 kaxa mwa kizali. Nama ka mote muna na saha, maa naka kuilladu kuon kwanjana watu muma kvao kama na maka kwa muna. A Christmas haf물u rumiau huwa muka, maa kwa kwa nugia kwa hifia paka indlika kutu maa nga Perhuliku maa muka proba. maa muka kvao kintriku k minde kwa muna. Toto kwa muka Ya, makiniwa gupist the last time you were here, I think yu were here down the line. 2020 ya. 2020 and it's good to see you in good state of health. Everything is alright. Just rekindling what you are speaking about in 2020. The Kenyan football. What's your take with regards to what is happening right now? My take is the same thing that I had in 2020 and I've had it for quite some time. kwa munaa ya kwa wadiu kandu mawa aki mawadiu kwenyansu kwa munao mwaa ohofort서 wadiu kwenyansu uhera wana wadiu kwenyansu waniu waga kwenyansu kwenya utuja kwa usmkua mwenu nmuja nnutinu waza wazia wazia mwenu kwenya Yo na uksuafia k investira kumru knoba m optical chairs na hwa kiyo kwa kiyoko Udaana n着uни maimiki kwa sayo ministrof kom farmsi ya kwa hwa hwa wajatya wajasitwa kufa kufa kiyo kika chiyo kwa kiyo kutila wajasitu na hw выход Hwa kutila kwa hwa hwadie kwa huni kafi kwa hwanda nga kitua hwadie kwa na hwipe kutile kufa kiyoko kwa kiyo Kura powa kwama na umiya kuwama. Asu ni waan fuelita na nila haami za!! Kufa nila tvutwa. Yumusia sana kwa waka kwenya na pula. Kwa waka kwenya. Mista, kwa waka kwenya. TMatikushana waka kwa waka kwenya. Hansu h clearing, cha na kwa kwenya waka kwenya kwenya. Nikiwa kwa hili yaa masukutukwa. Meshi ni kwa waka kwenya. Kameha ni waka kwenya. Ka mibri, pula kwenya, yubu shuka, shuga, I did this, this and this and the balances, 100 shillings, it should reflect in that. So if you have been given money, account for it. If you have booked a flight to South Africa, you have booked a flight to Comoros, it is just simple. Tell us, you booked KQ flight A13 from here to South Africa. I had 27 people on board. This is the amount of money that was paid. But if you give people ambiguous statements, people will not buy it. It's that simple. You played football before and maybe times at which you featured for the science you featured for KCB and TASCA is not like the current times but whatever is saying that you know accountability and you know trying to state what really happened and like giving generalized statements is in that the case from where you stand. Yeah and just adding on what is just said accountability transparency and integrity. Yes you need to have transparency in each and everything that you're doing so that people can see that the funds that you're getting that they're being used correctly. But the problem now you find is if right now I would go back to our national team. We've had about five coaches right? Five coaches in a very short period of time and if you look at for example someone like Adele Amrush why do we have to owe someone like that a lot of money during the time that he was here as the manager of the national team. So it just shows you that accountability is not there in our Kenyan football. Transparency is not there. Integrity is not there. So even the person who's been questioned who's the head of FKF every time he cannot give you something that is you can see with your own eyes transparency that this is what the money that he's been getting and the fruits of that money. What I mean by that is if you are being given that kind of money and we have youth teams and they are performing and you can see even if you are going to a tournament and we get beat five nil four nil but we can see there is progress you'd at least say he's doing his job. But right now if you look at the national team can you count how many players that have been selected each and every time that the national team is being called. There's no consistency. Even when we look at our coaches you look at I think Adele Amrush was in 2012 whether Adele Amrush 2012 2013 there 2014 then we brought in Bobby Williamson and you realize that every time the federation changes its head they also change the manager forgetting the law. Realize that Adele Amrush contract came to an end because the fuma regime had hired him the new regime comes in then they terminate the contract it goes ahead to the court of arbitration for sports he gets to be paid a lot of money because it's you who broke the contract and all that but then when you look at all these scenarios look at the when the report came out you look at the that report and the finances and everything this federation has 14 bank accounts for what purpose why should that have you confirmed it yeah it's the report it's from the report itself you can count the reports written in the report that have made this years to bring in the committee and this band a full book and a federation why should you have 14 bank accounts for what purpose you realize and this money like if you are going to be truthful to us and tell us everything that is happening we need to see how much money you send to these clubs how much money you spend in the national team how much money you use in our administrative costs see where people hide also how they are stealing this money you have i think 53 employees at the food book and a federation 53 employees in this 53 employees how they paid see that so if money comes in and you tell us money goes for administration costs we need to know to the last cent of all these administration costs are being covered and if you don't give us that people will come on your neck and say you're actually saving money after the international break kenyan football was supposed to continue fkf premier league national super leagues across the country a lot of fixtures were supposed to be played but after that pronouncement by fkf katega committee that football is on break for two weeks before it resumes where does this live a player a football who relies on football to earn his daily bread as someone who played football do you empathize with them very infact actually i'm quite connected with some players in the national team and if you hear the way they are speaking right now they are afraid on what's going to happen because now they are thinking if football in kenya let's say we are banned by FIFA people are trying to look where they're going to get their livelihood from so that's something that is really alarming for players who don't even know how tomorrow yes it's looking for them because we're in a very very deep state of where everything is up in the air i think this is where also the kenya footballers welfare association comes in because if they are an organization good enough as they claim to be and dealing with the players welfare and everything this is a scenario where they could be in to talk about the plight of the players to talk about what players are going through and if all the problems that our players are having at the moment and also which they have had and they will continue to be having this is the time when we could have their leaders coming out and saying in this two weeks span this player plays for mother united will not get his allowance see that his contract does not allow him to be off football for two weeks so how is this player going to be taken care of now without them coming on board and talking about that everybody will forget about them because everybody when this was brought now we are talking about it here and also the court of public opinion is also running with it and in the court of public opinion no we need the FIFA band to get our football together but for the player everybody is forgetting about him just on what he's talking about the the is it the kenya welfare association kenya for the boy last welfare association exactly yes exactly yeah let's just be realistic yes let's not bite around the bush here there's no integrity in that association as well yes so you find you guys have decided to call us paid us paid not a big spoon yeah let's just call the realities that's the reality reality yeah we had an example of how many examples of players have we had maybe someone has got a very bad injury they cannot go back to football kenya welfare association they're not involved with them so what do they normally do and this is what thing that I was saying to you all about kenyan football we have cartels in all kinds of angles and everyone who gets a position or into gets a position to run something all they are doing is thinking about themselves and they forget why they are there in the first place if it's not for the kenyan footballers the welfare association wouldn't be there if it's not for footballers fkf wouldn't be there you see it cuts across the it cuts across everywhere yes you see it cuts across everywhere and if you try and look I was quite stunned and this thing just made me feel really bad about the state of kenyan football yeah I've never seen an fkf president or a president of any football federation trying to tell the manager what kind of players they should be in the national team yes I will give you a good example when Ghost was still the manager he called two karyobangi shaks goalkeepers Buiru and the other one I've forgotten his name but this is you're calling Buiru who's the who was the number one for karyobangi shaks and now you're calling the reserve keeper of karyobangi shaks who doesn't even play the national team is supposed to have players who play weekend week out and performing for their clubs to be able to represent the country yes so this is one thing that that's what I keep on emphasizing integrity and transparency there's nothing like that in the kenyan football have you seen what you know the football stakeholders locally have said with regards to a possible ban former tactician for national team rambistas jacob ghost mule I think you might be aware of each other you know each other considering you coached Taska back then and also said because he caught you know he's in charge of kcb they say that you know a ban possible ban from FIFA is not good for kenyan football considering how it would affect the local best you know footballers I don't know do you read from the same script what do you think about their sentiments just repeat that again sorry the local football stakeholders led by coach Jacob ghost mule and you know Zedeka Ziko Tiano are faulting some extent they are faulting the government over what is doing they are crackdown and onslaught on fkf saying that it amounts to a possible ban from FIFA no I don't even agree with that even one bit because at the end of the day jacob I respect jacob ghost mule he was my coach when I was at Taska I respect Ziko I've known him for a long time but let's let's just be realistic with ourselves and this is one thing that I want to say if you see a government trying to come and interfere with fkf or any organization that means there's a problem yeah they are not just coming to interfere for the sake of interfering that means there's a problem and for me I look at people who are involved with football in Kenya there's one thing that people are always afraid of doing and that is calling out or saying the truth that's on the table simply because they want to protect their name for who they are that is not how it's supposed to be because remember this and I keep on saying this is about the players it's about the players at the end of the day this is a job for them these are people who are fathers you know they have families to take care of we need to protect them to make sure that they get what they deserve for example I will use an example in the UK any player who is called to the national team in the UK and they represent the country they get 2000 pounds per game that is almost 300,000 Kenyan shillings per game here in Kenya a player is getting 750 Kenyan shillings and we are in 2021 in terms of allowance just look at that comparison and then you want to tell me that the people who are speaking about the government trying to interfere with fkf they are doing the wrong that the government is doing the wrong thing no they are not doing the wrong thing they've seen there's a loophole in Kenya in football and they need to interfere so that we can be the players are getting what they deserve how much money does Kenya get from FIFA after every four years approximately around 200 million Kenyan shillings right 50 million let's say 550 million right that's after every four years and how much does fkf get money from the government approximately about 50 million right where is that money going to and we don't have any youth programs that we can be able to feed because for me my own understanding the way I live in the UK is any youth team setup is supposed to support the national team and that's why you see an example like England the oldest player is 31 years old and that's Jordan Henderson yeah right the rest are below 30 years of age right and all of them have played in the youth system up to where they got to the national team Kenya we don't have anything like that try and mention for me anything about the youth systems in Kenya then you want to tell me that if the government comes tries to interfere with that we are trying to say they are doing the wrong thing the government is absolutely right what they are doing they have to question the integrity of the fkf chairman on why Kenyan football and where all this money is going to again also they need to be double standards people need to stop playing double standards when it comes to football in Kenya because when you want to go for an Africa cup of nations march in comoros you want money from the government when you want to prepare for the Africa cup of nations and all that you want facilitation from the government when the government comes to audit you and ask for accountability for that money then you say according to the FIFA statutes the government we are an independent body you realize that even if you read what the FIFA letters are saying from the secretary general all the way they're just vaguely worded they are not talking about and you come to realize that legislation of the game is key sport policy and law is key and we need that because if we don't get tough laws we don't get these laws that are going to help us manage the game we are going to suffer a lot look at the sports act 2013 that was brought by the constitution 2010 sports federations and organizations were told you need to comply to the sports act most of these federations did not want to comply to that say that when you are told go there and comply to those regulations they do not comply to that the calf licensing and regulations came on board and these are laws and regulations that can help us build the game when all these federations were put into that report card they could not answer and get into that way of laws and everything they could not get their way into it and they don't want it's just also simple they just don't want to follow the law and when the law comes to you it just to bite you if you are not following it and at the end of the day in all these things that we are talking about and the remedial into how we can help our football which is in problems these federations need to follow the law simple as that the framework is there the legislation is there it is just sitting down and following it and i won't be surprised that after the end of the six months one of the things that football Kenya federation will be it is that they have subscribed to the sports act of 2013 there has also been public doubt cry outside there over you know the inclusion of members who form the category committee with some people you know criticizing the move of inclusion of some people are not you know uh football us or they don't have football backgrounds but i have seen also rejoinda and countering on the same with other people saying that the chairman of english premier league for example in europe where you you've you've prominently stayed is not a football person though he might have pursued something related to football development but not necessarily that he played football i don't know must you have played football to be a good manager of football no you don't you don't have to have played football for you to be able to run a federation or be in charge of the football governing body you don't have to remember this these people are people who've gone to school they've gone to university they've got their degree they've got their masters for them to be there where they are so you don't have to be you don't have to have ever played football for you to understand the game or you don't have to have ever played football for you to be able to run the game and that's where the difference comes in i don't know why people keep on saying that you have to be involved in football for you to understand football there are people who are very very good at they can sit down look at a match and they analyze better than someone who's played the game yes and that's one thing that is a reality we can't we can't run away from that if you look at this top football English clubs in the UK and if you look at the chief executives they're not people who've played the game they're people who've gone to school and and studied their management their management they're there for policies absolutely everything and if you look the level of integrity that these people have that's why football in Europe is run so well because you cannot hide behind the seat or you can't be sitting somewhere as the chief executive and you get people around you who are just yes men the question is you look at a club like Manchester United it's named at the UK stock exchange you see that so ask yourself real fed and do played for Manchester United running an organization that is named at the stock exchange can that work so you want to bring a player who played for FC love parts of gold just because he was in the 100 meter square of the field of play so he has the mind to run football in this cannot work and just adding on to what he's saying now let's talk because me i just like talking the way it is activity is absolutely majority of Kenyan footballers including myself we were not good in school right yes many footballers who've played the game and some who are still playing the game there are some who didn't even go to school not something that you can blame them but because of the backgrounds of where they come from yes right majority of the people who've played the game too there are some who are learned but they don't have that football management or brain to run an organization yes so those are the things that we need to try and see that you can come and say that so and so because he's never played football before or she's never played football before she cannot do this you know that's that's totally wrong and i feel everyone should be given an opportunity if they are able to perform in the for the respect that is the respective duties that they are given yes and that is how we can only improve as a country but by not pointing fingers but taking responsibility you know of what we are supposed to do i think we should also avoid judging to evaluate for six months to elaps before we judge the delivery and performance of the teams i think the problem we have also as a country is we have been put in a situation where that everything that comes out you must choose a side yeah we have been put in a situation it's like the american presidents everybody cares about what will the democrats do what will the republic yeah it's like that in this country we have put in a situation where maxwell is running for presidents you are either for him or not for him there's no one who will say okay this guy wants to run for the president let's look at him holistically and say what he can he can do now the committee has already been named they have not even sat for one session there's a budget already doing rounds in the media that it has already been normalized they have been given a budget and it's working and then you wonder these guys have not even sat down for one meeting even one sitting so who is this giving them already giving them a budget you see that and already people are saying cs is wrong the cs cannot be accountable and all that but at the end of the day the cs she's just doing her job people have said hey that federation which you are ahead of because at the end of the day she's the head of sports and in the country people will say yes you are the head of sports you can see rugby they are doing their dubai sevens at all that magiko kenya open is coming and all that but how come you are not going to the africa cup of nations how come our clubs are not performing at the calf champions league how come when we go to the confederation's cup is just the first round every day how come gold maya andev silopas is begging for money you see that so she says and says okay there has to be a problem here where is the problem obviously she cannot storm into the federation and say you guys have a problem which she at the end of the day may not be privy to she will say sports registrar i need these guys and these guys to go to that federation and see what is happening there the report will come to her desk she will look at the report she will console and then make a decision you see that so this committee is already here and already people are left people are right no one is going to say let them let us give these guys a chance and see after six months what is going to happen because at the end of the day the six months will come and go and the same same people will be like you are given six months what did you do other people are saying that ban or no ban need for reforms in football you don't agree with that slogan you know one thing that that has baffled me for so many years i stopped playing i left kenya in 2006 december 2006 when i was when i my last time was tasker football club yes and i've been following kenyan football ever since up to date and we've we've always kept on mentioning about how things should be done in kenya how um people this person shouldn't work here this person shouldn't do this but at the end of the day in my own opinion since 2006 i've not seen any improvement in kenyan football yes we've never been below and this since i left kenya we've never been below a hundred in the FIFA rankings we've never been below that's over 10 years and that is really alarming and if you sit down if you love football and this is what i keep on telling my friends who we are involved in football people who have this online interviews with people if you really love football call say the way it is don't be don't hide behind somewhere because you don't want to say something which is true just because of so and so will hate me or so and so wouldn't talk to me and that is what is killing our kenyan football let me just be honest because people don't want to be responsible of whatever they are doing yeah for example today Maxwell if you you're my friend and you're running fkf if i see you doing something wrong you need to tell me i need to tell you and i'm not telling you because i hate you i'm telling you so that we can improve as a country we can improve as individuals because each and everything that we do in life if you're doing something wrong and someone comes and tells you you're doing something wrong that person doesn't hate you actually that is love and that person is actually trying to tell you that this is how things are supposed to be done fkf president nick muendoa has he ever played football he hasn't played football but now you find people who've played the game who've been coaches they are saying that you need to have played football in order for you to run football that's just one example and there are so many but does that mean that nick muendoa cannot run football no you don't have to play the game for you to be able to run something maybe he's gone to school to learn about sports development and that's why he's in that position and he's also got the passion for football because he's closely associated with karubang shaks which he started exactly so let's stop putting trying to blame the government for what they are trying to do now the government is actually doing what they are doing for the best interest of these players if we are banned from football today where will these players go what will these players do it will go back to my era where you'll find players now they are playing football and at the same time they are getting into gangs they're getting into into robberies and i think also we need not to put the problem of football in kenya only to the football kenya federation and also the government the problem also come even from us the media people we let know and tell you that we have worked in the help of football i can categorically say to a larger extent that as a media also we have failed in how to help kenyan football grow we are also a problem when it comes to kenyan football because we have got scribes here who are for the presidency who are a brown envelope of people and everything and that does not help football at all you look at a situation where that one might be an example but also a situation where our coverage of the game how we cover our sports in the country is not that good enough you look at our bulletins at nine p.m. news we don't give local sports that much mileage unless there's something big that is happening around the local sports industry we don't even let on our counterparts from britain yeah we don't do that he's called the athlete he finished seventh and probably kenyan one as one the race they will start with theirs before they they come to meanwhile for us we don't do that we don't give our sports that much needed coverage yes there's this thing in media which they say there's what people need and there's what people want you realize that our audience wants to watch our football they also want to listen to our football and know but for us we don't give it to them we don't take that strategy that we need to broadcast this game to the masses so that the masses cannot and from our perspective we'll be telling people that at the end of the day what the audience wants is what we give them and the audience wants English football the audience wants champions league football but at the end of the day we need also to push that narrative that as long as the English Premier League is there we also have our own which people should watch and everything let me let me just come to that a bit I'll be honest with you I can't blame the media at all and I'll tell you why if you if you've already seen that we are not getting any benefits from advertising the kenyan game that is because of the way it is in shambles you cannot waste your resources for doing that the English Premier League they know it has a lot of money that is cutting across everywhere right yes they are performing the English Premier League is one of the best leagues in the world how are you going it generates a lot of money yes how are you going down to management and administration absolutely so you can't even blame the kenyan media at all tell me if you go for a kenyan game or any Premier League match apart from Gormaya and FC Laopards go to the stadium and just look at the numbers yes you'll find there are less than 50 people in the stands so there's no way you can blame the media I believe that if we had if kenyan football was being run well and if you run something well it will attract funds yes if the league is performing it will attract funds you see but if it's not performing and we are going backwards and backwards and backwards no one would want to do anything with that I was watching sorry Maxwell I was watching um is it the athletes they the under is it was it 120 champions yes the one that was at kassaran the one which was at kassarani yes did you see the spectators who are there yeah that was the 2017 one yes when kassaran was filled to the rafters absolutely yeah that is athletics we are talking about yeah and which is the best sport in kenya that performs well athletics athletics that is why it's able to even attract the outside media to speak about how good we are in athletics so reality has to be told and this is why I kept on saying about integrity yeah we need to be able to run our game in the correct way for us to attract people to come back to the stadiums media to be able to cover our game professionally you know so that we can also have interest of other people realizing oh wait a minute kenya is not only recognized for athletics but also football and other sports and most kenyan football followers are looking forward to a scenario where you know they will witness again what happened a few years ago karyobangi shaks was playing against Everton and I think more international sports center kassaran was full yeah it's because it's attributed to the packaging of the game publicity how you market the all scenario go press up or two absolute and then you look at the caliber of the team that was coming to play yes karyobangi shaks let's let's know run away from this yes it's playing against everton it's everton if someone hears there's an english premier club coming to kenya to play a local team that would attract it will attract a lot of fans yes even if you call a team like wadford or norwich a team the first was i'll sit here actually yes teams which are under teams which are fighting relegation the stadium will be packed because people would want to see this is an english premier league but if you do that let's say for example you call simba of tanzania oyanga the stadium modern before at some point nikola sumusone former secretary general of seca for complaint kenya is playing again in sudana at nya national stadium yet people are at Nairobi west catching a english premier league fixture between asenor and west brome which help you but i think as we said it boils down to you know value for your money it has to be symbiotic i'm paying 200 bob to watch a game between fc and mother united what am i gaining in return it's not even about value for your money it's about how you're seeing things are happening around the country yes let's not lie to each other everyone who's involved in football beta coach beta footballer they know the reality of the kenyan game even the fans they know the reality of the kenyan game they know that all we are doing in kenya is not nothing is being run well so it's not going to attract anything if you sit na if you go to another country and speak about kenya has a good football team they will ask you which one which one or name me one gormaya when they were playing everton in liverpool i was there yes so many kenyan fans came to the stadium and one thing that shocked me was even some kenyans from kenya traveled traveled all the way to the uk to come and watch that match to see why in runy taking on gormaya it wasn't even about when running it was about just gormaya playing everton in liverpool but now i was asking myself question if people can book flights from kenya to come all the way to liverpool to come and watch gormaya and everton and yet here in kenya you can pay i don't know how much it is from town to go to kasarani otunyao stadium to go and watch a match it's so difficult but there are people who are very lateral and i'm willing to do so and that is because and this is why i'm saying let's call a spade a spade our kenyan football is in shambles and it has been in shambles for so many years i was absolutely shocked that we can let someone like victor wanyama retire from the game and yet he's one of the best players in mls it's supposed to be the duty of fkf to try and convince victor that we still need you in the team because we need experience in the team we don't have that can the government convince him to absolutely come back absolutely if we are doing things the correct way we can convince victor to come back victor is still young he is is one of the best midfielders that kenya has ever produced and is still playing at the highest level why should we let someone like him retire and yet we've got young players who are coming who are now being brought to the national team they're supposed to be looking up to him he's supposed to be there yes to show or to give that experience to people and we are letting someone like that leave the game and retire it shouldn't be like that and he's retired because of his own personal reasons but but if you try and dig deep or if you try and look at everything in a wider view maybe he just got fed up yes true you know but i believe he's someone who can still contribute a lot in the kenyan game people like we should also try and include the former players mariga deni soliha jamal mohamed these are players who've been very very good for the national team these are people that we should try and convince them to come back you know and try and help the kenyan game but they cannot come back and if because they are seeing the way our football is being run when rambestars lost five nila against malia away in an african nation school if i have someone tweeted saying at least viktor anyama is indicated he was not part of the game he would have been blamed for you know being responsible for the loss no but if it's true it's true because i it's been there for so many years that if a professional base player comes to the national team and the national team loses the people will start it is his mistake it is his mistake and yet this this person is also a human being who loves and has the passion to represent the country but we are bashing them we are supposed to be supporting them and if you look at this professional best players they've gone through a lot with the national team majority of them have been paying their own tickets to come and play for the national team some of them even go into their own pockets to give money to the local best players it shouldn't be like that max well yeah we that is why fkf is there to be able to make sure that they perform and they cover their responsibilities the way it's supposed to be but in terms of logistics we have to give it to nick muhenra he's tried because there are no cases like it was during samnyamwe era where players are traveling on their own in terms of footing their flights expenses and even allowances but those are basics those are just basics in that you just do you have any evidence about that i don't know exactly let's not just say something like that you don't have any evidence you know because if you if you try and speak to the international best players you play who've played outside and whatever regime they have their own stories to tell it's only that they are not coming out in the open to say because of you know the frustrations they might encounter along the way absolutely the bad blood that comes out of there you just leave it at that so things are bad silently yeah that's the whole point that's how it happens if you talk to this form of footballers you'll find they like you said they paid their own air ticket to come and play and they have not been refunded they paid for their hotels and everything and even up to reason even victim ugubi it came out like that but i think for logistics uniforms and everything those are just basics for the federation you just need to provide them there is no other way there is no other way you can go around it you just have to do it so in your own assessment what do you think is the way forward the normalization committee or contents us or these two entities sitting together and agreeing on i don't think there's there's anything coming out of i think people coming to sit down and everything i think the cabinet sector has already laid the ground for it the the committees will start its job they have been given six managing they gave their first directive saying the football will be up for two weeks then after that we'll see them coming onto the office and they will start running football for the next six weeks i think as everybody says that the the job is well cut out for them i think for the committee that is coming up first they will be laying the ground for election which is a who is the next person who is going to lead football and i think the best that this committee is going to give us is someone with the knowledge and the know how who can run football in the best way possible for the best interest of kenya and the people who are there for football and the stakeholders and everything because now one of the people that the football has lost now is the corporate the corporate sector completely as the football kenya federation has lost their vote of confidence to the corporate sector and this the guy will come in will have to bring that confidence back and they need to give them back another one will be legislation the way i said it earlier after the six months the next people are coming in to run football they need to follow the law the policies have been put there the framework is there the legislation is there and they need to follow it to the let and that will help us in running our football into the next one and also the way we have seen that the football kenya federation hierarchy is being put into court they are being prosecuted for their problems and everything going forward as long as you know that you are going to run for sports position in this country know that if you make a mistake if in your tenure the kenyans are going to experience bad governance they are not going to experience accountability transparent and integrity they are going to get corruption from your office and everything just know that you'll be prosecuted and you will go to jail simple as that devan kenyan scenario around whether it is being emulated by other countries seeing what is happening i think egypt gana did it nigeria is also following suit in terms of putting up a category committee is it the general scenario in african continent african continent you know one thing i think people are realizing is how much football is loved yes in the world you know football is a game that so many people love and i think now other countries that they've done it like the countries we've just mentioned now kenya they they're just realizing that if you look at for example the english premier league or so many teams in europe yes they have so many good african players right now if you look at the premier league who's the best player in the premier league right now we are talking of mo salla inside your money yeah these are african players so try and imagine if we are able to run football in africa the correct way how many good players we can have playing playing in overseas leagues and coming to the national team seeing the success on our africa we can be a powerhouse when we go to tournaments world cup you know now people are realizing that football is a sport that is really loved and i think me the only thing that i can pray for is is whoever is a whoever is going to become the next fkf president or anyone who's involved to do with anything with football let's just try and have that integrity transparency and remember to do the work before they look at the money because let's not lie to each other there's a lot of money in football a lot of money and that is why you're seeing these things happening you know people are being told to be accountable of where did this money go to if we stop looking at the money and concentrate on the work i believe kenya we can go so far and have a very good national team have very good players coming out playing in the in the um the local premier league players going overseas you know and that's the only thing it's just about the money and it's about that people are not ready to call out someone if someone is doing something wrong and that is why now you see the government has come in because they've realized there's something wrong that is happening in our federation if everything was being run correctly and people are accountable for everything that they are doing and this transparency this integrity the government would be involved even a single minute as a former footballer do you think your counterparts have also done their best in terms of calling out the government calling out the federation in terms of amaze i don't think so and this is one thing that i was saying to you me i've i've known a few players who are very vocal and speak up their minds that is jamal mohammed bonefesambani and those are the only i think that's countable and let's say brahmuel you know those are the only people that have heard they can speak openly harold endege actually the former tasker defender you know the only a few players who can call out and say this is wrong and simply because because players know each other players know the people who are running the game in the country and because you don't want to be in the bad books of someone just because you call them out people are afraid of doing that and that is where we are going wrong by calling out someone it's not because you hate them it's because you're seeing that there's something wrong being done and you'd like to educate someone or person knowledge to that person and that is what is happening if you look for example in the english premier league let's say the glazer family who are who are the owners of manchester united if you look at if manchester united play badly or they've had um a run of games which are bad what do people do even protest exactly they are running our club exactly they are calling out the owners and they are they calling out the owners because they hate the owners no it's because they realize that there's something wrong that is happening in their club where fans are spending a lot of money fans have got to say absolutely they have monthly subscription with which they remit absolutely do you want to tell me something like that cannot be able to be done in our country here in kenya it can it can't it's possible it's possible and those are the things that if you try and look at how football clubs are being run outside the country how national teams are being run outside the country and you try and look in your own country how football is run it's alarming it's alarming it's very alarming it's just like the example example i've given you max well yes from 2018 each england player gets 2 000 pounds to represent their country but that money goes to charity that is because if you look at these players they're being paid millions of shillings in their respective clubs and that for them it's an honor to wear the national team yes and if you look here in kenya the other day i was listening to mariga saying that during their time they used to get 2500 being in kump but now players are getting 750 kenyan shillings so i'm trying to ask myself are we going backwards or we are going forwards we're getting retrogressive absolutely like what happened sabia played pojo gold and i think they won sabian president had the promise that in the event they beat pojo gold they will be given you know uh good amounts of money per player of which it was done and i think the federation decided that money should go to the hospitals and you know pay for drugs yeah i said that we sat down and said we will get this money we are going to give it to the children we are playing for the sabian children themselves in the event that that situation was happening in kenya i know that wouldn't have happened yeah that's what i was saying even me when i had mariga speaking about it i was actually happy mariga is speaking for the players you will not find a player who's in the national team coming out to say this is how much money we are getting but mariga came and said these players are getting 750 kenyan shillings which is not fair if during our time we were getting 2500 and now they're getting 750 kenyan shillings which player do you think in the national team would have said something like that no one because they are scared because if you come out and speak of something like that you will not call be called up the next for the next for the next game or the next national team camp yes well it's been a fantastic conversation this particular afternoon david early played for task and kcb and of course he's joining us this particular afternoon to talk about status of kenyan football with regards to the stalemate and you know tassel happening between football kenya federation and ministry of sports we've seen the court proceedings i think ruling is said for 25th with prosecutions having been given time to you know table for medable charge against the federation failure to which i think the case would be dropped so we paying close attention and development to the situation and see how it pans out def thank you for coming ruby if i let you go bro your parting shot your final submissions on the show um yes for me my it's just everything that i've been preaching and saying every day i just wish that our football game could be run better and i just pray for the people who are going to become the next fkf president or any football committee or anything to do with football let's just think about the players first before we think about our pockets and let's stop being greedy play interest should be our priority absolutely play interest should be our priority let us run the game with a lot of integrity transparency and we will see good things coming out from kenyan football if we don't have those two on the table i'm sorry nothing will ever be good for kenyan football thank you for coming through and hope to continue hearing from you in terms of your voice and concerns which you've been expressing with regards to the manner in which football is being administered lokali thank you for coming through thank you for having me touchline is the show of course we taking 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