. But he's got this confident cocky side that he's not for me harnessing correctly. It's a real asset having confidence and having a little bit of arrogance. But if you don't harness it the right way it can get away from you and it can manifest itself in the wrong way. Just do your job, do your job, be steady, be steady, play 25 games in a row where you're just steady and you're getting on with it. And then you don't have to be amazing, you don't have to do cruelty and you just have to be a defender. And we were talking about this in another conversation and it's like he's got a touch of the John Stones this season where John Stones has found the real John Stones. Mae isi yn awgau, you still always throw up, I can say. He could defend but he also had a little touch of class this season. He can't defend and he hasn't shown much class. So the villa game shummed it up, didn't it? It's a big game and he makes that error. Bally Wockins doesn't give him a second. He won a little bit and obviously won a little too. I think he should go play it. I still feel like he might be a better defender of my field play which probably says it all about how he's defended this season. There's something in there but like you said if you can't, at 24, if you still haven't got it, and I don't mean got it as an ability wise because I think he's got the attribute. I think he's quite quick. He's not like them but he's quite quick. He's good on the ball. He likes a tackle. I like the fact he's got that little bit of arrogance about him. But if he's still not steady and settled at 24 as a centre back, it's uphill from there, isn't it? That's it. I think he's got concentration issues if I'm being honest with you. The worst thing about the villa goal the other day wasn't necessarily the mistake he made that led to the goal. It was the fact he made the same mistake two minutes earlier and didn't learn from it. He didn't think I've got away with one there. I won't do that again. He'd done the same thing two minutes later. I think he does come across as quite a cocky arrogant sort of player and an arrogant sort of member of the squad but he's not using that to his advantage. I think about Mason and I think is he a type of arrogant player that does he think he's the world of himself or is that like a front to cover what I am? I was going to say that. I'm a bit conscious about what I am. I'm picked for that the same. I don't care I'm boss. That's it. But is he, does he think that or does he just think if I have a potatoes then people will believe it when really you can see in his performances he doesn't think he's boss because he doesn't do what he's supposed to do. He doesn't do the basics. He's had the hard things. You've got to have a little bit of, you've got to be a little bit known as well. Like you've just mentioned there the Olly Walkins thing. It's like some days as a defender you've got to go this fella's good. This fella's got the better of me. So I'm not going to do anything that gives this fella a chance. And I know you've got it. Like a lot of it is in your head. It's about projecting about how good you are and fronting all that kind of thing and sometimes that covers up the issues but if you're not willing to face up to what the issues are. No else he reminds me of. He reminds me of Ross Barkley. He's got that, he's got it but he can't put it all together because he hasn't quite worked out what's not working. Do you know what I mean with Ross Ross? Ross was a good player and he's a good player but he can't put it together and he's also, he hasn't grown up. I mean he's seen that quite recently. He's not grown up enough to almost face what he's doing wrong. And sometimes that happens when the club turns around and he can go we don't want you anymore and you have to go somewhere else on that. I don't want that to happen but I almost feel like we've, you know, you better get it to us. Do you think it's worse this year because there's no crowding? So therefore do you think he slips into that? It's just, this is just like it's been. If we were there, say like we were in the crowd and he done the thing with Watkins two minutes earlier than everyone's going on his back, he's less likely to do that again. I think he feels nicer as well and I know he doesn't grab near but what I mean is that that's over egg and how good you are and I think when he went to the right back, I think he had to concentrate on his game and I think it really helped being just breathing in. He's got a bit bored with his teams doesn't he? But he got bored. He's seen it against Leeds. Leeds away. There's about three or four opportunities where he was just like getting the ball and just going, do you know what? I fancy doing a no luck pass here lads. And you're like, what? Yeah, yeah, I've mastered this position now. And I think there is a little bit on a like that like him. It's like, yeah, just cloof it and see what happens. Why not? It's like. He followed me around, he tried that no luck pass and gave it straight to him didn't he? And it's like, no, no. Just do the basics. Just do the basics right? Be a good defender. Let your game build up again. Maybe he needs to mature. But he's got it all the way up and down. I like him but he's 24 and we're talking about a fella there who will discuss in a minute who listen and he's only had one season but he's got three and hopefully he won't change but you never. But you've got to get to that stage where you mature enough to go. I just, you know, instead of being a flashy centre back, I'm just going to be a good centre back to defend. And then if I can get away with the odd croiff, I will, but I won't do it for the sake of it. You do that when you've got cover and you might have to go. I've said it before, I still think that he's more suited to me field for the simple reason that I look at centre backs, I look at centre backs now. The reason why I thought he might get away with it is, and I've said this to you before, there's less and less centre forwards like Chris Wood around. I barely, he went big and strong. But even when they're not big and strong, they're still strong. So I don't know whether he wants to come over the top of people and win headers and stuff. Whereas I think he's got the physical attributes I think to play in the six. It's whether he's disciplined enough and I don't know. I think it's times that we also need someone next to him who's strong to pull him into line. And I think when he plays with Michael Keane, I think you're just a disaster. You were talking about Keane, when you were talking about Keane before, Holgate before, it was like you were talking about Michael Keane. It sounded like you were talking about Michael Keane. It's the same conversation. I wouldn't quite go that far. No, but what I mean is some of the attributes of like just if what I meant was the one step forward, two step back comment you made. Like Michael Keane seemed to get on this run and you go, oh he's brilliant, of course he should be playing for England. And then two games later, you go on. Yeah, if a big comes in, we'll shell them both. Last week, summed up Michael Keane didn't he? Great against Walls and absolutely traumatic against Walls isn't he? There you go. So Holgate, yeah needs to do better I think. It's definitely a player in there, but he's had good spells for all this time. Both three centre back at 24, and if you've got a £15m bid, would you sell them? I'd sell them. I think the way we're going to have to do business this summit, then you probably would have to look at it. Cos we are going to need players to go out to bring in what we need. And sometimes it's a case of going right. If one of us, if a bid comes in for any of our centre backs, barb and go free, you've got to seriously look at it. And then go, we've also got Jarrod Branthwaith. If you've got good targets. Good targets, yeah. Don't do it for the sake of it. Don't get rid of him to bring in a 30-year-old year and then centre back from the middle. Not I'm not so much cooler about it. I just mean there's others like, mix him a bit. He's a bit hit and miss himself. It's like, I'd rather have him, cos you know that he can do a couple. Also, but he can do three positions for you. He can play right back, he can play centre midfield as well if need be. But if someone comes in with a bid, you might have to look at it and go, maybe we'll see. Sheamus Coleman, our captain, who has played 31 games for us this season. He's going to be 33 later this year, started 22 of them. Assist three, six clean sheets when he's been in the team. Average in 0.5 interceptions per game, 1.6 tackles per game, 1.3 clearances per game. He's made no errors, leading to goals. Sheamus Coleman, pet. Biggest conflwnant, I can say about Sheamus Coleman is, like I've said before is, the team never quite recovered from when he got the injury. It never found someone else. So there isn't anyone else who could play that role that would allow. Hammersfield, Eegas, the Diffdenfield. It's the first game he missed against when he missed from the start with Southampton. Ben Goff, he played there and Ben Goff, he didn't know he was coming or going. He had Hammersfield Eegas in front of him, he wasn't quite fit. He just destroyed us on that side, he absolutely destroyed us on that side. And from then on, we never found, we never ever looked comfortable playing that formation ever again this season. And he'd already brushed him back before that happened. And then he'd come back a couple of other times. It was interesting, we never really played that way again, properly. Obviously then, not long after that, Dean went out injured. The only one who kind of done anything like it was a role being asked for a game in half or something. So we never quite looked comfortable after that and I think that shows what Sheamus Coleman is saying. The Lefele is an absolute warrior, he'll run all day for you. We know what he's like, it's just that age is caught up with him and we haven't replaced him and that's a problem for the club. They don't replace him this summer, Jesus Christ. We've got real problems on hands because it's the most glaring and obvious open position that we need to sort. But when he played, listen, he is what he is, he's 32, he's hitting miss. Some games he looked great, some games he looked absolutely terrible. Some games he run through a brick wall for you. Fantastic at Anfield. When he's got the bit between his teeth at Anfield, he was giving a role to do and he did it to the team and it helped us win the game. And he's done that in other games. And again, it's a case of, he's played some games in a row and then run out of steam and you could see it. Listen, I would never have a go with him for that because he'd be the first one to sit there and go, I want to play. I want to play. Even with that, I like it. He knows when he's played well, when he hasn't played well, but application, you can't fault it. If you had more players like him in the dressing room, then you'd win more of those closer games than maybe he'd lost. So, it's just a sad fact that he's come to the stage of creating, where he really should just be a squad member, come on and do a job for you, play the odd game for you. Like, like, like Bainstead in his last season, when Dean coming, when we had that replacement. So, can't fault him for, you know, and hopefully next season he's replaced. But a good season overall, it was just a shame. Listen, if you're missing him, you're missing that player, then for me, he's done what he needs him to do, I think. No, I kind of agree, I think. The biggest worry for me is he's still our best right winger. And he's our right winger. That's a worry, isn't it? Because I know, listen Hamers, I don't class him as a winger, but what I mean is if Hamers isn't there, there's nobody else like Sheaimers who's going to run up and down a wall, he doesn't do it. And I've never done it. So, I mean, have you found Sheaimers calm in this season? Yeah, I think he's had a good season. He is what he is at the moment, Sheaimers calm. And it is unfortunate and age and fitness gets the better of him. And we know that Sheaimers probably should have been replaced last summer, to be honest. We should have ordered the other and you right back to come in and, you know, Sheaimers to come in and out. And this new right back could play the majority of the season. But we haven't had that and we've relied heavily on Sheaimers calm. And he does, he works hard, he battles, he gives it 110%. Sometimes he'll look absolutely fantastic, other times he'll get ran rings around him. But that's because, again, of his age and realistically, he shouldn't really be in there. We shouldn't be relying on him. It shouldn't be when Sheaimers calm him back. It should be Sheaimers as a back open. If he's on the bench, great, he can come on. If he's starting great, but we've got X, Y, O, Z to come on and replace him. But we haven't got that. But when he's being there, he's worked hard. He's battled, he's stacked there, three assists, six clean sheets. And Sheaimers calm is a fantastic saving to have in football club, isn't he? I love Sheaimers and I know we all do. Look, I'm not saying I want him to leave the football club, but as Ped said, he can't be starting games. We can't be relying on him next season. We absolutely can't be relying on him. But he could still offer us something off the bench. He could still offer us something in the odd game where, you know, we need that bit of grit and we need that bit of determination because he's got that and he's shown that throughout his entire effort and career, but he's coming to the end now, isn't he? And that's clear to see. Yeah, he definitely is coming to the end, but I still think 20 minutes coming off the bench, you know? You're not on a favour to Sheaimers, cos you know he's going to come on and start having a go at the opposition, which he doesn't really do when he starts. But when he comes on, it's a sub, he does have a cobbon. Donnie, he's come on against Chester Palace and was just having a go at Gwata straight away. He's like, what's happening to you? He should really be involved in maybe 15 games a season where, you know, you're going to get everything out of him. I care about cup games and stuff. Managing? Managing? Better? Cos he's still effective. I mean, I don't know how many videos we have to say in them. We have to start managing these players. And the only way, you can't, you know, you're asking players who've got injuries or who are older players to play in more games than they should be and that's a sad indictment of the squad and how bad it is. It really is. So do you think, you will move on now, but do you, cos this is level the call on Chelsea? It doesn't trust any younger players. Do you think it is a lack of trust? Or do you actually just think he looks at them inside and just goes, he's 33 and yet he's still... It's better than any of these. We know there's proof cos I've hadn't gone. We really do. I hadn't gone. I screamed at him. I've heard it myself. But he did give him a go. He gave him a go. Because obviously he looked alright at the end of last season. But he's brought them into the team and he asks them to be tactically aware and disciplined. And he isn't. And he knows if he can sell shame and come on to do a job, he'll do it. And it's like, if you do the job, then we don't have to worry about those other things because you've done the job. So it's not necessarily age for you. It's more whether they can cope with the awareness. Age factor comes from experience and knowing that football is not just about running around and taking people on. It's about getting back and doing your job and protecting people. It's got to be part of it. This is where... This is part of the thing one of the things everything seems to really struggle with with young players is getting them set up tactically ready. I know it's difficult because the only 23 is garbage. It really is garbage. And where else can we... Where else do we have the ability to do it? You know, delaying. You know, we send them alone and after them don't play. Or after them have picked up so many bad habits that they're not ready for that. That might be that, a tactic alone. They don't know how to do it. So what are we doing? What's happening below where players are not tactically switched on enough? I think that's a really... That is one of the things that is worrying for the app. Is that young players don't seem to be able to break through because they don't seem to be tactically ready? That's something that's definitely something that we have to look at. Moving on. We come to Michael Keane. 41 games played. Started 39 of them. Scored four goals this season in all competitions. 11 clean sheets, interceptions, one and a half. A game tackles 0.8. Clearance is four and a half a game. Not a single error leading to a goal. Michael Keane, camp, is someone that... I don't think he splits a ping in, but... No, he doesn't split a ping in. I don't think he splits it because I think a lot of people don't trust him. I think he has spells where he looks excellent. Michael Keane, you go. Yeah, he's cracked it. Very good defender. That might be because it's a low block, but whatever, but he's good. But then other times, like we saw at Manchester City the weekend, he'll do stupid things and we end up conceding goals. What's been your take on Michael Keane? I said before, Michael Keane was summed up in this last week of football Thursday. Wednesday he was absolutely excellent against Wolves. He dealt with everything in the air, everything on the floor. He was command and he was comfortable and three days later on Sunday against Manchester City. He was the best team in the world, et cetera, et cetera. But even just the basic things, he was everywhere he allowed. Aguero was about 4-4-2 to jump up and score a header without any pressure on him. And it's that inconsistency that Michael Keane let's be honest, there's always had since he's been at Everton. He's had really good spells. He's had really bad spells. He's never had one season where he's been really good for the entirety of the season. And it's that inconsistency that leads fans to the opinion that you can't trust them. You can't rely on a player who you don't know whether one day you could have Michael Keane on a Wednesday and then be absolutely brilliant and then you put him in on the satay and you think, well, he's been brilliant on the Wednesday and he makes two errors that lead to goals. I don't really know how that error is leading to goals has become none. It's obviously a very niche stat because I can think of about four off the top of me that he's made that have led to goals one being against Manchester City the other day. But again, it's a difficult one because he can be so, so good but he can also be so, so bad. I think he's a confidence player, Michael Keane and as Pedsed last week, he can't really have those plays. He can't rely on those plays. He can be part of the squad. He can come in as an wembo. He can't be having a player in every week who you don't know if he's going to be great or if he's going to be poor. He does suit certain styles. The low block, he suits perfectly. He comes from Burnley. That's how they play. But again, it's that inconsistency that I think has given Michael Keane a struggle this season as, as for the last two or three seasons at Everton. Yeah, I think that's a fair sum up. I know you're going to be a little bit harsher maybe but Michael Keane, what have you made of him this season? He's not full. No, I know that. But I mean, just as a general speaking, what do you think? Do you think Ham's right just too inconsistent? I know you are of the opinion and you're right because you can physically see it. You can see the confidence drain out of his body and I don't think I've seen that so glaringly obvious from miles away when you see it happen to him and all of a sudden he's just gone in a game. But you know what? This season he's had some really, really good games and he's had some really, really terrible games. And I just can't see the point. It's been the same since he came. He just, he can't be doing a confidence place as you just don't get it. I don't even know how to get to the level. I really don't. It's clearly a good footballer but I wonder if you've got to any kind of, if you did get to any kind of meaningful game in a season or a cup fan or anything, what he would be, because he just mentally seems to fall apart all the time when something happens to him. If it doesn't go right for him. It's not even if it goes right for him, it just seems to be like if he makes a mistake, it falls to bits. It's not even like the mistakes come because he fell to bits. It's like he falls to bits after he's made the mistake. And I would just be looking to get rid of him this summer. I really would. And I know he can be the nicest fella in the world and all this but he's not for me. He never really has been for me because I just can't see how you can cope with it. I honestly don't think he's a very good defender, are they? I don't think he, when I say that, he means he's like a ball magnet. He's always in the right place at the right time when the ball's coming. I've said it from day one. I don't think he smells danger as a defender. I don't think he sees danger as a defender. I think he does all the basic things but I don't think he fully quite gets it. I think the goal is second on Sunday was a prime thing of that. The right times have we seen Michael Keane lose the flight of the ball just like not just not getting it. Where yet he mean it always seems to be in the right place at the right time because he understands it. They're going back to like the Man United game at home. The defeat when it crosses into the box. And for me one of his big problems is is that when you stick him next to a hogate or something like that you want him to be the experienced defender who dominates, who screams and shouts and pulls everyone else in line. I don't see that with him. Is that any coincidence? Is that when he plays with Jerry Mina? Of course. Everyone looks better with Jerry Mina because Jerry Mina is a dominant centre back and he'll make sure he lets the other person know but he'll make sure he gets to the right place. I just think he's a fairly sellable asset. He's got four years left on a contract and I think he's still at a good age. 2028. This under club might think that they're the asset you need to keep him but for me if we want to move forward one of the positions that actually we really do need someone is another centre back, a really good talented centre back. And if Michael Keane could go out the door and we bring someone in then I'd do it in a hard piece. I really would. For me, I just don't see any... I don't see his level being consistent enough. I really don't. And on his day sometimes he looks really good as well though. He's unreliable and you can't really have unreliable players can you certainly not a squad full of them which is what we've got. I don't even think it's because of the way he plays either though. It is fully down to confidence. It's confidence all the time with them. You're almost waiting for that moment for it to ever wait. It's weird, you know what I mean? I don't know, I don't know, I'm not a footballer. It's the equivalent of taking a whitey and you see someone just feel sick and go and you think they're going to throw up but that's what he does in the game. He seems to be in control but he'll give something away and then his head seems to go and instead of I think he's getting football at that level and pick yourself back up. You've got to just go, it's gone. The best players are able to go, that's gone now. I've carried on or it's a goal but I've got to get me in. I've seen him have marvellous games, Amfield this year he was brilliant. He meant me, it was fantastic. He meant probably our best partnership still at the moment. I think goals he can see when they're together proves that they are the best partnership. The problem is we want to play higher up the pitch but the man has to like someone. I think he's a good defender but I do agree with what you're saying. It's a bit like what we were saying in the video when we talked about the new signings with Hamas. You can't build a team. You can't guarantee he's going to play. I don't know whether you can build a defender or the centre back, you don't know how they're going to perform. It just shows the drop-off that you go back maybe four months ago he was playing for England and now he can't get in a 33-man squad and there's some dros centre-backs in there. That's not just... That day obviously feel like they can't rely on them either that they can't pick them for games where it kind of is in the squad earlier on where they can connect it for the finals. It's almost like... I don't know whether we trust you. That's an issue isn't it? For me, I've said before on his day I think he's better than McGuire on his day but Harry McGuire he could probably go probably play seven out of ten most weeks where Michael Keane will be a nine and then a four and that's maybe Shalgate looks at the likes of me I mean Cody but then maybe Connor Cody, they know that that mentor might be strong. That's probably what I got for these in there they'll have a look at them in close quarters but... I think in general he's obviously been alright because the defence has been... He's had an open down season. I don't think you can rely on him I think if that means he's a sellable asset, sell him. It's a bit of a pity because you know you want someone a dominating one don't you? Harry Mene 29 games and this might be where the conversation goes 27 he started three goals, had six clean sheets one interception per game no point nine, tackles per game four and a half clearances errors leading to goals, one and I can't remember off the trap on me edwodd yr error was but there you go. Harry Mene 29 games is the first thing that sticks right out when you just we've had Michael Keane on 41 games we've had Harry Mene once. I think Harry Mene has proved to a lot of people this season that he's our best defender easily our best defender but the games is the problem and it's just so annoying because he gets injured in such random circumstances overstretching when he's desperate to clear the ball out. I mean I remember the one at Wolves, I think he was stretching because someone else had made a mistake and he's having to clear it up and he overstretches and he has to go off when a game that we're desperate to win and it's it is that that that is the problem again because I think he's a really good defender I think I've used the phrase ballmarking it he always seems to be in the right place when that ball comes into the box he's either there with his head or he gets his body in the way he's got a little bit of nastiness he loves talking to centre forwards trying to wind them up I think he's good with his feet a lot of people like he's Bambion Ice but he's not I think he's adjusted his position so he doesn't get caught out for pace a lot of the time I think there has been moments I think the one at Newcastle for their second goal I think he went too high and too tight there are moments where he's not the perfect defender but I certainly think he's our best centre back and it's just those injuries they seem to be creeping in at the wrong time and how do you build a partnership because I think him and Godfrey would be our best partnership they've got a bit of everything in there you've got Godfrey to deal with the pace side of things and him to deal with the aerial side of things and also him talking to Godfrey and pulling them through but it's just the injuries are just a problem and it will be interesting and that's when he's having you worrying well he's two years left on a contract now you've got to make a decision like we did with Keen last season you've got to make that decision you give them the contract and then maybe see what happens let's be honest you could tell them next season with four years left but you have to do something you have to make that decision this summer so they've got a decision to make whether they go well you know what I don't know I just do think he's a good defender but has he showed that decision? Definitely he is better than people give him credit for isn't he and people like to say that like Perth just said he's bandion he's sure he's not this or he's not that and yet the reality of a lot of that is it's nonsense because he is all of those things he's a good defender he's not slow, great and he's not always injured but the injuries have creeped up this year he's our best centre half hasn't he, you've seen that even recently the West Ham games look how much better we performed defensively than the game against Billy or the game against City the other day he's a chef a little bit like his Colombian team mate, he's that important to us but you know sometimes you get a ymuno like last week where Carlos saying oh yeah everybody's fit on the Friday and we get to the Sunday and he's nowhere to be seen now he's a complete ball magnet he smells the danger brilliantly every time a ball comes in whether it's with his feet whether it's with his back whether it's with his head, whether it's with his body it's going out and he's getting rid of it he sniffs the challenges as well he's straight into the challenges and I think he's that type of defender that isn't afraid to rough up the centre for he done it against West Ham first five minutes he's straight into the back of Antonio and he put Antonio over and he stood up as if to set you because that and he looked at him and went well probably don't want that actually but nobody else does that everybody Michael Keane's far too nice he doesn't want to hate that's it, that's it Shakespeareans doesn't want to hate the centre forward Mason, he's got a little bit of that but isn't good enough to really back it up and Ben Goffrey just gets on with what he does whereas Jerry Mina isn't afraid to go through the back of the centre forward I actually think he'd have been very good in the city game because he went straight in on Aguero as soon as he came on and went this is a testimonial game I don't care mate, do you want to play on Saturday he'd have gone straight through but his injuries are a real big issue and he does it to himself a lot of times because he's making up for other people's mistakes and remember on a Fadi, Lester he had Fadi off the game because he was chatting and he was in his air and he was saying that thing where Fadi was looking at him because he didn't have a clue what he was saying he kept looking at him and he was laughing and he could see him and he was like he was about that in footy where someone a big fella just decided to try and put it off your game and the following and the saying things and it's in your earing you're going I'm going to get next time you do that I'm going to crunch you and you're saying doing it to centre forward and it's horrible and Michael Keynes probably like sorry mate what did you watch that Netflix documentary on and all that and you watched Money Heist he's a rough centre off who wants to battle wants to fight, wants to get in people's faces he wants to fight he wants to fight but he's good as well we had that with Romero Funes Maori but he wasn't very good he was battling but he was awful at footy he should have played the front frost he did not he was a striker but he's a brilliant defender but he's got all of that as well maybe he wouldn't be as much of a miss if we had other centre backs that had that bit of a streak about them but he's the only one that's got that and not only his defensive work but like I said he's a battle that he works at and most of his injuries come from that come from over stretching or come from signing a make-up for a mistake somebody else has made and a decision does need to be made and I'm going to be sad to see him go because he's for me like I said to take Godfrey out of the equation because he's only new he's much better than Keenan Hallgate much better than Keenan Hallgate but now I think he's being brilliant this year when he's played that's the problem isn't it is that if we would have had him for the majority of the games we might have been higher up we wouldn't have lost a certain amount of the stupid games we've lost put it that way and then obviously the final one of this is the man we've both mentioned he's both mentioned at times Ben Godfrey 36 games played this season it's the start of 34 of them two assists 11 clean sheets interceptions 1.1 a game tackles 1.8 a game clearance is three and a half a game and errors leading to goals zero not a bad opening season now he's been brilliant hasn't he he's been a real bonus for us this season as we've tried to as he and others have tried to figure out what his best assets are where he's best playing centre back and he's done a job in all of them and I think he will become a number one centre back well not a number one centre back one of our number one centre backs and whether that be with Jerry Mino or a new centre back then his pace, his recovery pace his pace getting the ball going forward his attitude, his tackling he's a bit rough round the edges his passing still needs to be worked on when the ball bounces him in the box off a corner he needs to react a little bit aggressive because he's got about seven goals he could have yeah but I think fans have really ratted on to him because he just shows what we all want and he's now the blueprint almost he's created the blueprint of what we want as a player a player you can bring in from a lower league side or a side on the up a plit and he wants it and you know he's been putting the 33 provisional man squad for the England whether he goes to the Farrows or don't know we as Everton and we're just like it's mad if they don't because he can play three different positions and he does give you something I don't see in many England players there's no pace in that backflip but he's also got that little bit of he's got a devilment in as well you can see that in his face when he goes on for the tackles he's an old fashioned player that we all love and we love you know this is the old song you know we all dream of a team with well it would be Ben Godfrey's for us wouldn't it it's been exceptional so it's been a great season especially for someone who came out of nowhere came out of absolute nowhere we were all a little bit annoyed last summer that we never got Gabrielle or Everton seemed to walk away from that when that team stitched up but on reflection you know I'd rather have Ben Godfrey than Gabrielle by a million miles me too me too absolutely spot on again there was very little expectation when he'd come in he'd come in for a big price tag but it was almost as if right you'll bed in this season he might be in and out he might play a few games but for the majority of it he'll be sort of in the background and then maybe next season and the one coming up will be his season where he really shined in the first team but through injury and through necessity he was thrown straight in and you know he's been absolutely excellent he's everything that we need to sign this summer young quick versatile mobile big hungry physical battles isn't afraid to throw a challenging and he's got the right attitude ultimately he's got he was tall you know we got to December or November December Lucadine picked up an injury and he went yeah I'll go there I'll play there can't guarantee I'll get as many assists but I'll battle that way hard and I'll do a solid job and he was absolutely excellent at left back for the time that he was there to the point like I said before where when Lucadine returned everyone was going well can we maybe have Lucadine and Ben Godfrey on the same side because Ben's been that great he's been in the season by a long stretch because of his consistency no injuries and the fact that he's come in and he's a battlehead he's physically when he goes on them runs he's like an absolute steam saying nobody can keep up with them and he's got areas to improve on of course he has but he's 22 years old he's the same age as me and look at the size difference between me and Ben Godfrey you think he's me dad but now he's excellent and he will only get better and he is the profile the prototype of the player that we need to go and sign 3, 4, 5 more of Ben Godfrey's in the summer Yeah totally agree I remember people being moan and the fact that we'd spent 20 million on the centre back we didn't need in October when we bought them but how wrong he proved those people and he's been fantastic and you're absolutely right it's the type of player that needs to be signed in the summer young great athlete fantastic there you go that is our review of Everton's defence let us know what you think in the comments section below who's been the performer of the season defensively forever and who do you want to see moved on is there any names out there you'd like to see come in to that back for thanks to CAM make sure you give the video a thumbs up subscribe if you haven't and if you want more videos including daily live videos join us on 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