 My cat's like this. Check it, check it, check it. It's your unique house. It's your boy, E-C-E-O. And I'm here with the lovely, amazing, official Mr. Maker. What's going on? None, none. You know my dad will walk on. Man, hold up. I done up and done it, man. You know what I'm saying? I'm still running down through Dallas, man. Wide over on the freeway, n***a. 635, 75, uh, uh, uh, what? Give me some more, n***a. 45. 45, n***a. Give me some more, n***a. Give me some more. Highway five, n***a, up in Lucas, n***a, wherever you want to be. I'm narrow. Yes, sir. Like the bed line. Hey, man, my brother Will is in the building. Y'all hear that voice, man? Y'all done heard this man, that my doggie? Yes, yes. Man, bust it? Yes. All these different songs, man, that came out in an era where a man, you know, we wouldn't have expected to see that type of change, but we don't get into that. Mr. Maker, what's going on today? None. You know, I like to take it way back. I want to know about your bringing. I want to know. You were raised in what area of Texas? North Dallas. North Dallas, that's what I thought. Be specific, what part of North Dallas? Northeast Dallas. Skillmen. That's what I was wondering, skillmen. Skillmen and I did your key. That's the most popular part, like everybody I know that say North Dallas, that's mainly where everybody be from. You know, see, that's nine days. Back in the day, they didn't like to claim that side. Well, Chapel was the area, man. When it came to the north, they didn't, you know, they considered us as the white. We was like, they're like garland, you know? We was like garland McKinney. They didn't, it wouldn't have claimed it. There used to be a nice area back then. And now what is it? It's hood. They told the city up, and I'm not gonna say that. I just said, I'm gonna stop saying that because they really didn't tear the city up. What it is, it's a city that they don't show attention to that part of the city when they see certain different demographics living there. So it's really not that they told the city up. You go over to different cities, like you go over to Plano, or you go over to different places, the rock wall, the upkeep is different. So that's the whole game. And then we play into it by thinking we in a ghetto mentally. See, you know, I'm dope. I'm like a psychologist in this whole, you know what I'm saying? Yes, yes, yes, and that's what it was, man. And it really didn't, it really didn't start transitioning into a cast like Pookie and Luchy, you know, came and did, they, they ain't a K-Rock, can't forget about K-Rock. You can't. But when them boys came and did, they think then it started transitioning. And then, you know, it became an area to claim and rep. You know. But you said when you were growing up back then, skimming audio, it wasn't bad back then? Yes, it was. You know, it's crime that go everywhere. It's crime that happened in Plano. And, you know, McKinney outlet, but it's not, you know, it's not glorified. Exactly. Yeah, people walk up and do anything to you. Yeah. Hit old folk, hit people. They used to hit you. Niggas still on a nigga and then walk away. They take you still. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Punch it, knock it, I take it, go in your pocket and walk away. But, you know, so it wasn't glorified, it wasn't a thing to do or be rep, you know, until those guys came along in my eyes because I moved here from New Orleans. Oh, okay. How old were you when you moved from New Orleans? My mother moved to Dallas in 95. Oh, before Katrina. So how old are you? How old were you then? In 95, I still was a kid. I can't, I actually stayed in New Orleans and I came here after I graduated elementary. So I was about 12 years old. Okay, so you remember New Orleans pretty well. Yes. Oh, yeah. So did you miss it when you left? Yeah, at the time I did. But as I stayed here and got to, you know, becoming my own and, you know, learning things, meeting new friends and people, I didn't want to go back. Because then you had the New Orleans accent back then when you was a kid. Yes, real tough. Did they treat you differently when you moved here? Yes, yes. Did you like music back then at 12? Yes. So did you know about Peaches Record Store? No. That was, that's where we interviewed, I just interviewed down there. She helped Master P. M. Birdman careers when she sent out B.G.'s first CD to Universal and stuff like that. Like her name is Sherroney. Shout out Sherroney and Peaches. You'll see Man and Fresh. As a matter of fact, me and X used to work there. Okay. It's hard, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I went down there and did interviews all day. I loved it down there too, man. They're good people, man. They embrace you, man. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't, at the time, I was into music, but I wasn't that far into it. So back then you were into sports. Because you know, most kids are usually like, what did you play? Football, basketball, baseball? I played everything I could. Football, basketball, baseball. Were you good at any of them? Yes. As a matter of fact, I was very good at it. Let's stop, bro. Man, I was very good at that football. Come on here with them, man. What position you played at football? Bro, niggas do this when they get older, they go to telling these big fish stories. Mm-mm, mm-mm. I actually had some of them, man. What are the papers at, man? Because we did newspaper clipping back then. What are the clips at, man? And the trophies. And the trophies are justified, man. I played tailback though. I was a, I was a tailback. What did you run in the fall there, bro? I was a four-six. Four-six. Yeah, I was about four-five, I gotta eat you up, man. Oh, no. Ooh, I just smoked this dude, man. And in the party, I walked that boy. Mm-mm, mm-mm. Yeah. You see that boy, T.O. did that. He did the same thing. Yeah, I just seen it, yeah. He did that party with some young boys. Yeah, the young boys out there, he still got it. He still got it. They playing, man. That man is a robot. He been, you know... Go ahead, still. So did you, so growing up there, you had siblings? Yes. How many y'all? I just had one little brother. Little brother, no sisters. Yeah, no sisters. My pops end up having more kids as I got older, and they all boys too. Oh, so it runs in the family? Cause you got two boys, no girls. Yeah, I know. I have a girl. Oh, you finally have a girl? Yes, I have the only girl in the whole family. Wow. I bet you she spoiled Ron. Ron 10. How old is she? She's 12. Wow. So, growing up around all boys, what was that like being in New Orleans? And then your mom and dad, were they together? No. My pops was incarcerated in Angola. In where? In Angola. Where's Angola? Down in Los Angeles. Yeah, in Louisiana. Louisiana? How old was it? How old were you when he got incarcerated? When he was in, I think I was maybe three years old when he got incarcerated. He got out when I was 15. Mac was incarcerated. I don't know if he was, did he say he was in Angola? Mac. I don't know. Yes. That's my boy. I interviewed him at Peaches. Me and him rocked out. Yeah. My pops ended up getting a major stint from coming here. Coming here to Texas, doing his thing, going back home up 10 and got jammed up and he ended up doing 13. Wow. So, okay. So how old are you? I didn't catch that. How old do you say you were when he got locked up? I was maybe two or three years old. Oh, so you don't even remember anything about. And when he came out? When he came out, I was all mad. How old were you? I was 13 years old. So at that time, what was your mom taking you to go see him when he was in prison? So you were still building a relationship with him and stuff like that during that time? Yes. That's one of the things I remember telling him that we had a conversation not too long ago and I was telling him like, man, I remember, we used to come see you and we would go through the checkpoint. We still have to drive 10, 15 miles within, you know, in this gated area just to get to the prison where y'all live. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, yeah, he was laughing about that shit, but it wasn't funny to me. When you came out, you were able to build a relationship since you were going back and forth to prison and talking to him. Because, you know, sometimes when you're a young man and then your dad come home from prison, you're like, you can't tell me what to do. I'm grown right now. Yeah. So did you have that type of relationship with him or were you like, you know, you couldn't wait for him to come home? Yes, I did. And it took just for one time, he got on my ass and we were gonna talk and that was over with. That was over with, wow. So being down in Louisiana, that's a whole different ball game when it comes to the justice system. Oh, yeah. Them boys talk heavy about it, but Mack was telling me that they had a solution to the gang violence. They don't have gangs, he say. Yeah. Because they put them all in a one tank and just and let them in. Everything wide open. Uh-huh. You talk crazy to that when you got sleep by that one tonight. Yeah. That crazy, ain't it? Yeah, that's real crazy. That's real crazy. I would want to be in that one. On me. But no, I like the fact that you did have some grid in there and when you little. That matters, man. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Going through like that, right? Mm-hmm. So see, that was one of the things that I always, you know, changed my mind state on just how I moved and how I did music because, you know, coming from New Orleans to Dallas. And then I didn't actually just stay in Dallas that long. I was here in Dallas maybe five, six years. Got into some trouble. Mom was like, hell no. She sent me to Atlanta where my pops had moved at. Oh, OK, yeah. Moms always do that because they can't handle y'all. Yeah. You know, although I hear some men sit here and like, oh, my mom was like the dad. She can pull me up. But really, man, you stronger than her. Yeah, yeah. My mom a little, man. She ain't, you know, it was by that age, it wasn't too much she could do. You know, she was already beating us with the broomsticks and all that after that. Yeah, can't be scared of her no more. What kind of trouble did you get into when you were here for the first time? Uh, I wasn't really like I didn't get in trouble at school after school. I did things like she worked a lot. So I'll be on the block with the hustlers. I'm out selling craigs. She coming there. She finding dope in our house and lots of money and shit. Like where does come from? New clothes and all this, you know what I'm saying? So that was the kind of trouble and that's what she was trying to steer me away from. But you didn't get in trouble with the laws back then for it? Yes, I did. You did? Yes. OK, did you? My first time going to jail, I was like 15. OK. Did you serve time? No. OK. I didn't serve no time. How did you get out of it? It was my first charge. I still don't mind it. They gave me like six months probation. It was full of bullshit gun charge. Like six months papers. Did the six months and she sent me to Atlanta. OK. I mean, so you get down to Atlanta. How old are you again? Get down to Atlanta. I'm 15, maybe 16. 15? Who you know down in Atlanta? Nobody but my daddy. And he down there talking crazy or he chilling or what? He was chilling. You know, he was fresh home into a new marriage. So he was chilling. I was still alive. Why? What year was this? This was 2000, 2001. 2001. You down there and niggas doing that. Body head, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they doing the little stomp. T.I. But the stomp. You know, I'm talking about that. That them niggas had a little stomp. Then here's what he. You remember it, don't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Huh, huh, huh, yeah. And so these niggas. Yeah, they're young bloods. Young bloods. Them little niggas were hard. But Atlanta was getting a real serious. It had the buzz at that time. It was buzzing. It wasn't just hot, hot, hot. It was going there, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The main, the people hanging out with Jay-Z. They were doing songs from New York that welcomed to it. Da, da, da, da, da. Yeah, they playing games with us. It was real vibrant. Man, shout out to that boy Sean Powell, too, man. A lot of people don't know. Sean Powell. I got Sean Powell on the remix to bust it open, man. For real? Yes. Like, that's hard, man. Shout out to that boy Sean Powell. That nigga was hard. He was the hardest one in the group, though. Brush it with respect, you know what I'm saying? So when you first, so you get down to Atlanta, when did you start to really get serious about music? We're going to go there, OK? When did you start to really get serious about the music? I was serious. Before you left? Yes, yes. Before I left, when I got to Atlanta, it really changed my mindstate to show me that it was real. Yeah. Because I had started a rap group in Atlanta. What was the name of it? Money Hive. Y'all got anything on the internet? No. But what was the name? What was money at Money Hive? Money Hive. Like a B-Hive. A Money Hive. OK, yeah. Yes, Money Hive. And it was actually with T.I. La Cousin. OK, and so what's T.I. La Cousin name? Amon, Rest in Peace, man. My father Amon. Oh, he passed away. Amon. Yes, Amon. What type of dude was Amon? A live Y. Oh, so he was, he wanted them to go and get to him? Yes, always. Was he from Bankhead? Yes, no, he was from McAnivill. OK, but I know T.I. La Cousin, his grandma was in Bankhead, Shawty Lowsey. Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't bother. Shawty Lowsey, he really was over there, but he said they had a little cut back and forth about that. Yeah, man, little bro from McAnivill. McAnivill. And at that point of time, we had started doing work with Tomb. OK, Tomb, shout out to him. Yeah, I've seen him. He been doing his round. Maybe one day we'll get him down here to Texas. Oh, yeah, man. That's the OG, man. OK, so what happened with Tomb? Like, this the beat-making nigga, right? Yes, yes. So the nigga makes beats and be on it. Like, he got a real good name with him and T.I. Him and T.I. had some real flamboyant moments. No, I'm going to change the language up a little bit. But they had some nigga we hear moments, you know what I'm saying? They came hard and you didn't. He wasn't that nigga, though, when you met him. Meaning, like, in your mind, he was just a cat you were going to the thing with, or you thought he would be. No, I thought he was big. OK, let's talk about that. I thought he was bigger than life because at the time, be easy. All those jams, they having good success. That nigga, too, had some hits. Yeah. I had a nigga to tell me I had a nigga around me to be on this. I'm not for to go there. Acting like this nigga was a young T.I. I'm not going to say his name, but you know what I'm talking to. Yeah, that nigga died though. Yeah, you were all for that, but he good, but that nigga. But so you see that did you get to meet T.I. during them times when this was going on? No, I mean, we we've seen each other during passing, but we never actually spoke. Spoken up, yeah. So Tomb was, you and Tomb, y'all still know each other. OK, so when you and Tomb doing y'all thing, what did y'all what was something that stuck out about the way that he done? Because you don't see a lot of niggas doing music now. Yes. What sticks out to you about the way he done his process to doing the the the beats and and being in the studio? Man, his process was so crazy because his work ethic was like no other. Like we didn't stand there all day, bro. Yes, we will be in there all day. Like we to Tomb will come get us at eight, nine in the morning. We go with him. And he had he had a set up to where he had a keyboard and MP here. He had an MP here and then he had like two, three keyboards here. And he would just sit in the middle of all three of those sections smoking and making beats. He'd be making one be here, turn, make another be here. But he got a different joint or blunt at each section. So he had turned, put that block down, turn, make, making another be here, smoking the joint, boom, boom, put that down, turn this way, making a whole another track over here. And then smoking a whole other thing. All of it. But he's doing that right there within an hour. And he and that's all day, all day, all day. And by the time we leave, he didn't pump that shit, nine, ten beats. So I thought process was we got to catch up. To what? When you think about to that's was this during the flip beef thing when I'm in at that music? It was a motivation. And it was a little they say up. Did he get he plays in that? Yes, you know, I'm in Texas, so I'm catching feelings right now. You know, flip this one flip. Well, you know, I'm saying this thing was serious, you know, back in the days. It was it was a little before it was a little before. But during that during to the right time, yeah, that's what I thought. It's mixed in real good. That negative will own it, man. I remember going to the birthday bash that year and we had already been dealing with tip for like a year. You know what I'm saying? We was like a year in working together. And T.I. made a statement about flip. You know, flip the homie flip. That's my dog love you. You know him, then I didn't know flipped in. OK, but what do you say? What do you say this over now? He said he said some shit about the King of the South. Like, oh, he was he was upset a little bit college. So the King of the South come out of the Rear King. But it was so much. I mean, I kind of I paid attention to it and I was a fan of flip at this time, but it kind of bypassed me because it was so much going on here at birthday bash. Like Pastor Troy was into it with Sammy Sam. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just a lot going on, man. Them niggas was out there crazy. Like this nigga, Pastor Troy flew a blimp over there. Motherfucker. Damn. Fuck, Sammy Sam. Oh, damn. Niggas was really busy. Yeah, yeah, it was that type of situation. That type of wow, man. It was, you know, different time. Yes. Nine niggas and killing each other. That part. But back then you could beef and it wasn't just when you were going to get killed that day. Yeah, you weren't going to get killed, man. They were, if anything, they were going to do some punching and leave it at that, you know. Yeah, the game didn't change. Yeah, it totally, totally. So when you think about, go ahead. Go ahead, did you have anything? No, not about music. I'm going in on his music. When you think about just the fact of you being in Atlanta during that time, when did you end up coming back to Dallas? I stayed in Atlanta, what, maybe a year and a half, two years. A year and a half. Yeah, came back to Dallas. It was 2003. Okay, okay. Came back to Dallas. 2003, 2003, that's when, you know, that's when, you know. Mm-hmm. No, you had like you upset about it. Mm-hmm. Okay, that's when it was going down in 2003. That was pre-the kids. There wasn't no kids, then. No, it was just me and her. Oh yeah. That was it, 2003, I remember that year. So when you came through in 2003, okay, how old was you at that time? At that time I was about 16. 16, 17. Yeah. And now you go back to North Dallas. Yes. Right back to North. You and your daddy fell out, didn't you? Yeah. The nigger was tripping. Yeah, choked me up, beat me up. The nigger choked you. I let my son go. I took my boy down there and dropped him off in North Kenton. Oh yeah. Yeah, we fell out the same way. Yeah. I had to whoop him up, took him down there, dropped him off, told the nigger, look here, man, I'm done with it. You gonna be respectful. We didn't, we didn't, we didn't stay away from each other long. Yeah, me and him, me and him. That's my boy right there. But that's a part of it, man. Yeah, it was just a growing process. I felt like we had to go through that to get, you know, to where we are today. Respect. Yeah. So when you got back and you get here and now you add that group down there, how hard was it to reformat and get back situated here in the Dallas market? It honestly wasn't that hard, but like I said, R.P. my nigger mom, he died two months of me moving back. Oh, okay. So you was mentally going through some stuff? Yeah, so mentally, yeah, I was kind of, you know, I was lost and it was showing within school now. So I ended up, they ended up kicking me out of the school I was going to at Lake Highlands. Ended up getting kicked out of there. Then I started going to this charter school here. Evolution. Okay. And that's where I met my partner, Lil Seenam, and they introduced me to the rally boys. Yeah, the rally boys, they had a hell of a run. Yes, yes. So when you think about the wave back then, it was different, man. You know, you talking about a time when the screw music was up. I heard you in the super tight interview cause I watched it cause I'm a big, I'm a big boy. Me and Bobo ride, but ride or die, nigger. P.M.C. got us connected like hell. But anyway, when I see you talking about, you and that nigger talking, I wish I was in the room. Yeah, I tell you, it was gangsta music here and now a nigger banging that screw too, nigger. A nigger but banging the hell out that screw. See, am I right? Yeah, yeah. That screw music was real. It was different than everybody else's too. Nigger had gangsta music, but that screw music selling double CDs and all that. One CD was screwed, one CD was regular. Nigger listen, man, this was the era we was in too. Yes. Am I right? Yes, sir. So this was a time when y'all niggas was, y'all were double divin'. You know, nigger might screw, a screw that in my dougie. Do, do, do, do. Yeah, you ain't lie though. You ain't lie. Them boy, them boy were dropping the regular dish, then they dropped the purple one. I was mad when they took that away. I was, I blame that on Flip too. Cause he, you know, you got focused over there on T.I. It shouldn't even be a word about that nigger. Let that nigger do what he doing, stay doing what you doing, that's the way I felt about him. And he didn't do that. I think he got more focused on what that nigger was doing and trying to figure out what I am. No, stay focused on that screw, nigger, this Texas. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. For real though. I see that. You know, as you get older though, you kind of see. Yeah. You're staying your lame. That's it. You know, what's going on over there. You gotta do Texas. It wouldn't change nothing. They bite us anyway. Anyway. And I feel like, you know, when I see you, I think about that song, you know, my duggy man, when you was doing that, my duggy whole situation, I want to say thank you first of all, cause that was hard, you know what I'm saying? You know, you type of nigger man that came up with something that was, it definitely wasn't newly done because a nigger paying homage to the predecessor, the person who was before him. Yes. You know, and I can't say it hadn't been done, it hadn't been done that way. Yes. In a dance and then this nigger, a duggy is a pinnacle. He is a, he is the, when it come to beat boxing, he. Hey man. The only nigger that could rock with him was all. Bees. Bees and one more. The fat boys, you can't leave the fat boys out, them boys was hard, you know what I'm saying? But this nigger was doing something with his stroke, making these clicking sounds. Yes. And how did you even home into duggy like that? You a young nigger. Yeah, well my mama was a big music fan, man. My mama listened to everything from Snoop Dogg to Needle Baker, you know? So I mean, it was, it was evident that he would, you know, come across my palette, you know what I'm saying? So, I mean, I just, I was always astounded by, you know, just how he can do that shit. Beat boxing and be able to. Six minutes, six minutes, six minutes duggy fresh, you're on, on, on. And then you gotta, see a lot of people don't know that's him beat boxing. I know. If you pay attention to my video of my duggy, that's actually duggy fresh beat boxing in the front of the song. That's hard. Like his actual beatbox is within the, within the beat. Okay. You niggas is some mess because y'all took that and made his anthem. And then when you did it, his dancing was not exactly like y'all dancing. Yeah, nigger. Yes. He would do the, I knew his dance because I'm older than that. He was quick with it. He didn't do it. Y'all niggas was, you know, doing it like that. But he just come across the circle. So how, how did y'all come up with that dance? I know Lil Spain, I interviewed Spain. How did, when you first seen the dance and how the dance got discovered, how did this thing happen? Man, we had a, it was this thing around. I know you probably came across to the D-Town boogie. Yeah, of course. You know where we are. I thought niggas was really gay at first when I seen that dance in the strip course. Now I'm being real. I would get mad at them niggas because them niggas were, you know what I'm saying? They were doing their thing, but it was like these niggas filming them with and we were gangsta. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was with the shoulders. So, I mean, I really just, I took that and just, you know, added the Duggy fresh swoop to it. And, you know, kind of did my Duggy. But we was gangsta, but when you think about it, you look at how, you look at how the Duggy, you know, and the D-Town boogie, they made a niggas, they made a niggas respect that. Yeah. And then I noticed them niggas that were doing it. These niggas really would, yeah. Who was this? My partner. Okay. All right, he moving the kids around. I thought, I said, what nigga coming in here gonna just move the kids around? He ain't supposed to be in here moving nobody kids around. You see what I'm saying? Now you see why I stopped. Like, what the hell going on this thing, you know. Hey, look, them boys, they ain't gonna let him. Oh, okay. I was trying to figure out what the hell going on over there. You know I was, don't you? I already figured it out. You did. Oh, you should have told the old boys, tell me a little bit of mine. So when you think about it, let's get back into it. I'm sorry about that. I had to check everything. I make sure everything good so I can talk my talk. Yes sir. So when you first, so here we go. Let's go back in. You basically say y'all put the swoop to it. And, but y'all mixed it with that boogie. I remember that, man, I remember going to the club and first seeing that it messed my head up. The D time boogie, the way nigga were doing it. We was not doing that, bruh. We was really, we ain't got real hard, nigga. The 90 that chronic came out, nigga was shooting, nigga smoking, chronic. And we was really just kicking it. It wasn't not doing it like that. See, that was, I don't know if Spain broke it down, but that was really our narrative. You know, cause we, from how we grew up, man, and the things that we was into, it was our gangster. We didn't have to paint that facade, or paint, not even the facade, paint that picture to the people to make it, you know, to try to make some mouth of it. We wanted to have fun, have a good time, man, because outside of that, outside of the entertainment, we really was living that life. We was going back over there, dealing with Giz, no rally, and going to the south and dealing with Cottonmouth, Jesse, you know what I'm saying? Smurf, Franklin, them, Allen, boy, they, you know, really in the streets, we're really in the streets with these guys, man, we in the funk with Big Ben. Okay. You know, we doing, interacting in street activities. So when we doing this music, we want to make it fun. We wanted, it wanted, it was an escape for us. We're not trying to go and be rapping about, shoot them up, bang, bang, kill, kill, and then when we get out of town and I let, we looking over our back again, because of the music that we make, you know what I'm saying? I got to go back, cause I, I had to move forward real fast. Got to have a good time. You, you had a song that you don't think many niggas know about, bitch, I'm not on the ball. This was something you did with Rook. Yes. Zeke told me about it. That's the only reason I know about it. He say, that's a nigga about bitch, I'm not on the ball. You know, he said he did that over at my spot. Is this true? Yes, that's actual factual. How did you even know Zeke? Cause I got it. I got it. That's my people. So Zeke TV, I got to shout you out right now. How did you, how did you even know, even know the link in with? He was in the north cause that's why he was there. No, he, Zeke actually lived under, his apartment was under my mom's apartment. Okay. And it was right in front of the little stoop where we used to hustle at. How old were you at the time? I was like 15, 16. I was fresh back from Atlanta. So yeah, I was about 15, 16. 15, 16 years old. Yes, fresh back. And so that when you first came back? Yes, when I first came back. So how did you meet Rook? I never met Rook a day in my life. I went to school. But my cousin said, the wheel and Rook, they used to come and wrap in my house. Yes, yes, yes. I'm like, what the hell? How did he wrap, Rook wrap? I thought the nigga was over there at the street. What is the real life thing? He's like, nah, that nigga wrapped in my house. I was like, so he's like, they used to come over there all the time. Yes, me. See, I went to school with Rook. Man, I went to school with Allam Boys. Allam over there, real life. Jeff. Really? Yeah, fast money. I went to school with Allam Cat. So Rook was actually the first person out of all of us to ever actually put out an actual CD. Okay. Barcoded, scanned. I mean, he was the actual first person to ever do that around us. So yeah, that was a definite. But on the note with Zeke, I used to, she'd be posing in front of Zeke's house, you know, doing my thing. That's what we all did. Yeah, so that's how me and Bro, you know, kind of got into twine. And yeah, he let us know he had a studio there. And we stayed. That wasn't his first one. Yeah, we stayed, falling through his career though. Yeah, yeah, I just tripped out because that was so early on. That would be for any of this stuff, even Bro Gluze, would you ever thought you'd ended up where you at right now doing that? No. Well, why the hell would you doing it? I was because the passion, I just love music. But I didn't think I never thought it'd be to where it has been, you know, to the pinnacles that I reach, you know, it'd be so out of sight that to where you would think, man, never. Wow. So you basically now, you done, everybody known you throughout the world. My daughter was doing the dougie this morning when I put your, I was in a, you know, reviewing what I'm going to ask you. I'm going to interview this nigga today. She say, really? I said, yeah. She young. Yeah. She ain't but 17. Yes. But she saved my daughter who is older. That's who influenced her to understand how to doug in all that. Okay. So when I put that whole on, she went to hitting that hole. Yes. Right in the kitchen. Am I right, baby? Yeah, you're right. She hit that hole this morning. It looked like her. She was getting to it. And she had just woke up, hadn't she? I said, hit that doug in it. She hit that hole. I was asking how she know about it because she's so young, you know? She's like, yeah, my upperclassmen taught me how to do it. Yeah, okay. So that's hard, right? Like, dude, your household name, man. Yes, man, I love it, man. It seemed like nowadays it's starting to grow back legs of its own because it didn't went back viral on TikTok. That's what I was about to say. That's hard, man. Ain't that funny how things can come back around? Yeah, TikTok make everything come back around. Yes. Wow. So getting back to just going back into the deal with you in Spain and how y'all was linked up and how the dance came. It seems as if both of them came together. How did you and him even come together to even be doing the dance and the song? And I believe it was, to me, more closely knitted than even you guys realized. Just the fact of being, you know what I'm saying? Both of y'all being so into it at the time. Yeah, see the homie, the homie Rue boy. Yeah, shout out Rue. Rue called me and was like, well, he didn't even call me, bro, because all of us was living together at this time. Okay. Me, Rue, boy, Spain and DJ Q. Now living together? Yeah, we were living together. We had a, we actually had, we had a condo on MacArthur in Irving. And Rue come to me and was like, bro, we need a club jam. And I know, you know, we on this hard rapping shit with Big Ben and they had, we was just starting Young Rally. Was Rue just passionate as he is today? Because he a passionate dude. Yes. Same old passion. I always been like that. Yeah. How did you meet Rue? Through Gizmo, through Rally. That's hard. Yeah, we both, we both was young at the time. I think I was 15, 16, Rue was 19, 20 years old. You know, we always was up there because Rue did a reggae music. Yeah, yeah, you know, my wife, Jamaica, so they, yeah, he came over here. He didn't sound reggae to me. And then reggae and shit. Oh, he'll flip it. He'll turn it on and off. And she do that too. Yeah, he'll turn it on and off quick on you. But that's the type of music he was doing. So we was linked at the time and Cotton and Giz was starting Young Rally with me and Peeg and them. So Peeg ended up catching his time. So that situation kind of, you know, died down, freed a homie Peeg. Man, so he's still locked up? Yeah, yeah, yeah, still. Is he coming home? Man, he still got a little stint. How much time did he get? I think they gave bro, like 30 something years. You know, that's something I wanted to talk to you about too. But at any rate, I want to get back to this dance craze, how you and him basically keep going. Yes, yes, so a rule come at me, ask me about it. And I sit down, I'm smoking. I'm going through these beats that I didn't got from DJ Q. And I'm watching Peyton Full at the same time, though. The part with camera on, come across the screen, I hit it with the duggy, boom, that's it. I write the song, I call Spain upstairs, Spain, come here. Man, nigga, look, when you go to the club tonight, because he was clubbing every night, the nigga, he was already going viral back then, bro. Yeah, yeah, he got hurt, yeah. He was going viral around the same time as Soulja Boy. Wow, so he was going to get into it. Yes, and he was just dancing. Yeah, with the white glasses. Yeah, he was just showed to the club, jump on the stage and dance. Somebody recorded, he'll come home, post their shit in three, four thousand views the next day. You know what I'm saying? He was going viral back then, so I'm like, nigga, when you go to the club tonight, Q gonna play this song, I want you to do this with the dance, too. And da, da, da, da. Oh, you showed it, too. Yeah, and he was like, bitch. He went to the club that night, he did it. They came back with the video, we post that motherfucker, and did like, no bullshit, like a hundred thousand views within a month. And that was crazy back then. That was crazy back then, we were like, oh, shit. We got some. And that was on Facebook, right? That wasn't even, that was directly to YouTube. YouTube. Yeah, like, and Facebook, we wouldn't even own a Facebook then, we were still on my space. Yeah, yeah. So when it happened, you knew y'all had something. Then, and I heard a story, because me and him talked about the Soulja Boy, me and Lincoln with Soulja Boy. You guys had something special, Soulja Boy seen it. I thought Soulja Boy came down here to take it. He did. Did he come down here and didn't go back and try to do it? He just seen it from on the internet. He just seen it. And he tried to do it. And tried to, yeah. And it wasn't, was he doing it? No. But he had a video up where he was trying to do it. Yeah, trying to do it. He had already did that. You, he thought he would take this. He was trying to do it. He put a video up of him in the living room. He was doing some crazy shit. He had a mask on. He had a different type of song that kind of sounded like it. So we automatically attacked, like, nigga, you gotta come down to Dallas. You finna have to see us. Ain't none of that going on. He actually came down. Did he call y'all at that time? Well, no, he didn't. He's ceasing to assist. He's ceasing to assist the song that he did. Okay. That was kind of like Dougie or whatever. He took that down. That's all. Then he reached out and called us. And at the time, I still was on the run. Damn. So I couldn't do nothing. But Spain flew out to Cali, met with him. Soldier Boy did a verse for my Dougie. You know what I'm saying? Spain taught him how to actually do the dance. They recorded it. They linked up. Boom, bam, it was all good. Spain and Rue flew back. How did you feel about that, though? When Spain went out there and he corrected as you feel good, like, this is hard. The nigga doing right by us. Then when he come down, he show some mad love to you. Yes. Yes, show mad love. What did he do? Took us on an up close and personal tour. Wow. With Chris Brown. How much y'all make? Tell the truth. I can't hear what I'm doing. Get that money off. So he took y'all on the tour and stuff like that, including yourself, right? Yes. But you said you were on the run, so you wasn't on the run no more? No, I still was on the run. I just... Running to that show. Yeah, I was running to the bag. You know, we was driving in. Anyway, so, you know, I was just, I was just in my look. That's why I was like, when they flew up there, I'm like, why you didn't just drive? Yeah, no, because it was the time different she ain't going and driving to Cali. That's what they didn't have, you know. So when y'all did this, they come back, everybody kicking it, everything good, all this good y'all do. Y'all already did the video with Dougie at this time cause he came down here and he was all over at Big T. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had him at Big T. He was at Big T, out there on top of cars. Standing on the slab, yeah. I said, this nigga on top of cars at Big T? I remember that. I said, how the hell, what they got going? These niggas turning, you know, I was over at Big T going down to Glendale Park, coming back up there on Sundays and rolling back by the racetrack. You remember how he used to do it. What day was that y'all did that video on? Was that a weekday or weekend? It was a weekend, I know for sure, because the club was popping that night. Okay. Rhythm City, that old Corey, Corey from Clout. Okay, talk to me about Dougie and how he even, how fresh found out about y'all and everything. Let's talk about that. Man, it was real crazy because one day I just get a call from a New York number. I'm like, what the hell I answered? And it's one of Dougie's fresh sons. Okay, that's hard. How old this nigga is at the time calling people? At the time, he was 19, 20 years old. Okay, he old enough. Yeah, he was old. He was around our age. He was going to college in Atlanta. And he was like, yeah, man, I go to school in Atlanta, man. We came across your song, man, it's hard, man. I sent it to my pops. My pops want to work with y'all. And I'm on the phone, like, and this nigga bullshit, Dougie Fresh ain't here to date. All right, bro. Yeah, go on, do it, man. We ain't no cap back then. No cap. Real shit. I'm like, man, this nigga full of shit. I ain't feeling it. Yeah, I got it. All right, bro, yeah, bet. So he say, okay. So the next day, Dougie Fresh himself called me. Fuck me up. What'd you say when the nigga called you? Oh, shit, I'm losing my mind. I'm like, say, What's up, Dougie? What's up? Dougie Fresh. Dougie Fresh, look, man, if that's the play, whatever you need, man, however much you finna charge us, whatever, whatever we got it, we finna take care of it. He like, I don't want no money. That's hard. Just look out. You know, he said, matter of fact, his exact words was, I appreciate you for doing what you're doing. These young kids don't know about me. You put me back in the light in their eyes. That's hard. I say, bet. So we set up the video. We pay for his ticket, him and his son, both of his sons. We pay for they playing tickets, play for their hotels, you know, food, all this shit. Okay. So once you get the ticket, or once y'all get the ticket, did you fly him first class, or you put him in regular seats, nigga? Oh, yeah. We definitely put him first class. I had to. Then he ain't used to going no other way. And he didn't charge us nothing. Real talk. That's hard. Cause we'll see nigga charge in a day. You can't even do nothing for free. You can't do nothing for free. These niggas is really not trying to help nobody. It was our love. So we had to look out. We flew him and the boy, you know, flew them down, put them in a nice, great hotel. And we went to work. But it was so, my other thing was, my mama was more happy to see him than me. I had, mama stop, hey, calm down. She's fanning out. Yeah. Fanning out. That's what little Snoop mama told me the other night. She was like, yeah. When he said he was up there with me, they mentioned Tia, she forgot all about me. You know what I'm talking about? Oh, shit. Nigga Tia, boy, that's your damn daddy. Huh? So what did she say when she first seen Duggan, man? She was trying to take pictures. And you know, and at this time, I had already, I had already built a little name within the city. I had the number one song on K-104 and 979. So they were playing your music. Yeah. So that was giving me free tickets. I'm giving them to her. She in backstage at the Jagged Edge concert. She meet, not leave people. She didn't react like this to none of these people, but Duggan first. I said, hey, man, get over here. Hey, you stand over here, man. Hey, y'all, I got the homie in there. Hey, man, make sure she over here with y'all, man. So how did y'all stage it? Y'all told him, man, just however you want to do it. You can't tell to God, right? Yeah, yeah. Whatever you want to do, dance, whatever, do whatever. Whatever you want to do, however you do it. And he was like, because we put the little homie, man, R.I.P. Baby D. R.I.P. Baby D, man. Yeah, the little homie, we put him on top of the car and had him up there dancing. And Duggan was like, I get up there with him. And I was like, bitch. So, shit, go ahead, you know what I'm saying? He got on top of the car and he did his dance, too, with Baby D. That's hard. Baby D now passed away. Yes, yes, yes, man. That's hard. He got to do something. Yes, yes. That was the even cat that got shot in the head in Deep Ella, man. Wow. Man, so, yeah, it's a lot of our boys going on way, going on past. We all got to get out of here one day. God is the art and finish of my fate. So just gonna keep it there. But so once y'all get him down here, what else did y'all do? Did you take him out that night or anything? Or did he go, I see he older at this time, too, now? Yes. But did he want to go hang out anywhere? No, because after Big T, we went and shot the scene at Rhythm City. Okay, okay. And the scene from Rhythm City just ended out the night because the club, we shot during the day, but the club actually opened that night when we got through shooting. Okay. And we already had that motherfucker pat. Yeah, see, I was just chilling. So we just let them open the doors, get whatever amount of people they could, a few people that they could get in from what we already had in there, and we just kept on speaking. So when y'all go out, y'all send him back out, back home, the song's done, the video come out, does the communication stop at that point? No, no. You and him still are starting, still keep. He, we link up, we do the Battle of the Bans tour. Okay. Yeah, me, him, Boosie. That's hard. Soldier boy and pleases. This young Boosie. Yeah, yeah. This before jail, Boosie. Yeah, this before jail, Boosie. How was it before jail, Boosie, on this tour? Live, why? Live as hell, live, why? He always was live. He still live. I seen it on that pigeon movies in Vegas. He ain't, he's still Boosie. So how was it like, like did y'all talk and hang out during that time? Or you just see him, why even doing it? You and Boosie. Oh no, we kicked it tough. Oh, we kicked it tough. I like that. That's how I got jammed up in Bam Rouge. Dang y'all. I was at his house. Coming from his house. Well, trying to go. I was leaving, leaving my hotel. We had a show at Gremlin that day. So I was leaving my hotel to go to his crib. He was having a party that night and I never made it. Dang y'all. They rolled my ass on 10, took me to East Bam Rouge prison. How long you up staying? I had to stay there a month. Dang y'all. After muscle because they said I was a flight risk. And you had my doggie? Yeah, and busted open. Busted open was just, it was circulating within the radio unit. What little Spain said when you locked up like that? Shit, they was trying to get me home. They been trying to help you to come home. They was trying to get me. They got locked up. They got locked up, man. They was trying to get me to come home. So they was doing little things that they could do, you know, show here, show there, whatever, whatever. But it just was nothing that could give me home because at the time I had the money. Yeah. It was, they just told me I was a flight risk. So I ended up sitting there a month and they finally told me like, well, if you pay a cash bond, we're gonna release you. So I paid the $20,000 cash bond and ended up going to court there for maybe what a year and a half. I have to fly from here, fly the band rules, go to court and shit. Do you think they knew you, since you was known rapidly trying to hold it? Of course. When they wrote, they wrote our three cars. And the only thing they said was, which one are y'all the wheel? What? They wrote our three cars. Man, Spain was with me. That's what I was wondering. Cause I'm like, y'all didn't move together? Yes, Spain was with me. They were there. They pulled over all three of our cars. Get him. They just wanted me. That was like, which one are y'all the wheel? Okay, come on. They him. And, you know, this the state of Texas, man. So we ain't riding dumb. All the guns we have is registered to a person that's within the vicinity. You know what I'm saying? Like, are y'all in bad moods at that time? Yeah, we was in bad moods. So they ain't going for it. Exactly. That's what I tell them. And they tell me, we make our own laws out of her boy. Yeah. So what was the charges? They put me in the back seat. Possession of a firearm. Even all of them were all registered? Yeah. There was all registered in other people's names. Other people, it was other people guns. And they were there? Yeah, they were there, right there. So how did you end up getting it throughout? No. They ended up, they ended up banning me from Baton Rouge until 2019. And they kept my $20,000. Hold on. So the lawyer that you had, did you get a lawyer from down there or you got a lawyer from here? Yeah, I had to. You know that? Yeah. So you screwed regardless. Yeah, I was. They don't play them games down there. Yeah, they knew what they were doing. He lucky he didn't go to prison. That part. Once they told me I wasn't going to prison, I really didn't come. You weren't? Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't keep the money and I never have to come back here. So was they able to put a felony on you or anything? They just basically told you they don't come back? Nah, they just basically, yeah, don't come back. Basically. They wanted that money. Yeah. That was the whole game. Yep. They wanted the money. And that's the way the game go. Yep. So I think over the whole case, it probably cost me like $30,000. Yeah. The look and the team giving it to the lawyer. Yeah. About $30,000. They wanted the money. The funny thing is that what I think about when you say all of that is that I see a lot of these young kids, they want to be you. They want to be popular. They want to be celebrities. But being a black kid and being a celebrity, it also puts a target on you. A target on you, yes. You know what I mean? And people don't realize that all of that comes with- Yes. You're definitely a target. The price. And the crazy part is, see with us, we become not just a target to them, we become a target to our own people too. Right. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Because we look in the park, we look in good, we driving, you know, driving ice cars, and you know what we're doing out of this, and we looking like a lick. Not knowing that the same white boy, probably my age, the watch on his wrist is worth more than everything I got on. Right. We just don't know that. Wow. But then you knowing all of this now, if your kids came to you and say they want to be a rapper, they want to come in the game, how would you advise them? I would advise them to take the scenic route, take the J. Coles and the Kendricks, you know, take that route. Because once you get involved and become a, you know, this fame is addicting. So once you become addicted to all of this and want all of the jewelry and all of this and all that, you make yourself a target for everybody. Not only in our eyes, but also in the police eyes, because they look at us different. If I show up like this compared to showing up in the suit and tie, I'm looking different. I gotta ask you about that. I gotta go back into it. You was at the concert. I mean, you was doing the tour with Dougie Fresh. And did it end with that? Or this, y'all got to do the whole tour? Yeah, no, we did the whole tour. Cool. Yeah, we did that whole Bad Little Bands tour. The last time you talked to Dougie Fresh? It's been some years now. Now? Yeah, it's been some years. The last time I talked to him, we was in New Orleans together. Yeah. At the Harris Casino. Gotta reach out to Dougie Fresh. Yes, that's it. Y'all got something different going on that most people could ever have together. You got to be a part of his legacy. You perform that song all the time, right? Yes. When you perform it, the Spain Dance too? Yes. So y'all be together all the time still even today? Yes, now that he back home, we're right back at it. I wanna talk about when you changed. Cause it came out on the show. You gonna have to tell me about this. You got to act him real different because like you said, Wally God, just heard you say it, fame changes things. Yeah. It make you hungry for it. What was the deal that made you kinda, how did you and Spain even get sideways enough to even, because really when you look at your deal and what happened in Dallas, do you feel like, and I'm gonna get back to the Spain, but do you feel like you doing and have done what that's supposed to done for your career? No. Why did it not? I feel like it's a lot more because see, a lot of people don't know the intertwines of our deal. It was a clause that ended up, that we thought at the time was good, but it really ended up fucking us. Really? Yes. We had a clause in our contract to work. Who put the clause in our debt? We did. What was the big label? We, Assalem Warner Brothers. Assalem Warner Brothers. Yes. And you didn't see the clause when you first signed it? No, we did. We did. They put the clause in there. Listen, and this was the clause that they cannot open the books without all of us being present because me and Rue started Rue Boy, the label. So without me, Rue Boy, and they A&R, they cannot disclose the books. All three of us had to be present. So it fucked us because by them going to jail for that long time, they can't be present. So they don't have to tell me shit until Rue present. Even if it's over the phone, you could have made a call? No. They had to be physically there. So here we go. So you guys, where did the schism come? Where did the split come between you and Spank of Spain? Say you started acting different. Yes. And it wasn't, I'm not even gonna deny that. I did, but we was on drugs a lot back then. Okay. And we was reckless. And I just actually, my changing came from actually seeing it. I seen the crash coming. I seen the 12, 15 years, you know, the brothers did 12 years, I seen it coming. How did you see it? They was acting, they were more aggressive toward doing things that will crash you out. Yes. And that's the part that you see. Yeah, yes. That's what I seen. And it wasn't just they, it was us. Because I was a part of that shit a lot of time. Well, how did you pull up? Because you acting different. Yes, I acted. I started to- You knew that you didn't want to, you wasn't trying to go to prison. Exactly, man. I started to change my ways. At the time, all that shit was going on, I still was fighting the case in Bam Rouge. They was on Boosie's ass trying to, and all of us on the solemn now, they was on Boosie's ass trying to lock him up. They just got Gucci, he on the solemn too. You know, I'm seeing it, I was seeing it. And then there was certain situations that was going on with us, while we on the road to where, man, it ain't going to be too many times like this. Sometimes, one of these times somebody going to get hurt and he's going to be one of us, or I actually, no, I didn't. No, because he got to stay hard. Because when they say you acting funny, they didn't know what you're thinking. If you had just even just said that, you know, they would- I don't think it would have changed anything. You don't think so? He'd have been looked at as maybe one that was trying to go against him. Yeah, I don't think it would have changed. So when you went, what was the first thing to where you had the disagreement where y'all knew we not agreeing with each other? That was in, I believe, like St. Louis, man. With something had happened, and I can't even remember what the fuck happened, bro, because we, I was popping balls, sipping syrup, smoking a lot of weed. Something happened to where me and Rue had words, and I was like, man, you know what, this shit is our bed. And then we, I remember this one, we was in St. Louis, and we getting ready to go in the club. So Nelly and Murphy Leedon invited us to the club. Murphy Leedon did a verse, I'm gonna bust it open. They're like, come and fuck with us. I'm like, bitch. We going to the club, we get there, the promoters like, man, look, y'all good, everybody y'all we good, cause man, we probably 15, 20 niggas deep. You know what I'm saying? Y'all y'all good, just no guns in our club, bitch. Some of us put our guns up, some of us didn't. So we going through the club, getting searched and shit. One of the homies come through the door and drop a pistol right in front of them. Blu, blu, blu, blu, pistol fall on the ground. Behind him, as the other one getting searched, they put a long ass clip out of his pants. Like, ah, nah, so we having those problems. And it wasn't getting addressed, and you're like, I don't want to look like this. We have a, we shoot down to Galveston, I believe, have a show down there. And one of the homies then did some shit. And the goddamn marshals end up popping up to the show with a goddamn mug shot of rude. And they flashing them to everybody out there looking for rude over some shit. One of the other homies then did. Wow. So, you know, my thought process is like, man, this ain't gone. It's going to just be bad. Yeah, it's going to be bad. It's going to be bad. So when you, and you giving me your spiel on it, but I'm just trying to figure out like when this happened, they go, they end up getting into some trouble with this soldier boy. Somebody connected to the soldier boy. They told me on the show. Yeah. I don't know what that was. I'm trying to, we about to start releasing those. I wanted to interview you. I told you that I want to, because it's going to make sense for me when I do it together. I'll just be on some whole different level. I'm going to make a jive. You're, so just the story is dope. And it's our history. You know what I'm saying? When y'all basically, once they get into it with this soldier boy situation, whoever this guy was, what was his name? It started with H. Hood. Hood. Yeah. When they get into a hood, where were you at in that situation? I was, see me and them had already kind of like party ways. Like I was, I was doing my own thing. But you knew hood. Yes. But you didn't fool with hood. I did. We was, I kind of, he still was the homie. Like, but I kind of, I always handle him at a distance. You didn't know that he was like that? Yeah. I didn't know him like that. And plus I had problems with his people. In a way. Before the end. Yeah. Before he ever had camera around us. So I kind of, I always. Didn't trust that. Yeah. And tread like, you know, I tread at light with the situation. So when that happened, I was somewhat, somewhat in the middle. Because you know, I still was talking to the niggas shit. You know, a city nigga around with the whoop. But we just wouldn't hang in this shit. You know, yeah, yeah. So it wouldn't know none of that. Like, you wouldn't even get a cup of tea. Yeah. So when, when that situation really did come about, I was, I kind of just backed up, washed my hands with the whole situation. Like, I want no, I want no parts of none of this shit. Had the books already been to where you couldn't get into a certain situation because y'all had to be present and y'all was so disconnected that y'all couldn't come together while they were out on the ground. No, no, because at that time we still wouldn't, we wouldn't, we wouldn't askin' about them then. We wouldn't concern with them. I still was, well, I was just concerned with them. I still was doin' a lot of shows. I just was about to shoot the busted open video. What was the show was payin' back then? You gotta give me some prizes on some. Back then I was gettin' like anywhere from nine to 15 grand a show. That's hard. That's hard today. Yeah. That was good money. You were blowin' it like hell. Oh yeah. Yeah, you were blowin' that money. Oh yeah. You were kickin' it. Yeah. What would you do with that? You would straight on into the strip club or somethin'. Yeah. Kickin' it. You would like go give me a jug of drink. Jug of drink? Yeah, some of that activist. Yeah, go give me a whole jug. But how was the label deal during that time? Right? Like were they payin' you money as well? Uh, no. They wouldn't payin' until I actually asked. I had to like fly to New York, asked them like, man look, this happened. You had to go ask them for the money? Yeah, I'm like, man look, I didn't did this, did that. I ain't seen nothin', and they cut a check. Boom, here. I'm gonna say give you. Like 40 bands. But they were holdin' on the brand, using money for all for your situation? I'll say yes. Can you was really not educated enough to understand what the hell was goin' on with music? I didn't know anything at the time. Well, I mean, was this deal also with Spain? Them? Could they get a check at that time? Uh, the rule did. Like, they signed Roo Boy Entertainment as a subsidiary to Asylum and Warner. Okay. So, yes. He could get a check as well. So when it came down, yeah, so when it was bumped down, it'll go Warner Brothers to Asylum, to us, which is Roo, and then, you know, me. Wow, that's hard. That's hard. So when y'all, and when all this was goin' on, that had to be a difficult situation because a lot of time, like Sean Cotton say, you don't know nobody until they get money. Yeah. I'm being real. That's what he said on here. I was like, damn, that makes sense. Cause a nigga gonna be this way, but when the money come... Yeah, it change it. Change things. Yes. Situations now, niggas startin' to act different. Everybody kinda actin' different. You got a reaction. Everybody amplifying who they are in this situation with the money. Exactly. Right? Exactly. So, as you... OK, and that's good stuff, man. I'm just, I'm enjoying this. Yeah. It was excellent. So y'all kickin' it, though. I'm glad you gettin' money, though. Yeah, we gettin' a lot of money, and we be kickin' it. But at the same time, we got vultures around us. There's a lot of laws and laws that's trippin'. Yeah, we got laws, vultures, snakes, all that shit around us. You know, we got... It's a nigga over here in my ear. Man, you know Roo, man, really little. It's a nigga in nature. Man, you know, Lil Will's supposed to be blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, be good. And, you know, it's playin' on both ends. It's makin' everybody disconnect. Yeah, it's makin' everybody... But in our actuality, we the only two motherfuckers, we the only motherfuckers getting, you know, me, Roo, Spank, we the ones who really, at this table, eatin' a part of this cake, we just shirin' it with the extra niggas around us. They didn't even... All these miscellaneous, they don't have to be. Wow, man, that's hard, man. But do you see that happenin' like with the people today as they go through their deals and change? It's the same old two-step. Yes, same old thing. It ain't changed. Same old thing, man. It never, it never, you know? And that's why it's good to have, you know, great, great people around you, people who actually have a mind, you know, a thought process to save you from situations and things like that, you know? If you had to do all of it again, what would you do different? I would do nothin' different. It all be the same. It all be the same, man. Cause that's just kinda the way the cookie crumb. That's the way the hatch fall. Everything happens for a reason. Wow, that's hard, and I like it, though. I like it because you understand that's self-awareness. That's all I'm doin', I'm takin' in the self-awareness right there. Yeah, that's it. Man, so top three artists of all time did or live. Number one, top three artists did or live. Number one. Any genre. Any genre, too. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Number one. My number one would be Pop. Two Pop. Yes. Shout out to that boy, Pop. Very, very influential cat. Number two. Number two, Rick James. Come on, man. Rick James, man. You know him by cold blooded. You know cold blooded. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. You hear that do-do-do-do-boop-boop-boop-boop-boop-boop-boop. What's your favorite song with Rick James? Fire and Desire. Man. And listen. And see, a lot of people don't know this. I actually smoked a blunt with Tina Marie. You did? Yes. Yes. That's a whole lot. I smoked a blunt with Tina Marie. Tell me how you ended up smoking a blunt. We got to tell that story. She had just signed the cash money. Yeah, I remember that. I remember that. She had just signed the cash money. And somehow, me and her had a show together in Houston. OK. So I'm out at the pool and shit. And I'm smoking. And she was already out there, laid out, I guess, tanning. And she kind of sit up. And was like, hey, can I get there with you? And I'm like, shit bad. Hell yeah. So I get with a blunt. Did you know about Tina Marie? Didn't know. Didn't know. She had on sunglasses and shit with a hat. So we sitting there smoking. We talking. She telling me, yeah, I got this show later. I'm still ain't putting this shit together. So we finished the blunt. She was like, OK, well, I'm going to my room. And when she turned around, I see the big ass tattoo on her back with the Rick James inside of it. And I say, motherfucker, that's Tina Marie. Hey. I stop her. Hey, hey, come on, take a picture with me. The homie, I get a homie to. So you got a picture? Yeah, I get a homie to my phone and shit. And he take a picture of us, man. And I think that was maybe a year or two before she died. What a picture, bro. I still have it. Send that picture to me right now. I got it. I got it. Bro, you got to send that to me. That's hard. I ain't going to lie, man. That's hard. Oh, yeah, I got to. And that's hard, that history. That's the culture. That's why I love it so much because that's who we are. And we may not never get that moment back. Another one like that. That's priceless. But I always tell people, I say, when you're around people and it's not even just anybody who's a celebrity or whatever, but it's anybody at all. Try to get some jewels from them. You know, try to talk so that you can learn something from that person because everybody have their own experiences that they've been through. And you can learn from other people. Yes. Did you ever meet Lil Wayne, a bird man, any of those guys? Yes. Where did you meet him at? In Houston, through jazz. OK, man. And I didn't even ask you about something, but I'm going to ask you about that. How did that end up happening? Jazz set up to play at the time. I think my dog, it was like the fucking number. I think I was like in the top 10 at the time. And Wayne was stupid buzzing with the lollipop jam. And it was my album release. It was Bunn birthday party and he had Wayne performing. Well, me and Wayne performing. So we did a Bunn's birthday party. And he had you and Wayne performing at it. Me and Lil Wayne performing at it. And I flew out there and that's how I met them boys. Back stage and shit. What them boys talking about? Back then. Back then, it was shit. They was proud. I'm proud of you. Stay at it. You know, they, through junior, they found out I was from New Orleans. So that was a lot of love, too. That's hard. So that's hard, man. Now we got to talk about this. Hold on before we jump into that. Who's your number three? My number three, yes. Sorry about that. C.L.O. Green. C.L.O. Green. Why? That nigga's saying. Because, I mean, yeah, he could sing, but he's a hell of a rapper. That's our first C.L.O. Green. He a hell of a rapper, too. He's a hell of a rapper, man. Like, if you pay attention to his Goodie Mob days, hard. He was one of the hardest. Hard. Coming out of Goodie Mob and the dude is smart. Dude's smart as hell. Like, think about it. He got down, had this major career as C.L.O. Green, and then he transformed himself to fucking Norris Barkley. And nobody ever knows this shit for years. Nobody knew he was Norris Barkley. That's hard. And he went on for making country music and all sorts of shit under this alias that no one knew that he was a black man. I think that's cool. That's fucking, that's crazy. That is insane. You know what I'm saying? And I can't do number three, then. Till they miss me. Yeah. I want to ask you, this here is the one I couldn't let you get out here without asking you this. This is one of the things that irked the hell out of me. Callie Swag District. Oh, yeah. When this happened, I was like, what the hell just happened? It was like they snatched the breath out of what we had done here and articulated in the Dallas area. Yeah. How did you feel about, teach me how to dougie? Everybody loved it. See, at the time, I was out for it. OK. And people thought about it. Where would you at when you heard about it? Did they call you first? They called me. And as you could, they do it. Yes. That's all. They called me. They asked me to come down there, be in the video. All this shit. But in my thought process was shit, out of love, dougie fresh showed me when I did my shit. Gonna pay it forward. Gonna pay it forward. So I'm like, bet. So they reach out to me. Yeah, OK, we're going to do the splits. We'll buy a list. Come be in the video. They fly me to LA. Put me in a room in Hollywood. Not this shit. I got a little scene in the video. I was like, that's good. They go to doing interviews now. Because now it's getting up there. And they go to tell them motherfuckers that they don't know where the dougie dance came from. Oh, they switched it up. Yeah, switched it up fast. Shit pissed me off. I call a OGs because I don't want to talk to them. Y'all ain't calling no call. Y'all ain't doing nothing. I call it the big homers. Fuck wrong child, man. Like, yeah, we really, uh, man, you know how the thing, you know how this gang go, man, miss me with that bullshit. You motherfuckers, Kyle. My life could have said no and made it a legal action with you niggas. I passed you niggas the ball. And now y'all don't know where it came from. Staying them locked up at the time. Yes, they was locked up at the time. Yeah. I bet they tripping off of it. Yes, yes. They tripping off of it. They don't understand what the hell to them. What the hell is going on out there? He doesn't let them take the song. I can just hear niggas because when you locked up, all kinds of stuff come to your mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you get a letter from them niggas? Or did they get word to you? Niggas can get word to you, nigga? It's called me, rude and spanky. What they say? Man, what's going on with that Kelly shit? I'm like, shit, I got it. And, you know, it ended up taking, we ended up having to take legal actions. Did y'all end up getting what you needed to get out of? Yeah, man, we got out. They had to take care of it. Yeah, we got our just do, man. All of us, me, spanky and rude. That's hard. I like it. Now, I say, I didn't know that. Yeah, man, that's the good part of the story. They tried to pull some old sleek shit, man. See, them niggas and Kelly and up and off and shit, they be thinking, we slow down here in the sun. So they'll try to pull a quick one. Not really knowing it. We just talking, act like this. We really quick thinkers like y'all. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? I've been doing up there for a long time, but I'm fly. I didn't see through everything. They think they're real cool and sleek, man. We with that same shit. All day. We just talk a little different. Very different. Yeah. And, you know, that's kind of where it went. So did you did? Okay. So, and I went up there. I was going to interview them, but one of them, two of them passed away. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. Two of them died. One from sickle sale. The other one got shot. Wow. See how. And so it's a group. Is that group ain't even no more in a group? No more. It's the amount of this over with. It was three of them, wasn't it? Yeah. And maybe it was a little run. I mean, uh, little Romeo didn't have nothing to do with them, boy. It was just them. It was just, I mean, why was we talking this one? I think it was just three of them boys. One was dark and the other one, it was just three of them. Yeah, it was three of them. Man, and then only one of them still living. Yeah. That's crazy. Because I went up there to interview them boys. Because I was like, damn, really? I almost had the one. I'm probably still going to get there. I'm going to try to find that one. Yeah. I'll be trying to figure these stories out and try to make sure we paint this picture for our culture. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yes, sir. Which is hard. Um, I think that's it, man. Uh, shoot, man. Like I said, did we forget anything? Sin City podcast. Shout out to your podcast. Yes, yes, the Sin City podcast, man. We poppin' every Tuesday we live stream. That's hard. Yes, yes. And that's just another thing we doing for the city, man. You know, because I've been always all over the city, man. Mm-hmm. You know, working with everybody. So that's one of the motives I'm on right now, man, trying to unite the city. Because when you got vultures out here, man, councils to this thing, to our culture and this game that we in, man, you got to have somebody looking out. Wow. Man, I want to tell you thank you so much for coming on Boss Talk 101. We love you, bro. Yes, sir. I see your kids, man. Yes, sir. I see you a family, man. Yes, sir. What's this new, you got new music out, too. I forgot you done changed some stuff up now. Let's talk about that, because I don't want, you got niggas, you, did I seen the video, nigga? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, what's going on with that? Yeah, man, you know. You done switched it up? Yeah, you know, I'm a real one record, man. You want to just add to the legacy? Yes, yes, yes. I'm a, you know, I just started a real one record. I got the VBS media company, where we got the studios and our dollars. We got actual media rooms, god damn, barbershop inside of their house. So, you know, man, we working. You know, I'm still a Roolboy, though. Hey. You know, I get it twisted, man. It's still Rally Rool, you know what I'm saying? Rally Boy, Roolboy, shit. You know, all day, every day, they're my brothers. I love them. Yeah. I don't always be like that. Good guys, man. You know, we cut up when they first met me. They tried to say I went off on them, but, you know, we went off on each other. Just some real niggas going to do that. It was like, nah, nigga, them niggas tripping, nah. But you know, but at the end of the day, we didn't know each other. It's a thing where you're going to be like, man, whatever, whatever. And my son had linked us together. I'll never forget it. By love, Spain, just as humble, man. I'm like, Spain, I ain't saying Rool, ain't Rool going to get his point across. He's passionate and aggressively passionate. Spain, real humble, laid back, love this dude, man. I'm going over there to the chicken house too. Probably the day, I don't know. I might pull up the day, yeah, that's my boy. He been there, I had been over there in a long time now. Well, I said about two or three months. Oh, shit, you better call him. He better be alive, that's it. He better call him, tell him to bring you something out the back. All right, man. Well, thank you, man. How can people get a hold of you if they're trying to link with me? Ah, man, luwild.com, L-I-L-W-I-L.com, that'll link you to all my social sites, everything you need to see that's going on with me, man. Last question, man, where would you get that when you found out about Boss Talk 101 where the bosses talk, nigga, where we pulled up in this hole like a bomb was going to blow? Man, hold on, hold on. Because I meant to say something about this earlier. I was sitting at my house and somebody sent me a clip saying, you seen what that nigga, Ryan, said about you? And I said, oh, OK, yeah, I got a highlight by the top. What do you say? That me and young black try to take some money from him in Hawaii or something like that. Oh, yeah, everybody. Come on, man, that's a total lie, man. What happened with Ryan? So you went to Hawaii? Yeah, come on, man. What happened, man? Man, that rainwater's a goddamn lie, man. So what? Look, this was my thing, Ryan. If we tried to take some money from you, what would we feel to do? Rob you. That's what you're saying we were doing. You're saying we were trying to rob you, right? You say me and your black try to rob you. Come on, man, make this shit make sense. He don't want to give us our back end. OK. So I went to his room, ruffled him up, and went through his shit and found out money that he hid in the trash can. Tell the truth, Ryan. Tell the truth, Ryan. I call young black. Matter of fact, I don't even need to spit out the facts. Young black will match everything I'm saying. I need to get him on the show anyway. Yes, I'll link you with young black. OK. Young Nick was out of the world with us. DJ Mr. Rogers. How much did y'all get on that trip, man? Because y'all made some money. Man, I think he tore the broke down, then he tore the break down. Yeah, did Rain do the same thing to all of them, or just you? He had all our money. So, and all of y'all went over there. You just took your part? I just took my part. I took my part. How did you know your part? Well, look, we all took more than what it was. Listen to me. We already was sick. We already had contracts and everything. We was already sick. He gave him my front end. So I knew exactly how much my back end was to be. So I took my back end, gave young black his back end, and gave him the rest of the money to get to the rest of the cash. Like I told you, bro, I'm out of my unity. You got this part, too. I'm out of that big part. What it made show y'all got, Joe? Yeah, what the hell? We done been in Hawaii seven, eight hours. Why you still holding our money? It was our money. Did the rest of them get their money? I hope so. I mean, I rock with the party boys. I rock with, you know, Be Help. So I'm more than sure they got their money, but I went up there and initiated it. I tell you that much. So you don't think that Rain was going to pay y'all to you? No. How do you know? No, because he's done it before. He actually, he didn't book shows, not talking to me. I didn't know me at the time. They book shows in my name. I know it for a fact. He was going to try to scam us. Something was going to happen to where, oh man, the people didn't pay. And for one, if you had plans on paying us, why the hell is the money in the trash can under the trash bag? How did you do a look at the trash can under the trash bag? I'm just in there throwing it. He's throwing everything under the trash. Yeah, I'm going to everything. So when I grab the motherfuckers, extra heavy, the fuck, it's two, three little pieces of trash in here. This motherfucker heavy as hell. I take the bag, got the money in there. Damn. Come on, man. If you had any intentions on doing anything right, why would you stash that money like that? So y'all didn't beat him up? No. No. Because some people would have been mad and teach him a lesson. Nah, what was the purpose? He was dry, he was dry. He was dry. He was dry. I just wanted me. That wasn't a problem. I ain't no damn villain. But you got your bread. Yeah, I just wanted me. I wasn't why after that. I ain't never been to a why. I think we need to go back. After that, it was good. You were kicking it. You ain't got your little drape with your little straw in it. Kicking it. Man, we actually did some work out there. Me and Young Black did a feature with this cat out there. Really? Yeah. He was on G's The Jints. Man, I forgot her name. But he ended up doing a song with me and Black. We did a feature. Shit, man, it was so lovely. Me and Black stayed out there extra week looking for houses and shit. Shit's hard, man. Man, thank you, man. These stories get better and better. You know, Boston got this reputation for everybody always be thinking like, damn, man, why this happen? Because I let people, like I told you, and like I'm about to drop a little spain, it's like, man, I got to make sure that both sides of these stories coming out at the same time. So I didn't know that. If I knew it, I'd have been calling you. Yeah. Because I'm thrown. You know what I'm saying? Who's that? What the hell are you doing about it? Nigga there done lied on us like that, man. Come on, man. Man, that's funny, man. Because at the end of the day, it'd be stories like that that people don't know. But then you've heard now. What's the name? Mr. Hittad had a different take on it, you know? Yeah. He felt like Rain did some good stuff for the city, for these people. Do you think he felt like he did some good stuff? He was out there with us. Yeah, he was out there. I mean, I'm not, I can't take it from you. Actually, it was a good look. It was good. You don't want to set up the city. Yeah, you see, set up the play. It was good for the city. But you try to burn. You got to, yeah. Don't try to burn us on the back end, man. And then the little chick out there told me I was out there buying pussy. Don't, man, I, boy, say, I'll expose it all. That one thing, yeah. Damn, I'm a white chick. Yeah, Lil' Will know them actual facts. It was that why you need to be trying to keep me out the way, bro. Because you know what we're doing. Because I know what really go on. I know how it really go down around you. I know I'm big. If that was the case, he wouldn't have called your name. If that was the case, like, if he was trying to keep you out of it and not really just get you involved, he wouldn't have called your name. He had to go and shoot out that lie. He had to go and shoot that lie. He had to. Man, I just love the fact that y'all, man, y'all got such a deep legacy in the city, man. Who, uh, dance was the hardest, man? Mr. Hit That's or My Duggy? Of course My Duggy. He gon' say My Duggy. Yeah, of course. I'll be cutting off, man. Of course. But you love that, you love the hit that, didn't you? Yeah, yeah, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, Prince Rick Trilliet, I'm the fam. Fuck, we hit that the long way. But everybody know, everybody know that Hit That was bit off of Duggy, man. What? Come on. Come on, man. Tell the truth, man, let's tell the truth. Our whole M.O., them boys ran out, they ran out for a blueprint we made. It was right after. A blueprint we made. We made that blueprint. I'm the rapper, Spain gon' stand over here and dance. Prince and Trilliet, the rappers hit that, gon' stand over here and dance. That's our blueprint. Damn. Come on, we did that shit two years before they ever made Hit That. My Duggy was in pro, it was soaring two years before Hit That was ever created. Wow. And the same goddamn cadence. Call me Mr. Ethel, call me Mr. Ethel, call me Mr. Walk Up On The Sit, Stepping with a sway clue, gotta draw older so you know what blew bass. Come on, man, I do this shit, man. The motherfucking cadence and everything, man. My Duggy's gon' always be better cause we started this shit. Wow, man, I never seen that coming cause I thought y'all basically just, I felt like it came after and it may have influenced it, but you feel like it just totally just bit. It's actual factual, let's tell the truth. And nobody else did it before y'all did it in... Not like that. Not like that. Not like that. Now, see before, and that's one thing, I always tell the truth about that Lil' Joe had a arm of duties and watched me do that. Watch me do this and I'm gonna do it whole. You know what I'm sayin'? That hoe went hard on the beach, but he, you know, and that was before me. Burn them, trap stores clean. Yeah. Gitty bitch. Yeah. Gitty bitch, that hoe before me too, but ain't none of them do it like me. Yeah, that hoe. You know what I'm sayin'? And you didn't bite nothin' off of them. And I didn't bite nothin' off of nothin' that they did. I just wanna make sure because you know that whenever this goes out, somebody gon' say, man, we did it first, we did it first, this, this, this. They can't. So I gotta ask. Look, I don't gotta, everybody like going to Google, they can go to Google and check the actual factures, man. Man, man, thank you so much. This is how I enjoy this interview, man. You funny as hell, man. This is the truth. No, I just like, I like to see the culture and just the pizzazz, so people can understand what Dallas done. And I'm looking at the foundational build of the culture sitting right here on Bones Talk 101. When you look at this and you go back, you can really get a chance to see what really happened and the way to where you can enjoy yourself, listening to it. Maybe learn some about the music industry as well. We've heard these stories time after time on how people deals kinda went crazy because they were uneducated about it, all kinda stuff. So I just thank you for coming on and giving your spiel, man. Oh yeah, man, I appreciate your job, man. We love you, man. We love you to death, man. And to life. Yes. Hey, man, it's been another great segment of Bones Talk 101, what a boss has talked. And we out.