 Select Board meetings on Monday, July 23rd, 2018 and this meeting has been posted publicly in three places and on the website and emailed to interested parties. That's probably why so many people are here, right? And so we can legally have this meeting. Does anyone at this time have any additions to the agenda they would like to add? Going once, going twice. We're going to go with what's on the agenda. And we're going to have an executive session after the meeting to talk about legal issues and healthcare issues. And we will start with the minutes from the last meeting of July 9th, which I found typed up. I read one as well. Well, I've moved to accept those. Second. All in favor. Aye. We've got those minutes and we also have some minutes from the public hearing which we had at the, which was regarding the final, this was the park bus. Yeah. And that looked good to me. I've moved to accept those. All in favor. Aye. Aye. We've got some minutes and I said, Yola is going to be here. Maybe you could do some other business and give her some time to get here because she's the official worker. She's not here. And then Mike, you're here to speak with Yola. I mean, you're here with her. Yeah. If there are any questions, you know, contribute as needed. All right. Hold on to that. And then we're going to go right on to John. Okay. I'm trying to speak up. A couple of things. Wanted to let you know that they, I would like to have a few possible dates and times for a special select board meeting to review the current stage of the stormwater master plan, which has been moving on quite nicely over the past few weeks. And it's the reason why I wouldn't bring it to the regular meeting is just because it's a rather complicated drawn out process to review 19 possible projects. So I just wanted you to have the time to really focus just on that. So there's 19 possible projects. Some of those can be, might be able to be bundled if they're all the same drainage area or sort of encompass the same kind of runoff issue. So we can get that number down. They've been preliminarily prioritized by the consultants just based on their own thoughts about what they think are the most important things for the town to try and tackle. But one of the things that will be asked when you're going to do a meeting with us and myself would be for you to take a look at all those possible projects. That's one of the questions you have, of course. And then give us some ideas on whether you agree with those prioritizations or whether you have other ideas about this. Because ultimately, you know, if you can have a decision, how do you work? The first three that get prioritized will get what's called 30% design. And that consists of some preliminary site testing like soils and stuff to make sure that I think the proposing could actually work on that site. And cost estimates for construction and preliminary design. So it's kind of like the first step of the design of things. And those are based again on what you've prioritized and what you want to, you know, subject to funding in the next couple of years. And part of what their final report will be will include possible funding sources based on what those priorities are. Some of the projects are pretty simple and aren't going to be cluttered much in the way of design. Some of them are, you know, sort of medium and some are quite complex. But there aren't too many of those actually. And the two sites which are both have stormwater and pollution. So that's that. So if you maybe can, you want to email me over the next couple of days. So I want to hear from Tom as well. You want to get this pretty soon? Well, yeah, because they have a deadline for submitting their final report. Which of course, I imagine they're flexible. That's needed, you know, vacations and summer time and that kind of stuff. Is there someone else involved in this meeting? Mary Ross from the White River Partnership. They're the ones who actually, the White River Partnership is the ones who actually got the grant for us from the state. We made a request to Mary, you know, would you like to get involved in the stormwater master plan? So she's been very instrumental and very involved in the project. She's actually the client for the solid structure. So it's the White River Partnership. So shall I email you when I'm back in on Wednesday and ask for dates and the preferred time of day? And then maybe Tom will be back by then. He's supposed to be back tomorrow. Okay. So I'll be back in on Wednesday. So I'll be able to do that. That works for you. Okay. If we're going to warm a special meeting three days, that would push it into next week? No, I'm assuming between, you know, his just getting back and we're going to be away next week. That's probably going to help keep it calm. I'm sorry. And that's timely enough? Well, it'll have to work. So if we could get with Tom and do a meeting Friday and warm up tomorrow, that could work. I can. I can. Because it is. Yeah. It's so easy to keep picking these things down the road. Yeah, I don't want to. I've got to not. So I can do that. So you can do a little pre-meeting in front of that. Well, that's not just six o'clock. You're not usually here that late. I can work my schedule. Okay, we're targeting for July 30th. July 30th, what day are we? Monday. Okay. I have to make sure Mary. Right. Monday, July 30th. We'll give you something to work on. Okay. And time? What time? Our other meeting is six o'clock, right? Six o'clock. So it's five. How much time do you anticipate in an hour and a half? Well, an hour and a half would be good. Okay. More than that would be overload. But enough time for you to go get into the details. Certainly you can be here at 4.30. 4.30? Great. Okay. I will get that sheet of confirmation on that. It's 10 o'clock. Yeah. Okay. And then just two things to mention. I think I've mentioned this before. But the next grant and aid project will be coming up fairly soon. The next thing that has to happen there is Rita Stato from Two Rivers. We'll come up and look at possible sites. So that's something Roku and you guys should have some discussion about one or two or three possibilities. And it's going to be about the same size grant as last time. They're estimating $14,000. A lot of it depends on how many towns actually sign up for it. But it's somewhere in the $12,000 to $14,000 range. So it's a similar project maybe to what's being done to help. Do you accept that? No. Rita will be in touch with us, but I think it's going to happen soon. So we're going to have some ideas in hand. Okay. And then last is, this is a conversation I've been having with members of Roku just the last week is, you know, given the amount of work that, you know, the town expects for doing going forward like all of their towns with a municipal road general permit. You might want to start thinking about town equipment that we don't have now, but would be, and could be used a great deal going forward with new projects and might be a way to kind of save money rather than either having a contract or lease equipment. So what's come up so far and Rita, maybe you want to add a few thoughts and oh, there you are. I didn't see it. That excavator was one thing that was discussed. Short-term, of course, can be rented, but really long-term it's a worthwhile investment. Hydro-seeders and other things because with any ditching now that's done, hydrologically connected those matter. Hydro-seed or mulch within these three days of creating a ditch or less if you're expecting a lot of rain. You know, it's, you know, done hard to do that all the time, you obviously have to try to do it. And then I don't know if there are other things you might want to put in the less, but it's, you know, good, well-in-advanced budget season coming up. And I think that, you know, it's important to jump back to your arms. Thank you. Yeah. I'm sorry. If you have the right word, whatever. So I have my dinner first. Speak up. Okay. He has his hands. Okay. I will. So we are here to talk about the generous donation by Mike of 25 panels, solar panels, that are being donated to the library. And the panel system, the 25 panel system would generate roughly about $6 a month in credit and $60. Yeah. And we got a couple of estimates. Three, two. The one that I have in front of me is the cheaper one is by Rob Stabin, solar. Stabin? Stabin. S-T-U-V-B-I-N-G. I just quickly say that this is okay. So our average electrical expenses are about $120 a month, which translates into 1,447 a year, roughly. Average electrical usage is about 495 kilowatts a month. Anticipated electrical expenses in 20 years would be 2,020 a year. And then with the use of the solar panels, the annual savings would be about, would be $586. And with the payback, anticipated payback period of 13 years. So that system with installing, also any extra energy that we'd save, and we would, could be transferred to any location. Like let's say, you know, the town hall. So for this, for 25 panels to be installed, so the panels come free. Right. Yeah. The installation cost would be $11,217.12. But there's a $30, as we all know, there's a $30 federal tax credit offered to everybody who installs solar panels. And so that would net cost. Does it apply to the town since we're not, I don't know. I went on the website actually, and I know they ask for my name and address. So I tried the zip code, but then I was directed to my name and address when at that point I didn't, I stopped. So I'm not sure. I didn't have time to explore this, but I would think so. I would think that. Well, since the town doesn't pay a fee from taxes, I would know the tax credit. Mike, I was, I was, I wasn't sure about that part. Good question to ask. You have a question? I'm going to answer. Well, if in our quest to raise the money to put solar panels on the library, if we do a fundraiser for that, donors to the project could utilize that tax credit. But the library or the town, neither one since we don't pay taxes, could utilize a tax credit. So this is, so the net cost after the tax credit would have been $7,851.99. And the modules are in a good shape. You know, they are about 10 years old than us. So, but they still have about 82%. They are power, usage power. And then they would get, they could go, they, they would be, it's still good for about 20 years. They don't break, they made to last. Well, I'm curious, so Mike, in regards to the age of the panels, why are you upgrading them? Yeah, I'm changing out my system to have some increased production because I'm going to get myself an electric car and I'm looking to try to, you know, power my vehicle from the sun. The other thing I'll mention is it's not just the panels, it's also the inverter that converts the DC to AC and that the inverter is actually new. How many watts charging? Sorry? How many watts do you have to go? How many watts charging? I'd say it's a 2.5 kilowatts system. 200,000, right? 200,000, yeah. It says estimated production would be 4.26 megawatt hours, annually. Okay, so it's 3.1 kilowatts, do you understand? We had two different estimates. The annual that's been providing has been from Ron Stubbins. The information on that little chart was from Amos with the integrity, solar. That's why there's a little bit of difference in how they calculated that. Mike is a little bit different. I'm just quoting Rob Stubbins because his installation, his cost is lower. The other estimate was $14,000, installation cost. His was? His was $11,000 before the tax credit, $11,000 to $17,000. That was up there first. Two things. I want the roof on the library. I'm just getting to that. Big important factor, and is this to be grid-connected or battery-connected? It is mentioned, it says that the roof is in good shape. And even though it's a steep, steep roof, and the building is a two-story building, he doesn't foresee any trouble with the installation. So I heard that in Amos, they could see lots of screws or nails sticking out, like, out of the roof. The roof's been on since the 80s, I guess. Yeah. And in my understanding, if you're going to put solar on a roof, you should probably place that roof at the standing seam so you're not penetrating the roof and you're not putting solar on something like that. So that would be an expense that should be... I can add that. I mean, my roof is an asphalt shingle roof. And, you know, they can install the racking through asphalt shingles and they can seal it up and it doesn't leak. I can tell you, 13 years I haven't had a drop come through. In comparing the two estimates, Rob Stubbins Company has not been to Rochester. They were simply giving an estimate from the information provided on the donated system and our electric bill. Amos includes a structural engineer which would have to sign off on the project because it's a public building. So there's some costs that aren't the same in those two estimates for comparison. Amos has seen the roof and the condition of the roof and the height of the roof and included in his estimate is the fact that there would have to be a man lift because of the steepness of both the roof and the sides of the building which haven't been included in the other estimate as well because they have not been on a site visit. So just trying to give you some information for those comparisons. So I guess this whole conversation could kick off a fundraising drive trying to raise money for whether or not it's using these panels or new panels and that the roof needs to be addressed and I guess that's definitely, you know, it's not in the budget this year for sure but if you could raise, you know, I assume they've analyzed the exposure and deemed it an appropriate exposure for solar access. Yeah, definitely. And the thing is that Mike is installing new panels. So the people who will be taking off the existing panels would like to just, they would transport the old panels at the same time to whatever location. So that's the time we are talking about. This is a time issue. Mike wouldn't want to wait until next year, so we would... I don't know if that would kind of fault us into deficit spending to jump into a project this big. I think this would need to be, we'd have to fundraise and I guess the first step is to have an engineer look at the building and make sure, like, we were going to do it on this building and the engineer went up there and it was going to be cost prohibitive to make this structure strong enough. Now, I understand that that used to have slate on it and held up to that. It's probably, but who knows? I mean, that's what the engineers are thinking. Yeah, that's well, that's the second... Yeah, the other... What's the name here? Jeanette mentioned the other side. He talks more about the roof because Jeanette had mentioned he saw the roof. And, yeah, in turn... From the ground, no one's climbed up there and respected it. I don't think so. So, Mike, is it an issue of restoring panels? If you want to get those off your roof and something new on them, donations could be made without having to install them immediately, right? Oh, sure. Are they cited to go the 25 panels on just the south side of the roof or is it both sides? Just one half of them. Yeah, on the north side, that face doesn't get a lot of exposure. So, yeah, just the south face. So, all 25 will fit on that one? Oh, yeah. Well, plus more. So, to add more to maximize it within the project and to maximize it as well. And that doubles the money. The incremental cost of installation goes down with each additional panel. Reduce the issue with payment. Just looking at this solar possibility has brought up the condition of the existing roof and our need to look into what appears to be lots of screws sticking out that even if we do nothing solar-wise just to preserve the roof, we need to get somebody up there see if it's just a matter of putting new screws in or whether the new roof needs to be replaced. But it's not in the library budget to even have the roof evaluated for the current condition and didn't know if the solar question has shed light. Indeed it has, but I didn't know if there was any money in the building reserve fund to have a roofer take a look at it. They could get in line. Definitely get in line. I guess it's not anything that would be happening immediately, especially after the where we stand right now. This way we're kind of trying to pull the first strings kind of tight because there are a lot of paving and other expenses that are brought up. So someone had brought up in conversation the age of the panel so they're still functional or 80% good. More than that. What I was going to ask is if this is a project that is would have to raise funds for it to really pull it off and do it right could we accept your donation and sell those panels and put that money towards buying and put panels up there should we put the state of the art newer panels? I would consider that. Or you could just sell them yourself. I'm looking to donate them. That's my objective. To a place where they would not otherwise be able to be used. All right. Free panels. Free and further. You must have a closet to stick them in or something. It's free. Can we just get the panels and start working towards doing something with them? I'm not averse to accepting the donation but I'm just exploring and I'm just saying we can't stop them up on the roof right now. We have room in the library basements. There you go. I think you should have one in the library with a notice saying donate to get these on the roof. There you go. Good idea. I guess your question is correct. If we find out that we need a new roof and it's a long-term fundraising project to go solar is would we be I mean we would not be required to use these particular panels but just knowledge that we may need to could start the project and one way or the other. Yeah. In this town we've been doing something solar for many years now and I guess there would be a great donation that I think people would accept and I think we'd have to invest in seeing exactly what it would, is it an appropriate spot to have someone analyze it. I think if the key is another town building with acceptable roofs you could just put the panels on that and funnel the electricity to the library. Well I'm just saying we got more buildings in town than the library if we got to spend a million dollars on the roof to get the solar going. We've done a lot of this one with the first stop. This one is going to take too much and it's going to be strong enough. The fire station is not pointed the right way. That's not appropriate. That's not really strong enough or oriented that well. It's been the challenge, is where to put it. That's why we've loaded the idea of buying into an offsite installation which was voted down because it was a California company. The quick answer is not really. If the library roof is strong enough it would be that the church I think is doing pretty well. The school I would just want to ask about the school. There's been a lot of back and forth about the school and questions about the structural integrity of that roof. I don't know. I haven't seen the studies but I know that has been brought up before and for some reason they discounted the possibility of the school. In a sense that's a big roof there. Also the town has an energy coordinator appointed position and that's Marvin Harvey who is actually quite knowledgeable and solar panels himself. He may be able to research avenues for grants or something to combine library and solar together and see what comes up. So I would suggest touching base with Marvin about it as well. A gift to the library is a gift to the town. Since the library building is a town building that I don't know even if we made this our primary fundraiser for the next couple of years if we would be able to raise the kind of money needed that I think we are going to have to count on the town also helping with this project on this town building. You said one of these guys came and looked at the roof. He didn't actually get up there but he looked at the roof. Yolanda said something about there's a lot of talking quote about the roof. So is there any kind of warranty when they put these panels on about how long they're going to guarantee it without leaking or anything like that. We also have a situation of the attic in the library is very difficult to access plus we just put 27 inches of blown insulation in that space. Amos he did say that he would be able to put them on the roof and without accessing the attic he would simply run conduit off the roof because working within that attic is probably not going to be possible. Probably cheaper to do a conduit. Yeah. Because we don't want anybody in there with the 27 inches of blown insulation so if it gets compacted down we've ruined the whole thing. I know from experience with Pierce Hall that the building codes changed in 102 years and we had to do a lot of structural beefing up in the attic of Pierce Hall to meet the current structural codes and I suspect if you get a structural engineer up in the attic of the library they're going to find some stuff that doesn't meet the current code and that's a public building. That's really the first place to start. From my experience I would think so. It has been suggested it has been suggested one of the fresh proposal. First estimate by Rob Stavin because it's not here but the first one so the roof would need to be inspected by an engineer. However we don't have money in the 2018-19 budget to even have a structural engineer come out. Exactly but I would say we need the money to even take that step forward since we don't have it in this year's budget. Can I just say something a little confused about your quote and what this guy is saying in your quote are you not working together? There's two different groups here two different quotes. Who should we be looking at? Your quote or your quote? It's irrelevant really. I probably would like to have copies of that if you took a minute. Have you forwarded all the people? I have not seen this stuff at all. I forwarded it to the trustees and I forwarded it to the micers. The real question here is Mike are you still willing to donate your used panels to the town in the interest of pushing this conversation forward about trying to get some solar gained to the town and with the knowledge that it's you're not going to see them up on our roof anywhere immediately but it could maybe set a if we haven't figured anything out within five years that you get them back or you get to give them to somebody else or something. I didn't think that people could scramble so fast to happen it overnight. It would be nice to storm on a roof and have them be working on it. That's the interest that we've done. I'm fine with that. You're saying that you've got enough room in the basement in the library to storm? I should say we should have Mike come by and tell us how much space would be necessary. There is some space available in the library if they can be stacked. We can make room by but we also require some additional work by pushing some shelves rearranging shelves. It can be done. It can be done. You can make room that's what I'm saying. We've put it out there that the town is open to an angel investor that would pay for structural analysis of the roof structure. Do you want to ask an investor? Possibly the town, the select board, might consider in terms of an interest for Europe. It seems to be right here, right now, of thinking about who the other entities are and let that person form a committee of people like the library. To somehow get the nuts and bolts of this together to focus the activity of a smaller group of people. That's kind of speaking to what Patty was saying now about Marvin Harvey who's the morning town energy coordinator. He's passionate about solar power. He's put a lot of it on and he should be brought into the conversation. I will reach out to Marvin and ask him to reach out to him. Do you know the way of this conversation at all yet? No. Yep. Well, Marvin's where? Where is he? Where is he? Well, I won't say that he's aware that this conversation is happening and he's aware of the potential go-name. So the board is actually wanting to find a donor to pay for the structural analysis. So are you saying that the select board would be willing to pay for the structural analysis? No. I didn't get that. We're going to publicize the fact that we are looking for someone, a structural engineer that may want to donate their time or somebody that's passionate about the library building and this effort that they may want to fund that. So a donor to either pay for or provide the structural analysis? Yeah. Okay, thank you. Same way with the fat is flowing by here as well. All right. So to be continued, I'm sure. Okay, well, thank you. Thank you, Mike. You're welcome. Yeah. Nobody's here from the council office. John, welcome. Hello. Not a lot. Mike, can you turn the table? Yes. We had many of us. We worked like mine. As you can see, considered. Mm-hmm. And like you and I spoke, we need to investigate. We're going to investigate. I'm off to six weeks. Okay. This is an estimate. Take two morning drill. I know. Yeah. I just got it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm a little nervous. It is necessary. Other than that, I really don't have anything. Yeah. We haven't advertised things out yet. No, we haven't. Just tested that. Yeah. We kind of discussed it last week. We weren't here the last week. I guess you must have read it in the paper. Two meetings ago. You asked me to bring that, so I did. It was to carry your picture. We discussed it out on two meetings ago. Right. I think it would be money well spent. Yeah. Yes. Bruce, you have something. I've got a question about schedules. Here we are in the latter half of July, and I know the Bingo Road past Tarlands hasn't been graded at all this year, and it's still rutted from the spring, so you didn't know if it's on the schedule to get through it, or? It is. Has anybody been up West Hill lately? I guess it was last week there up there. Yeah. It just about takes a tank to get up that hill by Welch's camp because people don't know enough to slow down when they're climbing that hill and to watch for other... It's ridiculous that I wish people had learned, you know, to take it easy going up those steeper hills, but my god, it just beat you to death going up that road right now. I was on the Bingo Road, and there was one section of the Bingo Road that seems to be ungraded since spring. Perhaps it needs a little more gravel. I think in some places I did notice that there were some lead showing through the road, so I don't know if that area was being avoided to not damage the grader because it's about a section that's not done and then it's good again after that. So I wasn't quite sure why it was that, but I think it's just a section of Bingo. And then from the road you go, it gets beautiful again. So is that what it is? The Forest Service has done their section. They do 62 and they do beyond the intersection. So is this that section there? Yeah. Forest Service does everything through the four corners. Okay. And they've already done it. I know you will. Work is continuing on the wastewater project. Terry's not here to report on that, but we'll see they've been pushing forward on that. In terms of new business, we had someone wanted to volunteer to provide a dog waste station on the park. Is there anyone here that can speak to that? My campus has me. Michael Cruz who had offered before to put a dog waste station on the park. He put one up in Great Hawk and says it's very helpful for people up there. So I brought it back to see if we really think that we need it. I have not seen a lot of on the park for quite a while since it became a big issue. We're still willing to don't need this. Is he going to maintain it and empty it? He didn't say that. I honestly think one would be more functional down by the tennis courts because it seems like a lot of dogs are walked back there. I haven't seen much issues on the park. I think it's so public that people are pretty picking up that. That would be a good area for disposing of it. It would be possible that the Port-a-Potty people could tend to that as well. Oh, don't. Okay. So they didn't run by the fire department? You weren't listening? No. I'm just kidding. I was actually thinking it's been about seven years since I've been in one of these. They're talking about waste on the park then building it. And they haven't talked about seven years, so it must have worked. I don't think anything better to talk about. It's it's a problem. It's food. I've got the winter and the spring out at the root. That's where I see a lot of stuff that's down to the baby. I would recommend that my wife actually put a bucket down there last winter for people to use during the winter and clean up stuff. I don't think it's So you're thinking the area down by the tents first? Yeah. Do we have a candidate? No. No decision was made. Not until you decide who's going to take care of the rest. True. She was going to clean it out. More information on the workers' topic? I did not. No, I just put it on there as a, as a, as a come back to it so we don't get about it because we're about to try to figure something out. I think I didn't get any response from local clerks to a very quick email before I tried to go on vacation. So maybe I'll try them again. And that was just our local email. Yeah. And to have it on public record, we have decided that the fire department officers will have a team to access fuel at the town garage because it was discussed openly, so we do have closure to that by the officers. Can we have a key to the lock box? A key to the lock box? To a cane fuel. A cane fuel from the town, from the town garage? From the town garage. The skip mark diesel tank is going to be replaced so we can have it commissioned for a couple of months. Okay. Maybe you could just make sure they all know that they need to write down their, you know, their gallons or whatever so we can build them more. Forever than a couple of months. Yeah, I think we'll need a town paying tax on something. Yeah, and they don't have to. You know, we've got tax free fuel down there. And they've been buying it, you know, up here. And so, you know, if they needed that three o'clock in the morning and the fire department they'd be out in the box. That would just make sense. Yeah, they might. So it gets charged up to 250 bucks. Yeah, the school knows how to do it. They get it through the tractor. That's it. That's reading. Any important questions? Oh, nothing yet. Nope. Just request for information.