 There is a new way to polygraph someone and this is a company called Conversus, or no, just Converse. Converse. Converse. Converse. Converse. Hmm. The product is called iDetect. Aha. It can detect liars just by looking into their eyes. Or can it? Let's just say this. There was a case a few years ago, a volunteer track coach in New Mexico on trial for allegedly raping a 14-year-old girl. His lawyer asked the judge to admit the evidence from one of these iDetect tests, a lie detection test that's simply based on eye movements. Well, his attorney said he took the test and he passed, that he told the truth, he did not rape that 14-year-old girl. The judge agreed, five of the 12 jurors wound up voting not to convict, they declared a mistrial. Now, again, that's not the same as saying the guy didn't do it, but it is a mistrial, therefore he's not guilty. The chief executive says that they've, well, they may retry it. True. The chief executive, Todd Mickelson, says they have built a much better truth detection mousetrap than the good old polygraph. That eye movements reflect their bearer far better than the old polygraph. They have 600 customers and they say that this is all about the polygraph in more algorithmic clothing. Listen, the polygraph measures blood pressure, breathing, sweat to figure out if you're lying. And the way he describes it, again, this is the guy who is in, Todd Mickelson, the chief executive of this company. He says the polygraph is emotional, iDetect is cognitively based. And he explains eye movements would be affected because you have to think harder to lie than to tell the truth. The polygraph measures blood pressure, breathing, and sweat to determine the lying. That's what sounds better. You see. Oh, yeah, it does, doesn't it? It's like a new coat of paint on that point. New coat of paint. Yeah. Like that spin? I do. That's a good one. People have been trying to make these predictions about who's lying and who's not for a long time. There's a psychologist at Brandeis University conducted some of the leading research in the field of truth detection. Oh, yeah, Leonard Sacks. That's the guy. Yeah. He says science really hasn't progressed much in the last hundred years. The other issue is who the hell listens to lie detector tests anymore. What judge in New Mexico would have allowed the evidence from a brand new lie detector test no less, not even an old fashioned polygraph test that's been used and studied over and over and over again, whether it's reliable or not, is up for argument. This is a brand new version of it. The American Psychological Association says that most psychologists agree there is little evidence that polygraph tests can accurately detect lies because good liars can cover up ticks. 1988 federal law bans private employers from administering these things. Most states don't accept them as evidence in court either. So make way for eye detect. It's terrifying, isn't it? They said that describing this as a groundbreaking technology may be jumping way ahead of it because it's okay to be skeptical about all of this. We see things. They use an example of the soft drink industry. Sodas with diet sweeteners that come in and are supposed to be game changing. There's no side effects. It's like real sugar doesn't change the formula of your soda, whatever, but then you taste it and you're like, nah, I don't know about that. And you also grow a third finger out of the back of your neck or something like that. Yeah, maybe there is something wrong with that, but they always fall short of their promises. About 15 years ago, they came up with a lie detector based on a functional MRI, which says that the blood flow to the brain could hold the key to truth detection. But it didn't meet scientific standards, cost and intensiveness, further inhibited broad adoption. You don't want to get an MRI while someone is throwing questions at you about whether or not you've ever hurt anybody. The police like this thing. They say people will come in nervous because they're expecting to see what they have on TV. You know, you're hooked up to this machine, you're sweating and it's crazy. This, he says, it's just clean and quick according to Lieutenant Josh Hardy of the Wyoming Highway Patrol. They've used eye detector screen more than 150 prospective job candidates in the last two years. And it's, it's pretty cheap. It's about $5,000 for this system. Let me see it. Look at my eyes. No. And then, no, I am lying. My question is, if you get tagged, tabbed, like if this, if this guy, this volunteer track coach accused of raping a teenage girl, what if he's innocent, but he's terrified about the prospect of going to jail for 15 years? That's why they're thrown out. That's why polygraph tests are thrown out all the time. It doesn't make any sense. Okay. Look at, look at me. Not gonna. Look at me. When we come back, swamp watch, we'll talk a little bit more about that, uh, three hour conversation between Joe Biden and President Xi from last night and how things are going. Do you think I'm funny? Layla, I didn't even look at you. You could, you could not see. My eyes were closed.