 Brilliant. He's a partner, says he's got some point to his fellow riot from Texas. I ain't right, uh, awfully good. He's not a name. Oh no, he says he's the best lawyer though. Spirit was important. I don't, uh, I haven't had that close contact with him. I don't know. I haven't heard that, but I think he's barred because he's from Texas. That's temporary. Yeah, he's not really in Texas, and he's a Yale man. He's, uh, he's pretty highly regarded, but he's, uh, in terms of name, he wouldn't compare with, uh, say Archie Cough. Archie Cough's with Archie Clark. Well, Archie was, uh, the distinguished professor at Harvard. Oh, that's right. Oh, that's right. Archie was a huge, he's been thought of as kind of an academic cook by most lawyers. Right, and he was, uh, regarded up there as just a kind of a burry at, uh, a pompadour cut to clerk Kennedy's like Ted Scharke. That's the way he was regarded. He sat back down on the row and tried to explain to Kennedy what was on the bill. Later, he was there. I don't think he had any great reputation. Well, he was, I would say that in the academic field, he would have been looking upon as, uh, in the top three at Harvard. I think he had, uh, left here the hell of a reputation as a blister. I see, I hope, uh, I see that, uh, the blisters one nine lost five. I guess you go up and suggest those you can win, don't you? Well, you can, but, uh, third is not that kind. He's taken some losers. I've had him say at least twice that he just wouldn't give that case to anybody else in the office. I said, well, listen, uh, we have a lot more interested in you than anybody in that office. You've got, uh, you've got a tradition that your people and the president and all these other things to live up to. He said, well, I'll tell you, I just think that part of the office would be to argue that case. The court would just, uh, whip somebody else on this thing. There'd need to be gentleness and it'd be wrong. He's changed the balance of the court, though, on he just being the liberal spunky up there a hundred percent of the time. I think, uh, you know, it depends on whose place he's taken. I think there are probably three up there whose place he would take that would be more liberal than he. There's no doubt it's how you vote on civil rights cases, but on other cases, uh, reflects an older generation's attitude. But if he took Black or Harlan or Clark, uh, he would be, uh, less liberal than one and more liberal than two, wouldn't he? That's right. That's right. He would be, uh, on Black. He would be considerably less liberal on everything except civil rights. He would be more liberal on civil rights than Black's been for two years. Do you think he would be an attorney general than your daddy on the court? Well, I think, uh, I guess I think other people ought to judge that, really. I know as far as I'm personally concerned that that would not affect my judgment. I don't think it would affect dad's judgment. I'd hate to see dad get off the court. I think he's at the height of his judicial power. I'm a little concerned, too, because I think he, uh, more than any other member of the court stands for a lot of things that the American public is pretty strong for right now, tough law enforcement, things that, where I really don't agree with him. But, uh, I think Europe is a police community and some other fair to liberal, uh, would hurt you to beat down the, uh, Hollywood crime bill here in D.C. The people that were... But if, uh, my judgment is, if you were, if you became an attorney general, you'd have to leave the court. No other reason than the public and parents' boys' case. They were taxing drivers in the country, and, uh, he'd tell me that the old man, the judge, had barely had his own voice. The eyes of every member of the court. That's number one. When we got on the court, I mean, the best. So, it's something. I think he believes about what I believe. I think he or two, they have right. In the rest of Chicago. Probably right. Yeah, that's it. Well, we tried to track him. I was keeping busy working like a dog, but I got a liberal on that court, and they, uh, they longed off as much hell about a wiretap, and I saw each one of them when he hit on this other kid. That's another who's disgusting. That's saying he's not the best you can make me do that. I wouldn't have any part of it. I'm a free man. I'm not going to be a goddamn stew pigeon. A bunch of political racketeers. He just, uh, went up there and played hell, and then got humiliated, and then came back, and back to the field. Uh, I didn't like, I didn't think he, I didn't think he was a very strong character. But he, he was beyond there, and my judgment is, would you go by Bill Douglas, Chief the Chief, and Abe Fortress, just to help field him? Well, I would, uh, I would think that they would, uh... Thank you for sending a man to the penitentiary by God for raping a woman if you had it. If you had, if you had a photograph of it. He would tend to line up that side of the court. I don't think they'd doubt about that. I think, uh, he would be less liberal, and he would swing over some. That side doesn't, it's solid anyway. They fractured up somewhat. He would be, certainly, uh, far to the left, or conservative to the left today. What would you do on your damn fool antitrust cases where you all try to run the whole government? Because some professor doesn't agree with it. Well, he would, uh, he would tend to be, uh, liberal on those cases. He'd go along with, uh, with, uh, Douglas or Fortress. It's hard for me to say. I don't know if I really know. You know this difference, don't you? Sure. He, uh, he doesn't, uh, he doesn't do his homework, and, uh, he goes somewhat, uh, by sentiment, by guest, by golly. But I think that he would tend to be, uh, center of Douglas. He's, uh... That's something I feel more strongly about as much as wiretapping. I just think you ought to belt you a damned empire where you've got the veto power over the president of the United States. I think it's outrageous. I don't think you've got a goddamn bit of business telling the controller what to do or FCC what to do or anything else. You just set yourself up as a great policeman. And, uh, you just pass judgment and you assume that you're competent and everybody else is incompetent. And I think it, uh, you've got to assume when the president appoints a man to run the Federal Power Commission that he ought to, he ought to know more about that than some damn professor that happened to be an assistant attorney general. And the same thing's true with the control of the currency. The same thing's true with the chairman of the FCC. And the same thing's true with the chairman of the FCC. And I just think that they're beholden to a bunch of damn little column leakers over there that have neither principle or judgment or character or justice. I just think that they're just crusaders. And, um, I know that that's an extreme viewpoint and I'm expressing it extreme because I definitely feel that way. Now, if I'm going to mold, put my image on what I feel, I can't do it on what Grant failed or what Kennedy failed or Eisenhower got to do the way I feel. I may be all completely wrong and they may disagree with it. And they may all want to write a better history for myself than I'm willing to write. But I guess that the man's entitled to write his own history and ought to after he hears everything. And that's the way I feel about this thing. And I think I'm just the absolute captive of a guy I've never seen. Or maybe I saw him once. I think I saw him once. And it's all right for him to go out to gush his bushes and mess around here. But then he just fires by God's play without rhyme or reason. And I don't agree with it. I think he's got a lot more power than he ought to have and apparently more than the Attorney General's got and apparently more than the President's got because I express myself on the three of these things. It's just, it seems to be dicting. Well, it's not all that it should be. It's a fairly irrational process. But it's just one intersection in the whole system. It's not the whole system. They don't get into... The ones they get into, they've got tremendous power but they don't get into... It's a very many... Oh, just a pen. They didn't get into Ford and Philco. Bill Green went down and Bobby told him not to. And I told Ford to go get Bill Green and Philadelphia and let them merge. And they don't get into that. And they wouldn't get into it if Buckley was involved. He's a goddamn great crusader. But he's the Buckley General of the Bay, you know. He's full of chrome and he never has lived down going to Penegras. Penegras was an honorable man compared to Buckley. But you have your cake and eat it, too. And I happen to know about the bank merger in Houston. The hell of a lot bigger bank. And I know Albert Thomas did it. And I happen to know about the bank merger with, I mean, the Ford and Philco merger because I directed it and told them how to do it and what to do, and they did it. I just don't understand how they can be so conscientious and have some such great conviction on some of these matters that affect us. Like Bobby Baker, but not have a goddamn bit about Meyer Feldman that refused to report 40,000. He got over here on the record in Chex. And Nick didn't have a damn bit of trouble washing it out. He just cleaned it up and he smelled like a rose. You're familiar with that, aren't you? Well, I've heard about it. I don't know all the details. He wasn't a little clerk for Majority Leader. He was a counsel for the President of the United States like Jim Landy. And he came in here and he received in Chex $38,900 as payments for fees from television companies and didn't report it. And I had to get him out here and got him out here quick and Nick just took it and wrapped it up and just got it in good shape. And I'm glad he did. I didn't want to see Kennedy humiliated and I didn't want to see Feldman humiliated and I didn't want to be embarrassed myself. But that actually happened. And it wasn't anybody could defend it. I had our best tax people trying to figure out some way. All he did was just get the cheque, endorse the cheque, deposit it in his account. They charged it as an expense and he didn't report it.