 What's up. Well BPD. It's draft night draft day Johnny Mansell we'll see if the next can grab him in the later rounds. Currently joined by. He should he is from everything I know he's very available big baby David how you doing tonight brother nature. Not bad not good man I'm good that I'll be honest that shams bomb was kind of a bomber huh. Like get that out of here like even if that's true. Like come on you know yeah I was on edge like all day worried like is someone gonna swoop in it to Kenny's in. Joining the program are you doing big daddy. Yeah I'm doing good I'm doing good at this race home. You hear about volumes a little low will flirt with big baby David for a little bit there's the headphones. Can how you doing we were just talking about how shams kind of killed the drama for a little bit. So again I was trying to fix my mic. We're talking about how shams kind of killed the drama. What part when you announced the first three picks of the draft. I don't know I mean it it was what we expected yet at the same time it's like come on shams. Yeah and I don't know if you remember this when which first went there. Like ESPN is like hey how about you don't eat out all of these. These picks before they come out right and then shams did it and then ESPN was like do whatever you want. Because I was trying to mess with the game. Yeah. They drop the big F. U. yeah what why doesn't he change his username to wow shams God by the way. Feels like a layup. But I'll tell you this that Greg absolutely hates it. When those guys tweet out the text before they happen. I mean it's ridiculous. Yeah I don't like that. Like I think that should be marked down as like bad reporting. Like like clearly we're doing this for entertainment value at this point. Like what why you got to be like that. You're going to have to trade and call the day. Yeah like and you're finding out like. Two minutes for every house announces it like come on. Come on you're not really breaking news like everyone else is going to find out. Two minutes later anyway. But you know that's that's that's journalism you know it's just the game we play baby. So I mean are we are there any nerves are are is there still a chance that we hear Darius Garland's name. Or are we just it has to be our J. Barrett at this point to too big to fail with our J. Barrett. I think that's been kind of the general thought for a while. I think everyone was we were saying that even last week like there's not much drama or kind of anticipation coming up as we know we pretty much know what it's going to be and now even more so than then. But you know it's a it's a draft and you think it happened. Someone could make a ridiculous trade into the top three and change something but. I don't see that happening but it could happen. It always could it always could be B. B. D. you were kind of it's been funny to watch this whole thing circle around because. Pretty much the rest of us in Nick's nation had talked ourselves into Kevin Durant coming. We're going to end up trading the third pick whether it's for. A. D. Bradley Bradley veal. C. J. McCollum whoever we can get. The picture has changed a lot. Significantly in the past eight days or so. You are on you were on R. J. Barrett first though you liked R. J. I think you were dreaming up a world where R. J. Barrett and Kevin Durant. Could play together. Well there's a chance they could do that in a year or so. But we still don't think that's we still don't know but we do. We're ninety nine percent right now we're getting R. J. Barrett are you happy with that. I like it I I was always down to keep R. J. I was not against trading for someone like A. D. with that you never became a real possibility. But I definitely like the idea of just drafting R. J. and keeping R. J. and calling it a day gets me very excited because like you said I like the guy a lot. Yeah and we we we have Adam Silver stepping to the podium at the Barclays center. Tall strong and handsome that's how I like him. Say hi to the Barclays center crowd will will see who will be playing there in a couple months we think I read. I was congratulating Toronto very nice very very nice. And and you know what I let let's go to positive town before we go to negative town which is easy on a lot of next podcast. R. J. Barrett was the number one recruit coming out last year. He was five games ten games into this college season it was still a very strong discussion. That R. J. Barrett could be the number one pick in the draft. A month and a half later here we are the Zion show happened. John Morant I respect the hell out of any looks great there's we're we're not going to poke holes at John Morant at all. You like my yeah we we like Moran and we I think I mentioned that one percent we don't get R. J. Barrett we we still haven't we still have the back of our head. That you're right big baby David those big gas. Now I'm good. New Orleans pelicans on the clock guys I'm leaning Zion but. I have a feeling. I mean we should still be satisfied with this this R. J. Barrett is a guy that I think in a lot of drafts could very well be a number one pick. And I think if Zion Williamson wasn't the default number one I think for the past three months we would have been talking about who's number one. Zion or excuse me R. J. or John Morant is that fair. Yeah I mean that's absolutely true if you told me at the beginning of the year we'd we've kind of backpedaled into R. J. Barrett I'd have jumped for joy so it can't really be upset that we're in this spot today. Yeah I agree with that I think you know and even Zion probably would have been in that conversation before kind of he had a historic college basketball season like it could have been a debate until you just put such ridiculous numbers but in any event like all three of these guys have kind of star potential and franchise changing potential so you know I don't I don't think we can be too upset with any of them I think David said it on lottery night that these we needed what we needed a top three pick and that's that's kind of that's kind of the long and short of it and we ended up with a top three pick. If we had dropped out of the top three it would have been a completely different conversation. Yeah we would be having heavy debates right now over Darius Garland, Jared Culver and other other familiar faces speaking of familiar faces an old friend to the Talking Knicks program has joined us our one our only Boston representative we've ever let on the show Kevin McMuffin McGovern Kevin we don't have your audio right now but you look great audios audio is a big part of the YouTube podcast world I won't hold it against you we'll come back to Kevin we'll come back to Kevin in a minute right now we've got Marty Smith in the streets of New Orleans which what what NBA draft is incomplete with that um do we like Marty Smith is he nuts he's a little nuts I don't care much for the man how did he go from NASCAR to college football correspondent to NBA draft like that's I'm in for that I think you're on that track Jake something like that oh and we're crowd surfing alright now this is an NBA draft baby um whoa you like what the Pelicans are doing Dave I mean so I've lost track with all the moves that happened in the last hour and a half so they got like they have one eight seventeen is that where they're at now first they absolutely looted the Lakers and then they traded the four pick for eight and seventeen and thirty five I got where the Solomon Hill that's it they got the yeah something like that they're in a great spot ooh Zion in the white suit if Kevin's here first thoughts still nothing from Kevin I'm sorry what an audio nightmare um Kenny are you you and I have had heated debates on Zion Robinson I mean we've been at each other's throats with knives yeah that sounds right that was one time um I mean you people are saying with the pelicans kings ransom from the Lakers Zion whatever ends up if they keep true holiday if they end up doing something there you have to love what David Griffin's doing right even though you think science terrible that doesn't even come close to what I ever said okay okay then what did you ever say my my whole thing is I think Zion has some obvious flaws in his game one being that he's a 64 power forward that's 285 pounds and relies on athleticism I think he's one bad injury away from just not really being able to do much but I think you know to the extent that he stays healthy and maybe he maybe he's an absolute freak like LeBron where you know he can carry that but what if he does do good things like that'd be fine his other problem is that he can't shoot which in today's NBA there are not that many stars who can't shoot Ben Simmons being the obvious guy who who's kind of on the other side of that where but he's been absolutely exposed in the playoff the other big person that people talk about is Giannis but Giannis can shoot a little bit I'm not convinced that Zion's going to be able to shoot that well from the NBA range against NBA defense but we will see but either way I think you're right you can jump in now because you got the collection I don't know who it's going to be Adam Silver first pick of the NBA draft wow Diane Williamson I didn't see that coming Jared Culver first Texas Tech player to go one no we're uh it's happened Zion Williamson officially I posted a picture of Zion Williamson Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving and Nick Garb less than a month ago and I hate myself so much which might be unrelated to that too but good for the Pelicans good for Zion I like the kid a lot and by the way we got the chat going if we've got any questions or comments in the chat we will interact with you big baby David do you like the pick hey I want to say something to the Pelicans yes oh yeah it's the obvious pick we've talked about it for months Zion is just going number one and if no one gets to reset their franchise now they will go from one franchise star to another wow let's go hot take radio this is usually our best segment oh oh I don't think that but I threw it out there NBA Hall of Fame Kenny uh I'm going to say no wow big baby David well no if you want to play the numbers game but uh I mean he's going to start towards that as you can be right I've got him as such a lock I love him and I think that tells you how like too ridiculously how you are on Zion like so much has to go right for you to make the Hall of Fame and like the fact that you think he's a lock already having not played a single NBA basketball Hall of Fame so soft man I mean we're we're going to get some guys trickling in there Dwight Howard is going to make the basketball Hall of Fame yes he's going to Greg Odin is still his borderline I mean flip a coin on that we've got some comments on like bicep Sam Searing again says I don't know if we want to talk about that what's that Ken is crying very emotional he's having having trouble speaking yeah they had to pass him a fairly extreme cry holy smokes in there yeah these are like Grey's Anatomy cries these are no joke these are like emotional episode of Scrubs Ken yeah I'm saying like he's I mean I'm not faulting for the guy at the moment but just pointing out he was really really letting loose right now this is like having a couple beers and watching a good episode of Queer Eye this is like serious water works um he hates New Orleans I think that's why I love he loves me he's hasn't he never been to New Orleans isn't this going to be his first trip to New Orleans when he goes for the first time I think they said that that could be true he must have seen him he's been there by now so hard on that right I'm starting to think the only reason I like sports is when sports gives people an excuse to party the streets the streets of New Orleans are packed just because they're drafting Zion they've known for weeks I mean let's let's be fair though New Orleans looks for any reason to pack the streets yeah it's kind of they have the one street in America that's always packed so I guess that wasn't the hottest of takes Zion with more tears most tears per draft pick we've ever seen tears expert Greg Poon as I am we're like crying okay and that was Greg Poon thank you so much for joining us I am more like crying oh that's actually pretty good and we're throwing another Hail Mary Kevin McGovern oh my god still you gotta work on your computer go to your settings check out the audio input settings the mic settings I don't know man it's not working for you let's try that Kevin just keep talking when we hear you we'll let you know um this might seem this might seem bad that we're boxing out our only boxing course Grizzlies pick is in Jameran wow good head of lettuce good I mean this I think it was so funny oh we were talking Grizzlies rumors today were they gonna trade the pick so they could pair Barrett and Zion I think it was funny that we said that wow his dad was teammates with Ray Allen how about that where we're a big Ray Allen podcast yeah um man still in the Kevin I haven't seen you in a while man I feel so sorry I want to hear that voice are you just mute now are you just mute now yeah I'm echoing through Kevin's computer now which is devastatingly bad but the mic's not working that's wild I think Kevin's just gone mute Jameran talking on the stage Greg Poon I've already dubbed him as a guy that's gonna end up on our all swaggy guards team what do you have on jaw yeah I mean like I said I was I was at the NCA tournament round one when he put up that triple double right against Marquette messed around he really threw it down on some guy two handed and I've been sold ever since freak athlete he's an okay shooter great passers he is team swag I mean that did you just see that around the drip around the back dribble no look pass I mean that's that's swagalicious I'm interested to see and I don't want to talking about right there we don't have our body guy Tom Pickler on the podcast Jamerant right now weighs what buck seventy if that he's got to put a little meat on the bone that's a good call big body David jumping in there like that plan words I mean I think it's less of a concern at this point it's not like there's a lot of guards or anyone really that's gonna take you into the post and post you up if you're that skinny in the NBA anymore so he's got the foot speed you might get bullied a little bit but not as much as it used to be in the olden days Ken don't tell that to coach Fisdale's new favorite player Kadeem Allen because he will post you and toast you and that might be our offense this year three and a half minutes on the clock for the Knicks we got Jamerant interview going on no water works making Zion look real soft we're like cry on Zion's a bad guy oh no Greg Poon gun to your head Zion Williamson basketball Hall of Fame yes or no um no God darn toon that's not like a high bar you could have said all Jake says he's a lock like that's too high to be on anyone I think he's a lock well I was right on Greg Oden and I was right on Adam Morrison so let's uh no that's not true that's a nice moment that's a nice lid too Ronnie Moran that's how you end up on the all swag team Jared Jackson Junior looks exactly like Jared Carmichael I'd like to see big baby David in that hat guys we are two minutes and twenty seconds away from the future of the Knicks um Rui Hachimora hopefully no um what do we okay how about this we we we half laughed half enjoyed Zion's emotion what do we want to see do we want RJ Barrett come out crying Peacock in do we want to guarantee playoff tell me pick is in can you hear me yeah wow just as the Knicks pick comes in our Boston correspondent Kevin McGovern is here to break it down with us Kevin Howard Mike Lee's at the in the building Spike Lee in the house Kevin how are you bud great it's so good to hear your voices and I'm sure just as well for you to hear mine alright and that's all we've got from Kevin on the night we're going to jump to RJ Barrett um went with the pink top do we like that I'm going to stop listening for a minute no one talks to me okay that's fine well Ken is going on mute he's excited for this moment we've got a Knicks fan with the please the don't screw up sign in classic Knicks fashion um Kevin you're an you're an outsider to the Knicks world yes you like RJ Barrett I do I do I'm a big fan I think he's a he's a real dynamic player which to be honest players oh god Greg the audio RJ Barrett's been picked um we're pleased I think that's a good picked as an unbiased um sometimes Knicks fan big baby David just fell over in his chair um yeah you guys got like 10 seconds ahead of me so I thought I thought that was raw emotion that was you getting away from us RJ Barrett going on the stage all pink I'm into it I can dig it Greg pick is in let's see who they pick I don't have cable sorry yeah we've got a few people on apps here um RJ Barrett RJ Barrett coming to the stage pink suit I'm feeling it silver's pretty tall yeah I miss David Stern being up there I kind of think you need a short commissioner is that a hot take he's the only guy only for basketball um we're getting some RJ Barrett alright so what we've got excellent rebounder for his size um alright we've got him with a nice hook back over Luke May sure good highlight what player comparisons do we think we're going to get from the ESPN crew here in Miller what's his name he's been throwing hard and out there a lot also I wonder rebounds well for his size he's a big war haha and that's why that's seven guard rebounds well for his first Chauncey's player comparison Jalen Rose no right like I don't I feel like RJ is a little better with the rock in his hand no sounds like a no hopefully what's going on in the chat I guess Jalen Rose was hyped uh we had Zach Klein was looking for bull bull yeah we got the chat going right now um how do I say it it's on the side of it teammate selected in the top three Luel Cinder, Lucious Williams, Okafor and Ben Gordon we love that AD and Kip Killfist Jesus um Wiggins and Embiid and Zion and RJ Barrett um if one of you guys has the TV a little loud if we could turn that down a notch get off the damn shit um the Lakers picking at four just made me laugh out loud whoever walks on the stage right now has to wear a Lakers hat even though he's technically being traded from the Pelicans to the Hawks now yeah yeah that's whoa I was fixing my computer yeah he's got to put the Lakers hat on because nothing goes until 6th yeah until July this trade doesn't happen so that's wild that like the Pelicans traded the pick but they don't even have yet so we we have the consensus number three are off the board let's do our first around the horn oh again RJ Barrett Jersey in the building I like that that's the crying Corzingis kid oh it is Rudy go bear with that I don't know who started this pink suit thing but I like it did he wear a pink suit get out of here Rudy Kevin McGovern I'm going left to right on my screen go for it the top three in this draft was the top three number four pick who do you like you a Garland guy you a Deandre Hunter listen I like I like the guys that are flexible and can play a lot of different positions so I am a sucker for just athletic bigs or athletic wings in general Hunter scares me because I just don't think he can score at this level but he's already a pretty good defender he'll be able to you know slot in kind of right away but I I don't know I depends on needs but for me I would probably go Hunter over Garland I'm not as high on him to be honest I don't know what you think about Garland I don't know anything about him classic Hunter like didn't post stats at Virginia but he posted efficiency like 15 and 5 and he shot like 50% from the field he was over 40% from 3 you wonder how much of that had to do with Virginia's offense though Virginia played a very slow methodical basketball game like if you were playing in a more up tempo school maybe you would have put up more stats that's where the NBA is going Kyle Guy potential number one pick next year big baby David on tier watch we got some light tiers from our kind of appropriate tiers not Zion more like crying big baby David who's your four guy in this draft for me it would be Garland I think just after this week I got really into watching his film and I like him I probably have taken him at four if the Knicks were in that spot but I had no problem with Hunter going this high okay that was very assuming that's the guy super well said if you throwing a cuss word or something next time that was like too appropriate Kenny you got to lean on a four guy play that game good Kenny you got to I mean I think all the noise said it's going to be Garland right so I got noise I said they turned it up to get Deandre Hunter oh did they didn't even know that see I was driving here so I missed that but I heard a lot of people like Garland I don't know much about him from what I understand he's he's in the Curry Trey Trey Young mode where he's just launching threes and handling the rock and I think that's where the NBA is going so it's a good place to be but like big baby David said you know maybe it was it was in the govern but you need athleticism and you need athletic wings and I think Tom Piccolo would agree with that if you were here on the podcast surprise surprise I was going to say completing our nights at the round table session talking Nick's body expert and another guy you can argue for the for the fourth most valuable player on this program Tom Jay Piccolo how are you hey guys I'm doing pretty well what did I miss what happened Zion we're like cry on John Moran John Moran did you see the tears Zion Williamson let out I did not I just saw RJ crying with his father which is a beautiful moment and I think it's going to be memorialized in Nick's history at some point so that was great but I did not see Zion crying I didn't see it either was RJ or Zion's cry what the kids mean when they say drip oh good god baby no no no and it well hour six of the Joe Rogan podcast and we're here no Tom he was like leaking out the eyeballs it was actually pretty it was kind of nuts for someone that's known they're the number one pick for the last three months so I'm going to check Twitter now for that I was just spending we just had dinner with my in-laws they celebrated my birthday so I was like guys you have to leave I have to do a podcast so Lakers pick is in for the Lakers are picking for themselves the Lakers pick for New Orleans for the Hawks is in Deandre Hunter nice wow I think they might cancel the AG trade wow hot take from Dave big baby drip Dave Tom we're circling around and we talked about RJ Barrett having appropriate tears as Nick's fans that have been anxious for the past month for the past year I guess miserable for the past year anxious for the past month the Katie stuff happens all of our plans change we have late rumors of Darius Garland we should be happy with RJ Barrett right now yeah is there any disagreement there we should be thrilled that we have RJ Barrett I mean yeah Garland is he's such an unknown at this point I know he played those four games at Vandy and ojik you're a Vandy guy through and through and a guy but at the same time like we saw a huge sample size from RJ Barrett he was the leading scorer in the ACC as a freshman he put up some pretty incredible numbers and he's got great size I'm sure you guys have talked about his body at this point in the pod so I won't even bring it up we saved all the body segments for you if you want to talk about the top four draft picks bodies we're here for it I mean look RJ's got people in comparison to Dimar DeRozan who also does have a great body he's a freak athlete people don't realize I think Dimar was in a dunk contest back in the day and if he wasn't no one's a fact check it so who cares I mean no RJ is he's strong he's smart he's and he wants to be a nick he really wants that he carries himself with that swagger and I'm thrilled for him to be on the team I wish the nicks had the 31st pick in the draft too but we don't need to I mean have you guys already brought up Travis where and has that not come up yet uh we uh we specifically said no Travis where that's me and Tom as we say every podcast um Tom last body question how much would your dad say Jon Marant weigh soaking wet I mean no more than a buck 45 no I was always wearing shoes according to Bill Jon Marant according to Mr. Piccolo with the five nine and a half 145 with weighted shoes on but guys catch me up a little bit here so what is this number four pick with Atlanta how do they did they sneak their way into this or what happened so yeah big baby David you're kind of our transactions guy okay so four two New Orleans in the AD trade and then New Orleans flipped that into 817 and uh early second 35 so now uh they unloaded Solomon Hill in the process so do you think that the bigger part of that was unloading Solomon Hill just from their perspective why wouldn't you want just to stock up as much talent as you can around Zion just young talent um I don't know they get more bites at the Apple as they say but the number four pick is not something you just sort of I mean but people say four through whatever are all the same in this draft yeah five four through thirty four through thirty five and they got three instead of one I can't believe our draft this year I can't believe I can't believe more bites from the Apple is the second dirtiest thing said in this podcast so far um yeah I don't know that uh David yelled penis at one point not a joke not a joke um I wish it was is saying anything good are people listening to him I haven't seen anything great if if you're the Cavs you have to be kind of stoked Garland's there right you pair him with Sexton and you say have fun boys and see what you got in the backcourt Cavs two little guys yeah you got an undersized backcourt but I mean if they can both be if Garland turns into a lesser staff and can knock down shots maybe but yeah you're pretty undersized was that directed at me or the Cavs backcourt that's at the too easy I think you're oversized yeah there's an argument that I could be you could put me on both full statements depending if we're going height and weight um which again brings us back to Kadeem Allen and here we are do we think he's the future no I'm not talking about Kadeem Allen on what's supposed to be a happy night alright have you guys talked about the possibility of moving Frank yet has that come up Frank hasn't been in Tom Tom I was funny I was going through my head a minute ago on who's who's the experts in this chat right now Tom's our body expert Dave's my transaction guy Greg is somehow the swag and the P.A. agreement guy which is rarely seen on a podcast Kevin's Kevin's are give us an opinion outside of New York Ken Poone you are Frank Nealakina expert and lover are we trading are we trading Frank tonight I think it would be weird if we traded Frank for a second round pick which is people have said just because I mean we talked about it earlier in the season before everything went down with all the injuries and stuff that maybe it makes sense to trade him to create some additional cap face but at this point if we don't know what's happening next year and there's a possibility we're just going to still be a rebuilding team selling really low on him doesn't make sense maybe if you get a late first rounder then you have something to work with there but I think if you push it into the second round it begins to make a little bit less sense and Kenny is it is a late first rounder really going to have the kind of upside that Frank has given where he was taken how young he was when he was drafted so how young he still is today and then like just if he's able to figure out if the Knicks can sort of enact any kind of player development then you think that his better than that of a late first round pick I'm very much on that train I was just trying to not be too much of a Frank Homer but I absolutely agree with you still young and I have to believe like if he stated France for another couple years he would be drafted higher than late first round at this point that is an interesting point Kenny if we'd never seen Frank Nealakina play basketball we'd still think he'd have higher potential that was kind of an unnecessary jab who does anyone think Frank is off the team by tonight I saw I think Bagley say he's pretty sure he's safe but I also saw another rumor that the Thunder are trying to move 21 to get off like Roberson's money so maybe there's a taking on Roberson giving them Frank situation yeah I've got the pick is in the Cavaliers here I don't know if I'm delayed compared to anyone very delayed well don't tell I'm on boy oh come on that was a lie they drafted Garland with the all time undersized backcourt screw you guys biggest question though right now is who is Minnesota going to pair with Keita Bates D'op let's not relive last year's nightmare I thought about saying something on your introduction Kevin nightmare it still it still stung my soul um who's up right now Phoenix Cavaliers got Garland I don't know if he was the people's traded for number six yeah exchange for Dario Sarge and 11 so Dario Sarge is on the now yeah 11 Sarge getting tossed around like insert third inappropriate joke this podcast careful so Phoenix unloaded the number six pick yes for 11 and Sarge I don't know like that's just I mean when Phoenix that's what everyone says when Phoenix doesn't like the draft prospects doesn't that seem like something's up no they got they got Sarge though they're always wrong though they're always wrong just whatever your guts tell your opposite um take Jarrett Clover take Kobe white take I mean I don't know I think that there's still some talent left on this board and by 11 I'm not so sure because you'll be in the you'll be even past the camera territory at that point but I think in this part of the draft you're still you still have some good prospects they got Sarge though Sarge is good you guys do love Sarge maybe Phoenix maybe some size maybe Phoenix just doesn't give a who they get from 6 to like 12 they think they're all the same whichever ones left they'll just take I'm telling you 4 to 35 all the same Phoenix just cut their whole scouting department to save some money and was like we're gonna trade for Sarge I'm comfortable saying Phoenix doesn't give a shit that's just cross the board I don't think they do don't worry about life yeah I don't know like I kind of like Kobe White running in Phoenix but apparently Minnesota is on the board and what do they need everything who's still there Kevin it's just Wiggins Towns and Cada Bates they've got a decent front court so maybe picking up a point guard is not a bad idea pairing with Derek Rose I don't think they picked a guard you know that guy I mean I don't know to be honest the T Wolves are in a weird spot to me it's like they're a little bit behind on going full rebuild mode but they haven't fully committed to it so I'm a little mixed bag right now with the T Wolves we're thinking T Wolves okay we're running it back we're seeing Barrett and his dad celebrate nice fist pump RJ have a little brother who's that guy do we get him if we draft RJ what are the rules the JR Smith Christmas situation I think oh my god that's too soon so we do we do get him at least so yeah the 11 pick and sorry honestly I don't hate that if you again we're giving the sons credit for making a transaction which is horrifying but if you genuinely couldn't tell the difference between prospects 6 through 12 and you can get Dario Sarge that could be alright and you save money on the pick which matters to them I don't know where you guys are but the Cavaliers are about to pick Tom's watching the 2011 draft they took Kyrie wow I mean he seems like he could be problematic in the clubhouse but the guy can play Kev you want to give us like I'll give you till the sons pick is in to give us a Celtics update of what's going to happen with that so word on the street is that they're probably going to try and package all of their picks no I have no idea total chaos right now I don't think A plan B's have blown up and so we're in a little bit of a scramble mode I think actually what I did here is that they were trying to make a trade last night with a few of those draft picks to move up they apparently really liked Hunter but clearly that didn't happen so to be honest I have no idea where they're going to go right now I mean D are you in the mode of that they're going to add more young talent and almost like go into a little bit more of a rebuild or do you think they're going to bring in bodies or a little column A column B I think that they're probably going to get back to the roots and just have a bunch of bad players and be really good rather than have good players and be bad over the fence I mean a lot of the conversation that was going I don't know if you guys listen to Kendrick Perkins at all and some of the stuff that he does it's not great but I have some interesting insight which is that a lot of the team basically thought that you know if they had listened to Brad Steven they would have won more games right Al Horford also said that too I think he reiterated that the other day and so I think the prevailing feeling is that like listen you've got a superstar pretty much in your head coach who can do a lot with a little so just give these guys a chance and see where we go so I'm okay with that to be honest it was hard to why they were real tough to watch last year Kyrie's awesome you're talking to a bunch of nicks fans yeah you had optimism and no expectations we had very high expectations pick is in that was talking so thank you Kevin that's it and I'll be signing off Jarrett is it Jarrett Culver it is so I'm looking through wojas tweets here and so five minutes ago he said Minnesota is on the clock for number six and still on the phones disgusting trade propositions and I guess that's smart but it does seem kind of like some last minute scrambling it's like shouldn't you have done this it traded up to immediately try to trade back sorry that would be that would be such a nightmare for the NBA if teams were just trying to make like just trying to gain like two like trying to get one second around picking value like if we move up to six from 13 and then trade back down to 14 can we pick up a second but I guess they landed on Jarrett Culver so Chicago is next this is if you spoil the draft just a heads up I would murder you should we talk about Culver before moving on to Chicago I mean does anyone have who's got who thinks they're the highest on Jarrett Culver so I watched very limited college basketball and I saw Jarrett overplay and I liked him I like them a lot so in the final four he looks like he could be good but he missed every single shot exactly that's exactly what I'm saying he shrunk yeah but missing shots doesn't worry me that much that's why I'm a Frank fan I like to consider myself the missed shot expert on the program and Culver I don't know I've got a couple red flags obviously in his biggest games he kind of mushed I also think Texas Tex coach is like the next dude in college basketball which I don't know if you put that in a good column or a bad column if Jarrett Culver leaned into that coaching we just talked about the trouble the Celtics had last year I think you could say that as a good thing we've got Chauncey's player comp Jimmy Butler I mean is that Jimmy Butler without any of the stuff because that'd be a great place I'm pretty sure it's because it's with the stuff oh really BBD I don't know I haven't done my joke well David the floor is yours because we haven't heard enough from you it seems like a joke you have to have night treatment I'm having a good time I'm having a good time the next ended up exactly how I expected it to end up I don't really care about 55 so yeah okay this night's win yeah I think for talking Nick's purposes maybe we run through the Bulls pick and then we start licking our wounds a little bit and Jarrett Culver's last three games were pretty rough field goal percentage wise they weren't the biggest three games of his career though right against Gonzaga he was 5 for 19 that's 26 percent for 19 points though he got to the free through line against Michigan State he was 3 for 12 for 10 points and then against Virginia he was 5 for 22 and you know what I respect getting up 22 shots even when you're not hitting that's right what Darius Garland did in college since we're throwing out college fans and how important they are well actually I missed it on the way through before but they showed Darius Garland highlights and one of them was literally in our high school jam I think that was at New Milford yeah which I mean Poppy Gordo New Milford I feel like David is just looking for keywords and then saying just saying the word and putting three more with him damn he's learned pretty well for me he's leading the fun that's my whole life I feel like it's the new sexy thing to rip on the bulls the bulls for Jim Boylan for just all of their general transactions does anyone like anything going on in Chicago I mean Cory's a good talent right he's had a great year hopefully he doesn't fade wow Courtney Lee Ripped sorry you can keep going sorry I'm looking at Courtney Lee's Instagram how do Porter Jr's on the bulls I mean you got Zach Levine you've got the goat Robin Lopez former Celtics great Walt Lemon Jr I mean you got some ass people on that team homerun Walt Lemon Jr who hit the homer Greg 3 run shot 4-0 he said Gary I felt like I was too short to get two men on days Tom anything on Chicago Wendell Carter Jr was pretty good before he got hurt did they need a point guard is it Kobe White it's going to be Kobe White Zach Levine Zach Levine's not a traditional point guard or like a winning basketball player from what I can see Devin Booker Bucket Gitter type yeah he's a Devin Booker Bucket Gitter that's hard to say Kevin Kevin try and say that Devin Booker Bucket Gitter you made it look easy you put a little too much Boston on that one oh my god Kobe White watch him all day that wasn't even he's not the answer I don't think I mean he had some great games against the Knicks but other than that I don't think he was all that good greatest player in the history of NBA Devin Nuwaba has had some games against the Knicks I feel like history won't look back kindly on Kobe White's hair I don't know if that's a hot take that being said Elford Payton style if I could rock it I would rock it it actually affected his shot this late in the night don't get me going about Elford Payton I don't know boys I think this is getting into a slippery slope where if we don't cut it off it will be the Joe Rogan podcast and we'll be breaking down international players we have no idea about let's do a quick around the horn maybe a Knicks thought and another thought on NBA Draft Night so of course we start with our Boston guy Kevin McGovern you got it listen I'm happy for you guys it's the right pick it was the only pick to make and honestly I'm excited to seeing a guy who really wanted to be a Knick and a player of his caliber it's exciting so I'm pumped for you guys I'm fucking frustrated with what Danny Angel is doing we're not trading up now I have no idea what we're gonna do because sitting where we're at now just a terrible idea we can't make all three of those picks so we'll see how it goes boring thank you Kevin you got it no that was your kind words we're welcome we thank you it was good seeing your face and hearing you once we could hear you it was great yeah took some time big baby David you have seemingly fallen into another word of baseball and like quick shot statements how are you in the draft uh Knicks they didn't do anything stupid they did the thing they were supposed to do that's good and it was unexpected from the Knicks for the last like year I always expected the bad or weird thing to happen and as far as not Knicks thoughts Zion brought the drip tonight thank you that is tough to follow Greggy you are next in my camera view can you follow that even no really I'm glad the Knicks picked RJ I hope they pick up another pick somewhere you know get a Mitchell Robinson type early in the second round we're late in the first whatever um it's all like truly all I got I mean all these teams that are picking are bad the Pelicans though we'll be talking a lot of Pelicans this year I'm sure talking Pels Kenny Knupp you've got us on mute if you're not I can go to Tom but if you want to let it rip I'll let it rip I think I agree with everyone RJ Barrett was the only option and we took it I think I disagree with Big Baby David as far as what the Knicks have done still early so they still have a lot of time to do something stupid let's not that's true draft generally it's like Zion more like Cryon you know what I mean I thought you were going to say you disagreed with Big Baby David and Zion didn't bring the trip and that was going to be furious Tommy the anchor of our relay the 4x400 and on Talking Knicks what's up bud so one thing I don't know that we discussed was what the Knicks starting lineup is going to look like next year with this edition of RJ Barrett they keep listing him as a shooting guard I always think of him more of a wing in general I mean is the backcourt going to look like Dennis Smith Jr. Alonzo Trier RJ Barrett Kevin Knox and Mitchell Robbins and then the full line will be with Mitchell Robbins is that what we're looking at for a starting lineup that one's even worse when you say it out loud I don't think they're they have a lot of cap today that they're going to do something with whether it's a one year deal or a long term deal and someone is getting that money Roberson starting at the two spot I would never have a Trier but I think Dotson would start I mean he would be the starter and Trier would be kind of like the the guy the scorer off the bench but yeah so Dennis Smith Jr and Dotson, RJ Barrett, Kevin Knox Mitchell Robinson I mean that's a terrible team but it's it's kind of exciting it'd be a team I'd enjoy watching for a few games but for wanting to come out I think yeah I think I was going to say something that would have just been too high of expectations Kenny you mentioned the cap space the Knicks are still going to bring in some bodies I'd like some bodies that can help these guys play real human basketball instead of Nick's instead of Nick's son's basketball maybe late Charlotte moving up but like I don't know every time we say we talk about cap space just sort of like it's out there I need more concrete stuff who specifically are even options the thing is it doesn't matter one of them will be a starter over some of those guys at the league we only have I think it does matter we only have six guys under contract so you know we can get another six guys and we could pay another six guys over ten million dollars each to come or we can pay three guys twenty million dollars and one guy ten million dollars we're going to get better players that have lots of career to start but there's a fine line because some of these players who are good enough to earn even like earning that kind of money are going to want and demand multiple years and the Knicks don't seem to be in a place where they're going to be offering a lot of multiple year contracts so it's a really tricky dance where you want these players like Jake said teach them how to play normal human basketball but they're not so good that they won't be demanding multi year contracts we've seen it in the past I know you guys will say like JJ Redick it's not that common there's a bunch more people like that who've done that who've gone that route so that's why I'm always curious about like who specifically would be willing to take these short contracts or is it a situation where the Knicks are taking really bad contracts off of the hands of other teams in exchange for draft assets we can do that we can get KCP we can get one year one year away from the next level of max Jackson Hayes to New Orleans Tom he's got the Sideshow Bob Hare with the Sideshow Bob Necklace that's what I'm talking about Tom I think you're all over it and I think what you're all over is our next episode of Talking Knicks because now we have to start actually talking bodies now that RJ Barrett is in the building we'll see if there's any second round picks that make us change our thoughts at all max out Harrison Barnes just putting it out there for one year you're talking about for one year no no we're going to find a way to get to work for five for maxing out Harrison Barnes lifetime I'll pay him like max money spread across five years so like 20 something million dollars across the five years give him partial ownership I think we save it boys I think I think the dream would be one over pay and one guy going forward knowing the Knicks we'll be watching Noah Von Lea fellas now we're probably going to get Kawai and Kyrie if I was honest with you guys there you go I just want to say it was great seeing how many guys are in here there's like 25 guys reminds me of college dorm room boys it was good seeing so many smiling faces that's something you want to get off your chest let it rip you're talking about Kyle though how is Kyle oh boy Kenny's mic's going out a little bit Jackson Hayes shot 73% from the field it's better than me Jared Colbert my dog starting to get mad at us for everyone that's been watching live we thank you if you're listening on the Talking Next we also thank you too and as we were just alluding to now that RJB is in the building we got to start talking about who we think would pair who we think we can pair and who we'll actually end up with I think that's next podcast for Kevin, David, Greg, Ken, Tom, RJ Barrett, Cryon, Zion, Noodle and 5'9 1.5 140 pound Jamerat we thank you and let's go next