 The people gonna be like where's the halo coverage just like look okay What can you? Well, oh, yeah, that show zone, hey Yeah, yeah, it is it is that kind of want to watch it. It seems like it's bad I Would I would not recommend it. I don't think that there's much value to be pulled from it I don't even think it's like, ha, it's so funny to watch and laugh at. I don't think it has that value. But then again, I really like Halo. So for me, it's pain, just constant pain. See, I'm enjoying how bad Picard season two is. It's incredibly bad. I don't I find it hard to extract entertainment out of seeing something I like get pillaged. It's it's really hard to be tough. It's even for like a weird spectrum where you can go from laughing at it to being like actually sad or hurt. And then if it's hideously bad, you can maybe go back to laughing at it again. I think a lot of it for me with this is like, man, you had such a you have like an opportunity that a lot of people would have really liked to have had. You had a lot of money. You have like all the money you needed to execute basically any idea you could ever want, like there's no limitations really for you. And and yes, you know. Yeah, I don't know. It's just a really like it's I think I think it's interesting to me. I I need to go watch. I don't need to. But like I'm going to like I'm going to be watching Sonic 2 probably sometime this week. And I find it very amusing that like I expect Sonic 2 to be a much more faithful adaptation of Sonic. Then then at the very least, may well be like stronger just in terms of its writing, which is really funny to me. Yes, Sonic the Hedgehog, you know, it's really strong and consistent writing. Well, I don't expect that much, but, you know, compared to Halo, it's like it's so it's makes me sad. I mean, I picture that if they had anybody on set who knew the game pretty well, they probably gave up pretty quick with the inaccuracy, you know, they're probably like, I know you guys are fuck you guys. Yeah, you know, oh, so OK. Something that's by the way, like I mentioned it before before we started. But in the second episode, Chief has his helmet off, like 95 percent of the time that we see him. I think that it was a deliberate choice for the first episode would not persist throughout the rest of the series. Oh, my mic is going bad. Is it the static has returned? No. Unplug, replug. And we're aware of crusty fringing. Oh, she has. Has that fixed the problem all this time? No, no, I know you started up. Oh, yeah, we're live. Everyone can hear all the horrible things. You just know when did that happen? Well, this is we've been live for 13 years. All right, stop. We're thinking this is the lucky year now for 13 years. Yeah, I mean, screaming. How are we doing now? Better. OK, you better. What was I saying? Oh, yeah. His helmet's off 95 percent of the time now. So that was that was definitely a choice that they made for the first episode. And now we see, I think, going forward, it is a reasonable expectation that we are going to spend a lot of time the chief without his helmet on, without without even his armor on. There's a good chunk of time when we just see him with his armor. He just took it off somehow like a dress or something. It's like some sort of screen. Oh, yeah, it's fine. Well, they did off screen. Yeah, so so like he just some he goes to like a space station built into an asteroid and he just like take like, I don't know, he just takes off his armor and just puts it to the side. And it's like, how is that even possible that you can do this? Like, I thought that you had to go to a specific facility to put on and off the armor with, like, you know. Well, it's like half the time without it. Yeah, very heavy boy. Yeah. And I like as well how it's he's gone to meet this guy who is like the one person. He the guy that he meets as a guy who ran away from the Spartan program. And he's in the space station that's filled with people who clearly don't like Spartans or like the UNSC. And he just decides to like put his armor off to the side. It'd be really funny if he went back and it was gone. Someone had taken it. Well, yeah, it's probably interesting for the UNSC fugitive. Didn't really care about the UNSC ship boarding his fucking area. Well, yeah, because he comes in. He comes in with a pelican and nobody asked for clearance or anything. He just kind of comes on and nobody knows. And it's like, are you telling me that there's not like a guy who monitors this on this station to make sure who's coming in and out? Like why would there not be a guy whose job that is? So instead he comes on walks through the doors and all the people like, oh, look, a Spartan, let's put a forklift in front of him. Forklift in front of you. And then he just pushes it to the side. It's a really weird scene. Also, we shouldn't be talking about that. That's the whole point is we're not talking about it. All right, because hello, bad. The card season two bad from what I hear Moon Night. A lot of Moon Night. Hold on, season two is amazing. OK. How much do you know about it? Only what Red Letter Media have said. I experienced that show vicariously through Mike and Rich. OK, so. They have been sent back in time by Q. And by they, I mean all the contracted actors for from season one. None of the cards, actual friends, of course. So they've all been sent back in time. Oh, no, no. There's an alternate universe where the federation is fascist and the timeline diverged in twenty twenty four. So they have to go back in time. That's almost the year that it is now. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. It's Biden's fault in Canon. What a coincidence. The reason why they did that, like because of budget, because it's easy to shoot in just like the regular world that it is to make like a Star Trek show. It's actually why Star Trek was famous for for not shooting in spaceships constantly. That's what it's really known for. But what's what's interesting, though, is that as soon as they get to twenty twenty four, each character goes off and does their own storyline because seven and Rafi are off doing an environmental thing. Rios is a banana phone guy. Rios gets picked up by ice and is and he's they call it disappeared. Ice disappears people in twenty twenty four. It disappears people. Yes. OK. They don't deport and they disappear them. So he's on a bus and he's being just disappeared to a disappearing location. And they have to rescue him. So there's they're doing all the possible modern day current day topics in one show. And it's fine. It's really entertaining. And I'm sure they can. Yeah, I'm sure they can handle that. No, dude, it's such a it's such a hilarious train wreck. I'm enjoying it so much. Do you at least watch it with people to laugh with them? Oh, yes. Yes, of course. Thank you guys. You know, I gotta have your health and consideration. OK. Yeah, we watch together. We it's a fun time for us. Yeah, I was going to say somehow in this era of a bunch of TV shows coming out, Marvel is currently on top. What a jagged line of, you know, of our interest in caring and not caring and hatred. It's oh, man, and it's and it's not even that Moon Knight is like great or anything. It's just like this is got aspects of it. They don't need. Yeah. Yeah, there's some level of artistry here, God forbid. And it has a good actor. I mean, it's it's very much held up by by Oscar Isaac as for the writers we shall see. We'll see. Well, of course, there's yeah, what was kind of hanging on a cool premise right now. And then interesting, yeah, interesting ideas, but how it all ties together in the end. That's what to say, right? We will have to see. And yeah, there'll be things for us to talk about as time goes on. You will get if you have coverage of Halo and Moon Knight, probably not because season two, since none of us are watching it. But, you know, there you go. You probably guess it's not very good. Which which takes us to we should probably just get on with today's wonderful little topic. Last week, we ventured into the world of our relevant and we penetrated the Tardation. See, the thing is that he was not the only streamer to react to Jay's video. He was the weakest of our three villains. Yes, we have that he's like the villain is the supervillain, then there's the hyper villain. He's like the he's like the one henchman who doesn't have any particular personality other than being just a MOOC henchman. But he's got like he's got a scratch on his face. Yeah, yeah, some very minor physical characteristic that sets him apart from the others. He has like an accent or an interesting history where he's from. Yeah, if he speaks at all. Oh, I oh, I think that's already taken it too far. We don't know anything about his history. He's just around. He's just distinguishable from the other complicated. Like he's a pirate. Oh, like he has an eye. Oh, he's like a pirate. He's my pirate henchman. You know, he's a little more special. Yeah. Being a pirate is a hook for this analogy is actually pretty accurate to the eyes. But they is anyway. Have you ever have you ever been on an old sailing ship like a recreation of one? I've been pretty sure I've been on like the ones that I've had and kept. I don't think I've been I've been on a recreation of one. I think I've been an actual one. Was it on the water? Yeah, I'm on the move in on the water. Yeah, on the water. And it's interesting to see the little compartments that they had to sleep in. It's like, here's your hole. It's it's only big enough for you. Maybe not even have fun for the next nine months. However long it takes to get to Australia back then. Nine months, the one I went to was a it was a recreate. You know, the I guess I don't know if you guys know them as famously the Nina, the Pinta and the Santa Maria. The I don't know about the Santa Maria. Yeah, yeah, I was they were they are superheroes, but they are also little little boats, little sailing ships. And they had a recreation of, I believe, the Nina. It's just little bitty little big ship with, you know, it's sales and it smelled like tar. And it was a recreation of the actual one, as far as I know. And if it's just a little ship of water, I remember at school when they were talking about like the first fleet, because you'd have to learn about like the first fleet when they came to Australia in 1777, I believe. So it's actually a year after you fell as declared your independence. I wonder if there is any correlation in terms of the timing. And they they showed us these little biscuits that they made that they had to eat on the ship that had like no taste were incredibly tough. And because they ate all of these, it was scurvy. That was a big problem when they were coming over here because I had these shitty biscuits that they had like no nutrients at all. Hard tack, is that what it's called? That might be that might be what it was. Yes, maybe have hard. Oh, God, I have. OK, have you guys ever watched Steve 1989? Am I info? Oh, no, no, I did see Jurassic Park, though. Oh, yes. OK, so this is a YouTuber who eats really old rations like army rations. Oh, I know. Yeah, I've seen. Yeah, I've recommended it before. So he he's eaten like 1800 era hard tack. He's eaten rations from the 1940s and the Second World War. That's the only time I've ever seen hard tack in in a video or anything was watching him eat the stale cracker from 200 years ago. I watched Jonathan Townsend. He does 18th century cooking stuff. And so that's that's where I learned about, you know, first saw someone making an eating hard attack, which is like which is like a rock cracker, essentially. Yeah, that will keep you from not dying. Oh, it was useful. It doesn't even have the the the delicious savory quality of Pemicon. It is very, very low on the what you want to eat, Jane. But you will not die on your miserable journey across the water. Well, it's just interesting when you talk about the length of the journey, because I think to get to America wasn't at three months to get here. It was nine months. It's a very long trip. Yes, it was very, very long. I'll see you very step. Oh, fuck's sake. But yes, they actually went on several adventures. Reacting to a lot of these people on live streams. You can actually see and I think some people actually have when we mentioned it last week, who this person is. Jay's already reacted to their coverage and had a discussion with them live. And then they made a video regarding the situation. All of that will be gone over today. And my goodness, you guys are going to be enlightened as to how the events went. I don't know why this all happened, but we can assume because of cloud chasing, obviously, that there was a level of defensiveness as to Jay being critical of what is a revenue source for many on Twitch. And a lot of defenses are often brought out and we're here today to check out the second of the three that we're going to look at, because my God, you'd have to stop eventually. Don't worry, Sitch will arrive at some undetermined point and for real catch right up. And yeah, I mean, there's nothing really more else to say other than this video that I cut together will likely give you all the stuff you need. All right. So do we do we just do we watch this or do we comment on? Do I need to leave? You can leave. I've got my chair. I want to go. That's all right. All right. A brief intro to Denim's. Yes, who I guess this is more so a brief intro into the idea here is I'm going to give you a clip of where do we go? God damn it. You know, and everybody panic. Don't I want all dead. I won't panic. I'm not dead. What happened? I got very scared for a moment there. Don't worry. Oh, my goodness. All right. Here we are. He's someone in charge of a clip. Oh, I think they're very scared. That's the sound you make for when you like a mouse. Yes, it's easy to go. Clip. Rags, your poultry intake seems low. Are you OK? Yeah, you need some. I need some nuggies. Good to know. I seems well. I do know a bit about Denim's from before this stream. She seems rather ridiculous and she's, you know, she's she exists over in her own area of the Internet with her own and her own Lord, her own drama and her own stupidity. Really? There's yes. She she is a known quantity. She's not just, you know, a known quantity. Yes. Yes. She is a discovered amount. Yes. Do you have any information that would be interesting or enlightening? Because I really don't have much on her other than the impression that I've gotten, which is not good. Yeah, she is she is your generic Twitch Bimbo Socialist. I watched her and Destiny debate at one point and Destiny absolutely dumpstered her. And I know it was kind of embarrassing to watch, actually. Well, what I will say is that by the time you get through the information I have gathered regarding her, you'll know that I would have known about it all the up to now. And I can say her intelligence is not impressive. That is that is where I can put it. Well, here's the thing, though, because she's she's quite physically attractive. And I think that's all that doesn't have anything on the Internet. I'm going to say, no, what do you mean? She I'm sure she's a very hard worker. OK, you know what? I can prove to you that she's a hard worker. What I have placed at the beginning of this video is to give you an idea of the kind of streamer we're dealing with. And it might also inform why she's decided to comment on all this with Jay Axe. Who knows why exactly I'm just saying maybe we'll click right at the beginning. He'll give you a little little idea. Have a look. See. I RL back. They may have noticed that I will be back. I should be done getting ready by the end of this video. Smile. Oh. She just playing someone's video while she does her makeup or whatever. Yes. And if you'll note, Jesus Christ, everything that she used. Wow, that's 13 minutes of a video. That's a 13 minute video. She didn't say a word. Yeah, like, it's not even a chat. There's not even a chair. It's not even a chair. Why don't you start your stream 15 minutes fucking later? Because you need viewers to write. You got to you got to make sure you get that content out the door. So what we have learned already is that she's the same as if not worse than her son. Wow. What I what I like to do is when I'll start to stream up, I will actually wait 15 minutes just to let people kind of come in before I really get going. Right. I'm here sometimes. But you know what I'll do? I'll like have a timer. I'll play music. Sometimes I'll talk with people. You know, like, I'm not going to just hear and play other people's content. Why? Why not? Fuck it. Why not? That's that's the Twitch meta I've heard. Yes. So, um. Does the backpack cost two thousand five hundred dollars? Well, I'm not familiar with the backpack economy. No backpack. You buy should be twenty five hundred dollars. I feel like when it comes to play, I think I feel like plateau for the quality of backpacks. You know, it's it goes up and up and then it just sort of flat lines. Yeah, diminishing returns on the backpack. Like, I guess for like a point, yeah, like a backpacking backpack, you know, like the ones that backpackers have when they go around the world. But those costs two and a half thousand dollars. Right. Absolutely. A simple meme. I do not. Maybe it is. Maybe it is a meme. Yeah, I do know that those backpacks are not that much as an owner of one, but they're not quite twenty five hundred dollars. A goal, a golden crust backpack. I'm sure that'll do you wonders when you go. It will because it does actually because gold doesn't rest, which is going to be very important for when you're out there. Hiking down the mountain is not going to be helpful when you're like you're walking through the city and it's just like, hi, look at me. I'm just a simple travel. Oh, this my gold backpack. This is where you're wrong, Fringy, because if ever if ever you're out in the world, if you travel to Mexico or Mozambique or wherever you might go with your backpack, you always have gold, acceptable currency, no matter where you are. You can always break off a little piece that gold just in case. It's like a little survival. Yeah, OK. Hey, look, all right, the gold standard. All right. You know, exactly. A new gold standard, my backpack specifically. So as long as you're not robbed and murdered, then you could use that gold backpack to pay your way as you go. By the time you get home, it's just it's just a little canvas, a little canvas bag, because all the gold's gone. But if all the gold's gone, you've got no backpack. So how are you going to like transport all your goods to all the places? You use the goods as you go. It's like a plane, right? How a plane knows how much gas to have. So when it lands, it's it doesn't have much gas left. Yeah, right. It's the same with these backpacks. You've got to you've got to ration out the gold. It a plan and it a plan is very important. That's how we do it. Choice of goal for Twitch stream of the golden backpack. Yeah, but all right. Golden backpacks. All socialists should have a golden back. I'm down with them. I'm down with the proletariat. All right. I know the struggle of having to break off enough of your backpack made of gold through the day. The point is that it's a streaming backpack for streaming. Streaming backpack. The point of this clip here is just to show you just how much video is being played while, if you notice, she's not even got a headset on. And then someone else happened. What a story. The story. This is what I'm doing. A great story. It makes us so much better. This is just why you take two of them and run me out to the end. Do they kill these? So someone you'll learn about EFAP compared to others. We tend to rewide what we miss. Just saying. Just put it out there. Also, this is exceptional. I'm the whole. I can't hear her. Oh, no, no. Is she pulling a sargon? Soundcheck. Now I'm sure I got it right. I think we've all done this at one point or another. Let's be fair. This is probably the best commentary. Sorry. Why am I muted? I don't even I don't need. I didn't even mute myself. I'm so mauled. Being so mauled. What is that? Which language? Longar. Yes. Anyway, that's that's Zoomer stuff. Yeah, it's just a bit like Martin Maul. So it's this will be the beginning of the adventure now where she discovers this dark video. A react contents room or you hold on a second. Let me just. OK. So the chat's actually asking what's what's what's mold. It's it's a portmanteau of mad and old. And it's it's Zoomer Lingo. And I'm old. I'm so old mad. I'm so mad. And is it like you're a boomer and you don't know how to use technology or something? Is that meant to be and you're mad about it? Yes, you're mad and old. Yeah. OK. I didn't know it. Well, thank you. Oh, man, you learn something new every day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they say it's the same with it with molding, right? Because molding is mad and balding. I've never heard of mad and balding. I thought what what is it when like a lizard is like I want to shed and then shed the skin. What's that's molding. OK. So when you're shedding and all animals can malt, right? That's what it's called. OK. Yeah, that's why. Yeah, all top is generally just it's slang for a pet store. I thought I'm white. What's what was it? You know, in Scooby-Doo, when they're like, we're going to when they go to get like the milk. You said for pets. Why are you that was a joke about. So here's the problem, Braggs. The malt shop, we never had those here. So I'm just trying to figure things out. No one has them because they don't exist anymore. Chops disappear in like the 1950s. Well, that's what I'm saying is lasted up until the 70s. Well, yeah, in Scooby-Doo, they went to the malt shop. And that was in the 60s, right? When Scooby-Doo started. Yeah, yeah, and Daphne and Freddie and the two Gluttons would consume would just consume sandwiches forever. Just so the end of time. Got your static back, I'm afraid. Yeah, your statics back. Yeah, the teak. Man, maybe this is just me. Maybe I'm just an old man, but I hate zoomer lingo. Oh, I think I see. I don't like it either. I thought you were going to say you hate malt. Hey, bitch. Hello to you too, Daphne. I just come right in. He's like. The current zoomer lingo is mid for something that you don't like. And I fucking hate it. No, mid means that it's a that's mid. People are using it now to just mean bad now, though. It's already evolved. Yeah, I can't catch up with this. It's like that's mid. It means that's bad. I'm just like, I hate I hate I hate zoomers. Can we outlaw them or just get rid of them all? Is this what our parents felt like when we didn't use groovy? I mean, I'd still use groovy when they hit a groovy thing. Dude, with my parents, it was cool. It took them ages to like, they were like, what is cool? What does that even mean? There's cold. And I was like, no, no, no, that it's it's good. It is acceptable. Yeah, your parents didn't know it was cool. Nice to be talking about when I was like, you know, super young. So yeah, cool was new. Yeah, but even when I was super young, my parents knew what cool was. Well, your parents were cooler than mine. Well, your parents didn't have a mic over which one's the most the most groovylicious and tubular and radical. So that's more of a radical. It's pretty great. I got to say radical, bodacious. Well, also, since you've barely missed a thing, actually, we're about to start the adventure. I know I was listening a little bit of a radical. But yes, we're at the point where Denim's discovers that she's going to watch a video. OK, she's finished putting up a chat. So you remember wizard like that's pretty wizard. That's not a thing. That wasn't a thing to me. I just made that over here. No, that was a thing. That was a thing. No, no, no, no, no, you're lying. It wasn't a thing for that was some area. That was the 2000s, early 2000s, I think it was popularized by Final Fantasy and Harry Potter. That's totally wizard. I thought it was popular. I thought it was popularized by episode one. Ever said one is the Phantom Menace. Yeah. Yeah, and it uses that as a kid in the game and that in that movie as a kid in the game. Sorry, as a kid in that movie. Does he say something is wizard? Yes. Does he remember this? Does he? Yes, he does. You remember it was because I'm I'm blanking. I do not. This is so wizard. And yeah, one of his friends says that to him when he's like building his pod. Really? Fucking hell. I might have just blanked that every single time I watch it. Are you sure this isn't? Oh, yeah, sure enough, it is. If you type in Anakin wizard and go to images, it's Annie and his little slave friend. Oh, my God. It's so wizard. A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. That's so wizard was the phrase to denote something being very cool. Is that offensive to Jedi? It's an offensive to wizard. There was some old VHS tape that I always run from Blockbuster called The Wizard about a kid who played video games. Do you ever see this? I'm aware of that. Yeah, the Mario 3, yeah. Yes. At the end of it, they're like, we're going to have a video game competition competition and then have to play Mario 3. And everyone's like, oh, my God, this game is new. I remember Wizard by Ralph Bakshi, Wizards from 1973. I remember this movie, such because that's where that's where they had the power glove is like, yes, yes. Yes. And the movie was just a big marketing ploy for Mario 3, because that game hadn't come out. It all movies, right? It's something. Yeah, I had a little kid. What's that kid's name? That was a kid from the Wonder Years, wasn't it? Yeah. And he had like an autistic little brother who was playing games or something. Yeah, of course. The autistic is the regular gamer. Yeah, this is the average this is the average gamer. They were like, I got I got to step out for like two minutes to grab food. I'm going down to the the Dollar Meets. The Dollar Meets. Oh, yeah, all the memes about you are going to be about Dollar Meets. Dollar Meets. Do you subscribe to the Dollar Meets Club? The Dollar Meets Club. Every month they send you sharp new meat in the mail. Oh, it's all like, no, like sweating through the mail. Like, oh, jeez. They don't they don't even wrap it in wax paper. It's just paper. Yeah, it's all gooey and icky. Oh, we have a dollar meat club has many connotations to it, the Dollar Meets Club. Like it's a gay porno mag for poor people. Poor gay people, this is a market, I'm sure of it. Speaking of poor gay people, we were watching Twitch. Yes, we were. Let's just enjoy and mute myself. I'm so mulled. Being a react content streamer, you you're like so. I mean, all streamers on some level are so disincentivized for from like leaving their computer and. I think when the apocalypse happens, these people will be the absolute first to die. You say that because of what she said or just in general? Like just in general, just just Twitch streamers like this. They will be the first to absolutely just perish in any sort of crisis. It was an alternative because what she just said was the Twitch streamers are incentivized to never leave their seats and basically saying that she is at the whims of whatever, you know, survival tells her to do. And thus, in a zombie apocalypse type situation, she would just start eating her friends. She'd be like, I'm sorry, but like this is all that I can do. There's only two options in the material universe. I can eat you or I cannot eat you. A relevant told me all about the options I have as a human being for which there are two. Very strange that they think that is the one I should you. There's enough to just say I'm incentivized. Like, yeah, there's there's more steps to that. We're incentivized to do a lot of things. She she could be incentivized to make her bed considering it's going to be right in the middle of the frame. Oh, yeah. Is her bed on the there? There is a wood frame underneath it, right? It's not just. Yeah, there's a wood frame there. Oh, it's not like Jared or anything. Why were you going to judge her like, wow, she's put her mattress string the floor. What? Yeah, I was going to do that. Yeah. God. That's pretty much what I was going to have. It's just what a frame like I do. Yeah, I don't know what my bed frame is. I know it's broken on the bottom a little bit. Hmm. When you're a react streamer, there are people. There are so many people who hate react streamers just because they're react streamers, like I don't think so. I don't know because they react to things. That seems really weird to hate. Yeah, I think it's because you're going to show us why. Yeah. Hold on. No, I disagree. I think it's because the react streamers I genuinely do. Well, I think react streamers are fucking cancer with not us. We are everywhere else. I was going to say, what is how do we defining a react streamer here? OK, so do you recall the kerfuffle with the react trademark like five or 10 years? Yeah, the five rows. Yeah, that's shit. So like that was kind of the the optics nail at first nail, not the last, but the first nail in the coffin of the whole react thing. But these are people like when I hear react streamer and we're talking about denims here, specifically, these are people who like you. OK, hold on. I want to word this properly, because even as I hate them, I enjoy some anime react streamers. And as I've watched them and felt guilty about, I've wondered why. I felt like I'm doing this. That's just because he was guilty. God damn it. But I've like this is cancerous content. Why am I enjoying this? And it's because I'm not there to watch what they're watching. I'm there to watch their reaction of what is being watched, but only their reaction and almost always their reaction is. And then that's the end of the video. And it's like, oh, great. I got to I got to vicariously experience somebody else being happy because I don't feel very happy right now. And then I changed my life and I felt happier. So when you when you watch a person who is analyzing content, it seems like that's probably pretty healthy. If you're just there to watch somebody else laugh because you're sad, I think that's like that's like a terrible situation. And I think these people are basically because I am sad. I feel like this didn't explain the why to people. Do people hate react streamers? Yeah. Yeah. OK, well, I'm I feel like you try to free you. There's one more point or bridge or bridge climbing with death. OK, all right. I think these people are exploitative. But they're a subset of a wider genre. Are you saying they're infecting the genre? They're making us all look bad. Well, but no, but I don't think we should be considered react streamers. Well, by that every 10 seconds of analyzing the video, we're not just yes, we're analysis streamers. We we have to say, well, that's a pretend. No, no, I would consider the people who we react to just call them preact streamers because we react to them in a very subtle way. Are you going to react to my phone? That's actually not my phone. That is my I have a magnetic egg timer on my fridge. And that goes off because I put a drink drinklage in the freezer and I turn that thing to 30 minutes so that I know it is extremely cold. And I do not leave it in there and it becomes frozen. You know that your dollar meats have finished cooking. I know that my dollar meats are done. My dollar meats are frozen. So the only way I can eat done decomposing. It's the only way you can eat them when they're a dollar meat is to just freeze it. You eat a popsicle, a little meat sickle. I guess the point that I'm trying to get at is that there's like, you know how parasocial is like the new current word? There's a lot of there's a lot of people out there who I think specifically cultivate an unhealthy parasocial audience in their in their audience, like an attitude in their audience because they know that it gets the money. Yeah, I think that's what Denims is. This, yeah, no, I completely agree with you. This sect that definitely rely on it and try to encourage it as much as possible. They do nothing to try and erase it because of how much it can benefit. But the thing is this same group, genre, subgenre, whatever, they they sometimes, if the video is the right kind of video, talk about it as much as we do. The thing is a lot of the time they can't be fucked and then they get annoyed if you blame them for that when over on other shows where there's a lot of things you end up doing. She's, you know, that Jay suggested a whole bunch in the video that further pissed these peeps off. So yeah, I'm more than happy to denigrate their style because lazy as hell. But I do take issue with the idea that it's like, oh, yeah, a lot of people hate react streamers and that they're like the face of it. And we're like, fuck that. Thank you. Well, man, like, Rex should probably mute his mic if he's going to be going off, mess around, grabbing a drink. No, I'm washing the dishes, I guess. Now, if that is to quote Moller and Razz's favorite anime, EFAP is the Super Saiyan 2 of React's channels. OK, it is a channel beyond reacting. The next level beyond. Well, OK, wait, what's the difference between a react channel and a commentary channel? I don't know. I guess one of them is live. One of them doesn't have to be. No, I think I know. So reacting is just like is just the knee jerk. Commentary is actually thinking and making a commentary. Well, but like, they do that, too. She does that for Jay's video, to be fair. OK. So does that make it then a commentary streamer rather than a react streamer? Well, we're going to have to do an analysis. We need charts, we need data. How much is it reacting? How much is our commentary? I will I will contact the EFAP science department and we will get on this. All right, I want to get the bottom of this. I was I was I'm just going to hit play. Rags find his way. I want to get the bond with Rags's drink. Really, no other reason. It's just like your reactor, I don't like you. And it'll be like, oh, react streaming is so easy. Like, look, watch, I'm going to do it. Walks away from computer. It's like, OK, the reaction was spent like ninety ninety five, ninety eight. But didn't you just do this? Didn't she just play a video for 15 minutes? Why did you think I threw that at the beginning? She's like, we don't do that all the time. It's like, yeah, J didn't parody you and do that for the whole thing. Did he? Bill and all right. It seems to have struck a new. I don't want pizza. The cardboard piece was great. But yeah, it's clear. She's like, not all react streamers just walk away while videos are played. Show alien this sounds to us on EFAP like plays a video that you can do that. Yeah. Well, we wouldn't when one of us leaves, we get a little antsy about continuing the video. Like, yeah, like just now, when I needed to retrieve my beverage, that has been perfectly filled. Did you retrieve it from like a box to pile of dishes? Was it like another day thrown out? Oh, did you go to a soup kitchen? What that probably was was that was the ice that I put inside of this. This year, Miss, it was that really. Yeah, ice. We thought you were keeping your drink under a mountain of pots and pans. Yeah, you had to retrieve. Oh, is that what it came through at? Well, I don't I guess because I crawled way across the room on the other side, who knows what it ends up sounding like. But yeah, I've got this yeti thermos and it is a maze balls. Good. I use it every day. It's wonderful and magical. And I pity all the human beings who lived before them. But I fill it with ice and then I put the drink in there. And then it stays pleasant and cold and chilled for for many, many, many hours. And it's wonderful and magical. But wait a second, Rags, are you are you making the claim that sounds fundamentally change if they're just farther away from the mic? Much like much like how objects somehow magically get smaller the further away from you they are. OK, hold on. We're going to test this. OK, I'm going to go get a drink. Just give me a second. We you're OK. OK, I'm pouring my drink. Can you hear me? Well, no, not a liquid. I can't hear the liquid I'm pouring the drink. Where are the pots and pans? No, if you hear it, I'm pouring it. No, no, you didn't hear me pour the drink. You heard me put the hard ice into a metal container. Where are you throwing the ice into it? No, I dropped it and grabbed my drink. I hope the sound didn't morph weirdly over the air. Well, well, no, it didn't make a sound to morph. We never got the sound because you just put liquid in a container, which isn't typically very loud. Well, you don't understand the Doppler effect. You know, when cars drive up close to you, it's higher pitch. And they drive away. It's lower pitch. No, that wasn't the Doppler effect. That was the Doppler effect. I was putting the ice inside of the ready. And then it clanged and just to hear the horn. No, what horn? No, I guess I just discord muffled it. I had a horn in the other side of the room and I was honking. Oh, that's so cruel. This is the sound of me pouring the drink. Honk, honk. That was interesting, right? Discord is like the honk. That's definitely not a human, but rags clanking and crashing things together. That's definitely a human. Well, one time I let's find no reason to tell that story. We can carry on with denim. I appreciate your permission, but it's Denim's. Yeah, I was going to say. Oh, Denim's Denim's. Yeah, she's a multiple. She has many. What does it mean to be? What does it mean to be Denim's? Isn't wait a second, like she's Denim's. I'm rags. This is like a cloth. There's like a they're like some camaraderie here with no camaraderie with back away. Get out of the room. I imagine that like a denim cloth would be like pretty not useful. A denim cloth. Yeah, that would be terrible. Probably be a little rough. Not too rough. Like not like a scritcher, you know? No, I don't have no use, though. Oh, I don't know about that. It could be some probably absolved. No, yeah, because it would be rough enough to sort of physically take off stuff and but not hard enough to rub off paint or anything like that. It's not a preference. That's exactly what it would be. It's not useless. That's exactly what it would be. It would be like, oh, my like a sponge is really smooth and it doesn't really grip things on a surface. So they have the other side that's like that plastic mesh. It's not made of denim. Yeah, yeah, because denim isn't the ideal material. Did you were you not present when we were talking about the potential uses? We're saying it's not useless. It's not useless. You could use it. It's 99 percent useless. That's that's not being far. That's not being much like denim. I understand the confusion. Sitch thinks we're talking about Denim's the person. Yes, she is completely useless. We're talking about. Yeah. Oh, I thought you were at the time of like having a strip of Denim's the streamer that you were going to clean. Oh, I don't want to see yours. I wouldn't mind seeing a strip, but we couldn't. We can't do that. You that's not acceptable. Modification live on television. No, that would just involve her doing something. It is current year. OK. Aren't you? Stop it. Rude. Well, you can actually strip on Twitch. That is. Oh, yeah. Is she is she one of the privilege to can just like bear their genitals to the camera and just be OK? Yes, they usually get 10 bands if they do something like that. Oh, yeah, they they get to make it a three day, you know. It's kind of rough for an hour. But it's not stripping. They're just painting their body while naked. OK. Completely. Wait a second. Hold on. Rags. I think I think I think you're on to something regarding the the solidarity. Go ahead. Rags, you are on to something regarding the solidarity of these these names revolving around various types of cloth and other clothing things. You have you have rags. You have Denim's. And then you have you have Stitch here is going to hold it off again. Oh, my God. Listen here, shorty. OK. Shorty. I see Fringy more will just stay away from all this. Our names don't really connect. It's a Fringy. Huh? Oh, isn't that like the edge of the cloth? Yeah, it's it's the fringe. It's the fringe. It's the name actually has nothing to do with that at all. And this is not the time for this. This is the time for talking about react streamers. And is there some like it's fine. We've only got about an hour and 40 minutes of video to get through. So it's all yeah, I am thinking about the time that we've, you know, we're nearly up to an hour. Wait, it's 46 minutes. Looks like I can one of two. Yeah, exactly. Oh, yes. On the street and they leave for five minutes barely after streaming for hours and hours and hours. Just saw her do it for 12 or 13. Yeah, I'm not ready. But it's fine. I also, again, to emphasize the point when you're like, I mostly don't do the wrong thing. You know, the best sometimes do the wrong thing. So many of them do this as a defense. You wonder if it's some kind of like human thing to move the goalposts subconsciously. It's like, do you not understand that when I run, if you do it, when I run my lot, when I run my capitalist business, all right, sometimes I exploit my workers and don't pay them overtime. All right. I only do it sometimes, though, most of the time I do pay overtime. But sometimes when I just when things are tight, or I just want more money personally, I don't, you know, and that's that's just, you know, you're incentivized in the capitalist economy. I have to survive in the capitalist economy. The definition of survive varies pretty significantly depending on what I want at any given time. It is I'm sorry. I can't tell it back. It is uncanny how you can say to these people directly, like with no uncertain words. It's bad that you've done this at all. And then they'll be like, you act like I do it all the time. You're like, you didn't hear what I said. Exactly. It's, I don't know, principles, man. Listen, listen, listen, listen, I only raped her once. I mean, not a lot. The problem is, though, if you were to use a rape one, they would be like, wow, comparing react content to written. It's like, OK, you can do that one too, until we get to the point, which is the principle. Well, I mean, it's comparable. Like the content didn't ask to be reacted to. It is a lack of consent. What was the very last week? Yeah. We're going to say something free. I couldn't catch it or not. No, let's let's press on ours. And then it's like they leave something to watch and people are like, why would you? Oh, my God, you're literally stealing content. It's like, OK, dude. Saying that with a smile on your face is really. That's really like the counter argument. Yeah. OK, dude. Yeah. OK, dude, with a smile on your face as well. You know, this video is just going to be like a bit of a cope. So I will ask now, is my microphone still doing the flu because if it is this next piece of criticism, it's going to be super awkward. Is my mic only partially doing it? To be fair, I assume your criticism will be very different from what is happening to your microphone, which is beyond your control. It is. But the problem is it's just going to be it's going to be nice and awkward. Is the mic doing the super duper flipper? Is it? It's just a little one, like one put in. I don't understand what you're saying. Yeah. No, I don't like that. Hold on to mine. Just we'll keep pressing on. I'm just going to try and fix this. I will save the criticism until I feel my mic is working 100 percent. I can picture what you're going to complain about, because there's that thing that happens when you've got a particularly wet mouth and you get real close. And you know, you're just talking and you're just doing that. And can be pretty fucking nice. You're allowed to vicariously make these criticisms while I sort out this microphone. It kind of sounds like you get like a big scoop of peanut butter. Yeah. Just you know, yeah. A lot of people say ASMR. It's like, yeah, I guess it's like that's the thing that people are looking for, but bad. What do you do? And like, I don't know why, but the show microphones, everyone wants to shove them into their face. Some people do it just fine. Some other people have decided they need to have their lips right next to it, otherwise it doesn't work. Well, it kind of reminds me like, you know, whenever you listen to like talk back radio and it's some dude who's got like a it's usually a really fat guy and they it's really like the really heavy breath. Sorry, I'm just like, yeah. These are the noises. Yeah, I mean, actually, I'm flustered. Look, sometimes the cheeks, they get in the way and you know, wobble them back. All right, that's how that works. So I can actually answer from a tech side of things, the sure microphone situation. Well, everyone uses this microphone every fucking podcast or every YouTuber. I know why it's happening because it cancels out sound like other than the cone that goes directly into your mouth, but that does not mean you have to fucking drive your nose into the actual thing. Well, there's a good distance that you learn to put your mouth away from the microphone whenever you're recording. I learned this lesson very harshly when I recorded a good third of my end game video, like in a batch. And then I listened to it and I was very upset because there are a lot of bad places. Wait, what does everyone use? Sure microphones. And what they're pretty good quality and they're like reasonably cheap for the quality. But also what everyone forgets is that it needs a preamp. No one ever hooks up a preamp to that model of sheer microphone. I'm using it right now and I'm actually very far away from it. And I think I'm pretty you can kind of you can hear me pretty well. It's not like I don't get really close to you, but you not the horn. Yeah, but like it's because I have a preamp hooked up to the mic, which allows it to pick up more sound without without raising up the volume of the background. So you need an actual preamp hooked up and powered or else that mic is going to always sound like shit and nobody has a preamp. Are you talking about like the audio interface specifically or what? What is the difference? You know how, like with an XLR microphone, you got to hook it up to a thing that is powered by its own source and then that goes with the microphone or? Yes, yes. So most mics take like 12 or 12 volt hour. That's right. But a preamp also takes a bunch more volts that a tiny can't handle. So you need either like you need like an extra power, which you can buy those for like 30 bucks or you need just like a source that has like a 48 volt switch on it. But basically you have to hook up preamp to your sure. Mike, everyone, hook up preamps to your sure. Mike's heard it here. Oh, sure. I just use a cheapo, deepo USB mic. All right. Well, I think those do you find anyway, but on it. Well, what I've discovered isn't even it's not necessary. The mic you have, it's how you use it. It is how you use someone who sounded great for such a long time. They told me they were using a blue snowball and I was like, fucking hell, that's like one of the it's like that. Then the Yeti, then the you think they have a yellow ball. If they pee on it, I don't see. Oh, geez. So we got started doing YouTube. I'm real old. We got started in 2009. We bought a 80, 20, 20 back then. And back then it was great. I have what I use now 80, 20, 20. It's a good boy. Yeah. Yeah. So that's a pretty good. That's a pretty good isn't it? Now highly recommend. I've had it for many years. That's a fine. Julian in the chat says that the Shure needs a cloud lifter. I don't like the cloud lifter. I don't I actually don't like the cloud lifter. I have the stealth preamp instead, because the stealth preamp is like this. It's this little thing that plugs right in and it's black. It's the same. It's the same shade of black as the mic. It fits right in. You don't even see it. It's great. I've, you know, I always knew Dev was in favor of stealthing. Yeah. Oh, God. I'm bringing that that discourse up. He's the stealthing discourse. So anyway, back to the video. Sorry, I'm sorry. Speaking of discourse. It feels, I don't know. I can't say for sure. Maybe the video is actually really, really good, but it feels like certain people have a certain idea of what should be or what ought to be such that no one. Everybody has an idea of what to be. Yeah, welcome to being a human being with an opinion on life. I would love you to find someone who doesn't have a view of what you know, I'm pretty and if they don't have a view, that is their view, that they don't have a view. So it's kind of impossible. There's a good point she raises, I think. Yeah, certain people have an opinion on the way that the world ought to be. It's not like that's how pretty much all of society. Excuse me, sir. Do you have an opinion on how things ought to be? And he's like, I guess so. You're one of those certain people, according to Denims. No, make me. Such that like they feel they need to dictate what other people's content is like, I guess. Such that they feel they need to dictate what other people's content is like, which you will do throughout this entire video. Of course. Interesting course. Everybody will. The answer is, yeah, like if someone said to me, like, don't you think it's fucked up that everyone's like, oh, you know what video essay I should be doing is this? This is what long form people should be doing. This is what I'm just like, what? No, that's just what everyone does. What do you mean? Streaming isn't supposed to be watching boobies and getting in a hot tub. That's not what you're supposed to do. You know what I mean? Um, I'm assuming she's referencing like that. That discourse is really old. We're talking like 2010 when people were saying like they didn't like the female streamers would benefit from just she getting the boobies out. Um, while male streamers obviously have to be entertaining. We're not allowed to take our cocks out. Well, I'm pretty sure there was a guy who did like weightlifting for a while. There's shit off and you got a temp band doing that. And I remember people being like, man, this doesn't seem fair. Like at all. And then, of course, the discourse of like, is it respectable to have a stream that is doing really well when all you do is really just look pretty, you know, there was a big jiggle around. I mean, that's what Gal Gadot does for the livings, I suppose. There's this is this is kind of the thing is it's more to do with what what is Twitch as a platform, what is supposed to be there? Quote unquote. I don't I don't it's it's a little bit complicated. And also be frustrating if if if if as a guy, you'd try and really hard. And then it's like, if you just had boobies like, but is she being serious or she mocking this position? Oh, no, she's mocking that there were people back then saying just because you have boobies doesn't mean you should be successful. It shouldn't even be on Twitch. Then they would like, I would even go as far as saying, maybe puritans who are like, I don't want to see any skin on my children's gaming stream place. And it's like, I mean, I mean, I understand that point of view. But the alternate, like the other side of it is you had people like Casey Tron who, you know, blew up their tits to be three quarters of the stream. Yeah. And the gameplay was it was like right in the corner, tiny little window of gameplay in the corner. Yeah. It's like, all right, we're here to watch video games. Come on. I don't know if anyone in chat or this cast knows about this, but there was there was a big debate between Div HD, Sky Williams. I think they were against Casey Tron and Destiny and Total Biscuit came in to help moderate it. You can still find it. That debate exists. And it's about booby streamers. That is an old reference. I don't know if people, if CV HD is still around, like, I don't know if he's still doing stuff or not. Yeah. And then, of course, recently, as she's referencing is the hot tub stuff. So should hot tub streams be a thing on Twitch or should they be outright banned by TOS? Because it's like a way around stuff. I think they literally had their rules, like you can't be in a bikini. Unless, of course, there is water and you're in like a beach or water. And so they're like, so what if I had water in a hot tub in my room? What if I had like a literal fucking paddling pool in my room and then, you know, they just started to push the rules and it worked. What? Why would they have ever written that in the rules? Like who's like, oh, I'm going to go stream at the beach. I think it was because there was a lot of IRL streams happening, right? And some people did go to the beach. And so it was like, we don't want to ban people for being in a bikini at the beach, I guess. But it doesn't make any like, how does that make sense? Oh, you can have, you can be in a bikini in this location on stream, but you can't be in a bikini in your room on stream. Yeah. Also, this is the thing. That's what put in the hot tub in your room. Started to vote, right? Yeah, we're like, fuck, how do we deal with this now? I think that's kind of inevitable when you're trying to make rules, I guess, because it's like some people are going to be like, oh, you got this rule here and this rule here. So what if I combo them up, they cancel each other out? That sort of shit. And yeah, there's a lot of discourse about for me, I was just like, how fucking odd the hot tub streams with a new meta that getting into a hot tub is the way to get viewers like, what is happening? Well, we know what the real problem is. Guys are just a bunch of simps. Guys don't know about also fucking like porn. Yeah, it's weird. I always wonder that. Don't you know there's an unlimited supply of free pornography that exists on the internet at all times? This is the broader conversation about like kind of this issue that I think seems to exist in a large number, I guess, now, where it's like parasocial, paired with more intimate. It's just like a really it's like it seems to just be an incredibly potent pairing that is probably like a little bit concerning. A little bit. It's pretty concerning. I was lonely, man, right? Like it's a problem. Yeah. Yeah. Lonely. Yeah. Well, here's me being a boomer again, but I just have. I have a fond memory of the era of Twitch where if you weren't playing video games, you would be banned off. You know, that was an era. Yeah, I remember it was like 2010 or something or 2009. And they were like, you know what, you're not playing games. You're out. But yeah, they've expanded a lot since then. Yes. This is the thing. If someone's like, wait, so you want them to do that? It's like it's more so just things were simpler. And I guess the meta felt a little bit more fair because everyone has to compete to commentate on video games. But then once you add in, like, but you can be in a hot tub. It's like, oh, OK. So I don't know. To come back to the video, I find it amusing that she's like, people are completely good, but it's like all these things are conversations to be had. I think they're fair that people want to talk about them because everyone's competing on these sites. And when they introduce something like a hot tub meta, it's like fucks with everybody's perception of how to compete. I understand. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think I think I gave the solution last last week. The solution just seems to be split into two sites, a gaming site and a not gaming site. Why not just how to adjust and go back to that? Well, yeah, you could you call it Twitch and Twitch after dark, right? Make it a topic after dark. Yeah, they always do that with like adult versions of things after dark. Yeah, just call one Twitch and the other one twat. Yeah, perfect. And it's like, OK, well, who are you to dictate that? The platform should dictate that or you know? Nobody's going to take that calm down. I said that people's interests are, though. Like that's how it's going to work. The platform response people use the platform. Nobody's dictating shit. They just give them their opinion. Yeah, that was always weird. So I like this inflated. Denims, the socialists, the platform should dictate. Oh, they all right. They always enjoy saying the platform. Oh, they love it when Twitter dictates the things that they like. Oh, yeah, as long as they're doing the things I want. Oh, yeah, authoritarian all the way, baby. You bet. Then they ban someone they like top. Down. Revolution. You know, DMC AIDS would dictate that. You know what I mean? No. And also, it's the same thing with this. It's like, I know you have an idea of what you think react content should be. And it's, yeah, because everybody has to hear what, you know, that should be. That's like your opinion, man. Thank you for letting me know that my opinion is my opinion. That was very insightful. Thank you. That is what a fact. At least you got a tautology out of you, which means it's technically accurate. Good job. You did it. Hurray. That was that was a very long winded way of saying nothing. No, she said that your opinion is your opinion. I mean, that's that's have you ever considered. Have you ever considered that before? Have you ever considered that something is something? Brags, you're making it sound stupid. Not only is it where it is, man. That thing is what it is. You're trying to make it stupid. What in actuality, she said, was a lot of people have feelings about whether or not certain things should happen regarding many different subjects, including and then give several examples. And ultimately, those perspectives aren't something they can enforce. They really do boil down to the fact that they're just their perspectives. I feel like that's very intelligent. What you said sounded really dumb and silly, and you boiled it down. And that's not nice. OK, I did save us a lot of time, though. Just rags out of the game. Dishonest rags. The video says you should add something when watching other people's videos. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I recognize that. But the thing is, there are other streamers who just watch content and say nothing. What are you talking about? Them. Well, if you say words, but the words mean nothing, is that saying nothing? It feels that way. But I just find out of music that she's asking this question when she does it all the time. I say all the time, you'll see more evidence as we progress. Yay. Literally nothing the whole time. And if you have a problem and you're like, I don't want you to be able to watch my content on your stream, then you can just fucking send a fucking DMCA notice or whatever. No. Wow. You should have to. That's the solution. Just DMCA me, bro. It's like, really? Meanwhile, as someone who, you know, works on YouTube and stuff, I'm like, DMCA, this is like a big deal. Like I got to deal with this crap and YouTube might mysteriously not side and, you know, with me and I'm obviously correct. And now it delays my video and this corporation might wait the 30 days and fuck around with me. Like, they don't realize that this is a big deal for some people. And they're just like, just DMCA me like, no, no, don't this is a pain in the ass to my livelihood. It's amazing that she's like appealing to the fact that she wants you to use it when it's a system that all creators fucking hate. The most I despise it. I hate it. Well, and on Twitch, I mean, almost all the views that Twitch streamers get is live, right? They don't really get a lot of playback. So DMCA after the fact isn't going to do anything. Well, and the fact that you don't even know when it's happening is funny. She's like, it's your job to find out whether or not it's even happening to your stuff. And then it's up to you to file the DMCA shit. Oh, you know, not steal stuff. And she's like, no. If you're reacting to one video and you are reacting to the video and then you're going to edit it down, you're going to just edit down all the things that you said that were funny. And if you think of something that's funny later, you can just go back in and talk about it. You know what it means? You can be like, wait, so like what is the point that you're she just described making a video where you react to a video, but it's not live. So OK, I'm following. I don't. Yeah, I feel like this is the premise of a point. Not like we we're going somewhere acting. Look at the funny funny. And then you and then when there's like blocks where you're saying nothing, you just cut that out because it's not funny. But on stream, you have to do that for like, like fucking five hours straight. So that's what you chose to do. This is this was your choice. You chose to do it on live instead of as a video. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you could play a game. There's so many things you can do to make something else. You know, it's a very strange mindset to have. It's just like when you're a streamer, you have to be on the ball all the time. You're just like, OK, why did you choose to do it if you're finding it so hard? Yeah. It's like, oh, I'm an underwater oil rig welder. And oh, I have to make sure that I use the right kind of, you know, welding equipment so I don't superheat the water and cause an explosion. And sometimes there's these currents that pull me down and I drown and it's like, oh, it's just so like, then don't be that thing, man. Like, and plus, this is almost a soft implication that streaming is the real work. Yeah. But it's easy to just edit a video content. Yeah. Yeah. I think you never run the risk of stealing content. But with streaming, you took also five hours like, wow, can you guys imagine trying to commentate on videos for five long hours in a row? Nope. Impossible. No, I can never been done. Never been done in human. Arguably not even possible. That's why no one does it. And so does it count? We should be able to steal a video every four hours or so. Then I think that's how that works. Yeah, we don't do it all the time. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. As long as we don't do it all the time, I think that's a valid defense from what I've been told. Yeah. Does it count when? And Destiny does this a lot. And I think this is really pushing the line is like, he'll play a video game and then he'll put up like you can see the game he's playing on screen and then he'll be listening to like a different conversation or debate and he'll only comment on it like every 15 minutes and I'll say like one sense or something. I don't think he does much transforming a lot of the time. Yeah, he's passionate about the video that he transforms it really. Yeah, I'm like, that's a little sketch. It's a little sketchy. It's infectious. It's throughout Twitch. And I think it's just the fact that nobody's doing anything about it. So whatever, right? Yeah, there's no reason to curb that behavior. There's no pressure on them to change. So they keep doing it. Yep. Well, is it okay if like, if everyone's doing it to each other, like if, you know, everyone's producing content that everyone else watches for the week, you know? I think if you go permission is fine. So for example, if you spend your whole day reacting to Stream at X and Stream at X is like, I'm gonna react to your reaction of my reaction on my stream. Stream or X. Yeah, and you just back and forth and you're like, yeah, I know they're cool with it and I'm cool with it, blah, blah, blah. Then when you throw in someone like Jaxi video and it's just like, I don't care if there's any appreciational coolness with any of this, I'm just gonna do it because fuck it, I can't be asked to check. It's like, oh. I feel like there's a good foundational sort of principle that people should be aware of and adhere to that is healthy. That they seem to be in anyone's thought process at all. You remember our first video on all of this all the way back when I gave a context for the Jinx stuff back in YouTube and everything. Then we watched criticals sort of take on Jay's video. We watched it in real time and therefore we were rambling over Jay's video ourselves but I made sure before then to be like, is this all right by the way Jay? We're pretty much gonna be playing your video through his plague of your video to watch him not react. And then he was just like, yeah, that's fine. And I was like, yeah, okay, cool. It's really easy to do. And as you saw in our last week's coverage, RLVN got fucking pissed when he found out the idea that he may have to ask permission to steal content. Oh yeah, he was upset at the idea he might have to ask for permission, yes. Well, because he said that the idea is that there's implicit consent all YouTube videos can be watched and that consent is in his favor. Yes, and it must be retracted in order for YouTube to stop instead of the other way around where you should ask or alternatively transform the content. Him describing the system and how it works, you could only be like, man, it's convenient for you, isn't it? What a coincidence, yeah. It just happens to work out. I think the problem is that streamers generally will react to other streamers and they kind of exist in this parasitical symbiotic relationship, so they don't care. But so then they kind of take that same attitude and they think that applies to someone like Jay or someone who's not streaming, but just making content. But the difference is the person who's just making content and edited videos is not gaining generally from the streaming the way that the streamers gain from streaming each other. They need to take that consideration. Well, I mean, ultimately gain is irrelevant on the matter of principle. It doesn't really matter. If someone doesn't and they benefit you, that may well just, you may not want to do anything about that, but still it's the broad principle of ask or transform. Right, but I mean like streamers will stream other streamers content because it's like a circle. All the streamers are streamers' content. They exist in that ecosystem. And then they kind of don't realize that not everybody does. Yeah, they don't have the capacity to include like a different ecosystem into their own one. They're just like, no, you'll conform to ours because that's all I know. Bingo, right. Kidding me? And that actually, oh, sorry. That actually reminds me. So the recent destiny banning thing. Everyone's acting like they've killed destiny. They've finally conquered the dragon. They've taken the keep, you know? And it's like, well, he's still on YouTube. You still watch your stuff and laugh at you. He still has viewers. Yeah, he's not banned from reacting to other Twitch streamers. They're banned from reacting to him now. Oh, yeah. He's not banned from reality. Like, they have this view of Twitch as being this insular community of like their guys. And if there's people on it who are not their guys, they gotta go with the exception, of course, like the esports people and the people who are very disconnected. But they have this view of like Twitch politics as being a club, a very high school-like club. I think that kind of explains a lot of their behavior and a lot of their behavior here. Well, I think for a lot of Twitch streamers, like with Destiny, since he is banned and since no one on Twitch, I guess, can show his content, then to a lot of Twitch streamers, he doesn't exist. They'll never see his content. And that's all they care about. You can feature him, but you cannot, no, you can react to him, but you can't feature him. I thought it was literally, you can't have any of their content on your stream. Right, that's what I thought too. That's how it works, which, by the way, is insane. That is insane. Because to be fair, that means all you need to do, if you're a particularly controversial figure who suffers from people on Twitch reacting to your stuff, is get a Twitch account, again, break the rules, get banned, and then you can no longer be reacted to, like... Genius. What system is this? And you know, this is another example, Twitch will like, oh, man, if we banned someone and then they go on someone else's stream to be able to stream, that means we're not stopping them. I guess we'll make a rule so that you can't possibly show them on your stream. It's like that. Don't you understand what you've just done? Well, here's the rub, because this is already happening, what you're describing. Lauren Southern decided after Destiny got banned, because those two have been palling around recently. She decided to go on her stream and just stream one of Destiny's debates outright. And she got banned pretty much instantly for it. And she said, yeah, I'm getting myself banned because fuck Twitch. Yeah, I heard about that. Her at Lewis Rossman was quitting Twitch because of it as well. Yeah, he made a video, it was really good. So it just seems like, it seems like people... So for example, let's say you made a video and Bread Tube is now, Vosh is gonna do his... I'm talking about this guy on my stream today, everyone's gonna react to you now. And you're like, I wanna avoid this heat. All you have to do is turn on your Twitch stream, stream Destiny, get yourself banned, and then they can't react to your content without getting themselves banned. And that's basically what people are gonna start doing now because Lauren Southern's already done it. It's an interesting exploit, isn't it? And the super interesting thing is that someone might be like, so you think he shouldn't have been banned? It's like, we don't even know why he got banned. Didn't say. That's great that a massive platform can just fucking ban your ass and your income and cut you off from your audience and not even give a fucking reason. Yeah, just really talk to the good stuff. Everyone loves that. It's awesome. That's great. Did we mention that we don't like Twitch as a platform, by the way? To be fair, we fucking hate you a lot about YouTube too, but I just prefer YouTube to Twitch at this point with everything I know. You can't be that funny for that long. Well, speak for yourself. Speak for yourself. Also, the people who be like, why don't you react harder? Tend to be the most unfunny people on the planet. They tend to be the people who like... That doesn't actually matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, not a point. And we're hilarious. It sounds a little bit too much to be honest. You cut into the chicken and it's like, oh, cool, this is like raw. And then it's like, hey, look, all right, you can't cook, you fuck. Like, why do you think we're in a position to judge my cooking? Yeah, we're your Michelin star. Eat your medium-rare chicken. If someone tells a joke and you're like, that wasn't very funny. And they go, are you funny? You're like, I don't, uh... It's falling down. I mean, I came to this comedic club for you to make me laugh. What are you talking about? Oh, funny guy. Why'd you come on the stage? But yeah, it's like the people who say this are usually not funny. It's like, you got them, deadems. Got them. Tend to be the most unfunny people on the planet. They tend to be the people who like... So you made that up. You can create a whole ass set up for them and they can't even capitalize. Interesting choice of words. A whole ass set up for them and they can't even capitalize. Yeah, interesting choice of words, isn't it? I don't even know what that means. You give them all the stuff they need and then they just sit there not being funny. That's what she said. Oh, I thought she... Because set up is normally like a set up and then a punchline and she was talking about comedy. So I thought it was like you gave them a joke, like the start of a joke and they're so unfunny that they couldn't finish the joke. It's weird. That might be what she said, actually. I've heard her say that before. That might be one of the parts of this video. You might be right, Rags, actually. If you close your eyes and you listen to her and you replace her voice with his sons in your head, it's like she's just copying the kinds of things he would say. Almost word for word. Vapid, empty nonsense that is... Yeah, you're kinda right, yeah. It somehow satisfies them. I'm just like, okay, as long as you're happy, I guess. On stream there would be downtime where commentary can't be made and chat would lose its mind if the streamer kept pausing. Dude, chat like gets mad at me for pausing. I don't give a fuck. Hey, E-fab chat. We like have trained you at this point to not fucking even bother complaining about pausing. If you do, it's like, why are you here? It's no point. Just type in practice, that's all it is. Yep, that's what we know. We have new people in chat who will say it. The point I'm making here is that no matter how many people in chat are like, please stop pausing anything happening. But she's seeming to say, look how mad chat would get if I was to pause more. Everything I do is for chat. They are my lords and masters. I have no will of my own. Listen, I don't know about you guys, but the most fun thing to me about streaming is pissing off chat. They're all like, pause harder. We piss off chat and we don't. We don't even, it just happens. It's just an emergent. But no, of course, we don't even have any stuff. If one person in chat said like, I'm going to leave if you continue to pause, that's what we're like, oh, God, we got to stop. Oh, damn, we don't want to lose. We don't want to use. We want to lose Barfi 369x. That would be bad if that happened. That's one of the things, man. Like, you know, before he got banned, he would have been, destiny would have been in there, sort of ecosystem doing similar things. He's one of the only streamers that just commissioned himself a fucking BRB screen. I don't know why none of them can do that. But you don't even have to commission it. You can fucking draw a BRB. Well, I mean, they can, they just don't, they feel like if they throw it up, they'll just lose viewers. Which is. Well, I mean, to be fair, you do. You're not having a lot of confidence or ability. I have a mind of some times. But it's the right thing to do. It doesn't matter if it's the right thing to do. Yo, I don't want to make money as a socialist. Here's a different take. That's like what I was streaming. If someone said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you can't put up a BRB screen. You'll lose viewers. I'd be like, well, yeah. But I mean. Yeah, that's what happens when you don't work. Yeah, I was looking at the break. Like, come on, it only follows to me. Like it's some kind of horrible realization. I'm just like, oh, well, there they go. That's that's that's fine. People are coming in and out of this stream all the time. I like, I told people I'll be back in 10 minutes. Like if they can't handle that, that's that's them. Yeah, if they leave, if they're not willing to wait 10 minutes for me, then if well, then maybe I need to step up my game or maybe that's my level of entertainment or maybe some people have sort of tension spans. But in most jobs, this is just it's a detachment from the typical job that should be normal. You don't get paid on your lunch break. You clock out for that shit. You have to clock out. Like there's laws saying that you have to give employees lunch breaks for X amount of hours worked and you don't get paid for that. That's normal. You don't get it. You could like there's so many options that it feels weird to even suggest one. But just like, did your fans make any clips or supercuts of anything you've done? And maybe you could put that on while you're gone? No. Yeah. Yeah. I was actually about to mention that because a lot of people do that and not in their politics. I'm like, I'm on the gaming side of Twitch. They're gone for five minutes. They'll put up like a two minute or a five minute reel of like funny moments recently. Because she's she's treating them like, you know, like babies with object permanence where if you disappear for a second, they're like, oh, God, they're gone. I'm out. And it's just like, OK. Oh, dear mother, you're back. Oh, my goodness. If you only need to just disappear behind those hands forever. Ten minute portion of you playing like an old vaudeville playing whatever games. Just like, yeah, do that then. If that keeps them in, just do that. It's like, no, I have to steal someone's video. You're like, oh, down, down, down, down. The only thing you can do down, down. I bet you there's someone in here who's like, can this stupid bitch just press play? She's watched 30 minutes of the video. I'm truly how are we going to get through this hour? You know what I mean? Is it so people would rather watch the thing you're watching than watch you interesting denims, but carry on. It's a frogan emote, or is this like like a BTV emote? Because, yeah, just, you know, don't don't take other people's emotes for the people who in here who make emotes and stuff or publish them. Don't take other people's emotes. Now, to make sure you understand what just happened, because I had to explain this. The way it works on Twitch is that you have built in emotes based on channels and then you have ones that are attached to like third party sort of things like BTTV and Frank Izzy, I think a way to do it. So the idea is you can upload custom ones. And if you download that as an extension, they will appear for you and you're the people who have also done it. Now, the reason why that's so good is you have an emote limit for your channel, depending on how many subs you have, I think, or your current status with Twitch. But if you get that service, then you can add a whole bunch like free of charge, essentially. I think you can even add to them, but whatever. She's saying, oh, that emote I just bought. That's pretty cool. Is it from person's channel? Because if you've taken it from person's channel and uploaded it to BTTV to make it show up like that, that means you've taken their emote and I don't like that you would do that. Don't take it. Make sure it's original. Don't you think that's interesting for her to say, considering the conversation taking place? I think it is. I think it's interesting. Makes me think this is only there to kind of sort of signal her virtue. No, I think I think it's legit. I think she doesn't like the idea of stealing emote. She's having connected how she's stealing shit from people who are on YouTube. Right, right. If the theft can make her lose money, potentially it's bad. But if she can gain from it by stealing from someone else, then it's okay. My theory is much simpler. She understands the immorality of stealing someone else's artwork in the form of an emote and putting it up for yourself to enjoy. She does not, however, understand stealing someone else's video work as a thing that she can use to make her audience enjoy a thing and herself for nothing. She doesn't see the connection. If we can just make our videos an emote form, she'll never feel one. They broadcast in like 50 by 50 resolution, like pictographs sort of like hieroglyphics, but sort of like like. What what's the name of a language where you the symbols mean like you have like a picture of a bird means bird Asian Asian Chinese. So Chinese moon, non-fanatic. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what those sorts of things are called. Isn't it hieroglyphic, actually? No, there's a no. That's the that's a reference to sort of the symbols themselves, not what the symbols mean, because hieroglyphics have like the sounds and things for the symbols. But I think like a lot of the American Indian cultures kind of had a language that was built around there. I'm not sure. Logo, graphic, pictographic. So I'm seeing those. But any event, you really think she doesn't understand also to clarify, some people like willing willful ignorance to me. Yeah, I think she gets it. I think she doesn't care. Some people say, isn't this a joke? So this would be something that you probably have to take seriously as a Twitch streamer. If your community is stealing emotes from another channel, that's going to piss people off because a lot of them are custom made and cost a decent chunk of money. So if you just take them and upload them to BTTV and have them for free, that would probably piss off the other person that you've gotten them from. Maybe I'm confused. What is BTTV? So it is a third party extension that you can add that say, for example, right now, Chrome add on is yeah, if you type in like Lull on Twitch, you'll get a tall biscuit laughing. But say you wanted one like that, but golden, then you can upload that version to BTTV and call it Lull one or something like that. And as long as everyone has BTTV, they will see that whenever someone types Lull one. But then, of course, you can extend that then to like, wait, couldn't I just upload like all of the rarest and coolest emotes from the top channels and steal them all for myself? And it's like, you could, but that would be poor etiquette, I would imagine. And I think that's what she's saying right now is like, I hope you haven't stolen that from the other channel. So emotes on Twitch, they're like things you unlock for your community and stuff like that. In a sense, yeah. You would, you know, subscribe to a channel on Twitch and you get access to their emotes, their emotes of the things that they uploaded and oftentimes have paid for. OK, so it's like a video game of skin that you earn sort of and someone could just mod it into the game instead. Yeah, that's a great way to put it. OK. All right. All right. And that's why all has been made clear. Elucidation complete. She understands that that would be immoral. She does not understand how stealing videos would be immoral or at least as was theorized just a moment ago, she might not care. Yeah, that's officially a boomer now because Mahler explained BTTV to Rags. I don't watch Twitch. I don't know anything about Twitch culture is something that I get mystified by every once in a while, too. Yeah, I don't know what Mald means. I molding. I mean, when someone says mold to me, I'm like, oh, that's not good. You want to like take care of that because it's not healthy to have that. You might have water damage. Mald. You need to tend to Mald. Hey, no. Yeah, not mulled, but still I thought it was mad and old. I thought it was mad and bald. What if it's what if it's bald and old? Well, then what if it's what if it's mold and mold and bald? That's what it is. I'm telling you, it's bald. It's mad and balding. That this is balding. That's where it comes from. OK, you know, because, you know, don't don't take other people's emotes for the people who in here who make emotes and stuff or publish them. Don't take other people's emotes. Just whips right over top. Nox. OK, I already feel like there's a bias here because so far every single person that is shown on stream that makes good react content is not American. So this guy just doesn't like Americans for sure. What? I assume it's a joke. The tone she delivers that with, though, doesn't come across as a joke. I can't tell with these people. It's from like they say it so seriously. Like I think chat have reacted kind of like like what I first heard this, I was like, is she serious? That like she's annoyed that all the people that Jay has shown going good content on to American. They're full bias. It's like because so far every single person that he's shown on stream that makes good react content is not American. So this guy just doesn't like Americans for sure. He's so far shown like three or four different people or whatever the fuck. And they've all all of them have been not American. So for her delivery is just like everything else. There's no there's no wink. There's no like tell. There's no inflection issue. And there's no like when I say something seriously, but it's meant to be a joke. I wait and to see how people take it before the react, you know, the reveal comes in, the prestige, if you will. The only part that gives it away is the content of what she said is so stupid that it has to be a joke. Right? Because it was like if she just said if she had just said one line about it and be like, oh, maybe she's just joking. But she she kept kind of going with it. She did. Yes, she repeated the point like twice to make sure we understand the problem. Yes, you repeat the point without adding to it, like making it more ridiculous or funny. So I think it was legit. I think this is real. Yeah, she's serious. But what a strange perspective to have on Jay. He's biased against America. Anti-American bias. If a reactor hasn't added anything and watching their reaction is basically just the same experience as watching whatever they're reacting to, then essentially they're just reposting something someone else made to their audience, reaping the rewards of someone else. I don't know the guys reacting to it wrong. This is literally wrong. If anything, I'm tempted to roll it back because what Jay said was so fucking airtight, you can't disagree with it. Jay buried it deliberately. You can't just say wrong. You can just say wrong. Listen to what Jay says and how impossibly hard it would be to argue with with all of the clarifications he makes. Added anything. Oh, wait, hang on. I just find it so funny that she says wrong. Freaking so true. If a reactor hasn't added anything and watching their reaction is basically just the same experience as watching whatever they're reacting to, then essentially they're just reposting something someone else made to their audience, reaping the rewards of someone else's work under the guise of reacting to it. Wrong. This is really wrong. It's airtight. That is really correct. Yes, Jay almost simply repeated the point, but in a different set of words, like you can't disagree with this. But it isn't an emote. There's nothing to disagree with. If you haven't transformed it, it hasn't been transformed. That's pretty much what Jay did, yeah. If you've stolen it, you've stolen it. Wrong. Wrong. You're just, that's just wrong. Well, maybe she gives a reason in the next few seconds. Yeah, let's do it. If anything, this video should have been edited because I know videos that are this long kind of came out. This video should have been edited, you bitch. You can tell you that Jay did edit it. God damn. Like fuck I edited down to history and trust me, 56 minutes is way too long for me to watch, guys. You can't do it. You need to edit it down. You gotta edit it down. Yeah. Someone who's complaining about, oh, how can I possibly go for this long? And you shouldn't be complaining about length of things you're responding to. Every second is precious because you don't want to be left in a position where you have to take someone's video, right? Yeah, I was going to say, she should be happy that the video is over. You should be thrilled, yeah, that it takes so long for this reaction, or this React D, to get their stuff out. Because I know videos that are this long tend to take like months to make. And what? Or at least a month to make from talking with. It sounded like you said the N word. No, I was just going to say. It did, I can't. Can we please stop with these now? What is she doing? She's like, she purrs all the things into her mind. Why don't you smack it on something? When I make these supercuts, I'm like. I'm chewing gum here. When I'm making supercuts, and someone makes their first half of a point, I'm like, I don't want to cut with the static to the next part, because it makes it look like I may have cut something out or something. So I like to keep the whole point in. Unfortunately, she's fucking doing this shit between the points. Sorry, cow chewing on cudd. There's like some chips in my teeth. Oh, oh, was it going to say? What was it going to say? Make sure you get your mouth really close to the microphone when you're clearing the debris from your teeth. All right. We really want to make sure that that's something that we're keenly aware of. What is she supposed to do? Die. What is she supposed to do? Try. This should have been very evident. It kept going, so I'm sorry. That's why I said that. I gave up. Wait, does she never come back to this? No, she does. She does. Here it is. Oh, this is it. Yeah. The amount of people that wanted to watch like Death Note on stream or the amount of people that want to watch like MasterChef or Hell's Kitchen on stream, like it stops being one person making content, like a person making react content, and it starts being like a bunch of people watching something together as like friends almost. That is a shockingly stupid thing to say. Just to make sure it's nice and clear. She's saying, Jay is wrong, because even if the reactor adds nothing, there's a group of people watching it now, which is fundamentally different than watching it on your own. Yes, because that is what it means to transform content. It is that you as an individual personally just have a sort of subjective feeling that it's different. Well, to transpose this to IRL, you go to see the cinema, watch a movie, you pay. Cool. And then I'm like, if all of you guys can come with me, we can watch it for free, because that it's fundamentally different than watching it on my own. Yeah. It changes the experience. It's transformative. Just that meta aspect turns it into something different. Her point makes sense if she was streaming it, say, in her private Discord server, to her subs who have paid her for the experience. A movie watching experience with Denims once a week, every Sunday night or something, you know? But OK, fine. Well, even that's it. Is it? What do you mean by that? It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean anything in terms of whether you transform the content that you're watching. I was going to say, if we talk about the requirement being she doesn't speak at all and doesn't even show a reaction. Remember, the point that Jay made was if you are reacting but you're not, you basically just reposted someone's content. She said, it is wrong. You are incorrect in making that statement, because if multiple people watch it together, then it feels like a different thing, even though nothing has been changed in terms of the content itself. And we are so desperate now. We're at the point of if I say I open the window my second time around, so it's a fundamentally different experience. See, it probably feels like a different thing to her, but not to everybody else. Yeah, but it doesn't matter even if it did. It doesn't matter. I was going to say, I think we're at the level of absurdity where I'd be like watching a video for the second time as a fundamentally different experience than the first time. And it's like, yeah. It's only a war crime the first time. It is different, but this point is insane. It is insane, yeah. Like if you go to your friend's house, and your friend's like, oh, I rented this DVD or I have the streaming service, we can get a bunch of people together and we can watch it. It's like, yeah, you watching as a group is a different experience, but you're paying the company to watch the streaming service. You're not paying your friend. Your friend's not charging you and making money off you watching the movie. And that's where this gets all fucked up. She's acting like a per-social relationship or anyone's per-social relationship with their fans is the same as like just being friends with someone inviting to your house to watch something. Well, but the thing is, when you invite your friends to watch a film, there's no conversation about whether you're transforming the film. That's like, it's- Right, because you're not making money off of your friends coming to your house to watch the film. Well, I'd say it's more that's, because I mean, money, obviously, that's like a factor. It's just, we're talking about whether you've transformed the content, you have not addressed that. You've just said, yeah, watching it feels like a different experience. It's like, that doesn't mean anything in terms of whether you're a friend- Yeah, that's subjective, yeah. And it seems to be a true statement, but it doesn't matter to this point. Yes. And I was actually gonna say, yeah, when like schools play a movie for like the whole school or whatever, for like Christmas day or some event where, so it's something close to that last day of school, whatever, there's still potential legal issues there. There's always like a- She's saying that the chat transforms it. Okay, that's just really dumb. That's all I'm saying. That's a stupid idea. She makes that point later. The current point is watching it with people makes it fundamentally different. That's what she said. Right. It's like saying, well, if one person, if you steal it to watch it, that's not cool, but if you steal it and watch it with a bunch of your friends, then it's fine. Yeah, because you transformed it. It's like, no, you did not. No, you fucking didn't. It's, if a movie theater, that's a perfect, if a movie theater charged $10 a ticket for a movie that they did not pay for the rights for, that's fine because a lot of people are watching it at the same time. It's transformative experience. So a movie theater can just do that. Right. As long as there's not one person, buys tickets for the thing, then that's against the law. But as long as the theater's got people in it, yeah, it's true. Just go for it. See, if this were true, it would be legal to pirate stuff because the experience of pirating makes it a different thing. You're transforming it by downloading it. Exactly. Be fellow pirates. I'm watching it on my monitor, not my TV. That's fun. Right, instead of a movie theater, yeah. Yeah. And you know what? If you had a system set up so that everyone, like, basically you had a movie and then you had chat and it was a particularly popular stream. But the way it works is you can not only, not only do you comment, but you can also vote up or down on the current comments coming in. And so the movie pauses once per three seconds and it'll read out whatever the top vote current comment is. And that was just a system that was running. I actually think you'd be able to get past copyright that way. But at that point, if she referenced that as being like, that's how you could do it. I'd be like, well, that is transformed at that point. Like, but what you're talking about is literally just the movie playing and everyone's just watching it and smiling. It's like, that doesn't count as transformed. Is the problem here that these Twitch streamers, they don't view themselves as content producers. They kind of view themselves as shepherds of parasocial friend groups. She refers to herself as a curator at one point. Yeah, right. She's like, I just... That's the Metal Gear Solid 2 shit. Right? So like, even if, there are times when I am streaming Hell's Kitchen and I don't... She says like a lot and doesn't compare two things. Yep, she has a lot of words that stick in the middle of sentences because she takes a lot of time to get sentences out and that's okay, but you wanna work on that if you're gonna be streaming every day, all day of life. Yes, if this is your career, dare I say, you should work to get better at it, but that's fine. I don't even... It's the process. It's a journey and out of destination. Even though the destination does sort of probably matter. I don't feel like I'm adding that much, but it's about community watching. In the same way that watching... It's not. When you're watching Hell's Kitchen and you don't say anything and you're broadcasting that to the world, you're not transforming it. You're transforming it. I think you're being very unfair to the Hell's Kitchen community. How convenient is this system she's describing when she's the one that gets to reap rewards? She gets the money. She's the subscribers, she's the followers. Yeah, because... Conveniently, this benefits her immensely. Well, that... Because we talked about it the other day, right? Part of the reason why fair use exists is the idea of some sort of public utility. There's a public utility to allowing people to criticize something without needing to ask for permission. There's a public utility to being able to use copyrighted material for educational purposes. What is the public utility of you watching Hell's Kitchen and just watching it and making money while other people watch it in your stream? And think about poor fox, how they're just getting nothing from you watching Hell's Kitchen on stream. They're losing... Because those are people who could have watched it through means that would have made money for the network and that's not happened. It's just gone. And you have a trick. So the public utility... The public utility is her simps are funding the Socialist Revolution, one donation at a time. They'll get there eventually, guys. And ironically, later on, she argues that the essential public utility she's providing is that you don't have to click on the videos she does it for you. I mean... I will move my mouse hand. The ultimate saver to people. I don't have... You can keep masturbating. I'll move the mouse. That's my mouse. Oh, God, it's so painful. This gets worse and worse as we go, by the way. You're... You have no idea. I already know some of what's to come. Yeah. I don't get pigs. It's almost always going to be less fun than watching it with other people. Do you know what I mean? And I think that this really was like... OK, well, actually, actually... Not necessarily, but also it doesn't matter. I suppose, yeah, true. It doesn't matter, but I suppose it's not... Have you ever been to a movie theater? Oh, there's a lot of people who ruin movies. Yeah. The guy snoring while I was watching Moonfall didn't appreciate that. Don't tell me that Batman is just like, yep, all right, can we please just watch the movie? Yeah, that's definitely... It's necessarily more fun when there's other people there. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we all know that's not necessarily true. Maybe she says that because, to her, other people are a chat that she just doesn't have to watch and doesn't make noise. So it's easy for her to say that at all time. Other people are just silently in the background, easily to be ignored. Blasting happy frogs. Mm-hmm. Amplified and like made obvious during like the peak of like the, you know, Pokemon getting banned and Disguised Toast and everything like that. Just to watch. For reference, they got banned because they fucking stole a bunch of TV and used it. Yeah, this is when Twitch was really pushing it. They got... I can't remember if they were banned for anime or something, but they were stealing something. And they finally got cracked down. One of them was Death Note, one of them was something else. I can't remember. When I heard about it, I was like, what do you mean, streaming Death Note? You can't just stream Death Note. What the fuck are you doing? That shit isn't yours. Hokeyman was banned for streaming Avatar the last airfield. Why the fuck? Why are you talking about shows? What the fuck are you doing? Is Hokeyman actually banned right now? Like permanently? No, no, she came back pretty quick. They always privilege. So here's the thing, there's a lot. Remember I mentioned earlier that I have the unfortunate or had the unfortunate interest in anime react channels? Well, a lot of them, they're streamers. And what they'll do is, these are smaller channels. So some of them just get away with streaming it because they're smaller channels. Other ones, what they'll do is they will tell their audience, okay, I'm gonna hit play right now, so you hit play with me, and they won't actually show the episode. That's the way to do it. Yeah. And then when they upload to YouTube, they put the episode in afterwards. Oh, that's. You. There's lots of that shit on YouTube, lots of anime react content, where they just plug the episode right in. I feel like E-Fat Movies is one of the best examples of how to transform it to the point where nobody is able to watch Boba Fett as it was intended by watching our coverage of it. It is impossible. It's chopped to shit, and we're talking over all of it. Well, it's such a big aspect of what it means to transform it. It's that what you have watched is not a direct substitute for it. Like if you're on a denim stream and she just plays an episode of Hell's Kitchen and doesn't say a lot, you've just watched the episode of Hell's Kitchen. Whereas if you're watching like a Boba Fett E-Fat Minute, you've got like what? Like half of it is our commentary without anything where we're just talking about what we expect or what we saw. There's tons of edits in the footage so that it's like, you don't see it fully, clearly all the time. There's a whole bunch of stuff that's just omitted because it's all trying to get to the essential stuff that we have commentary for. You transform it into something that you may not want to watch Boba Fett after you've watched an E-Fat Minute on it, but you haven't watched the episode. Because a bad review can make you not want to partake of a product or service, but that's okay. That's allowed. It's part of what it means to critique something, may well be positive or negative. But you haven't watched the episode as it was made, like in its totality. I don't know, even if you guys are talking over it, I can get what's happening in the show and it's just like, believe me, we cut out shit tons of what even happens in the episodes. But the thing is, you can get what's happening. What matters is you haven't watched the book of Boba Fett. You just haven't. You've watched our coverage of it. And even if you know what the story is. And us talking and then just edits for visuals is like what you've consumed, you've missed a hell of a lot, let's put it that way. But our goal with those is that you have enough context to understand what we'll be criticizing. That's the idea. Yeah. But like you haven't watched the episode. No. Pretty yeah, exactly. The community. It's fun to watch a new together as a community. So I wouldn't watch shows like Master of HQ without, HK without people like you or Hassan, there's an entertainer. That doesn't mean anything. Yeah, so that doesn't mean anything. It's an interesting fact to throw around because the fact is like if you sit there and don't do anything with the entire episode and they go, yeah, I wouldn't have watched that if you hadn't put it on. It's like, that doesn't address what you think it does. Actually, even that doesn't help you at all. It can hurt you, but it can't help you. No. Yeah, it can hurt you, but it cannot help you for clarity. I mean, I wouldn't have stolen that candy bar if Hassan wasn't in the target with me. So that makes it okay. He didn't put it into my pocket and I didn't say anything. I just see, because there were people in chat talking about like how, oh, well I don't need to watch Boba Fett because I've watched the EFAT minis on Boba Fett. The point is like, what are you getting out of watching the book of Boba Fett and episode on its own versus what are you getting when you watch an EFAT mini that was for the book of Boba Fett? You're getting pretty different things. Yeah, as someone who I can guarantee you has seen both the full episode and the EFATs on it, they are nowhere near each other in terms of- They're not the same thing. They're just clearly different. They're not the same piece of content. Even if- I can guarantee you, if fucking John Favre or Dave Floney, Kathleen Kennedy, whatever, if they found out people were saying like, I've consumed it really and what they've seen is our coverage of it, they'd be like, no you haven't, that's bullshit. This is people just complaining about everything and they've cut out loads of shit. They're priming you to be angry at it. Again, we don't want to give off the impression you've missed anything. So we do diligence to make sure you have context to understand what's happening but that's the same thing when like, if Jay or myself or whoever did a big breakdown of a movie, we want you to have the context to the point where you feel like, you know what? I understand what happened in the movie and I understand the criticisms. I think it is entirely different experience. It's highlighting, because when you watch the episode of Booker, Burbaphen on its own, you don't get all of the jokes that happen in the commentary, you don't get the commentary, you don't get all of the edits to accompany that, you don't get any of the references to any other media as like in jokes or comparisons. You don't even get comparisons to like prior episodes when we're referring back to things that happened in prior episodes with the visuals accompanying them. It's different, it just is different but that's what it means to transform something. It's not that it is like 100% wholly, entirely, completely a different thing from what existed before but it's substantially different in a way that it's enough that it really shouldn't be considered the same piece of content. And for clarification, if someone then said, wait, so you're saying that I should go and experience the episode myself? I'd be like, oh, I don't think it's worth it. I don't think it's worth it. Yeah, like it'll cost you time that you can spend on other things. Like watching the E-Fat Mini on the book. Yeah, which, you know, you get the benefit of knowing the events in a meta vague sort of sense and you also get the fun of seeing us react to it. Yeah, so for example, you could watch all of my Force Awakens review. You will fully understand every event in that film but it's nowhere close to watching the film as an experience. Yeah. It's like buying the silver friends. Whereas if you're watching Hell's Kitchen on a stream and nobody says anything, you've just watched Hell's Kitchen on, you've just watched it. Yeah, like as if that somehow clears you of, you don't have to be transformative. It's something you're gonna choose to watch anyway. It's like, yeah. Yeah, that doesn't mean anything. It's like saying, well, I wouldn't have bought that candy bar if it was cost, it costs money. So I was only ever gonna steal it. It's like, you know, it doesn't mean anything. I'm gonna watch something together as a community. So I wouldn't watch shows like Master of HQ without, HK without people like you or Hassan. There's an entertainment value. Yeah, of course. It's like vibing with Stoner friends. Exactly, yeah. It's like, it is like vibing with Stoner friends. That is true. It is. It just doesn't address the point that Jay made, but it's fine. It's fine. I know you think that. I guess it did. When you steal in a group, it's okay. All right. I think that this in specific, or like this guy, I don't know. I don't know anything about this dude, but like this guy, obviously this is more lazy content or whatever. Incorrect. Jinx put more effort into his reactions than a lot of you guys do, because he actually had to edit it and then upload it and like lit and shit. And he was always present for the entirety of the videos that he would watch where he would get the links. And he would, yeah, he would always make sure to react. It's just that his reactions were shit. Yeah. So you have to understand like, he's bottom of the barrel. You're the scrapes. You're what it's. You're what's in my hand. It's my brunt of the barrel. The mold bottom of the bottom end. How far have we fallen as a society if Jinx's reactions is held up as like a positive standard compared to anything? One of the points that J makes is at least Jinx was here. Yeah. That's how much worse it's got. I know it's so bad. Hey, I don't know who the fuck is watching this. And B, like, is it literally just, you don't want someone else to profit because you're putting in so much hard work and they aren't? Then why don't you do what they're doing? Just what I did. Oh. I was about to say, wait, what's that? Let's just listen to this for a sec. Just listen to this sequence. It is fucking great. Try your best not to interrupt it because the ending of it is perfect. This guy, obviously this is more lazy content or whatever. But like, first of all, A, I don't know who the fuck is watching this. And B, like, is it literally just, you don't want someone else to profit because you're putting in so much hard work and they aren't? Then why don't you do what they're doing? Do you know what I mean? Like, this is the thing that I don't want to say. That's a healthy attitude to have. Because it's not like they're benefiting at, like, your, maybe on YouTube it's a little bit different because if people watch their video instead of yours, like these videos are so boring that, like, surely, like, who cares? And if you really think that, like, this content is so easy and it's fucked up that they're profiting so much, like, then why don't you just make the content? It's like, well, I'm better than that. It's like, okay. That's the part I desperately wanted you guys to see. Oh, my God. It's difficult to tell which is the extra dumb part that you want me to answer. It is a fucking roller coaster of thoughts that she goes through. Well, yeah, to run through that, I guess, the core observation is you have perceived something that you think is bad when you've worked hard. Why don't you just do that instead of working hard? Why don't you just want to do what I do? Fuck it. To, you know, socialism, guys. And then the responses, the responses, I don't want to. And then that's kind of a dead end, isn't it? Like, when someone says, no, I'd rather not. She just said, you're a sucker for participating in the system properly. If you think stealing is easy, why don't you just steal too? I guess I just find that she fucking, she was defeated by her straw man that she was, she presents this theoretical person who's just like, I wouldn't want to do this thing that I'm condemning because I'm morally against it. That lines up with what I just said. It's like, Jay has so many arguments to go through, but she's like, just do it. The mysterious Jay that she's created ahead just goes, that's morally bad, so I won't. And she has no response. She fucking killed herself in her own debate. She's stymied by the concept of a principle. A bit, yeah. I just can't believe how you could do that to yourself. Well, you argue with yourself and you lose. You're like, oh fuck. Well, I think that's surely it's just a matter if you haven't thought it through enough. No, of course. You're kind of debating it. You know how you have an inner monologue where you try and figure things out about what you ought to do, what you shouldn't do, like your principles. You know, you just examine your beliefs, but you don't often do it just speaking live on stream and then figure it out as you go. Yeah, generally, something like half of all people don't have that, so who the fuck knows? Well, you can't say that about women. Yes. Is that true, that like, isn't that true that a lot of people don't have an inner monologue? Hold on. I'm constantly, oh, let me ask you, is your inner monologue in your own voice? Cause mine's in my own voice. Yes, of course. Yeah, my inner monologue isn't, it is. I don't know. Deaf people. Well, I'm sure we talked about this on stream before, that people have different methods of, cause you know how like some time, well actually you might not know cause your brain just works differently? Cause like you can see images in your head, like the images sort of coalesce visually. And some people, I think that's the way that they think like principally, like 100% of the time. And yeah, some people don't have the inner monologue where it is a voice that is going over thoughts in your head. I've just got, I can do pretty much all of it. Like I can summon up images, I can summon up sounds, I can summon up voices. Look at you. I can do it in different voices. I have all the mental powers. But here, check this out. Okay, so. Are, is it in your Twitter bio that you have all the mental powers? So it's a recent survey suggests that four in 10 Americans do not have. Geez, that's a lot. 26% reported having some sort of internal speech up to 75 may not have had none. So, that's bizarre to me. I don't think this is true. I think this is bullshit. I think this is bullshit. So the reason why I find this kind of interesting is you've all heard of the concept of rumination, right? Like you're somewhat familiar with that. Just to think deeply on something that's your Hollywood. I think it's generally in terms of mental health. The idea would be that rumination is when a thought just sort of repeats over and over and over again, but in a detrimental way. The thought just keeps reinforcing itself and you can't break a cycle of thinking. You just can't stop. Yeah. Now, I guess the thing is, is that if four out of 10 people don't have an inner monologue, am I to believe that four out of 10 people have never experienced the idea of a recurring thought that they can't break? Well, maybe they relate in pictures. Maybe. Yeah, maybe. I'm not sure. I guess it's just interesting to me to think that there's a good chunk of people who don't think with sentences that have formed in their head. I don't know. Brace? Well, I guess that is kind of rumination, yeah. Yeah, I don't plan. But then it gets broken when someone drops a pen in your ass. Yep. That's your mental health tip for the day. If you're ruminating drop a pen into your butt cheeks, you'll be OK. That'll snap you out of it. Drop a pen into my butt cheeks. I'm trying to skim this study. I don't. I think what they're saying is they gave, first of all, they gave only 30 college students beepers and they would randomly beeper them throughout the day. And then they would question, you know, were you having an inner monologue when we beeped you? And I don't think. Interesting way to run this. I mean, that just means someone won't think. That is a bizarre way to test. Yeah, maybe someone's just not like thinking of something specifically at the time or more likely. People are thinking of things. They just they're not when you ask them about it, they're not they're not going to be like, oh, I was having some inner monologue, even though they really were. Because if 75% of the population didn't have an inner monologue, everyone would be like a Zen master who can meditate. Because that's the hardest thing about meditation. That is the hardest thing about meditation. It's not supposed to think words. You can think in pictures, but you're not supposed to think in audio words anymore. Generally, the idea with meditation is that you want to put yourself, it's mindfulness, right? Where you exist in the present moment without any judgment of the things that are around you. It's just perceptions of things, which I think is really difficult to achieve as a person because human brains are pretty mired with concepts and value judgments and things like that. Well, and you're also, you're always thinking of other shit. Well, you're often thinking about the future and the past. I think it's, I don't know where the quote comes from, but it's a sentiment that kind of follows that like a Buddhist monk, right? They've achieved something really exceptional if they can go for a minute, like just looking at a clock and their mind doesn't wander off. Like whatever that means to them, right? That their mind doesn't go, oh wait, that's something I need to do. Fuck, oh shit, that's something that stressed me out. Like that you're able to focus on that clock for a minute. That's incredible. Humans think, we just think persistently. Right, yeah. These Buddhist monks, man, sometimes when they meditate, they're just on fire. I get it. Well, here's the thing, this conversation came up back in the NPC meme. When the NPC meme was the big meme of the day, everyone was talking about these studies and, Aiden Powell, you guys will watch it now obviously because it's a different video, but for Offstream, if you wanted to see it later, Aiden Powell did a big old video going into all the studies on people without inner monologues. I'll just put it in the group chat. I don't buy any of this. This all seems like that. I heard, it seems like there's people without an inner monologue. I know one. I know a YouTuber doesn't have one. He's a friend of mine. I don't know. Well, so here's the thing. A dry bread. I don't know that I can ever really like know what's going on in other people's head. So it's kind of hard for me to, like someone can tell me I don't have an inner monologue, but like that doesn't, I don't know what that means, right? You're self-reporting something. Like it's hard for me to know what that means. We might have a different understanding of what an inner monologue means. You might just be lying to me. It might be that you don't fully understand. Like it might be that you don't identify. It's the way you phrase the question to them. Like if you said, do you have an inner monologue? They might answer differently than, do you talk to yourself in your head? Exactly. Yeah. I feel like these are important things because it's not like, this isn't something you can observe from the outside necessarily. This is someone you're having to rely on people accurately reporting the state of their own minds. And someone in chat said, Aiden concluded and explained why it was a bad study and it doesn't show what it claims to show. Ah. Oh no. Dev, get out of here. Well, you know what? You know what? For the purposes of today, I am 100% willing to accept that Denims has no inner monologue. Well, I mean, I guess it's more. Go ahead. Go for it, actually. All right, Dev, do you remember this? It was going around. I don't think it was a big thing, but it went around because someone on Twitter had said that they cannot picture objects in their head and a lot of people said, Oh yeah, that's bullshit that people can even do that. I don't believe it at all because I can't. And it was this, it was one of those sort of resurgence of the NPC meme kind of things because people saw that, people saying that they can't picture objects in their head. And I guess that's just another thing that some people cannot do. Oh, no, that's what Madrid has. Hold on. What's the name for that again? Someone said that it's called Afanast, Afantasia is a phenomenon. Yes, it's Afantasia. Yeah, you cannot visualize imagery. I fall into that camp somewhat. I mean, I can picture things in my head, but they're very fuzzy and not clear. I don't know how to. Afantasia is a very bad memory. It is a phenomenon in which people are unable to visualize imagery. Yes. Which is strange to me because I've always been able, I assumed that was a normal thing that minds could do. Well, I guess this is where we get into the interesting things in general about consciousness that people have a different experience of reality. And how we describe it and have differences as well. Because I'm such a visual person. I think that, I remember Tony Robbins talked about how there are like three different, I'm sure that there are more than three, but it's interesting as a sub-categorization that there are a lot of people who focus on visual stimuli. A lot of people are more oriented around auditory stimuli. And then the third one is more vague. It's like kinesthetic or something. Yeah, where it's like vibes, I guess, like a feeling. Kinesthetic is touch sense or position in space. Yeah. That's how I am for it. And it's the reason why someone, I'm sure we talked about it on EFAT before, where someone can, it's such a common thing where someone can very angrily say, this is a horrendous point you made. I'm not sure why you made it for this, this, this reason. And I might even throw a swears in it. And they're like, wow, calm down. Where someone can calmly say, you know what? You're a pretty pathetic feeble, worthless human being. And then someone won't respond as negatively to that, even though the sentiment is way harsher. And it's just because they respond more to tone than they do what you're actually saying. If I say this nasty thing kindly, yeah. Yeah, it's, well, it's a common thing, I think that. You're saying like a dog. Yeah. Excuse me? We listened to like 20 seconds of hair, so I'm assuming we should roll it back and... Yeah. No, no, no, what I'm saying, Rags, I'm saying that that's a lot, that we will listen to a lot of hair. So I'm gonna roll it back so if anyone else has any points to make about what she says, we can get a second chance now. Cause it was, the main thing I just wanted you guys to hear was the fact that she defeated herself. It just ends in a dead end, she's like, oh. What I meant by a straw man as well is that Jay has provided specific arguments for why it's immoral. And in her world, he simply says it's immoral. And she couldn't even beat that. Well, she's not even addressing any moral claim at all. No, so when, well, what I'm addressing is the fact that she has no counter-argument to someone saying it's immoral. Like remember who there's no Jay said, I'm not doing it because it's immoral, I'm better than that. And then she was like... She has yet, she's like, I mean, we were talking about people can't visualize images in their mind. She can't visual, she can't understand like morality in her mind. That with morality? So that's just called being a bad person. Yeah, exactly. I can't visualize the morality. So how it felt to me that whole thing was you were realizing in real time, like your print in real time, you were figuring out what you believe. Which by the way... Those are important growth moments for you. Don't... Oh, keep you honest, huh? You can't pretend like you had a point. You have to be like, oh fuck, I don't have a point. You can if you have big enough words, but... Oh yeah, you keep the sentence going and going and going and going and going. And then you, I don't know, go, oh sorry, what? Oh, guys, I'll be right back. Strong communication is when your sentences last forever, okay? When your words last forever. Let's not go to sentences yet. When your words don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming. I'm not allowed to use monosyllabic words. That's bad. Don't use short words. That is bad. That means you're bad at communicating. Less Chinese streamers is what Fringy's implying. Wow. No, no, that's fine. Not fine. It's horrifying. Oh my God, that's gracious. They are. Then why don't you do what they're doing? Do you know what I mean? Like, this is the thing that I don't really understand. Because it's not like they're benefiting at like... You have a holocaust to your own, huh? Yeah, so this, this part was great because she highlights like, it's not like they're benefiting at your cost. And she stopped herself. She realized, well, technically it would be if the viewers would have gone to you, but they instead watched your coverage of it doing nothing. So yes, they would be across the fuck. I can't make that point. Maybe on YouTube it's a little bit different because if people watch their video instead of yours, like these videos are so boring that like surely like who cares? And so she doesn't know that Jinx got millions of views doing this. Jinx got millions of views because all you need to do is subscribe to Jinx. He's your one stop shop for everything that you could ever want to watch that is relevant. It's the reason it's one of the common just... I'm not sure if it's a common justification but I'm sure it informs it. If you watch a Hassan stream and he's like playing all the videos, considering how many people watch him, you're just up to date on the internet lingo by going there. But all of the people... But all of the people whose videos were watched on stream don't gain any utility from this. It's mainly a loss for them. It doesn't matter if it was a loss or a gain though again to emphasize that that's the principle of like transformation and fair use. It doesn't matter what the utility is really. Also, if she's sitting here saying the videos are boring, why are you watching him? She's talking about Jinx. Well, she's a boring person. Jinx is reacting. She's suggesting that Jinx is so boring no one would watch it. So who cares? Even though a lot of people watched it and even if nobody watched it, it doesn't matter. She doesn't know. The whole reason Jinx got taken down was the fact that he blew up. He was taking over YouTube and it was like, what the hell? How? Why? We're not just in a lot of people. Yeah, there was a lot of people following suit and it all came crashing down because it was exposed for being absolute garbage content. And now the same thing is happening again across an entire platform. Yep. And the reason they're getting away with it is because they're not on the same platform. That seems to be enough to separate them out from criticism. Not from us though. How convenient. And if you really think that like this time is so easy and it's fucked up that they're profiting so much, then why don't you just make the content? It's like, well, I'm better than that. It's like, okay. Yeah, exactly. It's so funny to me that you'd be like, yeah, that's really bad that you're doing that and that annoys me. Well, you do it. It's like, what the... What the... You know what? You know what? I don't like that you're... Happening in our neighborhood. It's like, why aren't you killing then? What? Get in on the action, man. Then I don't know what to tell you. You know what I mean? I believe you. Yeah, I believe you. That's genuine because she fucking argued herself. She needs to think about this subject a little longer. Yes, she does. I'm not sure if she feels like she argued herself into a corner. I think this is just her abandoning the concept of morality. So I don't care about the moral. Fuck it. I think what she says, I don't know what to tell you. I think that is an earnest expression of an absence of counters. Yeah, she's ran out of counters. She knows this is an action she wants to commit to and she doesn't want to condemn anyone else for committing to it. At the same time, she cannot defend it being a moral action. In fact, it's immoral at this point. Well, I think generally when I or you guys would say, I don't know what to tell you, then it is at the end of a process of trying to explain to somebody a thing and they just cannot grasp it. And you're like, I don't know what to tell you at this point if you don't understand. But for her, it's like, I don't have any thoughts to convey to you. Yeah, she's I do not know what to tell you. She has no idea what to say. For her, it's literal. I do not know what to tell you. For her, I think it's just, I just want to do it. And I don't care about the morality. I'm just going to do it. And if you're asking me for justification, whatever. Yeah. You think that any of this is I don't think any of this is consideration in her mind. I don't think she's even considering the moral aspect. Like this is I think a lot of people have. I don't know, I'm just giving them more credit. The conversation specifically had Jay in her head say, I'm better than that. I am not going to do the immoral action. So you think she's just being malicious here as opposed to stupid? No, I think she's being stupid. Why not both? So the brand of stupidity that this is, is a simple one of, I don't actually know how I would counter this, but I don't agree yet. So I need to think about it. That's why I don't even think she's at that thought process yet. Well, I don't think a lot of people like to say that because it feels like a weakness, right? If you go, I have no counter for you, but I still don't disagree. Can you give me some time to think about it? No one likes to say that. No, I understand that. Yeah. Especially because like, oh, sorry, sorry. Go ahead. I want to say I think she's just too stupid to even understand what's being argued here. I think you were kind of right because a lot of stuff on Twitch is just optics based. You know, who looks better in the debate kind of thing. So if you're mumbling and you're stuttering on your stream and you can't get out of point, you don't quite know yet and you have to think about it, I think you just look weak. Well, the way, some of the ball is projecting hard. She's an airhead. What did I say that would have implied she's not an airhead? Are that your project? Well, you said that she understands Jay's argument. She doesn't know why she thinks it's wrong, but she thinks it's wrong and she's stalling for time. And I guess I'm saying, I don't even think she understands Jay's argument where he's even conceptualizing the morality here. Well, I said that she's just like. She's not even taking in his points about why it's wrong. She's just trying to deal with someone saying why it, that it's wrong and she hasn't got anything. Yeah. Remember, I said specifically, she's stupidity answers this one for me, specifically that she is an airhead. No offense. The result of years of lack of a lack of introspection is catching up with her in a moment and she doesn't know how to deal with it perhaps. We'll see, let's go. Okay. Also, yeah, is this guy to really think he's making a discovery, finding out that like react content is low effort? That's it. It didn't used to be. Intra, yes. Interesting cell phone. And it's not all bad. Like there's plenty of reactors who do their fucking job. You don't. There's nothing thoroughly lazy about reaction content. It's all about execution, really. It's like a bunch of them started stealing and it's gotten more and more popular. And they're like, it's not a discovery to find out with stealing shit. And it's like, well, it is for some people. And it's not good. Yeah. They think, oh, this is just the thing I can do, especially if they grow up or are introduced to a space where that's just a normal thing. Then they think, oh, this is fine then. Everyone's doing it. I think that I don't get either. It's like, everybody knows react content is low effort. You know what I mean? I hate that you say that so casually about the job you do. Ugh. Because if someone said, oh, making video reviews and making YouTube videos, it's just low effort. I'd be like, fuck you. Chris Stuckman said it about reviewing movies. And it's like, fuck off. It's not low effort for some people. It is a little bit annoying when you hear that. It's like, yep, how many months has it been working on this one? Oh, four, five? Yeah, man. So easy. How many? How many? Yeah. It is low effort because I've made like fucking videos. The videos take so much more time. They take like hours and hours and hours of time. Yeah. Hourware. Yeah. Some fucking days. Well, guys, later down the line, you will see a Denim's brand video in this. So don't, you'll look forward to that. Oh, you're giving us an example of her amazing video making. Not quite there yet in the timeline. And also, I think it's different skills. I think being able to like watch a video and point out all the funny things, all the, where's the funny? Is it has its own, like you have to have your own skill to be able to do that. She's wandered off now because that's never been the point. It's not about the skill of being able to point out the funny things in a video live. It was reacting at all, transforming at all. Yeah, that's true. It's a different skill. It's like who are you talking to? But that's also crazy because basically she's saying, you know, it's a skill to be a laugh track. The point out where people are supposed to laugh at. It's funny because it is true that to be an entertaining streamer is a skill that is in some sense potentially different from being an entertaining YouTuber. Because, you know, to be an entertaining streamer, you need to be interesting, funny and insightful off the cuff. Whereas, you know, making a video is, how can I distill, you know, some sort of piece of information or present something in a funny way through editing or like, you know, delivery in this setting. They are different skills, but what does this have to do with this conversation about whether you've even transformed it? Yeah, how does it contradict anything Jay said? It was like a bit of an escape hatch where you're like, well, look, I am, I'm funny. I'm interesting. I have things to say. You know what I mean? Like, it feels a bit like... I mean, I'm not like them. I'm not like those lazy ones. It comes across as though it matters, but it would just be like if I said, well, to be fair, there are many buildings that are in disrepair across all kinds of cities these days. Yeah, like building is... What the fuck does that have to do with anything? And I'm like, what? It's true. Okay. Thank you for your addition. That you have to like practice and train or whatever the fuck. Whereas like making YouTube videos has their own skills as well. You know what I mean? Like there are so many videos. There are so many people who like, you can sit down and watch a video with them and they have nothing to say about the video. You know what I mean? They'll be like, oh, that was a good video. And it's like, do you have any other opinions or anything? So like they take different skills. I still think that react content is easier, but I don't... Well, the way you do it, for sure. But if you compare Chris Duckman's YouTube videos versus our reactions, I mean, I feel like we're putting in more effort, even though... Oh, I mean, do you wanna share with the audience how long it took to compile all of this stuff together? A long fucking time, but I don't know if that counts along with the reaction stuff. I guess streaming, right? It's all working. Well, yeah, it creates this stream. The Supercuts I have made are a part of it. So at that point, they're definitely way more effort than Chris Duckman's reviews. So yeah, like just because reacting as a format is typically easier than any YouTube video, it's like not every time. Certainly not. It's just funny to me that she's like, yeah, reactions are easier. And it's like, yeah, yours. You don't do anything. Well, I feel like the term reaction content very specifically and narrowly applies to specifically low effort reactions. If you polled your audience, I don't think the majority of people would classify this as reacting or a reaction channel. I don't know that that matters that much because when you get broad enough to compare what we do to what she does, we tick several of the same boxes, like a lot. It's just the... Like I told you, she's been polled on this frame for a while, making all these points. So it's like, in a sense, she's doing what we're doing right now. There's not a huge difference. You just say things, yeah. Yeah. I don't like this, like, I like this shitting on react content for literally like no reason or whatever. I don't know. Literally no reason. She just defeated herself in a moral argument earlier. And now she's like, there's no reason you're doing this. Top notch. It's why I watch like 20 react videos for the Halo TV series. I want to be, I want to feel the hype with others. Exactly. It's not an excuse. Are you wanting to feel the hype with others? It's not an excuse, sunshine. I'm sorry. You can't just steal people's stuff in order to feel a particular vicarious experience. I just want to be trendy, like everyone else. So I stole all the clothes from that store. Please. And for this video, where Jinx just reboots someone else's work, adding nothing, he gets five million views. I'm not salty. Now what I'm not doing here is I am definitely- But see like yourself- I want to pause before she says anything. I remember seeing that in Jay's video and I thought to myself, probably shouldn't have put that in because people will use it against you. Even though- It's a joke. It's fucking mean. Like, I'm not salty at all. Like, because Jay's having a bit of fun. But as you can see, he's set her off. She's like, ah-ha, it is about money. Like, ah, for fuck's sake. I got you. I caught you. Jay put it in on purpose, but no, of course, yeah. What I'm not doing here is I am definitely- But see like, he's self-aware. So like, see, he's like literally self-aware. You know what I mean? No. I was about to say, I was about to say, Rags, what does it mean to be figuratively self-aware? Yeah. Does it mean that you're not self-aware? It's, at the end of the day, a lot of this is like, it feels like most people have a direct emotion about- Get ready to experience fucking, okay. I remember this. A classroom with Denim's, this shit is amazing. You try and stand as quiet as possible. Well, yeah, it's okay. What could you rewind to get? It'll be funny. And then they try to come up with some rationalization on like, why their emotion is valid rather than the other way around. So like, rather than, hey, this is how, you know, these are like, this is information about this thing and my opinions about these things. And this should make you feel a certain way. It feels like most people do this and like, he's self-aware about the fact that like, at the end of the day, a lot of his reasoning or whatever probably for making this video has to do with the fact that it's like, I'm mad that these people get to make such low effort content and I don't think that they should be able to. And I'm going to come up with rationalizations after the fact, post-hoc, rather than the other way around. He was handily explained, most people, when incorrect, will have a feeling and then from there, they will create their arguments. When in reality, what you should do is have your arguments and then explain how one should feel as a result of those arguments. Welcome to how human beings process the conversation. Literally what the hell are you talking about? Whenever we like highlight things being right or wrong, oftentimes it's because you get the feeling of it being right or wrong first. You're like, ooh, that doesn't, actually. Yeah, like this doesn't, yeah. Well, I mean, the irony here is that she is, she's pointing this out, which is true, this is how people think, but her entire video has just been this. Exactly, it is, it is so very about it. Negative and then just trying to post-hoc justify it. And you know, and I take back everything I said, you're 100% right, Mahler. If she knows this, then she is just being malicious and she understands the argument Jay is trying to convey and she's just intentionally thinking of something. I think this is just really funny. Because I think she's describing what she's doing, but saying that you should do the other thing instead, but doesn't realize that's what she's doing. And to be fair, she's just accused Jay in other words of having an ulterior motive. Like she's saying that Jay is presenting all these arguments when in reality, Jay's just mad that someone else is making money. This is a very common thing that people will do when they wanna argue with you dishonestly, is to infer some sort of intent that is not great. Cause it's a lot easier to dismiss someone's arguments if you paint them as having intentions that are dubious. It's about the money, it's just about the clout, it's just about the viewers, just angry, irrelevant to all of them. Often these things that are ascribed to someone are often a projection of how they really, how they're feeling at that particular time. Right, well, she misunderstands even the concept she's laying out because even though this is how all humans have evolved to think this way, where your emotions come at first, that doesn't mean necessarily that your emotional response is wrong logically or morally. She's jumping to that conclusion. It's complicated, right? Because your conscious thought is informed by a lot of subconscious thought that you're kind of not aware of. There's a lot going on that you were not directly. It's something that I think Sam Harris has talked about that thoughts are rising in your head without your permission. Thoughts appear and dissipate and you don't really choose the thoughts that arise, but the thoughts are arising based on some sort of subconscious process. They come from somewhere, yeah, right. And so the idea would be that if you react negatively to something, it may well be that there's something worthwhile to think about that you need to dig deeper. You need to go beyond the surface and try to think about what would be informing that gut reaction. It may be that you're wrong, but maybe that you're right. You're just not sure what the arguments are and you need to think about it. It's a little more complicated, it's a little diagram. Well, so I suppose the irony of that for me is that if you draw an arrow from the top page to the bottom page, that kind of describes how I operate. I feel and then I try to figure out why I'm feeling that way and generate the arguments. And then I will be like, these arguments should probably make you feel this way considering this is. So what would have happened obviously is Jay sees Hassan's reaction to Jay's video and Jay's like, hmm, I don't like that. Why is this bad? It has to go through all the arguments and then it says, this is a bad thing that's happening, don't you agree? And she's like, what a vicious way to come up with this, to feel bad and then to try and pretend like you had arguments the whole time. It's like, what? What? That's just never, we do some movies. Like a scene can piss me off and I won't know why yet. I'll be like, that just annoyed me. I'm not sure what it was, but I'll have to figure it out. Yeah, I don't know, this is just hilarious that she's took the time to explain this when it applies to literally everybody. Well, I mean, I don't fault her for explaining this process because I don't think most people are aware that this is how they think. That they have an experience and then they try to create arguments. Just using it in a very dishonest way in this conversation. I don't know, I think people a little bit more credit, they know about this, I think. I don't think that's true at all. I mean, there's entire books on like thinking fast, thinking slow. Jonathan Hyde's Moral Foundation Theory. There's like books that lay this out and people like, wow, really? I'm not talking about anything more complex than you feel something and then you think about why you're feeling that way. No, but I think most people, they tend to think of their rational mind. Okay, so Jonathan Hyde lays this out and he has this analogy. He says that your brain works like an elephant and a little man who's riding the elephant and the elephant is your emotions in all your subconscious processes in your kind of animal brain. And the little rider on top of it, the little man is your rational mind. And most people tend to think that they are the little man, the little guy who's controlling the elephant. But at the end of the day, an elephant's gonna go where it wants to go. The rider only has a little bit of control, a little bit of leeway at which direction he wants the elephant to go. And so I don't think most people are aware of that. I think most people do think that they are logical rational actors, 99% of the time when it's really in the inverse of that. I feel like this is an interesting little rabbit hole because I know that a lot of the goal of like, oh, damn it now I'm saying like, fuck me. The goal of mindfulness or like, holy shit. Oh God, stop it. The goal of mindfulness, spirituality and whatnot is this almost identification that the person who thinks the thoughts, who is the person who thinks the thoughts versus the person who observes that the thoughts are occurring. You know, like how, because I guess it's interesting and thinking about that analogy of the elephant and the person riding on it, that the person riding on it is kind of who we identify as being, you know, you in a sense. I tell you, yes, right. And yet you are kind of inextricable from the processes that are happening beneath it. And yet there is something of a distinction. It's really, this has just given me the big thing. It's interesting, that's all. I'm glad that we can pull some really interesting concept from what has been an incredibly vapid piece of content we're watching right now. And I would just go as far as saying, you've declared that she figured it out and understands it and she is, you know, of a particular level of intelligence, okay? That's why I'm saying that I think a lot of people would at least have the most basic understanding of the process. Well, I don't think she figured this out on her own. She, I'm sure she's heard someone in her sphere say this and she's just regurgitating what she heard them say. In order to make Jay try and try and make Jay look bad. Right. Well, when obviously she has such a profound level of ignorance that she's operating in the exact same way that she's, you know, throwing shade of Jay for operating. Well, I guess it's just, you got to be careful when assuming intense, which I guess it's funny because I'm sure that we have ascribed intense many times so far in the screen. She gave us it. She just said, Jay's got the ulterior motive and it's like, so you're trying to discredit Jay. Yeah. Right. Well, it's always about what goal you have in terms of making these points. Yeah, with their motivation. The goal of saying, oh, Jay, it's about cloud or something is to dismiss the validity of the arguments to try and paint them as, well, no, you don't really value these that much. You've kind of pulled these arguments out to rationalize some sort of self-interest, more so than an earnest attempt to engage with a particular topic. It's annoying things to do. Yeah, because I think a big difference here, intent and motivation, right? Like her intent is to discredit Jay because Jay is fucking with bread and butter. Now, what is the motivation entirely? It's like, could it be strictly money or does she genuinely believe that what she is doing is okay? I do think she thinks that what she's doing is okay. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yes. I do not ascribe to her that she is like money-grubbing and she's like, I can't let this guy expose my evil operation. Like, I don't think it's that. I think a lot of the Twitch streamers are just like, hey, I'm happy being lazy. Nobody's really hurt. Can we please ignore this is happening? I think it's the, you would rather evade being forced to introspect on this because it may lead to some conclusions that you're not happy about. Yeah, let's just get back to the way things were when I was comfortable and I didn't have to think about this. Yeah, blissful ignorance as to whether or not. Which, by the way, you remember? The key to that was to just not reply to the video. Well, yes, because now you've invited this on yourself. Yeah, I think there's very few people that are like, you know, Mr. Burns style, like coming up with evil schemes. I think most people convince themselves that they're the good guy here, you know, on some subconscious level, according to their own process that she's laying out. Emotionally, she's like, I provide and you're kind of like, I give. Well, by the way, this all came out of Jamie, like that fucking joke. And that's why I was just like, only on me. Right. Well, it is funny. It's so little to infer, to make such a massive sweeping statement about intent. It's, you really grasp it. Her further argument is, does it make sense? Because so what if Jay's intention is that he is upset about being money? That's a completely justified thing. Someone is stealing money from you. That's a completely justified thing to be upset about. More fundamental. What does it matter what the intent is the arguments are solid? Right. Oh, yeah, we've always felt that way. So we all know that. But, you know, these people. Well, as we've established, if you can't deal with the arguments, then go for the intent because there's no real way they can stop you if it's just you on the video. You can fucking speculate on that all day long and your audience will love it if they will. Like they're waiting for something to grip as well as you. See, I'm actually willing to ascribe a little bit more malice than you guys are, but not much more. I think now that she's seen this video because you can't unlearn something in a sense. As soon as you know that a fact is a fact unless you like actually, you know, because when you forget things, forgetting is an accidental process. You don't mean to forget. You're not like, I'm just gonna concentrate hard and that fact will vanish from my mind. That isn't how it works. When you forget things, it's accidental. When you learn things, you kind of have them. So I think now that she's watched this video, there's some part of her inside that has a choice and it's like, well, do I accept and I'm kind of a scumbag or do I just play it up? Yeah, or do I just play it up that it's like, well, you know, it's actually not so bad. Just don't look guys, put me back to sleep, but you can't go back to sleep. Now you know. I think I'm more in line with you, Dev, but it's hard to tell because that's the problem with really stupid people. That it can be really tough to peg down where the stupid ends and the evil begins. You know, it can be really tough. So sometimes it takes a while to be gay. Was it stupid and evil together at last? There was a joke in the sentence. I can't remember. I can't remember. I think it was stupid and evil together at last. Hold on, let me find you. Went to Hitler's. To clarify, right. Step fucking one of being able to figure out where you've gone wrong is we saw it where she went, it's wrong. Well, for what was she's like, wait a minute. I can't actually find that. Maybe I'm the bad one. No. Yeah, I think maybe a defense mechanism kicked in of being like, no, no, no, don't think about that. Right, just might have. Oh, no, it was gum and nuts together at last. That was, I don't know. I think stupid and evil was a friendly joke in me. I mean, that's where it is. You said gum and nuts together at last. I thought of a horny lady at a retirement home. You took something that was just an innocent little Simpsons joke and you had to just run it. Yeah, gum and nuts together is pretty stupid and evil, so. You know what I mean? If I was an animator, I would make react content, including my own animations. Animators are notorious about being non-content brain. I know. Non-content brain? What does that mean? If I can translate that, not monetarily brained. Oh, they have, like, hack them and... The idea that they make it because that's what they want it to be and that's not a great format to make money is like a criticism of them as opposed to a celebration that they value the artwork over the money-making. Yeah, just be bragged. When you're making an animation, that takes a really long time because you have to draw several individual frames. That's a lot of work, plus scripting, plus voice acting, plus sound design checks. It's a big old process to make a very small piece of content. You know, the amount of content that you get out of the amount of time you put into it. Animation is quite low on that ratio, but animation is really cool and people do it anyway because they value the art form and the craft. But, you know, it's not as content-brained as just reacting. No, it's the mic still making the noises. Can you please stop? It's a little bit clicky. It's not terrible. It happens here and there. Well, regarding content brains, I've heard this a few times, it's definitely floating around the Twitch space right now, that term. And it does refer to that, the idea that, oh, you should invest your time into something that has a quick turnaround so you can make, you can put out more content and make more internet books. But it's not just that. It's also looking for opportunities to make content. So it's like, oh, I'm going to go to the beach today. Well, I'll bring my streamer backpack and stream from the beach and I'll make a beach. I'll bring my hot tub. I think a clear example of content-brained for animation would be behind-the-scenes stuff, like you can just stream or show your process so that people can learn things about. But it's a matter of time, right? This is all time that could be dedicated to just making cartoons. It's... Well, you could theoretically stream making them, right? Like, YMS is doing that technically for all his videos. Yeah, that's what a Fox in Space, the guy who's making a Fox in Space does just streams of him animating. And it's cool because you can see the process and learn things. But I mean, I guess I just find it funny. It's like, yeah, animators don't have content-brained. It's like, what are you saying? They have creator-brained. Do you can't help with things? Replace with content with steel. Well, let's say that you buy a laptop, okay? And a regular person will buy their laptop and be like, oh, I got a new laptop and they're going to use it. However, a content-brained person will set their camera up and they'll film an unboxing of their laptop and they'll put it on their channel. And there's nothing wrong with being content-brained as long as you're being honest about her and you're actually doing the things that you want to do. Oh yeah. There's this attitude that if you're not content-brained, there's something wrong with you. And I just don't agree. You can have a private life. You can log off sometimes. Well, yeah, so when she comes across the person who says what she's like, why didn't you fucking record an unboxing? And they go, I don't want to. And she'd be like, what? But that's money. It's like, I don't care. You don't have to make, please. You have money as just a means to an end for me. I'm not always hunting it down and searching it all the time. It's a great line in the big short. You don't have to make more money. You don't. You just don't. But a lot of people don't think about that, which is funny, right? The socialist who's like, well, no, I have to maximize my earning potential. It's a very capitalist thing to do. I mean, that's the horrible irony here is, I mean, it seems like she bases her moral system off of how to make the most amount of profit. Because this is the second comment she's made about that. Like the first was, oh, if everyone's doing something that's wrong and they're making money, you're stupid to not do it too. So she's almost saying like, if you're not doing something to make money as your end goal, then you're dumb and you're immoral because you're not acting according to my moral principles, so you deserve it. I don't know if I, I think it's a little bit more simple than that. I think that a lot of people will just act in their self-interest to the exclusion of a lot of other things that they should be. Maybe not should, because it depends on what you value. I think that it can be very easy to settle into a position of, yeah, I need to maximize my position in life. And depending on where you draw the line on things that you value or don't value, it can just lead you to a certain place. Because here it is, I don't really value like fair use as a principle. I don't really, I don't get that much value out of the idea of working for a longer period of time to create an overall higher quality piece of work. These don't matter as much to me as maximizing my position through the means that are available to me right now. I feel like it might just be that, well, probably is that simple. I wanna do what's good for me. I think where the slight complexity is that, yeah, like most people are, they value themselves getting ahead in life generally. And now people define what getting ahead means differently. But, and we all kind of have our lines of morality of like what you will or will not do to get ahead. You're not gonna kill your neighbor and steal their shit, right? Or you're not gonna cheat in line, steal. Well, some of them might, but, but I think where it kind of changes is that she not only values getting ahead monetarily, but she's like criticizing other people who are not viewing the world through this same lens. She's saying they're suckers, they're fools for not putting up monetary success as the prime motivation here. She's the character that you meet sort of early on in a movie who eventually goes on their arc and changes and becomes a better person by the end of the movie. She's that person. Right. Sans arc. Right. Isn't that a arc yet? Funny you said that. I said, what you're talking about. What is it funny that I say that? Why do you say that? Because that was a joke, but you don't say it like that. I don't know how much I wanna spoil. Let's just say that one might assume she has learned from this portion in a later portion, but that would be, I think, a mistake to refer to it that way. Let's go. But yeah, what you're describing is the concept of the time prance, which I know a lot of Ann Cap's like the Lena on it, but it's a pretty good idea. Just the idea that- Are you quoting Hopi? Yes, I am. Well, I thought his name was Prance Hop. I know, I always say the wrong thing. Oh, okay. The idea of having a high time preference is that you can put things off to the future, but rather than get paid a little bit now, you can get paid a lot more later. I mean, I'm not even talking about time preference. I'm talking about maximizing, like her view seems to be I'm going to maximize whatever, my guiding principle is maximizing my own well-being monetarily. And if other people are not acting according to that principle, that's their fault and they're stupid. Yeah, I think I would agree that there's almost this implication why don't you do what I do? Like, why are you- I mean, she said that in the beginning of the video. She said why? Yeah, the attitude of this is like when you're playing a video game and one weapon is clearly busted and overpowered and is scheduled to be passed. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so everyone's like, well, the getting's good. You're a fool for not abusing this exploit. You're an idiot for not doing this stuff, but that's a joke. You don't do it, then you're dumb. That's the perfect example that so many games where you're playing, you're like, oh, you know, the Rock of Launcher is a new tube or whatever is cheap and overpowered. You know, it needs to be nerfed. And then all the people on the forums that use it go, ooh, well, you know, if it's old power, rather than you use it. Yeah, we've had a bit of that. I don't even understand even the concept of trying to play in a fair way or to be sporting is unfortunately lost on many gamers. Well, yeah, because, and if you map that idea onto this conversation, it becomes clear that, you know, they, this is the Vosh argument, like all politics is just power. It's all power. There's no truth. It's all power. Well, that this is how you would behave if you actually believe that were the case. Well, she so maybe she does that. She's consequentialist woman. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, I mean, socialists, right? It's all kind of it all pieces together. You know, it's all coming together. This sounds like weird jealousy. Why does this do care about what other people are doing? Yeah, I just don't understand. Why do you care about why do you care? What other people are doing? Check off. Why do you care that Jeff Bezos makes like 200 billion dollars? Not he makes, but that he's worth that much. A better one to say is why does she care what Jay is doing? Yep. Yeah, sure. But I don't care about anyone else's. What a stupid thing. And you imagine like. Did you imagine restreaming her content? And when she complains, you're like, why do you care what other people are doing? Dude, I fucking guarantee you, if she has any commentary for what's happened here today, it might actually include. They did exactly what Jay is complaining about. So. You just feel like, excuse me. I wonder if I were to just go on Twitch and set up like some burner channels that just went live and restreamed Hassan and restreamed, just stole their stream until they got banned. Would these people complain? I wonder. It depends on who's content you're stealing because they don't have a principle underlying all of this. It's who is the target? Yeah. Why do you care? Why does this do care about what other people are doing? Yeah, I just don't understand it. And if you don't like that other people are reacting to your content, you can just probably, first of all, A, you can message these people all the time and be like, don't react to my content. Shouldn't have to do that. I don't want to. Shouldn't have to do that. Baffling, that's an actual thing of just like, if you want people to stop stealing stuff, you have to tell them. You have to actively, you have to go out of your way, take time out of your life to try and sort all of these things out instead of people just respecting a pretty fair principle which is transform it or ask first. No, the onus is on you to stop me from doing this. Such a backwards, stupid way of thinking about it. Well, you know, when you go into the department store, if there's no sign that says don't steal, I mean, how are you supposed to know when I'm supposed to steal? Yeah, as you're walking out the door, hey, can you not do that? Oh, oh, okay. Oh, no, okay. And then I'll just go to the next door and hopefully nobody notices. Realization we are like, so you don't feel shame when you steal someone's stuff at all, right? And they're like, no. And I'm like, right, okay. So you're a bad person. That's like, yeah. And plus just going back to the whole why do you care what other people do thing? This is coming from the side that's super big into everything around you is the important factor in your situation. They don't play up the personal actions and stuff nearly as much as the other side does. So it's doubly bizarre to hear that statement coming from someone on this side of politics. Why would you care what somebody else is doing? It is really weird. Well, to be fair, they do have this idea that you see a lot where they have memes and tweets and stuff where everyone's saying, if you see someone shoplifting, no, you didn't. It's like, oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that. So you're just stealing, no? Don't report other people stealing. That, yeah, this doesn't contribute to the degradation of society. Yeah, these are very short-term thinkers. These are people who think within the current minutes and anything past that is a fever dream. Also, isn't it a low-time preference? Just thinking about it, her entire job description is to care about what other people are doing. Well, that's what it means to be a political commentator. You're making observations about how you think the world ought to be. What is that if not making observations about how other people ought to act or what they ought to be doing and making judgments of when they do things that you believe are wrong? Yeah, I have a lot to say about what it does. I have a lot to say about what it exists to. Everyone does. This idea that you're not just- Well, pretty much everybody does, yeah. Yeah, I definitely do. Of course I do. Duh. First of all, A, you can message these people all the time and be like, don't react to my content. I don't want you to react to my content. And if they are still reacting- You'd have to even be made aware of it. Or you don't feel like they're reacting hard enough, then you can always try and fucking DMC them or whatever the fuck. Oh yeah, so that's fantastic. React harder. I hate it. Well, if someone deals for you or assaults you, you could sue them. It's fine. You could take them to court about it, whatever. Seems weird. Especially maybe it's from my perspective too, when I make YouTube content, I want people to watch it on their stream. I want people to watch my content on their stream. That's fine. That's your choice. No, change the wording to you want people to steal it with no benefit to you. As soon as you say that, we're like, all right, I understand why you brought that up. But until you do, I don't know why you're saying any of this. Yeah, good point. I don't even get the perspective of like, no, don't watch my content or whatever. I don't know. It's probably because it wasn't that. Jay never said, don't watch my content. The fact that you admit, you can't even understand the concept. Like you don't have to not even just agreeing with it, but you don't get it. Like, come on. Surely you can be able to understand the idea that you don't want to have your shit just taken by someone else. And it's the part that's curious because she defeated herself earlier in an argument, but now she's saying like, there are no arguments at all. And she's like, hmm, I think she understands the argument. I think this is all dishonesty at this point. Hmm. Which streamer watching the video? No, it's not. If anything, you're probably going to get more subs and viewers because a Twitch streamer is watching your video. Well, as we've established, the utility that you gain from is not the point. It's well, yeah, not only is it not the point, but like what you're saying is just not reflective of reality. It's not the point. And if it was the point, it's a shitty one. Yep. This is kind of like artists who get told just to get paid in exposure. Yeah, yeah. The same thing. Yes. What do I mean? Like a YouTuber on the same platform as you is kind of, I can see how you can view that as like, they're literally taking views away from you. So instead of like, if someone looks up your video title on YouTube, they might click on yours first or whatever. Jack made this video essay very early in the React Metis before we knew React Channels helped or hurt channel growth. So you have no idea what you're talking about. Jack's whole problem was that he's getting circumvented. All of his work is ignored because someone else is taking it and benefiting from it. I don't think it would have mattered if it was he loses out one, 10, 100 or 10,000 billion views. The point is just that the act itself is fucking wrong. Well, yeah, because it could be as simple as whatever utility I may get out of it. It really annoys me that someone who did nothing is gaining from my work. Like that alone is enough for me to not want you to do this. Yeah, there's an element of, there's like this, there's a part of our eight brains that recognizes what fairness is. And this is sort of like, yeah, it's not really fair. That someone could just take my shit like that benefit from it. I'm sure that we had this conversation like a day ago or two days ago that it seems to be a pretty near universal element of human beings that we don't like on fairness. Yeah, it's pretty deep in our evolutionary psychology. It is, it is very much like, yeah. The idea that Jack was unaware of whether or not React content benefits people at this point, and he made this point on no, like, no, no. It wasn't the context of what he's talking about. It's away from you. So instead of like, if someone looks up your video title on YouTube, they might click on yours first or whatever. Jack made this video essay very early in the React madness before we knew React channels helped or hurt channel growth. Wait, but this is February. This is just came out yesterday. Oh, God. Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, God, Jesus Christ. Nice. Okay, maybe she is stupid. I take, maybe she's stupid. I don't know what to believe. Maybe. I don't know what to believe. I completely forgot she said that. Oh, God. Oh, no. Oh, God. Hold on. For some reason, I'm not getting the joke with what happened. She thinks that this, yeah, I get it. So she thinks that this guy on screen, Jack, she thinks that he made this just the other day that this isn't something that happened a long time ago. Like 10 fucking years ago or some shit. Yeah. This is the, the Jinx event was a long time ago. Yeah, I get it. Oh, God. I had to put it together. I guess I'm also a bit dim sometimes. I don't know. You have to kind of know the context of it. It sank below your skill floor. You were like, you couldn't see it. Sorry. And obviously Jack is well within his rights to react this way because there's really no meaning. Does she, does anyone in her chat correct her or should just go on with that thinking? Um, I think she might eventually have realized or someone might have told her or whatever. But some of the chat says right now, it says Jack films response to Jinx was from a long time ago. Okay. There you go. The difference between weeks ago and someone just downloading and then reposting one of Jack's videos. Just because some people are okay with this kind of thing doesn't mean you get to go around doing it to everyone. Your partner might be really into hard cactus play, but before you whip out your favorite and the serious tetra bonus, you're going to check and chose this picture because it looked a bit like a willy. That's a very clear. That is a funny joke. It does look kind of like, it does look. Do you want to know what she thinks of it? Here we go. What does she think about it? Mauler, I'd love to know. It was funny at all. It was so cringe. It was funny. It was the worst analogy in the world. Oh my God, I'm so... It's not funny. And it's not a valid analogy. Was it even an analogy? So, here's my question. Is it just because one person is okay with the thing doesn't mean everyone is? How the fuck is that not apt? Or is she referring specifically to the cactus and its shape relative to a willy? No, she doesn't think it's willy shaped enough. Is that what she's... Pretty possible, yeah. That's not funny. Like, it doesn't really scan, doesn't it? I thought it was funny, so I don't know. I thought it was funny too. And I think the only way that you could get away with laughing as you say it's not funny is the follow-up recognition that it's so stupid. Like, it's almost like devaluing it is the joke of it, you know? Right. Like, when you're laughing at something and you're like, this is so stupid. Like, there's an understanding of that's kind of a quality of what makes it funny. Yeah, it's anti-humor. Well, with the way that Jay delivered it. Anti-humor is a bit different. Anti-humor is like a blunt... Isn't anti-humor that you make like an incredibly blunt, harsh and like, kind of true-state? Yeah, like, it's like, yeah, you know what's worse than, like, dirty dishes? Careful, careful. You want to go too. Yeah, I thought anti-humor was driving a really lame joke into the ground until it becomes unfunny and then becomes really funny again. That's what I thought. Yeah, that's like the family guy holding your knee thing. I thought anti-humor was like, pretty much the joke of, oh, well, people are saying that's wrong. Oh, no, one person's saying that's wrong. Sorry, one person said that's wrong. Anti-humor, and if I'm right. Okay, so anti-humor is a type of, yeah, is a type of indirect or alternative humor that involves the joke teller delivering something that is intentionally not funny or lacking in intrinsic meaning. That is anti-humor. It's very, it's an odd, things that are, so like, it's not. Exactly, so this is the yarn, also called a shaggy dog story is a type of anti-humor that involves telling an extremely long joke with an intricate manth, telling an extremely long joke with an intricate and sometimes grisly backstory and surreal or repetitive plot line before ending the story with either a weak spoonerism or abruptly stopping with no real punch line at all. That is an example. And then it actually breaks it down, but I don't know how much, in the interest of time. It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, we can move on. I wouldn't comment on anything if we didn't have Wikipedia. I wouldn't, Wikipedia is very helpful. Yeah. I don't know, I'm sorry. You know that the bottom of every Wikipedia article, all those little numbers, the little floaty ones, those are footnotes. Notifications, yeah. And then they take you to the bottom where that thing by the floaty number was and a lot of the times those are like studies and peer-reviewed papers and journals and books written by expert authors and things like that. Wikipedia is just where they're sort of compiled a lot of the time for simplicity. Like when I was growing up in the school and they would say, hey, you can't use Wikipedia as a source. I was a little smart puppy Reno and I was like, okay. So I used Wikipedia as a source and just use the footnote as the source. And then I put that down and the boomers who said you couldn't use Wikipedia didn't know anything. So I got away with it. And you actually don't know, move on. So I like to learn things whenever I find that there is a dearth of knowledge. So that's the reason why I like to go to Wikipedia so that I can try and learn something when I realize I don't know something about the subject. Some of them said is the skit with Liam Neeson in I think it's life's too short. That's one of the funniest things. I'm pretty sure it is. Just to give you, for people who don't know, it's like Ricky Gervais is like, I'll entertain the idea that you could be a funny person, Liam Neeson. We'll just run with your premise for a joke. He's like, Liam Neeson. I think Ricky Gervais is like, set up a sketch. You'll be a shopkeeper and I'll be a customer. And he walks in and he's like, hello, can I get some boba? And Liam Neeson just goes, no, we're closed. We're not going to be thinking anymore because I realized recently that I've contracted AIDS. And they're both just like, what the fuck am I supposed to do with this as a sketch? Cause he's just stone face staring at them saying that. And obviously how not funny that is, is funny. Yeah. It's like they're parallel sort of with anti-jokes. A lot of the times, I think anti-humor leans a little bit more into the meta side of recognizing that it's a joke. Where an anti-joke is like the one from Jimmy Carr, what's worse than finding a worm in your apple? Being raped. And you're like, yeah, you know, it's like, it's an anti-joke, it's, you know. I would say, I would say that's just a joke joke. That's not even an anti-joke. I think that's often what would be categorized as an anti-joke where it's like something- Yeah, anti-jokes are just so common parlance now that you don't even categorize them differently. Isn't like another anti-joke something like, you know, what was the elephant doing in the freezer? It's like, it wasn't, this is like ridiculous. It can't even fit in. Like that's kind of an anti-joke. Why can't a T-Rex clap its hands? Because they're extended. Yeah, and then it just, right. Or like, because, you know, X, its hands are positioned here. Is an anti-joke, an anti-humor something different? Or are you using them in the same way? They're very similar, I think. But as I said, the anti-humor versus anti-joke, because they're actually a different, I don't know why they would be. The un-obvious punchline, okay. Thank you. I think they're similar, but slightly different. They said, here's the example they gave. Did you hear about the honeymooners who confuse the tube of KY jelly with widow putty? With window putty. Quite the tragedy, all the windows fell out of their new home. I see. You expected to go one way, but it goes the other. Yes. So that's a joke. That's not an anti-joker, anti-humor. That's just a normal joke that goes the direction you don't expect. Right, but I would say like the rape joke would be the same thing. Even if it doesn't have anything to do with setup. I think it's because it creates humor out of the, what, how I'm trying to think of a, it's like a tonal shift? What's worse than finding a worm in your apple? I'm like, okay, this is a fun joke. Nope, being raped and like, oh, yeah, that is a lot worse. Like it's a mood shift that's very sudden and unexpected. Right, but it's baking off of like, we all heard the joke, oh, finding half a worm in your apple, like that's the expected punch line. And it's subverting that with just something that has nothing to do with the setup whatsoever. I guess this is why humor gets complicated because a lot of humor is subverting expectations. And then a heel turn that is surprising. Like a lot of humor is derived from, I wouldn't say, because like shock value was often said in a reductive way, like the shock value is bad. But I mean, an aspect of humor is you weren't expecting that and that's kind of funny. Then again, there's also the whole tragedy as first person comedy as third person as well. But like a lot of comedy just has some, some person who is the loser in their situation. Yeah, did you hear about that half a worm instead of going, oh my God, I was in this apple, I'm a worm and I was in this apple and I got a fucking bit in half. Luckily I'm a worm, so that's okay. But Jesus Christ, exactly. You know how hard it is to disable a worm? It's, you just make a shorter worm. Someone in chat said, Jesus guys, this is ponderous even for you. We literally discussed what is art for like hours and several episodes. And also, you know what? It's fun ponderous stuff, all right? I'm learning new things every day with my Wikipedia articles and all of your insight. I mean, I tried to move this on like 10 minutes ago, but I agree with it. That's okay, we'll, because we're not finished. Are we finishing this today? What do you reckon? Hell yeah, let's do it. Yeah, I'm on board with that. Yeah. Well, I'm on board with it too. I probably can't do the second one. Okay, if we do finish this today, you'll be here in spirit. You are. Oh my God, I'm sorry. That wasn't funny at all. It was so cringe. This was the worst analogy in the world. Oh my God, I'm so cringing. Maybe if you hold your mouth closer to the fucking microphone so that it peaks all the time, people will appreciate that. Maybe that's. Oh my God, Rags, what are you talking about? If you were trying to do that, you failed. I was about to say, even ads, please don't try to peak your microphones. I beg you. I think Discord controls for those sharp sounds. I don't think that's true. No personal responsibility again. I chose this specter because it looked like a willy. Wow. Oh boy. Oh my God. Yikes. Yikes. Did all that try to opera-ish? He's very, very funny. We've hit so many things at once. It's apparently not an apt analogy, even though it really is. It's not funny, even though you're laughing. It's the cringiest thing ever. And then you do a fake British accent that is really painful. Well, remember, she's funny and other people aren't. Right. People who laugh at this. That's something you're allowed to decide for yourself, whether or not you're funny. That's your choice. The cringe of her accent's pretty funny, so. Well, yeah, I find her amusing to watch, because she's such a. Like an animal at a zoo? I didn't want to say it, but there you go. When the chimp pulls out the poop from its butt, and it, like, it pulls it out. It draws a little mustache on its face. That's hilarious. The worst place to draw things on you with poop, because it's right underneath your nose. Exactly, but they don't know that. They're stupid. Oh man. What? Bro, you shouldn't have deleted that. Sorry, I'm sorry. You should apologize with his content. No, you know, it'll be really funny getting up and going to the bathroom and letting it play. Man, just laughing about the thing that's being criticized. She's really amused by her own joke. I know. I mean, I'm glad someone's laughing at her. That's actually like a decent joke. No, it's not. That's the easiest joke you can make. Dev, I'm ashamed of you. No, no, I like that kind of humor where it's like, oh, you don't like the thing? Well, how about I just do it? I get a little, I get a little giggle out of it. The easiest joke possible in this scenario. I wouldn't have the noise of anybody who's pressing you that I don't like. It's so simple. Jay doesn't like that you don't react. Hey, how about I don't react? I'm so clever. How was that great? Listen, listen, listen. I'm not saying I have a great sense of humor. I'm saying that it made me laugh a little bit. OK, it's your alarm in this. So it's not that. Sorry. You're on Dev Island. All right. Only people with low time preference think that joke is funny. Dev. I'm not going to get this gracious. Get wrecked at. Bolova. Bolova now. You like to watch political content and political streaming reaction stuff because it's like you're getting someone that curates videos for you for like five, six, seven. I don't know if anyone's gonna care, but apparently bad boys four is no longer happening because of what happened with the Oscars. What? No! Really? Oh, we needed bad boys four. I thought it was bad boys for life. Now this makes it really truly bad boys. It's not bad boys. It's not meta. Oh, no. I assume you guys are aware, but obviously he's, I don't even know what movies he'll be making anymore. I mean, damn, yeah. I mean, he's done it the way he does, what can you say? Yeah, I mean, like, you went out. No, no, this is actually good. It's time. Will Smith will return to rap. Oh, there you go. Do a second album for Wild Wild West. Are you saying that because it's, because now that he's shown a predilection towards violence, he's gonna start rapping? Oh, you're so racist, Dev. Come on. Okay, jeez. I got it, okay. Unbelievable. You know what? That was also a pretty good joke. I'll take it. So it is interesting to think about Will Smith's long storied career of acting and being famous and very beloved by everyone ends like this potentially. That's interesting to think about. He's like sad, but at the same time, he's like, yeah, well, you're still supposed to fucking hit people. Are you? Yeah. You can't go up and hit people so brazenly and in public like that. You can't do that. Well, it's a national television. I made them all places, and then I just started screaming at him. Didn't even slap him in private. Okay. In the privacy of your own mansion. Ouch. Ouch. Wow. All right, man. Yeah, forgetting that there's a lot of networks that aren't gonna be able to get rid of that straight away. They're gonna be scrambling. What do we do? Is this the script? Getting control groups. Defant movies. Wow. What's gonna happen for sure. Dude, they probably wanted to make sure they broadcast it for the writing. This is like, how can you broadcast that? Oh, my God. I thought in America that was, they bleeped him saying. They bleeped him, but they showed the event, you know what I mean? It might have not been possible. It was so, from what I understand, it was that in Australia and in Japan, it just went out. They didn't wear it in America. They're like, what was the broadcast? Australia and Japan. What was that? Damn, I was about to say, I remember I, cause afterward, cause this kind of just happens. I was re-watching Chris Rock's opening monologue for one of the Oscars that you hosted in the past. He made a joke about Wild, Wild West. He made a lot of jokes about, well, not a lot, but he made a couple of jokes about Will Smith in that opening monologue of people like, man, he was plotting for years, you know? I think this should put to rest any idea that this was staged, by the way. I don't see how anybody could imagine that the Oscars were happily broadcast to Will Smith's wearing. I don't know if he was certain it was staged. It's so weird. Come on, come on, there's no way. It's so awkward. It was so awkward. He had like tears in his eyes. This would, he's swearing. I think he's gonna ruin, like his, this is his night. He's gonna get an Oscar. He thinks he's gonna forever soil that by becoming a laughing stock and by slapping. Yeah, like, what's the joke then? What's the state? What's the, how does he benefit, is the question, right? No, they didn't. They didn't censor it in a lot of places in the world. They didn't censor it in a lot of places. It just came through. There's no way. Come on. And also, if it was a joke, then they, why would they censor it at the whole point? Was that it's a joke or that's a bit thing? Well, no, I think the people are saying that it's like secretly staged by the Oscars to increase their ratings. So the Oscars are gonna pretend like it wasn't a joke. It would sacrifice Will Smith at all times. They might, Will Smith wouldn't sacrifice himself. Yeah, because someone said, bring dot, dot, dot ratings. What kind of person would agree to do this? And like, No, yeah, so to clarify, we're saying it wasn't staged by every component. Like, Will Smith was certainly not fucking in on it. Well, what else would we do? Look at what's happened to him. This is not what he would want. He does not want to disgrace his entire career and lose any chance of making movies again. That is not what he wants. Maroska's way from him that he's wanted for like, what, 20 years at this point? He's been actively trying to get like an Oscar. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. On the fucking night. I don't know, there is a sort of tragedy that you do feel bad for him in a way. Because you're like, God dang, one thing that you did and it's all, now what? You've tarnished your entire life's legacy because you had to hit that black man. Well, over a joke. And also just that there's all those other elements too in terms of their relationship where it's like, oh. Now you're not even the cringy guy from the YouTube rewinds. You're just a criminal. So this article says, they didn't say they canceled bad boys for it. They said it's quote, on hold. So I'm gonna predict that it will become not on hold, you know, in a couple of months when it's all blown out. I don't know, I don't know that if he, how does it work? If you get booed from the academy, like in general, does that mean that, like a few. It just means you can't get an Oscar, right? I don't know, that's not true. You don't have to be part of the academy to get an Oscar. Not everybody's part of the academy. You just don't get to vote, right? You don't get to participate in, yeah, in like a lot of the distributions that are made in terms of, you know, who wins. Cause I believe the academies are like 5,000 people or something, it's not a huge organization. Well, maybe they can arrange some kind of a, like a give and take where each side sort of gets what they want. Like, like a compromise, I guess you could say. And Will Smith can, he can't, well, he can't really vote, but he sort of can vote. So maybe his vote's a little bit more than half of a normal vote, like maybe like three-fifths of a vote. And so they can. What are you talking, he's not in the academy, he doesn't vote on anything. Thanks, Sitch, thank you. Listen, the Americans understand. That's a deep, that's a deep, that's a deep long joke. That's a deep long, that's fine. I'm glad Sitch got it on. You don't understand, rags is a big racist and you're not, so that's good, okay. Yes, well, the black people that was worth. You're in the constitution. Yeah, like, I'm not sure what era that was, yeah, but it's. Yes, okay, right. Yeah, no, I don't see the world through that lens. So, yeah. Good, good, as you shouldn't. Yeah, I don't care about bad boys, that's fine. I'm like, what? That's the real thing, okay. Bad boys, it's not great. What says more about Welsh heritage than bad boys for? Bad boys for life with a four in there, for the four. That would have been the way to do it. Is it as bad boys, does it have a Z in it? I can't remember. No, no, it doesn't. Wow. Wait, it does. Wait, I'm already getting conflicting answers. It doesn't, it is bad boys. It does not. Okay, that's not nearly as super cool, but, oh well. It would be confusing branding because the third movie was called Bad Boys for Life, and I think that they should call the fourth one Bad Boys for Life with a four, but I think that might be a little confusing to general audiences. Oh, the third one? Wait, was Bad Boys for Life spelled with the number four? Because Bad Boys for Life is the third Bad Boys movie. I'm saying it's a missed opportunity. Because it's going to be hard now going forward. It's just going to be confusing for people if you don't. Oh yeah, Bad Boys, Bad Boys 2, Bad Boys for Life, Bad Boys 4. Bad, the A in Bad is a four, so it'd be before boys or something. Before boys. Bad boys before life? Maybe, yeah. Without their parents? They could just... Oh, Bad Boys Forever, of course, yeah. There you go. Oh, it could just be Bad Boy, and it's just a biopic of Will Smith. Or the Bad Boys. You just put a the, and then it's like, that's okay. That's the way to do it these days, yeah. I feel like the Bad Boys would be a really good name for a documentary on cops, the TV show. It's Rise to Popularity. It's filming, you know? What's going, what's going? Oh, sorry, it felt me. Reacting stuff because it's like, you're getting someone that curates videos for you for like five, six, seven, eight hours. You know what I mean? You don't have to go on YouTube and be like, funny video. Good video to watch. Who the fuck does this? Who does this? It's supposed to be entertainment. If this is your attitude when you're looking for your entertainment, you're a sad person. I don't know what to say. Seriously, who's going on YouTube and talking in good fun and video? What is this, 2007? Like, good fun video. You're just looking for memes? Hey guys, I found this video with cats. He's playing a keyboard. Wow. What did you type in to find it? Good, funny video. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Yeah, so she's basically explained her role in life, which is to act as a YouTube search bar that no one has to actually type anything in. It'll just do it for you. This is like the, this is the YouTube equivalent of going to Google and typing in sex and just hitting enter when you're a kid and you don't know how porn works. You're like, sex. You know, I'm starting to realize like, what is it that the service is if they say like, I wouldn't watch this video unless you were watching it and you don't add anything. Does that mean they literally just watching you in the corner and just they're like, I like you. Look at you. Yes, that's kind of what I pointed out when I was talking about my sadder period of existence where I was into this sort of thing. Yes, we're literally, you just want to see, you want the vicarious feeling of being happy. So you watch somebody else being happy at a YouTube video. That's true. I do turn best of the worst on and watch it multiple times over to pretend as if I have friends in the room. Yes. You do that too? We should be, we should be friendless together. Yeah. That was kind of the point, wasn't it? No, yeah. All right guys, we're gonna get together at some point all of us and we're gonna do best of the worst EFAP edition. Honestly, let's just watch all the MXC episodes. Isn't that kind of over? Oh God, those are great. So one good thing about Twitch is there's a Twitch channel that just loops all the MXC videos, all the episodes, just over and over and over. That's why I brought it up because you had mentioned that when you were on last time. And so I knew you were an appreciator of MXC. Oh yeah, I mean, I guess I consider like these two weeks to be a time almost. It's like an arc of a sort. How can you do a days? How can they play all the MXC videos? Because the MXC is old. I thought, didn't they play on spike or sci-fi or something? It was spike, yeah, and spike is not, yeah. So I don't know if the right, I don't know, maybe the people, yeah. It's like if the thing sort of dies, then who really vanguards its copyright protection? Sometimes there's just no one to really do it or they don't care or they've moved on. Or they don't know that they own it kind of thing? Yeah, like, oh, I mean, we own this now because we purchased some subsidiary of this one company that telecommunicate, and they don't know. Yeah, so. Also there's, in watching that Twitch channel of just looping MXC videos, I realized there's a bunch of shit in those episodes that does not fly on today's terms of service. Oh, no, no, no. Yeah, oh yeah. Not only were those shows shockingly cleverly written, and you talk about jokes like a machine gun is that show, but geez, wow. Some of that humor was, it was a pizza cutter, man. It was all edge, because it's a circle. Want to watch video while eating, you know what I mean? You get to just open a stream and you know this streamer is gonna have content that's gonna be worth watching. You're just explaining why. How do you know that? Well, what does this even mean? You're just explaining why people are doing the thing, not that it's good. But how is it different than typing in for a random video? How do you know that the video is worth watching just because someone else chose it? How does that work? I guess unless they assume that your judgment is always straight and true and awesome. That's sad. I know it is. Make your own opinions, holy fuck. Draven true. It's kind of like a lose-lose for streamers. Oh, fuck off. Because if you understand, if you're streaming for a lot of hours, sometimes you just need a break. You just want to go like- Yeah, and then you can just take a break. Just take a break. You don't get paid on your break. Take a walk for five minutes. And you want to know what? I would love to know what. You would never want someone who works customer service to work like five, six, seven, eight hours a day. Eight hours a day? Can you imagine someone working for eight hours a day? I do love the idea, by the way, though. Oh, my God. These analogies that Jay's making so bad, but you know what's an apt analogy for me playing videos while I go just to do whatever I want is when a customer service rep goes on break and their phone is unmanned and someone else takes phone calls. That's a really apt analogy for what's going on here, isn't it? When someone takes a break at work and they aren't at work anymore. I'm still stuck at the she thinks it's weird that people work eight hours a day. Well, I guess she's got to say like without a break. I'm imagining is what she's going to say, which you do take a break though. And then again. You're supposed to. I'd clap and it's plenty of time. A lot of us. The insult to me is just to compare someone in retail in any way, shape, or form to what you're doing here, which is you sit down, you eat food and you watch videos you enjoy and you pay for it. And then it's like, I can't do that for five straight hours. You're like, what? Yeah, it's a recognition of incredibly comfortable existence you have. It's a little annoying that there's lack of perspective. And you just have no idea how good you have it that you can do this, that this is a thing you could do. And you can just survive doing this and thrive doing this. Better than people who are working longer hours and getting paid less by the hour. Just say as well. Imagine eight hours. Like almost everyone in chat is like, what do you even imagine? Imagine, I don't have to imagine. Imagine working for eight hours. You know, when I was in, when I worked in a, as a server in a restaurant and banquets and stuff, we wouldn't take breaks because we wanted to keep making that money, especially if it was at a good time. We're like, break, fuck no. I want to roll in the dough. I don't want to take a break and sit around for 30 minutes. No, I want to do stuff. I want to work. I want to do the job and make the money. Didn't work that way for us in the toy store. It was a nightmare. They were like, you get to have your breaks when we tell you that there's an availability for one. And sometimes you could just be in a day and they'd be like, sorry, there's just no time for you to take a break. Otherwise, things will fall apart. And they like ask you morally to not please, please don't complain about that. We just need you to not take a break right now because there's too many customers. It's like, that's great. Thanks. It was kind of, it was pretty real, yeah. Because with us it was, they'd have to tell us what they would do is they'd say, okay, you guys just like wouldn't take breaks. And we're going to get in trouble for that because you have to take breaks legally. Can you just like write on this time sheet about a 30-ish minute period when you totally took a break? And so we'd have to, we'd go into the time thing and we'd, we're retroactively manually write in when her breaks are so they didn't get in trouble for letting us work all the time. I guess it's the differences between where you work and the jobs you do and who's in charge. It just completely different experiences. Someone's kind of annoyed me. So someone in charge just said, Rags, that's literally her argument. But what she's arguing is that she should be able, yeah, to clarify, right? Rags is saying he didn't take his break because there was so much money to make. She's saying, I want to take my break but people will leave and thus I will not make as much if I leave and stop working right now. And so I'll find a way to circumvent that. I will take my break and use someone else's work as opposed as though I'm still working. Yeah, the whole point of my statement relies on it being the opposite of what she says. Yeah, Rags continues to work, she does not. It relies on us knowing that if we take a break we understand we are not going to get paid for that and we would rather work and make the money and do the job than sit around for 30 minutes or whatever, not doing anything. For us, it's like we wanted to do it. That just means you're a sucker though. I guess I'm just a sucker, which is an interesting argument to make because these are the people who talk about like tip culture and it's really bad and stuff like that. So you'd think that this would be, I don't know, I guess it depends on how they feel about it because it's weird. I guess it's just funny how dismissive it is of like, you know, there are people on YouTube who are really trying to, well, I mean, yeah, they are working, but it's more that they're also like struggling, not everybody on YouTube is making a bunch of money. Some people are artists, musicians, hockey musicians, dude, but just YouTubers putting their just heart and soul into work and really pouring in all this effort and they don't even get, there's a thing, they don't even get discovered, which is the big problem. People will never find you because there's so many fish in that pond that being found is difficult. What I'm getting at is it's just funny how there's like a lack of consideration for how the YouTuber might feel in terms of how it hurts their income or just their capacity to do the work that they're doing. But hey, look, you got to take a shit, right? So who cares? Cause to you, it's just a video. It's that person, it was a lot of work, possibly. And they don't want to put in the work of actually, you know, making their own content to play during the break. They just want to, yeah, that's all it is. They'll fucking hate you if you need to take a shit in the toy store. They'd be like, you better not take longer than five minutes. And they'll be like, okay. And if you did, they'd be like, hmmm. There's like nothing but meat in the cafeteria. Dollar meats. Dollar meat. I don't know, maybe dollar meats might have the opposite of that. These are the bathroom again. That's what we get for selling them that discount wombat or whatever the fuck it was on a stick, this rat on a stick that we gave it, this rat kabob. So what kind of toy store were you at? I've only had nightmare stories about that place. It was fucking horrible. Nightmares are us. Yeah. You go like five minute, 10 minute break. Do you know what I mean? It's supposed to make people happy. Streamers are not incentivized to pause the videos while they're gone. Because- That's an interesting statement. Streamers are not incentivized to pause videos while they're gone. Now- I'm not incentivized to steal whenever I can get away with it. Well, the funny thing about incentives is that they are not mandates or requirements. You don't have to do anything. Yep. Well, we've kind of been over this before. You're treating yourself like you're just some animal. Yeah, we're constantly incentivized to do all kinds of immoral shit. Do you know why we don't do it? Why would you not? What do you mean? Why would you never- Because you're just doing the suckers. We believe in principles. Because we're suckers who believe in principles. She says it though as though it's like, ah, you didn't understand this, did you? Now you do. There's an incentive. It's like, what the fuck are you talking about? That's life. That is all the time. We have incentives to do all kinds of things. But there is in an extremely short term view of your place in society, right? You can say, oh, of course I have an incentive to steal. Of course I have an incentive to do all of these things that benefit me immediately. Because you don't think about the ramifications that it has on other people, the store inventory, prices, just all the stuff that your rampant stealing can cause to everyone else around you. You're such a one dimensional, super short term thinker that you think, oh, I'm just incentivized to do it. So I'm gonna do it. And it's just like I said the last week. Last week was this idea that it seems that a lot of these kinds of streamers have get while the getting's good, do what you can to make that money. No principles, no rules, fuck the system. I can't believe I'm getting away with this, lol. It's that kind of attitude. Also can I just say, Kyle, I see you there on the screen. Not on the YouTube chat. Kyle on screen, can you see that guy? I don't think this is an awful point. Just throw up a BRB screen like most streamers do. Oh, Kyle, beautiful. Oh fuck you, bro. He's getting banned. Oh, Kyle, look out, buddy. Kyle, Kyle, are you disagreeing with your queen? Well, when you know, did you notice her membership badges are literally Pussies, Pussycats? That's fine. Oh, I thought there was, the left of them is like, are they jeans? Pants? Would be denim. Denim jeans, that's what I'm saying. What are the little cat emojis next to their names? I think those are just little cat emojis. I don't know how it works on their names. No, they're before the names, so it must mean something else. It could be the difference between gold badge or a silver badge. Yeah, it could be the T as of subscriber. What rank are you? I'm tapping on what rank are you on Calico? There is length of time you've been subscribed and then there's a mount of Twitch's version of Super Chest, the bits that you've given. So they each have their own badge. You start out as like, you can see any big streamer talk about this. Amaranth has talked about this, Hasan has talked about this. I can tell you from personal experience this is true. When you pause the video, I have had times where I pause the video or I unpause it or whatever and I go literally for five minutes, not never longer than fucking five minutes to go get food. We showed right at the beginning, you went for 15. Yeah, you went for like, yeah. Let's try, but whatever. Yeah. Food, because I'm fucking hungry. And I will lose. Maybe it's like a colloquial vibe. I'll be back in five minutes and you just kind of don't think. Like when you say you'll be here in five minutes. She keeps saying literally five minutes. Literally, literally, literally five minutes. And it's like not literally. It's analogous. Literally, yeah. I will accept, yeah. If you say literally five minutes and you're here in 458, 503, I'll accept it. I'll tolerate it. But don't pull this 15 minutes bullshit. That is not even in the spirit of literally five minutes. So you're trying to adhere to. That is not a principled use of that word. It's literally time, Rags. So what difference does it make? It is literally time. It is. I'm hungry and I will lose like a quarter of my audience. Hassan is like a big enough straw. Wow. Yeah, that must be a hit on the ego. I was gonna say. To know that people aren't willing to wait five. People aren't willing to wait literally five minutes for you to come back. That's how little they value your presence. It makes you wonder, right? Like if we just shut shop. Makes you think, Aruni. But 15 minutes of well, actually no, for literally five, if we shut shop, we just put a screen on all muted and went for five minutes. I wonder how people would stay. Yeah. Let's test it. Start the timer. Everyone fuck off. I would if not for the fact that we are so far behind schedule. We are far behind. The last thing we need to do is literally leave. It doesn't really matter. And he can just pause the video and that's fine. Also, maybe that is, that's like the greatest Twitch compliment. Oh, I'd wait five minutes for you. Some incredible, great sort of, you know, compliment you're worth waiting five minutes for fucking hungry. And I will lose like a quarter of my audience. Hasan is like a big enough streamer that it doesn't really matter and he can just pause the video and that's fine. But like, so it's weird that she would say that about him when he's the main subject of criticism here, as if to say it's like he's she's saying he doesn't get to have the shield I have. And it's like, so you agree with Jay on the Hasan at the very least, right? Yeah, he is. I guess he has less reason to do it in a sense because she can afford it. So yeah, okay. That's the point we want to make. It's your stream, I guess. This is still like people's income or whatever. Like this is still people's like jobs or whatever. It's like the equivalent of like, you know, like, or whatever, like ad block for YouTubers. So yeah, just to clarify, she's saying to Jay that like, you have to understand it's my income that you're affecting when you force me to pause videos when I leave. Right, but who cares about whether it's your income that could be infected and affected by my most unique video without giving any criticism. Taking money out of the cash register and when they implement ways to stop me, I'm like, do you understand you're affecting my bottom line when you do this? Yes. I'm like, okay. The response is of course, yes, I know that. Really is. That's my fucking plan. I'm trying to stop you from stealing from me. Fuck me to try and appeal that way. Like Jay, you're, you're fucking things up for me. Okay. Don't. You know what I mean? I'd rather watch Denim's react to this video than watch it myself. Drew. That doesn't mean anything. She agrees with the video. You agree that you would rather watch yourself react to a video than just watch the video and you're like, it is weird. Yeah. It's like when you're, you're driving down the road, Mahler can visualize this because he doesn't have a- I've seen him on movies. Yeah. So when people drive down the road, right? So the speed limit, right? Which is, let's be honest, it's a minimum speed limit. So you're going down the road and it says 50 and you're doing 55, right? And there's someone behind you annoyed that you're not breaking the law fast enough. Kind of like that. Yeah. That's a good analogy. I'm sorry that like you got unlucky reaction content is as old as civilization itself. Mainstream news like Huck-a-Towson are just reacting to the events of the day and sometimes even include video clips from Twitter. Why are you nodding? Like a clown. That's not a point. That's more relevant. Well, so they're especially now wrong because they've involved reaction content that requires permission and citation and references. This doesn't help you. This goes against you. They said news is reaction content. It's reacting to events. Well, it is interesting to say that like political commentary news shows is reaction content. Yeah. A review on The Force Awakens is reaction content. It's reacting to the dumpster fire of that movie existing. And like reaction content to what happens in reality. Like, do you think that that's a really good way to do it? Like, I guess when you react to events. All actions are reaction content. If I take a video or if like a comment crashed into my back garden, I recorded on my phone and then a news team are like, let us comment on that clip. Give us your phone. And I'd be like, no, you have to pay me. Or you have to get permission. Remember how you see them on Twitter? They're like, hey, can you give us permission to like use this on your news? Yeah. They have to actually do the following property. That's why. So just imagine, OK, you're walking somewhere and you see a shooting happen across the street. The guns are going off and you're like, oh, my God, I saw it. This is my reaction content. Look at all those bad boys. This event. True. Most clips that like you find on like CNN or MSN or any of those fucking news organizations, usually they find clips on Twitter and then they they have to, I think, legally seen in the paragraph. They have to message these people. She's fucked her own position. You have could you said, oh, well, they should ask me to stop. So you're saying that that's what CNN should do. That should just take people's Twitter clips and then then they have to wait until someone asked them to stop to stop. Yeah. So sometimes I wonder with these analogies, just you said it is true, but it's true argument. She shot herself in the face and shouted that she wins. It's like, what are you doing that didn't help you? I know. People will be like, is it all right if we use your video in channel, whatever news or whatever, a friend of mine and have recorded this crazy story. I mean, I don't know if she's realized yet, but this doesn't help her point. I don't know if she has. Storm in New York once and like she posted on Twitter and I forgot I forgot what news channel messaged her. They messaged her on Twitter and they were like, could we use your video for tomorrow's news cycle? And she was like, yeah, go for it. And so like it's, you know what I mean? No, no, I don't know what you mean. It's a really different situation. You know what I mean? That I should be asking these people to stream their clips. Oh, I guess I guess I'm leaning towards you. Just stupid again. This is I'm all over the place. I can't I can't make heads or tails of this person fluctuates. I did. Maybe she's like she's like moon night. She has multiple personalities. One of them is just the evil one and the other is just the dumb one. Yes, the dumb one. I believe it. So I feel like she's already come through in terms of being worse than irrelevant. What do you guys think? Oh, easily, easily. Yeah, the staggering quantity of just horrendous points is so bad. It's not as like self-defeating as I mean, sorry, it is more self-defeating than irrelevant. Like you don't need to know it. So that that's got to weigh, you know, it's got to weigh it up pretty kindly and the ratings and the rankings here. His response to be pretty obvious. It's not the content creators' responsibility to entertain the audience while you take a break. Yeah. Oh, nice comment. That was a good one. Nice comment. What are you doing here? I know, I mean, like, I think that both are valid, you know, and both are valid. I don't know what she means. You can't say yeah and then say both are valid. Yes, is when you say people have no acknowledgement tick, right? So when you see this in all kinds of people in debates and stuff, when you say the sky is blue and the other person says, yeah, yeah, yeah, the sky is red. No, I totally understand what you're talking about, Rags. It's like when you're having a conversation with someone and they say something and then you you you respond to it by like you essentially debunk whatever they said. And they're like, yeah. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no. You don't get to say yeah and run away. Yeah, exactly. They they use yes, like a word that specifically is used for affirmation to respond to things that go against what they say. And they don't even notice it. Like you said yes, you acknowledged what I said and agreed with it and then instantly 180 with the same sentence, just after a period in a space. All right, I guess I guess I'm just driving a little bit closer, though, with what Rags was saying. It would be like if you said it is blue and not any other color. And they go, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, blue, red, green, whatever. Yeah, exactly. Well, they say, yeah, what are you doing? Right. She says both sides are valid. She's saying, well, the other side has a good point. And my side is good because I want it. It's my side. Right, right. My side benefits me as my side often happens to do coincidentally, which really does make it OK. From a certain point of view, the YouTube is wrong. For you, do you have the thing before I hit play? No, let's press on. Like I think probably that the original content creator has more of like a defense, but I'm just explaining why people why streamers don't pause the video. It's because like I know why they don't pull. I know why I told us it's because you're greedy and lazy. That's why that is the reason why it's because you're greedy and lazy. You can dress it up however you'd like. It's because you're greedy and lazy. No, right. They're incentivized. We're incentivized. OK, the evil chat will say no. If they do incentivize to be greedy and lazy. No. I mean, I just find it any other way of describing it because it sounds terrible if they're just honest. When streamers pause the video, lots of people are like, OK, well, I'm going to go watch something else. You know, fine. Fucking bye then. Goodbye. Fine. You're not worth waiting five minutes for. That says a lot about you. It's just the twitch ecosystem. Well, you know, you you could be as Chad as us and actually stay here for the entire duration. I haven't even gone to toilet yet. Well, that's a great segue into me having to go to the toilet. So I'll just get a little job. I'll be back in literally five minutes. Bring up. Pull up Gavin McInnes. Yeah, you don't want to get Kenny Stone. Yeah, just he have kids. What? I got a P. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. That's what happens when you hold your P too much. You get Kenny Stone. Is it? Yeah. I didn't know that. He Gavin McInnes did a debate with Destiny where, like, just below his desk where you couldn't see, he had a can that he peed in. He peed. And you can tell he was doing it because he was, like, moving his hand. Yes. No, seriously. Yes. Yes. Yep. He was like, he was reaching over below the desk and he, like, grabbed something and then he put it and then he moved his hand, like, right in front of him. And then he had both of his hands, like, clearly holding his deck under beneath the table for, like, two minutes. And it's like, you're just peeing into into a can, aren't you? You have to stop this debate with Destiny. I mean, that's pretty base. I don't know. You're Psygma, dude. Yes. We're returning to the era of the poop soccer, but for debates instead of World of Warcraft. Well, it's just weird because she admitted it. She basically just admitted she was wrong about everything after 60 minutes of this video. So I don't even understand where she's going to go from here. When you say she admitted she was wrong, what are you referring to exactly? Well, she said the streamers are more right. Oh, no, YouTube is the more right. I mean, I'm sorry. Yeah. She said that YouTube has more of an argument. Yeah. Right. But she doesn't want to she doesn't want to own it, though. She always wants to run away from from, like, acknowledging the reality of the situation. Well, she can explain why they do it. That's good enough. And it's like, no, we don't care at this point. People have reasons for a lot of things. In fact, it's often a really important part of ascertaining whether or not somebody would even be responsible for some act that's wrong. You know, and the best he's got is they want more money. You know, like, right. Yeah, pretty much. You don't want to lose viewers. You want to make more money. Yeah, pretty straightforward, simple, dumb. Yeah. Oh, no, he's doing his dishes again. No, just like a parrot in the background. What was that? Squawk. I just want to try to listen to regs as best as I can. Figure out what he's saying. Sub-de-fap, Squawk. She says a parrot that makes, like, pots and pans. Vogue. All right, I'm just going to hit play. You know what I mean? And if you're a big content grader, maybe you shouldn't do that because you have enough viewers that it's fine. I wonder where the line is, Denims. So if you're small enough, sufficiently small enough, you can do the wrong thing because the loss that you suffer is more significant than the loss they would suffer, I guess. It's a principle that is broad and all-encompassing because as we talked about, the principle that rest is here. The way that it works when it's your property is that your rights are enforceable on the world equally against everybody and it's all down to what you want. It doesn't matter what their circumstance is, it's yours. It belongs to you. I thought people with less people watching them were able to break into your house still. It's when there's loads of people watching. That's the way that it works. If you're poor, you have more of a right to the house. Yeah, because you could do that more. I mean, this is like, I don't know. This is a super, super common psychological defense. It's like, oh, I'm stealing the candy bar, it's a giant corporation. I'm just stealing one candy bar, it doesn't matter. But then as soon as they enter the position of power, as soon as she reaches Hasan's level, she's like, oh, well, I have to keep doing this because I have to maintain my empire, my power, my audience. In any drop, we'll lessen it. Well, she's already condemned Hasan by condoning that he should be criticized for this, but she'll end up not really noticing that. She's supposed to be said twice now that Hasan doesn't have the excuse, but that doesn't seem to come through in its own thought. But what I'm saying is that Hasan had the exact same, probably the exact same thought that she had when he was smaller. So if she became Hasan's size, she would just instantly turn it around in her mind and be like, oh, OK. I think you're right. I don't think she'll stop doing this until she is forced to socially. And by that, I mean, lots of other streamers are like, we shouldn't do this anymore. Well, I mean, she'll tell us which stops her. As I'm saying, it'll be a big social pressure. It'll be to ask the only two things that could happen. But if you're a smaller content creator, like you don't even have the like ability to do that or whatever. Not like ability, but you guys understand what I mean. No, I don't understand what you mean. I don't. I legitimately don't. If it. Yeah, I don't. I think I think she's making the claim that she can't survive unless they do this, which I think is. Yeah, that she's making the claim that she's making enough money. She's like, oh, I'm I'm a struggling working class person like everyone else, so we can't stop. Can't stop the grind set. I mean, is she living? That you know, or is she? Yes, she does. So how could you tell? As a streamer, you can live in a lot of places, really. Your job is not super location dependent. I guess it depends on what's exactly I can move. We can move pretty much anywhere we needed to and still carry on our jobs without any change as long as that's good. Yeah, as long as the Internet. I guess that's what I'm saying is it's like I can't survive. It's like, well, you could make all the choices, but you could move to another state and save a bajillion dollars every minute. You wanted to die, you know what you're saying? You wanted to stop the thing is like the twitch meta right now is that everyone's moving to L.A. Because all the streamers are in L.A. And they're all like networking and making connections and going into those streams and like leeching on this. Things that are required to be approximately physically close to it. Yes, it's ridiculous. Interesting, like if they can like show up at somebody else's house and like walk in and be on their stream, but there's there's there's like an appeal to that. I get it, but it's also cancer as fuck. Well, so I don't what I'm all I'm getting at is that like the idea of well, I'm just surviving. It's like you have choices and options available to you that you're just not considering. And it's always it's it's it's it's pretty simple. Right. The choices you make. Just like your priorities here. If you're like, I I'm struggling, but I want to live in L.A. Then you're saying, yeah, you care more about the utility of living in L.A. or like California or whatever. Then you care about when I do the work of optimizing period or compromising on on on like the way that you do your content in order to maximize your position. It's all trades. But don't don't present it as you have no options here. I have to steal. It's like because I'm struggling. It's like you you have choices. Yeah. And I think the other aspect of this is that I feel like a lot of people feel like they can just start streaming and that's your job now. You can start like this is like for years. I made little YouTube videos on the side as many people do. My dry bread. You brought him up earlier. I think that's a credible example. Worked his ass off for years making videos. And then you get your break. You get your it works out. Finally, it clicks. You get big enough. And now it can officially become the thing that you devote all your time to because I was not my job. I did full time job and then I made YouTube videos and stuff. And then I went to part time job and devoted more time to YouTube and stuff and life's weird for me now. But it was a it was a gradual progression to devoting time from one thing to another. And you don't just get to start it. And that's your career now. Like you're going to start money. You can just start it as long as you accept that there's going to be tradeoffs for that, that there is a chance. Well, started in the sense of, yeah, that I get. That's what I'm meaning here. You can't just start it and say, like, if you're doing something and you say it's a career, but you're in the red constantly and it doesn't make money and you have to it's not really a career. It's just more like a failed hobby that you're stubborn about. But in order to really make it a job job that pays all of the bills, then you it might take years, literal years, many, many literal five minutes for you to actually get to the size where that's viable. Yeah, I think a lot of people just have like this idea that, oh, I'll just become a content creator like it's it's going to school to become a whatever it's not. It's it's more luck based. Find your favorite YouTube content creators to stop playing them on your Twitch stream. It's like, wait, what? Step two, move to LA, meet somebody on the stream. What's the kind of shit where if you have a friend who's like, oh, man, I can barely scrape the money together to buy food every week. And then you find out they keep spending loads of money on like Funko pops. Like, um, yeah, they live in California and they spend all their money and poorly. And well, it's just because in America, right? Like the rent seems to very substantially depending on where you live. Absolutely. Like here in Arkansas, if you're a single guy and you're making 30,000 a year, you can live pretty well. Whereas if you live in California, you're fucked. But you're like, yeah, you look nice. Hell, yeah. I understand that you got unlucky. Jay XC. And that Hassan happened to go to the bathroom when your video was playing. She happens to go to the bathroom. 99 percent of probably his content. He is like, here it comes again. Same. That doesn't. It doesn't matter because Jay had all of the utility of his video taken with nothing like, oh, so I like that. That's meant to be a consolation. Hey, look, he didn't do this to everybody. Just you. So, oh, dude, when you start to reapply that argument in other scenarios, it sounds fucking terrible. Yeah. Well, and also like Hassan does come back for like half of the video and he just sits there and eats. He doesn't even comment when he's there, really. Well, I mean, she's worse than Hassan. She doesn't even show up sometimes. Court pause and I'll be reacting. You know what I mean? I feel like he usually finds a clip for us to watch when he goes anywhere. Yeah. What he finds a clip for us to watch as if it's a service. I hate it. Thank you so much for providing me with someone else's content, Hassan. You're such a good person. Let me pay you money and sub to you for providing me with entertainment. I'm so stupid. I can't do that myself. We're still awkward about when I showed the Charlie Supercut, the the critical one, where it would be like I would fast forward through him not talking and then it would slow down. He'd be like, thanks for subscribing, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then it would just fast forward again as he's watching the whole video and then he stops again. Thanks for subscribing. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, oh, my God, this fucking system. But you just watch other people's stuff and get the money. It's like, the hell is this? To be fair, the next week's coverage, I will have an addendum on that, the Charlie stuff. I think, Rags, you may have no idea, but Critical put out a video basically saying Jay's video was great and that he fucked up when he did the coverage. From what I from what I understand, he was like the only person we covered who actually said, oh, yeah, I shouldn't do that. My bad, man, let me try to make up for it. And the best part is Hasan commented on that situation being like, for some reason, people hate me, but they don't hate Charlie. Because Charlie did what you do when you mess up. You say, oh, I messed up. Let me make it right or help to make it right. And he did. And that's like, yeah, that's good. It makes him look better. He's he makes him look like a good Hasan. This makes him look like what we call a good person. I feel like it's got to be like, it's got to be. I don't know. I don't believe you. Someone who has a disability or something, right? I'm not sure. No, it's funny. It's funny. Jay, it's it's a wonderful timing. Wonderful comment from Hasan, because it's so accidentally ableist. It's like, yeah, this place is fucked up. It must have been a disabled person. Like, why would you say that? But let's see what Denims has to say. All right, words. And those gears are turning. Um, I genuinely think she's figuring out what to say. She doesn't know what it is yet. You can do it. OK, sorry. I'm going to say it again. I'm literally going to say it again. Yes, figuratively, this just seems like coping. I'm sorry. This just I'm so sorry coping, coping. Now, it may be hard to understand what the hell she's even trying to say here. She, just to give you the shortcut, believes Jay just did a bad faith on Hasan because Jay hates Hasan and he's coping with this. Let's see how she explains it. OK, I have to say something really quickly. I think the metaphor for this conversation is pretty hectic. Technically, it's a reasonable streaming permission to play a video game on stream, but people do it with a little pushback. Yeah, obviously. I shouldn't this guy be happy as I'm reacting to this kind of alarm. It's just something he's he doesn't like that he walked off in his content and he's stealing his content or whatever. Or whatever he doesn't like it or whatever or whatever. You know, I used to have whatever fuck it. Why isn't the reactor laughing at my jokes? Also, like, there is, like, because he's not present. Like the chair is physically incapable. It doesn't have a face to make the expressions with or the ears. It's the chair. That's why Mel's a genius. Shelly has an expression. You have nothing you can add. So like, sure. OK, really quickly, a couple of points for starters. I want to go back to the point about how live streaming content is always going to be different than YouTube content because you can't edit out all only technically, I guess, all of the the bits and pieces. You can't edit out all of the bits and pieces to help her brain here that is struggling. It is like crawling through a storm. Help you can't edit out the struggling, Mahler. To help you say what she's trying to say, it is that when you do a YouTube video, you cut out all the parts where you're thinking, where you're wondering, where you're wondering if you're going to even respond. Yeah, the arms, the arms and the legs. But with a live stream, all of your gaps are left in by necessity. So it's not fair to compare them. And we're just sitting here like, who the fuck compared them that way? That that would be a contradiction to their argument. Like, what are you talking about? This isn't Jay's point. OK, if you see someone say something like you did just there, what you do is what you did. You pause and you stare for a while until you go, right. I have an issue with this because of a, you know, like how slowly she's doing it. Like, I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting a distinct impression at this point that you're not particularly good at your job. Unfortunately, like you're not a very good reactor. You take a long time to figure out what points you even maybe have and you often contradict yourself. Which isn't fantastic for a reactor. You know, sometimes when Jordan Peterson. He's asked a question, asked to give his input on something. He will listen and he'll be quiet for a bit. Because he's thinking, what am I going to say? What is my what is my thought process going to be? And then after he sits there in silence for a bit and thinks he gives out all of his thoughts, agree with him or not. He gives out all of his thoughts that he, we assume, moments ago was just thinking about. And for her, she has the same silence. But then like nothing valuable comes out as a result. I feel like it's just wasted time. Just say whatever you need to. The gears grinding down. With Jordan Peterson, he's got this like incredible sea of words that he's picking one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one. And this will be the sentence with her. I think it's a bucket that she's rattling to try and get anything out of and like nothing coming out. So come on, come on, come on, come on, come on. Got to be something. Yeah, yeah. Like your shit. Yeah. Whatever gets through the little crack at the bottom of the pot. You know, that's just oh, that's this. Here's a thought that I'll use. Here's a word. Here's a letter. We'll make it work somehow. Well, it says is cring true. Le Cronche. Yeah. It's like Jordan Peterson is charging up an attack, you know, and she's just buttering. She's just sort of AFK and then she gets back. Oh, fuck shit. Yeah. Sorry, guys, I was those away doing something with my brain. No, Jordan Pearson is charging attack. She's falling downstairs slowly. Can we can we argue she hurt herself in confusion? She hurt herself in confusion. You know what I mean? Like you can't edit out all of the little like, like, etc. You know what I mean? Like there are a lot of people who did the thing. But then you just like right after that. Yeah, she did the thing while doing the representation of the thing. There's no self-awareness of you should be. I wish I could edit this thing out that I do immediately does it. I thought Jay was criticizing Hassan's reaction because it was stupid, not because he was saying, um, like. Correct. Yeah, it is. OK, she is off the reservation again. She's just wandered off and is responding to points that nobody made. Well, it's twenty twenty two. You can't you can't use that. It's fine to be off the reservation. Oh, wait, we went different directions with that one. But portions during a react stream where you're like you're sometimes you get like terrible brain fog or you're thinking about other things like I'm sorry, guys, if you have you guys ever been at work before and then you get like a message. Yes, we have. We have. Yes. Once or twice. Sometimes for eight hours a day, if you can believe it. Whoa, no, no, that's a fantasy, Rags. She said, imagine it. Oh, I don't even know if she actually said, imagine it, but she has to imagine it. Imagine, all the streamers. Someone in there like, oh, my god, like my cat just died or something like that. And you literally can't think about work because you're too busy trying to like comfort this person or you're too busy thinking about this or this or this or this or whatever. Um, this happens to me all the time where I'll be too busy thinking about something else while I'm constantly trying to think You should download more brain RAM It's just you're describing a pretty common thing, but you just got to you got to control this is not an excuse like Ready of this shit There are people who have gotten into car crashes who are a little bit absent-minded. Um, that's bad You need to try and control it That is an explanation not an excuse. Well, it's it is an understandable phenomenon I'm sure that we've all experienced that before in fact It's I would imagine it's actually fairly common that you have things on your mind that can distract you But you just got to get on top of it. Well, it's maybe it's uncommon for her that she has things on her mind Well, she's saying it's very common and I'm just like I don't know just it's reverse projecting She's it's describing a real thing Yeah, um, you just got to try and stay Control it. Yeah, what she's doing is she's saying And much the same way that a streamer someone who needs to be online for hours at a time Presenting ideas giving insight speaking entertaining doing something It's like saying it's it's don't If a carpenter comes to your house and they just do a really shitty job and the nails aren't in all the way And things that are supposed to be right angles are just They're cute nub poos and everything else and they say, you know, sometimes you're just You just can't hammer in straight and your arm gets sore and you know Sometimes your hand slips while you're trying to get those nails in the plywood and you know, anyway, that's uh, that's 450 Um, exactly. Yeah, it was the customer like skip to the part Will you tell me why you're telling me this and they go, I just want you to understand why it happened You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but what do you think happens now? I am I am paying for this? You pay me because I am providing a valuable service right The guy's like, all right, we're gonna put in the pagola. Uh, oh, right. I forget there's different lingo in different countries Okay, we're gonna we're gonna what's pagola Pagola peg or la h. It's like a it's a um a pagola is you know, like an outdoor space that's roofs with a I think I think a pagola describes the overall thing like the veranda. Oh, okay. I got you. I know what you're talking I looked it up. I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, maybe that is what they're called But I've just never heard them called that There are like not a porch a porch is a porch is at the front of your house a pagola imagine a porch That's really high and above you Yeah, uh, sure. Uh, let's let's say that they're gonna do that and it's like, all right. I'm going to work. I'll be back Uh, and you expect it to be done and then you come back and I don't know this is the pile of of like Un unused materials and broken shit all all on the ground And then he's like look man. I'm getting divorced. I got a lot in my mind It's like cool. I asked for a pagola and I do not have one I have a pile of shit in my backyard Now the the point is that you in the world that we live in have obligations and things that you need to be doing And having a lot on your mind generally is not an acceptable answer for fucking things up Yeah, we all have a lot on our minds. We're always got problems We have brains full of thoughts We all like if you stole a chocolate bottom, like what are you doing? You're like i'm hungry Yeah, okay Why else would I steal I want to eat it Do you guys like ever Think thoughts and you're thinking about those thoughts so thinkingly that you stop paying attention to what's going on around you Does that ever happen to you guys? Sometimes it happens, but it turns out. I just repeated something moller and fringy said well Oh, damn. There's so much. Oh, wait. I'm sorry. I was thinking. I didn't what did you say? Could you say that again? I can't remember. I was too busy and thought it's gone forever now Oh, okay I mean to be fair I used to lose I used to lose thoughts when I was younger sorry Someone in chat has just made a simpsons references very apt because they said fringy in the pagola that love builds now As flanda's aptly puts my family and I can't live in good intentions, marge. It's a good point Oh, like I intended to react to your video. Sorry. I didn't do it very well And it's like I don't care what you intended to do. I care what you did Oh, exactly. Oh, your family's out of control, but we can't blame you because you had good intentions It's like this is a very good point that flanda's has made Good intentions. Danum's needs to watch Hitler had good intentions Wait, hold on. Did he I don't know if he had good intentions for his own people. I guess Yeah, of course. He had good and what you think he was just you think hitler was the villain in his own story Right, of course. He had good So These people because they're socialists. They're also materialists. It kind of comes with being a socialist So they don't care about non-material things like intentions. They care about ends And yet they're they're they're appealing entirely to intentions It is it is funny, right to be in the camp of consequentialism But then constantly justify whatever the bad outcomes are for what you do because of your intentions And it's funny because the intentions suck the intentions are I want to make money And he can't even have good intentions for your good intentions These are subpar intentions Also, we've mentioned many times that she's shot herself in the foot. I like the image we've got here Assuming I have a shot at herself headshot. Yeah, brain shot Also chat I I take umbrage At those moments where I repeat Mueller Fringy or whoever as Biden moments Biden is lost in his own head because his head is empty in full of nothing It is a a vapid emptiness the empty echo of death inside of his senile head I repeat things because my mind is just Fluttering full of ideas and thoughts and it's just a beautiful kaleidoscope of wonderful things inside of my brain It also may be that you're not paying attention to what's been said and then you just repeat the point I'm not I don't I don't know about that chat. You have full permission to continue calling them by the moments. Don't worry about that That is unacceptable and inaccurate at worst. No, no, no call them Brandon moments Brandon moments Let's go ragsden dream and then it ends up just coming off as like, um This is like What is it like the you know, whatever blah, blah, blah Oh, yeah That cleared things right up wasn't this pause right after I'd said let me help her out because her brain is like crawling through mud That was the extension of that like Um And also, yeah, it's not apologize and said he wouldn't watch jade's videos anymore. So I don't even understand Like what you know what I mean? Oh my god Um Listen, I said sorry after I raped you. So come on. Yeah, I said it would never rape you again. Okay. What's the problem? Oh bad Jay's already made the points clear as to what the problem is and how many times has jay got to clarify with everybody That he's okay with people reacting to shit Apparently not enough because people still don't understand what he's saying It seems like jay has to repeat himself a lot in order to get this across. Hopefully nobody doesn't worry about that This is a willful ignorance at this point jay could repeat himself a million times and it won't make a difference What you know what I mean, um No The fourth was it doesn't really exist on twitch. Also. I think the son said it was because chat was rolling the homeowner Oh, okay. Yeah, that mean that makes sense. That makes sense So just to clarify your channel just told her The essentially the situation was jay point is pointing out all this stuff is weird And then people in chat are like wow must be an idiot must be crazy must be like a cave dweller Must be like a gross person blah blah blah and so then hasan sees that and he's like no chat You're being insensitive because It could be that the person who lived here was someone who's you know facing a lot of hardship a lot of mental stress several maybe Mental drawbacks and you're insulting them for that when they struggle to reach the levels that me or you May do easily in the day. So you see hasan was like the hero He was trying to protect the person who theoretically owned this house and jay the villain, of course Comes in and says like wow hasan being able to say no hasan was clearly defending the person now I'm about to show you What happens right? He's not here. He comes back and says the thing Do you get the implication? He read chat to do this response or that it's on its own I don't have a chair planted in front of my laundry machine just so I can watch it run, but each to their own a I feel like it's it's gotta be like uh It's gotta be No, no Why do all these people's brains run on zero miles per hour like because they're because they're always reading the chat for just for Recommendations waiting for someone else to make a point that they can Yeah Like someone who has a disability or something right like it doesn't make any sense If you call that he said It's gotta be someone with a disability because otherwise it doesn't make sense That was his point. There's no other explanation Yeah, it's not that someone in chat said lol. Look at this freaks house and then he's like whoa, dude That could be a disabled person you're talking about he just said it's gotta be disabled. How else could it make sense? right The true fuck you would be for his son to not even watch this video on stream or To watch the video on stream and went go to the bathroom the whole time You already made that joke. You already made that That was so long ago At least I waited Well, it wasn't as good the second time It was never good it was always bad. I agree it wasn't for the one guy who liked it. It wasn't good the second time You guys aren't being fair as the expert. I will take dev is the first joke She said she should watch the video and then leave her chair there and the second joke He said Hassan should watch the video which is even funnier. Okay. It's different joke I literally can't even wait to the end of the video to make my commentary otherwise I'm gonna get called. I'm gonna be called on another lazy react streamer No, otherwise I'll feel bad because I have no pride in my work And I'll realize I'm sitting here doing nothing providing nothing and yet somehow getting money And that makes me feel bad because I feel like I've cheated the system Well, and also like what are you gonna do? She's gonna keep like notes for an hour long video I was gonna say how do you write like you know after the end of it She's gonna speak for three hours afterwards like every fucking thought you have over an hour Related to every point Jay makes and all the references Jay has you what that that would be so why that would just be so inefficient yes Who who isn't saying anything? So I literally have to be bad faith whatever the fuck and pause champing and saying my opinions Pause champ all the way through This is where you are She described herself as operating in bad faith by the way Yeah, yes, it's just that it's just oh I know this is like because I do some streaming on twitch and that's what it is I thought this was the cousin of clip of chimp clipping was pause champing pimp clipping Chim clipping is what I mean Yeah Is that when you hit an orangutan road with your car? Chimping is when you take a clip out of context and then try to spread it around to make someone look like a piece of shit Wow What is the I don't see the connection between the chimp That's quote chimping not clipped I don't know I always Chimping vaguely racist to me, but I'm gonna say why are you drawing a difference to you to clip in a quote? And oftentimes it's the same thing. Oh, yeah, sure. I guess I'm just mixing them up in my head Um, but I'd seriously I don't know how to describe herself as operating in bad faith. I don't know if you call that Who who isn't saying anything? So I literally have to be bad faith whatever the fuck and pause champing and saying my opinions Like all the way through you can't have good faith commentary I don't know. This is what I mean. I have no fucking clue why she described herself as bad faith this like wait Yeah, the mask just a mask full I just have to there's nothing I can do. I'm so bad mask era slips The only thing I could possibly try to extrapolate from what she said is that she's She's saying that if she's pausing it too much She's gonna like miss parts of the argument and not or die She's gonna miss part of the argument and then give a commentary that's incorrect Ironically, she is correct because that is exactly what she does But that's not a reason for why that would happen because we if we miss a sentence or talk over one And just give it the old rewind and she can do that. What wait, wait, we don't have like a time machine or something Oh god, don't remind me of that Jesus Do you know what I mean? No, I watch it on stream then if you can't add anything to it. Well, Wade Caroll I see this is your first message or at least for today. It is your no, it is your first message ever Why do they do this? Yeah, I was actually hurt. It's just humiliation Let me find out your history to see if I can dismiss you immediately. Oh my god. It doesn't even occur to me Doesn't even occur to me to do that I never You always said why watch it if you can't add anything to it the most normal question you could ever ask Wait a minute. Let me find out if you've ever said anything about you What can I use against you while I read your name out very slowly to draw everybody's attention to you? It's like a fucking cult leader who's been questioned He made the mistake A lot of like switch behavior feels like Like public public execution So they're calling your name up and they're coming before the group and then the leader's deciding whether they're gonna hang you or not And they put your name on screen and read your message Well, and so she's pissed at him as well because she's like, yo if you would let me talk instead of interrupting You'd know that I have a second point to make and I'm gonna Rewind us in the video To let you guys think about whether or not if you were a commentator you'd think that she's making a second point If you could wait for two seconds if you could wait Wait, ha ha get it wordplay um for just two seconds. Okay Okay, because you have to wade through all this the swamp of commentary. Yeah, see we can we can all do it Rags, this is the cut vision. I got rid of all of the useless time Oh, no, this is the refined diamond that I made from that chunk of coal Oh my goodness um I was literally gonna say my second point. Okay I so go ahead How she delivered point one of two does this come across to you as delivering point one of two Literally can't even wait to the end of the video to make my commentary. Otherwise I'm gonna get called. I'm gonna be called on another lazy react streamer Who who isn't saying anything So I literally have to be bad faked whatever the fuck and pause champing and saying my opinions Like all the way through no imagine Do you know what I mean? So how can there be so much time left in this video? I don't know. Um, sometimes you can't perform occasionally It can see now. She's reading comments. So I'm sorry Usually you end a sentence with us an inflection that indicates that there's more to say Yes, dev when you end videos you end with a certain inflection so it doesn't just I don't want to have this. I don't want to have this fun. I want to talk about It's the uh, it's the number one number two the jar button thing where it's like, all right And that's number one and number two so that people know that you're about to make your second point You know, like you don't you don't just end and then it's like someone asked you a question It's like when you fuck I was about to get to that. That was my second point Which clearly you didn't have a second point Like I don't know barely had one She made her main point which is the hey, I have to pause a lot and that's making me be bad faith Then just okay. If you've got nothing to add just don't fucking react to it. That's like whoa, dude Also, I'm not done. If someone else's fault, I'm bad faith Can be weird for someone to not understand that especially if you just I was literally gonna say my second point. Okay Literally my second point has been There is content I literally don't watch on stream because I have nothing to say or react to it So like I literally told people stop sending me fd signifiers videos because so this is an interesting point She's saying there are videos that she will not watch on stream because she cannot add anything to it Do you remember what she said at first that when you watch it with the community? Even if you add nothing that is a fun thoroughly different Because there's something in your head she there's something in a What I drew from this was that means that she is very aware that there is a distinction Between what she doesn't have commentary for and what she does have commentary for So everything we see on her streams is gone. It has been Passed through that filter So we're getting the stuff that she's like. Yeah, this is something that I am ready to comment on I think I want to distill it Or thing there is something in your head that tells you I ought not react I ought not play publicly anything that I have insufficient reactions for that is indicative of some sort of standard as to transformative content nest Which is pretty interesting considering the other excuses she's made so far, but okay Remember earlier when she brought up the intuitionist model about how you Have an emotional reaction to something first and then you just try to create post hoc rationalizations It's almost like She was just bullshitting in the beginning of this video when she said it created a communal experience and now She's being exposed for being full of shit She would go to a commune and they'd be like, I'm sorry. We already have a react streamer You can you can farm the lands and she's like I don't want it. It's like you can farm the lands You can dig for potatoes Because I love them so much Dig for the black lemons black lemons Much, but I have nothing to add to the melons and oh by the way, that's probably the most genuine thing She says in this entire sequence. I have nothing to add to the content. It's like hey Yeah, you did it. Yes. I don't know. It's like, oh, yeah, I believe you. Yeah People stop sending me fd signifiers videos because I love them so much But I have nothing to add to the content And what what youtubers don't understand is chat will like bother the fuck out of me like watch the video Watch this video. Watch this video. Watch this video. Watch this video Oh, no, it bothers you people spamming it and then you watch it and there's nothing you can add to it My god the hell they go through I can't believe it That sounds really rough man. That's how I'm so glad that I'm a youtuber and not a twitch streamer I'm so glad man. Oh imagine. It's hell. I could never get you to free to your chat Yes For not reacting Chat was like we would really like you to see arcane and I was like, oh my god Rags, I don't think I can stream anymore. I can't take this like people ask me I don't yeah, I It's too much too much pressure. It's too much pressure I can't do sometimes even two or three people might ask you. Have you seen arcane? It's like, okay I'm done. I never signed up to get to four. I just curl up in a little ball and I can't operate I've had legends that it can get to five people individual people Like this kind of weight on my shoulders. I can't I'm not fucking atlas over here. I'm just a cheapy dog I can't do it. I can't hold up the world of expectations that has been dropped on me I didn't I don't know what I did deserve this Yeah, I just have a moment of appreciation for denim's being able to deal with that because that's Actually impressive and I understand now. I was blind before but now I see Yeah, I'm just gonna put on a jxc video and go take a shit Like I literally don't want I literally don't want to watch FD signifiers videos not because they're bad, but because they're so good. I have nothing to add to them That's a weird implication by the way, they're so good that I have nothing to add to them Which by the way, it's not a problem for us. That's not how that works Well, it's just very tell the videos that I watch I can help kitchen is not good enough to add to any There's nothing that you can yeah, and that is really funny. She thinks that she's improving the content Well, I'm sure she does think that she's improving it to some extent, right? That's why you're watching it on her stream rather than watching it there, you know This should have been very evident From like the amount of people that wanted to watch like death note on stream Or the amount of people that want to watch like master chef or health kitchen on stream Like it stops being one person making content like a person making react content And it starts being like a bunch of people watching something together as like friends almost, right? So like Even if right. Yeah, sure There are times when I am streaming health kitchen and I don't even feel like I'm adding that much There are times let it let it be known That I want to go to my little doggie grave one day Never having to have said when I'm streaming health kitchen Not counting this part where I reference saying that thing hypothetically But it's like about like the Community watching like in the same way she said what she's like nothing to add It's more about the community and then later on she's like I have videos where I can't add anything and I don't watch them With it like watching a movie by yourself is always almost always going to be less fun than watching it with other people Do you know what I mean? And I think that this really was like amplified and like made obvious During like the peak of like the you know, pokeman getting banned and disguise toast and everything like that Just a watch party. Yeah, exactly The community it's fun to watch something together as a community So I wouldn't watch shows like master over hq without hk without people like you are saw and there's an entertainment value Yeah, of course. It's like vibing with stoner friends. Exactly. Yeah Good content does not equal good react content. Exactly The whole point of react would be showing that your reaction. It defeats the purpose if you already know the content. Yeah, exactly I wouldn't uh, okay. Denim's arguing with denims at this point. I would like to put them in the same room When one of them says like I can't react to fd signifiers just too good And the other one goes well, no Community watching it together is a form of transformative, isn't it? So we should be doing that and she's like, well, no, I don't have anything to say It's like, I don't care if you have nothing to say denims. I denims wish for my audience to see it with me and enjoy it Three hour video essay plus podcast Plus video joking about a plus tweets and now this video. I know So you don't know because what j did was stream a parody And then talk about how in a video that j will make fucking what six months later because uh, he's busy with all kinds of projects It'll just summarize the points made in the stream And that's what was done But for some reason through chinese whispers it ends up being like, ah j made like 10 000 streams and 16 videos And 10 years later made 17 more videos with nazis. I don't know like it's crazy This messy weird house has made his son conclude. Hmm. Yes only a disabled could have caused this That is what that's basically what he said It's literally what it's not that confusing. All right. It's a it's a funny joke, but you're so it is a funny joke It's not funny. It's cringe. Okay Okay, sorry, I've been trying to be pretty good faith in this video But like this reading of my son saying like this person could be disabled is one of the biggest fucking jokes in the fucking world This is such a weird bad faith interpretation of his son's literally said are they disabled or something? Um, I don't know. How could it possibly be bad faith? Hasan's commentary on this is hey people who are In any way shape or form disabled tend to have less spoons to spend on making sure that their What has spoons as currency just just it's amazing to me that she's She's paraphrasing what he said and it's a completely different tone With incompletely different intentions. This is not what he said and to like just be like, oh, look at this fucking incel slob And then later finding out that this person is disabled makes you probably feel like a real asshole Which is probably why his son interesting to know that she thinks that being an incel and being disabled Not the same thing being an incel is not a disability I feel bad for anyone who's disabled that she's like this could be your house and that would be okay It's like excuse you what the fuck I stand up for the poor in town trod and i'm a good person The low expectation ship man Neither Hasan's perception or hers perception makes any sense because it's not that the house is messy It's that there's all this weird shit going on Like I wouldn't look at this house and think obviously a disabled person lives here Like I'd be like no what this was built very specifically and very strangely on was saying hey This person could be disabled and that's why their house looks this way not to say that all disabled people have Dirty houses, but it's not it's not too strange to consider that someone who is disabled would have a house That's a little messier because they literally don't have enough energy or physical ability to do as much So that's just a normal person At this point. Um, well, she's also talking about physical disability when Hasan was talking about mental disability, but something I've noticed in consuming Some like twitch stuff And watching debates that I had like often between destiny and other twitch streamers Is that a lot of streamers seem to like run defense for Hasan? Yeah, very all the time There's always running defense trying to defend him constantly. I find it very strange but almost Is it isn't just as simple as he is like the largest streamer in that space and you don't want to burn that bridge So you'll just defend him no matter what well, dude. Yeah I think it's it's that but also the fact that they're all it's like I said They're all in la and they're hoping to meet up with them because he doesn't la as well There's a lot to this but um one of the big ones I think because I saw the clips of it recently where he's apparently like basically never interacted with vorsch Up until vorsch's subreddit went after him for all of the ukraine takes And then he sent a message to vorsch personally, uh, Hasan saying get your community off my ass basically And it's like kind of amazing because that this is the thing he he kind of treats it that way It's almost like a fucking monarchy. He is the king You will do everything you can not to piss him off and maybe someday You'll give you a you know a slice of land or something Um, that's what they're all hoping for I think Yep, you know, he's got plenty of land to give That is that that's uh, that's feeble, isn't it? Oh, someone explain the spoons thing some of the people use spoons to denote how much mental will power people Oh Well powers one word people use spoons to denote how much mental will power people have it's a common way to talk about it I've never heard spoons. I thought she was talking about currency. I've never heard that either. I've never heard it I've never heard it. I was gonna say I'll be honest. I've not heard of that either. I uh, yeah I was the only one who thought it was very odd that she was referring to spoons without like cereal or soup or something Not macaroni, of course because you eat macaroni with a fork I thought she was making a joke about the room Yeah, like there were so many spoons lying around in this house. Yeah. Yeah I thought it might have been a colloquial like if she had said caps or something I'd be like oh it's a game reference and spoons might be just something that I'm unaware of but it means resources Yeah, like Dosh. Hmm. Maybe she means the card game spoons that you play in summer camp Well, well, sedge when you're when you're on the sunday show make sure to use spoons talk about free will from now on Cleaning as people who aren't neurodivergent can Oh, yeah, just to remind you guys. This is how he said it. Do you think with all the new I hate to describe something that she just said is nuanced, but it's more nuanced than what Hassan said. We can agree on that I don't have a chair planted in front of my laundry machine. I don't even fucking see who in his chat is saying like Oh, this is an incel Each of the road I feel like it's it's gotta be like, uh It's gotta be I don't get it. I don't I don't understand. I don't get it like someone who has a Right like it doesn't make any sense Millionaire streamer lives in a mansion That's it. How exactly do you draw from that that he's doing this to defend the person who owns the house? Yeah Like literally like what is this? What was this weird interpretation? It was the normal interpretation weird This is what normal people think when they hear those words delivered in that way about this topic This is so bad faith. What the fuck? And apparently chat says that Hassan was defending the homeowner because no he was not Say that or dumb too Running defense for it. All he said he said something pretty doft. That's it Yeah, it's the kind of thing that if a friend said it while you were there you'd be like, oh Don't you get what is implied by what you just said that you're like, oh, yeah. No, sorry. I just meant Wow, you're so bad. Wow bad faith Andy, huh bad faith jay trying too hard to get a dig on Hassan That's not very Andy's bad faith must be fucking legendary the fact that jay initially only went um, and then we all laughed because we had to sit exactly The mess and chat I think his last point was that you shouldn't make fun of someone's house looking like this because it could be caused by disabilities Amazing. He literally did the opposite and everyone's like, no, no, no He meant this other he meant not only something different as different as it could possibly be He meant actually the opposite of what he said and what everyone it's understanding him to say This is not what he said and it's not what he it's probably not what he meant Yeah, I guess we can never be 100 on that but how the fuck do you get this from what he said Video thinks he was making fun of disabilities. I feel like it's gotta be like, uh It's gotta be I don't know It's so unfortunate that he takes so fucking long to say this Well to be to be fair to be fair mauler disabled is a very big word Disability or something right like it doesn't make any sense Chat context is lost on an s. A youtuber. It's so weird the clinic. No chat constantly is lost in you You didn't even know what it was People in your chat are brain damaged. They they have messy houses. Yeah Documents to be made about laser react condom of this guy so far it seems to be salty that there's a react market because parasocial and casual content is popular Yes, that sums up jay's position entirely. Yes, that's funny. That's yeah, that's it. You nailed it The wonderful part of all of this is just blinding Is the jade already started streaming on twitch semi regularly at this point and was reacting to her and irrelevant on twitch like Being like jay's not a react stream as we wouldn't know it's like, um, all right if you say so Like i'm not even sure if he means mental or physical with the fuck you talking about What's the disability that makes you go? I need to install a toilet next to my fucking toilet What oh my god It's kind of starting to annoy me now because I know that jay would have sat down and like workshop these jokes and thought about him Yeah, and then and they've thought about the way to execute Yeah, the delivery and then what is it met with what would this feigned confusion because I don't really buy this actually There's just another point to make so she's gonna pretend she has wasted on these people You can't just let it be it's got to be something that you can make fun of or that's it's got it There's got to be something about it. That's stupid. It couldn't just be a joke that works You yeah, the ability to recognize humor that doesn't necessarily work for you Like smiling friends, right? It's just not my kind of humor. You know, I really like it. I appreciate it a great deal I enjoy watching it It's just not really my kind of humor But I can super appreciate it and be very glad it exists And recognize it for what it is. This is going after her son. She does not appreciate this exists Maybe think we'll be better though. We've had conversations about the deepest annals about of our minds, you know So hopefully now you can fully appreciate dj spits In a turmoil, you know, maybe the joke is starting to make more sense now that you can understand this struggle His struggle to get people out of his head Like the fact that he has these internal struggles It like elevates him into a position above these two chuckle fucks Right, who it's just it's just an empty echo inside of their head And they don't even have like two things bouncing around in there in there to meet in conflict Well, right because for dj spit to not know what to think he needs to be able to think Yeah, you have to be aware of what reality should be and then notice what's happening compare the two and see what doesn't When you when you do a magic trick for an animal Right in some smart animals realize. Oh, where'd the ball go? That doesn't make sense. What's going on? And they're confused because they're smart enough to know that something doesn't make sense here. Something isn't right Well, it's like, um, you know because have you seen the experiments they do when um, they get the little crows and they give them They give them a puzzle to solve and the crows they're like, hmm, that doesn't work. I should try something else That doesn't work. Oh, that does work. Let's continue down this path It's real interesting how like little crows can do these things, isn't it? They look great Yeah, a lot of birds Lift the blanket up and then run away. When was the blanket drops? They're gone and the birds are like the fuck where the hell did you go? Like dogs and cats will do that. They're like what are you what what this doesn't make sense Meanwhile, there's a lot of animals that would see that and just be like Crow would be a better stream and reactor than oh god. Yeah, that's 100% I would absolutely. Absolutely. I would I'm tempted to write a sitcom about a crow who decides that he wants to become a live streamer Oh, okay References you can make I actually really like that idea to be honest. Hey, if you make a vulture stuff, I've already written that. I was gonna say Oh god, he's gotta be a vulture. Yeah. No. No. No. No. No. So we this is the he the vulture is the antagonist A standard for the Hassan streamer. Yeah, it would be like it would be a vulture. Yeah It's a it's a world where yeah where the crow is trying to do things right, but holy shit It writes it's hold on. Sorry. Sorry It does write it. So I love this idea. Is it a homomorphic crow in vulture or is it just a literal? No, no, no This is this is this is a world where This is a world where the humans exist, but the crows are just sentient or something. I don't know It's gotta be a crow girl Like like a crow youtuber girl The crow I can figure out the name later. So the crow streamer Oh, of course because he's a pro streamer. Holy shit. It's riding itself. Even though I'm typing Oh, no, and I've got Mario Kart race as well happening. Don't worry. I'll uh multi task. You can do it I well, so I've been doing a lot of multitasking this room I've had my midi keyboard out and I've just been playing stuff while in between mario kart races in between Making observations about Look, all right. You know life is short. You got to try and squeeze as much out of it as possible um Fuck your lemons When when life gives you crows Right sitcoms about their struggles to become the top twitch streamers When when life gives you 4 and 20 blackbirds Is I I I I don't get it For That's right. It's obscure So anyway, if you watch how long it takes for it to Rraft up a response. I assume it's because it's the exact thing she was describing earlier She is unhappy, but she has no arguments. And so she has to come up with one Son, this is a more fully formed. See she's like, hmm. I'm angry But what do I say? um Does he think that the homeowner literally chose to build those two toilets next to each other Well, so I literally he's literally dead What are you talking about? Do houses just grow in a period? The big bang happened listen the wrap-up of the universe two toilets flew out of the big bang and just happened to end up next to each other in this bathroom All right, look all right. It's entropy. Everything is breaking down and two toilets manifest Now here's what happens, okay Denimus picks up the phone is I gotta get a new toilet in my in my bathroom She picks up the phone. She calls up a gardener. All right And the gardener shows up with the toilet seeds And then you plant the toilet seeds and a new toilet will grow and like And that's how Child it gave birth to a second toilet. It's like it's like the symptoms and flushing meadows That's when I get it on me under my son ever again I am left with the trash can too close to the toilet and they made it and they produced an offspring Is the proof not right there? She had no point and she desperately grasped and once she ended up with Do you really think they intentionally built the two toilets there? Yes How do you accidentally build a toilet? Oh, no, I've Strictly miraculously appeared To be good faith to be good faith. Maybe the question that she she might have meant to ask was Like who in their right mind would build two toilets? She didn't say that dev if she'd said that. Yeah, I know I'm being the best faith. That's so good faith. There's no landing at that point. You're not actually baby You're Adam. I'm a steel man. I'm a steel man She thinks like like this is like minecraft and houses are just procedurally generated in some wonky way And then someone just moved into it Yeah, the genuine good faith is the and this I think is still too far Is that it would have been cubicles when it was originally built? And what she should have said is do you really think they would have originally intended for them to just be cubicle-less? Toilets next to each other. No, unfortunately. She didn't say that cubicles. No I don't think the true steel man is look. Maybe she meant that we live in a procedurally generated level And this was a glitch in the system that just produced two toilets next to each other Yeah I think what the actual answer is See it all makes sense So the actual answer I think is that it's it's a house that was used for porn shoots because that's common Oh, like a scat footage Porn companies with they'll actually like build a house and use it for shooting various ponds and That happened. It used to happen. Not so much anymore. Well, so it was a huge Put like random bathrooms and toilets fucking everywhere all over the house It's really a difference. He's a clean Between a church and a house you shoot ponds and I mean it's kind of like same same thing stoles Yeah, you love jesus you love this random guy john coming to your part it's so it's really Consumed the flesh. It's kind of the same thing, right? It is The holy spirit jinks and well tom scars video was playing I also just really want to know what the fuck he meant but so far my video was played. Are you serious? Is he serious? No, you have to commit to serial or serious You can't know It takes two brain cells to recognize that he obviously was trying to say that like people who have People who are nerd Again, you remember how he talked about how the tone in which he says something can obviously get what you just said No, j is stupid. Like I don't know. I don't know like how you you escape from that If you have two brain cells implying he doesn't All right, so just again listen carefully to what people say Because you can learn something if you ignore the tone and then focus on what's been said Or physically disabled in any shape or form shape way or form way shape or form Um, that was tough for it We'll find it harder to keep their house maintained and clean Do you don't even need to try shut the fuck up? He didn't say this that hard. Yeah Old j said is I don't know what to make it up and has on didn't even get the chance to edit his points like it's just Oh, no Chance to change his point. It's like and you know what he could have done is he could have clarified Right after it's like if I said two plus two is five But then so goes he clearly didn't mean that because it's not it's live His mathematical skills I like that that you're being unfair. The good faith interpretation is that to put he said two plus two equals four That's exactly that's the good faith. Yeah The irony that she's casting aspersions on j saying he hasn't he only needs two brain cells To understand what hassan's saying when she just made up that interpretation of what hassan was saying That wasn't even what hassan was exactly she doesn't even fucking like appreciated the The person in chat has just made this shit up, but she just believes it wholesale. She's like, yep, that's the truth The biggest flex you can do is when you have not one but two fucking Side-by-side bathrooms, you know what I mean? No, not really. So the house She goes again It's such a good joke And so now he's getting mad at hassan for making commentary. I'm so confused Jay is mad that hassan is commentating That's that's a takeaway Okay, no jay's just making fun of hassan. That's all right I know it's a lot to take in denims, but we're getting there So hassan reacted and he was like you got the reaction wrong. That's not what I said. What the fuck is happening Are you stupid? Holy god, dammit one So the answer is yes You know react harder and make fun of your bad reaction. Those are these are not these are not contradictory positions It's so weird to me that I could just blur it out random words from the dictionary and she'd be like Well, you are reacting. So that's fair and I'd be like really you you think that's great compared to anyone offering any kind of Like analysis we just go bleh bleh bleh bleh bleh bleh It's just like as long as I'm making noises hassan's commentary is Oh, wow, what a flex. There's two bathrooms next to each other when he's referring to toilets Like maybe he's trying to do this the flex of one's sphincter as you oh Oh Faith interpretation. I feel like most would just come between them at that point if you stretch No, no you fill up one toilet so much you have to run to the other toilet Oh, yeah, it's a this is a diarrhea proof Bathroom there's no way you can shit too much for two toilets. No fucking way. Yeah, you're right. This is safety Poop and one flush and you move While that one's flushing It's what are we doing guys? I don't know It could be the dreaded when you have to throw up and poop at the same time combo Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like it. I like it because I've often had to use Wasn't that that was a gag in South Park right when Kenny's dad had to shit and vomit at the same time And he was just alternating between the two and then there was You see Fringy the this is where the advantage of having a Hey a bath or a shower next to the toilet comes in handy, right? I mean, I guess depends on how close that It depends on while you're right Well, there is projectile vomiting also I mean, hey, look, all right. I look if you want to take that chance, that's your call But I'd rather do it guys to vomit into a hoover and while it's on so it all goes in the nice bag And then you got it nice and void. Oh, that's disgusting Let's mean like open up the bag or just vomit on the floor and That's gonna haunt you nightmare You can even donate the bag to the local homeless I can now see Oh my god Sitch cowering in his little bed He's just got the quills on and then he looks at the door freaks open And it's a vacuum cleaner filled with vomit You vomit or shit in like someone else's vacuum bag and you don't tell them and they're vacuuming What the fuck who took a shit? Jesus christ. Was that me? It's it's not a place Yeah, this was designed for dust and small things on the floor. This was supposed to make things better Who has been shitting in the rug how deep down was this? Bring it up to the surface No, my goodness Oh, it is an outside cat now He's just forgotten the word toilet in his saying bathroom instead of toilet and to be honest. No, I really don't know what he means by this I'm not sure if it's supposed to be a joker He's mad because he missed both So damms when someone tells a joke you don't understand you're allowed to say I don't understand the joke without being mad Yeah You're trying to be mad on behalf of simping for his son But also calling calling j mad when j's not mad. That's what I'm saying Joke, it's funny Jay doesn't understand Hassan's joke. Therefore j must be mad. That's a good joke. Like, no, j's not mad He's just saying it's a shitty joke. Is that what is that what you do when you're confused. You just get mad Oh my gosh, it's just like the zombie in resident evil that they tried to um, domesticate Once it couldn't figure out how to put the block into the toy. It instantly got mad and started eating people It's like denims Denims is that zombie from resident evil who can't figure out children's toys. Yes So this is weird She has trouble understanding continuity of any kind This is why you move away from your microphone whenever you scream Just speak loudly. Yes I've made that mistake before I can admit that but you just try and move away from the mic I have I've learned so much about microphones in the last couple of years I mean that is really amusing all things considered with all of these issues I've been dealing with all morning with this microphone, but nevertheless I know a lot about microphones This is a weird. This is a weird video. Okay. This is really weird I think he technically has added something small here. I'm just not really sure what it was He then lets the video That's a good. Oh the delivery. It's perfect. Nice one. Jay. You know what you're doing Jesus Isn't it painful It just stabs you right in the brain I Don't believe this response. I don't know what to say On these sections Calzone calzone Oh my well actually I'll actually All jay said was I don't get the fucking joke and she went nuts. I got her just sad Well, yeah, he's making the joke that like having two toilets is like you're flexing. You're like, yo, I'm so rich I don't even got I don't even I got two toilets one for peeing Why would you all feel so compelled to just run defense for such a stupid observation? It's not about having multiple toilets It's that they're right next to each other right next to each other Well, and if Hassan had made that actual joke said like, oh, you know, he has one for peeing and pooping at least you're like Oh, okay. There's something there. Yeah, it's because there is a joke there There's layers instead of just a weird dumb observation that doesn't make sense But everybody seems to feel so compelled to defend Why can't you just admit that he said something stupid? Why do you have to like feel like No, you see what he means when he says that it reflects is that it's actually really cool and chat to have like two toilets instead of just one Yeah, one has one said that Russia would never invade Ukraine. What he really meant was Russia would invade Ukraine tomorrow Do this is how his twist chat like His viewers take his content. They all just invent things that he's not saying that they want to hear I guess I can understand why you would really enjoy watching Hassan's chat Channel if it's just you and you're just inferring every single thing like that you're you're gonna frame it That is in your perspective. It's never about what he said. It's about what you think he's saying in the subtext Hassan is like Hassan is a genius. He's like the art house film of streamers. He says things are so vague Or of twitch. Yeah, he says things that are so vague that his audience can just Project whatever thing they want. He's like the uh, he's like the um the protagonist of every young adult like story ever Right, you can just project anything on to him Hassan are you saying Hassan is the bella of twilight? I was gonna say that but I figured I'd go more broad. Um Well, she's pretty broad My mind was I think Hassan is the streamer equivalent of one of those uh, those paint by numbers Things where there's a vague outline of a person But there's like a guideline for how you can insert yourself into it. So it's like your art now I I just now understood why where paint by numbers comes from. Thank you. That's wow. Are you serious? Oh my god I've never really I've never really put much thought into that. That's where it comes from I mean, I used to paint by numbers. I used to do them when I was super young So I've always known but well, so so the the paint by numbers as a saying is like it's it's it's um I guess unoriginal and that it comes from it's it's preset following the line. Yeah You didn't make anything really you just did what you were told to do This is why you come to watch efap every you learn something new every day. Yay All right, bring you didn't have a child I definitely did the little drawings with the numbers and the followed I just never put it together that that's where paint by numbers came from those gears have been turned in for 20 years Gonna pee and poop in the same toilet nah Yep, she's invented a joke that he didn't make. Yeah, you have to You reacted wrong You're reacting but not hard. You just said the joke wasn't very good. Calm down. You'll be first Also, you you know what you can react wrong if like Like you you can if some if somebody says, you know what the sun? That's a star and then you flip the table and like punch a hole in your window and start screaming and Yeah, it'd just be like what the what like what? Well, yeah, and then if you ran up to the fucking screen and said let me guess you think the sun is an alien You're like, what? What? I was like, oh, wow. Look at you getting mad that he reacted wrong. It's like, I don't Yeah, yes He reacted wrong Yeah, hard enough and incorrectly What is going on in this video? What is this? Did you better make funny commentary? I'm gonna write a two hour video I say about how I would have given better commentary. No Yeah, I was gonna say eight hour live stream about how stupid you are. Don't worry. We got you killed We're not By the way, just want to let everyone know this only gets worse. There is I'm not talking about person three being worse than person two and one which is true I'm talking about person two here gets so much worse. It's oh, it'll be fun. I don't believe you You'll end up saying you were wrong Is it in this video or is it in the next one because I got to go in half an hour It's uh I can guarantee it's in the next video. I'm not sure if it's in this one. I guess we'll find out Rachel No, I'm gonna get a video written about me now and this could be like Demis just reads her chat and steals all the comments just like a stupid dumb e-girl I was like, maybe I haven't said any of those things. Yeah, I will chat. Yes that right now they've been mentions of Likely heard that they do read their chats in order to get comments to say but we mainly just commented that she's an idiot It's it's less Like saying she's a stupid dumb e-girl. It's like, I mean I mean Your words Maybe I'm a asshole, you know what I mean? Maybe I should be nicer, you know, but I was like People don't even like honestly like it feels like in like Stop saying that word without comparing up expressing that you have a fondness for something like god damn Like what what is it like? Nobody even cares when you're generous. So like why should I bother? I guess I love that quote, it's one of my favorites There you have it everybody What is the point in doing good things if no one cares that you did them? I know she's an anti spider-man It's entirely performative 100 percent. She does things that she will get seen by others. That's it Just uh, some people didn't hear it. Let's let's do it even like honestly like it feels like in like Certain spaces online. Nobody even cares when you're generous. So like why should I bother? That's because you hang out with people who are tricks I guess I don't know what to say like I guess I'm not even hanging out just her sphere of internet politics Nominated by these one of one of the greatest heroes in fiction mumen rider as he would say it's not about winning or It's not about winning or losing All right, it's about Right here and oh is there? Yeah, sorry. I was gonna let you finish before we Because we can understand you but it's I'm not sure that's the point we're supposed to take from mumen rider. Anyway What it will Mumen rider because mumen rider like on one hand you appreciate that he's heroic because he won't you know He'll sacrifice himself. He won't give up by the other hand. He already has given up in his mind He's like the exact opposite of psychama who never gave up. Let's go No So mumen rider is like is probably like Oh my god, the lights they're infectious Mumen rider is a very altruistic noble character because even though he knows he's not going to win He's still going to try and do the right thing which takes an incredible amount of bravery I want to classify him as having given up already by accepting that he's going to lose I think it's just a matter of I'm very likely not going to win. I'm still going to fucking try to stop you But I'm still going to try. Yeah, that's why it's why mumen rider is such It's it's like people say he's a class c hero But he's got like a class s hot because he's such a great guy No, but see I disagree because on one hand you're right that what he's doing we perceive as is as honorable And I think it is he's willing to sacrifice himself But on the other hand the theme the overarching theme in one punch man, especially between sitama and garo is That if that your intention sort of creates your own reality That's why sitama was able to break his limiter was that he never He never gave up. He never limited himself and mumen rider always like captain marvel always thinks he's going to lose I think the thing is is I don't even know what it means for him to think that but still Charge at a massive like eldritch creature and do it anyway, even though he knows that he's going to get his ass kicked It's an appreciation of the reality of a situation but a willingness to try and do the right thing anyway, which I I think that's awesome I I really like mumen rider Yeah, okay I would say I find it really compelling to have the awareness that you will lose But you do it because it's the right thing to do Yeah, and and in the situation that we're talking about against the deep It was the deep sea king, right? Yeah If it weren't for mumen if it weren't for mumen rider doing that Saitama wouldn't have gotten there in time to stop him from uh attacking all of the people and killing Genos and and everything so like right it doesn't that mumen rider still achieve something incredible Just because he had a willingness to to stand up to uh to the deep sea king and fight Great. Yeah, I'm not saying he's he is heroic I'm just saying there is this element specifically in one punch man thematically about limiting yourself I yeah, no, I mean I I totally get what you mean by that Um, I guess it's more so just that mumen rider acknowledges the reality of a circumstances But still tries to do the right thing anyway, whereas I guess Saitama is in a different situation The circumstances of kind of don't even matter anymore because he's so incredibly powerful And so now he's got new challenges to deal with well It's it's more about how Saitama gets to be Saitama Oh, well, yeah, because Saitama was willing to do his entire training regimen 100 And then a 10 kilometer run it's not even like that's a pretty good routine honestly That's uh If you can do that God and that show is awesome. One punch man is such a great show. I love it Season one, all right. No, me for you. I haven't seen season two I don't think I've ever going to it's a we should read the comic it was I I read the first volume of the manga I read the first volume of the manga and it was really the animation in in uh in the first season. Holy crap The drawing in the manga is like unreal Yeah, the art and it's so it's so crazy because it originates from this funny-looking web comic Yeah, I know great idea. It's such a great idea for a story You you've never you've never read the web comic I no, I think I've only seen portions of web comic. I've never read it Okay, it's like the the fight that's being animated right now in the manga Is between Saitama and Garo and it's all like I guess I won't spoil it But the theme of the fight is is all about this and it's all about How you limit yourself and how that dictates your power level in the one punch man universe I mean, I totally agree with the sentiment that the attitude that you have to life is pretty important in terms of dictating what you will It's not even necessarily that what you believe changes reality, but rather it changes the kind of actions that you're going to take uh It almost sounds as though the idea of Thinking yourself limited is a bad thing is like I wouldn't entirely agree with that at all like no I mean, this is the message of a fictional story. Obviously, you know Yeah, but aren't they supposed to translate? Well, that's the some extent because you shouldn't I think the message is not is to To follow, you know fully with your dream not to compromise essentially Yeah, I I don't know. I think that needs a bit more and I would actually Woman writer is the more complete message. I would argue at least the one that I find because women writers is The circumstances are irrelevant due to the right thing. Just do it. Um Regardless of how hard it is or because that's that's a that's a universal thing whereas don't ever limit yourself It's like, well, you know what if you're sitting at the edge of a cliff and you're like, you know what? I believe I can fly. Yeah, if you want a nike, yeah, nike. Just do it Maybe isn't the best message to you know look down and say sure Well, actually just do it asterisk And then you can open it up as a whole paragraph Of what it means to be a hero is that you are willing to Sacrifice yourself even if you know you you're gonna lose is repeated several times beyond even woman writer later in the comic So it's definitely a big theme of it Well, yeah, um You remind me. I thought that when he fights the crab guy um Saitama It's not like you No, no the first crab. Yeah the first crab because like the way he kills him You could argue was pretty like it could have gone any other way, right? But I guess would you say that that supports the idea that he just believed in himself he believed that there's no limit there Well, he had reached a point where he didn't he didn't Care anymore Like he just said, you know, I'm gonna, you know, get the fuck out of my way. Fuck you basically Yeah, like he's gonna because he gets beat up at first and he's just determined to save that kid Someone in chat asked what about angel. It's like we'll have work We don't talk about any specific examples right now But um, yeah, keep that whole slate clean as a whistle Yes, what about angel? Indeed, what about we can't talk about it. What about denims? That's what I'm asking Poor dev has to listen to people talk about anime with his remaining minutes Oh, well, see here's the thing. I like anime. I just haven't really watched much one punch, man You fool you should I will get into it eventually. Yes. I keep hearing good things about it I haven't watched a lot of anime, but I have watched one punch, man You know what I mean His house used to be a church and here his contribution to my video is to ask Hey, is that true? He then adds his fourth comment Which is about the fact that the house is full of loads of boxes Okay, first off when you ask chat something you ask them something for a specific reason, okay It's because nobody wants to watch a fucking streamer go to google and be like This would be where I would interrupt her in a discord call and be like no, you misunderstand jay is saying Of the things that asana's added, right? a comment that seemed ableist a Comment that was a joke. I think I couldn't tell a comment that was confirming what the building even is And then he's about to get to the fourth one, which is there's lots of boxes Jay's just trying to summarize. This is the commentary you got in total. It's pathetic Meanwhile, she's like when you ask a question to chat it's to avoid googling and being boring And you know what address that's almost Dress what's being said, but also that feels like a challenge to just have a wikipedia stream where you just click through Links in wikipedia and then just explore all of those concepts. I don't think that would be boring I think that would be incredibly do you know what I'm saying though like a hit counter is Hassan doesn't want to bore chat So he's gonna ask chat a question and get the answer from chat It's like jay doesn't have any confusion on that. Don't worry. He's fine. And jay's got it He'll be fine Okay, what house is this? Okay, zillow Nobody wants to watch a streamer spend fucking five ten minutes trying to check the source and the voli- you're fine in a ghost Nobody said the other thing Pretty of something when they can just ask chat which he has like a chat of 34 000 people that someone can like link him and be like Yeah, look, here's a source Do you know what I mean? So like What the it's like this it's like this person she has no idea what jay's point was This is what I mean. It's so cringe to watch. It's like you pay attention Who's making this video doesn't understand the basis of Like how youtube content or twitch content works jay doesn't understand how twitch content works That's what she derived from jay being like Hassan has added nothing to this video except asking if it were a church And then getting the confirmation Fucking program I ended up not even spending two minutes talking as he let my 14 minute video play in full He's very clearly leaning on my video to entertain his audience for him in this situation This is really just like a cope video That's for your takeaway brilliant. Thank you so much That's what you're you heard the same sound waves that we did and that's what your brain how your brain processed that Excuse me regs regs remember that time that uh That I uploaded your video to my channel You I think you were coping about that, weren't you? I was just cope I was coping and seething about that and I had no reason to why didn't I just accept the thing That was my life situation. I should have just accepted it All that free publicity. I'm so ungrateful We got the classic by the way Jay's point most of my video was just used and then her reaction He's eating He's eating he's eating. Yeah, it's so So here's that we can go two ways with this as far as I could think right That means that she said eating is a reaction Which is falls in line with her stupidity that she could think that or He can't possibly react. Can't you see that he's eating? Which is in which case the obvious question follows up that she should have addressed which is why the Is he using someone's video then? Yep What's really funny here is like if this person was a twitch streamer if this person Jay literally is was a twitch react streamer. They literally done that They would be so much more generous to this position because they would know that like chat gets so mad When you like leave stream to go speaking of coping Oh, man, this is so funny because jay has done more reacting to videos probably than denims has Absolutely Jay does it for starters. Yeah a quick history lesson jay has been reacting as part of Like his youtube content since he started Or at least because I think the earliest stuff he made like lego videos or something when he was super young and the minecraft but uh, if we're talking about The cinemas in sin stuff All of that is watching someone's video reacting to it and then making an edited video That is very entertaining and punchy that sort of thing and then you've got all of the hours jay has been on efab Like obviously not all of them are necessarily reacting to videos, but a lot of them are and then All the stuff that jay's reacted to on youtube streams and videos on twitch and stuff It's just it's just funny to me that denims has no fucking clue who she's talking about But we'll make broad sweeping statements to dismiss any and all points that jay could ever bring up Because it's easier to dismiss them then engage with them I just want to be in like a call with her and say you wouldn't understand any of the stand-ups because you're not a youtuber And then she goes well, I've made youtube videos. I put them and I go no no no no no no not long form ones And she's just like what I've got like an hour long one like hour I'm talking about five hour long edited, but you have no idea what you're talking about if you haven't made one That before just this gate keeping bullshit And she wouldn't be able to escape because I should be like I just be like keep pushing me I know I've made a longer video than you and I'll just push it to the longest one until I cap you out Or like you leave what what is your longest video then? Well Longest individual video that was fully edited. Is that the question? I guess Yes, but that I think is I want to say four and a half hours I think But jay's actually outclassed me on that one. However The ones that you know, like I wrote the tfa one to be one big long video and it's getting split up So when that finishes it'll probably be around 20 hours A little bit. That's crazy, man More than five hours. It is That's like check it's so mad at you and you like lose all of your viewership like you're like Fucking shooting yourself in the foot like if you fuck on a steel you've got a steel Yeah, you just got a steel you're you're denying yourself Goods and things and monies if you don't steal whenever you can get away with it Exactly. You'll steal steal steal steal. Why handicap yourself? Fuck it doggy dog offer too long And anyone why steal men when you can just steal? No, I don't get who is a streamer knows this He's clearly a chatter. I as soon as I see obviously clearly they're relying on implications rather than evidence. Yeah Actually the whole reason the video is long is jay provides all of the references you need So what he says obviously this is happening. It's because you saw it happened Because you watched the video don't take my word for it. Exactly chat wants the streamer to lean on content sometimes Yeah, chat wants you to lean on content sometimes Chat wants you to steal so you have to it peer pressure guys. What is this? I don't want those people in my chat. I don't want them. I want them to go away Leave me if we had a significant portion of posts and comments and upvoted things saying Free rags more. I'd appreciate it. Sometimes you guys could can you just mute for a half hour maybe play some I don't know videos from donkey or something. Just be like What first off you have terrible taste second off. No, that's not what we do I I would just be like we've we've failed Because apparently yeah, how would you get here in the first place? Why did you what? What brought you here? I'm so confused Yeah, but she takes that as like a oh, okay. I'll do that. I'll steal stuff. Thank you chat for the suggestion slash I don't know even demand So many times where I'm streaming content chats like just play the fucking video You know because they hate you You do not let your audience control you like that. You are so weak-willed You are a leaf in the wind Whenever chat tell us to play the video Pause time goes up by a whole night of the minute and every single time Another minute should be going. Oh, I'm so sorry chat. I didn't mean to. Oh, please. Don't we? She's taking any and all excuses to hit play because she can't be honest Just like oh, no, look chat told me to I got it. Sorry. Oh, I can't it's I can't do that I need my subs and my monies I mean He's he's just milking the exposure. Yeah. Oh, yeah totally. Yeah This person is literally they're They're gonna make a video by me. They're gonna be like and then they pause in the middle of my video And then they went on like a tangent about saying poggers and I should win. I don't care about authors First off with the hard R. Wow, but I don't really care. Um, it's kind of The least of your issues is the use of the term poggers. I promise you young lady We will not hold that against you denims. However, we will hold several things against you Honestly, I give them an f for react content I feel like I feel like he's grading his son's react. She gets like a d because she's at least able to take some information in and sort of Do something with it in your head something like I feel like f would probably be when you leave Like she's not even reacting at all like she's not even here. Yeah, like she isn't a react you failed it It's like it doesn't like a zero out of ten. It's not even the thing at that point almost You've just failed at being a react Streamer if you're not even there Actually, he's like Hasan three acts get a d-minus I just don't know if Hasan rebooting my work even impacted me negatively and if it did I don't know how severely I just don't have access to that kind of information How would it impact How would it impact you negatively the views that could have gone to the video Instead of him very simple denims very it's like There is a second aspect to it as well. You might actually get Hasan fans watching you that could be negative Yeah, yeah, you might get a Hasan fan. You know, that's bad. They'll tear you away from the inside Put the cat on the mic shut up I was like I am so sorry for my owner. She's very special. She's retarded. I am so sorry. Yes Huh If you're on seriously, was I watching someone said yes, you do you can check your metrics So that doesn't tell you what hypothetically could have happened And you can't always correlate anything that happens with your metric So right there's a tab for um multi-verse and it'll show you how jay is doing Oh, nice. That's how that's how it's a really cool feature. Yeah, don't compare yourself Don't don't compare yourself to other people compare yourself to you in other dimensions. Exactly, of course twit See, here's my point. Here's my point about like how like I think youtube reacts to youtube content Is probably it can be negative, but like if you're already on twit, you're not even on youtube You know what I mean what so you so I'll help you because she is Scrambling this point what she means is twitch viewers and YouTube viewers are separate communities and separate viewer. They're like people who don't have much crossover That's the point. She's going to try and make. I think that's some horseshit That's some absolute horseshit and the funny thing is she will tell you soon enough that she is an avid YouTube watcher while also being on twitch all the time You'll find a chat you want to do a Um, I don't know a fucking smiley face if you go on twitch and youtube if you watch videos on twitch and youtube Curious for any of you out there. I am someone who frequents twitch and youtube. I know rags You've mainly just you gun for for youtube. I think uh dev. You're both, right? Both yep A lot a lot of people visit both the idea I will say I've heard it's it's illegal if you're a youtuber to type into your browser twitch.tv That is true denim's point is that there's just there's not really any crossover So any views that has sound got never would have gone to jay anyway I mean that's To make is a bold claim We're never gonna watch that video Like the people who are watching has and jay's point was I really don't know I just don't know how to definitively get that information And she was like fucking shocked and appalled at that point and then goes on to say like there's no crossover between twitch and youtube Don watch videos were would have never found those all this cope from denim and from everyone Because hassan couldn't fucking give jay credit for the video. Like this is insane. It is insane A copacopia of cope a cornucopia of cope No copacopia A copa cabana of cope This videos find weapons grade copium weapons grade Industrial strength weapon of mass cope Like there are occasions where there are videos, but I feel like it's those are videos that are like already really popular Hi info thumb wars It does he think that like Does he think that like those 40 000 people that are watching his son could have been an additional 40 000 viewers for his video Because that's on how that works at all. Does it need to be one to one for that to matter? They literally said I do not know Why is that so contentious to denims? Cheek because as a twitch streamer she could never say I don't know He has to know all the things in the description. Wow Wow Wow, oh, yeah, they're pointing out that jay doesn't link to his son's stream Why would why would he at this point like fuck you? There's no reason to um jay's talking about his son as an example of a streamer who does this Unethical thing. Why the fuck does he have to link to his son? Oh doesn't even link to his son. What jay has linked to as people who have contributed to the video Also Hasan not giving jay credit. That's fine Jay not linking him and that is fucking hell such a weird opinion to have I'm so confused What a weird opinion to have you don't know how much this has affected you one way or the other What a weird opinion. I think this is genuinely just like a drama farm drama A drama llama I'm not asking you to get angry on tom scars behalf I'm not asking you to get angry on my behalf either. I'm doing fine I am incredibly lucky to be able to work youtube as my job I just don't know if Hasan rebooting my work even impacted me negatively and if it did I don't know how severely I just don't have access to the I feel nothing but bad for jay for putting in all this effort to be a civil calm and chill as possible and it means nothing stepped on it That kind of information stepped on it twisted their foot and threw it in the garbage These were all the caveats that were put in there that really In in a in an ideal farewell, you wouldn't need to put in all these caveats No, they were put in anyway Just in case and yet Yeah, because jay is projecting his goodness and purity onto other people and it is not You know, I can totally picture jay being like ah there it is and I've you know, it's a tight I've accounted for it. Yes, and then all these people were like You see Jay's like that kid Jay's like that kid in the 1870s who's like, oh my father's white. My dad's black. So that means everyone will love me, right? Everybody kills you But what I do know is that if by doing this his hand had taken literally every Future potential viewer from that video and as a result it was literally never watched again ever I would still be doing absolutely fine I'm not trying to tell you some kind of sub story here about just how hard my life is I think this is genuinely just like a drama form It's in a shock. It's incredible All that work jay put in for no fucking reason at all It's just completely ignored. All right. All right. It's time for me to go. Uh, I'll say my father's white and my dad's black God damn it Oh my god So I do appreciate I'm sorry we didn't get through the whole thing, but I'll make sure to watch back the rest of it later. Oh, yeah, you got to stay up You got to stay up to date on the lore for next week Is the third is the third part coming next week? Yes Whether it's her or Hassan I'm in if you want me then too. You're welcome to come back same facet. Um, also this, uh This stream has made me misogynist. Good night. Oh, no Oh, no, there he goes. We can't defend women while he's here. Uh, he left so I guess there's no point in even trying All right, let's uh, yeah now that he's calm we can finally get through these videos a little faster Finally, yeah jabber jaw over here is gone Making twist of character Hassan offer to financially compensate me for the video of To be fair financially compensate those like two pretty big words back to back So that's what she's having she's confused. Yeah, you well You know what? I'm just gonna have a rolling back just a little bit. Why don't you let you guys Play it until I hit pause. All right. Just enjoy this. Okay, thank me for the video of my Wow, wow. Wow. Oh my copium. Oh my lord, dude No shot, dude. There it is. No shot, dude No shot Hassan. Honestly Hassan should compensate me Hassan If in a shocking twist of character Hassan offered to financially compensate me for the video of mine He free booted. I wouldn't take his money. What is happening? Yo Um, oh, I can't wait to see what happens when she presses play again to be fair This is the best thing she does. I am proud of her for what she does here Hassan owes me money, dude. I know he owes me money I know he owes me this is embarrassing. Okay guys. Let's raise up like a couple hundred dollars to give to jay in in response to You know me stealing the content because now 400 people are not going to give him views Mine he free booted. I wouldn't take his money. However. Oh, he said it wouldn't do I'm sorry Okay, okay, okay I apologize. This is streamer brain. This is streamer brain. There we go. Okay I think she did all right there. She could have been a complete piece of shit. I'm Good for you danim's you got a point Everyone will leave and they won't come back and watch the stream I'm sorry. I'm sorry jay. I'm sorry for For meming about your sentence. I apologize. I'm sorry. Okay. Wow. Does that I'm sorry. Please don't clip me I guess actually you're allowed to clip me as much as want Honestly, if you want to make a bunch of videos and call me a con or whatever and early care We haven't done that yet It would be rude to deny her the thing she wants us to do to be rags to be honest with you Yeah, I was gonna say rags. You're going to find an opportunity to describe her that way a little later. Don't worry about it You can kind of go crazy. All exposure is good exposure or something. So oh, no, don't say the thing Then take your top off Like a hate video about me or whatever whenever you feel like it You can be like look a stupid streamer blow with dumb cunt fucking woman stupid bitch. Go for it. Go crazy I won't spend six months working all day every day on one single youtube video And if a son had rebooted that I would be very pissed off I would be as opposed to what what do you wait wait wait if if that would make you very pissed off What is this mildly pissed off? Yeah, um not even I mean not even yeah jay is pretty chill. It's all by degrees like annoyed. Yeah He believes this is jay at like maximum and I'm maximum Yeah Okay, this might be this might be as angry as jay can actually get I don't know He's uh, he's a he's a level-headed It's But of a gun son. I don't even know what I'm doing And I would be more pissed off if when a reactor free boosted my content They hadn't even taken the tiniest piece of minimal effort to just acknowledge the original creator in any way Completely taking the work that they just used to entertain their audience for granted With no thought given to the fact that it was made by another person who has a hair past a freckle Yes, so this is what she was mimicking looking at the time because she's bored Yeah, yeah, what time it's it's a hair past a freckle, but I think no, I don't know No, that's No And I just have I I don't know. Yeah, maybe I don't know. It's it's a thing. It's fine. It's fine Yes, dehumanizing content creators videos What I'm actually going to roll it back because I I made this video and I don't know how she came to What the hell is happening? Why did she just say that? The original creator in any way completely taking the work that they just used to entertain their audience for granted With no thought given to the fact that it was made by another person. Yeah, so this is what yes Dehumanizing content creators The reality is content creators are not people and they should be treated like garbage. Sorry. This is a meme, right? She's taken what Jay said and cranked it up to the top notch like Jay is Hello, another person was involved in this and then she's like, yes, that's what we're doing We're dehumanizing content creators. Aren't we that's what we do Like she's annoyed that Jay is Moving in that direction, but Jay's right. So what's your counter? Yeah You are certainly devaluing the work that they do by doing this Well, so to take advantage of their labor at no cost yourself and all the benefits yourself is kind of treating them like a You know free labor for you, right? With with how they throw around the word dehumanizing it absolutely fits their super broad almost worthless definition I think so and I I'm not seeing a counter just memes. Oh, you know Okay, this person on the screen. Yeah as an empath when Hassan is hungry. I'm hungry. Yeah Twitch chatter empaths enemies. Uh, we care. That's true Yeah, and that's actually true. Okay Hassan's chair watching an entire small creators video could make their channel successful. What are they talking about? Yeah, I don't know and yet Hey, he would he would could Yeah, it's not. Yeah, it doesn't violate any intrinsic law of reality. You know, I suppose it could happen But it doesn't seem to Hmm. We don't we don't acknowledge those times. We try to we don't talk about those times We are Video title Out of it. So no one even knows who made the video Jay, no, how does Jay know Hassan didn't tell chat what the video was? Well, I'm assuming Jay watched the whole video Genuinely impressed that she did that So the chat is like, how could Jay have known that Hassan didn't definitely share the video? And instead of doing what I would have expected Denim's to do could be like, yeah It shows how low our bar for her is she in food from watching this that Jay likely watched the whole stream that Hassan did And it's like, whoa Nice Oh, I mean, I guess it makes sense her chat would have to be dumber than her to watch her content. So Some of them. I don't know. Maybe they're all she almost banned remember that one. Yeah, Wade He was obviously new He hadn't typed any messages before then he was like, wait, what? Yeah He stumbled upon and just landed here. I hope Wade made it out of there God speeder and that or the whole vaude and that it didn't happen What just say that just make it like a two you could just make a two minute video and say tbh Hassan I was just upset that you didn't really give me credit tbh Don't say that's a valid just that's a valid Jay's point goes well beyond Hassan, but never mind Well, it's a broader topic. Why do people get so stuck in like these interpersonal things when it's really not about that at all It's about spinning it out into a broader conversation. Yeah, this is a thing that people do This is a thing that happens. We just had jinx on the screen Used as an example It's pretty clear the track here Hassan did something that jade Took issue with and it becomes a broader topic, which is people who do this in general But it's always so fixated on these weird interpersonal things I feel like that says more about the person who says that rather than the true nature of the response Discussion I would be upset if someone watched my content or someone re-uploaded my content essentially and didn't give me any credit at all You know what I mean? That I think is valid. I think that's valid You're just going to ask for mods to like post links or whatever and I know people are saying he did or whatever and like What I'm saying is like I think that that's the only valid point so far that he's made only valid Point is that you should only valid point Only the only one is you should credit the person. There's nothing else that's been said as valid Man, I just realized why jinx his name is jinx Because you guys jinx because he's just copying everyone else's content. How do I never realize that? Oh, do you mean Well, yeah, how when two people say the same thing you say, yeah, he says jinx That's why that's why his name is so jinx Imagine it was performance odd all along and we just didn't appreciate it But he's waited how long it would take to get taken down Made in this entire video. Okay Let me steal his son's content. I steal his son's content all the time. I'm not even gonna lie Whenever I go to the bathroom, I put on a video from his son because I know his son's not gonna get mad about it Okay, all right, you seem so proud of yourself It seems like it's on cell phone. We could move right along. You're flexed, but all right Hasan literally doesn't care like I'm pretty sure he literally doesn't give a single shit. Interesting. You say that denims Interesting. You say that the last clip we will see in this arc next week You just have to remember denim said this Okay, a socialist can buy whatever they want so long as it's the fruits of their own labor So long as wealth wasn't achieved by exploiting other people's labor Hang on a second Now we all understand the point j made I'm gonna assume all of fucking chat understood the point j just made Let's see if she does What? This is painful This hurts. I need to message like a video sas that I know would be like This video sas is making you guys look bad Hey, this video sas does not They're not sending their best Are they saying Hasan reacting to videos as exploitation? I don't know Wait, is that what they're saying? There you go. You really didn't know what j point was Isn't that incredible? A lot of people in chat would just what surely they knew but they were just faking it, right? Or like they knew that they had the right answer But because she didn't know they doubted themselves. Well, some of them might literally not have seen what was on screens. They're listening Like isn't this your Don't you talk about these issues like it's your job. How do you not see the parallel there? It's incredible Uh, the she's talked about these issues as for you just said like with several people several debate formats She didn't understand what j was saying. How? How how is that even possible? It's your job to soak up information Like to just let you're a processor of things Things go into your ears and then your brain bounces them around and jingle jangle jongles them And then out your mouth comes thoughts and insight and your perspective. That's what you do for a living Do that What? Oh, no, I just realized no You want to know how you want to know how you know, this isn't true Because i'm watching the same content and I don't have 40 000 viewers. Okay There you have it everyone If you don't get the same buddy everyone else does when exploiting that one worker What a fucking idiot Incredible logic you're gonna go so far Okay, it's because the the streamer makes the content Even when the examples are given of you not being on the fucking chair the streamer is still making the content Okay, I'm gonna actually did a call. Yeah, I mean what's it being um wow good job He did that this was becoming dangerously close to an interaction that would have benefited both of us instead of just him Even jinx knew to shout out the video. He was reacting to this is a crazy amount of just taking other people's work for granted No, i'm gonna be honest. I do that too. So like honestly you can shit on me too What why would you do that? Why would you say that? Why are you relished being a bad person? It's so weird that there was never a point in efab Where um like chat or a creator complained that we don't let people's ads run or descriptions of their future videos run But we just tend to Yeah, it just happened because we can turn it into content. It's fun. It's interesting There's things to say about it. Everyone's ad is different It's kind of insight into the creator in a way how they actually do it but like Man to just say like, you know what? I guess you could shit on me for this too. This this immoral thing, you know like Oh Okay, I guess we will I I don't get this It used to be that thing and I don't know You'd see it that you know the bad boy like he was I'm gonna do the wrong thing Aren't I great because I'm breaking all the rules and you grew up this like takes it a step further It's almost like like relishing in the fact that you do bad things and just you don't even have to tell anyone You could get away with it But just decide not only am I going to give up the jig on myself so to speak I'm just gonna be happy and laugh about it like oh All right, I do it too. Who who is that? Is that not wonderful? Oh Shouldn't have put the credit first. I'll get this attitude. Yeah, I think when people see the credit They assume the video is over The video is over when it stops you knit with When it quits because there's no more left to play But I saw credits which means film over Well, and also like what what does the word credits even mean? It means the part you fucking skip because fuck those people where you give credit to whoever the fuck makes this video geez This is his attitude when making reaction content and he could end up doing this to anyone the point of this video Isn't like this could happen to you or a loved one Okay, this could happen to any of you Hey, you know what it's pretty bad felt like me Super good faith. I don't care. I'm not even I'm just gonna be like yes Name the lie. It could Yeah, it could it could happen. Yeah, maybe some people that I consider friends or loved ones also do this for a living Who fucking suck maybe a friend of mine who made an amazing video with zero subscribers gets it booted by Hasan and gets absolutely nothing. It'll be fucking It'll be lame as hell An opportunity because because you got to think about the potential opportunities there of any of these people Sharing it or like sharing it with their friends or that it gets it in the algorithm Like it's not it could be more than just the 40 000 people who watched it on stream It could be the opportunity gone on that video And and said the streamer doesn't matter much because they're watching like 50 people's videos To you it matters a hell of a lot because it's your video the one that you worked hard on There's a there's a level of Yeah, like you need to under People work really some dumb fucks like Hasan Can get tens of thousands of people and fucking mansions by sitting there with all their Just their tomfooler. No tomfoolery implies things are happening They just sit there and stare at a video and eat their fucking nuggets And people just throw money at them and they never work and they're just amazingly successful Despite the fact that they're stupid and they have nothing insightful to say And they're everything that you shouldn't be as a person And then some people can pour their heart and soul into projects and work their asses off And they'll get nothing for it or even worse That'll get taken by somebody else and that sucks That that absolutely sucks that that's the way that it can be sometimes All right He proved he gets a jump when Hasan showed his videos to did he? Oh Jay because jay is a fucking genius, I guess Because once again trapped another streamer in this Indeed is fucking hilarious every time jay gets them with this when it wasn't intentional to trap people at all They see the only the levels. They don't read the fucking numbers Or even deeper than that they hear oh, he showed how much they gained click link This'll prove my point Oh, shit. It's it's just gold every time gets them all got Hasan irrelevant and denims By the way, this is in jay's video jay shows this You know what we said she was a zombie You get that impression Oh I don't understand why why he has these positions Because he doesn't want this shit taken. He's explained to me 17 times. Holy fuck This is an hour of him explaining why this sucks and it shouldn't happen And it's a shame that people just get away with it. God damn man Like what have you been listening to this whole time? It's incredible. What do you what is what's it? Just a fever dream the last x amount of minutes you spent reacting to this. Do you remember what happened? You were there. I saw you. No. No. No. She was thinking remember she wasn't listening She was thinking the origin of all this shit, right? I saw his sound reaction to it all first and I was like good god This was a catastrophe and then jay is like, oh, yeah other people are reacting to it And I was like, oh, well, you know, that's not bad because the video is good. So you'll be fine and he was like Yeah I was like, oh What do you mean? I was just like, yeah, I watched the irrelevant one. I was like that was a disaster It was like someone else reacted to it denims and I was like, oh god. How did that go then? It was like that was bad, too And it's like how the fuck is this happening and then I watched them casually and I was like wow um Streamers really are built different or at least this subset of twitch streamers If a part of your work relies on you uploading other people's content, then you better make sure that's not all you're doing otherwise you're just Reuploading other people's content. It's fine to do that if you have permission, but it's not if you don't What's amazing is jay's he has to explain this as if one is instructing a child as to how to behave Yeah, right like well, you can't take something if you don't have permission Permission is when the person says that it's okay for you know, it's like a child I'm not trying to tell you some kind of sub-story here about just how hard my life is if in a shocking twist of character Hasan offered to financially compensate me for the video of mine. He free-booted. I wouldn't take his money However, when this kind of thing is done completely without permission and without knowing enough about the original creator You run the risk of free-boosing work from a creator who is struggling So much of the criticism is so spite driven and it just makes me not want to like take the video seriously You know spite driven. I think that's why that complains in there. It's so so hateful So normal chill No spite I mean like I said, it's almost like frustratingly charitable. Yeah Also, we've been live for like two and a half hour and we've only watched 20 minutes How much I've spayed you guys Two and a half hours Two and a half. Oh my god. You take your job too seriously. You need to chill the fuck out. Jesus christ You're gonna die Like you're gonna premature death from brain loss Let's just say a lot of thinking time was cut All right Oh, thank god there. Do you want to know what this this person would never make a video on me? You want to know what? Do I want to know what why you want to know why? You've hook lined and sinkered me. I you've pulled me in. I need to know Why would he not make a video on you denims? I need to know what makes you special No, don't leave me hanging. I must rewind to just look at the Connection between your mouth and brain. It's just we've only watched 20 minutes. Oh, thank god Do you want to know what this this person would never make a video on me? You want to know what? You want to know why? Yes Because there's no way anyone is going to watch me for a fucking three hours Oh, well, if I could cuddle the boy over here Oh Trend buckers over here. We don't give a fuck. We'll watch anybody clearly. We will watch anybody regardless of how Like nobody watched this like deadums you were almost correct Not quite fully correct He has said the same point of like I just want you to give me credit like like I think this is like the 10th time He's done it Holy shit. Holy shit Abandoned this video. It's trashed. This is like not good, dude. This is not good. It's very good To make these judgments It is a very good video It is very well Reasoned and well argued and it's so good faith and it is just annoying and yet And yet look at how uncharitably you've interpreted every single point It's cloud chasing spite driven If you had two brain cells you'd figure out that when Hassan said that it's a flex to have two toilets together He meant something that he never said man The problem is you have to consider optics whenever you make any content at all ever tell us about Make Sure, your optics. Tell us about optics. Mrs. Oh, yes Make your bed miss optics. Tell me about Hey, look, all right. I look she hasn't read She hasn't Jordan Peterson's book is somewhere Her room or even that she should So maybe one day and she's only 51 dollars to the backpack guys She's 51 to the irl. Maybe that's an actual this is like irl. Maybe that's like a brand or something irl backpacks unlimited irl It is an all-in-one hd bond. Oh, it's a oh, it's the irl backpack is an all-in-one hd bonded video streaming solution allowing for untethered broadcasts of up to 12 hours to facebook live twitch youtube wowsa and more and Quality video streams without a large crew lots of equipment or steep learning curve It lets online broadcasters of all sizes Livestream hd video content directly to any online video provider From anywhere. So that's what it is. All right, no that thing solved We thought it might have been an irl backpack, but All right Look based Because like currently the optics on this video. They just straight up look like She's like maybe if I get money for an irl backpack. That's easier than making my bed Anyway, I'm jumping the gun here But like I don't see how jay could have done any better other than cutting out jokes that people were too stupid to understand That's literally the only improvements that I can hesitate to call them. You would have to be dimmed to not get I don't think it's in I wouldn't I wouldn't call it an improvement. Anyway, it's more just like wow You have to wait for a sea of fools that just can't understand and like have to infer intense They don't want to understand Wow, I yeah, because this is you do this you do this so you can't agree with the video You can't you're not allowed to well, I mean if you want to be intellectually consistent you can't um I'm mad and salty. So even if even if jay is not mad and he's not salty at all even a little bit It doesn't matter because that's how it's coming off Okay But okay, no it really isn't you have a warped Just I guess you have this weird lens that you look maybe you get some mascara in your eyes or something I don't know. You're not seeing clearly. This is not normal. Your perception of other people here is not normal It's probably not even healthy I'm very confused if she's concluded all this because we watched it all happen. I still don't get it Well, I mean even if jay was mad and salty. How so what he's every right to be well Yeah, so you need to know a lesson about optics. Okay, such Okay, explain to me optics. Oh, I will make you read through the medium of denims being like bitter Also, give me two seconds. I have to go like find something and so this person does not like shit on me and get really mauled on me Uh, I'm gonna put music instead Okay I don't know why people don't just She didn't want to play jay's video while being gone because jay would be mad at her for that when it's like You should do it because it's the right thing to do Not because of a consequence. It's because they they're allergic to a principle. They're allergic to a virtue They it's it just not isn't compatible with them With jay is so furious and and raging throughout this video that I can understand her fear And she's just like I wouldn't want to do anything to upset the mighty jay Of course jay is furious. Look. I mean that's just a normal colored light Yeah, jays skin That frog that frog in the background is is the real reflection of how jay feels That frog is hilarious. I like that frog. Look at him. He's so grumpy You could have a sitcom about him, but we won't because we got the sitcom about the bird That could be a crow but could also be the crow's friend. It could be a crow's well Doesn't need to be a crow. It can be a crow He's like who's you are We need it to be whoever it is They can have their little frog friend who maybe's a nihilist They they you know what so Whenever I make this this whatever it form it takes be it a comic or a cartoon I'm gonna have to credit you as as co-writers Oh, no, co-story you get the you get the story credit. You don't get the writing credit Well, I'll let you actually help me with it. I look all right I don't know if I'm gonna go that far but hey look at least the co-story credit Um, I say this but if I do follow through with this, I probably won't do that But hey, I'll mention it. You know every down then. I don't know. I haven't we this idea is still in its early days It's not it's not quite yet formed To be crafted to be molded to be molded to be yes to be molded We have fun here on e-fab Steel man. I have so little respect For people who don't steel man other content creators, you know Oh, man Fuck off man Yeah, right. It's pretty incredible But yeah, all right god stuff denims This comment isn't saying well everybody does it so it should be good because that's a fucking stupid ass argument That would be like saying well everybody murders. So therefore it's fine. What you do that? What? So a lot of them have said that several times a lot of them have said that Now, um, it's basically irrelevant. Unfortunately, I guess I when I made this video I hoped that the resolution behind if you could read that comment And I don't know if any of you guys can open it up and read it in another page because I'm stuck down at like I'm not the biggest son Fan, but I feel a lot of streamers just watch random videos to react to while they eat so I don't feel Like it's that man if he does this Yeah, so uh Jay responded to it by addressing the fact that it's appealing to a lot of people doing the same thing And she's saying that's like not steel manning That's that's what it that that's the literal it's the argument being made Yeah That's all there's no manning of any kind involved. It's also an argument It's an argument irrelevant made it's an argument Hassan made so I don't know what she's talking about Well, and how's it not I mean if someone made the argument It's by definition not a straw man because that's the argument. It's not a straw man. It is the argument. Yes It is it is a man because remember there's a man the story I'm pretty sure this is because the story behind the straw man has looked at me I have defeated the knight But he's made of straw as opposed to the real knight standing off in the corner like hello I'm here to fight I can believe that people connect I I can I can believe that people can connect when they hear straw man They think oh like someone who doesn't have a brain because you know wizard of us That's yeah, that's that's a fair interpretation Because interestingly steel man, it's like the implication then would be that it's stronger than the knight And it's like well, not technically if it stays still like I guess that's still easier It's not a no heart Oh my god, we'll do the this the scariest of things. Um, anyway, she's certain that jay has done a bad Everybody has to do it all all streamers anyone who streams for enough hours in a day has to get up Has to take a break stop staring at their monitors for a little bit get some water You're appealing to it being widespread again. I don't know why Yeah, and first off, that's true. Yes, you don't have to some people can legit do it And wow champions, of course the rest of dbt, but still, you know What's dbt that's called commit deep vein from oh did I say dbt dbt deep vein thrombosis I think you said dbt. I just don't know what that is. Oh, we'll get dbt deep vein thrombosis Oh, I said dtf Yeah, deep Deep throat. Fuck There you go. You know deep vein thrombosis deep vein thrombosis So That this comment is not a steel man and now she's agreeing with the comment As if it's the argument that she's saying it's not a real argument Exactly, it's legitimately interesting to see what what what form the argument takes as it passes through like like The comment and then the commentary on it and then her watching that commentary Like it's a pinball and a machine like it enters it ends right back up It's her first brain cell and she says usually one word or so gets the second brain cell and then a sentence maybe I'm gonna get to the last brain cell usually. She says what? And I guess that counts as commentary in this world etch go pee get food That's why all the streamers do it and instead of steel manning this commentator Like this this person's argument being like, okay, I understand what your perspective is But you have to understand that like it's not fair to the person who makes the video instead He's he's just saying like well, no everybody's doing it. So it must be okay. What he said That's that's what What do you think what do you think those words mean? Well, she just said those symbols are letters and when combined to have words shared understandings She makes an additional point that to be fair was mostly the same point But like she's such a strange person Okay, and it's like you're not even trying to make a decent argument and it's so fucking frustrating I don't understand why some of these comments are even in this video Like one of the comments was like I understand why he has to do that It's because he has to go pee and eat and whatever and he wants to at least try to entertain That's a dumb comment. That's why it's in the video. It's like, why did you put that on there? That's just like a stupid comment. No, it isn't a sane perspective It's the perspective of someone who thinks Even when I'm taking a break and not working I deserve money so much that I'm entitled to other people's shit in order to Give me money and give me things while I take a break That's what it means. You can call that a sane perspective if you want to but it's still wrong effective Don't cook or eat food You are a content slave and not allowed to leave frame for more than 30 seconds on an 8 to 12 hour stream What the fuck you British Because he said muppet yeah You muppet She certainly showed jay there Cheezing crackers time You've got your fucking walking down the street license Jolly good, um, there's enough white people in britain though. I assume it's not a problem Yes, the british are still at least at the moment mostly white. So until the time the tide shift We can make fun of them. Those are the rules as I understand them because it's not like Anyone else has made fun of A kind of our relevant had any like kind of like being british. She's I think she did it before right? Yeah, she made fun of jay for being british already Well, isn't isn't it like a common thing in internet politics circle? They call them brit bongers or something to well like a lot of I've definitely Well, I mean, I know about that But I guess it's just uh, it seems like it's I know that there are some people who say like Every time like an australian appears on like some sort of political panel that it's always like shit Which I guess is funny as well. I guess australians are also Part of the you're allowed to shit on them camp. Oh, you're right. Um, yes. Well, I mean, I'm not but Yes, that's right. I am green I mean, I like to call brit bongers proto americans Proto americans, I guess From a certain point of view Video shows they have no idea of how streaming works like they should leave their whiny baby with nothing happening. Yeah What? So she's just equated chat to a whiny baby. You cannot leave them on their own Cat is that's great. Thanks. Hey chat. You all suck. I don't even think of our chat like that IRL backpack friend She says it so quickly and is like, yeah, that's true. And it's just like do you even know what you just said This are the people who support you they give you the money and the audience and they talk about you and they make all these Memes and content and they watch your stuff and that Jesus christ. I mean don't bite the hand that feeds you. Be lucky you have any at all Listen, maybe we got this wrong. She's negging the chat. Okay, presumably. Yes. Uh, I But like that's a she's using that as a legitimate excuse like you can't leave a baby on its own So you can't leave chow on its own so you have to use other people's videos It's like why what is your logic? I have to buy toys for the baby though. I don't the analogy doesn't work. No, it doesn't work at all And also chat's not a fucking baby. It's a bunch of adults presumably Presumably for her content might be babies Why are we reading comments and like arguing against comments? I can help you out He's taking general upvoted comments And once that he sees a lot around reads them out as the example and then addresses it So that that argument is addressed doesn't really matter if it comes from comments or a streamer saying it About getting the argument out and sorted There's a lot of stupid arguments that get made in relation to this that for some reason a lot of people find compelling I think 28 Because of people like you daddams you're telling everyone in your chat that all these arguments are pretty compelling Unfortunately, and so they actually believe it Okay Okay, but to switch streamers versus youtubers gonna become the next thing I mean, I think the twitch streamers will win. We have more power youtubers without an ila power What do you have if you don't take our shit? So first of all youtubers are you but then they also make prepared content So how the fuck do you win this and then youtubers will tear you apart piece by piece and then upload the video cleanly Instead of just doing a twitch stream. How do you win? What does it even mean to win that you get to react to whatever you want? I don't know that you can defeat the feeling people have that this isn't fair I assume that's what she's talking about like If they were like, uh-huh fog champ. Oh, you know what? I'm convinced that feeling that I have that I've been wronged here It's just gone So just vanishes if there was an idea of youtube fighting for the side of You should transform content ethically versus twitch's side of I should be able to steal. How the fuck does twitch win this? I I also like that as well like more door and Exactly Well, I mean youtube isn't much more than a platform, isn't it then twitch As far as twitch has all the capabilities The sorry youtube has all the capabilities of twitch and more Yeah, well video is plus live But also, I mean if jay or any other youtuber whose content was being stolen All they have to do is they just have to contact twitch And get them to take it down. Well, yeah, you're right. She's already Exactly, yeah, so I mean how does twitch win this? Yeah, this river seems to flow only one direction. We've figured out twitch loses it like several different ways Why also I'm gonna be honest if dev dev I'm very sorry dev I did not mean to say that if denim thinks that her Level of content is something that's even remotely respectable. I'm sorry, but I virtually guarantee that every youtuber who puts in the effort and time to Make content and to research and edit and stuff can probably stream at your level or better And man if youtube is actually coordinated to make aware all of the companies that are getting this shit stolen by you Uh who come crashing down We have more what do you think she meant more power? No, I mean, I guess they have more like shit articles writing positive things about They have more active viewers maybe but even then I'm not sure that's true Okay, but to switch streamers versus youtubers gonna become the next thing I mean, I think the twitch streamers will win. We have more power You know, I mean we have to deal with harassment live on stream. We have to deal with harassment live on the stream This is like higher power emotional mental Fortitude, maybe is that what she's trying to she is mental and emotional That's true. I don't know which side fucking wins the both sites are filled with crazy people like why why would Who's got a better mental fortitude out of the youtubers and twitch streamers like I don't know No, no one in all no, I don't know like we would easily win that like it's not even close YouTubers just get to like filter out. They don't even have to read their comment section. Okay simple as You don't have to What are you talking about? Damn, you are stupid. Jesus Christ. There's that filter most people have where the brain goes Oh, no thought thought that you just know we're gonna go go back go back go back Yeah, put on your pants tie up your yep your belt too that yep shoes on then come back when you okay Okay, good. Now you can go out the teeth You're more bad. I don't have that filter. No you're getting watched by a streamer than Gordon Ramsay having this multi-million dollar show watched on stream Uh, you know how that means you're bad Not better jay's more angry than Gordon Ramsay is all the stuff they're doing and then laughs. It's like, um I don't even know what point you think you're making How many easy dumb tweets I can find like I think laughing at a dumb tweet is funny, you know, there's plenty of dumb tweets I think laughing at a funny. That's why you're like clicking on a dumb tweet and being like, look at how fucking stupid this is Making an hour-long video and having like what like a five-minute segment dedicated or maybe like a three-minute segment dedicated to like Dumb comments. It's silly Why Why There are a few things also how long should it be? Oh Too bad, you can do most of the talking while you're away. That'll make a cameo the stream applies to England Scotland and wales the highway code is essential reading for everyone play something made by I love that little clip and that's another one that was in danger because an idiot streamer could have been like Why would I want to bring someone on to read something boring? You know what I mean? I'm just like, uh, but luckily that didn't happen So no is happy for their content to be used in this way play your own streams or content Just fucking end the stream. Holy shit. And if all of these things You know what? When I first saw a draft of this video I told jay you might want to cut that one out because it's going to be used as an excuse to ignore your whole point And jay was like, what do you mean? I was like saying end stream They're going to say like what the fuck is wrong with you end my stream. This is my job Ignoring all of the good points you made even though that one's kind of sad tongue-in-cheek Uh, it will give them an hour and jay was I think preferred to keep it for the the comedic value as well Is the fact that it's a good point Yeah, it's kind of difficult point When people are interpreting this and like as bad faith as possible, they're going to twist everything that way So you're end up using all of your arguments I don't like I wouldn't blame jay for any keeping any of the things that they that's ended up being kept in this at all I I think it's it's only that You have these Convultures tearing it for anything they can use and twist and it's so annoying All seem like they're too much effort then Sucks to be you take some pride in your work. Holy shit You don't get to just take something someone else made What does take pride in your work mean? I don't know I had a favorite quote of hers before this one is now the favorite quote that is the best thing you'll ever hear her say Is wonderful. Holy shit. You don't get to just take something someone else made What does take pride in your work mean? I don't know What do you think it means try steel god forbid steel man it What does it mean to have pride in your work I've never experienced that I don't know what it is I thought it was like I thought it was like that self-evident level of just you know what it means because the words are just it's so I It's like let's say it's like jump. What does jump mean? I don't know It's it's just it's jumping. You idiot. Like I don't Praving pride in you. This is this is the result of a a horrific Lost battle for someone's soul where they have to Admit openly. They don't know what it means to have pride in your work They've made it this far through life. This person's what 24 20 25 doesn't matter because I knew what that meant when I was like 10 Right. This is an adult who has a job apply quotes liberally and they don't know What having pride in your work means? Who say how how I don't how do you make it this far without knowing what that is? Surely she has heard that before it's a phrase that everyone has heard before Take pride in your work and I guess she heard it and It blocked it out or it was never said to her for some reason Or she didn't think it applied to anything that was related to I I don't know Here we are. Here we are. She's like 25 or whatever She doesn't know what that means My homie really said just end stream Hey guys, I want to go pee so I'm gonna see you guys later. Okay Just turn off your stream when you go to pee and poop then come and restart it when you want to go back Get a co-host or end your stream very simple easy solutions What I'm curious about is they literally are Yeah, it is really easy But if someone You watch someone's content, what if he had watched so jay had watched someone's content They said I didn't like the way that you reacted about this But it depends on what they say Further you need clarification after that if someone says that to me rags I watched efab and you covered my video and I did not like the way that you reacted And I'm like, okay go on like I'm expecting more. I'm expecting a period Or just more to that sentence because that's not enough for me to work with She she poses this like jay would have no answer. Like yeah, we're now what jay Huh? No, what ruined i'm like tell me more. You know That's totally fine. He makes the most sense. Well, that's nice to see isn't it? I mean, I understand sweet dude My man said react harder. Oh, so I have like 30 minutes of his son's response to work within my editing room That's what you said That's literally what you said you literally said I don't like the way that you reacted to my content And he said, okay, you don't like the way that I react. I reacted to your content That's fine. I won't watch your content anymore. He literally did say react harder cat to come back This is so where's the cat literally so cringe, dude She's watched that much and she's still concluding at this point. The jay's point is react harder That's it so cringe So cringe dude, so cringe, dude Um, but that's only the first portion of denims Oh no Don't get too scared by the rest of this possibly go Oh god, this this is such an adventure to come Oh, is this just is this the same we haven't yet to experience man-made horrors beyond yeah, basically I was hoping to get this into one video, but it like froze every time I tried to edit it that way Uh, I split it to two. I'm not sure why but yeah, uh the hasam one because you're your video editing software couldn't handle the denseness Of denim and it's a built-in feature of vegas. It's a it's a user safety protocol algorithm Yes, like we've detected we've detected a and of not a what's it called a Abnormal yeah, like an abnormal Yeah, in the time space stupidity flux drive Time space continuum fabric Due to our safety user safety protocols, which you agreed to in our terms of service paragraph 78 page 6 We are now shutting down your license has been revoked. You will thank us like Um, uh to be fair as well. This is she is finally starting to get mad at jay by the way. This is this is almost like Where it cuts in huh awesome great. Well, you do at a pause point Let me step over just a moment and I will be right back and just just a minute just a minute Okay, so while rax is away. Let's find another random video to just watch and not comment on Rax away Let's just play a clip of a movie or something. What's your impression of denim so far? Uh Braindead I think she's okay. I think she's trying to be female hassan. She sounds like him She talks very similar to the way he talks. She makes very similar moronic arguments the way hassan does Yeah, I think you're on point There's a weird ecosystem where a lot of them are trying to just get to his Station if you will or at least Experience its light It's just so sad Beam your light upon me hassan. Let's me grow. I need it If i'm having to suck up to somebody who probably doesn't even know what shoelaces are let alone how to tie them It's just like uh It's like those Uh stories where you have like the king is really stupid But they're butler or assistant or advisor is like super smart and they just have to try and Slowly manipulate them into making the choice that they just want Well, I mean you got to suck up to the guy at the top that you have not the guy at the top you want so So it comes up with people are still like how though, how did he get to the top and it's like look No matter what answers you give it doesn't quite feel like you've got the answer Yeah It's depressing, isn't it? It is depressing. The only thing I could think of is that I've interacted with a lot of People younger than me a lot of zoomers and they they talk very similar to the way hassan talks and I just go Poorly Yes poorly Poorly and stupidly and vapidly Their diction is like a work of fiction Oh Sound like dr. Evil saying that for some reason. It is depressive how they are expressive Yes It is shit Things that they can explain react content to a twitch streamer who Their primary source of income is twitch streaming react stuff Wow, and they think that they can explain to a twitch streamer this Yeah, it's sad that we know how to do your job better than you do. Isn't that Don't you feel ashamed of yourself and for some reason she's really hopping on this split between twitch and youtube Like it's this these dramatically different areas of these are the ultimate tribalists. It shouldn't surprise you It's got to be teams. We got to come up with teams and I'm on his songs Jay and fringin metal regularly stream on twitch. I started streaming on twitch Right before I did the main youtube videos that I did but I still did youtube as well Um, yeah, but she's an idiot doesn't mean to say it's like it's like are you youtubers? You don't know it's like fuck you we were twitch streamers before you you don't even know what you're talking about Yeah, until like this saga started to happen This is what's creating the divide in my mind is like oh you people are just I just assumed it was like the same thing different flavor. Yeah You know it's people making videos Some people do streams more some people make like video stuff more and that's it. There was never a split It's not an us first them kind of thing And so like you got Jay just trying to be like I can do this do this do this as any other option than stealing and she's like You're gonna tell me how to do my job Like yeah Because you don't know how Helping And you're also stealing from me. So yes, I will tell you to not do that. You take the advice for free I'm gonna I'm gonna woman sprain. I'm gonna twitch sprain. Oh god Content, okay. Okay. I'm gonna twitch plane Okay, you want to know why this video is bad here. You really don't understand why this video is bad Okay, I'm gonna essay explain to you right now This video is bad because you're taking the criticisms of morons who spend five minutes of their life typing a hate comment to you Oh, no, you agree. No No, this is important. There's a super cut here. Okay. She just said you're taking comments from morons Okay You're taking comments from morons try more. What a baby. What a baby Doing all this other weird shit just makes you seem petty Just makes you seem fucking petty This is really just like a cope video Literally wouldn't even know who you are if it wasn't for her son streaming your video Okay, dude also who omega lol like Yeah, seriously I'm not the biggest to son fan But I feel a lot of streamers just watch random videos to react to this mostly a watch part of the video You'll understand the point very quickly. So I don't feel like it's that bad that he does this I watch his son pretty frequently and I honestly think it's because he was eating lmao Content quality usually takes a nose dive for that half an hour He's usually good about crediting channels and sharing his thoughts throughout a lot of the time He's leaving or eating because he literally streams for 10 plus hours a day And he's got to do it sometime and the chat needs to be entertained in the meantime Anyone who streams for enough hours in a day has to get up has to take a break Stop staring at their monitors for a little bit get some water stretch go pee get food That's why all the streamers do it Lull these comments. Why don't you guys start a twitch and react your way? This whole leaving eating et cetera is just a constant streaming combined with actually satisfying 13 human needs Like peeing and eating also he streams like eight hours a day You can't expect him to clown around energetically for every minute of those eight hours Literally for five minutes not never longer than fucking five minutes to go get to go get food because I'm fucking hungry And I will lose like a quarter of my audience Just tell them not to react to your videos other streamers like matt orchard and jcs are saying that they love the boost and views They're getting from a son's reacts It's not clear that jay would be opposed to it if you didn't say enough in this video then jcs would quit because Not everyone does their best all the time You literally said I don't like the way that you reacted to my content And he said okay, you don't like the way that I react. I reacted to your content. That's fine. I won't watch your content anymore How about just telling him not to do that instead of pulling this cringe shit? That was so cringe. Okay. This is so current. This is literally so cringe, dude You're not allowed to watch any youtube videos unless you react the exact way the creator wants you to the rules of the internet So his son reacted and he was like, well, you got the reaction wrong. That's not what I said What the fuck is happening? And honestly, I give them an f for react content. I feel like I feel like he's grading his son's reacts Like he's like his son's reacts get a d minus Jay's entire channel revolves around him making content that only reacts to other people's content or analyzes it There's no difference between what jay is doing here and what he's complaining about his son doing Jay's pathetically drama baiting over something that in essence would require him to delete 90% of his channel's videos If he was serious about not using other people's content What if he had watched so jay had watched someone's content? They said I didn't like the way that you reacted about this Then what? Lowell just react harder. Hey jay react harder. My man said react harder You literally said I don't like the way that you reacted to my content And he said okay, you don't like the way that I react. I reacted to your content. That's fine I won't watch your content anymore He literally did say react harder This video is bad because you're taking the criticisms of morons who spend five minutes of their life typing a hate comment to you Can any of you figure out what my point is? What a fucking idiot That was the best you've got to have He's just you've got to have an insane level of just I don't even want to say ignorance. I feel like it's just I This is an incredible lack of Awareness on your part. I I don't even say I'm I've lost losing the ability to speak and form words Her stupidity is contagious I think so. I think it's I think it is It's like it is a contagion that I've contracted it through the internet I need to unplug my modem cables or else I will become the dumb Is is she really this stupid or Did she set she made all her terrible arguments then when she gets that part of the jay's video or all the same arguments are Basically made back to her. She realized how stupid they were. So now she's like embarrassed and trying to cover it up You know how sometimes you maybe Think of so let's take this with movies, right? Sometimes we watch a movie After years and years and years and years and we can't quite remember what we thought or said about it the first time Right, but it has it's been years. Maybe a decade or more since we've seen a movie, right? No perspective totally changed and and we're like sort of new people, you know by then That's her but with seconds in between stages Like it's it's like rewatching a movie again and giving a perspective and isolation As if you were a new person. I see Well, how they say how goldfish have a three second memory I think that explains a lot. She she can't remember anything that she's said in the past about a video that she's It might take is I'm willing to believe that she's completely forgotten that she said a lot of what was in those comments It's like they say was it it takes seven years for you to to shed all yourselves and regrow the entire body seven seconds Seven seconds her brain has completely shed out. We've moved on Every thought she has it's not connected to previous thoughts Everyone is every one of her thoughts is an island. It exists in isolation And any connection between previous thoughts is incidental and accidental. Maybe she's really like evolved here Okay, we're thinking in this confounds of limited like linear time And she's just beyond that every moment. It's just the individual eternity of that. She has benjamin button of the brain It's like a you know in tlj when rey is like situation for answers that she finds the mirror Like it's like daddams is like yj. Why would you respond to the comments of who would care about responding to these Who do these comments even come from that she looks into the wall and there's a mirror and she's like And then she doesn't get it It's all these ears here What are you trying to say? I like rags on the cider cut repeating his jokes from the justice league Hey, that shit was gold both times I think uh, it's an answer in chat was correct as well if she sold out super cut. She wouldn't understand the point I agree I don't think she would understand the point She would say like what and then there would be silence and then she'd say I don't know what to tell you And then she's like, it would be true. It would be true I should say someone explain to these video essayists Okay, how to craft a good argument because they don't understand Just what I mean about how like in terms of formats like streaming versus video creation It's like the video creator people they're gonna they're gonna beat you because they they look at stuff They look back and they compare statements. You've made they're not like twitch chat Where they can't actually forget the things you said five seconds ago and just move right along When you compare them back back makes you look like a fucking idiot, doesn't it? Yeah, generally there's an underlying Person sure to say who makes all these comments, which means that there's some kind of like consistency Generally when you react to things but here it's just like Man, it's all over the place. It's like a scatter shot of thoughts and they're all they're all dumb Yeah, somehow When even look for your stream, you know, you did a hundred times more work than Denim's ever done for a stream just by cutting all that together I had to watch a denim stream Like oh, sorry. I had to watch two denim streams and a denim. Oh, no one for each hand They we haven't even gotten to stream two from Denim's yet Wait, there's a stream two to this. Uh, yeah, it's the stream where she talks to Jay They they talk they talk and I've got it in here the important parts of it I cut it right down, but I'll give you all context when we get there. Don't worry. Okay You never should take those people fucking seriously Never take those people seriously Denim's included what does take pride in your work mean? I don't know The fact that you are including a bunch of fucking random comments and being like, whoa, look at how dumb this person is Oh my god, and look at how dumb my haters are If you're gonna criticize someone so I'm throwing in this example specifically to show This is how Jay is dealing with a comment when she's like look at how dumb this person is right So let's just have a look on for reacting then I will criticize your use of footage that isn't technically yours So yeah a lot of the content on my channel is reviews of movies or shows And I use footage of those movies and shows to show what I'm talking about Although I don't really feel that I need to explain the kind of thing that I do because you've been watching it for 30 minutes And it's distinctly different from just letting someone else's content players you cook eat and occasionally make vague or vacuous comments Whoa, how is that? Like like what? How could that confuse any rational person? Not only that it's just does it come like on the tone scale how much of a dick is Jay being? It's like, I don't know like a Like a two out of 10 Yeah, I'm thinking two. Yeah He could be way nicer. I suppose but we're getting to like Ned Flanders levels of like not Yeah, you'd have to think about how it could be nicer But yeah, there's probably a world where it could be nicer. So two Anyone that challenges me or my feelings is already a 10 10 in level of aggression I don't care what they're saying at the time an 11 is when they say I disagree with you Oh my god, that's the big one. Yeah. Oh look at how dumb this person is. Oh my god. And look at how dumb my haters are What you were supposed to do was okay. I want to dress like some criticisms that I've seen a lot of So without further oh, right. Yeah, I should probably so this is another super cut I'm just gonna let it play. This is Denim's advice on what Jay should do and then You know, I just play some clips that have nothing to do with what she's saying at all And it's distinctly different from just letting someone else's content players You cook eat and occasionally make vague or vacuous comments Whoa, look at how dumb this person is. Oh my god. And look at how dumb my haters are What you were supposed to do was okay I want to dress like some criticisms that I've seen a lot of So without further ado, I'll sit down pour myself a nice refreshing glass of beans and go over Some of the arguments that I made in favor of this kind of reaction The first criticism that I get a lot is react harder Lowell just react harder. Hey Jay react harder. My man said react harder And it has more to do with the fact that I think that walking away from the computer is bad Instead of just react harder Summing up the criticism as react harder does make it sound unreasonable because saying react harder would be unreasonable But summing it up as Contribute something would be a lot more accurate. My man said contribute something man Make your reaction stream a meaningfully different experience to watching the original video. It's not just a matter of react I'm imagining Hasan with this level of oratory skill And it's bizarre. My brain doesn't like it. It's not right. It goes against the natural laws of the universe Instead of like posting a bunch of like random youtube comments straw manning the arguments and then trying to like look smart because of it It's fucking stupid. You're like bad-fating like hardcore So if it wasn't clear, he did everything she told him to do already and she's seen all of it But yeah, your brain doesn't work properly I think she just hears like the buzzwords that other breadtubers say bad faith Social intuition draw man. She's kind of like regurgitates it without fully understanding amazing react harder my man said react harder He literally did say react harder What does take pride in your work mean? I don't know It's like have you guys ever brushed your teeth and then drink orange juice? Like that, but it's like that but in my mind every time it's not painful Thoroughly unpleasant I mean Instead of saying like oh like this could be true You make fun of him for it or something like which is very strange and also like low-key kind of ableist of you Well jay is the ableist for making fun of hasan for saying something that could interpret easily as ableist It's amazing. It's how did you do that? What road of logic did you just go down because I didn't follow goodness Shouldn't be a bed behind you should be a trampoline for all the other clowns in that circus you live in I feel like it's it's gotta be like uh It's gotta be I don't know. Yeah Like someone who has a disability or something right like it doesn't make any sense Um, I'm not sure what part of this messy weird house has made hasan conclude Yes, only a disabled could have caused this It's so funny. It's really well done. She shuffles in and shakes. It's so funny I fight for the underclass Which is very strange and also like low-key kind of ableist of you And then people would have taken this so seriously because people like people who are good faith and genuinely feel a certain way People like people who are good faith and feel a certain way Why I hate you anyway Or just a certain way People like a certain way just one know that one as long as it's certain to some extent. Yeah as long as it's a certain It doesn't matter what it is, but I hate people who think I'm literally gonna do exactly what I've been doing which is whatever the fuck I want to do, bitch What are you talking about couldn't really ask for more explicit declaration that he's not gonna change the way he does things Say it I want to see what you said. You can't listen to chat chat doesn't even know what the fuck they want Okay, I don't mean to be mean to chat chat does not know what they want No, what's what the sun said. Yeah, I don't I don't understand. Why did you go into chat? I wanted to hear her I wanted to hear her address what even I thought would be a super unbelievable Yep, that's that Just gonna stop that sentence and carry on Apologize for is what he's doing which is the actual thing that I took issue with in the first place And is something that he spends most of his stream arguing in favor of a lot of the argument Dude, holy fuck if the video was actually just this last two minutes It would have been so good because this is a genuine good criticism Which is I'm not I'm not asking you to apologize to me I'm asking you to apologize to the people that like you do this to and that you shouldn't do this You've been this whole you've been running defense squad forum this whole video. It makes me what he what do you think he actually did wrong? It's juicier than that. Okay. She just outlined what she thinks should have been in earlier points of video Right, shouldn't just assume someone is okay with their content being used as filler If a part of your work relies on you uploading other people's content, then you better make sure that's not all you're doing otherwise you're just Reuploading other people's content Unless you have explicit permission to use something as filler content It's fine to do that if you have permission But it's not if you don't rip. He said all this already. You just didn't fucking listen You know, like if he had said that I would be like, oh, wow, that's actually a good video, but instead He's so full of shit By jay, I can't believe you missed it. Oh, it seems so obvious Oh, man. Gosh. She should just listen to her and did the thing you did Fuck me so annoying to listen to Fucking 30 40 minutes talking about a bunch of nonsense looping over and over again Instead of like this really good criticism And it's like I would not watch this video if I wasn't trying to actively look for it and actively watch and actively try And find the message of this video. I wouldn't have even fucking seen this perspective. Come on Come on Wow, what do you mean? Even even a hypothetical version of her that isn't shit couldn't do it The hypothetical dot shit Is that possible? I don't know Tina bottle, dude She feels like a song wanted to not be streaming anymore But they don't want to lose those stream dollars like outside of the camera being on him How is any different than him just watching you to be all stream it just rose me the wrong way like how do you Think of your viewers to just stream your break Hey, what am I supposed to do die? Like I don't understand Son reacts to someone's suggestion that he could die Well, listen, this is silly. I son is just not good at making arguments because he's not a debate. Oh boy Fucking idiot He's probably mentally challenged It's I like the idea that debate if you are a debate bra you are incapable of making strong arguments Or at least it is indicative of why you're Not good at it. Can we also just point out tweedle dub just said tweedle d doesn't know how to make arguments Yeah, wow. Yeah, sorry. That that was lost on me for a second there. It's like talk about Holy shit nice Well, I mean and why would you say his whole thing is he's supposed to be a political commentator who gives people Political insight and you're saying well, he can't craft good arguments Like I noticed there was a lot of people who run defense for him say he's not a political commentator, which I find amusing because What is he then? People say he's a variety or something or he's just Oh, yeah, I know I just I don't I don't buy that I mean, didn't he do an interview recently where he talked about how he forged out the political community on twitch? Yes, you don't get you don't get to take credit for something you didn't do and then walk about I don't know if he says this but people in the people definitely say that about him And I don't I just I don't buy it used to debate people all the time. He did Yeah, but everybody Stop now the only person who did it is destiny and now he's banned off of twitch So that space is probably going to wither away Because none of the larger people in that space the one that talks a smaller. It's a smarter move to not small youtubers That's what happened was that he you know He was fine debating people on the right and even if he was wrong His audience was so left focused that you know, he could just shit on them And then he debates destiny a bunch of times who just like annihilates him and makes him look like a moron And destiny is coming from more of a left perspective. And then he's just like, oh, I don't debate people anymore. I'm done I'm not a debate bro. Yeah, because you're right. If Hassan looks like an idiot to the right He doesn't care, but if you make him look like an idiot to the left He's gonna be like, oh, that's bad. Yeah um Yeah, just on the topic of uh, you know defense force for Hassan as well I like that. This was the one that broke it. She couldn't even bother defending this one when you when he's like this one What do you want me to do die? She's like, yeah, I can't There is a line. It's very low, but it's you've hit the line. I'm sorry Bro, that's not the only statement that he should have said there is I lose viewers when I leave and I don't put See He shouldn't have said what am I supposed to do die? He should have said what am I supposed to do lose viewers? Yes Brilliant I don't wrongly. She's like, what a dumb argument. Hassan, let me replace it with this great one I'll give you a ringer. You can use this instead On your pocket for later to play so I'm incentivized to put something to play when I leave Chat doesn't even know what the fuck they want. Okay. I don't mean to be mean to chat Chat does not know what oh, yeah I'm putting this in here just because she just said chat wants the thing and that's why I've got to do it Also chat doesn't know what they want because yeah, we have to obey chat and all of their demands This chat that does not know what they want. Yeah, this this this chat that is basically akin to a crying baby Which I guess makes that analogy work a little bit better, but even a crying baby I guess knows what it wants sort of yeah Most other uh content creators on youtube and all around don't give a shit if you watch the videos or they like it They literally like it. They want you to watch their videos. Please record your answer and send it to me Would you be okay with it if a streamer played one of your videos in full on their stream with Now we went through this with our elephant. I'm just gonna give us a quick reminder Jay was prompted by Hassan by Hassan claiming Most youtubers love that this happens So Jay is like is that true and asks a bunch of random youtubers that he has dms with that is why this happened Saying that you're really adding anything. No, no, no, I would not yes No Well, I mean I could kind of do with a like I wouldn't say no I don't think I would be okay with the streamer playing one of my videos in its entirety without even really adding to it If they give me a shout out and try to send people my way then sure, but we're really doing anecdotes Most other uh content creators on youtube and all around don't give a shit if you watch the videos Or they like it. They literally like it. They want you to watch their videos That's what we're doing now. You're gonna ask your friends Like it's brain rot for the lot of them. They just can't understand why Jay is doing this They just cut they just they've lost the memory of her. She was watching Hassan say that I remember I remember seeing a meme that was explaining all of the logical fallacies and one of the memes that I saw Was about anecdotal. I remember that It was next to straw manning and next to appeal to authority And I'm just gonna throw well, I'm jumping ahead. I guess in the but people do this. They just throw out People don't understand these fallacies. I heard this word right They use them, but they don't understand them. So for instance A lot of people throw straw man around very liberally But if you are responding to an argument that exists and is written down that someone has actually said There's no straw man. That is a point that is being addressed Fringy, why are you gaslighting them? That sounds like an ad hominem to me rags Ad hominem is another one that people throw around a lot too. Yeah, all of these are everywhere all over the internet Because ad hominem is a fun one because if you say Uh, this is why your argument is bad. You fool Uh, as opposed to you are a fool. Therefore your arguments cannot be good Like that's what it means to use an ad hominem calling someone stupid. It's not an ad hominem. It's just an insult It or a description I mean, I'm not insulting denim when I call her stupid. I'm just describing her That's just a slippery slope fallacy. Okay guys. Oh damn it ad hominem from stitch one. Oh Yeah, got to the gaps once again. Oh, yeah anecdote You lose j anecdote Yes, it is an anecdote therefore it is worthless Okay, dude Also who omega lol because you know what sorry because hassan who omega lol. Is that an appeal to authority? Omega law authority No evidence whatsoever that he was like he just said most youtubers like it It's like, oh, have you done like a broad sweeping survey or study that's analyzed the effects of what you do And how many people like it. Why is that not an anecdote? Well, it's not even an anecdote. He just pulled it out of his ass. He has no He has nothing to support that claim Yeah, seriously And this whole repetitive cycle of drama on youtube would grind to the halt and I'd have to fill the rest of my days with Anything else like Were probably yes, if they were to credit me that person is based What why would you say that the person who made a joke about how if things were different I might have to work He says he's he's based That's in line with the character It's in line with the character No, I guess the socials would know about expenses. That's fine. It was like a bias question Or whatever with the lore um randomly selected from people I have open dms with yeah And also it's kind of silly because it's like obviously you're gonna like Your friends are probably gonna have similar opinions to you for starters Literally several people said that they were fine with it in that selection On this like I left him in there Yeah, Jay I was like I think it was three people who outright said yes, and then there was some people who said Yes, if blah blah blah blah um all relevant I said this basically the same thing that this is It's bias because the cherry picking and bias. Yeah The people who you know, which doesn't actually count as shit, but uh, They would have to be yeah, this doesn't work for this opinion It just doesn't it doesn't there doesn't seem to be any correlation between people that I would have as friends And people who have this opinion on this content thingy of preference of theirs. There's no There's a there's a correlation between like oh Maybe people who like a misanthrope who just like hates people. Yeah, probably won't be friends with them, right? But this is It's it's not relevant. Yeah, you don't just drawn the bias other than well, you know them Jay So they'll agree with you. Oh Okay, second of all, um Uh, what is it called? Uh, the anecdote seems valid in this case in different types of channels. So what would you prefer? Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, it was a leading question. The question should have been Is a leading where in what circumstances would you be okay with a streamer watching your content? So the reason why it's not a leading question what Jay said versus what she's just done Which is insufficient if I said to you guys right now Uh, are you okay with a streamer watching a video in Like what what circumstances you okay with that in you should be like, well I would describe something Hassan definitely didn't do I mean, this is kind of the problem with that question a lot of us would just describe like oh Well, you know, they they play it and they mentioned who I am. I guess or shown and they they I mean it's up to them how much they want to react. I I suppose You know Involved in the question is not the point of asking the question which is are you okay with someone With zero credit showing your video in its entirety to their audience That is the important substance of the question. That's not priming anyone for anything Which is it's fine because that is an accurate representation of what happened It's not like you're trying to you're not misrepresenting events in the question to get them to answer a certain way That's what happened what she's talking about would have to require me to go Are you guys with uh, okay with someone very Evaly uploading your video to their stream without crediting you at all in a very malicious way Like you you wouldn't be okay with that. Would you? Like uh, you may have directed me to one answer there But if i'm just like are you okay with this He's just like well, yeah, I mean how how neutral can you get at asking that question I don't understand what you want from jay jay is trying to figure out if what Hassan said has any truth to it at all Or she's just fucking bullshit I know if they answered it and it would just be a longer way of saying Oh, so basically everyone is against what Hassan did it wouldn't help her point It just make the video longer and the problem for jay is that Had the question denim suggested been asked a lot of people would have asked answered in such a way that jay is like Okay, but I need to know specifically if you're okay with what Hassan has done Like you may not have answered the question enough for me to infer what your response to the you know I mean, this is like so it's just insufficient. Yeah, I would have said so they all said this. Let's see how many match with what Hassan did. Oh, none It's like in what circumstances are you okay with a streamer reacting to your content? You'd be like well any yeah, sure They go you okay with it if they don't react at all. It's like no You know, I mean this is like oh fuck. I guess I should have phrased it a bit differently That would have been a non-leading question That you would have actually had people be able to answer completely in in their entirety You could have had people answer in their entirety She's just complaining about how this was too long and needs to be edited Yeah, we need to ask a non-leading question sitch, okay Oh, I'm so sorry. I forgot. Oh, dude. I watched smiling friends the first episode. I really didn't like it Oh I know it's her job to help this guy everything, but I think this guy's a lost cause He's obviously made up his mind. Why don't we just cut her losses and get out of here? Wow Wow, god damn that was that took forever. Oh, yeah, by the way, she has finished jay's video now So we're we're gonna be oh, yeah This goes a little further than our relevance video. Okay, we we jump locations I like you want to make the video on this and be like your major problem with this is you spend fucking 30 minutes Like jerking off about like something completely unrelated to like the actual substance of the video And then at the very end you finally get to the good stuff Actually, let's do a poll right now his own video. I what? She has no idea what she's talking about Let's do a poll Would you have watched this video if I hadn't streamed it? Now that's primed Because you fucking told them throughout this whole stream that this video is terrible that you would have quit They are primed. There's no way. This is a fair question to ask your fucking stream Yeah, but that happened 20 seconds ago. She already forgot what she said Okay, fair enough. Obviously I primed you guys and stuff. So like there is that one problem It's useless. All right. All right. Okay. There's that one. They're going to twitch because they want a curator They don't want to watch videos. They want to watch someone curate videos for them So they probably don't even get most of their content off of youtube, right? I This this is this is what the part she's just the point She's at and trying to justify all of this this view is out They desperately want a curator to find videos for them Man, he's how pathetic are you chat? This isn't true There's just a bunch of poor wretched sinners out there who need someone to lead them to the light and I will Feel when to show them away and all they have to do is give me all their possessions and cut their ties with their family I imagine most of the people who love watching Hassan and watch Hassan for multiple hours a day Don't when they end when Hassan ends streamer Hassan hasn't started stream yet They don't go to youtube and try and pick out videos that they think Hassan might I mean like Hassan literally tries to promote his youtube Through his twitch with highlights of his twitch to watch on youtube You follow? Like if there's no crossover then what the fuck is the point of that? Of course, there's crossover. It's crazy that she would be upset. It's just yes. That's not crossover The best thing you can do to grow your twitch channel is to have a big youtube channel Watch they just go watch other twitch streamers who do the same thing Personally, I'm still a huge youtube watcher Oh, well Well, well, I I don't think you you should have not fucking said that it's so funny She's like you want me to do advocating for this definitive important position that she doesn't follow Hey, you can see it's in my title. I'm gonna talk to the person who made oh, so this is stream 2 welcome bed still unmade That Hassan rant video The reaction con I don't like it's bothering me, you know Like it's just it's bothering me when you have guests over when you have company coming over Then you you make the bed and you sort of tidy up the house But this is gonna be this is a free rags Piece of the piece of this is a golden nugget that you could Keep in your mind space, right? Whenever you have people coming over whether it's a lady friend or a or a boy Or in any one of your homies or your parents, right? Don't clean it all the way, right clean it 80% of the way, right? So it's not perfect so that it looks organically clean You want to give the impression that it's always like this. I'm just a generally tidy clean person Not I have cleaned up so much. There is no way anyone would believe that the house is always In this kind of sterile state. No, no, no, no clean it 80% Like so no one complaints everyone's like, oh, hey, this is a really nice place But they could tell that you didn't necessarily go to insane degrees to have to clean because it's always clean and tidy. Okay So that's so like clean up the whole place, but like leave the bed for example Yeah, oh, yeah, but if they're coming into your bedroom Like if if you have potentially thousands of people staring into your bedroom Definitely don't make the bed. Just leave that shit wherever it was. Don't worry about it It's fine. What is pride in your work anyway? Oh, I don't know Content video and I'm gonna talk to him and I'm gonna be like I want to talk. I want to chat. I want to do the thing and I think uh, chud's gonna like host it or something You don't know So I Unfortunately was like I better watch everything up to the discussion with jay to make sure I don't miss any Like prep or context or anything that might come up Unfortunately for me that means I had to watch a denim stream And now you guys have to know why do you do this to the smaller? Don't worry. I've I've shortened it significantly And you'll understand why very quickly This is a new one you didn't even realize it was new And That's true I really got to make sure i'm giving a lot of commentaries Because jay could be watching right now Okay Oh boy, what if jay's watching you? You already did four minutes without saying anything other than oh, this is new. Yep right now No, you clean. No, what? Oh, that's not what you do Not you acknowledging that you're stealing is not unstealing I know such a such a such a chad moved to dug around jay on a react content day I know no, look i'm adding i'm adding quality and content Uh, you would have made your bed because i'm playing with wormy You just picked him up and set him down Why don't you bother Playing you're just You're literally there there are people out there who are like working jobs eight hours of fucking day So This is something i mentioned of i think once on the irrelevant one and a little bit earlier when we were covering the other stuff Guys, this is it. This is what it means to be a react streamer covering stuff like hell's kitchen and stuff like that This is this is the job And the thing is you got things to say you can talk about hell's kitchen I would know i've watched a lot of hell's kitchen. There's plenty of things to talk about You know that us three would fucking talk over the whole episode probably Absolutely We talk over every Sound effects otherwise Yeah Didn't they already do The challenge where they feed a bunch of people I'll bye beware. You know what? In hell's kitchen sometimes they do the same challenge, but they do it later You know they do that sometimes I thought that's what all chefs do you feed a lot of people Well, so the the format of hell's kitchen is uh, basically that uh, each episode will begin with a challenge of some sort The test some aspect of the contestants culinary skills Like certain when you get a certain style of food Yeah, yeah So it'll be like you need to replicate this based on only what you've tasted or you need to create something with only these ingredients Or you only have x amount of time to do something Uh, you you need to use certain ingredient and if you win then you get some really cool prize Like you get to go to a spa and if you lose you have to do some like menial work around The kitchen and then the second half of the episode will be The service where you get kind of the main content you're there for with hell's kitchen Which is gun ramsey yelling at contestants as he's trying to serve food And then you have uh, you have uh, the Elimination and then someone leaves or maybe there'll be a twist where they switch the teams. It's like Or who like bamboozle he'll be like, uh, I don't know Nicole back in line and then it's like no you actually the other person come here take off your jacket. You're out Um, that's hell's kitchen That is hell's kitchen pretty much for the last 20 years at this point So one of the chat was like wait, so this is the stuff she was saying people get annoyed that she pauses on it's like yes And yet they want us to believe they are watching it for her not for the tv That's master ship. No, it's hell's kitchen. So those are the two things they do it to Oh, yeah, right. Yeah They tried to do it with other tv shows and they got slapped but they're getting away with this one A bunch of people Will different chefs be judging different foods or something Oh, yeah, it's table side. I'm so pepegy What does that mean Is that a witch lingo? Is it zoomer speak? I know pepegy. I know pepega But I don't know pepegy. I don't know what that is Pepe, how do how do you spell it? Pepegy We got I don't pepegy is someone on twitch, but I I don't I don't know. I don't know what I don't know the zoomer speak. I don't understand these words Maybe dev could have saved us, but he's he's gone now. So we have to fight it alone What Well, yeah, like there's there's no confusion here, right? She's just stealing this Oh Nobody that's like so we're just pressing on right? Yeah Why why would you be like I have hives everywhere and I was so itchy You're you're speaking with food in your mouth Take pride in your work. What does that mean? Oh, she got some laughs dude, okay, okay, okay, okay um I think I'm rooting the most for ryan Right now. I think I'm rooting the most for ryan right now Yeah, this is what I mean So I remember there was a season I think it was season 12 the chef who won that season was called scott and I I remember in that season that that was kind of this It was almost a clutch victory because earlier on he wasn't particularly strong But as the season progressed, uh, he started to find more of a voice. He became more He he he just got a better understanding of what he needed to do to compete and And I guess if if I was watching that season, why would you not try to make more long-winded observation? I no not long-winded. Why wouldn't you try to make more thorough observations about what's going on instead of just I kind of want them to win. Why don't you talk about why? Why don't you talk about like what aspects of them as a chef are really interesting or strong Compared to the competitors. Why do you like the show? What about the format? Yeah, exactly. What would you like to see in the future? Because you know the appealing thing to me about hell's kitchen the reason why I like it a lot more than uh Uh, well, I mean, I like a lot of Gordon Ramsay's cooking shows But uh, the reason why I like hell's kitchen a lot more than master chef is because we get to see Them working on uh, the line which I think is uh more interesting than just To me personally more interesting than watching them just do the standard competition stuff with master chef But then again, I really like master chef Canada um Master chef Canada is really cool There's just so many things that you can talk about with these shows I know it's reality television, but there's you can you can you can talk more than this Especially since you this is your job This is what you do This is your life. I don't understand why you have nothing to contribute. I mean the chat is saying don't pause Uh, well, yeah, because I just want to watch the show That's it. Oh, yeah, that's the thing. Obviously. I've edited this in such a way that you ain't enjoying that episode Good luck with that. No No, we're not doing that. It was way too fast to to like appreciate it All right, she's still going Not only peeking but doing it while foods in your mouth just like oh this wonderful It's the the golden Yeah peeking food in your mouth mouth close to The microphone. Yeah, it's the golden triangle. It's like it's the poop triangle. It's the What's it's the Elephant's foot triangle. I don't know. What's what's an unwanted medal? Other than ours No, it's not I don't do that. Yeah, it was uh Unwanted what's a metal people don't like I don't know rusted metal lead. Yeah, it's it's the rusty Because a lead triangle. It's I don't know I She actually gave them a shot. They were like, yeah, I go for some shots Yeah, yeah, that's what we do in restaurants. Yeah, if yeah drinks or nothing give them drinks make them happy the point here is that uh Not only is her commentary limited but of what she gives it is vacuous Holy shit. Yeah, yeah, man. Even if it's like champagne sometimes or or Mimosas just give them just give them drinks to make them happy man drinks are fucking nothing The the profit returns on drinks are insane Especially alcohol. You can spare some to keep them happy Cots send them. You're not gonna give any offer any shots to chat, huh? Huh? Also the way they they drink that tequila like it was water, bro. That's How do you know bro? Just thinking about it like activates my gag reflex Yeah, so seriously if I caught this randomly, I'd be like why the fuck would I watch this person? There's no point Yeah I can just watch it Only getting in the way there is no point to her. Yeah, exactly and yet And then someone said yes, but more don't you sometimes feel in your day when you're a little tired that you can't be asked to Like next on the episode I'm like you are fucking joking, right? Oh, I guess I'll die Are straight women okay? That guy doesn't look like an average dude What? What's wrong with looking like an average dude so loud She's sipping so hard, dude. Maybe he's a good person you prick Imagine looking like an average dude nasty These are pretty successful chefs though that they're serving Oh, yeah, but some of them look average Oh, yeah, but I just like how are you not understanding that probably the reason why she's being so friendly is because These are people that she respects because they're world-class chefs Mm-hmm. An average looking dude bringing, come on Oh, no No Could you imagine if efab movies ran this way? Yeah guys we made a super cut and all the reactions were Yeah, but there you go It could you imagine like we're watching Shawshank redemption and then When Andy's like get busy living or get busy dying instead of having a full blown conversation about how meaningful that statement is Even everything that happens in the story and probably in life. Yeah, that we just said true And that and then we just played for like another 10 minutes And the next time that we speak is when he goes to the bank with all of the warden's money That's just like ha ha wow based pog champ. Could you imagine? Like whatever Zod said, where did you learn how to fight on a farm? Why was that guy like talking as if he was posting on twitter This oh my keyboard is awesome. Let me see I don't know this guy Oh, this this guy who's like super mad. You're this far into your stream. You realize your keyboard isn't even working Because she doesn't need it. He doesn't need As long as the monitor's on she don't give a Why was he no, he looks mad about it, dude Dude No, he doesn't he's mid blink. He looks mad. He's like, yeah It's not fair. Do you know what blinking is like damn? He's he's like he's got so much chatter energy He has like the twitter energy where it's like that's a whole new sentence or whatever Or whatever where it's like, oh Twitter's the only place where you can say I like pancakes and you'll get people saying like Oh, so you hate waffles like He ironically would say that that's what you would say She did that to jay. She did that to jay's video throughout the stream Jay said wouldn't it be good if pancakes were nice and you said fuck you I like waffles. It's one of those things man. I'm pretty good faith, all right. I'm like jay I'm just trying to picture myself because when I was watching twitch streams a lot back But just before I started streaming on twitch and stuff Um, the the value was in the commentary for a lot of game like like it's like oh, I like seeing them play maris sunshine Or whatever, but I'm only staying when it's the person who's adding to it that I'm interested in This I would like this is a fucking joke, right? Like it's so sad to think that this is what twitch is becoming That there's a decent amount of popular content that is Essentially there's this crap Just someone's with some finesse. He's like you think beef doesn't have finesse. It's like What? I mean, no, that's not what I Okay Okay, I have to pee though, so so now I I couldn't be asked to put you guys through any more of that that that is an experience of what history Is this gonna be is this is this is political commentary on twitch, isn't it though? I gotta go and i'm gonna play content from like a news organization So The idea is that she's not got long before speaking to jay at this point But there is something she needs to do box video. There is something she needs to go do so she's making sure chats Okay, I'll be right back. Okay chat All right, here you go. Here's some here's some fox By the way as a result of editing this Because I was gonna cut the second she comes back And I just like I'll let it play this video is quite interesting it it goes over what uh Just how much influence movie like creation and theaters had on each other as time has gone on in terms of how much control They have a distribution relationship. Yeah, uh, they sort of need each other, especially early on And she just steals it Did you get a copyright strike when you made this video? No, because obviously when you move it to this speed it doesn't count I guess you fucking obliterate If we did this on youtube we get struck immediately Absolutely. Oh, yes. If you do what she's doing. Yes, you get struck. This is what is happening right here Is a is a reupload of a video that was made by a different organization. Yep It's The editing A lot of people in chat are shitting on vox. It's like whatever you think of vox This is like a this is a this is a video like that's been edited and researched and they've talked to people They've done they've done work here. Yeah, it's edited and it's formatted and there's a script this this shit ain't free You know like they had to pay someone to do this That's a pace someone to do the research and the writing that's We've covered vox before they've said stupid things and we've responded to them But you still give them the basic respect we afford to literally everyone including denims which is to Take them point by point and pay attention and take them seriously on what they're saying instead of just stealing their stuff And usually when your time out vox sucking it's political content. This is unrelated to politics Well enough we've covered some of their media stuff that was bad Seems to be uh About media. Yeah, this is about um, this video like I said Like a pinion though. It's it's just like a history or something. Yeah Yeah, it's it would be hard for this video to be bad as long as they're doing the basic stuff of research and present presentation Um, I think currently from wrong chat But it was a efap like 10 or 11 where we covered a vox video that said the x-men universe has the best continuity out of all universes Holy crap It's pretty funny. How do you say that? Especially back then dude. That's like 2018. They said that Yeah, because I only got worse Man look at that Let's finish the video Six minutes played without her there. So six out of seven It's such a fucking joke. Oh, I don't know how his son does it where he washes the videos on his phone You ready for a Freudian slip here it comes. Oh boy. Oh, he's gone. I don't not do that shit, bro I'm gonna be honest. I do not do that shit. That is smart though. That is smart I should start pretending like I do that or actually start doing it, dude I should start pretending like I do that interesting Interesting, you know why she said that right so that she has the excuse. It's like no, I watched it. Yeah I told her yeah Unfortunately now I kind of can't believe whether if you say it doesn't even matter But like if you if you did how am I meant to know that that wasn't you pretending I love it. No, it's that it brings us too slow to stop it from saying the the stupid oddest thing No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, it's gone. Oh, fuck Notice here for the little vox animation The what are the arms made out of the arms and made out of theater? Yeah That's kind of neat to shame that they're not going to get reimbursed in any way She linked the channel or the video as well Well, so the reason why this is I think is annoying me a bit is because you know how like a lot of people who Like do what denim stars will talk about man mainstream media worthless not like me The online political commentator But then they get so much of their content from cnn and fox and stuff Like they get so much of their content from these news organizations That actually do the reporting and get the footage and get the people that they need to speak to It's got a kind of comfort somewhere stream and talk about how great they are Even though they wouldn't be able to do the work that they do without this It's kind of annoying. Yeah, it's like shooting on the electric company Like the band Uh, if they want never but the people who provide electricity to your home. I mean But oh those lowly work Don't they know that i'm a twitch streamer and they just provide people like Fuck them. They probably don't even work eight hours a day like I do Oh imagine What seemed to be the next time? Can you please just end the stream? Can you please just end the stream their most powerful? Man, you know what I was so good faith not like jay so bad Again, that was one of what it's like six suggestions from jay But no, we'll we'll make fun of that one because it's apparently the most absurd one only enough Fuck it, whatever So here we are chud logic is hosting jay and denims and they're going to have a conversation now I cut out a lot of this, uh, but I have kept very interesting parts Friendly conversation, which is a derivative change of pace for this channel. So that's good. Um This is the first time I'd seen someone leave during a react stream and that was crazy to me having seen like You know having never seen them before was like, what the fuck? Yeah Yeah, no, I completely understand and I'm very sympathetic to your positions. I'm very You bitch That doesn't feel very honest Act stabbing Damn, it makes me angry We're so the the thought that comes to mind is a good old quote from star wars episode three revenge of the sif from Anarchy Skywalker Well, I didn't I was gonna leave it up to people's imaginations, but She's a sif. Okay, it's clear. She's fucking sif enough. She's pal petite I understand why you chat against me Jay just said when I saw that someone had left their chair like that was crazy to me and she was like, oh, yeah Yeah, yeah, totally. I completely understand. Let's compare That statement had the position that you did. He doesn't give a shit about even pretending that he's contributing anything here But even when he's in the room, he's no stranger to just streaming other people's content with his own face in the corner Now any content creator he does this too could be entirely okay with it But I know from personal experience that he definitely doesn't bother to check now This certainly isn't the only thing he does Hell, it's not even the only kind of reaction content that he does But it is something that he does pretty often. So Let's talk about it. It's also very much. I'm say something. Thank you. This is coming off really salty I'm waiting for him to finish his point before I go any further because I have so many opinions And I'm trying to hold them so so he can finish his point Because I am mulch and coping and mulch and cope and mulch So that doesn't sound like you agree at all. Actually It sounds like you're angry sounds like you're not very sympathetic to that position actually Because like before the stream, that's what she was doing Yeah, of course you hopped on to that. That's what got me upset of him But even suggesting that it's strange to leave but then tells him to his face. Oh, I agree with you I totally totally Are we in the debate where I need? Oh, yeah, I I agree I was doing that right before I came on mocking you as I did it, but oh, I definitely agree line, bitch No, I completely understand and I'm very sympathetic to your position and stuff like I understand why you had the position Snake snake we agree on the positions because like I think You were talking about the um, I was not expecting that. Yeah, I honestly I thought maybe there would be more Back Even the video like by the time I finished the video I was like, huh, like I should really be more careful and like I should try not to watch content Uh on my stream is filler content She just did like 10 seconds ago Not only is she still doing it moments before she said that But I don't remember her saying that at the end of finishing jay's video. Let's go see what she actually said So I think that it was I'm glad to hear Wow Wow, god damn that was that took forever. Oh my god, did you enjoy that video? Because he has a he has a patron named jabeen Wow, wow, you're literally skipping the credits Well now that I don't have to watch that video on their youtube channel way to steal their views Yeah, I'm so sorry. I stole 400 views from them now instead of having 50,000 views. They're only gonna have 49,000 I'm a fucking monster. Hey man, no snowflake things that's responsible for him. Put their channel name on screen put it on screen Put it show the channel name Denims Yeah, dude. I hope you want to make a video on this That was her reaction to the end of the video not oh man I need to introspect about when I steal people's content. No, it was I'm gonna make a video on this Yeah, it was fuck you man seems like she's lying to jay a lot Geez in the video like by the time I finished the video I was like, huh Like I should really be more careful and like I should try not to watch content On my stream is filler content You know what I mean? So I think that One argument is just sitting there. You know, oh, yeah, he's slab of the table. You fucking lie And then he pulls up his little notebook and it's got all of the references You to answer first. It's not people someone the chat said x it's not x. It's it's uh, it's not x. It's um, it's it's y Yeah, for lie. We're not doubting. We're just calling her a liar Yeah, this is not a press x to doubt moment here I'm glad to hear One argument that Assan makes and I don't need to answer for Assan's points But it's just interesting just to you know generate a bit of chat about overly But like this idea that someone streams for a long time in a day Therefore they're justified in using filler content. Like what what what are our thoughts on that sort of point? That's stupid. It's dumb Man Wow, wow, that sounds like such a very different position from what you were espousing in your initial reaction That's just a fucking lie like oh shit. I need to get out of here And also inconsistent with what you did in the stream prior to this conversation where you played it Uh, when you left and then you played that vox video for six out of the seven minutes That it was its length like have we ever come across an example and across all of efab? We're so definitively bit like you fucking liar. You are just lying. It's not your bald face It's just bald like it's honesty. Hey, there's no other way around it Streamers are not incentivized to pause the videos while they're gone because When you fucking leave your commuter you can see any big streamer talk about this Amaranth has talked about this Hasan has talked about this. I can tell you from personal experience This is true when you pause the video literally you can I have had times where I pause the video or like I unpause it or whatever And I go literally for five minutes not never longer than fucking five minutes to go get to go get food because I'm fucking hungry And I will lose like A quarter of my audience, you know and like Maybe for like Hasan Hasan is like a big enough streamer that it doesn't really matter and he can just pause the video And that's fine But like this is still like people's like income or whatever like this is still people's like jobs or whatever Whatever not only so is the shit that you stole not only does she completely Disagree with the the fucking thing she just said in the interview or discussion whatever She even says here That it's about it's about your livelihood Like so it's important, but no now it's silly Like can you fucking settle on a position, please? It's like the equivalent of like, you know, like Like ad block for youtubers, you know what I mean? What are our thoughts on that sort of point? Wait a minute. Why does she think ad block for youtubers is bad? Um, they don't make money from ads. I mean Right. Oh wait, you you're gonna draw Uh, why does she think it's yet for some reason playing their content for free? So they make no money from ads on your platform Is excluded from that? No, they don't even get the ad from you watching it and stealing it At least what someone has an ad blocker they get the view it still helps in the outlook She's getting money at that point. So it's okay Oh my god, I kind of counter balances, you know, why did she agree to this? Conversation if she's not going to defend anything she said because she's stupid I don't go into the usage when I saw I was listening to this live And I was like you are not fucking serious that she actually lied If threw a teeth to jay and jay has not got the quotes to be able to push back because if it were my debate with her I would have been reading these out to her and being like so you don't believe this anymore You don't believe this anymore And then I would have been like you take your fucking stream down and apologize for all of the bullshit That you said if you think that now this is this is all you agree with all of my positions But of course jay's jay's a really nice person So jay's just like oh you agree with me now. That's neat Mm-hmm. What was jay aware of her previous stream on this? Uh, I think when jay had done this he genuinely took this as denims being like I've changed my mind Okay, and then I said to jay she fucking lied to you, man Like it's it's just a lie. I need a little like spiteful mall or on jay's shoulder like jay Here's all the facts don't let her get away with some fucking bullshit Well, here's here's some objectivity for you I'm assuming this is what rags are referring to. It's like sometimes it's like maybe you were too nice, man. I don't know Like you let someone get away with a bunch of bullshit Luckily the little devil on your shoulder was like I'm gonna go make a fucking video I'll be back jay. Yeah. Well, this is why we're here. Very well, but I'll do it Dude, this all this all existed right? But now when you get someone to put it together and show someone in the chronological order, it's like Oh, wow. She's a piece of shit Yeah, I know Oh, damn And the funny thing it gets worse Oh, no, it's stupid. It's dumb This is still like people's like income or whatever like this is still people's like jobs or whatever It's like the equivalent of like, you know, like Like ad block for youtubers, you know what I mean? So I've taken like polls in my community and like the majority By the way, the ad block conversation is its own thing And we can have that later that it's a separate issue, you know, that that's it's a whole it's a whole another Similar but different animal and I know she's not ready for a conversation about ad block She ain't ready for that People said that they literally wouldn't watch hell's kitchen unless I was trimming it And it doesn't necessarily mean that I'm reacting hard enough You know, I'm sure if you click on a random part in the video, I might not be saying anything sure whatever You Absolutely fuck you because I might not be saying anything when you literally leave It's the same reason you watch shows with your friends you want to watch it with other people Right and actually this is I think maybe my only disagreement that you had jay The only only disagreement So maybe we'll get a little bit of blood sports. I don't think people would watch I don't think you're missing viewership Because a streamer streams it especially when it's like I've I tried to do some polling to the best of my ability Obviously because I only have like whatever small audience and I only have so many people that I can I can poll So sample size is a little fucked, but I think when it comes to streamers on twitch A lot of people go to watch streamers on twitch for their react content almost as a curator So they don't actually want to go through youtube themselves and watch a bunch of videos And they probably never will go through you just come but I remember listening to this I was like you are not fucking serious right now. You're arguing to jay They need you to cycle youtube videos in they need that Man, she's desperate to be very important youtube and click a bunch of videos Um, they like I provide a service Poor jay having to sit there and listen to this as though it's like a real argument Because they like to have it as like this streamer is curating fun content that I want to watch So like the youtube algorithm, right? You know what that like that? The whole point of it is that it puts like youtube videos on your home page that you're going to enjoy So what is the what's the difference there? What's that? What is that twitch streamer providing that the audience member couldn't get for themselves by literally just going to youtube So I think the videos that field of them. So I agree with this opinion I thought you're it was actually really funny because you were about to say like You were about to give the video games example and explain why and I had already said it on my stream Because when a streamer is playing a video game You still have the ability to play the game yourself and video games are not necessarily always linear and there's lots of stuff that you Anyone else really lost with where she's going Yeah, I'm like, what are we doing? It's like jay you were wrong This is a thing and then jay's like, oh well youtube does that anyway and she's like no, I agree I agree completely now talk about video You're going to talk about the video game example that I addressed on stream And then proceeds to explain what it is exactly it's like Okay, you can do yourself and then there's also the aspect of like skill and so video games I think are great or whatever, but I think the more important part or whatever was the like you can't there's no point of watching something a second time You already watched it. Maybe what if you're where are you going? What is this? Why are we talking about the fucking history of the pebble of peloponnesian war here? What's going on? She she wandered off like twice She wandered onto something that wasn't important when she was done with it. She wandered onto something else. This is like What Crazy, I feel like jay at this point would have just been like I feel like I've missed the point I don't know But can you answer the question You're watching it with some other people or something or it's been a long time You might rewatch the video, but once you watch the video one place It's pretty unlikely that you're going to go back and watch it again So I understand this perspective And this is just my opinion. I think that like People who are watching content on twitch curated twitch content on twitch Aren't necessarily people that would be watching content on youtube She used to say they wouldn't now. She's saying they aren't necessarily people which is like true Because you can't beat that she said she's one of those people. Yeah, and then who knows what else is coming next You never know. I almost think it keeps on streamed on youtube I would agree with you It's possible that it's on watching my content hurt me and it's possible that like I've missed out on this or whatever. Um, I just I just disagree. I think I don't I don't think that you are I I don't think that and maybe maybe I'm this is my opinion because I'm a react streamer or whatever But I'm not sure most honest thing. She said in a long time Maybe I only agree with this because I am also Hasan. It's like, yeah You gotta validate the guy on top so that everyone beneath him is sort of yeah I I can only go based on the polls that I took It doesn't feel like people who watch content on twitch necessarily would watch that content on youtube Personally, I'm really huge youtube watcher I just don't I disagree with your opinion on this but I don't what part of that What part of that to disagree with I feel like I just went through it all like step by step Well, what part do you think that I am missing that? No You say a bunch of bullshit for ages and jay is like, I don't understand where you disagree that she's like Where do you think I'm missing something? What the fuck did she agree to talk to jay? I don't I don't actually understand the point of this other than I think she wanted to try and come across as like hyper reasonable I don't understand Wait, how is she further away from her backpack than when she started? No, she's not oh, that's to the backpack. Okay. Yeah, that's to that She made three dollars since then since that stream the original someone heard this and they took their money back. They're like, no Like it. I don't want her out in public streaming I want her next to her roommate bed I'm because I mean I just went through like I I lined out the argument from like a to b to c to d And and then always I was like your opinion is the the opposite. I just I don't If there's overlap and they catch it on the streamer's Channel first before they catch the actual youtube video, then they're probably not going to watch the youtube video, right? Sure, but I already agreed with this I just don't know if Hassan rebooting my work even impacted me negatively I'm sure you guys remember this And if it did what Jay just said was the negative comes in when Hassan viewing it takes away views on my youtube And then she says yeah, I never disagreed with that. I don't know how severely I just don't have access to that kind of information. This one is Jay saying. I'm not sure if there's a negative I can't know that and now look at her reaction How would it impact? How would it impact you negatively? the fog Sure, I but I already agreed with this huh If you're on twitch see here's my point. There's my point about like how like I think youtube reacts to oh Well, we'll notice here the bed is on the right and in the debate the bed is on the left Oh my god These are two different p this is the mirror universe version of her taking over Who didn't remember all the things that the other version said? That's why that explains it all it's all coming together. You see it does make sense after all Ha this streamer does have good writing Boom curious how how she would deal with seeing herself present opinions that contradict so close to each other Like I wonder if she would see that and be like those on me. They're not me. I don't know what I don't know how she'd CGI I YouTube content is probably it can be negative But like if you're already on twitch, you're not even on youtube. You know what I mean? So you were never if it was youtube it would be a negative But if it's a son on twitch and you on youtube then it's not even though she agrees that it is Don't worry about it. If they're on a different platform. It's fine for them to just take that shit video Like the people who are watching his son watch videos would have never found those videos otherwise. How do you know? Sure I'm getting a little confused here guys. I don't understand what I pointed anymore. I already agree with this Oh, okay, then i'm confused because I It sounded to me like you you were saying the opposite True yes, yes, she was it's not it did sound like she said that that is what she said The time the reason that they go and watch reactioners is because they don't want to have to do the effort of going and scrolling through youtube And clicking on recommend it's they I can't I can't deal with this shit It's so stupid. Like I have to click my my all my moving my arm the click is just I'm desperate to show that I provide some service Please. Oh, I'm definitely earning my my folly. I can't That's so embarrassing if you're saying that my job description is to save people Clicking and moving their wrists, you know an inch and it's insulting to your audience Totally as they should not be happy that she's making this. They don't know what they want But I know what they want of going and scrolling through youtube and clicking on recommend it's they want a streamer Yeah, like I mean you have you ever scroll through youtube for a while and not found a single video that you want to watch Really? um Yeah, yeah, okay. Well, um, listen, thank you both for coming on and that's it because she doesn't disagree with anything else She just concedes everything. She's like, oh, I already agree Get out of here. Get out of here. Get back to my own check. Um, don't worry about I suppose it's not blood sports. I'm sure Abandoned video. It's trashed. This is like not good, dude. This is not good Um, yeah, just that was that was me throwing in a clip of what she'd said about that video But compared to now, which is just like, oh, I agree with you. Yeah, because remember not good that that most of it was Just worthless and it was only the last couple of minutes. I had anything worthwhile to say um, you were mad Um, and Salty she described all the comments were funny As from idiots that jay should never have chosen whilst also echoing all of their criticisms And also jay is stupid for not understanding what hassan meant when he said that really dumb thing about the two toilets Yep And so, yeah, that's that's my opinion. I don't I don't think it was a very uh controversial opinion People had a good time anyway. Okay, and um, I'll uh, I'm gonna gonna bounce. I'll catch you later. Okay. All right. Bye Hey, my boy. Thanks. Bye. Bye I think he seemed to get a little bit lost in the sauce. How long was their conversation like I want to say half hour 40 minutes something like that Um, but a lot of it was just really short like semantically just getting around Some small thing and then being like oh, so we agree. Yes It was just like pointless. We agree move. Yeah, move on. See the main things I want to highlight was that she felt back on basically all of her opinions Jesus, but Will she go back on them again? Oh, no. Oh my goodness gracious Not over Because the reason I know this information is because for a while. I literally didn't understand why people watched me Which is fair You know what I mean? Like I'm very hard on myself. It's because you're pretty so I You're hard on yourself and you're hard on your content. No, you're not I refuse to agree You are not you don't how can you be hard on yourself and hard on your content when you don't know what the fuck having pride in Your work means What does it even mean to be hard on yourself if there's no reason to be proud or uh ashamed of any of your work She spent the majority of the episode that she was watching that we saw just having her day's meal and drink It's like oh, yes, just top notch content in your own field Fox while I go poo Yeah, it's tough hard understand why people watched What does take pride in your work mean? I don't know. Oh, it's the thing Okay, cool. I'm I'm probably gonna make a video about this. It's like way more Compact because I actually have a lot of opinions about it. And I feel a lot more like Cool about making the video knowing that he agrees with the answer No Fringy It's not that she agrees with him He agreed with her if you listen to that wording Cool about making the video knowing that he agrees Please god tell me that she's not gonna she spent the whole Debate in finger quotes agreeing with j and now she's gonna make a video where she said cj agrees with me He was full of shit in his original video. I don't think it's that bad, but it ain't good okay Cool about making the video knowing that he agrees with me on so many of the opinions Also, I was trying to like make a distinction between Reasons people do things and whether or not they're moral I don't think it's moral that a streamer is stealing views and doing nothing But I think that you just justified it every turn and she literally said They have to do it for the sake of their own bank accounts and that's their livelihood and that's important But you're telling me it's immoral to do that but you're telling me why they do it You're like so I don't give a fuck if that's all you're trying to bring it up for I can tell you why people murder. I doesn't justify it Do that because Or sorry, sorry, sorry, I don't think it actually adds any value for a streamer to be a curator of sorts However, it doesn't change the fact that people watch streams because their favorite streamer is a curator You can't what would you do if you came to the realization That your role on the internet your job what you do Doesn't have any value I feel like that'd be a very That'd be quite the come to jesus moment in your mind. That would that would be a big Kind of a big weighty thing for you to have to deal with Um funny you highlight that because it's not even like isn't it if I heard like Yourself or free or search say You know my what I do has no value I would be like picking up immediately because it less so to be like No, yes, it does. I should be like wow you think that about the stuff that you're doing exactly I'd be like what happened. Are you okay? Like that didn't even register to me that she because like who's saying that? I'm like, yeah, of course you find no value in what you do It's like oh That's just normal to me at this point that she would say that just this acceptance that she doesn't provide anything of value, but she just carries on because money or the fame of being a streamer or She's comfy here with her fucking unmade bed and she can still rake in cash I the unwillingness to do real work then I don't know. I'd feel bad if what I do didn't provide any value That definitely did I would worry me. I'd be like, what am I doing with my life? Very little comfort in that Yeah, it is not a cathartic way to experience one's existence Can't listen to chat chat doesn't even know what the fuck they want. Okay. I don't need to mean to chat Chat does not know what they want. Okay So yeah, like there's plenty of times I don't know why everyone was feigning ignorance as if like the algorithm always pushes you really good content That you're always not what jay said They said you ask j Uh, have you ever scrolled through all of youtube recommended and not found a single video that works for you? And jay was like no Which is not the same as oh, so they always provide like all the videos that recommended a good for you. It's like no That is that that is not what we call a good faith interpretation of what was said Got it you're fucking around with it. That is so yeah, like there's plenty of times I don't know why everyone was feigning ignorance as if like the algorithm always pushes you really good content That you'll always love it's like Yeah, like I mean You have you ever scrolled through youtube for a while and not found a single video that you want to watch Really? Really I mean though she's like And it just makes a video Editing it's great I do want to say that while I didn't like the video She made her bed. She did make the bed. She made her bed. She made her bed Harassment towards jay at all. So please be cool. Don't do that. I agree with denims. No harassment going towards any of these people They all stupid yeah, don't harass them They let them be they already live a valueless existence. There's no reason to go anywhere nothing else you could do Yeah, thank you. Okay, cool. So why did I hate the majority of this video two primary reasons A the content looked incredibly spite driven with terrible optics b the content was repetitive So the main gripes for the video spite driven I believe and it was boring Wow, this is probably a pretty good video then if that's all you got Wait, this is she's making this video after she talked to jay. Yeah, right and and said I don't disagree with you on anything substantive except the point about uh Whatever the fuck they talked about briefly where jay got really confused long boring and took way too long to get to the point section jay's video Even if it wasn't up until the final section of the video the majority of it is just jay talking about how much he Absolutely disliked as son using his content as filler content filler content in this context Meaning content that's being used for when a streamer is eating or is going to be walking away from the stream and not not going to be there jay talks about these frustrations in The most deranged manner in my the most deranged manner. So this is probably the best time to say What what was it worth it jay? The most deranged jay. Yeah, you're These people don't deserve it. They don't deserve it They don't deserve it jay has been described as most deranged White driven and most deranged. There is none other More deranged than jay. He is the apex deranged Nice Tumble exhibit feel like it's gotta be like uh, I don't know like someone who has a disability or something, right? Um, I'm not sure what part of this messy weird house has made his son conclude. Hmm. Yes only a disabled could have caused this Sounds like Like I'm not even sure if he means mental or physical with the fuck you talking about What's the disability that makes you go? I need to install a toilet next to my fucking So the frustrating part for me here is that jay doesn't even try to give an ounce of charitability apparently So this is I don't even know how because jay was exceedingly charitable and you weren't Exactly she's been horribly bad faith to jay throughout all of it. He's been a nasty woman And she could have said jay, I felt you were not being charitable to his son in your video Why didn't you bring it up at the conversation? Oh, I think they actually do talk about the the disabled comment briefly But the fact is all that happens is jay just does what I've done in this video It's like so he said the thing and she's like, oh, yeah, but yeah Oh, I think she actually pulls the card that uh, he was responding to one in chat and jay said well Uh, that definitely wasn't clear with the context But maybe and I'm like, I'm not willing to say maybe I'm almost certain that from the context You can tell that Hassan was not responding to chat He was just saying it right as an example of like who he believes probably lived there because he's an idiot Hassan had come back to stream and seen chat Making assumptions about the homeowner because the house was so messy to which he proceeded to say It's possible that the homeowner could be disabled Really hitching her wagon of this argument. Yeah, she's tried this so many times Just so I can watch it run but each to their own a Very not I feel like it's it's gotta be like uh, it's gotta be I don't know like someone who has a disability or something right like it doesn't make any sense And I don't really think it's a controversial opinion at all Like all this shit she keeps adding to what he said is so annoying It's like even saying any of the shit that you're adding stop it The thing that someone who's physically disabled wouldn't have the same abilities to keep their house clean And I also don't think it's too controversial to say that someone with So here we're seeing the uh the the limitations of Recording yourself when you're like right next to the microphone The microphone is in front of you. Yeah, what's your in full? Yeah, why bother Like your your face is covered your mouth a very important part of your body when speaking is covered up by a microphone That you feel needs to be that close to your face when it really doesn't get that close to you Yeah, you've Gone through all this effort to put this stuff on your face to make you look very pretty in your hair and all that stuff And then you cover up your mouth with a microphone. Why what are you doing? What are you doing here? I don't know. That's how you use it. I'm pretty sure I well because if you had it further away, you wouldn't have to talk in a tone That is so low that it comes across as incredibly unnatural Yeah, this sounds like a person speaking quietly. That is then after the fact bumped up in volume Doesn't sound natural guys. I'm I'm fringy. Welcome to I'm talking about today I'm going to be talking about like this video made by gents like that's not my voice You know, that's not that's not the that's not the volume that I speak at normally But it sounds really awkward. It's like you're just making it harder for yourself Move away from the microphone and just speak a little bit louder. Yeah Don't be so don't try and be so performative that it takes away from A natural way Yeah We haven't talked about it, but we've talked about it before you get rid of all the All those sounds when you move further away from the microphone Do it all the time in editing. I'm like, oh, I kind of smack my lips or whatever here I need to go back and re-shoot that little tittle of the recording Because that is annoying and plus I don't want to look like a hypocrite The same motivations to clean their house as someone who would be neurotypical But instead of extending Sorry, what what is that? It's neurotypical neurodivergent, right? These are the Yeah Why why why are these the terms now because implying that someone isn't normal is offensive? We have to come up special Neuro so it's neurodivergent is okay, right these typical and atypical is like normal abnormal Well atypical exactly divergent means not normal It means that it diverges from the mean Yeah So I don't I don't know that there's any way that you can have a term that describes something that is atypical Without it necessarily describing it as atypical The fact that you need to categorize it as something in and of itself means that it's All right, whatever shimbo like me could think of jay instead Just assumes that hassan is being ableist for really asking that the homeowner Well, I mean you would know what it you would know what it means to assume things right like when you assumed This was all bad faith and spike driven and and and the like you just said It is a bad move to have just assumed that hassan was being ableist. Can you think of anybody who assumed anybody was being ableist? No, I can't think of it And it was evident the moment that like hassan said that like it's possible This person has a disability instead of saying like oh like this could be true You make fun of him for it or something like which is very strange and also like low-key kind of ableist of you But this isn't the only time jay does this this happens a few times in the videos jay apparently Decided to do a stream sort of mocking or satirizing Hissan's reaction to his video Previewed here. Yeah, is it be similar to jack's films. I went live to satirize You're just putting it across the whole video If we start at the entrance you're greeted by a minion's brand doormat that's really no home is complete without sure But I think we might have found the toilet soda culprit here I know that jay actually has valid points and wants something that's actually actionable However, the first time I watched this all I could think Holy fuck. This is so incredibly cringe It wasn't cringe when hassan did it but What at what point does it become cringe? I think it's literally the fucking cobbled pizza. She finds too cringe. I just don't even get it It's just funny It's absurd. It's funny I thought she was criticizing jay for being ableist in this segment No, the reason this segment is playing is a different reason. She just took the big Time to just describe everything jay did is cringe Then if you remember criticisms of morons who spend five minutes of their life typing a hate comment to you How about just telling him not to do that instead of pulling this cringe shit? Incredibly cringe morons I have been known to dabble in some hassan youtube cringe and this Bucker i'm a cringe connoisseur so Much he will spend two hours on a 10 minute video Man two hours in a 10 minute video That'd be crazy That would be crazy Is that it's you by the way that's her exaggerated like metric, you know Like he could go as far We just said you're like oh hours Feels like jay was just frustrated That their video didn't elicit an excited and fun response. That's got nothing to do Never what jay's point was but okay out of hassan and that's why he made the video Even though jay states that they made the video for entirely different reasons the other big She knows the true reason part of this video that feels incredibly spite driven lacking Charitability and super low effort is what i would like to call the reading youtube comments section So let's talk about that first point. Yeah, what was that? I don't know what that was. This is our edited video This is what people do when you this is it's just edits for their own sake I guess does she think that like everybody in the audience would be like, oh my god, he read comments Oh, wow. Oh my goodness gracious. I hope he don't no more. No more. I can't look Reading comments It tastes awful And why jay has decided to take any youtube commentators seriously listen, okay I Do not care about youtube. Hey comments if you are We will find out about that In two seconds writing a youtube comment about why you dislike someone or something so much I do not value or respect your opinion. It's okay. We make a video though Wow Yeah, you can make a whole video and edit it. That's fine, but to type something out in a comment section Ugh, I don't care. That's that would be the weird thing to do the video thing is the normal thing to do Oh, yeah, but type just typing out something with your keyboard that they remembered to plug on That that's I guess it's funny. What if Hassan typed in the comment saying wow, this is pretty bad video denims I might have believed that you don't you wouldn't care about that. Oh, I don't care. It's a youtube comment Well, if she said if you spend more than five seconds writing a hate comment So as long as you wrote that in under five seconds, you'll be fine Okay, right Every single sigma. I know does not spend their time Writing hate comments on youtube videos. They simply move on with their life and do things that they They move on with their life like you did Hmm you moved on but remember it's just jay who's chasing clout and stirring up drama and he wouldn't let it go unlike me I have a very principled interest in all of this stuff So speaking of straw man here the point I guess we have to explain this to denim because she's very stupid the entire point Of jay getting those comments and talking about them was that these were the common arguments That everyone was making and he was just using the comments as a vehicle to explore those Arguments has nothing to do with just saying oh, I'm reading all the comments and getting triggered He said she don't be perfect as if she was in this call and she said literally who was making those arguments Literally you well, ma'am It's it's priceless that she described them all as morons when she had made most of their comments It is priceless add one more quick point of contention This is unironically what most people dislike so much about his son He will get stun locked on shitters in chat for absolutely No, in our experience he gets stun locked on people pointing out criticism that he desperately tries to cover up And he does a really shit job and ends up banning them Yeah, yeah, because I mean it's not it can be funny when someone's really witty and they're correct And someone in chat says something stupid and they want to jump down their throat that can be Correct. That's the double way Yeah, like when it's someone says something true and he's like, oh, hey, look you've been subbed for 11 months Fuck you you working class Andy or something. It's like wow So you got really mad over something that was pretty innocuous Um, you betrayed your principal by shitting on someone because that's not sure how many people are familiar with that quote I can't remember where the quote comes from but it's keep hating your life working class Andy It's a very interesting thing to say as a purported socialist, but I but Well, remember that remember we had that quote I remember when uh, someone in his chat is like, dude, I work in retail and you're saying all retail workers hate their lives I do not hate my life and then it's on bansum yeah, like Banned for not hating his life, you know what? No, I mean that you don't want that's that's pretty sigma right getting really mad It's something that in one of his chat has said and they're batting them and yelling at them We no reason and it is so agonizing Do you want to know why it's agonizing because those people aren't worth the time What you well depends if they say something that's correct If they say something that's correct it might be worth hating their advice I mean, why can't you just expand this to everyone you disagree with isn't worth the time You could if you wanted to of course, she's with the time a youtube comment is literally what the line is Apparently it's a whole video about it. You could make a stream responding to that person But if that person is a youtube commenter who's commenting to you directly about your work, then you Ignore it. Well, I mean, it's just funny because you can get you can really get some pearls Like of course you could get plenty of comments that are just pretty stupid and worthless, but you can get comments that are super interesting Yeah Absolutely Yeah, because depending on the topic and depending on someone's level of expertise and chat They're not a youtuber But it doesn't mean that their opinions are worthless because I may have insights into something that you're just not familiar with And you you know, like I guess obviously if if reading comments just degrade your mental health That it's probably worthwhile not to do that But if you can go yeah, this might not be the career for you Well, it's just you can ignore the instantiated stupid comments Well as someone like you you can just get valuable information from someone in a comment section it happens not often but sometimes um It's funny. We're mentioning so much about this because you know It would be nice to look at maybe the comments on her video about jay now I say this because i'm gonna ask you all Don't go look there is a section in this video that will address all of that and it is quite Oh, we don't want spoilers. No spoilers No spoilers in this three. They are never worth it now to my next never worth it never It absolutely boggles my mind that jay decided to react to youtube comments and not even attempt to try and steel Man any of them exhibit a i'm not the biggest to saan fan But I feel a lot of streamers just watch random videos to react to while they eat So I don't feel like it's that bad that he does this everyone's doing it. So it's okay That's what they say. Yeah, I think it's bad that everyone's doing this But also this is literally just an appeal to popularity fallacy. Um Next nailed it. Yeah, that's what the comment said That that that is what the comment said if the comment was trying to say anything else They fucked up royally old at that. Yeah, they managed to almost perfectly make exactly what jay had mentioned Instead of making an actual attempt to try and engage with this comment Then you do it instead. Tell me what they mean. She did earlier. Remember she was like, oh, what they mean is that the streamer does this because they need to eat And it's like we'll know because the way that the argument is formed. It's that a lot of streamers are doing it So I don't feel like it's bad that he does this Worst way possible Any person who attempted for even a moment would realize that this person is probably saying A lot of streamers have downtime where they need to eat or use the restroom to play videos to retain viewers I think calling out hassan specifically Yeah, this is a new argument Something because I already see where it's going where they're like Oh, you know, why are you calling out hassan specifically instead of broadly so hassan did it So that's the reason why he's been called out specifically, but also jay does attack the broader trend Well, yeah, so the argument she's actually bringing up right now is something that jay does address later But the thing is this one's been made by hassan are relevant and denims the idea that loads of people are doing it Of course jay has to address it and the simple answer is I don't fucking care how many people are doing it. It's wrong I Will react content on some level seems to come off as spite driven instead jay takes this straw man For no reason straw man. It's the literal interpretation. Are you supposed to do with that? And so yeah, if that's not where your point is be a better commenter back to point a Why are you spending any time at all on youtube comments? If you're not even gonna try and glean something of value from them because you already told me There's nothing of value in them. They're not worthy Yeah, you really said There's nothing in them Fool's errand the fuck Teddoms It's this every seriously getting two statements from dentists that don't quite match up. What in the world? I'd see Atmola, she doesn't know what words mean look at the state of chat right now It's been a tough one chat you haggard there Action I would like to show you guys Jay's Alternatives to using filler content that somebody else made Well, yeah, there are plenty of other ways to take downtime Which isn't something presenting as filler content someone made that and it was probably pretty important to them It wasn't filler in their world well, so She's like to use it as filler content is kind of what she's referencing, which is annoying as fuck Something I should have to explain to anyone if you're a streamer and you reach a point in your stream Where you feel that for whatever reason you're unable to fully entertain your audience by yourself There are a few things you can try bring on a guest who can do most of the talking while you're away This highway code applies to England Scotland and Wales The highway code is essential reading for everyone play something made by a creator who you know Is happy for their content to be used in this way play your own streams or content Just fucking end the stream holy shit now listen I actually respect the first two statements If you know, you're going to be away from the stream for more than a few minutes You probably could bring on a guest or you could get pre-planned pre-approved filler content However, I don't know why Jay tacked on a point about ending stream as if any streamer would ever do that Because you don't deserve money if you're not working there She said as if any streamer would ever do that We have ended stream before because one of the three of us is desperate to eat something to go to sleep or is completely exhausted That is something that's happened before it is not a moment where I go Why we end you know the three of us can go and get our food or go to sleep or whatever I'll just play some j-videos and it'll be fine because fucking end stream. What are you? What are you crazy? It's crazy Just give me money for not working Care about principles and morals and values and producing a good show so, um Denim's does not speak for all streamers nor ever should that be a position she fails We've got plenty of streamers who will stop their stream when they feel they have to deal with life stuff Ever and this is what I mean when I say it's completely reasonable That people who watch this viewed it as a clout sharking bitter Don't try to justify the interpretation that you want She's just called herself completely reasonable Oh, I'm sorry. How did how did you get clout shark from him suggesting maybe end your stream if you need to eat food How's that? Okay Video telling streamers to end their stream Insanity when they need downtime And then saying yeah downtime means not streaming. Holy shit Now Downtime is not working. You're not working. You're having downtime. These are two different things You want a double dip? You want them both? I want to get money from you But I want to not do anything You want to be paid for not working And that that's not the way the world is nor should it be that way Just use an afk screen dude these people they find that like sacrilegious like how dare you suggest an afk screen. Fuck you Is not the most conducive method in convincing streamers or anyone for that matter that using no just you You and your weird set of people that have trouble with all of this Filler content without prior permission is wrong So for some reason jay decides to include a 10 minute section Where he just watches hasan's reaction to his video and critiques How he didn't like it and I don't know why he does why did he not like the fact that he wanted to do it Uh, jay said let's have a look at the reaction hasan served up As the example the point that we'll be making and then goes through the four main pieces of commentary Yeah, that concludes this shit Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure jay elaborated on why I know she Would thinks that it's just either spike driven or some nonsense like that, but I'm certain that jay gave a reason I think very easily if he was trying to prove a point that hasan didn't react hard enough Or that he was using it as filler content All he had to do was show a clip of hasan walking off the stream for four minutes And then coming back to this point too much He doesn't have the whole video inside of it He doesn't have the whole fucking video. What if you can guess the point I'm making here? She says too much our relevance says not enough It's like you can't win Here it is. Okay, is this it Oh, here we go. Thank you chatter I am here for investigative purposes. Okay. I'm a journalist. I'm a political journalist. All right I'm here for investigative purposes. All right. I need to make sure that the content stays untainted So don't tell me to react harder. You fucking wax Instead he does this and now because hasan is our primary example Let's take a look at the reaction He served up to some of my content and while we're doing it. Let's see how he compares to jinx 8800 blue lick road is a three bedroom house that you can go on a 3d virtual. This goes on for 11 minutes This goes on for 11 minutes Oh, no Turn off right now if you're interested in purchasing it and I think that there's two main problems with this A it detracts from the video a lot. It makes the video about his personal grievances with hasan instead of A video about the general state of react content on twitch and the second problem is just I think it's unnecessary It adds absolutely nothing to the video You don't think that your job is necessary. You don't think your job is necessary You think that you have a valueless job So I don't care what you have to say about whether his video has a purpose or not Get a life the opening of jay's video is all about there being a problem with react Styles and it started on youtube at one point got crushed and now it's building up on twitch. It's like the whole intro And then Use asan as an example you complete that section and jay gives him like a Almost scores the reaction and then he's like why is this bad and he explains why and then looks at counter arguments to that Like the video is very structured He can't tell though. You just know what that looks like Boring I didn't want to watch it and I was forced to watch it and it just ends up coming off As an unintentionally petty So what was jay's point in total hassan ended up not even spending two minutes talking as he let my 14 minute video play in full He's very clearly leaning on my video to entertain his audience for him in this situation This is the downtime He has no choice but to take because of his choice to stream for 13 hours a day jinks definitely did worse in the matter of Actually adding something to the content But neither of them have done well at all jinx the very least did shout out the original video and put a Link to it in his description. It's even right at the top of his description So you don't have to click show more to see it good stuff link to the original video is in the description If you just want to see some random It adds absolutely nothing to the video It's very boring. I didn't want to watch it and I was forced to watch it And it just ends up coming off as an unintentionally petty Jay's so chill. I just disagree. He's so chill. Jay's Now there is some genuinely good stuff in this video like really good stuff in this video But you have to get to the very end of it, which I did for you guys Like the while you watch the video. Thank you so much for watching a video for me to give me this Shit, this is just crapped out commentary on it. I like you so much I'll correct you Richard So glad that you did that for me a streamer can do is to show The content creator and the video title on screen and post the link in chat after watching it It really just isn't that much of a hassle to give credit where credit is due Especially when you're using it as entertainment for your stream. All right, cool. Yay That was a really nice short little section. Great now moving on to the depressing category Category two filler content Okay, so one of the more interesting distinctions made in this video is about the Comedy chasm between Jay and her. I know right. It's not fair They shouldn't even be attempting comedy. She's just putting in sound effects randomly. It's fun though It's fun This is like draining my life force. Why why did you why are we watching this? It's just no don't let it drain your life force. That's how she that's how she wins She convinces you that you need someone to click next on the video. No, no, you're you're right. Oh my god It all makes sense You start watching your stream She drains your life force with her fucking vapid denseness And then you're too tired to click away from her stream and you're like somebody change the video She's like, don't worry. I got you fam. That is interesting. She's both vapid and dense at the same time I know how does that possible? I think like the life force gets sucked in and just gets consumed and repelled out as a message of come here for sustenance and then it's never provided She is the energy vampire from uh, what we do in the shadows. We found her Additional react content and filler content Traditional react content aka content that's transformative or add something to the video because of the reactions versus filler content Aka content that streamers use when they need to take a break to use the bathroom or get food Now, why do I think that this is a worthwhile distinction? Because the complaint of this video is not simply React harder as so many people have made it out to be He literally did say react harder The complaint is more so react At all and I think it's incredibly fair for a content creator to not want their content kind of incredible that she said that You said it out loud. Yeah, a lot of them just never seem to address that they constantly run to react harder instead of react at all Is she complaining that jay is making more than one point in a video? He's definitely gonna try and explain how jay did everything wrong To be used as filler content and I think it gets to the heart of the problem This is something that all streamers or at least all big streamers do Eventually if you're going to be streaming for five six seven eight nine ten hours You're going to need downtime for most no not five hours. Certainly or even six. I'd say we're up to eight That's not even that's not even true at that point. You don't have to just use other people You can't you don't just get to steal shit because you want to keep making money while you're not working Why not though? Yeah, why not? Streamers that town time means a drop in viewership Streamers are disincentivized from leaving the stream for more than a few seconds without putting something you are disincentive from stealing why Fuck it. Why stop there? What about when you're sleeping at night? What what about then? Yeah, why don't you drop viewers at night when you're sleeping? Well, why why shouldn't I give me a principle give me any reason? Why I can't just have someone else's video play as filler in between when I'm in front of the webcam Why why stop there? Why stop at that? Why can't I do it while I'm sleeping? Give me a reason Well, right, that's Takes longer than half an hour, which is the cap Do you think that you can just steal people's shit to get paid while you're not working During the day, then what does it matter if the sun's up or down? Yeah, what if he rags takes like a really quick naps off an hour naps every hour Wakes up every half an hour. That was a good video guys. Here's the next one. Yep Going on to entertain chat. Does that mean it's okay to use filler content without people's permission? No That's not what I'm saying. No, okay. What I am saying is I think it's fucked up That streamers essentially steal content and use it as back Interesting Okay, don't want to entertain chat. However, however, I also recognize it's probably never going to stop Happening. Oh, it's going to stop honey. It's going to fucking stop Which get your shit together or we will sue your ass into oblivion And then it's going to be like youtube where you have to tiptoe around on broken glass Every time you do something like this and sister that is a world you are not fucking prepared for You are not ready for that. You don't know what it's like. You're not ready for that. It is a new world I just like the pretty much everyone in chat and us were just like when she says the part of like it is bad It's like But okay, like what what, you know, what's the follow-up the follow-up here was it's not stopping but oh The follow-up seems to be it's not going to stop until Twitch forces us to stop So i'm not going to stop because I don't give a fuck about moral morality or principles or anything If I require some external force some daddy to come in and tell me not to do something that I know is wrong And I just admitted it's fucked up She knows this wrong, but Yeah You know, but incentives though incentives Cracks down on it. I mean literally a month ago streamers were playing anime in their entirety That's fucked up until Someone got banned. So I guess my find hell's kitchen Bad to do I can tell you that is a bad thing to do. It's different to hell's kitchen because Hell's kitchen doesn't have the same copyright protections There you go because they don't give a fuck. Yeah, so it's about what can I get away with not what's right? Not what's moral not what's principled right pride in my work because you don't fucking know what that is So she's a child. It's what can I get away with? This is that toxic horrible attitude that it's like I was talking last week about the the beer commercial stuff And and yeah, it's the exact same thing It's this is the opposite mentality and it's going to come down like a ton of bricks And if it doesn't it'll be a miracle if for whatever reason these massive companies just allow twitch streamers to make twitch money By just streaming their content I'm shocked. It's gone on this long. I don't know never should have gotten this far. It's unreal that it did and I'll point Yeah, I don't know why I just think that if jade's video was structured a bit better And maybe some of these positives were put in the front of the video People might have been more convinced that there is a real problem And that the video isn't just a complaint about react harder But the only people who had a problem with this are crazy people. This is jade's video is a litmus test for reasonability Yes Because of the way it is structured. Yeah, that's exactly what happened Now when I cover other people's work like this, there are a few kinds of etiquette that I feel it's important to stick to basically Don't take the piss in a reaction video the reactor should still be adding stuff and creating content of their own Otherwise, what's the point of watching their reaction over the original? This is what she was talking about the distinction between filler and React content video the content that the reactor creates should be at least different enough from the original work That they have created something of their own Right at the beginning Do these people think that filler content as they call it is a commercial break No, no, no, it's it's almost like you're looking at it backwards She's saying that we have a piece of content and we can use it as filler or we can transform it That's what she's saying And obviously our issue with them is when they use it as filler, which is that they just put it on and they walk off or eat or whatever um That's what she means when she's refers to this filler content I just I'm baffled by the fact that jay like You know preloads the video with all the stuff she wants and she just doesn't fucking remember this So stupid I just think that if jay's video was structured a bit better and maybe some of these positives were put in the front of the video People might have been more convinced that there is a real problem and that the video isn't just a complaint about react harder I think jay makes this crucial mistake of trying to compare jinx a react youtuber to hasan a react streamer For those who haven't watched jay's video There's like 10 minutes dedicated to explaining the react meta on youtube many years ago And he uses the example of jinx and compares it to the modern twitch streamers That react to content today like hasan and I think it's a fundamentally flawed analogy I would like to try to argue that people who watch react content on twitch Are separate from the group of people that watch react content on youtube I'm arguing this based on two very except for the times are the same people Twitch chat versus youtube comments I know for a fact that my viewing pleasure of a stream is greatly increased by the quality and humor Of a live chat that I can read and participate in You can't listen to chat chat doesn't even know what the fuck they want And while yes, there are some really funny streamers on twitch. I'd argue some of these chats Might be equally as funny if not funnier than the streamer most of the time And I think other viewers would agree that having a live chat completely changes the viewing experience Usually for the better. There just simply isn't anything like this in a youtube react video What about live chat or premiere chat? Yeah, exactly Do you do you think she doesn't know how youtube works? Do you think she doesn't know about those? Because they're relatively new the thing we're doing right now. Yeah like Denims you can premiere videos and that gives them a live chat on youtube You idiot I can't possibly You made a video about this this could be edited This is the part you're supposed to cut out as you said because it's dumb You made a video a video video for this you did some light editing around what you normally do That's a good and then Like traced through her argument So If you're watching some content for the chat and not the streamer and the chat is the only transformative part of the content Why is the chat the chat's just getting ripped off basically they're doing all the work the streamer's doing nothing Yeah, the streamer still loses In this like morally so I don't even know how this is a defense It's not I guess you kind of have the comment sections But to be honest, I've only ever checked the comment sections if I really just like the video She doesn't know about live chats I guess like chat chat. She doesn't know you exist. So should we be shocked? She's she's just to the left of you on screen. She doesn't even know about you. You're like a secret And a live chat on the other hand actually adds some real value to a reaction real value This is unreal the fucking comment section in youtube is clearly less valuable than the live chat on twitch like what how did you figure this out? What what was the metric that you decided youtube comments suck and twitch chat is great I'm sure there's no bias here I could stream whereas I'd argue that a youtube comment section 99.99% of the time adds absolutely nothing to the original youtube react video and your twitch stream does She's genuinely wrong if you look at Like especially after a decent amount of time the top paragraph level comments underneath basically any video on youtube A lot of it will usually add to the topic or have a correction or an appreciation about what the video is done The idea That it adds nothing while twitch chat on the other hand. Oh twitch chat just the best Everyone knows twitch chat changes the whole video experience I absolutely value the comments on youtube videos. I will I will read them as I listen to the video I will click on a video and I will get what people are saying what they think about it If I mean I read our comments all the time. I want to see what people think about our stuff She's full of shit. She has no idea what she's talking about. She is full of shit She doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about. Okay, but boy, she confident about it I have a brilliant idea. We should open our own movie theater We don't pay the studios for any of the movies. We just steal them. We just make copies and steal them But the way we get around this is that when you buy a ticket to our theater You get a little code that you can punch into your phone And so when you watch the movie a giant annoying chat window appears right on the right side Of the giant movie screen and all the fucking people and the audience can type in all the dumb shit They want while the movie's playing. Oh, yeah, and then when we get sued we say but the chat Transforms the movie experience your honor. It's different The one thing you're missing is every once in a while a thing comes up big animation with fireworks that says, you know Like like Sniper ghost 333 has subscribed and then someone's voice just goes uh Sniper goes 333 Thank you Thank you so much there, no, in the middle of the tear jerking scene where like the main characters love interest is dying You hear the robot voice say oh well, oh well 111111 Hey, don't forget the little pepe faces bouncing around like Like oh, yes, we need that to gotta have those those are great You see and then you've transformed a bit. I could totally see a courtroom in like you've ruined the video. I guess Transforming right And again, I want to be clear I am also chat don't panic too much. We are 46 28 into a 53 56 video So it's almost over you get in there seven minutes ish No way saying that chat alone can make the content transformative I am only saying that chat can help push people to choosing to watch content on twitch Rather than watching the content by themselves. No, I want that shit on my screen. Go away She just argued accidentally for how this is bad. She just said like twitch chat We'll make it so that people will choose to watch the video through a streamer than on its own Yeah, so okay fine point you want to be make yeah, she's just added a point to our team Thank you for that one We'll pop that in our hospital Thanks, I'm glad you put your nice dress on to make a point for us. That's really kind of you Presentation there is very good Moving on to point number two react streamers acting as curators. This is not a point Go ahead one thing that you do when you edit videos She doesn't know this because she doesn't know anything about YouTube But if you're going to type out in text factor number two then don't say point number two Yeah, you want your your words in the text to match somewhat You know, it's generally generally something but I'm not a twitch streamer. So maybe they do it different I was gonna say would you know weirdo? Yeah, you just do YouTube. You don't know anything. Essentially. I want to argue That viewers are actively choosing to watch content on twitch instead of YouTube for a variety of reasons I for one know that the YouTube algorithm has a terrible habit of not showing you stuff outside of your usual viewing habit I must get really annoying The way that her right she's got those big-ass fake eyebrows, right? The way that the right one Her right It's the bottom of her hair all the time. Yeah, you see like it really bug because I've got long hair I know it's it can be very annoying to have long hair sometimes But with those brows con every time you it's rubbing against your own hair right now You have to feel that you know, it's happening. You mean eyelashes, right my brows Yeah, yeah eyelashes my bad my bad her eyebrows are legit totally But her eyelashes the one they're the ones going up and down, right? That's got to be annoying and she she suffers through it for us to look very lovely and But man, I'm just like gosh if that was happening to me I just rip the damn things off like get out of my life. I don't need you Natural eyelashes whenever you stop maybe blinking a couple times per second. You don't want to lift off You know you want to you want to that's true You don't want to generate lifts and accidentally float away and appear as Hassan might appear with an empty chair Maybe that's why her bed is constantly unmade she makes it here But she ends up lifting off and flying back so much and landing on the bed that it gets messed up That's gotta be it just the sheer wind force from her eye with lashes. Just knock all the sheets off. Yeah, the cat gets blown around I can't count the number of times that content creators I found through twitch I would have never found through YouTube because it's so drastically different from the content that I habitually consume on YouTube Or how about when you're scrolling It's so interesting that she's so sure of that when she couldn't possibly know Yeah, it's like all right you you said it and she said that like recommended will only really give you stuff You're interested in ever things like outside of that. That's new. It's like. Sorry. That's not true Recommended sometimes throw stuff in there where I'm like, what is that? It's like just a video that's getting around Everybody's recommended somehow to hit the algorithm that sort of shit. This is all so irrelevant. Oh All you had to do was give Jay some fucking credit Not be an asshole about it when Jay called him out on it. I were only two thirds into the fucking River the third one's the worst one link through your YouTube homepage and literally wait wait wait oh No, no, you mean the third video for next week. Yeah, this was two parts of one video. My heart just dropped No You got a whole week to recharge save for you chat. Don't worry. I'm streaming for 12 hours tomorrow. I have to know Nothing looks interesting or you're feeling too lazy to keep looking for something that does look interesting Or when you just want like a 10 minute video So you can have something while you're eating but instead YouTube is literally only recommending you three hour videos about why Rebecca sugar is a fascist But that's wrong. That's not what YouTube's doing. It's just insane Like what YouTube's doing you're lying all of us here have used this fucking site for so long that her being like Oh man, you know when you go to like all or home or recommended and every video is three hours long about Rebecca sugar You're like, what do you know? That's not no that is not indicative of reality. You are lying that is not true This is why I went to it was like no and then she was like, okay being unreasonable I pretty much exclusively only watch YouTube stuff through Recommendeds it's very rare that I go to something specifically just because my recommendations are numerous and it I mean I know myself pretty well. I guess it's kind of what I Recommended is usually pretty good It's pretty darn good Curator horse shit just doesn't match up because YouTube already has a system for that and it's literally algorithmically proven to try and get you what you want Do you know what solves all of those problems for viewers a good? Twitch stream that doesn't even make sense. What if you watch a desperate to give herself value? Oh, I know right look at let's just pretend for a second. I'm just doing my stream I'm like guys. We're gonna we're gonna fucking steal some videos today. I'm interested in Simpsons We're gonna watch Simpsons breakdown someone in chat's like I fucking don't care about Simpsons. I'm out It's like, oh whoops me as a curator. I've not I've not done a good job there. Have I Adams I fucked up Well, and also like in the the olden days, okay the pre-internet days If you curated a bunch of different acts, you know for content you would pay those people Money from the money you would make as the curator. No, this is just fucking stealing No It's basically I'm choosing what to put in my museum come to my museum and pay me Pretty much. Yes And I want to be clear I'm not saying that this adds value to the content at all I am only arguing that these are reasons why people actively choose to go to twitch dude I could make a whole list of reasons why people do this doesn't change the fact that it's bullshit. Yes Over YouTube and I want to illustrate that by pointing out something very important viewers are Incredibly lazy and yes, that means you whichever stream has a chat that is currently watching this. Yes, you know Hey, you've out chat. How you doing? She's calling you out It's such a weird comment to make chats are lazy. It's like, oh I don't know. I don't know what she's saying No one is free from sin Companies will literally dump thousands of dollars if not millions of dollars to make their platforms as User-friendly as possible. Yes, you know what Twitter only dropped thousands of dollars on this one Why would you say of course they spend millions of dollars? Making it as user-friendly as possible. Does she mean as intuitive and smooth and fast? Well, sorry, I mean you guys will and try very hard to make that you UI as It's not to account for laziness. It's just to give you the quickest and easiest and most efficient experience Well, it's not really about laziness It's it's much more so about people's capacity to understand the functionality of their platform I remember there was a bit in Silicon Valley that was talking about this where they tested their program with developers and all the developers Fucking loved it But of course they did because developers are familiar with the technology But then when it was introduced to regular people that had no idea how to use it. Yeah And that was just a point they made in that show It's like, yeah, you need to think about who you're yeah You need to think about who's gonna be using this platform and you need to make it as easy for them as possible If someone needs to be read or corrected three different times just to subscribe to a streamer The chance of them subscribing drops drastically if you want someone to do something Unfortunately, the reality is the more steps you force them to take the less likely they are to do it What the fuck are we doing right now? So what the fuck does this have to do with twitch versus YouTube? That's a great. Thank you. Yeah, thank you If someone primarily watches content on YouTube, there are less steps for them to take to watch your specific content on YouTube They've already overcome the first hurdle, which is making their way to YouTube calm Whereas someone who watches content Jesus Christ, man making their way to YouTube calm the big first step You're like, are we babies? What the hell is this? Primarily on twitch is way less likely to have gone to YouTube and looked for your content to watch Let's say in a hypothetical where a streamer uploads their reaction to let's say a prank video and their reaction adds a total of 30 seconds to the runtime now a random YouTube user looks up epic prank video and what do they see they see two videos The first is Ex-QC reacts to epic prank and the second is the original video epic prank The unfortunate reality is that if the viewer likes ex-QC even a little bit They're always going to click on the reaction video and what I always that that's actually a breeze That's a big claim to make they will always even if they like him a little bit But if we can be clear here, first of all, I don't agree with it. Secondly, this helps us a lot Yeah, it does because I highlights the problem Which is that people don't get traction from this what you do because they never get the traction because I'd rather watch Ex-QC react to it. Well, yeah, just saying like new Kenobi trailer. Do I want to watch that or watch ex-QC reacts like fuck ex-QC I want the trailer It's just making arguments why these fuckers shouldn't be doing what they're doing What does this even have to do with Jay's video though? Well, I was gonna find out so I can't remember this anymore I don't know what to say the original video and that to me feels like really true Stolen viewership in the example. I'm highlighting this user has already overcome two major hurdles and finding your content They're already on the website. You create content YouTube and they're already looking at content that you may Ah, so the point will be that on Twitch They're not doing either of those things. So it's fine. It's okay to steal on Twitch as long as it's from a different platform Yeah It's okay for me to watch it because it is less likely that they would have found it organically. Is that the point? Yep, so I can artificially steal it. It's got it's nothing to do the action itself For them. It's about transforming the content. That's it Yeah, but like that's all that they were doing the act of them being incredibly fucking lazy isn't relevant to them It's like no I need to know that consequently that I hurt somebody unless I did if you can if I can prove that I didn't at all Then my actions are totally fine. It's like again comes back to the hold. You have no pride You have no shame. You just at all none of that's ticking in there. I guess Literally stealing shit, but it's like yeah But if if we had those two universes running where she reacts to Jay's content and Jay's views go up by like one because of that And then it would have gone up by zero because of it had she never reacted. She's like well, therefore I've done a good It's like if you left the stream the whole time, I don't care if Jay got a billion views you fucking suck Whereas I'd argue that the people watching react content on Twitch might not actually be your target audience And we're probably unlikely to be looking for your content on YouTube I would try like it's not like we're exhausting the amount of humans who are coming into the Potential audience, you know, it's not like oh you've exhausted everyone on YouTube But twitch is a market that you would never hit anyway, so we're gonna take it. Don't worry Well, and also the only like if people on twitch couldn't do this Then maybe they fucking would be going over to YouTube and looking for these things to watch Instead of watching some talentless hacks sit in the corner of a screen and add nothing of value Yeah, man, if they had to add content like coverage and stuff Instead of just letting things play and some viewers might just be like I actually preferred it when it was just videos I should just watch the videos and Lightly compare it to hot tub streamers and the rage against them There is a misconception that hot tub streamers are stealing viewership from other streamers when the reality is those are probably Two separate market segments all together the people watching fucking I have nothing to say about that I have not looked into the metrics for hot tub streamers versus regular streamers. I don't care I that is another world that I'm not part of and don't care to be a part of react content Twitch are probably not the same category of people who are going to actively look for your specific content on Plus this isn't your decision to make she has no idea She's already admitted. This is a might not necessarily all these words to me. I have no idea Remember in the safety of this vague Possibility when Jay said I have no idea for sure. She disagreed but now in this video She's saying I don't know. It's like God. You can't keep it all straight. It's just it's all tangled And in case I didn't say it enough that doesn't mean streamers doing this is okay or ethical Why are you bothering with any of this? Legal at all I am simply stating what I believe to be the truth about people who go to watch twitch streams react and Nothing though Nothing has nothing to do with the principles or the legality or anything Mm-hmm. I Guess my final notes I wish the video was just structured a little bit better because the good points of the video are completely Overshadowed by the bad You didn't even say that there were bad points really all that you said is it was spiked driven and repetitive Yeah, well Jay made the same points over and over again So that That's repetitive and boring and then spite driven because Jay said the son was being an ableist No, this is just maybe some me personally I really don't like when You see someone on stream or you see a video and they act like one way like in their video She knows she's all calm and proper and let me I'm just explaining it to you But then when she's on stream, she's like fuck this guy. He's guys of Maron. He's an idiot like completely 180 personality wise Well, I would I would argue we had three different versions of her The stream the conversation with Jay and this video Yeah, well this video her tone is the same in her conversation I think this one's a bit different She holds herself as peacefully as she did in a conversation with Jay But she's almost as filled with venom as she was in the live version. Yeah, that's absolutely a snake A lot of toxic feminine in here. Oh, yeah Actually is in my humble opinion not to mention that the lack of separation between personal grievances about Hassan and General comments about react streamers on twitch as something you projected into the video Jay made sure to use Hassan as an example of a problem in twitch The whole makes the video really hard to watch I am the least biased person because I am both a react streamer on twitch and someone who makes pre-prepared content on YouTube Ah Can you believe she just said that she's the least biased least biased So weird because Bring a streams on twitch and he makes content that's reactions on YouTube and he makes prepared YouTube content Bring you by her metrics. You're the least biased, too. Do you agree with her least biased? But didn't remember she said that I would have been because I was one of the people in Jay's video Who agreed with him? Oh, right? You don't count your Jay friend, right? Yeah, right, and I mean, of course, they might be there's no bias from Denim somebody who does the thing that Jay was criticizing in the video and someone who is desperately trying to get Hassan's attention We're so close to the end. I see the light at the time. Get me out of here. Get me out of here, please Remember she is the least biased, okay? There's no reason why she would have any bias in relation to all of No, investment in legitimizing this form of content I'm biased I think personally that the coverage has been Objective there and insightful You can see her mouth moving a lot, but she's just chewing so don't worry I Know bias Next time. Can you please just end the stream? Can you please just end the stream? I am the least biased person because I am both a reaction around which and someone who makes me prepare content on YouTube Thank you for your time. I hope you had a great day Watching this and I hope I made some points. Some people agreed with thank yous agent You didn't point to you agreed with it's time But comments, okay Uh, we're here we're at comment showcase kappa. Oh Hello, what does YouTube have to say fist you got old Jay? I would suggest we talk about this again denims or not You seem pretty locked in on all of this so it might be entirely pointless ultimately considering your position beforehand I suppose you are saying there are good points in the video, but you just don't like bits of it is a relatively good result Jay still being too nice Yep, what else we got because of course, this is gonna be a nice little selection of comments Who wants to take this you are someone who spends more than two seconds writing a YouTube comment about why you dislike someone or something? So much I do not value or respect your opinion I've been hypocritical saying that in a 24-minute video about how much you dislike this video Yeah, that's what we concluded. That's an accurate observation The disability point I think is on Hassan he should have explained his point better So there's no ambiguous ambiguity as to what he was trying to communicate But of course it's Hassan and he doesn't explain himself and of course he gets a pass on everything He says because it's Hassan Mm-hmm Yeah, a lot of defense for him be the case and just adding to things he didn't say as shit All right Complaining that no streamer would ever end stream instead of grab filler content is Insanity basically what you are proposing is that instead of ending the stream? You should instead break the law by infringing on someone else's content. Yes, lots of people do it No, that does not make it okay And yes, it is illegal to simply watch someone's video if you do not make any commentary or transformative editions Yes, this can be a difficult problem for streamers to solve but that doesn't mean you should break the law to deal with it Would you tell a worker on break to just steal a candy bar from the store if they're hungry on their break? Yes, I'm will aware of a copyright infringement is not theft Yeah, but I'm trying to appeal to principles rather than the example here. Well, it is theft Pretty much trying to go under the the super uber deep technicality. Oh, I haven't stolen a thing I don't have a thing like if I download a movie illegally. I haven't deprived someone of that that thing It's I've just made an extra copy. I I'm not taking I'm making Hey guys, let's start a worldwide search because I think she lost a sense of humor when she thinks Jay saying and the stream is not a joke I think it's both. I think Jay in that portion of the video is so like almost Frustrated to explain all these options you have as a streamer Fucking end the stream. Jesus like if it's that hard for you, but simultaneously you can end the stream You know like that is a series is also suggestion like don't be a fucking idiot. You're like, I can't end it I can't end it. I'll lose viewers What do we have next? Hey guys, let's start. Oh, it's gone. No, that was the previous one. This is the next one He spends he spends two hours on the ten minute video if I've audience loss Nice Knows me. Well, they know us. Well Holy shit. This is embarrassing This is your comment sector for the video This is a bafflingly diss you go ahead bring me I want to hear your impression of Yoni bligh This is a bafflingly disingenuous argument that cuts out a good bit of the footage that counteracts the majority of the criticisms You make the amount of explicitly bad faith takes you make while trying to claim their video as bad faith and quote-unquote spite-driven is insanely self oblivious, especially Because you explicitly ignore the things that ruin your own arguments like wow Don't say they're wrong. Wow Even though we can't see the dislikes you still can The evil man Evil man Let's see. What's that name pretty wins? Wins me wing wins my wing pretty wins Malin Thank you for making this video You articulated when I was thinking the bad faith spite in their video was hard to get through Hassan is obviously no saint and while I've enjoyed his new content. I his news content I was open to other perspective There's a spectrum of video essays and that was far from H bomber guy levels There's nuance and a gradient to transformative content. It's very subjective, but hopefully more productive general discussions come from it in future TLDR good job denims impressed you informed while remaining fairly fuck off No, there may be a reason I have chopped out a portion of this comment This is about to be filled in and anybody who's familiar with YouTube knows what's about to turn up Why Their pin comment only has 16 up votes I know The only one she pinned is the positive one Which I think really is a great little ending What an adventure Matt is the saga She called this Hassan piker JXC and react content a Case study in perception Hey, she called this a case study in perception She did maybe this is a say off Okay, like if you actually like that video they put you on a list and they watch you make sure you're not gonna become like a Dangerous threat at some point in the future. Oh God that was a long Yeah Yes, that that is absolutely worse than our relevance absolutely. Yes, no competition at that point I think but I mean I already knew that but but yes, this is this is so much worse She's an awful streamer she's also an awful like I don't even know creative thinker She that was a horrifically bad impression She's lucky that it was Jay that she was against quote-unquote because Jay is so friendly That she didn't get caught up in all the bullshit that she was doing Unfortunately for her. I was just curiously dropping in on all of this. I was like, wow You're a bad piss And it's hard not to say that with all the lies and the Just the bad faith Crazy butchering of someone else's work when all Jay's goal was Was to get some get some credit We're it's due. That's it. Jay's like don't steal stuff. They're like, no, we shall you fool You will not stop. You're the evil one. You're the clown chaser Yeah, nightmares to go through imagine I was like to piece that shit together I know And yeah, I would say I would I would give you credit for this her herculean task But unfortunately, I think you just inflicted this pain on all of us. So I don't think you get credit Okay, it balances out. I suppose I feel a little bit like we we climbed about it, but glad it's done Though I will say that that's just two of three completed we are because last but least It can't be worse. I don't believe you. Well, I mean, well, it's not a spoiler to say the third person is a son piker It can't be worse can't be worse can't be worse But hey, it will be worse Okay, her son will be worse because he's like a piece of shit and a moron, but I don't think I'll die watching it Well, you didn't die watching this one. You don't know that you can't prove this could be the afterlife You're a ghost now. I'm stuck in a hell now. This is my hell is watching fucking denim video forever Just came with you for some reason Listen hell is a very sophisticated place. Okay, I have oddly good Wi-Fi down. They do they don't It's not don't hit chat. I mean you guys got a week to recharge like I said And then my soul died. Yeah. Oh god another one Hell's got amazing Wi-Fi. Hey, I've completed the Hassan supercut already. There's no way I'm letting that go to waste, okay You shall suffer with me. It is funny though. So you watch the irrelevant when you're like fuck me. That's that's awful It's like the Denim's one. That's that's awful. I Think I Don't know there's something just simpler about the the irrelevant one, you know, like it's uh, it's a little less sinister At least it doesn't come across nearly as sinister to me much more quaint Yeah, especially when he's getting so mad and yelling. It's like I feel like this is just the immediate gut reaction Whereas here you you have the conversation where you backpedal on everything That you said in the stream and then you seem to make a video that is very much predicated on well look I mean it's clout It's it's all it's it's bad faith. You know, it's it's such a spike driven and an obvious skates and it's repetitive And it's pretty deranged. Yeah, she she does what I considered to be a triple dip She Uses Jay as fodder to rip into for a stream And she benefits from the perception that she's actually super reasonable and her and Jay are on great terms on chud logic stream And then she goes and makes a video to try and rip into Jay again to I guess defend the original position to some degree While hoping that it doesn't get compared to that conversation she had with Jay Just wow Just wow just wow Wow That's something else. That's something else to hear all of that in one when one's sitting, you know Hmm, literally, but to hear all of that Just this this Anyone can be a streamer It is confirmed once again Anyone can be a streamer Just gotta believe in yourself And you All of you can be a streamer. It's that easy Yeah, I'm pretty much wiped out. I'm assuming that the you three are similar We're uh, yeah, yeah, we're definitely I think I think my brain needs a rest not necessarily like my body But my brain certainly needs to just think about nothing for a while and reset My soul needs a rest after this rags. My soul is very being filled with the spirit of engines Well, you can't in stream play some videos. No Let's let's let's go to Jay and just play some episodes. Let's get some bar rescue up in here and just let it play We will do a super chest for this stream on the coming Wednesday the reason that was interrupted this week as it as it came was Specifically this this denim supercut got all fucked and I was desperately trying to get it ready before the EFAP happened I didn't want to do this because the Sun is the main event. Okay, you have no idea And I was like Denim's gotta come first. So that eventually was able to fix it by splitting it So we just cut into a lot of my availability, but we will definitely Hopefully I don't promise anything because you know fucking goes Wednesday We will go through all the super chests that have come in tonight But for now, I think that we are all gonna do our respective human requirement things I am actually choosing to end the stream. Can you fucking believe it? But we'll die Don't do the smaller. I like I want to read I don't want to die time for us all to die. That's it. I've got so much to live for I'm I'm young and restless and I need to flourish and I disagree after the Denim's video I want to die. No Well, you can injure stream but not mine. I'm gonna go forever But yeah, thank you to dev for joining us for good, I think it was five and a half hours that trooper Wow impressive. Yeah, what a trooper. Hey, what a chat. Hey, that's the we're trooper plus All right, we're super troopers Okay, we made it through the you know, it's not even about the time It's just that we made it through that the Denim's videos. Yeah, those were You I've aged many years Though up well, yeah, but thank you very much for hanging out with us for the time stitch I love the fact that you're like, yeah, let's take on the third boss next week If you you know you you dev at Adam are all invited. It's time to end the arc Okay, it's gonna stop Adam's not gonna be here. I don't you keep you're asking and you're barking up the wrong tree I Are you sure you wouldn't want to do one on son? Working up the wrong tree is it is fun though I told you Adam has taken a vow of celibacy until he finishes the comic. When is he gonna finish the comic? That's a great question and people are asking that question Well Adam hates efap confirmed. Yeah, that's true. That is true. He does You have to get the All of you're gonna have to tell him on the stream. I was not as class So they do tomorrow you're gonna have to tell adam to agree to go on efap. The peer pressure is the only way Remember chat if chat tell you to do something you got to do it So yeah, it works. Um, are we gonna watch the fight club video next week? Oh on the sunday maybe I was like I can't stream two days in a row say Uh, well, it's because I sometimes clash because I got catch up with the drinker for open bars sometimes on sunday So I'll have to make sure that I don't clash with you And of course, I'm assuming you want to grab a time when these two idiots are free as well when you three I'm free off sunday Watch the fight the maggie may fish fight club video Well, I'm I can uh, we need to watch fight club first. I need to re familiarize myself with the movie. I haven't seen it in years Well, we gotta have a we have a watch party and since there's four of us. That's basically transformative right there We could even stream it There you go, put the chat up. We'll meet ourselves Put the chat up every once in a while stay true And uh, try not to die. It'll be great Well, I would say that um With with the talk we just had a little bit about that show everyone should go subscribe to it Adam and sit show, right? That's what's called The sit I know you're saying this to trigger me this sitch and adam show. That's not alphabetical Yes, that's all fucked up. Why'd you name it that the superior host's name comes first And then the sidekick's name comes second, you know batman and rob Simon and garfunkel Simon and garfunkel. There you go It's garfunkel got garfunkeld. He did Tomorrow we'll be covering highly requested bio chat for the john oliver Critical race moral and hardy video. Oh, we have a meme here. What does it say? She fucking lied to you jay. I have the receipts We shall Use them to destroy To destroy her. Oh, oh, I don't know about doing that She's someone draw that in this Yeah, uh black and then I'm on the other shoulder as a little angel and I'm like, yeah fucking do it That would have been a great addition to this Our demon on Mahler's shoulder like I have a demon on my shoulder too. Just telling me to be evil It just keeps going Uh, but yeah, uh Go watch that stream tomorrow. When does that start when you guys do it 4 p.m. Eastern? What's that in human time? 4 p.m. East How about the only times of how many hours past today's start time for the stream is it It's gonna be kind of uh, it would it would be when do you guys start you start at two or three today? I get started at your your time zone Daily, oh it's almost at 9 p.m. BST Two hours after we usually start this this this bull bill bull. We're gonna have, um, joe louis That's where we start this bull Joe louis. Who is that? Is that a nazi? He's a uh a breadtuber. Oh, no leftist So he's gonna critique the video with us and I assume it's gonna be lots of arguing Well, you know what? We got a guest next week probably coming on kind of was the made the rounds He called an asian guy white presenting recently on twitch Okay, you see the club And he's like, what do you know you're white presenting and everyone's like he's asian. What are you talking about white present white presenting This means saturday. Oh it feels too cloud-wieldy doesn't it? But yes, that that'll be great and everyone's check it out links in the scrapsians Uh, is there anything you would like to say fringo and rugo? I'm tired of all this My head's tired and I'm worn out I'm gonna go shower and then probably take a nap Very well Thank you all so much for helping us through this. That was tough. Thank you. Yes I'm sorry. I inflicted it upon you I guess But we learned so much about how shit twitch streaming is and how much it needs to be fixed And next week that will be compounded quite significantly Uh Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much for the donations and I hope you have a wonderful night We shall see you on wednesday Good night. Everybody. Goodbye. Good night. See you later Bye. Toodaloo. See ya. Ciao