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And I, yeah, I think I went up and traveled and saw my daughter last week and actually she's coming home to see the animals, I think more than us this week. Well, I am good. I'm really, really good. I'm feeling really up for it this week. Yeah, that's good. I've got my, I've got my water. It's not a Stanley Cup, guys. I know there's a huge Stanley Cup craze. This is not a Stanley Cup, but I got my big water here. I think Catherine and I have joked before about how much water we drink. We're probably the most hydrated human beings on the planet right now. But we have a really great topic. This was kind of your idea. And also, I kind of had a little bit of an idea around it and talking about people like giving up on their dreams. And so I'll let you kick it off, Catherine. What made you want to talk about this today? What's inspired having this conversation about people's dreams and their lives and their ambitions and their goals and giving up too quickly? And Gina is something that's really been in my awareness for quite a while now. And I think because a lot of my work is on various different platforms. So the YouTube and we've spoken to death about the truth of community. But when my main background is health and wellness, holistic health for humans and animals. And if you take platforms like Instagram, for example, what I'm seeing is we're living in a culture now where people say they want one thing. So, for example, a lot of people are turning against big pharma and that way of managing disease rather than creating hell. And yet they still want an instant fix. And even when we're looking at turning around new habits, whether it's whether you're in a financial dire straits and you're looking to get yourself out of that or relationships, you know, you're you're you're attracting toxic relationships all the time in any areas of your life or your career is not on point on your health's not on point. It's this what I'm realizing is so many of us haven't got enough desire or focus or have really thought about our why to really stick the course. So you and I work with people with home based businesses as well with things like the ASEA. And it's amazing how many people give up at the first obstacle. And I'm not just talking about a certain generation. I'm talking about all ages here. And it's really been making me think over the last few months about where is this lack of resilience come from? Where is this? I've got lots of ideas where it's come from, which we can discuss, but it makes me very sad because what we see time and time again, it doesn't matter what mentor you follow, whether it's in spirituality, whether it's in business, whether it's in manifestation, whether it's in health, the message is consistent. Most people give up on whatever their dream or goal is just before they're about to make that breakthrough. And I find it heart wrenching to see it happening so much at the moment. I see it over and over and over and over again in my work in Ashtanga Yoga. And it's interesting because in the shower this morning, you know, I was thinking about this because I was telling off camera, Catherine, there's the Sanskrit term. It's parampara or parampara, it said both ways. So parampara basically means that it is information given from a teacher to a student and different from like an apprenticeship. It's kind of like an apprenticeship, but there's no term limit. And this is a very sacred way of teaching. And we see this in Ashtanga. We also see this in other, you know, you think about music teachers. A lot of people actually are doing parampara with their piano teacher where they're sitting with one teacher at the piano for years, learning an instrument from this person. And it's not just the academic learning. It's actually the hands on adjustment. Like when people take piano, they get adjusted. And in Ashtanga, they get adjusted. And so the purpose of this though is that it's like building a snowball. You know, you start and you're slowly learning and integrating the information so that you one day can become the master. And I think what's happened and I don't know if this is, I don't actually believe that this has been a problem for in some other timelines. But as of recently, it seems like people feel like they are the exception to the rule that they can leapfrog over the beginning to get to the end. And you know, one of my favorite human beings in the world, Marnie Alton talks about in her class is a lot talks about ballerinas. The prima ballerina is only the prima ballerina because she understands the beauty in the foundation. You know, if you can't have, if you have a beautiful chandelier, that chandelier means nothing if you don't have a great foundation of your house. And so I think what's happening in all aspects of our world around us is that we want to do something, we have a dream, we have an ambition, but we think the expectation of how we're going to get there isn't the reality. And so whenever there's resistance or pushback or it's not happening fast enough, we walk away and we're angry. And that's just not reality for anything. Anything in life is going to take time and it's and it's in those obstacles that you face with anything are necessary obstacles to build your resistance, to build your strength, to build your wisdom around what you're doing, whatever that might be. Does that make sense? Yeah, completely. And I think it's the pace of life now. I mean, we know there's so many reasons for this. We know that we're being poisoned from every possible source. We know we're being brainwashed and mind controlled and it's so much easier now because most people have got some sort of media playing or watching all the time. So it's very hard, you know, you can't even go into a shop without records playing or songs playing or billboards flashing certain things up when you're driving along the motorway or, you know, electromagnetic pollution. We're being bombarded from all areas. But the thing is, I don't take that as an excuse. Lots of people say yes, it is. And of course, we've all got different predisposed strengths and weaknesses, not just from genetics, but also from toxins, lifestyles that we've inherited and been bought into in our early years. So it's not that it's not valid and that it doesn't affect you. That's not what I'm saying. But there's plenty of people that have shown that you can override those influences. Some might need to work harder than others. So for example, if you've been born in a very toxic environment and your mother's passed on lots of toxins to you, you've been bought up in a home that's multi, all sorts of things like this, you're going to have perhaps some health challenges that you're going to have to work harder to achieve. But we know that we can do it all. But this quick fix mentality, just the very fat now that most people won't sit through a long form video and they want something 30 seconds and you're buggered if you do and buggered if you don't because everyone only wants something short and quick and it's got to be quick. I mean, I can't even read off the stuff on Instagram or TikTok because my brain doesn't work yet. Yeah, yeah. But the youngsters do and people that are on that the whole time do. But equally, it's the fact that in one respect, people want that quick fix. But the next respect, they'll come back and say, well, where are the scientific studies? Where is this? Where that? So this is complete conflict and what they've forgotten is that everyone will look at a bit of information or a lifestyle decision or a challenge through their personal lens. Therefore, whoever's giving the information stops shooting the messenger. And I'm not just talking about myself and talking about in general because what you need to give you proof will be completely different to what I'd need to give me proof. So the owners should then be on you as the individual to going if it's triggered something in you, a curiosity to go and find out what you need to know to convince yourself because no one else can do that for you. So how that links into giving back on your dreams so much is we talk about all the things that we don't want in the world. But look at what the truth of community has done Bryce by saying when we all get in a salvage is a harrow and we get this money when we get med beds is more feeding into the same thing having to get to the end result as you said without having put in the steps. And I'm sorry, but there's never satisfaction in that approach. No, and I want to apologize guys. It's very pollinating right now in Atlanta, Georgia. So if you see me obsessively blowing my nose, that's why. But yeah, absolutely. It's interesting because I'll give you guys like an example. So the type of yoga that I practice you have to go to India. It takes at least 10 to 15 even sometimes 20 years to be granted the permission to teach. It's a big deal of being a student. I'm at the 18 year mark and I have I do have the authorization. But as a student, I've been doing this for 18 years. Well, in Atlanta, Georgia right now, there's a couple of people who are going around trying to be Ashtanga teachers. They've never been to India. And I know that's why because I know why because from the outside looking at an Ashtanga teacher is somebody who is extremely fit can do really wicked things with their bodies because they've been practicing for a very long time. They're very knowledgeable in philosophy. They usually speak Sanskrit. They're usually kind of badass. They get up at two, three o'clock in the morning and they run these programs where they're flipping people. They usually are covered in tattoos. So there's this kind of like this rock star image with the Mysore Ashtanga teacher. And even before I was one, I perceived that as such seeing my teachers. But what people don't realize is that Mysore teacher is exhausted. They're working very hard for not a lot of money. There's a lot of sacrifice, but people want the image. And what's happening in Atlanta is there's these people going around trying to teach these Ashtanga workshops without the education to actually teach a workshop. And it's blowing up in their faces. So if you want to do this, you have to go and put the time in in order to be grounded, to not be stars in your eyes about the practice, but be very grounded in it so that you can teach it. You know, to be grounded up to not to allow students to lionize you as well. And so that's just an example. And so they don't have their foundation. We see also with like social media. I mean, I was supposed to do a show with Shanti yesterday. We'll probably do it next week over the Yacht Girls, which are these Instagram models who appear to, they're in their 20s. They appear to have like millions of dollars and living this fabulous life. But what they have to do to get that money is atrocious. Most people in their 20s don't have money. Most people in their 20s have to work from the ground up and you're right, even with the truth or community, I've laughed because I mean, I would love for someone to come and give me a million dollar check, but it's probably not going to happen. And that's, it's my responsibility. And I laugh because they're all sitting around waiting for something to happen. It's for someone to come and protect them and save them and give them money, but yet they're against communism. Why can't, why aren't you good enough to get up off your butt and actually do it for yourself? Why can't you make it happen for yourself? Are you so much satisfaction in that? There's so much now. I do get if someone's got or loved ones got a terminal illness. I completely get the desperation for the med beds. I completely 100% get that. I doubt whether there's a single person watching this that hasn't got some loved one, whether it's human or animal doesn't matter that they know would massively benefit from being allowed a complete new reset. So I please don't think I'm saying that there isn't a purpose for this. And we do know that people do have miraculous healings all the time. I mean, there's so many teachers out there that do that. Even some of the dubious ones in the old that have been found to be abusers still have had miraculous healings happen under their care. So, you know, this is, it's a tricky one because our culture now is tricking people all the time. You know, I talk about manifestation a lot and I see it happen in my own life time and time again. And I see when I'm consistent with my practices, it happens and when I'm not, it doesn't. And even though I know that sometimes I'm not consistent with my practices and then it doesn't happen. So it's not the fact that we can't make things happen. It's the fact that when you give up on your dreams too early the amount of people I talk to or work with when you say, what do you really want? Right, okay, if I just asked you to write down now the most important goal in your life in whatever area of that life that can be and for you, not for what someone else wants for you, for what you want for yourself. Most people can't do it, Bryce. They can't do it because they haven't allowed themselves. Their levels of chronic stress are so high that they just haven't allowed themselves to dream big. And therefore it's easier for people because this is the matrix of how we've been taught to live. It's easier to make people settle for mediocracies, settle for long-term medications, settle for long-term debt, settle for the things they don't want because as soon as people, the dark forces and the laws of the universe know really well that all you've got to do is really have clear focus, feel into the emotion as already it's always happened and not give up. And if we all did that, everything about our lives and therefore the planet we're living on would change. So when people are giving up too early, please realize this is part of the matrix. Yeah. Why? Anyone that's making you give up too early, trust me, has not got your best interests at heart. No, and it's, you know, you can look at it in the spiritual world, we call it the initiates path. The initiates path is never easy, but you can also say that with any business, with any goal, that it's not going to be easy. They're going to be obstacles. And I will say too, even just looking at like even what I do for a living, you know, you've got somebody who's been working the practice, working the practice, working the practice and they're slowly improving. And then all of a sudden they have this week where everything's tight again, where they feel stiff. And I know from experience that they're about to have a breakthrough. Yeah. And sometimes it's like that slingshot. Sometimes the rock has to be pulled back a little bit before it can be released forward. And what, and how sad is that when someone gives up when they're literally just about to be pushed forward? It's, it's not analogy. It is such good analogy. Do you think price, this is we're having a really good mentor or coach or therapist or friend that you can have these conversations really come in? Someone that you love is your best interest at heart. That is, and that goes back to the whole parampara or parampara, same both ways because you are submitting to the teacher, to the teachings of the master, whatever that is, whether that's in a spiritual capacity, whether that's in music or science or whatever you are submitting. Now, now don't be confused. This is not a cult leader. The teacher is trying to take over your life in every aspect. That's not a master. That's a cult leader. This is somebody that's just going to help you and teach you. And also the hard part is, guys, they're not here to coddle you. They are going to show you your blind spots. I was saying with Steve the other day on a show that that's the hardest part for me as a mice or teacher specifically with my students is that when I see them having that doubt instead of, because my nature is to go and put armor like it's okay. You want to go take a rest? It's okay. But I know that that's a necessary obstacle they're going through. And it is my job to hold the space and say, do it again. But again, now with my education, I also am responsible when I know they're there. They really need a break. Then I know, okay, I need to lay off a little bit and we'll step back into this tomorrow. But that is that good mentor that's going to say, keep going. You're struggling. Keep going. Even if it's just putting one foot in front of the other, even if it's just crawling for the day, keep going because anything, everything in life is going to have resistance. There is not. I love those graphs where people show like what I think success looks like point A to point B and it's a straight line. What success really looks like and it's this and going back and you know, and that's again, that is true for every single industry. I don't care if you're trying to be a yoga teacher or if you're trying to be a restaurant owner or if you're trying to be a scientist. It doesn't matter. That pattern is because we're humans. That's going to exist in every single aspect of life. You know, and I remember right before I went to college what my piano teacher actually, my mother was talking about different options of what I was thinking about doing when I grew up. You know, if my mother had said something about, oh, but this business is really tough for people. My piano teacher looked at my mom and said, all businesses are tough. If that's what she wants to do, let her do it. All businesses are tough. There's no guarantee. All businesses are tough. And we were saying to Catherine like, you know, when you go to university or college or a trade school, for example, the real learning actually doesn't start until you actually leave the school anyway because then you're having to integrate. And so if you think about even if we're talking to someone who's 40, 50, 60 years old that's still trying to achieve that goal, you have all this life experience, will that goal still these integration? Give it time to integrate. Yeah, completely. And the integration, we've spoken about this a lot, but it's a crucial stage that most people want to jump past. But the problem is, is there's so many studies to be done. You know, look at lottery winners, most of them, the vast majority of them lose the money straight away and it ruins their life. Because they haven't made the changes themselves so they don't believe at a heart level, at a soul level that they deserve that money. They don't believe that they're the type of person that can have that money. And therefore it ends up doing the negative for them instead of the positive. So I think anyone, if you're sitting there and you're thinking, right, I've got this health challenge or this financial challenge or relationship challenge or I don't know what my, what I want to do then allowing yourself time to really ask those questions and sit with it and try different things and see what lights your fire. Because a lot of the time people have had it so suppressed, they don't know when you ask them. So ask your friends, you know, what is it? When do you see me my most vibrant? And the answers might surprise you. Yeah, yeah. And I was about to say too, when you hit, you know, one thing I love about Ram Dass as I quote him all the time is that he would always talk about when you perceive an obstacle. Look at his interesting. You know, so how do you change your mindset when that, when the hard times come because they're going to come for everyone. If you're, if you're trying to do a job and you hit an obstacle and you, you want to quit, can you perceive, can you change the way that you perceive this? Can you change the way that you see this instead of going, oh my God, this sucks. I'm going to quit. This is awful. It's not fair. Life's not fair, blah, blah, blah. Go, oh, interesting. What can I learn from this? What is the opportunity being presented for me to gain more wisdom in this craft, whatever it is you're doing, that's going to make me a better master in the future because I've been given this opportunity to learn through this obstacle because that we learn through obstacles, right? That's why we all had to take multiplication time test. We were kids, right? We learn through the obstacles. We learn how to move through them and we gain more wisdom not necessarily just about the obstacle but about the craft we're working on. You know, in the initiates path, you have so many things thrown at you, so many obstacles and it's like the universe keeps saying, are you sure you want this? Are you sure you want this? Okay, go through this fire now. Go through this now. Okay, now you've learned something even more that's going to make you more grounded in this craft and whatever it is that you're, when I say craft guys, please don't twist that word. I mean like a trade, whatever. I'm not talking about occult stuff. I just realized we're probably going to get somebody saying that. I mean like a hair dresser or like whatever it is, whatever it is that you want to do, you know? And it's interesting. I was talking to my hairdresser down in Florida and we were talking about it and I was like, I could never do your job because I would have a hard time working with so many people in one day and if someone got angry at me, it would be really hard for me. And she was like, well, you learned how to handle that. Isn't that a good thing? A good example of what we're talking about. If you are a hairdresser, not noting the snowball stance in hell, are you ever going to go your whole career without having a difficult client or two? And when you have a difficult client, you learn how to handle it. You learn how to work with that. Amazing. It's interesting. It's an opportunity. It really is. So I think, you know, my overarching message is if you've given up on something that's a passion of yours that's a dream of yours or you're about to, find someone, find some accountability partner, either a friend, a family member, a therapist, a coach. A life coach. You know, there's so many out there. Find someone that you resonate and that you really trust has got your best interest and that doesn't have to be paid for. You know, there's various ways to be creative if you haven't got the money for a pace of someone and make sure they help you stay focused on your goal, your dream and don't give up because the breakthrough, as you said, just when you think it's got too difficult, that's nine times out of 10. That's just as you're about to have your greatest breakthrough. And I find it heart-wrenching. You know, I see it all the time on the health side of things where people have had conditions that they might have had for 10 years plus and they'll give something a go and they'll give up within a couple of months and you're like, you're telling everything about your mind, body and soul that you're not worth it. Yeah, you know, your body's been coping and keeping you going just about or your mind for all these years in the hope that you're going to keep looking and then you keep looking and you give up too easily. You know, that's not what life's about. No animal in nature would ever survive if it had that attitude. And so sometimes the convenient lifestyles that we live we might moan about them a lot but they're not in our best interest because you've got to go through those challenges to actually build that resilience. Well, it's funny too with kids like if you look at a little kid who's trying to learn a cartwheel they don't give up. No, they'll bruise themselves. They'll, you know, they'll scrape themselves but then once they nail that cartwheel they're going to call you out and have you watch them do it like five because they're so proud of themselves, right? You know, I saw a video the other day of a little kid. I guess he had just learned to ride a bike. He was really little and he fell off his bike and he stood up and he goes, Yes! And he got back on his bike. So like every time you hit that obstacle can you not just go, Oh yes, this is a new opportunity for me to get even stronger. And one thing too, to consider off of what you were saying, you know, we say it a lot, the devil sometimes the devil you, you know is better than the devil you don't know. And I find that a lot of people in my own work outside of YouTube are actually afraid of themselves. Yeah. They're afraid of how powerful they are. They're afraid of the breakthrough. They want the breakthrough but they're also afraid of it. Absolutely. So that obstacle becomes an excuse to not have to learn ever learn fully what they're capable of. Yeah. And so maybe for some people watching right now that might be an aha moment. Is it the obstacle you're afraid of? Or is it yourself? Are you afraid that if you actually conquer that obstacle, you're going to prove something to yourself that you didn't know about yourself? That's so funny you raise that. It's so pertinent because I J April and I did a show last night on it was our third one in our manifesting series and we were doing about lofty questions but also fear of success and also about how each chakra point is almost its own manifestation portal and moving up through those. But this is such a big thing is the fear of success because our self identity is so deeply rooted in our financial statement our families financial status our health status. You know, how many times do you oh, it's hereditary. It's like, well habits are hereditary. You know, so you know science is categorically proven at the moment. I mean, it might well change but less than one far less than 1% of diseases are actually hereditary but lifestyle choices are hereditary. You've only got to look at the difference in diets in different regions of the world to see that. So I think this fear of success is if this last few years of us all talking about these issues and master controllers and people who are doing this and that to us is how, you know, David, I could said it would love him or hate him he said it right from the word go we've got to do a say no and not comply but the same goes for any challenge you're talking about you just got to get to that stage where you actually say no more I'm really excited to change and just open yourself up to what comes and if you is much easier if you've got an accountability partner that just when you're wavering someone can say no don't keep going just like any good sports coach does. Absolutely. And that's crucial to have somebody that can be kind of your hold the space for you so that you can face yourself truly face yourself. Don't believe everything you think this mind we have this is a negotiator, you know and it likes its patterns and it likes what it knows and sometimes the mind knows the discomfort and the mind knows the suffering but what in the mind is afraid of what it doesn't know so it's going to go back to that place of suffering whereas actually your spirit is much bigger than that and so and give yourself that time again sometimes that's why it takes a while for things to integrate because you're learning you're getting to know yourself your true self and how amazing would it be instead of just waiting around for some white night to come in and give us an Asara check or some white night to come in and give us a med bed how amazing would it be if we could do that for ourselves if we were our own white night and that maybe is what you're afraid of if it is what you're afraid of journal about it talk to yourself about it interesting right oh I'm afraid of I'm actually this whole time I've been thinking I'm afraid of the controllers but it's actually me I'm afraid of in my own greatness you know when you get given something from an outside source that's a one-off event normally and if it is too easy it's not going to change anything about you your behavior your habits but when you've done it yourself look at every successful business person you know when they've achieved themselves they're not worried about going bankrupt because they know if they've done it once they can do it again and quicker normally the second time round because they've learned a lot more lessons so there's such a freedom in knowing that you know you can recreate and therefore whatever life shows at you you've got you know you're resilient enough to find a way around it and thrive and you hear people being interviewed the whole time about this about look at how many people who've had cancer that say actually if they survive it say that was the best thing that ever happened to me because I've fundamentally have got completely different outlook on life now people that have gone bankrupt people that have lost everything you know divorce separation it's absolutely traumatic at the time but when you get through it you're a stronger person for it with a lot more resilience and have opened up a lot more opportunities for yourself yeah that was I've said it before when I broke my sacrum that was the best thing that ever happened to me I almost quit because I had so much pain but I didn't I just I just of course corrected and changed it and I found Marnie Alton's bar and now I'm stronger even with my boyfriend and just me at 41 years old he's like your body is feels so much better now that it did even before that because I made that decision that even though it hurt even though it was painful even though it was hard and I wanted to quit I knew I had to keep going and if I can do it let's you guys if I can do it anybody can do it if I can do it anybody can do it you know that's why people who train from from marathons are so changed you don't think you know Marathon's hard some of my friends who've done marathons are absolutely amazing I mean they are you know all ages all level of fitnesses all type of physiques they haven't made an excuse they've just gone for it and they've done it and you are forever changed after you've done that done one are you just a 5K or a 10K or you know you look at people like my dad used to laugh and say nobody smiles when they're running because running is painful like you know but you learn through that grit you learn and you learn that resilience you are focused on the uncomfortableness but yet that that amber of spark of life that says just take one more step yeah just stay just take one more step and that's that's so life changing so many runners I know same thing that they've just deciding to do that decide making that decision to come rain or shine come come that they're just going to do it and they're going they're going to do it they're going to accomplish it might take them seven hours to run that marathon but you know what they ran it exactly you know me who's never even tried one and so I just think you know this shows the importance of having a goal so I would encourage anyone who's watching this to really take some time this week to think I love Bob Proctor you can look up Bob Proctor on YouTube he's got some amazing results but get yourself a piece of card write a goal down in the present tense not something you're going to do in the future and make sure it scares you make sure it makes your heart flutter make sure it makes you think Oh God and but write it down yeah I still have have you do it they have you do it in this guys they have you write down your affirmation that says you know let's just say something silly let's say you want to be in a really good relationship I am in a really good even though you might not be I am in a really good you're putting yourself there so I agree with that and I also want to ask our audience to Catherine if you don't mind I think it'd be kind of cool if you guys want to share with us like what are some goals some things that you really want to do but you're scared up will you share those with us will you because I want to I want to know I want to get to know you guys better and then or if you if you've accomplished something that no one thought you could accomplish what were your challenges and what did you do to share some advice in the comment section or in the live the premiere chat share some advice of what you did to get yourself through that absolutely because I mean I even know I mean we're still living as long as you're still living we're still undergoing challenges aren't we Catherine so I want to hear from you guys completely always well and look forward to them as well and go and look it's not a normal plug but go and have a look at the interview that I did yesterday lofty affirmations lofty questions with Jay and April I think it went up last night okay really good advice for re-framing those affirmations it's absolutely brilliant it's been a game changer for me I know we've spoken about it off-camera advice but you know these little tweaks you know when you find them as you say share in the comments what works for you because you're going to have things that have worked for you that we haven't even come across or thought of yet so we'd love to know everyone would love to know and I also want to know you guys before we sign off and this might take some people being brave maybe we can even take some of your comments and do a future show Catherine but is there somebody watching right now are you afraid of yourself and will you be willing to put that in the comment section and then ask yourself why and maybe answer that question so we can if you want to I don't know if anybody will do that you don't have to but I want to hear people's own if you're realizing you're afraid of yourself and you ask yourself why am I afraid of myself and give an honest answer why I think that would help so many people and you could say something or write something in the comment section that somebody else is going to read that's going to give them a light bulb moment and if we all just help each other out and ask each other these hard questions I think we could break through whatever it is collectively we need to break through so another and I don't yeah you don't have to but if you're brave enough to you can use a different name if you want to I would love to see that because I know I've been afraid of myself in the in the in the past before and I'm probably coming up in the future as well there'll be other obstacles and having to ask myself why am I afraid of myself that's a hard question to ask yourself but it's necessary and it'll lead to some insight and so anything you guys are willing to share please share it because you know this is the point of these coffee chats right it's just completely completely thank you so much really enjoyed that today it's given me lots of food for thought lots of things to be working on me too and I apologize for having a full on poly it's like while we were really bad because we've got the and got wrencher storms today the rain carries on anymore I'm going to have to build an arc but all the let's gone all dark and everything so my like it's going all funny because it's like it's like it's like it's just about night falls back to hit it's really awful weather here so anyone we're away so we can wash this Paul so for anybody on the south these right now if you're having an allergy attack bless your heart because I I've got all my tissue right here but anyway you guys I will put all that all the links to Catherine's video she just did with Jay in the description box below next week we'll be over with Catherine give us your insights guys I cannot wait to go back and read what you guys have to say and also in the what you have to say because you're you have know that is one thing I have learned as a YouTuber that I have to remind myself I get emails all the time for people where they said you said this one thing and it's sparked something in me and I had no idea so you just and I'm sure you've got the same thing Catherine you have no idea which you write that comment section might change somebody else's life so share that information you guys so alright well I hope you guys have a wonderful day thanks for joining us on this coffee chat and we will be over with Catherine next week by everybody thanks everyone bye