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I just wait and it's I know it's over with Santa Cruz area over there that I Try to tell her crack down certain turn the ways up on you gotta use the way I know it's like annoying when you're going somewhere You already know but like I put it on always now. Do you remember the days of the radar detectors? Yeah, that's still all around. I had one of my car Cobra really I remember the cobra one you had a cobra or the actual the see stuck it on your dash You stick it on your dash and it picks up x radar and some other ones, right? Just scramble the signal is illegal Scrambler is illegal But the one I had picks up signals But the problem is is every motion sensor detected door in grocery stores every whatever sets it off Oh, really? Yeah, because they use that kind of right. Oh, that's annoying. Yeah, so you drive by a grocery. It's like bb bb bb You turn off and then the problem is that police they for a long time now they've been doing this But right when these radars became popular as radar detectors They started using the when they would test your speed The old ones used to fire a continual signal that you could pick up But then they got the ones where they pushed the button and then that's the only time you could pick it up So by the time you go bb here already got you Oh, I thought I would read it over like so I mean, I thought you could get pick up on it if you're shooting someone else. Yeah way ahead Maybe I think you can't did it ever save you from tickets. Did you ever see it and go? So smoky, you know, I I had one, but I didn't have a very good one, dude I had one when I was a kid and I don't even remember the brand it wasn't the brand you were talking about Which I know was it viper is did viper make one or they just so I had cold Those security company you put the like the low jack. Yeah, I thought they also did the the the the radar detectors Maybe yeah could have mine was it mine. I don't know. It was hard to tell if mine ever really saved me or helped me Waze is incredible. Waze has saved me already. Oh, yeah is a whole another level Yeah, because they're literally telling you they give you they give you a half a mile before you even get to the Well, you could actually technically see where he is at miles ahead Like I can see it on the map and then it alerts me when I'm a half a mile away And accidents are pretty accurate like right away. Oh, they're when it comes to like navigation. Yeah I never that saved me remember when like there was a big storm and I was trying to go over 17 And a tree had fallen down and I had like I was maybe I don't know 10 minutes Away from like the actual like tree that had fallen and somebody had put that on there And I was able to navigate around it and make it home. Everybody else was there for like hours Wow Wow, and it's all it's all uh, it's like it's social media, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's all social everybody contributes to people report I actually I like so I'd never use that's when humanity makes they have hope Yeah, and you know, it's cool what I then this I love this is such a great example of like free markets right here Like no one's telling me that I have to contribute, but I feel compelled to be it's already helped me so much Yeah, so like now like if I so I keep it up on my on the tv monitor in the cars, right? And it's really easy like there's a little I don't even know what the icon that you just hit and then it pulls up all the options traffic crash cop Whatever and you just hit it real quick on the tv screen And then just use report and then it automatically uploads and I haven't figured out like ways gives you credit and points I don't know what I can do with that yet. Yeah, is that just that's okay But the more I can contribute the more they give me these points. I don't know I don't know Yeah, you get to go to some casino and you know, I'm sure somebody listening right now who do some way more about ways and uh Then I do will hopefully probably DM me and you could buy a new skin for your face Right, I don't know. I don't know what they do But I mean just because it's helped me so much I Is it so you get points if I'm not mistaken I haven't used in a while you if you say oh there's a cop here And then people see what you said and then they'll say he's there. Yeah, thank you Yes, boom point and if you confirm like so when you go always ask every time you pass either an accident or a cop car You know, they ask you to confirm. Is he still there or not? If you can confirm it or say he's left like you get points for that too speeding tickets are the biggest racket I'm gonna say it right now The biggest racket it's always the end of the month or very beginning of the month You don't want to that's like. Oh my god. We need some revenue. It's pure bullshit. Yeah Here's my here's why someone listening to the all well So I'm like, no you can't speed because then you might hurt someone and you crash job security No, I get like I get that right? Yes going faster is more dangerous. Okay If they really gave a shit every car would have governors. No car would go faster than the speed limit, right? That's all yeah every car would but I could go I buy a piece of shit car goes 100 miles an hour Why is it going 100 miles an hour? Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, because no one will buy it Because you can because you can yeah, absolutely. It goes a speed limit I want to try so do the you guys really quick. This is like a Not again dude. Last time we did this got. Oh, it's it's not gonna be weird. I mean it might be a little bit weird Okay, so remember that yeah, yeah, am I touching you? Apparently this doesn't work So I'm curious to see if it does. I haven't actually tried it. So what you got to do is kind of plug your nose Do it right now I hate my nose. Yeah, right now. It's dry because we're in the air. Okay. Now you have now you have to try and hum No, you can't the air has to come out of nose dude. It's impossible Yeah, there it goes. It's a new thing I learned today. Wow So lame I thought it was gonna go a lot better. You want to you just remind me of some douchey shit from uh from junior high Oh, okay, everybody forgive me. This was the 90s and uh, it was just what we did And do you remember this one right here where you tell a girl? Nobody could touch their elbows behind their back. Remember that. Do you guys do you stupid shit like that? I don't remember that. We did the one where they stick their chest out. Oh my god, bro It was so douchey everybody. It was a thing dude. Everybody did that Gives me shit for my hoop ring in my fucking hip necklace. You're over here making girls. He's holding out Bro, hey, listen, it was like everybody. It was like a joke. Everybody did it was the 90s hiding his old douche And I'm you know, here's totally and here's the deal dude. I have kids I have a daughter if some fucker did that to my daughter He would get drop kicked immediately. Right. I don't care all these kids is 13 I remember that one the the one that we used to do a lot was um the quarter trick, right? Where you would love this one. Yeah, you you'd color the outside of it with like a heavy amount of either just half of it It's a pencil. Yeah pencil you go half you go half or you do the full thing which they didn't they didn't really check that Because you put it on roll this from your can you roll this from from the top of your head down So I would always do half and I show them. Can you do this and nothing was there? Yeah, nothing was there and then you hand it to them and there's I mean it's half there You know where the best pranks come from. Yeah, if they didn't trust you You know the best pranks come from construction workers If you work with construction workers These one of my favorites is this like whenever my dad would have a work site and they'd have a new guy on or whatever They would always say hey, can you lift this bag of cement above your head? You know when the guy comes behind so he goes like this, right razor blades it open. Yeah, so then someone behind him with the Trowels So yeah, that is messed up and you're covered in like you know what that powdered Conversations remind we We I got a bunch of messages because we talk about obviously netflix You know like the number one training show right now netflix is that bad trips. We should watch that today. Oh really? It's all about pranks. Oh, it's like it's a movie and it's all about like all these great pranks that people do Okay, a couple people messaged me and said like we would like it So oh, yeah, we grew up with a ton of pranks man. I mean we carried that into college and everything It's like you just get bored. You can't do it at school anymore though, right? That's like a pulling now, right? Sure I know no some kind of microaggression who knows Yeah, it is right I mean if if a kid were to do some any of these things that we're talking about right now You get that's like suspension. All right. So, you know, it's funny I'm sure I get the bullying. I hated bullies is in fact every fight I ever got into was with a bully And they weren't bullying me. They were bullying other people and I would I hated I couldn't stand it right So there's bullying but then there's like Fucking with each other and pranks and testing each other and I feel like there's that's an important Yeah, but the problem with that coming of age The problem with that is it's a fine line You're right. You have to know that that's that there's a fine find out fine It's a fine line and you're asking Teenage boys to manage that line. Yeah, so that's that's but here's the deal. Here's my argument for that. Okay In life life requires you to have to understand lines to understand how to navigate You learn it as a teenager. What's the worst thing that happened? Oh, do you think don't do anything terrible? What's the worst thing that happened you tease your friend and you realize? Oh, he's one of those that can't handle it. So I'm not going to do anymore, right? Right, you learn that as a kid then you get in the workplace and you have better I guess social skills. Yeah, you know, well not to mention that but I also think that The bully always gets what gets what he deserves anyways. I mean, I don't know about you guys, but Most the guys that I know that we're assholes When we are growing up just they don't make it very well No in adulthood the real world is not kind to they're not kind to that No, they end up terrible One of the number one skills if I could teach anything to my kids, it's how to be to be likeable. Yes And everybody hates a bully and he might he might rule the world from, you know Fourth grade to fuck intent greater some shit Yeah, but after that that you don't get very far The worst is when you know the the person that was being punked by the bully the turns into You know the the same person that they were Fighting growing up, you know, that's that's happens a lot that the power, you know They all of a sudden come into this power and then remember All these old feelings that they had that they hated, you know growing up with and it's like you hate to see that repeat itself Yeah, you do but I mean the testing part with friends is I don't know. I used to always enjoy it Now it definitely can escalate Yeah, um, but it's it's almost always escalates. It's healthy though, man. It's like, you know to an extent I lost I lost a best friend Well, you guys went great. I heard some of the shit you guys Yeah, well, I mean we uh, here here's the the part like there. I don't know. This is why I say it's such a fine line because um a lot of what so with my original like childhood best friends that we go back to elementary school, um, and we all played sports and and played video games and we were extremely Competitive and that's that's what really we were very different came from different walks of life We're always into all the same things, but this is that was the glue in our friendship And we remain competitive our entire into adulthood. Yeah, and when you become an adult I think there there becomes this you start to evaluate the circle of people you hang around And you don't want the friend who's who it thinks it's funny to always put you down That used to put you like in like cut because cut lows and jokes like that But when you become a 27 year old man and you're working hard for your job and you get your first promotion It's not like the friends that you're looking for now are ones that are going to celebrate your wins with you and support you Not the ones that are going to be competitive with you still and try and put you down But here's my point with that you learned Yes, you learn that valuable friends because of that asshole in the group and not just that but you learned the line Because we fuck with each other all the time, but it's not it's it's positive, right? There's definitely a way it could be negative like if it's just constantly getting ragged on you're like, uh I don't really like the energy, you know, it's not that fun or whatever So there's definitely a line, but I think it's an important part of You know being friends, you know, I mean well now I mean, how do you guys because you guys are obviously raising, uh boys right now in this time girls too, right? This isn't this isn't one sex. It's uh bullies and both. Yeah different though a little different I know as you say different conversations in different ways that they do it, right? I mean, uh, have you guys had to deal with that? And do you kind of allow your kids to Be bullied a little bit and absorb that and talk them through it Or do you are they being sheltered so much from that because of the schools? You know the there's no physical my son has not experienced or seen physical Maybe a little bit but not much so it's way different than when I was a kid when I was a kid bullying was Could be very physical, right? Yeah, they don't see that much But I think where he's learning how to navigate that is how my relationship is with him And how he sees my relationship is with my friends So he sees us mess around but he sees that there's a line that we kind of don't cross, right? So he's like that with his friends. I told you guys a story now Are you assuming that or do you guys actually have conversations? We had we had some good conversations Okay, because that's not what I'm like that's that's a I mean because he's learning He's a very smart boy. So maybe he's that perceptive, but I feel like he's smart But but you have to learn this stuff because you go too far. That's what I'm saying I don't know if you would pick up on that. So he'll he'll send me memes and Sometimes the memes are like whoa, dude. This is dark and I'll tell him I'll say hey look, you know me and I find this hilarious I said but be very careful who you joke around with or send these things too because Not everybody's gonna be that way you make sure, you know, it's the right person And you got to be very careful because it could really backfire There's some people that are okay and some people that are not and you need to know that It's and it's it's up to you to discern that that's life Yeah, I mean I've been going through this quite a bit with my oldest because there's just been certain interactions and relationships He's had with different friends or different kids that aren't his friends that he doesn't really like and doesn't like to be around and You know like the the the climate today is like everybody just has to like each other We all have to be friends and I'm like you don't have to be friends with everybody. That's not like something that's realistic But you got to be Cordial and you got to be kind nice and kind of has to come from you Like you you know and like and if you if you don't want to play or you don't want to Do something, you know, you just be very nice and say well, you know, thank you for the offer or whatever But I'm actually going to go over here and play with my friends You know and so he's had to have interactions like that quite a bit with with some kids that annoy the shit out of him and and you know on top of that it's like so Basically like a lot of these conversations that that keep coming up You know with him where where where it's like He's having he's having like interactions with his friends online all the stuff they're rousing each other Like he just got interested in girls and so they're kind of rousing them about girls There's a big difference between rousing and really like being mean spirited about it towards you And so he's he's figuring that out because at first he's like they keep making fun of me You know for having a girlfriend like dude, that's just your friends. That's what happens You know, so it's interesting to see him trying to figure that out So you guys do have conversations right now How have you have you guys been on the other end of catching one of your kids? Potentially bullying somebody else or going too far with their friends and you've had to reign them in No, but I did have a conversation with my daughter because so with girls It's a little bit different You know when I first noticed this by the way when they were really little When they were really well my really dude, okay, so my son it must have been Preschool or kindergarten so he's like four or five right and he's on the he's playing in the playground And I'm just this is my first kid You know I'm watching these kids totally different now as a father And I see the little boys running around and one kid Pushes another kid and the little boy cries or whatever gets up and then you know They come over dust them off and then they're okay and they're playing with her and then I'm watching the girls And some of them are running around but then I noticed like there's these there was these three girls And they were like Huddled and talking and then this other girl came over and they were talking about her She comes over and all three of them Ignored her. Oh, we're not gonna play and they were in kindergarten. Yeah, I was like. Oh my gosh. This is very different Wow, that's early, dude. Yes, crazy. Yes. So my daughter's had situations like that where She'll get in a fight with one of her friends. This is this is the thing too typically Like you don't hear from your boy that he got in a fight with his friend if he did it's a physical fight You don't hear like We got in a big argument It's this big drama and now my other friends are taking sides and this is what happened with my daughter Like I got in a fight with so-so. Well, what happened? Well, she said this I said that then my other friend came Took her side, but then this other girl was on my side. I'm like, oh my gosh. This is really This is really complex like I can't do this. Oh my gosh Talk to your mom. Yeah No, I'm so I'm just telling her I'm like yeah, so I'm like listen be kind Always be the better try to be the better person and my my daughter's very assertive. She can be very very assertive So said also be nice. I said, I know how you can you know, you can assert yourself That's okay. Be strong, but also be nice be kind. So we've had those conversations But it is interesting. Well, yeah again back to this kid that was kind of pestering Ethan quite a bit like it's it's been it's been a battle because He'll go through phases where he wants to be mean, you know back and like like talk trash about him to like So whatever you put out that's mean, you know, just be ready to get that coming right back at you pay the consequence You know, and so that's a conversation We've had to have a few times and I'm like, I understand you're frustrated and I understand that You know, this is this is a hard to deal with like because you have to confront this Uh, but whatever kind of mean spirited energy you put in that direction, you're gonna receive that back You know, this is like the one of the biggest hurdles my my best friend who's the principal says that they have to to deal with Because it's so it's in It's different today Like right if I If I really don't like somebody who's like really like bullying me or making fun of me or something like that Like you had back in the days you had to go like face them or avoid them. It's like those are your options Yeah, either you face it or you avoid it completely where now there was social media and Everybody's owning a cell phone. Like there's lots of ways to attack each other Without having having to really like step up and attack somebody. You know I'm saying like so That's a lot of stuff that happens is people sharing like You know a photo of someone where they doctor it up. That's a big deal, right? So like there's let's say there's a kid you don't like and instead of like make it look like a pig or something Yeah, exactly do something like catch him eating a sandwich and lunch Then cartoon figure his face and do something like that and put something mean and then send it to everybody Or post it like here's the worst part of all that and this you're right It's just totally new territory is you know when I went out with off with my friends And we did stupid shit and said stupid shit and whatever At the worst people would tell the story about it. Oh sal blah blah blah or this guy But there were no pictures. Yeah, there was a documentary record of it. No now. Thank god And let me yeah exactly. I mean I did a lot of stupid shit. Yeah, everybody does right now There could be a picture. Yeah, and and there was actually there was a website. What's that? Something winery something mountain winery that people go do concerts. Yeah, not one. Okay There's this website Where it's literally or this page or whatever where it's pictures of kids and I say kids are in their 20s Drinking too much wine and vomiting all over the place So it's pictures like girls like you know the friends are holding her up and whatever acting great and I'm like that sucks Yeah, because it's all documented. It's there forever. You know what I mean? Like our shit wall of shame our shit was gone forever. No one knows. Yeah, you know Just made it through. Did you guys see uh, I didn't even know this bar still sports posted this up. Uh, just the other morning. Um, the The video of him In the legal battle with michael rappin port. I didn't even know like I guess I was out of the So what's the whole deal going on there? So First of all and I guess I I do recall michael rappin port doing things with bar still before Which it didn't even dawn on me till like I don't know maybe a year ago when he's such a whiny Well, yeah when the whole election thing went on like I know he's like super anti trump and He's just always angry so that's like come on dude He's always and he attacks a lot of people right and he's very very vocal about it and a bit vicious and stuff like that And some people find it very funny, right? Some people find that very funny Uh, whatever. I don't really care. Uh, but I didn't know that they had a big falling out and I guess uh The ceo of barstool at that time, which was dave before uh, uh, erica took over Uh, knew that when he let go of michael rappin port that he was gonna Do what he does which is be outlandish and crazy And I guess he did he did some memes or stuff of him bending dave over and oh, yeah Talking shit and stuff like that. Yeah, and dave was ready for that You know reaction and so then he had shirts made right afterwards of like him as a clown with herpes or some Yeah, and then I guess michael comes back. Hey, that's a game. They're going to play that game Well, yeah, you know mud at each other. Well, I and the funny part though is that obviously, you know You know mike does it loves to play this game until it really hurts him or you know people or he's the so he's suing them Yeah, but I he I mean dave blew it out of the water He couldn't he couldn't prove anything to him and and and the way he was trying to set it up the way the lawsuit was going it was trying to prove that Barstool sports was already trying to uh is premeditated Yes, premeditated trying to destroy his name By doing and had the shirts ready to go then fired him and then released it where dave was like nah, dude It was a response. It was a response to his bullshit knowing that he was gonna act like that and said, okay You want to play that game? I'll make a shirt. Oh my god. Yeah, so that's ridiculous. I know right? Yeah, crazy speaking of controversy, uh, the Lil Nas Satan's oh, yeah, what's going on with that everybody talking about that everybody and their mother's talking about this So, I mean, okay, so the deal is the shoes got like 6 6 6 on it a pain, you know pentagram only 666 shoes I heard you have some blood in there's a human. That's what he says right It's a drop of human blood in the in the little whatever. Yeah, I can't I don't even know what to believe And uh, no, it's like the number one training training video right now too, right the music video. Yeah Oh my god. It's so terrible. Anyway, so so here's the thing So Nike apparently is suing them now or not associated. Yeah, a lot of people thought it was a partnership And so I think that's why they're suing because the initial Everybody coming out was just like I can't believe Nike right. Oh, okay. So let's let's put our tinfoil hats on then Do you think they had a part of constructing this? They've obviously seen how well, you know, how I feel about how with You know with with uh, you know calling capper nick and all these different things where they've been Associated loosely or then they they claim ownership when it works in their favor, but then when it does it they sort of You know, I mean, you know where I stand on this I think a lot of these big big companies like this either way. They're making money They're constructing are brilliant at marketing and you know, it was just like the shrimp thing Like it doesn't make sense to me why the like we just talked about that the cinnamon toast thing Yeah, you're right. That's a stupidest article. I've ever heard a guy makes a false claim and then becomes famous for It's not shrimp. It's just all the shit Yeah, it's all the extra sugar. We give you isn't that crazy Yeah, yeah Cinnamon toast crunch now. So Yeah, you know, you saw Nike, you know with the all the the controversy with capper nick and everything go back and forth And and they made a ton of money off of that that all that well, they're suing him though So that makes me think that it maybe they didn't Yeah, because he so what do you do? He took the shoe and then so you have somebody designed that shoe Yeah, so apparently Nike's saying we did not say yeah, we didn't authorize it or whatever is probably where that Yeah, but did they have I mean case there's a there's a massive And I should know this right because I'm into sneakers. There's a massive resell market In in Nike's as it is, right? So I I don't understand like what's to stop him from buying What's to stop anybody from buying a pair of Nike's, you know, coloring it? Yeah, there's a guy don't people do that anyway Yeah, there's a guy called kikaso who I've bought a couple pairs of shoes from him way back when And he is he's an artist And he takes he takes shoes all different brands not just Nike but all different brands And he paints art on them and then sells them and they look they look cool, right? And and a lot of people buy them a lot of athletes have them and he sells them for a premium rate Like so does that mean that he could be sued by Nike then like I don't understand I don't know what the whole deal is so this has to be either, you know The the music industries the the album that you know, they're dropping associated with Lil Nas Like is this a new album and and his video obviously is brand new the video is but to get attention now It's like you got to create some kind of controversy. So is that coming from the music side of it or come from Nike? Right or a plot with between both. Yeah, you know what because yeah a little handshake How yeah how it plays out will really matter right because they could say I'm gonna sue you and then nothing comes Like it's dropped and nothing happens, right? Right and Yeah, so it's like they could be associated just as so long until they're ready and then the kid Yeah, now we're gonna sue you. Yeah. Yeah. So here's our plan if it gets too, you know bad pub We'll just pretend like we're not with it and we'll sue you. Yeah. Wow. We're gonna get lots of public and you are too We both are you know what this screams to me, which is this is just so exhausting Yeah, but here's the thing that's interesting to me is that is the outrage people have over some things and not And other things are not so much like we just heard about mr. Potato head Maybe changing his name to potato head because Apparently it's gendered or whatever. Yeah, and then you have a shoe that is you know named after The personification of pure disgusting evil. Yeah, right? Yeah, symbolically should be worse than Hitler Right, which is everybody's go-to. It's very interesting. Although, you know, I will say this music has You know, they've you satan and I mean, I just think it's been this generation has been it's it's popular to be anti god You know, that's been going on for the last decade and a half. Maybe arguably two decades where it's it's cool to be anti god I mean the rise of that was an anige and also of Of atheism is like higher today than it's ever been, right? Yeah, so I just I just think that it's become more popular to be that Also, it's I mean, I mean you're gonna get these shoes because you want people to react Right. Yeah, nobody gave a shit. Yeah, nobody gave a shit. You're just putting on red black shoes. Nobody cares Yeah, yeah, well, there's not even that many pairs and I would imagine most people will will would buy them to To resell them or hold on to them because of value increase because where do they get the blood? That's what I want. Yeah, that's gotta be fed. Yeah, they just say that like, oh, it's embedded in the shoe. Yeah. Yeah You can't see it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh cool, dude. Yeah, I totally believe you Right, it's satan lying too for sure lying They got us again. They're all these satanic priests, you know, bring over Oh cool. In reality, it's another Nike sweatshirt Yeah, some the 12 year olds making them like cut their finger. Oh, you know what we'll say Dangerous work conditions. No, no, no, no, no. There's a drop of blood Yeah, I've been trying to bring this up. I didn't know where to insert this ever but like so Yeah, I'm really into cults as you guys know I just like to watch and see you know in history like where they come from who's buying into these things Just to be better prepared for more of them coming up because they will So there was this one you caught off guard or something Damn it. The cold cut me again. Hey, man. Look what I don't know You could you could classify a lot of movements out there as cults if you want so And I'll you know, I'm happy to name them out right now, but um Basically, have you guys heard of like where the thug comes from the the term thug? No, yeah No, it wasn't tupac. Yeah, I thought that too No, it was uh in india back in the day Um, I guess the uh the thuggies was this Basically, there's part of this cult that was notoriously like they killed the most people out of anybody like almost like over history Over a couple million people Really? Yes. Wow. And we don't know who these I had never called thuggies. Yeah. And so this is in india and so what they they were like a band of um basically they would they would um, they would Like attack people on the roads and like steal and and there were thieves and they would steal their stuff and then they would uh, I believe, uh Tell me if i'm wrong. Doug. Obviously, you don't have your setup like normal right now, but um, like they would have these Uh ropes that they would tie around they'd like strangle people to death With them, but it was all it was all part of uh, you know, their god that they worshiped, uh, which is like a sacrifice Yeah, to to their god that they worship. Oh, yeah, and they just kill people to sacrifice They just they just kept killing them and then they would they would offer the their bodies now I'm not gonna lie when you said thuggies All I thought about was like because my son wears huggies. I thought about like they're like huggies, but they sag You know what I mean? Yeah Get your kid a pair of thuggies It's got some sunglasses Thug derived from that derived from that Thugs on the road that would basically attack people steal that and then kill and how old is that how far back does that go? I think it's yeah hundreds of years ago. Oh, wow, dude. Yeah, what there's like a fine line between like You know civilized and like we can do some really terrible shit as humans and justify it Yeah, oftentimes the stuff justify especially if you think it's righteous, right? Yeah, like you're doing this for something in that direction for me. The craziest story is uh, how God, who is it that killed it was Manson Got together a bunch of upper middle-class kids And basically convinced them to murder other people and they were they were normally They were normal well adjusted kids, you know good families and he Essentially convinced them to murder like a pregnant woman and you know the whole story. Yeah, how do you get into someone's mind like that? I don't know that is some serious must have been like in well, obviously he used a lot of drugs Yeah, well, I mean you're you're giving the example of the the crazy scary side But you see it on the religious side too. You see very fanatical people And in good even good communities. Yeah, you know that that like just worship the guy who's presenting this information You can see that in almost any group. Yeah, when's the last time you argued with a nutrition of what was this? What was the stat on like, you know, most people want to be led Most people want to follow somebody and when you find somebody Who is just you can't speaks charismatic. Yeah, and and everything they say is what you needed to hear it resonates with you so much And you're already that person that is looking to follow And I just I also feel like, you know, it's a good movie that shows that very very well fight club No, yeah, how he gets that whole how he gets them all the Tyler Dyrton. The the Waco documentary does a good job That's a real real deal. Yeah. Yeah, you gotta watch that actually happen Yeah, no you and when you and they did a good job of like, you know When you're an outsider looking in and we were watching the news and stuff of that you're like, what the fuck? These crazies and he's crazy But when they when they build it from the beginning and they show you the relationships you build and like how he was He's creating a family for a lot of people that just didn't have anything. That's right And so that it's so predatory that way 100%. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah, so I think you see it on both sides So I learned something interesting yesterday because it's so super left-turn, but it's kind of cool Did you know chicken nuggets come in four specific shapes? What are the dinosaurs? No, no, no, no, like in the shape. Yeah, I'll show you right now like McDonald's McDonald's literally has four shapes of Of nuggets. Oh, they do different ones. I thought they all say no, they're not and they're not random They're literally pressed four shapes There's the bell The bone the boot and the ball you can look it up. So anytime you get chicken nuggets 20 piece, whatever You look in there. It's one of those four now the the funny part about that is it's not They do it. No, they make it with that to make it look like they're Random, you just don't know. I mean, I don't know. I never eat chicken nuggets But I thought that was very interesting. Of course though. It's not It's probably I mean, it's me. Did you ever see that that documentary? I think I want to say it was this was years ago Jamie something saves the world or something like that And it goes around to all these like some of the like the the fattest states or cities and states And he goes and talks to the kids and tries to educate them on nutrition And he did a demonstration with chicken nuggets And he just show these kids like how they're made like he takes all the cartilage and the bone In front of them and like, you know, grinds it all up in a blender and stuff like that And then it's all soupy and pink and then he pours it in the frying pan That would have never done worked on me though. Well, it didn't work on the kids I was gonna say because they get the nugget like whatever a couple kids were like grossed out But then half of them were like as soon as it was fried and they're like, yeah Now who would still eat this? I'm hungry. It just shows you how much better marketing McDonald's is done That's what I'm saying speaking of obesity you some statistics came out 80% of the people in the hospital with COVID so people who get COVID who have to be hospitalized 80% of them are overweight or obese. Wow. So it's why did it take so long for this information to come out? It's the number one risk factor. I thought we already knew that. Yeah, but like somewhere along the lines the data keeps confirming Yes, it got countered didn't get countered for a while and say like, oh, it's not just because you know Like that's not the highest factor. No, it's it. That's it right there is is being obese or overweight And now of course this flies in the face of the whole Health at every size movement and you know, whatever But the reality is like if you're obese or overweight and it's not muscle or well And the reality is nobody wants to hear that So it says that that's like that's like one of those things that comes out and they just get brushed from any throw And that's what you're seeing right now. No one's gonna be talking about it. Yeah, meanwhile I think Americans have gained more weight this year than in many years Past because of the shutdowns. Yeah, a lot of people it gained a lot of weight Some people got in better shape, but most people gained weight stress sedentary, you know poor diet all the all the above Yeah, what do you do when you're stressed out? Yeah, you want to eat? Yeah, you want to eat, you know four shaped chicken nuggets But what an uphill battle though is releasing it for the level of self-awareness it takes for the masses to accept that information And take responsibility Because when you look at what was the stat we did for 40 something percent is now clinically obese Oh, yeah 80 is overweight 70 percent. Yeah 70 percent's overweight. Yeah, so, you know, you hear that's every it's most everybody there You know I'm saying the other and the people that were in the minority. I already feel like I knew this Anyways, right if you're already somebody who was actively, uh, you know pursuing a healthy lifestyle eating well Good relationships exercising in a gym doing things like that Um, I feel like that that community already kind of figured this out. That's not news to me, right? I don't yeah We know fitness. Yeah, yeah, but but this is news to a lot of people like oh my gosh I don't know being overweight or obese. Well, you talked with adam sedlack recently And he was discussing like the the statistics that they have too on uh, how much covet is actually spread in the gym industry Is it like ridiculously? Well, it's lower than the studies that they've done so far show that that they're not Vectors of transmission. They're just not well speaking of that You see all the articles that are now coming out on the states that have loosened up all the regulation on on math Yeah, so far. They're doing good. So far. They're doing better. Actually not bad at all You know when you factor everything in though unemployment Deaths due to suicide mental illness due to excessive lockdowns It it seems like it's getting very clear that the lockdowns The the severe lockdowns were caused more and that's really the weight of the argument for me Yeah, it is like and we had to weigh that we talked about in the very beginning of everything once it was starting to unfold was like What are going to be the casualties of shutting down all these businesses these schools, you know Keeping people in their houses Making them wear masks not not interacting. You know what the truth is the truth is had you not locked things down People probably naturally would have been avoided lots of public places They were a lot more cautious just on their own But here's the difference you don't feel forced That makes a big difference. It's a big difference makes a huge difference You do that choice yourself versus feeling like you're being forced. Yeah, it's very big difference in how you perceive it psychologically Yeah, I got some really fascinating. So I saw this today. I thought this was both awesome and a little frightening So a phd student heather dewey hagboard Had 3d printed portraits From dna found on cigarette butts and chewing gum on the streets of new york city So what she did was what so so people who throw their cigarettes okay, I got that or their gum They spit on the floor she used the dna from them and constructed their faces 3d printed their faces way and did it an exhibit right there No, and didn't exhibit to show like these are the people that people that would do something. Oh my god No way, that's possible. That's what it says. Wow. So it says here imagine dropping a cigarette But let me see a couple of days later walking some random art gallery Let me see this. It's just a picture. I just took I know it. It's wow that If that's accurate, that's fucking trippy, dude. That's trippy. You know, it's trippy. No, that's cool. Also scary Scary. Yeah, like if you just like blow your nose throwing the garbage someone's like, uh, cool Did you have pictures of like being able to find these people too or was this just all She kept them random. I mean that's the hardest part once you got to who they who they are You know tracking them down and finding them would be That's an art gallery of it. These are the people that are that are littering or whatever the streets That's wild. That is very wild. I didn't even know that was possible Dude, the future's gonna be weird when the technology gets super cheap, you know, I mean like you're hanging Dude, and that's so creepy. You're hanging out. She's got a wall full of heads. No, it's an art gallery I know I get it But like just you know from a visual perspective like you see it's it's almost creepy, right? I want to see it. It's actually kind of cool. I think it was new york Yeah, but I mean imagine you're like in the future because everything is gonna be so you know technology would be advanced, right? So you're probably in an app where you could do this. Yeah, and you're like your girlfriend gets in the car or whatever She's like, wait a minute. It's not my hair. Like it is. No, it's not. Hold on. Let me put it my app Shows a picture of the chick. What? Yeah You remember when uh, obviously you guys have seen elf It was a classic like you know when they're filming that they didn't like even shut down a lot of the streets and everything So when he did when he was like running around in his little costume and everything they were like capturing a lot of these moments And uh, so him going over to where the pre chewed gum was and everything was it was real He ate that on real for real. Apparently he did that for real Anything for comedy No, I had friends that did some of that remember we were taught we've shared in the podcast stories of guys that Want to just high school. Yeah, horse manure inside a biscuit and eaten. This is another dude thing Yeah, I used to I watched you all gross each other out. I don't need to desk and then chew it Hey, you ever you ever trade like you have your girl like you're dating You know when you're like junior high or high school do that Split the gum with her. Yeah, or you like make out and like the gum goes Just because you want everybody to know like uh, she chew my gum So gross the fuck were we thinking dude? That's weird. So disgusting. I let her wear my jacket. That's what Hey, did you give hickeys dude, huh? Do you ever give hickeys? Sure. Sure. There was a fan. That's such a dumb thing No, that's my girlfriend You can see it. I once or twice. I was like, I don't like this That was like a seventh grade thing or something around there. I'd say it around there. It wasn't cool when you're in high school Yeah, I don't get it It's just well, it was when because when you're not when you're not like people to know when you're fifth grade I made out fifth grade. Yeah, that's more of that when you're in fifth grade to eighth grade Right, you just come out of sex ed and you want to be you want to be the person who's You know that I'm I'm despair. I'm trying all these things you guys learned. Yeah I'm already giving hickeys I'm the lab right now. Dude. I totally made out. No, you didn't. Oh, yeah. Look at this. Oh, how do you think I got that? Oh touching a boob. I didn't tell everybody. That's like the shape of a vacuum though. I don't know Isn't that what made probably turtleneck so popular for us in that that era? I mean that was yeah That was a time to that was a time to rock turtleneck. I think you're right Yeah, it was around that was right around that same time. Yeah, and that's what it was. You'd have it You covered up to teach to you My sister came home. This is a true story, dude And she was uh, I want to say she was a junior in high school. I was a very over protective brother You guys know my personality. So I was really she comes home and she's got Hickeys on her neck up and down right and my mom saw it and of course she's like, please god Do not let your dad see what's going on So I'm walking into the kitchen and I hear this conversation my mom telling my sister Don't show your dad. Yeah, then I walk in they both see me and and they're both like oh fuck So I could tell something's going on like don't tell them what don't tell them what what's going on And I see the hickeys and like oh shit So this fucking kid shows up at the house to come hang out or whatever poor kid Shit is pants. Oh, oh, yeah, it never came back Never came back. What's like you marked up my sister. I'll mark you I'm gonna make some marks on you myself. He was just a horny teenager Never came back. What is this? What's the science behind what happens there? Is it like you're breaking caliper? Caliper calipers calipers Calipers That's what it is You're sucking so hard that they burst. Yeah, it's like when you throw up and I get them like, you know around my eyes And then what what is it that makes that reason doesn't happen you guys? What makes it regenerate and turn over and then go away, right? It's like a it's a bruise You just basically created a surface bruise. I wonder if the jubelite would like speed that process Yes, it would. Yes, it would. I bet it would. No, it actually That's what I was asking you. So it heals. We had a commercial for jubels even bruises. I fucking underhand pitch Sometimes you're just sometimes you're just brilliant. Sometimes I'm too good. I'm not gonna lie sometimes I'm too good Well, I can't make it obvious No, it actually will it will may it will speed up. It speeds up the healing stroking going on over Any You're so good. No, you just want to point that out. Oh, no, you stop You're good. You're the best. Go ahead. I am the best I'll just sit this out. You're all right. No problem. No, no, it'll work. You know, it's funny. So Juve gave me the you know the the new small unit that they have this big the portal So jessica's been using it every day just on her face 10 minutes a day Five days a week or whatever and I didn't know she was using I brought it home I did the live with the you know the live juve or whatever. Yeah, I had it. I took it home Anyway, uh, I've been noticing she's looking really I'm told I'm like, man, you look really good. Your skin looks really good She's like, I'm not wearing any foundation or anything. It's from the juve two weeks Two weeks of using it. I could just I feel like we're coming up with better marketing material for these companies now Yeah, yeah, like, you know, no sirs. No suck face juve. Yeah, something like that. I get these make them go away Yeah, like a caldera one. We came up with the other day. I think these are money Won't shrink your day. No, no it works, dude And if you shine it on your balls your testosterone goes up. Yeah, no, and it's just the right shape Yeah, we saw a bank reef will do that. Yeah, unfortunately Hey, look, I know you're enjoying this podcast real quick before we get to the questions Head over to mind pump free.com and check out all of our free guides and content Go check them out. They're free and they're awesome. All right. Enjoy the rest of the podcast First question is from jenny jane 36. What is the difference between strength gains and muscle gains? Strength versus muscle. All right. So strength is obviously a function of performance Muscle contributes heavily to that but so does technique So does your skill and your ability of your muscles to communicate with each other. This is why A much bigger bodybuilder might not be as strong as someone much smaller So can you develop more strength without building more muscle? Yes, you can can you build muscle without necessarily gaining More strength. Yes, also now bigger muscles always contract harder So a bigger muscle is stronger in its contraction But if you can't translate it to skill and technique Then you'll have bigger muscles that just aren't moving as effectively and so you're not going to be as strong Now the beauty of it is this they're so closely connected That training for one or the other will probably give you both It's an interesting question that you know, I've gotten quite a few times and it I remember geeking out on this a lot as a kid because I would see guys that weren't that huge but were Insanely strong and I'm like, where where are they getting this from because all the guys I used to idolize were just huge Arnold type, you know, bodybuilder guys that were on action movies and and and meanwhile you see, you know, a kind of a scrawny looking dude like being able to Pull off these amazing feats of strength. But then I started learning more about the central nervous system I started learning more about force output I started learning, you know about technique and mastery of technique and things like that and then you really see like there's There's a different way to train to manipulate both of those and sometimes they both Uh, you know bowed well for each other as well Well, there's definitely carry over in both But I mean like olympic athletes are such a great example of this conversation Yeah, like they don't just keep getting bigger and bigger. I mean it looks like our No, they compete in my classes. Yeah, like our buddy is sunny webster. You look at like his his body You know shape size. I mean, he's built. Yeah, but he's not a bodybuilder. Yeah, but he can crush a bodybuilder and grow Yeah, he's incredibly strong. So it just it really highlights how much Room there is to improve cns and and technique mastery Like really getting good at that that there's you can you could scale strength quite a bit without getting Massive or building a ton of extra muscle just by getting better at the movement itself Yeah, and a lot of those movements don't like big bulky muscles. We get in the way of You know the fluidity of it of of you know, really, you know like being able to being able to move with ferocity and more force and Power and so, you know, like we literally build our bodies and we we determine what what the outcome is based on the way that We're moving and we're stimulating it. I think this also highlights So the other side of that which is that you don't necessarily always have to move a ton of weight to build a very aesthetic physique Correct. I mean, I actually was I fell in that camp for most of my training career I actually I mean I have I have chased prs and and singles and heavy lifts More in the last six years with you guys and I did my previous 15 years of lifting I never cared about that it was like it was always about how I looked and so I was all technique guy all about diet and building muscle and constantly phasing my workouts and really like Trying to maximize that I and I rarely ever would lift to it because I was too much risk for me It's like, yeah, I know if I if I train the skill of this and I focus more on my output I could get better possibly and and the gains could carry over into my physique But I was so focused on my physique that I was like, I don't really care about that The risk wasn't I was too high for me at that point now What I have learned with my experience today. I think there's a nice balance totally Like I do think that I got I got tremendous value as a pro Starting to strength train and and working in the more performance aspect of training That carried over into building a better physique. So yeah, that being said, I would say to the average person Just focus on getting stronger. Now, you don't need to be a competitive lifter You don't even need to just focus on the big three lifts But just getting stronger you're going to get a great deal of of both I think when it starts to become more important to focus where you're going to go, whatever Is once you start to get advanced once the weight really starts to get heavy, you know, okay Now I'm squatting 300 pounds Should I push to get to 400 or should I slow my reps down and contract and squeeze and just focus on developing a better body? That becomes more of a you know more of an important debate, but if you're new Or intermediate Just get stronger. That's the most you're going to get more out of that than almost anything Yeah, building a strong foundational base will give you so many more options to build off of from there totally Next question is from nom nom pastrami For people with a lot of muscle already How can they lose body fat without tracking calories without tracking calories? All right. Here's a deal And I've worked with I'd say many of the clients if not most of them I would work with we would not Count calories For the most part. Did he say a lot of body fat or a lot of muscle a lot of muscle In other words, they're trying to say I already have a lot of muscle. So my metabolism is fast I think they're probably Alluding to what we always talk about which is build your metabolism type of deal Which that's always part of the strategy. But what I was where I was going is Look for things that uh encourage behaviors that lead to A leaner body or physique. So here's the easiest one. This one's super easy If your diet includes Processed foods like most people I mean if you're the average american 70 80 percent of your diet is processed foods But even if your diet is 30 percent processed foods If you just cut out the processed food without counting calories, you're probably gonna eat less And get leaner requires you to count nothing except for i'm not eating Things that come in boxes or wrappers or whatever It just leads to a behavior where you eat more appropriately that single thing right there is the most effective single step I've ever done with any client uh for weight loss that doesn't include any anything I don't know. There's there's a lot of things that you can do to start to lose body fat without tracking calories. I think uh Becoming more present when you're eating. I've talked about that before where you just don't eat in front of the tv or the phone You'd be amazed by you actually chew all your food Yeah, or chewing more right we focus actually on the chewing process Like a lot of people like throw something in their mouth bite it a couple times and swallow it Like there was a book that came out one time was a fat loss book and it was like something around like Chewing your food 50 times or something like it would result in all these people losing weight So there's lots of strategy. They're just getting smaller portion sizes skipping one meal in the day Uh, there's a lot of things that you can do that doesn't require Tracking calories, but but changing your behaviors that will result in fat loss and you know are avoiding a lot of empty calories candy, uh, you alcohol You can get rid of a lot of that stuff and get that same result To that point. I just read a study. It was just uh over like the diners in america Where they did some study where basically they switched out the the size of their fork to a smaller fork and people ate Way smaller portions as a result of that The the the most simple thing you could do but you felt like you know, you you gained more uh from the smaller fork And so just naturally you thought you were satisfied well and honestly somebody Like that's I was Questioning what they were asking in this because if you got a lot of muscle mass I'm assuming that you're you're alluding to you have a pretty fast metabolism than two So it's pretty easy for this person You know that they get a roaring metabolism. They want to lose body fat and they don't feel like tracking calories Make a few good decisions. Yeah in my opinion behavior modification through the stuff that we're talking about Will lead to a pretty good healthy lean physique It will not lead to a shredded physique Yeah, not competitive now if you're trying to get shredded you're gonna have to count and and measure things But if you want to get lean and healthy, uh, and you know, we're whereas where most people will look at you and say Why that person looks pretty good For the most part, you don't need to count calories now. I don't I'm not saying there's no value in understanding how many calories are in foods and What macros I think there's value in that and people should learn that But you can you most people can get very fit in and relatively lean without ever really having to count calories The problem with that is that just most people are so unaware. That's the problem I mean, there's plenty of studies that support that too that show that Like I think it's 90 something percent of people Underestimate their calorie intake and the ones that think they know I mean and I and I find this all the time with myself like, uh, I'm probably around 2800, you know, and I guesstimate I'm never on, you know, and I'm pretty damn good at that I've been doing that for a really long time. So especially with health foods too like people eat salads and you know And they don't even realize it's like 1300 calories that they just consume. I mean, I brought that up a long time ago I'll never forget the first time that I actually weighed out and measured a sweet potato Uh, because sweet potatoes aren't really high in calories And when you look at all the you know the apps or the books that that break down the the nutrients in it It's um, you know, relatively very healthy low calorie type of food But they grow in very different sizes And when they say like a small medium or regular or large in the book It's very different than a lot of times what you get at a grocery store. Yeah, let's try and average it out Yeah, and what you can find is it could be uh, I mean I'm well gigantic. Yeah, I found I was like 300 calories off on one You know, so that's a I remember I did that with chicken breast Uh, and it said, you know six ounces and I'm like, oh medium or small chicken breasts And I put and like this is like where'd they get this from a dinosaur? It's bananas You ever one medium banana a medium banana is like that big like where do you find that size? They don't make it and you would think that's a small banana. Yeah, I would think it's a tiny banana Yeah, so that's the thing and here's the thing too like when people ask questions like this If if you're trying to get to that destination like so you have a goal in mind, right? Nothing will be faster than tracking too because you'll be more precise The way we're talking about is more long term And what's healthier long term as far as your relationship with exercise and food by doing that by doing what you're saying By addressing all the behavior things. This is a great way for a long healthy lifestyle and good relationship Y'all you also have to look at it like it is work like so if you are disciplined with your exercise Why wouldn't you apply that same discipline towards learning? You know specifically Uh about tracking calories and so you know like that way you have something that you can then go off course with And and a lot of people have no idea like they know from what they hear in media So for example, you know, I'll have a family member that's like, oh, yeah, oh Beans are really high in protein. So is peanuts like not really. I mean they're high for a a plant source But do you know how many peanuts you'd have to eat to equal the same amount of protein? You'll find it's six ounces of chicken or how many beans like oh, but it says high protein You know when I look at it. No, it's a lot six grams. You know six grams. Yeah, it's high protein for a plant But in comparison to other sources, it's not high protein Well and back to justin point because I think it's a very good valid point I mean, I feel the same way about exercise you could I mean the the ultimate goal of both exercise or training, right? And nutrition is to get intuitive training and intuitive eating. I mean, that's yeah, we all want to get there That's the pinnacle in my opinion is to get to a place where you know your body well enough You know, uh exercise well enough for programming well enough That you can always maintain a very fit healthy physique forever off a feel Yeah off a feel right and knowing right and even if you're outside those boundaries You know you're outside those boundaries and the same thing goes for nutrition like that you have the ability to feel Oh, I'm eating where I about where I should be even if you are sometimes outside the boundaries. I'm aware Right, you know, I'm aware I'm eating this ice cream and I'm going beyond or outside of what I probably should be doing But you're aware of that and personally I just think that most people Need to track both those things to figure that out or learn both They need a guideline first before they go off Yeah, learn how to what does it crawl before you walk crawl before you walk next question is from andre schimmel What is all this hype around psalms? Psalms keeps coming up. Dude. Can I tell you guys something right now? So I did a little I was doing a little research because there's a lot more psalms that are out Then when I first read about them and so I went on google Did a little bit of research go back to facebook and I'm getting ads like crazy from companies on facebook There's so many of these companies selling to buy them online pretty easily very easily Now here's a funny thing back when I really started reading them when psalms started becoming out by the way Appreciate your patience. I'll get into What you know psalms are and what I think about them. Well, it's crazy when I first started researching them So psalms exist in this gray market. They're not legal for human consumption or for sale for human consumption They're currently called considered research chemicals, which means You can buy them for research anybody can buy them for research. So it's like this gray Market area now in the past when you bought a psalm it would come in a in a liquid form It would have a dropper and measurement. So it looked like a research chemical They're selling it's capsules and bottles that look like bodybuilding stuff. They don't even fuck anymore. I didn't even cover it No, it's crazy. Okay. So what are psalms? All right, so psalms psalms stands for selective androgen receptor Modulator. Okay. So what are androgen receptors? These are the receptors that testosterone attaches to Um testosterone is an androgen and anabolic hormone now Why they developed psalms was if they were trying to develop a drug That would be able to target specific tissues of the body But not affect others. So if you take testosterone Your muscles will get affected. Your bones will get affected. You'll build more muscle. You'll build more bone But your whole body has there's androgen receptors all over so you might get oily or skin If you're a woman, you'll get Masculinization you might grow facial hair. You might grow a small penis. No joke the clitoris grows all these seen those Yeah, all these and I have seen them. By the way, it's weird all these symptoms that you'll get all over So it's like how okay, we want to get the benefits of the anabolic Benefits of testosterone, but we don't want any of these other potential side effects or whatever So what they did is they created chemicals that are pretty selective with how they attach to these androgen receptors And the promise is that you take them And you build muscle. So if you've got like muscle wasting disease or cancer aids, you know osteoporosis But you're not getting effects like testosterone Um the other effects like testosterone. So that's the promise now Of course athletes get their hands on it hands on it like oh cool I can take this and get effects like steroids and it's not illegal But it's not legal, but it's okay. I can buy it online. Here's the problem With psalms. They are new they're experimental Most of them aren't even in animal trial a human trial Some of them are just in animal trials the ones that are in human trials are not it's still anywhere close to getting approved So you are literally experimenting on yourself With drugs that you're buying from people who I don't you don't know if they're putting it in there Or they're not putting it in there what the deal is now. I've heard a lot of athletes and um, you know, because it was It was attracted because it wasn't necessarily steroids, but they they thought there might be a way around that maybe and through testing I don't know what they're thinking you can test for psalms. Okay. So now they can test for them But I didn't hear about it being that big in the bodybuilding community or is that not no no bodybuilders using right Already using like all the real stuff if you talk to a bodybuilder about this they think it's stupid Yeah, because they think or well, and I agree with this statement is that we have more research Oh my god, we know what to stop strone and steroids the truth the only reason why this is even a popular conversation And I totally remember being this boy, you know, this is it's hitting the 17 to 25 year old market Like oh, I would I would fall for this. Yeah 100 because they've done such a good job Stigmatizing uh steroids and it's got such a bad name for itself And it's a needle and well no i'm natural Right i'm taking sarms right so you know this is over the counter to claim your natural this this you don't have to go to the black market You don't got to inject a needle into yourself. There's you know oral right and so you as a teenage boy Who was curious about these things? Uh, I would probably feel like this is me dipping my toe in the water without going full steroids now sarms work They build muscle. They definitely have anabolic effects in the body So they do work. I wouldn't fuck with we just don't know A lot about them because they're new chemicals. Um, so it's like you're you're playing a game You don't know what the deal is. They're in fact, they're recently I just talked to ben greenfield actually the other day about him He was all pro-sarm for a while. He's you know what to be honest with you now We're noticing that there may be some cancer pathways that could be activated from this I mean, we don't we don't know a lot because they're new, you know You know crossfit athletes we're getting busted with Left and right because they were getting tested for steroids, but they're like, oh, we could do this Sarm wasn't that girl that got busted and she said it's because she'll make it out with a boyfriend Yeah, yeah, I was like his lotion that got on her or something And there's female athletes are using sarms because they're being told it's not going to have any Masculinizing effects on the body, but there's so many of them that are out there now It's wild like some build more mass and some are better for bone Whatever and I'm doing all this reading like and here's a here's a shitty part, right? This is crazy and I'm just gonna warn everybody if you try to do research on sarms Here's how these internet marketers are and they're smart. It's sleazy, but it's smart They'll write blogs and articles pretending to be Scientific reviews of the sarms, but in reality what they're doing is they're trying to populate the front page the first page of google Yeah, when you so when you go first page of google Sarm reviews, it's all written by these sarm, you know guys are Selling it and they're pretending to be so like oh, well, you know it says here There's no risks at all and they're very safe and the studies say that they're really good And wow look this company's got like certification showing that it's pure or whatever No, man. I wouldn't I wouldn't mess with that. I mean if you experiment with your body, it's fine It's your body Yeah, but I just saw I mean in that case if you're gonna go that far I just feel like you may as well dip into the testosterone world I just if you're it's definitely we know what it does. I mean I and I want to make this clear I'm not promoting that to anybody, right? I'm not definitely especially 17 to 25 year old boys that you should go out and try NSF, but if if I was to go be if I was talking to 17 year old me who easily would have been You know persuaded by this Sarms right if I could go back and talk to him I would just say yo bro if you're gonna if you're gonna dabble in this world You may as well if it's either that or steroids Yeah, it takes steroids and do them right, you know because there is a lot of research around that and we know so much more Other facts and a lot of things that you talk about like Masculizing and some of the potential side effects of that that those all those increase with the higher and higher doses of that They do and it's usually for women that have an issue with that the guys who take anabolic if they take testosterone They probably like the masculinizing Aggression the confidence that you know that that kind of feeling that you get from here's the truth Testosterone is an for men. It's an extremely safe hormone. It's one of the safest hormones. You can give a man You know thousands of times because you recognize it right he might get some symptoms and stuff But it's not going to kill him like insulin would do you know insulin would kill you right away or you know other hormones Uh, but psalms adds it's crazy though. I'm looking at these ads. I'm really dug deep I'm reading and I'm like man if I was a kid And I'm the research even as a kid. I was a researcher. I loved the research thing. I would have got sold I would have read five articles. Oh all of them say that there's no harmful You know issues and in the rat studies show that there's no toxicity and it doesn't suppress your testosterone It does you take psalms You will also affect your natural testosterone level So some people like well, I don't want to take steroids because it'll lower my testosterone Same thing with psalms. That'll still happen. Um, but yeah, I would have fallen for it I totally would have fallen for me too user beware Next question is from nurse buck master Whoa What are good guidelines for someone who wants to compete in a fitness show? Oh Yeah, that's this is your this is your wheelhouse. Well, I think This is a hard one too because to be honest with you. I think that A lot of people that Get into competing get into it for the wrong reasons. Yeah, I remember you you would always you would often talk people out of it I do yeah, but many a lot of times Because I would get these people it's becomes it's become very popular since instagram. Yeah, I mean it's become the new Marathon, how are they doing without, you know, are they still doing shows and everything? Um, I believe I believe competitions are going on. Yeah, I don't know how they're doing it But I believe they're they're still happening. Um, I'm the I you know me. I don't really follow that I don't know you're as close as I am. I know, you know I know people look to me to ask and then I get questions around like people that I'm like I don't follow anybody who's competing right now Um, you know, it'll be a good question for you adam is because I want to get into what to do But I think this would be a good question. What was your criteria? Yeah, for someone that you would then say, okay, you you can compete like what would you add? What would you look for? Well, I think you have to have one a really good base knowledge of exercise Right, so training like you should have like an idea of like the importance of programming and how you would phase it And and things like that like basic you don't need to be like a You know a phd or have a lot of experience there But you should have some understanding of exercise and form and technique too, right because you're going to go into this pushing the body to its limits in a lot of areas and training being one of those areas And you shouldn't be pushing and stretching it if you're still really learning the mechanics of a lot of fundamental movements So I think you should have a really good base solid base of training Uh, and then you you I think you have to have a really good knowledge and understanding of both nutrition and your metabolism And that's what I saw it's and I'm speaking more it's both sexes, but I was speaking more to uh, I told more Women's bikini girls know that I did men's physique men And that's because in the in the in the women's competing community A lot of these girls were a very low calorie Going into this idea in the first place like I talked about a good girlfriend of mine who I wouldn't let her compete for over a year of getting coaching from me Before I would let her compete and then she went in and did it without without me And then she got she was she was fatter on stage than what she was before body fat percentage She lost muscle and it just it boggled her mind even though she looked better to her right because she She got smaller and her weight came down But it was exactly what I was trying to explain to her I said this the reason why you did this is because you didn't you weren't in a healthy place metabolism wise Going into this now you need room to go down. Yeah you and and most Most especially girls that are interested and by the way There there are guys in this category too, but I did speak to way more girls to have this conversation than guys If you're in a place already And you exercise and train and and try and lose body fat and or build muscle and you're only eating 1300 to 1800 calories That's a pretty low place to be Already and then and knowing that you're nowhere ready for stage, you know your stage body fat percentage Uh, you're just not and what and unfortunately we're in this time where These coaches that are hustling online are trying to make money and they'll take everybody and anybody now I wasn't in that place. We had mine pump. I'm doing other things I didn't need the money and so when I saw somebody like this I said would say no like I won't coach you for a show Uh at you know 1500 calories right now and you're telling me you want to do a show in 12 weeks And you want me to get you ready like i'm telling you right now I'm going to destroy your metabolism trying to get you there And I would be now what about like their their body image and their relationship with food in themselves I can imagine The pressure of Getting judged by your body and how you look and constantly focusing on how you look If you don't have a if you're not secure with yourself. Oh that could do a number on you Well, the the truth is though That's also I mean most of the ones that are the best of the best in the in that space are extremely insecure About their bodies and that insecurity is what drove them to be competitive and to be consistent It's because they they have deep insecurities of being teased for looking a certain way or being fat or Whatever it might have been that drove them into fitness And they just happen to be have another level just disciplined than the average person And that's what's led them into competing I mean I would like to talk all those people out of it But the reality is most of us uh have some sort of insecurities that we're still battling when it comes at And I guess Before you get in you need to be very aware of your own insecurities. So I I think that I've tackled most of my own But I still am aware of that right like you competed as like a good as an adult Like you were you've been doing it for a while. I was already 30 something years old I've been a I've been already a trainer for over 10 years like So I had a lot of experience already with body image issues and relationship with food and exercise My own issues that I had that drove me to Taking anabolic steroids and trying to be a bigger guy and all that stuff So I already worked through all that and when I got into competing I I'd never even had a desire to really do it was really just to build the business It was really to gain authority because and unfortunately we were in a very superficial World and we're in the probably one of the most superficial businesses that People want to see that you can do that yourself and show I so I wanted to do it with no coach and No team and prove that I could do this and I also wanted to show That I could do it as healthy as I could until I had to cross that line So there was like what to I remember the show you did when we were all working together at first I think it was like A few weeks out and you said okay now I'm going to get into the state the unhealthy part Yeah, the sport of it That's right I would tell the audience because I would document and talk to you know My my instagram and youtube is going through it And I would let the audience know that okay Everything I've done up to this point has been pretty healthy healthy relatively healthy the way I have slowly Reduced body fat and slowly reduced calories. I was still in a very I mean I got ready for every show and never dropped calories lower than 2,500 calories The pretty decent place to be especially for somebody who's trying that's at the very end. Yeah, it's very in Pete goes in the 4,000. Yeah, it's pretty manageable right So I would tell him that so from a and I wasn't doing excessive cardio I was just stepping to get more movement and changing my programming to see the consistent results But then they would get to a point when you get to that final two weeks And I'm trying to shred every last ounce. That's when you pull all those crazy things out That's where I would do two hours of cardio. That's where I would count calories in a you know Dangerously low place to be and manipulating water and sodium and I'm playing with all these things to achieve this look That's not health. It's not a representation of health It's what looks great on stage and tanned up and on the lights and on the covers of magazines And I would be very transparent with my audience and say, hey, I'm I'm now entering I'm now cross this this line of this is no longer healthy I'm going to push my body to the extreme limits to try and present my physique the craziest I could present So would you say the first step then is for somebody who wants to compete is Are you is your metabolism in a in a good place? Are you eating a good amount of calories? And you're and you're already relatively lean. I would imagine that right? Yeah I know this and the reason why I said earlier that they're treating it like marathons when I back in the day as a trainer A lot of times people would sign up for marathons as a way to get in shape They didn't work out. They didn't do anything like I want to get in shape You know, it'll help me motivate me if I sign up for a marathon that's what we're doing that with shows Yeah, that's I would get that a lot I would get uh, you know a girlfriend that would say Hey me and my girlfriend want to you know We have a competition to see who get in the best shape and we are going to do this show that's coming up in three Or four months Would you help us you know get ready for it die for and then I'd like start asking their experience and what they've been currently doing And how many cow and there's like no clue no clue of like how many get on stage Yeah, they have no clue but they like you said it's become so trendy and popular to do these That everyone's like oh, this is a what a great way to get myself in the best shape of my life Worst way I know and and the truth is you may do exactly what my friend did where she went out on her own And and she thought she got in the best shape of her life because she was the smallest she'd ever been She knew she dieted harder than she'd ever had in her life and she got up on stage She did it was proud of herself And I had her dunk But I wouldn't let her see it till after the show Because I knew it would have just fucking discouraged her completely It would have ruined the way she presented herself up on stage and afterwards Showed her and showed her that her body fat percentage although she was down I think she was almost 30 pounds or down 28 30 pounds Her body fat percentage went up and even Psychologically, she thought she was in better shape was like no you're in way worse shape Your metabolism is now slower than it's ever been and your higher body fat percentage Even though you have 30 pounds of weight Off the scale off you that is really hard for people to to make that right It was hard for her and she's looking at it. Yeah, like she's looking at me I don't understand all the coaching and talking leading up to that from you know from me Still didn't totally I for me personally I you know, I never competed and I worked a little bit with some competitors I didn't do pre contests, you know Competition nutrition and training. I just I always stayed out of that But I did know a lot of people that competed and I don't know a single person that made it out of That space without some Issues that they developed really I don't know a single person because you're so focused on how you Focusing on just your appearance anyway can cause issues But when you have a competition and you know you're going to display yourself and not only that But you get critiqued on how you look. Oh, you're you're you're a little soft handle that. Yeah. Oh, your muscles not big enough here Oh, your glutes don't look It's not good for you to focus on that so much It really can develop a very bad relationship with extras now that being said, okay I also think it was one of the the greatest times in my life I also think that it has attributed to some of the the greatest knowledge gains As being a coach the the perspective it gave me to to take it to that level Um, I had a blast doing it. It was very very cool to see what my body was capable to push those limits and those boundaries Um, so I see there is a lot of positive But I also think that and I love this question because I do think there's a lot of prerequisites I do think that you should be in that place. I I know I'm not alone I'm not the only person that was self aware by 30 and had trained for a while and had a good diet I mean if you gotta if you have a healthy metabolism and you know, you do you know, you're eating a good amount of calories, right? So, you know, you have a healthy metabolism You've been training long enough to understand programming to or you're gonna hire a coach to do that for you And you have a good relationship with body knowing that you this is not a representation of me and who I am It's just my my physique that I'm manipulating and you can remove yourself from that and you don't you don't get wrapped up in that identity If you can do those things Fuckin a I think it's awesome. I think it's it's it's a those are some big things though they are those are big those are big things to tackle and And I and it's and not a lot of people are aware enough to even know if they are in that place Um, but yeah, if you are and you and you do feel confident in that man I think uh competing is a blast and I think it can be I think you can do it and completely step out of it and remove yourself like I mean I had no problem. I couldn't wait to walk away from it. 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